1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 2: It was magical. 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 3: It was better than the Scooby Doo van because this thing, 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 3: you know, it. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: Had that sliding door and the back. 6 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: You know, on those vans they would have like those 7 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: back too, like bubble windows kind of towards the way back. 8 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: Ours were not circular. They were star shaped. 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 4: I'm buzznight and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 4: and get ready to meet the mastermind behind some of 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 4: the most electrifying music television moments. 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Her name is Katie Daryl. 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 4: Spent a lot of time working for Access TV, the 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 4: driving force behind some unforgettable interviews with rock legends. 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: And cultural icons. 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 4: And we're going to talk to Katie and get some 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 4: behind the scenes stories. 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: Next on taking a Walk. Taking a Walk? Well, Hi Katie, 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: it's nice to have you on Taking a Walk. 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me. I was thrilled to 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: be invited. 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: So, you know, we do ask this question at the beginning, 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: since we call this thing taken a walk, and it 24 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 4: would be nice if we were taking a walk in 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 4: your favorite La neighborhood, for sure, but we're not doing that. 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 4: So for the magic of technology, we're taking a walk 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: in this virtual way. But if you could take a 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you take 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: a walk with them? Where would you take that walk 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: with him? 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: Oh, Marilyn Monroe. Somewhere near the Chateau Marmont. You know, 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: here's the thing. I grew up fascinated, obsessed, infatuated, if 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: you will, with Meril Monroe. I first and foremost just 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: thought she was as beautiful as they came. 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: I loved I loved the movie some like it hot. 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: Not only was she adorable, but like it was hilarious. 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: So I, you know, as a young girl growing up 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: in Phoenix, Arizona, I just she epitomized would and glamour 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: and femininity and humor. And so I really did a 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: deep dive as a little girl with you know, collectibles 41 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: and posters and memorabilia and going into Spencers and not 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: only just seeing the posters for ac DC and Nirvana, 43 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: but then being like, ooh, I could buy this poster 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: that has Meril Monroe with Coco Chanel. So yeah, I 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: think that she has a fascinating story and history. And 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: I think to walk somewhere over there in that sunset 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: boulevard area Chateau Marmont, where there's still the historic infrastructure 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: would be a pretty interesting hour to spend, if you will. 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 4: I guess it would be, for sure, isn't that though? 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: Don't you get spoiled living where you do that? There's 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 4: just so many historic places that you know, you know, 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 4: there's some presence of some of these folks from the 53 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: past that are there. 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: Of course, the ghests to the past. I love that, 55 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 3: you know, and I think that's what makes it really exciting. 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 3: But absolutely, you can take it for granted. And there 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: was a long period of my adult life living in 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: Los Angeles where I absolutely did take it for granted. 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: But I now have a ten year old son, right 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: and he's at the stage where the other weekend, I 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 3: literally brought him down into Hollywood by myself, like I 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: don't know what my husband was doing, but I was like, 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to take him. And we went 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: down to the record parlor in Hollywood and it's this 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: tiny little record shop and we kind of flipped through 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: the vinyls and smelt. I mean, the record parlor is 67 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: a lot different than Amba records. If you've been in 68 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: either of these, I mean the record parlor, it's wood, 69 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: it's dank, it's damp. 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: It's vintage. 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: It's like opening up that box of crans and you 72 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: get that smell of like the cardboard. 73 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Right. 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: So I brought him in and I was like, we 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: were just flipping through records. And then we walked down 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: you know, Hollywood Boulevard and we saw Frank's Natras star, 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: we saw Mariah Carey star. I was able to point, 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: you know, that's the Capitol Record Building. You know, that's 79 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: the house that Nat King, you know, Coal built, It's 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: the house that Nat built. And there's a bunker down 81 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: there and Les Paul and then okay, and there's the 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: pantages and you know this is where they held the 83 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: Emmys like in the. 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: Sixties and seventies. 85 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: And so I've been able to get excited about Hollywood 86 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: and all the sites and sounds again because I'm dragging. 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: A ten year old with me, and dragging is probably 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: the key word. 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: I don't know about that now. 