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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. All Right,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing here? On One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Chris trapassa with you on a Monday. As we are

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Speaker 1: back from our one week hiatus. Show was dark last week,

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Speaker 1: as it is every July fourth week. Hope you had

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Speaker 1: a great July fourth holiday weekend. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: could have asked for anything better. July fourth on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: that was perfect. So it just rolls right into a

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Speaker 1: three day weekend. After that, you basically get four days.

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Speaker 1: Some of us got even more than that. Did you

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Speaker 1: do anything special on the fourth.

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Speaker 2: At Arondic Mountains? Oh, my family has a place up there,

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Speaker 2: so we were there for the whole week. I took

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Speaker 2: the week off. We were on the boat. I tried

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Speaker 2: to do as much American things on the the July

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Speaker 2: as the hosspipital. Get on a boat, drink American beer,

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Speaker 2: things like that. On the fourth of July, we actually

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Speaker 2: went past an island that had a bald eagle match,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was perfectly tried to be very patriotic

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Speaker 2: on the fourth. It was great, But I feel like

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Speaker 2: refreshed and ready for football. I know we're a few

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Speaker 2: weeks away from.

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Speaker 1: Training, a little over two weeks. But but it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like we can talk about football now without it

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Speaker 2: being so in the distant future.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you do any fishing on the boat

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Speaker 1: or no? We didn't, Okay, usually I mean usually basically

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Speaker 1: a party boat for all intent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a pontoon boat. We had the whole

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Speaker 2: family on there, so it was not a fishing trip.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, because I'm gonna get some fishing in later

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Speaker 1: this week, looking forward to that. So nice. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I got I got the four to one one where

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Speaker 1: I'm going like, hey, you go, good spot, like look

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Speaker 1: for this drop off here by this bowie like I

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Speaker 1: was getting. I was getting inside scoop on that. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if it pays off and may not, you know it.

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Speaker 2: That's all fishing goes though, right You.

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Speaker 1: Know, Well, if you're not, if you don't fish regularly

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Speaker 1: and on the same body of water, you're largely depending

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Speaker 1: But if you're a regular fisherman, which I will, which

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Speaker 1: I will be when I retire, like that, I am

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Speaker 1: don know, Oh, I'm doing that every day when I'm

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Speaker 1: done working. So I am only part time. And when

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Speaker 1: you're a part time fishermen and you're going to you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, these people that you know live on

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Speaker 1: know that, yeah, you know, and what's biting and when

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Speaker 1: to go and like, oh there was a temperature inversion

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Speaker 1: on the lake. Don't go today, You're not going to

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Speaker 1: catch anything, you know, whatever. Whatever, So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: We'll see if I get lucky enough to catch something

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Speaker 1: worth taking a picture of. Yeah for sure. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and we always host for Fourth or July.

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Speaker 1: Well everything my wife's family comes over. Oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: just grilling it up that we we we made a

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Speaker 1: slight diversion. This might not be as an American Fourth

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Speaker 1: of July as yours was because we didn't do hot

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Speaker 2: Oh well, Chavetta's is about as buffalo as.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And then I did I steamed some clams too.

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Speaker 1: People were pretty well, yeah, but it's not hot dogs

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Speaker 1: So I was happy with that. You saw bald eagles.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had talked to I had talked to Steve

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Speaker 2: You guys.

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Speaker 1: So the good news is they they said, well, if

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Speaker 1: I am nowhere near I was gonna say Pond Creek,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly not a natural body of water.

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Speaker 1: maybe that's where bird brain comes from, because they they

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Speaker 1: and you know, we'll get into phone calls and topic

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Speaker 1: to go around the NFL. You know, the news cycle

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Speaker 1: you know, the quote unquote dead period and around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Collide Healthy, official healthcare system of

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And we begin with Bengals QB Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: As we know, his twenty twenty three season ended with

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Speaker 1: way to make his wrist healthier, and that is by

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Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit, you're playing the piano,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely gonna help with finger deck sterity and stuff

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Speaker 1: Or is I think it looks like he took it

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Speaker 2: Maybe I guess my next question would be what what

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Speaker 2: you were kind of getting at, Chris, is you're working

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Speaker 2: your wrist when you're playing the piano. Yeah, if it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know where I come

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Speaker 2: This was just classic late June early July. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think Joe's stretching it a little bit here,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't see it either.

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Speaker 1: To me, this story reminds me a lot of when

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Speaker 1: Tua was learning how to fall properly and taking taekwondo

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Speaker 1: to learn how to fall properly after getting four concussions

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Speaker 2: But and why I said that, it's classic, like late

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Speaker 2: June early July headline is Joe Burrow is an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So as to if they do anything outside of football,

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Speaker 2: I think there's always going to be a desire to

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Speaker 2: of times maybe he just wants to learn the piano

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Speaker 2: or learn jiu jitsu and that's it. Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily think there's really anything else to it beyond that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but to a last year was the first thing

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Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, Joe, that's great that

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Speaker 2: Dude, and you're, yeah, exactly, That's what I mean. I

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Speaker 2: don't I think it's might even be a stress to

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Speaker 2: gained weight learned how to fall doing all the jiu jitsu,

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Speaker 2: He's like, no, actually, I want to lose a lot

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know where to come down on that either, because,

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Speaker 2: like you said, to have played all seventeen games and

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Speaker 2: he didn't get injured when that was really the biggest

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Speaker 2: stages of his NFL career. It worked, and now he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: actually I want to lose weight. So it's kind of like,

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Speaker 2: really not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of a stretch. Burrow, by the way,

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Are they not good at embellishing when they are held?

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Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Or is it the way

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Speaker 1: Josh puts balls on guys instead of you know, more

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Speaker 1: often than not, he just puts it on a rope

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Speaker 1: to a guy's chest. He doesn't really lead a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys into space very often, unless he's throwing one

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Speaker 1: of those over the shoulder down the field, throws you know,

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Speaker 1: crossing routes. He sticks it on the guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: really lead them into space. So I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't think that's the reason. That was one

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Speaker 1: of the comments in there that I found interesting was

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Speaker 1: they said, well, you know, the Chiefs clutch and grab,

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Speaker 1: and after they did that with success in the twenty

448
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Speaker 1: twenty AFC title game, everybody adopted that practice when they

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Speaker 1: played the Bills that nobody calls it anymore. That could

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Speaker 1: be I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, you you mentioned that argument made for that, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that that that game, and I was telling you off

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Speaker 2: the air. I don't remember the wide receiver, but in

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Speaker 2: that Super Bowl, after the Bills lost to the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: in the MC title game, a random wide receiver tweeted like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they're actually calling DPI and holding in the secondary in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl that they did not call in that

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Speaker 2: AFC title game. So maybe, I mean, we always talk

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Speaker 2: about how it's a copycat league and something as minute

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Speaker 2: as that, like, hey, when you play the Bills, just

461
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Speaker 2: grab the entire game. You might get one or two

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Speaker 2: calls or clearly maybe not that many at all. And

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Speaker 2: they can't blow the whistle every play. They're not going

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Speaker 2: to blow it every play. And even if you get

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Speaker 2: called once or twice, if you're doing it, if the

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Speaker 2: Bills are thrown a forty five times, then that's you're

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Speaker 2: making out better if you're the defense. The only thing

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Speaker 2: I could think of that somewhat makes sense in my

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Speaker 2: brain is the fact that in the last three to

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Speaker 2: four years the Bills have had one of the smaller

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Speaker 2: receiver groups and maybe, like the referees kind of have

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Speaker 2: a they don't even realize it, like a bias where

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Speaker 2: they're facing bigger corners and you think, hey, this bigger

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Speaker 2: corner is going to be able to just physically outman

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Speaker 2: this smaller player of digs A Beasley of John Brown.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's no accident that they ca bigger this offseason

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Speaker 1: and Keon Coleman, Valdez Scantling.

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Speaker 2: Chase Claypool, Chase Claypool, just to be a little more Coleman, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just to be a little more physical to say, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: if Keon Coleman at his size like six three almost

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Speaker 2: to twenty, if he's being held, then it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit easier to see. Or maybe you go in thinking

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Speaker 2: that if it's Cole Beasley against a bigger corner, that

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Speaker 2: he is going to be physically outmatched and it's going

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Speaker 2: to be or an advantage to the corner.

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Speaker 1: Or that if they're not going to call it, at

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Speaker 1: least we have a bigger, stronger guy to muscle his

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Speaker 1: There you go it, that could be Maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: solution going forward.

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Speaker 2: That's how the Bills are being proactive about it. You're saying, yes, yes, that's.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, Like, hey, this has been a persistent

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Speaker 1: problem and it doesn't get any better in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: So let's just get bigger, stronger guys to handle that.