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: He's probably thinking, all right, maybe I'd rather be doing 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: some other things, but mom's pretty cool, so let's go 92 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: for a walk and check some stuff out. 93 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: I will admit we did stop every once in a 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: while and I let him use my phone to scroll 95 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: for some poke balls and catch some Pokemon along the 96 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: way as well, so I still kept it fresh for him. 97 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: Of course. Of course. 98 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: Well you started at a very young age and broadcasting. 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: I believe you were fifteen years old when you started. 100 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: But before that period, what was the first moment you 101 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: knew you had some connection with music? 102 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's a great question. So growing up it wasn't. 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't in an overly musical family, right, but there 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: were core songs and albums and music moments that happened 105 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: in my family. And this is going to be a 106 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: surprising one, right. I remember we had this van, a 107 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 3: family van. Okay, nowadays I don't even know if we're 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: allowed to say it, but nowadays people would say see 109 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: it and say, oh, that's like a rape van. 110 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: Right, it's a creepy van. 111 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: But it was the eighties, right, So now you understand 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: what the family van looked like and this van, I'm 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: going to take a moment to describe it, because you 114 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: it was magical. 115 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: It was. 116 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: It was better than the Scooby Doo van because this thing, 117 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: you know, it had that sliding door and the back 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: you know on those vans they would have like those 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: back to like bubble windows kind of towards the way back. 120 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: Ours were not circular, they were star shaped. So there 121 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: are these star shaped windows in the back of the van. 122 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: Right. 123 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: The interior was shag gray carpet floor to ceiling. 124 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: The back was. 125 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: Like this bed that can be converted into a bench. 126 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: No seat belts, mind you. And the front were the 127 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 3: two captain chairs. Now in the front above the driver's seat, 128 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: you know, it had the steering wheel and it had 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: its regular hord, but above the driver's seat there was 130 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: a button and you pressed it and it was a 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: different horn. 132 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: It would go oha oha. 133 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: The van was glitter purple, and it had an eight track, 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: and my parents had just this box, a milk crate 135 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: if you will, of some eight tracks. I know Sergeant 136 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: Pepper's was one of them, so I really remember the beatles, 137 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: you know, running through those speakers. 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: But they also had a eight track Donna Summer bag Girl, 139 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: back Girl. 140 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: And I was no more than three years old, and 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 3: I would prance around this van because I'm a munchkin 142 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: at that time and can walk, and there's nothing there, right, 143 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: just walking in this van, driving through the neighborhood singing 144 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: bag girls, and I loved it, and I loved done 145 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: a summer and then obviously, you know, inside the house 146 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: my parents, I remember, you know, hearing Tracy Chapman, I 147 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: remember hearing the Rolling Stones start me up as really 148 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: a vivid memory from the record player and Paul Simon 149 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: the Graceland album. Those were, you know, things that really 150 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: struck me in my early childhood before I got into 151 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: working at a classic rock radio station. 152 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: So you though, were interested in radio and television in 153 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: your career, what really pointed you directly to one path 154 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: or the other? 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: Sure? 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: So when I started working at a radio station, it 157 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: was like this kid's radio station before they even had 158 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: like a radio disney, if you will. And I got 159 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: to learn like how to run the board and just 160 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: the magic of radio and doing like the weather cut 161 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: ins and things like that. And then I started working 162 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: for the sister radio station, which was an FM station, 163 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: and I got to do the eight till midnight shift 164 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: on a Saturday night because no one but like a 165 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen year old really wanted to do that shift, right, 166 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: because that's when you go out and have fun. And 167 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: I got to know classic rock, and I always then thought, 168 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: and then this is the heyday of Howard Stern. So 169 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: I thought, you know what shock jock radio music. I 170 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: think I want to, you know, do be a DJ. 171 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: I didn't think. I've told this story a million times before. 172 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it to beg for compliments or anything, 173 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: but I didn't think I was pretty enough to be 174 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: on television. I now know, first off, it doesn't matter 175 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: what you look like. You could be as ugly as 176 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: sin or as beautiful as whatever. Like that's not what 177 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: it's about. Being on television is different in talent and 178 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: followers and stuff these days. 179 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: But you know, I was, you know. 180 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: Sixteen and just didn't know. And I just thought, well, 181 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: I can't be on TV, so I'm gonna, you know, 182 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: stick with radio. And so my transition to television was 183 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: kind of accidental. Back in the day, it was the 184 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: MTV Chooser Lose Rock the vote presidential election of two 185 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: thousand fear recall, back then, back in the olden days, 186 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: who do we have? We had Al Gore, we had 187 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: McCain and the Straight Talk Express, and we had Bush right. 188 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: And I sent in an audition tape to MTV like 189 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: on a VHS and eventually got hired to be a 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: political correspondent and tore around on the Straight Talk Express 191 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: with Senator John McCain, and so all of a sudden. 192 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: I realized, Hey, I can be on television. Look at me. 193 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Where did you get instilled this? 194 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know this fearless approach to your 195 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 4: career and to your life. 196 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: That's a compliment, thank you, And I wish I almost 197 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: still had it. 198 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: Like it's interesting because as you. 199 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: Get older, I feel like you maybe take less chances 200 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: and there's a lot more fear. So I sometimes I 201 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: miss that spunk that I had, But I don't know 202 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: I was. You know, I I don't know where that 203 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: boldness came from. I mean I certainly I had a 204 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: great family and great parents, and so they were always 205 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: the you know, you can be whatever you want to be, 206 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: but there are also you could be whatever you want 207 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: to be, but like, let's be. 208 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: Sensible about it. 209 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: So it's not like they were always like big dreamers 210 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: of like, you know, grab a star, sweetheart. They were like, well, 211 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: grab a star that pays well and has benefits. 212 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: So but to yeah, that. 213 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: Weird omph to be like I'm going to send in 214 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: a VHS tape to MTV, or I'm going to cold 215 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: call the executive producer of the Mark Cuban Show and 216 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: see if I could co host a basketball show with 217 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: Mark Cuban. Why, Like, I would do stuff like that, 218 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: and so I think I maybe didn't know any better. 219 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: And you know, it was the loveliness of growing up 220 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: in a day of not like oversaturated of social media 221 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: as well, that you could cold call people and find opportunities. 222 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, there were different ways to reach people, for sure, 223 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: but still embedded in your thinking was the fact that, oh, 224 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: what the heck, I'm just going to do this because 225 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: I believe in it, and I believe in myself. I 226 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: could tell that right away, and that is a rare 227 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 4: trait and I believe it has served you well. So 228 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: go back to cold calling to pitch show ideas into 229 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: Mark Cuban and his organization. 230 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. 231 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: So you know, after working at MTV, I went to Dallas. 232 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: You know, so I was I was at MTV because 233 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: it was the presidential election that only lasts a year, 234 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: right folks, So like, you got to find another job. 235 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: So the next job I decided to find was well, 236 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: my old radio partners, who I had been doing in Phoenix, 237 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: so I was going to college. I was a morning 238 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: show producer for like a top forty station, and those 239 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: guys moved to Dallas and started doing shock jock radio. 240 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: It was the height. It was early, you know, two thousands. 241 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: FM talk was the rage. They didn't play music, it 242 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: was just talk all day. The talk that rocks, I believe, 243 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: was the motto at the radio station. Howard Stern was 244 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: on in the morning, and then these guys Ron and 245 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: Don they would come on from ten till two, and 246 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: they needed a female, and so I reached out to 247 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: them and they were like, yeah, come along, You'll be 248 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: the chicken charge. And I got to come on and 249 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: produce the show, but also be on air doing. 250 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: Shock jockey stuff. 251 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: You know, Hooters catered and would bring food every day, 252 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: things like that, broadcasting from strip bars on a Friday. 253 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: Look, ma are you proud of me? 254 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: Now? 255 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 3: And as most things in the FM shock jock talk world, 256 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: the show came to an end. Those guys ended up 257 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: going to New Orleans and then up to Seattle, and 258 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: I just wasn't. I think I had a boyfriend, a dude, 259 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: so I was like, I'm not going to travel around 260 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: following these dudes. 