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Speaker 2: And what's what's weird about that is is that it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like back in the nineties, how and it's

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Speaker 2: kindind of very prevalent in the NBA now, Like there

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Speaker 2: was the Michael Jordan effect, where like Michael Jordan would

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Speaker 2: get like thirty free throws against Yeah, like the Jordan rules,

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Speaker 2: You think that Josh Allen would get some of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not suggesting that the Bills have, you know,

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Speaker 2: the highest defensive pass interference in defensive holdings against them,

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Speaker 2: But Josh Allen is undoubtedly an elite quarterback to me,

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Speaker 2: the second best quarterback in the league. And I think

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Speaker 2: most people feel that way. Shouldn't he be not having

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Speaker 2: his receiver group be at the bottom of that list?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, I can tell you I got

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Speaker 1: some high school buddies that are Jets fans, and they

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Speaker 1: complain that Josh gets more roughing the passer penalties than

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Speaker 1: anybody they've ever seen. Now, Josh's good at embellishing sometimes

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's too Yeah, but I don't think that

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Speaker 1: counterbalance is this stat at all. I don't think. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he gets enough roughing the passer penalties on

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Speaker 1: opposing pass rushers to balance out the lack that is.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point, and it ties back to

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Speaker 2: Carolina with Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott that you I

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Speaker 2: think there's a YouTube video of all the hits that

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton would take and nothing was called. When there's

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Speaker 2: a smaller quarterback a little bit of a different time, yes,

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Speaker 2: or a smaller quarterback or one who doesn't run nearly

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Speaker 2: as much where they get touched and it's they whether

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Speaker 2: they embellish it or they just get blown up by

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Speaker 2: the by the outside linebacker or the defensive end. Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: maybe there are times where he embellishes and does get

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Speaker 2: those kind of Jordan Rule calls, But for the amount

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Speaker 2: of hits that he takes and he's running a lot

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Speaker 2: of times he doles out those hits, I think that

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Speaker 2: kind of hurts him so overall. I think you're spot

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Speaker 2: on with that that that there are probably more times

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Speaker 2: where he could actually get those calls in his favor.

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Speaker 1: Got to get to our topic of discussion here before

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Speaker 1: we get to break here at the bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 1: and it deals with Buffalo's rookie class, Which Bill's rookie

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Speaker 1: do you believe will be the most pleasant surprise twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Maybe it's somebody that winds up having a

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Speaker 1: bigger role than some people anticipate on offense or defense.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's somebody that has a production spike right out

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Speaker 1: of the shoot that we weren't anticipating. Or maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a guy that leap frogs one of the veteran players

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Speaker 1: on the depth chart and suddenly is dressing every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So find somebody in the Bill's rookie class that you

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Speaker 1: think is gonna be the most pleasant surprise in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Eight h three h five point fifty one

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Speaker 1: eighty eight five point fifty two five point fifty those

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Speaker 1: are the numbers to get on board. And we do

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Speaker 1: have open lines for you. If you don't have time

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Speaker 1: to give us a phone call, you can always hit

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Speaker 1: us up on the tweet sheet as well. That's at

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Live on X or Twitter, whatever you call

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Speaker 1: it these days. I mean, there are some obvious answers there,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of pleasant surprise, like I think people

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Speaker 1: are more hoping somebody like Keon Coleman checks off sooner

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Speaker 1: rather than later. To me, a pleasant surprise would be

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Speaker 1: something that's that was taken off the board a little

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Speaker 1: bit later, you know, a day two or a day three.

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Speaker 2: Let's think of those type of players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, I think it would be

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Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise if Cole Bishop wins a starting job

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Speaker 1: out of camp. That would be a pleasant surprise. Is

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Speaker 1: it going to happen? I don't know. In my mind's eye,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's probably unlikely, only because I still remember

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Speaker 1: him saying in the spring that this is a totally

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Speaker 1: different defense than the one he played at Utah, where

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Speaker 1: they played a ton of man, like almost exclusively man.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot more concepts that he's got a

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Speaker 1: master here. So he has admitted it is a completely

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Speaker 1: different defense. And even though the guy is high football

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Speaker 1: IQ and all of that, and you know, I think

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Speaker 1: his work ethic has kind of bared itself out here

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Speaker 1: through the spring. That's not a coaching staff that throws

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Speaker 1: rookies on the field right away very often, let alone

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Speaker 1: at a position as important in this defensive scheme as

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Speaker 1: the safe spots. So I don't know if he's on

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Speaker 1: the field, you know, week one, two, three, or four,

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Speaker 1: maybe second half of the season things change, but I

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Speaker 1: just can't I don't know, I can't wrap my head

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Speaker 1: around that just yet.

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Speaker 2: But that would classify as a pleasant.

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Speaker 1: Surprise that does happen. Yeah, I would be very good

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Speaker 1: because it means he's on the fast track and has

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Speaker 1: convinced the coaches that they can trust him, like you're

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Speaker 1: trusting a rookie week one at that position. That's a

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Speaker 1: pleasant surprise for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that would give the listeners viewers an idea

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Speaker 2: of what we're asking for with this question, not to

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Speaker 2: say Ken Coleman plays really well, like you know, first

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Speaker 2: picking the second round the Bills for a selection, of course,

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Speaker 2: someone like that playing right away with the Bills making

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Speaker 2: ten picks, you have a lot to choose from, but

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Speaker 2: we're thinking more day two or day three selections with

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Speaker 2: this question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to take a break here though, but

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Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll take your phone calls at

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Speaker 1: eight zho three zero five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty numbers to get on board.

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Speaker 1: Which Bill's rookie will be the most pleasant surprise in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four or you let us know we're back

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Speaker 1: in a flash here on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: edition of One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris

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Speaker 1: Trapasso with you and talking about the Bill's rookie class

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Speaker 1: right now, Which Bill's rookie will be the most pleasant

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Speaker 1: surprise in twenty twenty four. You let us know who

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Speaker 1: your pick is at eight oh three oh five point

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Speaker 1: fifty one eight eight five fifty two five fifty Those

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Speaker 1: are the numbers to get on board. It can hit

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Speaker 1: us up on the tweet sheet at One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Also need to remind you that coming up in the

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Speaker 1: second hour of the show, we're going to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Doug Farrar, the X'es and O's football guru from

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Speaker 1: USA Today. He's the editor and NFL writer over there.

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Speaker 1: Also does a podcast with our good friend Greg Cosel

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Speaker 1: the X'es and O's So Yeah, if you like the

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of NFL SKIS, I would recommend that

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Speaker 1: as a podcast listen because those guys do know their stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're going to catch up with Doug in the second

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Speaker 1: hour of the show because we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a piece that he wrote dealing with NFL teams that

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Speaker 1: have found success without an alpha dog number one receiver.

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Speaker 1: The Bills will be falling into that category this fall,

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Speaker 1: so we want to see what he has uncovered in

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Speaker 1: that piece. So we look forward to catching up with

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Speaker 1: Doug at the top of the hour about twenty five

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Speaker 1: minutes from now. We'll have him on with us and

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Speaker 1: discussing that in great detail, because we've talked about what

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Speaker 1: we are anticipating will be a very democratic approach to

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Speaker 1: the passing game going forward, and how that might impact Josh,

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Speaker 1: how it will impact the receivers across the board, and

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Speaker 1: how Joe Brady's scheme can facilitate all of it.

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Speaker 2: And Doug did a great job in this article digging

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Speaker 2: in to two recent teams, the most the quintessential teams

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Speaker 2: that have done this obviously the Chiefs and the Packers

632
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Speaker 2: that they traded away Devanta Adams and everyone's like you

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Speaker 2: traded Devanta Adams like in his late twenties. The Bills

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Speaker 2: just did that with Stefan Diggs and Jordan Loved down

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Speaker 2: the stretch last year, had something like eighteen touchdowns and

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Speaker 2: one pick. Was great. In the playoffs, they were like

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Speaker 2: a player two away from the NFC title game when

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Speaker 2: they were I believe three and five or four and six.

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Speaker 2: At some point in the season, they've got hot late

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Speaker 2: and it was Romeo Dobbs and it was Christian Watson

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Speaker 2: who was hurt a little bit, and Craft and you

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Speaker 2: know a lot of young players where Yeah, going into

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Speaker 2: the season, it was like who is going to catch

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Speaker 2: passes for the Packers. I think the naysayers or the

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Speaker 2: critics about the Bills are saying, look, we've only seen

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three just

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Speaker 2: funneled the ball to Stefan Diggs. There was Cole Beasley,

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Speaker 2: they had the all Pro season there, but now who

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Speaker 2: are they going to throw it to the Chiefs? And

650
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Speaker 2: the Packers have proven and Doug really broke that down

651
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: what they were able to do to really keep defenses

652
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: on their heels over the last couple of years with

653
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: this non wide receiver one philosophy that kind of goes

654
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: against fantasy football and what we kind of have grown

655
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: accustomed to in today's NFL.

656
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Speaker 1: The one other note we wanted to pass along that

657
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: was Bill's related Jeremy Fallon from ESPN began his position

658
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: by position top ten lists for twenty twenty four started

659
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: with running backs, and basically, for those that don't know,

660
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: what he does is he gets in touch with NFL executives,

661
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: GIST series head coaches and basically polls them and asks

662
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: for anonymous comment on who they believe to be the

663
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: top ten players at a given position. He started with

664
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Speaker 1: running backs and James Cook did not make the top ten,

665
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Speaker 1: which surprised me a little bit, I have to say,

666
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Speaker 1: and I'll explain why in a second, but he was

667
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: honorable mention. James Cook was. Here's what they said about him.

668
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: Cook ranked second behind McCaffrey and explosive plays with forty

669
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Speaker 1: He runs outside zone well, puts the foot in the

670
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: ground and gets up the field, said one NFL offensive coach.

671
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: Very productive year. Can catch out of the backfield now.

672
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Cook was sixth in the league in total yards from

673
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: scrimmage with fifteen hundred and sixty seven. That's all players,

674
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Speaker 1: not just running backs. I mean, here's the names in

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: front of him. Christian McCaffrey, who was number one on

676
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: the running back list incidentally Ceedee lamb Tyreek Hill, Breecee Hall,

677
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: and Puka Nakua. That's it. He had the next most

678
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Speaker 1: total yards from scrimmage after those guys, ranked fourth in

679
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: the league in rushing, and I realized, that's just one

680
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: year of major production, but not in the top ten.