261 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay with this dude. 262 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: I shouldn't even been thinking about any of the dudes, 263 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: quite frankly, but so I stayed in Dallas and found 264 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: out that Mark Cuban was going to be starting a 265 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: basketball show and it was going to each week kind 266 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: of start with an opening monologue of him talking about 267 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: the maps and you know where they are, and then feature, 268 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: you know, segments with the players. And he was looking 269 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: for a co host and it was I had bumped 270 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: into someone at a grocery store. They're like, oh, I 271 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: heard that Mark Cuban is doing this thing, and I 272 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: think they already hired the person. I wish I had 273 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 3: thought of you sooner, would have told you, thanks, jerk, But. 274 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: I was like, that's not going to stop me. So 275 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: I found out. 276 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: Who the executive producer was, cold called the local CBS station, 277 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: got transferred to his voicemail, left a voicemail saying, I 278 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: heard you might already have someone, but I promise you 279 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: like she's wrong and you need to chat with me. 280 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: And I was hired within forty eight hours. 281 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: And I was sitting next to Mark Cuban co hosting 282 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: a basketball show, doing features with the basketball players and 283 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: go into the All Star Game and just doing silly 284 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: things tours of his house like MTV cribs, and I 285 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: did that for two years. But I was lucky enough. 286 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: And I'm sorry that I'm rambling. I feel like I'm 287 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: just I've just comment deered this podcast. I've just come 288 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, You've. 289 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: Got a lot to tell us. 290 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: So, but I I was sitting next to Mark, and 291 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: he's lovely, He's fantastic. Hey, I have nothing but wonderful 292 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: things to say about Mark Cuban. I really really enjoyed 293 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: my time working for him and value his opinion and 294 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,479 Speaker 3: respect him. And you know, he gave me an opportunity 295 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: to Elevator pitch him. He's like, well, I'm starting this 296 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: new network. It's called hd net. It's the world's first 297 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: high definition TV network. Everyone's going to buy these new 298 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: TVs and get rid of their old ones. Like why 299 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: would anyone get rid of a perfectly good working television, 300 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: Mark to buy your fancy two thousand dollars one failure 301 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: as if right? 302 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, I got an idea. 303 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: I've got an idea where I'm going to go interview 304 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: rock stars and show their concerts. 305 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: What do you think can I have a couple cameras 306 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: and go do this? 307 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: And he's like sure, And I started producing and hosting 308 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: a music show for HD. Budweiser came on as a sponsor. 309 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: It was then called The Budweiser True Music Show, and 310 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: I did over two hundred episodes and there was at 311 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: least three bands per episode. 312 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: So I booked and. 313 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: Interviewed over six hundred bands and then transitioned into multiple 314 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: different programs at the network, which we can talk about 315 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: in different titles, and you know, became the VP of 316 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: Programming after working with them for twenty years. 317 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: It's a great story. 318 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: It's the key I think is resilience, Like I said, 319 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: the fearless approach, creativity, dreaming, and just really just saying 320 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: there's no wall in front of me. I'm just going 321 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: to go to the next place that I want to 322 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: go creatively. So then you became, you know, a person 323 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: wearing all these multiple hats for sure, which I think. 324 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: In today's world is also. 325 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: Key because this is the reality of the world of 326 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: content creation of media. You know, we wearing multiple hats, 327 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 4: but you have to admit the most fun of those 328 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: hats had to be the interviews. 329 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh. 330 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: I love doing the interviews on camera and off camera, 331 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's so funny when when you 332 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: go over you know, and if you whether you're googling 333 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: me or you're looking over at access TVs sites and everything. 334 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: Like I got to do so many great on camera interviews, 335 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: you know, with on a series called at Home and 336 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: Social and Now Listen and like, so you know, getting 337 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: to sit there and do what you're doing and talk 338 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: to Robert Plant, Allison Krause, right, or Alice Cooper or 339 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: Sammy Hagar. 340 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: That was exciting. I loved chatting. 341 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: With all these rock stars, but equally for the other 342 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: shows that I produced, like the Very Best of the 343 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: Seventies and the Very Best of the Eighties and the 344 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: Top Ten Revealed. You know, you see all these talking 345 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: heads on those shows responding and talking about their favorite songs, 346 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: and it's an off camera interview. And I was getting 347 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: to conduct those interviews as well and help them, you know, 348 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: pause and say hold on, can you rephrase that? And 349 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: can we make it shorter? And let's make it punchy. 