681
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Breece Hall, who had his first big year

682
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: last year, didn't even crack a thousand rushing yards and

683
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: he got ranked second on the ESPN list.

684
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's interesting about that too. This was not

685
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: like James Cook just got the ball like four hundred

686
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: times last year and that's why he was so high.

687
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: He averaged four point six yards per carry, which is

688
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: a very high number when you're getting over two hundred

689
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: carries like he did. I think this is going to

690
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: seem weird, I think locally in this area. Not that

691
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: Bill's fans and media members here didn't witness his breakout

692
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: and respect it, but I think in some of those

693
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: big games, some of the drops that he had, the

694
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: fumble issues early, it almost took away from what was

695
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: almost like this under the radar, like you would get

696
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: to the end of a Bills game, whether it was

697
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: early when they or that little lull where the offense

698
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: didn't really play well or even down the stretch when

699
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: they really hit their stride, you would look back and

700
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: go James Cook had one hundred and fifteen yards from

701
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: scrimmage today and it didn't really feel like that difficult

702
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: for the offensive line or for him or you would say,

703
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: look in that Eagles game he dropped a touchdown early

704
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: on what the first or second drive that it was

705
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: more looking at the negative some of the fumbles early

706
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: on when he proved that he can be a bellky

707
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: running back. When a lot of people, even myself, when

708
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: he was coming into the NFL from the draft, can

709
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: he be a two hundred and twenty five plus carry back.

710
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: He proved that he could last year and still be efficient,

711
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: averaging almost five yards per carry.

712
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his biggest game of the year was on

713
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Speaker 1: national television. I mean it was a nationally televised game

714
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys where he just ran rough, shot over

715
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: those guys, and so I was thinking, all right, here's

716
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: his you know, here's his moment where he's going to

717
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: be on the you know, NFL radar and go off.

718
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: And he did, and I don't know, it's like nothing

719
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: came of it. I mean, he went to the Pro Bowl, right, Yeah,

720
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: he was on the Pro Pro Yeah, he was on

721
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl roster. I think he was the Pro Bowl.

722
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: Has that proves how watered down the Pro Bowl?

723
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, yes, if we'd rege that. But I mean his

724
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: production is undeniable. I mean, Brice Hall, what's he getting

725
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: the New York media bump there? Like, I don't know. So,

726
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Breece Hall is a talented player, and

727
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: I know on a stopwatch he's faster than James Cook

728
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: by a little bit. I mean he runs like a

729
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: four to three eight and Cook runs a four to

730
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: four to two. But I don't know. I just Cook

731
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: had a better year of production and he didn't even

732
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Speaker 1: make the top ten. Like you'll if you like Breece

733
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: Hall a little bit better. But I mean this is

734
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: coaches and executives that are saying this. I don't know.

735
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: Maybe because he's a bigger body and he's you know,

736
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: even faster, Maybe he's a better you know, physical specimen.

737
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what the what the preference is, but.

738
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Speaker 2: I guess it just surprised me.

739
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: Both of them are second round picks. Yeah, I don't know.

740
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Speaker 2: It surprises me a little. I guess I haven't done

741
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: enough fantasy drafts yet to like remember all the other

742
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: running backs around the league that would be considered in

743
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: the top ten in that article, But it's because he

744
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: just had the breakout season and Christian McCaffrey and Breece

745
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: how were the only backs that had more yards from

746
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: scrimmage than James Cook last year. It surprised me that

747
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: he didn't crack that top ten.

748
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I mean, okay, I mean I wouldn't call

749
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: him top thin one or two, but like seven.

750
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why that's right.

751
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there. They would make the top I couldn't

752
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: believe it. So I was, I don't know, maybe I'm

753
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: parking up the wrong tree, but based on the production

754
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: he put up last year, and I think he's better

755
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: receiver than Brice Hall very frankly.

756
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: And I guess with these because we are just exiting

757
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: hopefully list season where there's rankings and lists, are you

758
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: saying with that or are these executives saying how good

759
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: those players were last year? Are you projecting it forward

760
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: to say, you know, twenty twenty four.

761
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: And beyond, say for twenty twenty four, So okay, I

762
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe they feel with Rogers, Breise Hall's game

763
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: is going to really take off because you can't load

764
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: up the box and all of that stuff. I mean,

765
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: maybe that's part of it. So I still don't think

766
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: that means that James Cook shouldn't be in the top ten.

767
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: So I don't think that James Cook is a top

768
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: five back. I think where you had him slotted, you know,

769
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: seven to ten, somewhere in that range. And I still

770
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: think he could get better. I think he can be

771
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: a little bit more elusive and shore up his hands

772
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: a little bit. But why I asked, like, was it

773
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: just twenty twenty three or beyond? He's not even twenty

774
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: five years old yet, he does not have three years

775
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: of two hundred plus carries on his resume in the NFL.

776
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: He did not touch the ball a lot at Georgia.

777
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: Then you look at the likes of Joe Mixon and

778
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, even Derrick Henry, like these older backs, we

779
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: know how precipitously they can drop off after they hit

780
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: that age twenty eight season. If you're projecting it forward,

781
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: I would put James Cook probably even higher than I

782
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: would just normally have him in terms of his ability

783
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: because he's so young and there's so you know, there's

784
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: so much tread on his tire still as a back.

785
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, aight, O three oh five point fifty one eight

786
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. That's the number to

787
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Speaker 1: get on board. We are talking about uh, James Cook

788
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: a little bit, but also talking about the Bill's rookie

789
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: class and who you think could be a pleasant surprise

790
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: from that Bill's rookie class here in twenty twenty four.

791
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: But let's go to the phones, open lines for you

792
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: at eight O three oh five fifty one eight eight

793
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty, and we go to

794
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Speaker 1: Carmine and Tonawanda. What do you got for his Carmine?

795
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how are you doing good? All right? Well,

796
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: the surprises I think will probably cold Bishop and you

797
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: know you could probably throw in Carter in there, and

798
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: well Davis for that matter. But yeah, I think those

799
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: guys will be a pleasant surprise. But I did I

800
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: just wanted to touch on a little bit. You said that

801
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: Jeremy Fowler said that Cook didn't even come in the

802
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: top ten. I think that's great. Yeah, you know, let

803
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: them think that that's fine. Keeps the spotlight off them.

804
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't have to prepare as much for him

805
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: as they do for those other guys. But but I

806
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: did have a question for both of yous, and especially you, Chris.

807
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: You know when you rank these players, I mean, it's

808
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: almost impossible to you know, to follow like every player

809
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: in that NFL let alone in college. I mean, what

810
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: guidelines you got to give us some industry secrets here?

811
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: What guidelines do you guys use to you know, to

812
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: to rank these players? And I mean, how do you

813
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: how do you know? I mean, because there's players that

814
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: you guys rate out of East Podunk State the.

815
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Speaker 1: High I mean, yeah, no, that's a fair question. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: that's a fair question, Karla, And thanks for the call,

817
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll defer to Chris on this in just

818
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: a second. All I'll say is the list that we

819
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: were referencing from Jeremy Fowler. He is asking and getting

820
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: in touch with NFL executives, gms and coaches to get

821
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: their professional opinions. They've watched multitude of film on these

822
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: players who are already in the league, so there's readily

823
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: accessible film for them to review in great even if

824
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: it's a player that's not on their roster. So that's

825
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: where they're coming from in terms of their breath of knowledge.

826
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: As for listicles, that's your department over the Yeah.

827
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why it's fun to go down the

828
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: rabbit holes. If you're in junior or early July and

829
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: your board, you're thinking of football, you're wishing it was back.

830
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: But I'm someone that when you're doing rankings, and I

831
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: have to do about three hundred of them for every

832
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: NFL draft, I feel like numbers and a grading system

833
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: has to be attached to it. If it's an article

834
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: like this Jeremy frol Is asking, and like you're saying,

835
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: these guys are executives making the picks, signing the players,

836
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: making the trades, you can say, oh, yeah, I think

837
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: he's about the number six running back, or he's eleven,

838
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: or he's twelve. When it comes to the draft, I

839
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: think you almost have to have some type of grading system,

840
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: and certainly every team does, so that's probably what happens

841
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: with the draft. In terms of following the players once

842
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: they're in the NFL. There's of course no set universally

843
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: accepted like ranking system for the best running Bill very

844
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: sort subject very subjective. You gotta watch a lot of

845
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: film me covering the entire league, Chris, you know, being

846
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: at every away game and certainly knowing a lot more

847
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: than just the Bills roster. That certainly helps give you

848
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: an idea of where specific players on a given team

849
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: rank kind of compared to their contemporaries. But there really

850
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: is no Hey, this is the list that you have

851
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,479
Speaker 2: to go by, or the grading system that says James

852
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: Cook is the eleventh back, the fifth back, to twentieth back,

853
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: or the third best back in the league.

854
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you just go back to what NFL

855
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: personnel departments do to get ready for the draft, what

856
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: do you hear GM say all the time they want

857
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: scouts with strong opinions. At the end of the day,

858
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: it's an opinions. Now, it's an educated opinion based on

859
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: their background and you know, coming up through the league.

860
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: But it's an opinion nonetheless, And that's why it is

861
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: in an exact science. So that's kind of where I

862
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: would leave at Carmine. It still is very subjective in nature.