350 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: And I've got a joke and you want to deliver 351 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: it this way, so, you know, brainstorming directly with ALDA Ford, 352 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: you know, or a Jeff Pilson from Foreigner and sitting 353 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: across from them and coming up with ooh zingers together. 354 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: I got to create form like these really intimate, nice 355 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: friendships with so many of these musicians over the years. 356 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: And I do consider it friendships, you know. 357 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 358 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: Feel, you know, there's there's a lot of great phone 359 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: numbers on this phone, and I really truly, honestly believe 360 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 3: I can text a lot of them and just say hi, 361 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: and and that's that's pretty cool. 362 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: Is there one that stands at the the you know, 363 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 4: the ultimate height that you achieved in terms of an interview, 364 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: you know. 365 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: And it's not to pick favorites, because we don't pick 366 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: favorites here, but I have to say one of the 367 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: last interviews I did when I was over at Access 368 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: TV talk about going out with a Bang. It was 369 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: Robert Plant and Alison Krause and I had been chasing 370 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: a Robert Plant interview for years, years, and this one. 371 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: Was really special for a couple of reasons. 372 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 3: One, the publicist or the book there's a publicist came 373 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: to me. I didn't have to ask for the interview, 374 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: so I found that to be a compliment that, you know, 375 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: Robert Plant and Alison Krauss only have X amount time 376 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: of their day. They're only going to say to X 377 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: yes to X amount of interviews. And I didn't have 378 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: to ask for it. They slotted me in. So I 379 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: found that really cool and special. 380 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: I also, I want to use the word humbled. It's 381 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: not that I was humbled, but. 382 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: Robert Plant put me back and reminded me something that 383 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: I think we all still need the reminding of every 384 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: once in a while. Is that a rock star, a 385 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: movie star and icon. There's still just people, right, and 386 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 3: over my years of doing interviews, you know, I've always 387 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: I always love the people that are very charismatic, you know, 388 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: Justin Hawkins from like The Darkness, you know, or a 389 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: Sammy Hagar who you know logs on and they're like 390 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 3: oh and you're like, yeah, big energy. 391 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: I love it. It's rugsury interview man. 392 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: But Robert didn't do that, and so I was disappointed 393 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: at first and had to kind of recalibrate my thinking. 394 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: When you know, we log on, I'm like hello Robert 395 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: and he's like, hello, Katie, how are you today? 396 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: And You're like, oh man, he just brings his I'm 397 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: having my afternoon earl tea energy, not my whiskey vodka, 398 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: backstage energy. 399 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: And so it was nice to just be able to talk. 400 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: To him and feel him and his presence as a 401 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: person versus a rock star. 402 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: And so I just I found that to be a 403 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: very special interview. 404 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: Oh my god, is it a great one or what? 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 4: And what is so amazing about him? But also, you know, 406 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: Allison's work speaks for its self as well. 407 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: But you think about Robert and. 408 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: You think about agent gracefully. Yeah right, I mean there's 409 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 4: there's really nothing he's putting on here. He's doing what 410 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 4: he what he loves. You must have loved the led 411 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 4: Zeppelin documentary. 412 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely. I mean led Zeppelin's a very special band. 413 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: A lot of the legacy and iconic bands you know 414 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: are uh and he himself exactly, I mean his story. 415 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: I mean I I one of my favorite interviews by 416 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: you know, Dan Rather, because on over an Access TV 417 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 3: we had Dan Rather show the Big Interview and he 418 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: has this great interview with Robert and and Dan you know, 419 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: peels the onion as he always does with any you know, 420 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: great interview, and just talking to Robert about you know, 421 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: the death of his you know, Toddler. 422 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: Aged son, and that has always. 423 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 3: Sat with me that you know, this is a guy 424 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: that you know, it was a rock star and commandeering 425 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: a stage and you know, idolized by so many and 426 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, he was still you know, 427 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: living life and having to go through stuff that humans 428 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 3: go through. You know, you can't escape life, and you 429 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: know he you know, certainly has a story to tell 430 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: and experiences to share and pain and to carry. 