863
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like even for me that I have my

864
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Speaker 2: scouting grade book that has this very detailed grading formula.

865
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Speaker 2: I grade every single player at every position on five

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Speaker 2: skill or tailent categories. But the basis of that is

867
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Speaker 2: me grading on let's say, for a running back elusiveness.

868
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: That's a subjective. I watched James Cook film at Georgia.

869
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Speaker 2: I give him an eight point eight out of ten

870
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Speaker 2: like that. So the foundation, even though I do plug

871
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Speaker 2: in a bunch of numbers and there's a four, it's

872
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Speaker 2: a weighted formula. So I try to make it as

873
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Speaker 2: quantifiable as possible. It's still just my opinion at the

874
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Speaker 2: ground floor of it. And that's the case with every

875
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Speaker 2: NFL scouting department.

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Speaker 1: Gotta take a break here, but still taking your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: We'll lead off with Scott and Williamsville. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: Which Bill's rookie is gonna be the most pleasant surprise

879
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four? You let us know here on

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

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00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: Which Bill's rookie do you think will be the most

883
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise in twenty twenty four? Maybe it's a larger role,

884
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it's putting up some kind of production that nobody

885
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: had any thought was even possible in a rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Who's your favorite? There? You let us know at eight

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Speaker 1: h three zero five fifty one eighty eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five point fifty we go back to the phones

889
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: now and to Scott in Williamsville. What do you got

890
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: for a Scott.

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00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: Hi for taking my car? Well, I certainly, you know,

892
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: I want to answer your question that I have a

893
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 5: question for you guys. But you know, I think it.

894
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: I think it's tough. I'd love to say, you know,

895
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 5: every time be our first round draft choice, but you know,

896
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 5: chose a guy who's four to six plus and ideal

897
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 5: conditions and reportedly has trouble getting off the line in college.

898
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: So I don't know, you know, it actually stirs up

899
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 5: a lot of things I had high hope for, you know,

900
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: all of our guys the last few years. Devin Singletary,

901
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: Zach Moss, Jermaine Edmunds, Harrison Phillips, Boogie bashkyer Elam, Dave Davis.

902
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 5: I mean, we can't just miss on our second and

903
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 5: third and first. But that's that's just my opinion. But

904
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: it's unfortunately these guys aren't. But I got to ask

905
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 5: you this question because you know, every everything with the bills,

906
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: in my opinion changed in April. Everything that we think

907
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 5: about our offense taking five thousand yards in four years

908
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 5: out of that lineup? What does this leave Joshua? And

909
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 5: I guess my question really goes back, is there any chance,

910
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 5: because I don't think it's true. Is there any chance

911
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 5: that Ken Dorsey goes thirteen to three is first year

912
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 5: and then walks into Bean's office and says, you know,

913
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Speaker 5: I think we should go to a twelve personnel while

914
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Speaker 5: we have a six five, two hundred and forty pound

915
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 5: rocket armed quarterback. And I just think that decision, especially

916
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Speaker 5: now with out digs clearing the path where a lot

917
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Speaker 5: of guys are tight ends and our running backs, I

918
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: just I'll never understand that decision. But the quarterback that

919
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: we had, and I'm just wondering, you know, And I,

920
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Speaker 5: like I said, I don't think Dorsey went in and

921
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: made these changes, But I'll just hang up and listen

922
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Speaker 5: to your thoughts.

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00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. I mean, they did go heavy twelve

924
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Speaker 1: personnel at the start of the year, and then Dawson

925
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Speaker 1: Knox went on r with the wrist injury and it

926
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Speaker 1: kind of went away and the offense kind of went

927
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Speaker 1: south with it to the point that they made a

928
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Speaker 1: coordinator change. I found it interesting that NFL dot COM's

929
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks believes that twelve personnel is going to see

930
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of a spike in personnel grouping usage

931
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: across the league. And you can understand why. You look

932
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: at the Raiders with Michael Mayer and Brock Bowers, you

933
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Speaker 1: look at the Packers with Tucker Craft and Luke Musgrave,

934
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Speaker 1: you look at the Bills with Knox and Kinkaid, and

935
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Speaker 1: there are other examples Baltimore with Isaiah Likely and Mark Andrews.

936
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Speaker 1: So just because you're using twelve personnel doesn't mean you're

937
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Speaker 1: inhibiting the abilities of a franchise quarterback. Ravens are doing

938
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Speaker 1: it with Lamar Jackson.

939
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Speaker 2: The Chiefs ran more thirteen personnel than any of the

940
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Speaker 2: team in the league last year.

941
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Speaker 1: Backers are doing it with Jordan Love, who looks like

942
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Speaker 1: a franchise signal caller. So I think I think your

943
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Speaker 1: concern about twelve personnel inhibiting Josh as a quarterback is

944
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Speaker 1: a little misguided. You run scheme based on the mismatches

945
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Speaker 1: you feel you have against a given opponent, and you

946
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Speaker 1: do that because that actually helps your quarterback more, because

947
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Speaker 1: it gives him more easy answers in the passing game

948
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Speaker 1: if you feel the matchups are that lopsided in your favor,

949
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Speaker 1: so you're actually trying to help your quarterback by doing

950
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: those things. Now, that's not going to be every week,

951
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Speaker 1: and I don't expect Joe Brady to have the twelve

952
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Speaker 1: personnel be the identity of the offense. It's going to

953
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Speaker 1: be a component of it, though, sure it'd be foolish

954
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Speaker 1: not to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I would say on that is

956
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: I think the timeline matters here that in twenty twenty

957
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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one, the Bills were like they were

958
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Speaker 2: running eleven personnel with John Brown, Cole Beasley, stefondeas they

959
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: terrorized the lead league. Now as those players got a

960
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Speaker 2: little older, Cole Beasley, John Brown got injured, and then

961
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Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid fell into their lap, it made sense like

962
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Speaker 2: you're saying, oh my gosh, we have this elite receiving

963
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: tight end. We have a good one that we like

964
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Speaker 2: in Dustin Knox. Let's not just keep them off the field.

965
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: Let's highlight them a little bit more. And it's still

966
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Speaker 2: going to be fifteen to twenty percent of the time.

967
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Speaker 2: It's not going to be you know the the primary

968
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Speaker 2: personnel usage grouping that they have.

969
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Speaker 1: And you know the last thing I'll say about your

970
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: concerns with Keyon Coleman. You have concerns. You're entitled to them.

971
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Speaker 1: But hey, if he turns out to be good, there's

972
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Speaker 1: your pleasant surprise. You aren't expecting anything, and if he

973
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: actually does bring some production to the table, you're all

974
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Speaker 1: the better for it. Gotta take a break here because

975
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Speaker 1: when we come back, we're going to be joined by

976
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Doug Farrar, NFL editor at USA Today. We'll catch up

977
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: with him about offenses in the league, the new trend

978
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: going without an alpha male number one wide out Bills

979
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: are going to be doing that this season. What does

980
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: see down the line in the league With that trend

981
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: growing in popularity, We check in with Doug next here

982
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live. Stay with us this One Bill's

983
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: Live presented by Calida Health. All Right, our number two

984
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: here on a Monday, Chris Brown, Chris Japasso with you

985
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: here on One Bills Live and please to be joined

986
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: now by USA Today editor and NFL writer, and you'll

987
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: also find him on the Ex's and O's podcast with

988
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: our good friend Greg co Sales Doug Farar joining us

989
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: here in the throes of the off season. But Doug

990
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: is always crunching tape and coming up with formulas and

991
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: trends that are developing in the league, and we wanted

992
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: to get him on for this one, in particular his

993
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: latest write up at sbnation dot com. NFL teams don't

994
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: need a number one wide receiver and here is why, Doug. First,

995
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. Second, the Bills and their current

996
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: receiving corps would seemingly fall into this category. We have

997
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: somewhat of a track record of success with this, Chiefs

998
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: being the most notable packers with a nice run last

999
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: year without a true number one. So I mean, you

1000
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: could even argue the Lions if you don't think a

1001
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: slot receiver can be an alpha number one guy like

1002
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: Amana Saint Brown. So do we see this as a

1003
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: growing thing or is it too early to tell?

1004
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's an interesting question.

1005
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 7: If it's true, it's good news for Bills fans, right

1006
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 7: because we're kind of looking at the receiver cord going okay, Well,

1007
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 7: and you could argue that Stefan Diggs as good as

1008
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 7: he was at his prime, maybe he wasn't that number

1009
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 7: one guy anymore and more of a possession, you know,

1010
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 7: less at less downfield stuff. And maybe that was more

1011
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 7: Gabe Davis last year. But you start with how you

1012
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 7: define a number one receiver. The guy who can take

1013
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 7: your best cornerback and have answers for him, the guy

1014
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 7: who can always beat pressed, the guy who can always

1015
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 7: beat brackets, the guy who, no matter what route he runs,

1016
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 7: he's just a problem. And you sort of have to

1017
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 7: take too much of your defense aligned to that guy,

1018
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 7: and now you have other guys open. That's the other

1019
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 7: aspect of it, and I think there are some teams

1020
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 7: that and I've been doing some work on this for

1021
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 7: a couple months just on the concept of needing a

1022
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 7: number one receiver as all these guys were getting huge deals.

1023
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 7: And then about three weeks ago I some quotes from

1024
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 7: Jordan Love, the quarterback of the Packers during mini camps, saying,

1025
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 7: you know what, we don't have a number one receiver

1026
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 7: per se like that alpha guy.

1027
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 6: And actually I.

1028
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 7: Prefer it because we can align our receivers in all

1029
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 7: these different ways and all these motions and condensed formations

1030
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 7: and all these things, and it's harder for the defense

1031
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 7: to have a beat on what we're doing. We can

1032
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 7: run Romeo Dubbs in this you know, frost motion out

1033
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 7: of trips on one play, and it's Jaden Reid on

1034
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 7: the next one. And you know, depending on the skill set,

1035
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 7: Dubs is running the incut and the other two guys

1036
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 7: are running the vertical routes and now it's read and

1037
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 7: it's just different ways to get your guys open without

1038
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 7: having to put so much not only resources financially, but

1039
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 7: resources on the field. Tom Brady was recently on Colin

1040
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 7: Coward Show talking about it. When you have a number

1041
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 7: one receiver, you really need to focus on getting the

1042
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 7: ball to him so he's not running a bunch of

1043
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 7: routes over and over and not catching the ball and

1044
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 7: getting frustrated. And I'm thinking to myself, well, that's great

1045
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 7: if you have a random Austin his Prime or Gronk.

1046
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 7: But you know, Brady won probably more Super Bowls without

1047
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 7: that number one receiver. He had a bunch of guys

1048
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 7: that worked well in the scheme. So moving forward, as

1049
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 7: teams are looking at resource allocation, you know, do you

1050
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 7: want to be like the Dolphins and give Tyreek Hill

1051
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 7: the deal after the trade and then give jal and

1052
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 7: Waddall the big deal. Well, that's how they want to

1053
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 7: define it, that's how they want to build it. Other

1054
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 7: teams might say, you know what, we can't really do

1055
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 7: that because we want to focus on our edge guys

1056
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 7: and our corners and our safeties, or we want to

1057
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 7: have the best offensive line.

1058
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 6: And the thing about.

1059
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Speaker 7: Paying that thirty million year AAV to one receiver, he'd

1060
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 7: better be adjustin Jefferson or Jamari Chase, because the minute

1061
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 7: he isn't, you are really stuck from a personnel perspective

1062
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 7: because you put that much room, you know, that much

1063
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 7: resource into one guy, and now, well, who's your number two?

1064
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 7: How did you build the rest of your receiver room

1065
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 7: or did you overly on this one guy? So I

1066
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 7: think teams are just kind of looking at the whole picture.

1067
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 7: I don't know that it's a trend. I would say

1068
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 7: that a lot of times. It's well, we can't get

1069
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 7: that guy, so let's just do the best we can

1070
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 7: with what we have. But I do think that the

1071
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 7: idea that you can't have a really great passing game

1072
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 7: without a number one that was kind of what I

1073
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 7: was looking at. And I think that's a bit of

1074
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 7: a Canard, I think you can have a passing game

1075
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Speaker 7: that's just fine without that alpha guy.

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00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: My question reading this article and kind of understanding how

1077
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: this has come about with the Chiefs obviously winning back

1078
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: to back Super Bowls, the Packers, like you mentioned, even

1079
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, if you don't want to include

1080
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayukaz as a true bona fie number one the

1081
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: tight end position, because I think those teams also have

1082
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: pretty good tight ends. The Chiefs use twelve and thirteen personnel.

1083
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: A Ton you mentioned that Tom Brady like you're mentioning

1084
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: that had those quotes, Tad, Aaron Hernandez had Rob Gronkowski's

1085
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: that they usually had good tight ends. The Bills with

1086
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: Dalon Kinkaid and Dawson Knox certainly should be prominent figures.

1087
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: How important actually is the tight end position in teams

1088
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: being able to go away from that true number one

1089
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: wide receiver philosophy.

1090
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 7: Right, we talked about the Chiefs and saying they won

1091
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl without the number one receiver. I mean, honestly, guys,

1092
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 7: I don't think they would have made the Super Bowl

1093
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 7: withouts Bags's defense. Yeah, I don't know if they would

1094
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 7: have made the playoffs. Without spags defense, that passing game

1095
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 7: was pretty bad, but they did have a thing. They

1096
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 7: have led the league in thirteen personnel three tight ends

1097
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 7: both of the last two seasons, which you think at

1098
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 7: the Chiefs high flying whatever, you wouldn't think so. And

1099
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 7: one of their primary concepts was to put all three

1100
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 7: of the tight ends in a tight bunch formation and

1101
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 7: have the other tight ends rolling vertically, so Travis Kelcey

1102
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 7: would have that designed opening underneath.

1103
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 6: So they're different.

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 7: As you guys know, before they gave Dawston Knox a

1105
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 7: big deal and before they you know, they really the

1106
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 7: Bills focused on their tight end position. Before that, they

1107
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty one they had the fewest snaps of

1108
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 7: twelve personnel two tight ends. In the year after that

1109
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 7: it was thirty first. Last year it went up to

1110
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 7: about middle of the pack. But they clearly see Knox

1111
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 7: and Kincaid, as you know, force's multipliers in their passing game.

1112
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 7: And you know, when I did kin Kid's tape, he

1113
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 7: was my te one in that class. He has Kelsey attributes,

1114
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 7: he can work to seem he's great on crossers. He

1115
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 7: has a dynamite understanding of how to get open in zones,

1116
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 7: how to fill those voids that are left open by

1117
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 7: zone coverage. So they've got that, and they've got you know,

1118
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 7: Kean Coleman, first round pick, big fast ball winner, struggles

1119
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 7: against press more than you might expect, but he wasn't

1120
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 7: pressed a lot in college because they know if you

1121
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 7: do that too much, the guy's just gonna god Zilly

1122
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 7: or former back and then you have a problem. So

1123
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 7: when you look at the Bills and how they're aligning with,

1124
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 7: you know, without Gabe Davis, without Stefan Diggs, and now

1125
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 7: it's Coleman, and it's Samuel and it's MVS and it's

1126
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 7: clays Chase Claypool, and they've got a bunch of parts

1127
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 7: that Joe Brady now has to figure out the best

1128
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 7: plans for and Josh Allen and I got to interview

1129
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 7: Josh about a month ago, and he was talking about

1130
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 7: all the different things that he wants to do in

1131
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 7: Joe Brady's offense and how it's less rudimentary, which I

1132
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 7: thought was an interesting way to put it. And so

1133
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 7: maybe Josh is more of that point guard. It's getting

1134
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 7: the ball to the open guy and maybe through condensed

1135
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 7: formations which the Niners and the Packers and the Chiefs

1136
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 7: love to do and the Bills don't do a lot.

1137
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 7: They prefer to spread it out. But however you do

1138
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 7: it getting those guys open through scheme as opposed to, oh, well, gosh,

1139
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 7: we don't have a number one guy, So what are

1140
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 7: we going to do?

1141
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 6: Now? Can you number one guys come you tight ends?

1142
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: Sure?

1143
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 7: Or they're part of the distribution and you don't have

1144
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 7: a number one guy. And as Jordan Love posited, it's

1145
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 7: actually an advantage because there's nowhere to really focus at

1146
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 7: the snap. It could be any one of five guys

1147
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 7: and that becomes tough for a defense.

1148
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that kind of leads me into my next question,

1149
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: because I think you've seen enough of Josh Allen on

1150
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: tape to know that even in year six of his

1151
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: career last year, there are still times when he leaves

1152
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: the pocket too early or it doesn't or unnecessarily does.

1153
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: So do you believe that this approach that Joe Brady

1154
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: is undertaking with this receiving corps can also in turn

1155
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: help Josh play within structure more.

1156
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 6: Sure?

1157
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 7: And you know part of that was and we don't

1158
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 7: really know what Joe Brady's offense is going to be

1159
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 7: when you replace the coordinator halfway through the season, you're

1160
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 7: just whip sawing it together. You don't really know. And

1161
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 7: Josh intimated to me when I talked to him a

1162
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: month ago that there are going to be a lot

1163
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 7: of different aspects of this offense. You would expect that

1164
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 7: to be so so how that works, we'll see a

1165
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 7: lot of those You know, when quarterbacks leave the pocket

1166
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 7: to are there are number of reasons for that person one,

1167
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 7: but we talk about coverage stacks and coverage pressures. If

1168
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 7: you're too reliant on that number one guy or even

1169
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 7: the number two guy and you're like, oh gosh, my

1170
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 7: first read is gone. Now my second read is gone.

1171
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 7: But if the reads are based on receiver talent or

1172
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 7: receiver ability to get open as opposed to if I

1173
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 7: can run through quick reads, and this is something that

1174
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 7: brock Perdy, by the way, was really good at. And

1175
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 7: it's one reason that and I would agree that brend

1176
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 7: and Ayuk is more of a one A than a

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 7: true alpha dog. But it's one reason the Niners passing

1178
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 7: game works so well is pretty could just clock through

1179
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 7: his reads very quickly. And he knew because he had

1180
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan that those reads were going to be open

1181
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 7: within the structure of the play. For the most part,

1182
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 7: he didn't get nervous feet. He didn't start to flip out, thinking, well,

1183
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 7: it's about half or half my first read is going

1184
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 7: to be open. That's when any quarterback gets into trouble.

1185
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 7: I don't care if you're Tom Brady, it's going to

1186
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 7: be a problem over time. So it's it behoves Joe

1187
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 7: Brady to scheme these things open and have designs that

1188
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 7: give Josh that quicker not easy read necessarily, but quicker.