431 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: So tell me what you're working on these days. 432 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Well, you know, one of the things that I'm working 433 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: on that's really actually very near and dear to my 434 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: heart is I started working with a charity. It's called 435 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: Cancer Can Rock. Which I love the irony in that, 436 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: right because obviously cancer doesn't rock. But in this form, 437 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: it's it's very similar to as one would say, like 438 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 3: maybe a Make a Wish foundation, right, but it's we 439 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: take these artists, you know, non professional musicians that are 440 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: battling cancer, and we raise the money to give them 441 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: the opportunity to go into a local recording studio for 442 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: the day and record one of their original songs, and 443 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 3: we bring in a videographer. So at the of the day, 444 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: they have a recording, they have a music video. If 445 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: they say we need a guitarist, we bring in a guitar. 446 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: So if they say I need a drummer, we bring it. 447 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: We need a cow bell, I'll get you a guy 448 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 3: with a cow bell. So we fill that studio with 449 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: the people and the engineers and the producers that they 450 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 3: need to make this song, so that they have this 451 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 3: experience that allows them to forget cancer for a moment. 452 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: It gives them a tangible memory for themselves and their family. 453 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: And so I've been working with them, and Rufus and 454 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: Martha Wainwright are on our board as well. They were 455 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: doing something very similar called folk Cancer, the Kate McGarrigle Project, 456 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 3: in honor of their mom, and so we've kind of 457 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 3: merged them together. It's like a charity baby, so Cancer 458 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: Can Rock and Folk Cancer And it's just been really 459 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: great to be on the board and be working with 460 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 3: this organization for the last year. So that's been one 461 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: of my big focuses. I just also joined the board 462 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: over at the she Rocks and that's cool because i'd 463 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: been working with them for almost like five years, hosting 464 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: some of their events, hosting some of their online interviews, 465 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: and then I eventually got honored myself, and so to 466 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: join the board and try to pick who's going to 467 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: get honored for twenty twenty six is pretty exciting as well. 468 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 3: And then I'm just schlepping. I'm trying to figure it 469 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: out like everyone else, you know. I mean we talked 470 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: about Access TV earlier, but you know that network has 471 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: taken some turns and did mass layoffs. There's about, you know, 472 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: less than a dozen people still there, and they're playing 473 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: the shows on repeat, but they're not creating anything new. 474 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: And so I'm out here trying to figure out what 475 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 2: do I want to be when I grow up? Right? 476 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 4: Well, you know you love music, so you got the 477 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: background and backbone for that for sure. But you know, 478 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 4: it is the era for content creators, as you know, 479 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 4: So you know, I think you're certainly riding that. 480 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: And not afraid to you know, No, it's true. 481 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: I mean I have a great roll at X and 482 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: a great interest in learning and a gift for gab 483 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: one would. 484 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 4: Say, so in closing, what advice would you give to, 485 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: you know, young people aspiring to have a diverse and 486 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: evolving career like yours? 487 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: In media and entertainment. 488 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: Well, I mean listen, and it is this industry is changing, 489 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: like in real time. So it's like I feel like 490 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time keeping up as well. So 491 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: the biggest thing I would say is learn as many 492 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: skills as you can, right I mean, I grew up 493 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: in a time when talent got to just be talent 494 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: and didn't have to also be a cameraman and an 495 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: editor and all those things. Right now, it truly is 496 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: a content creator. You develop it, you shoot it, you 497 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: come up with it. You have to do it all, 498 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: so wear all the hats, whether you want to or not. 499 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: So learning that skill set, I think understanding and embracing 500 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: AI is pretty key. I am still a firm believer. 501 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: You know, listen, AI is scary. You know, we know 502 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: how things could potentially go wrong. We've all seen that movie. 503 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: But I will say, you know, it's not necessarily AI 504 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: that's going to take over. 505 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: It's the people who know how to use AI that 506 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: are going to take over. So continue to learn, research, 507 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: learn another language. I don't know. 508 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 4: Katie Darryl, what a nice conversation. I'm so honored that 509 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: you came on taking a walk and You're a breath 510 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 4: of fresh air and I wish you only the best 511 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: in all your many endeavors. 512 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. 513 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 3: I've had a lovely time chatting with you, and I 514 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: hope one day we get to be on the same 515 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: footpath together, actually taking that walk together. 516 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Thanks for listening to this episode of 517 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: the Taking a Walk podcast. 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