1189
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 7: And I know you guys wanted to talk about defensive

1190
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 7: tackles too, and that quick pressure right up to you know,

1191
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 7: there's so much more quick game the Bills are. I

1192
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 7: have the RPO team. There are a lot of quick

1193
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 7: there's a lot of quick game going on. So a

1194
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 7: lot of times it's not the pressure because the pressure

1195
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 7: doesn't have time to get there. It's and this is

1196
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 7: true for any great quarterback. As I said, it's not

1197
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 7: just the new guys. If all of a sudden the

1198
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 7: picture is muddy, you know, it happens to Mahomes. It

1199
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 7: just things start to break down. So as as you

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 7: as you said, if Josh can have reads that are

1201
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 7: more just I know where it is, Bang, I go,

1202
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 7: and it's more the point guard mentality. The explosive players

1203
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 7: will come from that over the time. But if you're

1204
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 7: depending too much on the intermediate and deep stuff, that's

1205
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 7: where it becomes a problem.

1206
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about defensive tackles now. Kind of moving

1207
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: on with the Bills getting the breakout season from Matt

1208
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: Oliver last year after signing the big deal. They they

1209
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: draft Duane Carter in the third round out of Duke.

1210
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: Explain to the viewers and the listeners why, I mean

1211
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: we always hear about edge rushers they get the big bucks.

1212
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: Defensive tackle that position financially has really increased a lot.

1213
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: Why is that position more important now than maybe it

1214
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: was even five or ten years ago.

1215
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 7: You go back to crick game. I mean, that's really

1216
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 7: it's a pretty easy answer, because you know what, like,

1217
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 7: let's say a one to three step drop. It's one

1218
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 7: point five to maybe one point eight seconds before the

1219
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 7: ball comes out. I don't care who your edgdresser is,

1220
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 7: he's not gonna have time to get there. Maybe a

1221
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 7: pressure maybe if the quarterback floats in the pocket or

1222
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 7: goes backward in the pocket, which you never want. Maybe

1223
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 7: he can get a pressure there, but a lot of

1224
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 7: times there's just no way even if he even if

1225
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 7: the edddresser is unblocked and a razor call or something

1226
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 7: like that to the quarterback, he can't get there in

1227
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 7: one point eight seconds shortest. This between two points is

1228
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 7: a straight line. And it's why I got like Dexter

1229
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 7: Lawrence is so important. Ed Oliver has become really important

1230
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 7: in that regard. So I did a study and Greg

1231
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 7: and I, Greg Cosell and I talked about it too,

1232
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 7: about the best interior paths rushers with quick pressure against

1233
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 7: one to three step drops, and ed Oliver was on

1234
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 7: that list. He had per Pro Football Focus, who counts

1235
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 7: half sacks as whole sacks, eleven sacks and seventy two

1236
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 7: total pressures overall. Three of those sacks and eighteen of

1237
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 7: those pressures came in one to three step drops. So

1238
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 7: Egg's getting pressure against quick game. And when you can

1239
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 7: do that, that is a force multiplier in your defense.

1240
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 7: In the larger sense, I would say that defensive tackles

1241
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 7: interior defensive linemen are more important simply because they don't

1242
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 7: have to skirt the edge. They don't have to do

1243
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 7: an inside counter if they can beat the guard and

1244
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 7: get And we saw this with Brady in the two

1245
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 7: Super Bowls that the Patriots lost the Giants when Justin

1246
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 7: Tutck got right up the pocket, right in Brady's face.

1247
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 7: Brady wants to move up. So if you prevent your

1248
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 7: quarterback from moving up, you're taking away parts of the playbook.

1249
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 7: So that's why so many interior defensive linemen are being

1250
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 7: paid at a level they just weren't before. Ten years ago,

1251
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 7: it was Aaron Donald and you know, a bunch of

1252
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 7: guys making five million a year. Now, teams are investig

1253
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 7: in that position more and more because they understand the

1254
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 7: importance of quick pressure right up the middle to disrupt

1255
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 7: those the RPOs, you know, the just the quick stuff outside,

1256
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 7: the flat routes, the quick slants, all those things that

1257
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 7: go into more of the modern passing game where it

1258
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 7: is more quick game than it has been before.

1259
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: And we've seen, you know, the Bills jump into a

1260
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: turbo package and I realize they're not the only team

1261
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: to do that in obvious passing situations, but they'll move

1262
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 1: Rousseau down inside where they've got a veritable tree next

1263
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: to Oliver, I wonder. I mean, the reach there is

1264
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: the obvious asset, and just getting his hands up to

1265
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: bat a pass down can be a win on a

1266
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: given snap. But do you do you believe that with

1267
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: the difficulty with quick game, that more teams might move

1268
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: their longer, lankier ends down inside in those obvius his

1269
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 1: passing situations.

1270
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a really good point, you know. I mean,

1271
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 6: as great as JJ.

1272
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 7: Watt was and everything else, he was a master at

1273
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 7: timing those batted passes. He would get I think, you know,

1274
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 7: ten or twelve a year, and that's you're not losing yardage.

1275
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 7: But as far as the as far as the end result,

1276
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 7: it's almost as good as a sack because the ball

1277
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 7: goes nowhere. Maybe it's intercepted, you don't know. And you know,

1278
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 7: obviously defensive corniers are becoming more varied and multiple in

1279
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 7: their defensive line looks. So yes, absolutely, and you know

1280
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 7: you want those guys who can get their hands up.

1281
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 7: Ed's not a big guy. He's about two to eighty

1282
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 7: in season eight, so his job is to be more disruptive.

1283
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 7: And yes, maybe you want a linebacker mugging the quarterback

1284
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 7: and trying to get his hand up. So yes, teams

1285
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 7: will do all kinds of things, all kinds of you know,

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Speaker 7: TT stunts. The Cowboys were great at under Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 7: The Titans were great at that with Jeffrey Simmons and

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Speaker 7: Deniko Autry. So yes, you are trying to create all

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Speaker 7: different kinds of pressure in the interior where you can

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 7: get to the quarterback in half the steps, which half

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Speaker 7: the steps, half the seconds.

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Speaker 6: It's easier to do that math.

1293
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 7: Than it is waiting for your edge rusher to get

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Speaker 7: to a guy when he's throwing the ball after taking

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Speaker 7: one step back.

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Speaker 2: Last one for me, this can be quick. We've seen

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Speaker 2: the defensive tackle position, like we mentioned, financially just kind

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: of blow up over the last couple of years because

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Speaker 2: of the Aaron Donald's, the Chris Jones at Oliver's. The

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: safety position really hasn't How important do you think the

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Speaker 2: safety spot is? And I asked this because the Bills

1302
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: obviously moved on from Jordan Poyer, they draft Cole Bishop.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have some new faces at the safety spot

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Taylor Rapp, who I thought had a pretty

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Speaker 7: good year last year. It depends, well, the safety position's

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01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 7: changed so much. I noticed this doing draft prospects a

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 7: couple three years ago. All of a sudden, it wasn't

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01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 7: strong and free, it was all these safeties are playing,

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 7: generalizing a quarter free, a quarter in the box, maybe

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 7: almost half of the slot, and a few blitzes doing

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 7: a lot. All of a sudden, the slot position became

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 7: a lot more important for safeties. And I think in

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Speaker 7: today's NFL, unless you can play the deep third and

1315
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 7: eg reader and Earl Thomas level, you had better be

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 7: able to play three or four positions really well. The

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 7: Bills have always liked interchangeable safeties. I think Cole Bishop

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 7: fits that really well. But unless you're a Kyle Hamilton,

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01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 7: where you're just you're standing out that way. I think

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01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 7: the financial schism at the safety position is that the

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 7: position itself is being redefined. It's not like we used

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Speaker 7: to think of Cam Chancellor's in the box and Earl

1323
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 7: Thomas is in the third. It's more he's over here,

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 7: he's over there. The Packers, I mean they got Xavier

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01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 7: McKinney from the Giants than they drafted to do it

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 7: all safeties in twenty twenty four three new safeties to

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Speaker 7: do all these different things. Safeties are not being paid

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Speaker 7: the way they were, and the safety market tends to fluctuate.

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Speaker 7: Any I remember the same sort of thing happening about

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Speaker 7: seven years ago. I think it's fluctuating now because the

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 7: position itself is being redefined. It's sort of hard to

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 7: put a, you know, an absolute dot on what a

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01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 7: safety is. More often than not, the answer to that

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01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 7: question is what a safety is is he's a lot

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Speaker 7: of things, and he'd better be good at all of them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Because we were just talking earlier in the show,

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: talk about how you still have some pretty big name

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: safeties and corners for that matter, still out in the market.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at the start of the market opening and

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: free agency, there were twenty two starters entering free agency

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: at the safety position, and there's still probably about a

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: half a dozen left sitting out there, including Justin Simmons.

1344
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: But to your point, it's it's the change in definition

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: of what those positions are demanding of the players that

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: play them, and maybe some of these guys on the

1347
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty can't do everything anymore.

1348
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 7: Well, I would say it also depends it's not team agnostic.

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01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 7: Every team, every defensive coordinator and every you know, you know,

1350
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 7: defensive backs coach has a different concept of what they

1351
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 7: want their safeties to do. It's not just one guy,

1352
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 7: it's how do you fit in? Well, Justin Simmons has

1353
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 7: been a great player for a long time, and all

1354
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 7: thirty two defensive staffs and head coaches and gms and

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01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 7: money guys have to figure out, Okay, well, how would

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 7: Justin Simmons, like, what does he do best at this age,

1357
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 7: at this time in his NFL career and how does

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01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 7: that fit into what we do? Or can we get

1359
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 7: a guy who can do eighty percent of that in

1360
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 7: the fourth round? Yeah, and that's you know, that's kind

1361
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 7: of where guys like Simmons run into trouble. Yeah, and

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 7: that's true for any position. Like I said, with safeties,

1363
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 7: it's just weird right now because the position is changing

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 7: it in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: No good discussion, Doug, Thanks for the time. We appreciate

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: it as always. Enjoy what you got left of the

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01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: off season here. It's gonna come up fast.

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Speaker 6: Yes it is. Thanks gentlemen, appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 1: That's Doug for our editor and NFL writer for USA

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: Today also does the X's and O's podcast with our

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: good friend Greg co Sell. Yeah, that's the rub for me, Chris.

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01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: It's the Bills are clearly going in this direction, at

1373
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: least for right now without a true alpha dog number

1374
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: one receiver. Digs is out the door as we know,

1375
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: and there's one hundred and thirty six targets that have

1376
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. But are those targets easier for

1377
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: Josh to make decisions on? Because I was struck by

1378
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: what Jordan Love said in Mini camp in Green Bay,

1379
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: a guy that played all of last year without a

1380
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver and did especially well down the

1381
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: stretch last year, and he said it's easier for me

1382
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: because I quote, can just play the.

1383
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: Play exactly or not thinking of, oh we haven't thrown

1384
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,879
Speaker 2: to Digs, or we have been thrown to Cape Davis.

1385
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: I was struck even more so from what Jordan Love said,

1386
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: and the proof was in the putting with how good

1387
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: he played down the stretch last year and into the playoffs.

1388
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: Tom Brady going on Colin Cowhard, like Doug mentioned, I

1389
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: thought he was going to say, oh, we never really,

1390
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: but he mentioned when we had Randy Moss for as

1391
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: good as they were together, he admitted full out like

1392
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: when he was on the roster, I would get into

1393
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: this second quarter and be like, oh, man, he only

1394
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: has four targets. He probably wants more that you think,

1395
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: with all the keep him happy, Yeah, with all the

1396
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: processing that must go on within the quarterbacks head in

1397
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 2: the blink of an eye, to also have ooh should

1398
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: I look? Should I stay on digs an extra second?

1399
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: And then it's a sack. I think that hearing that

1400
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: from those quarterbacks, Jordan Love being a guy playing that's young,

1401
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: and Tom Brady being the legend that he is, indicates

1402
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: that Yes, it does kind of ease the tension for

1403
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: a quarterback a little bit to be able to just

1404
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: spread the football around and not worry about which number

1405
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: he's throwing.

1406
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: But then, by the same token, by going to this approach,

1407
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: you are putting more responsibility on Brady with scheme for

1408
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: sure to have answers. Yeah, yeah, Joe Brady had to

1409
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: have answers for Josh Allen by getting guys open through

1410
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: scheme to a certain degree too, I think we can

1411
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: all agree Shakira is a good separator. Samuel, for the

1412
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: most part, is a pretty good separator, but not everybody

1413
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: on this roster at the receiver position is So is

1414
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: more being put on Brady now to scheme that? And

1415
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: what level of experience does he have? Because you know,

1416
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: you can go back to twenty twenty when he's the

1417
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: OC in Carolina, he's got DJ Moore, Robbie Chosen, Curtis Samuel.

1418
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: You could argue DJ Moore is a number one. I

1419
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: would say that now, yeah, yeah, But back then I

1420
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: went to look, you know, and granted, this is with

1421
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey only playing three games out for the rest

1422
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: of the season with an injury. DJ Moore one hundred

1423
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: and eighteen targets goes sixty six for eleven ninety three,

1424
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: Robbie Chosen one hundred and thirty six targets goes ninety

1425
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,759
Speaker 1: five for almost eleven hundred, and then Curtis Samuel ninety

1426
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: seven targets seventy seven.

1427
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: For eight fifty one is best season today.

1428
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty good balance for sure. Which if

1429
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: you get that kind of balance here, and granted, one

1430
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: of these three is probably Kincaid and that was Tyd

1431
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: Bridgewater as a course, with Teddy Bridgewater as the quarterback. Yes,

1432
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: and McCaffrey out for the year with an injury. So

1433
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 1: I think if the Bills get that kind of production

1434
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: from their top three, like, it'll be pretty happy. And

1435
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: I think the offense will be scoring points with maybe

1436
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: even more regularity than people are anticipating.

1437
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just think in covering the entire league,

1438
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 2: and there's so much talk over the last two years,

1439
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: is brock Purty really good? Like where do we rank

1440
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: him as a quarterback? In watching the teams that have

1441
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: won Super Bowls or one division titles been number one,

1442
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: number two seats outside of the Bills, I mean, and

1443
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 2: all these teams that we're just talking about the Chiefs,

1444
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 2: I think taking nothing away from Patrick Mahomes, but Andy

1445
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 2: Reid in terms of scheming it up and getting guys open, tremendous.

1446
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan and then all of the quarterbacks or or

1447
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 2: all of the coordinators off of his coaching tree, Sean

1448
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: McVay awesome, lafleur, amazing at just you watch a Packers

1449
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: game and you're like, that wide receiver is wide open.

1450
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: It felt like even in the ascension of Josh Allen

1451
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: and this Bill's team, this Bill's offense there was not

1452
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: as many of those instances relative to the other top

1453
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 2: teams in the league. A lot of it was, like

1454
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, a fastball from Josh Allen through a

1455
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: tight window. That's why he's at the top of the

1456
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: league in those big time throw rates and overall big

1457
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: time throws where it was like, wow, that touchdown to

1458
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: Quinton Morris against the Dolphins a few years ago was

1459
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: or last year against the Giants, like as they kind

1460
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: of mounted that comeback, that was just a Josh Allen throw.

1461
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: That wasn't someone getting open. I think it is time

1462
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: now for the Bills offensive coordinator to maybe shoulder a

1463
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 2: little bit more of a responsib facilitate for the quarterback

1464
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: exactly because the other elite teams in the league, I

1465
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: think you don't really have like any of those teams

1466
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: that have bad quote unquote offensive coordinators that are not

1467
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: getting guys open. A lot of them are from the

1468
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: Shanahan Tree or Andy Reid where Patrick Mahomes is getting

1469
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: a lot of open looks throughout the game.

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01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: Break time for us here when we come back, We'll

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: crack open the tweetat to see who you believe from

1472
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: the Bill's rookie class stands the best chance to be

1473
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise in twenty twenty four. We'll get to

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 1: that when we return here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. I'm asking you

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01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: here on this Monday edition of One Bill's Live, the

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01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: rookie that will be the most pleasant surprise for the

1478
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: Bills in twenty twenty four. For some of your comments,

1479
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: We're going to crack open the tweet sheet.

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01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: Tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the

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Speaker 1: official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be busy in a couple of weeks. And we lead

1484
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: off with Backbone, who says Duwayne Carter. Everyone in the

1485
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: media is talking about how the Bills gave the Chiefs Worthy,

1486
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: but they will be talking about how Kansas City gave

1487
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: the Bills Carter by the end of the season, and

1488
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: we didn't give our picks for the rookie that we

1489
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: thought will be the most pleasant surprise. I was gonna

1490
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: pick Carter, Okay. I just see a guy who is

1491
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: a twenty three year old player with a thirty five

1492
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: year old NFL player brain I don't want to put

1493
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: too much on the kid, but just watching him and

1494
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 1: granted the pads aren't on yet, but just his knowledge

1495
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: of the game and his approach to practice. I was

1496
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: getting some Kyle Williams vibes. I could see him as

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: a guy on the second wave and they're going to

1498
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: rotate a lot backing up at Oliver. Now he's got

1499
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: some competition, but I could see him being I could

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: see him lining up next to Austin Johnson on the

1501
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: interior with that second group coming through. Maybe not right

1502
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: off the bad Week one, week two, but I think

1503
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: by week four, week five, this guy's going to be

1504
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: part of the rotation at the latest. I think he's

1505
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: showing that kind of potential.

1506
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, third round, pick two, I'll go with my two

1507
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: selections quickly. I'm gonna go Javon Solomon like that Troy

1508
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: in that he's got really long arms. He's not big,

1509
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: but he has almost thirty four inch arms, which that's

1510
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: like NFL offensive tackle length. And usually for edge rushers

1511
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 2: who are quote unquote undersized, part of why they don't

1512
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 2: succeed in the NFL is because they just aren't long enough.

1513
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: When you're five to eleven six foot six one. You just

1514
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: don't have the length he has, like unusually long arms.

1515
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 2: The pass rush moves are there. He led the college

1516
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: football in sacks last year. The pressure creation rate was

1517
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: right around fifteen percent, which is not astronomically high, but

1518
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: it's good enough to indicate that he can continue that

1519
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: once he gets to the NFL. And I think the

1520
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: Bills are going to use Dravon Solomon the right way

1521
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: and say, look, you're not gonna play on first down,

1522
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 2: You're not going to play in an obvious you know,

1523
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: second and short. But just let him pin his ears

1524
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 2: back to kind of be like Dwayne Carter will be

1525
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: Forred Oliver. Javon Solomon can be eventually, maybe not. Week

1526
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: one can be the backup to Von Miller as that

1527
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: undersized ish speed outside rusher. The other one, I'll go

1528
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: with day Kwon Hardy, the seventh rounder, four to three

1529
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 2: to eight speed, forty two and a half inch vertical.

1530
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to supplant Tarn Johnson, of course,

1531
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: but if Tarren Johnson were to go down for a

1532
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 2: couple games, I think he can. He has the quickness

1533
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: to man the slot and the returnability he had two

1534
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: punt return touchdowns last year for Penn State. So those two,

1535
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 2: a fifth rounder and a seventh rounder, I think again

1536
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: are not going to totally move the needle either way,

1537
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 2: but I think individually there'll be pleasant surprises for the

1538
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 2: Bills this year.

1539
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,799
Speaker 1: Sam on the tweets Sheet says, gotta be Ray Davis.

1540
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how much of a plug

1541
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: and play running back he will be from day one onward.

1542
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a veteran player. I think he's

1543
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: going to turn twenty five here during the season if

1544
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: he hasn't already, and there are miles on the tires,

1545
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: so it would behoove the Bills if he looks ready

1546
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: to get him in the rotation sooner rather than later,

1547
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 1: knowing his age and the position that he plays. But

1548
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: don't sell Ty Johnson short. I mean that guy is

1549
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: put together. I mean, if you think Ray Davis is thick,

1550
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: go to training camp and take a look at Ty Johnson.

1551
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: That I is put together, and the Bills like him

1552
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: because there's an explosiveness factor to his game despite the

1553
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: fact that he goes a legit twenty two twenty five.

1554
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the more interesting competitions that

1555
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: I want to watch on the offensive side of the ball.

1556
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,480
Speaker 1: I think there are more interesting battles on the defensive

1557
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: side in this year's training camp, but that's one on

1558
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball that I think could

1559
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: develop into a nip and tuck situation.

1560
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ty Johnson ran four to four flat coming

1561
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: out of Maryland in twenty nineteen, so you're saying he

1562
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 2: was two ten when he ran four to four flat,

1563
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: but at about two twenty now, he does give that

1564
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 2: explosiveness and I thought it was striking that for him

1565
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: to be signed so late in the year that down

1566
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: the stretch in the playoff game against the Chiefs, the

1567
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: Bills were not afraid to utilize. So we had the

1568
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: touchdown late in the season down the sideline with that

1569
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 2: explosive ability. So this was not a throwaway. You know, hey,

1570
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: we're going to just give him two carries in garbage time.

1571
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: They were relying on him in some key moments.

1572
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: And the other thing, too, was Latavius Murray was the

1573
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: short yardage and sub guy for Cook early in the season,

1574
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: but at age thirty three, his legs started to go

1575
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: on him around mid season, and that's when you saw

1576
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson get in there and supplant him, and then

1577
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: when it came to running in the red zone, you know,

1578
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: tight tight spaces and stuff like that. They leaned on

1579
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 1: Ty Johnson a good deal. Used him in the passing

1580
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: game too. Didn't have that touchdown against the Jets, came

1581
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: down the sideline here in the home game against the Jets.

1582
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would not just dismiss him out of hand.

1583
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a formidable level of

1584
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: competition for Ray Davis Houseman time, says javaon Solomon, I

1585
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: think the undersized narrative is overblown. He's on the shorter side,

1586
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: but he's strong and has long arms. Those things matter

1587
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: for an edge rusher. I can see him putting up

1588
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 1: five to eight sacks and getting a lot of pressures.

1589
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to argue the production number one

1590
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 1: sixteen sacks last year at Troy. And then you think, next, okay,

1591
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: where does he fit in the pecking order? Like that's

1592
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: a yeah, because you already know you have Epinessa, you

1593
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: have Rousseau, you have von Miller. So that's three right

1594
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: off the top, okay, and then from there you know,

1595
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: now you've got him in a pool with Kingsley Jonathan,

1596
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: Cameron Klein, Casey two Hill, the veteran free agent who

1597
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: came over from Washington. So he's got to outperform probably

1598
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: two of those guys at the very least, maybe all

1599
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: three in that little pool that I just mentioned, which

1600
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't think is out of the realm with possibility

1601
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: at all. You know, I think Kingsley Jonathan is really

1602
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: going to have to take a step here or a

1603
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: guy like Solomon could derail his shot at the fifty

1604
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: three man roster.

1605
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's vital, and that's why I picked

1606
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: him first, because I think when you're a fifth round pick,

1607
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: even if you have a ton of talent and have

1608
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: the production of a Javon Solomon in college, you kind

1609
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: of have to fall into the rights that suation. And

1610
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 2: this is not a team that has, you know, that

1611
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: is going to run six to eight defensive ends deep

1612
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: that are all established players, Like you're mentioning, you get

1613
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: to the fourth one and you're like, who is going

1614
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: to be that number four guy? And when you're in

1615
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: the second wave for the edge rushers, you're not necessarily

1616
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: asking and hoping for that guy to be this amazing

1617
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 2: edge setting run defender. As long as you can get

1618
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 2: a pressure or two or three or four a game

1619
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 2: in a limited role, that's getting a pretty good return

1620
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: on investment.

1621
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: Year one, David or sorry jj l K one nine

1622
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: eighty six, says Cedric van pran Granger. You may win

1623
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: the starting job and push McGovern back to guard.

1624
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: That would be can we talk about this?

1625
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: That would be like headline news. I would be really surprised.

1626
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 1: I would be surprised, and I like Van Praan Granger,

1627
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: but I would be surprised. But I want to talk

1628
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: about this because I was stunned when he was still

1629
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: available in the fifth round, being that he was at Georgia.

1630
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 2: We've talked about it before. The multiple national titles, three

1631
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: year start, three years starting in the SEC on a

1632
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: productive team facing Alabama and Auburn and LSU, and that

1633
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: just gamut that you have to face of these future

1634
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: NFL defensive tackles. And he got better in pass protection

1635
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: as he got stronger and started to, you know, become

1636
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: an upper classman. At Georgia, I thought he was a

1637
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 2: starting caliber center that the Bills got in the fifth round.

1638
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: You couple that with your moving Connoor McGovern, who they

1639
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 2: like a lot to a quote unquote new position. He

1640
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: played it at Penn State, but not much in the NFL.

1641
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna just win the job outright

1642
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: out of camp. But I do think that if Connor

1643
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: McGovern either doesn't play well or gets injured for any

1644
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 2: stretch of time, that Van pran Granger is good enough

1645
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: to maybe not be Jason Kelcey right away, but be

1646
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 2: good enough to man the fort at center if the

1647
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 2: Bills need him to in year one. Yeah, what do

1648
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 2: you think about that?

1649
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: I think they're very happy with McGovern in the pivot. Okay,

1650
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: everything we've heard from Cromer, everything we've heard from Josh

1651
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: Allen are McGovern's line calls are on point. He's got there,

1652
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: so they're sat there with him, and he's got the

1653
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: group like roll in, no mistakes, no mental errors, you know,

1654
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: and execution wise, he's doing fine. Granted, the pads aren't

1655
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: on yet, and I guess maybe we'll learn more at

1656
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: that point and obviously in the preseason, but man, you

1657
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: couldn't ask for a better fallback plan than Van pran Granger.

1658
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: And that's knowing that you still have will Clapp in

1659
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: the fold. You know, a veteran that comes over from

1660
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: the Chargers who started a ton of games at center

1661
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: as well. So it's an embarrassment of riches for all

1662
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: intents and purposes. David on the tweet, he says, I'm

1663
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: expecting the top five picks to contribute. My pleasant surprise

1664
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: is Solomon. Mason says day Kwon Hardy will be our

1665
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: punt returner and he can step in as a backup

1666
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: slot corner. I could see Buffalo using him the same

1667
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: way the Patriots to use Marcus Jones on defense, offense,

1668
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: and special teams.

1669
01:25:58,560 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: Fascinating.

1670
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I know about offense, but okay, I'll listen to that.

1671
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: And then Brian says double dipping for the D line

1672
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter and Javon Solomon, Why I get the feeling

1673
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: they're overlooked and dismissed by many pundits and fans. That

1674
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: brings low expectations, and there's a path for both of

1675
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: them to exceed projection the Osiris Torrance model, if you will. So, yeah,

1676
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: I like those two, and we've talked about both of them,

1677
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: so no need for us to expand. It's nice to

1678
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: know that you've got some fans out there with their

1679
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: ear to the ground on some of the Yeah, these.

1680
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: Ten picks, they're picking some fifth and six rounders.

1681
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: I like it. Got to take a break here, But

1682
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: some final thoughts from the tweetchee when we return here

1683
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,360
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Speaker 1: with you for one more segment. Wanted to get some

1694
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: final thoughts on the tweetsheet out to you, as we've

1695
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: been asking you today, what rookie do you believe will

1696
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: be the most pleasant surprise for the Bills in twenty

1697
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: twenty four? Connor says Cedric Van prand Grainger. I think

1698
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: it's safe to say the majority of the draft picks

1699
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: selected before him will make an impact in one form

1700
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: or another. Grainger provides the offense with options. Chromer will

1701
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: be able to teach this kid to be an NFL

1702
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: center and have a long term impact. They were cross

1703
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: training him. I mean, Chromer cross trains just about every

1704
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: offense in what Gardens has, and yeah, it was cross

1705
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: training him at guard and VAMPRAYK. Granger in an interview

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Speaker 1: with the media even said, you know, coach Cromer thinks

1707
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: I can play some guard too, said he's happy to

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01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: do that and never did that in college. He was

1709
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: strictly a center. But yeah, the more you can do.

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01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: So there you go. And we've already kind of sung

1711
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the praises of Van Praying Granger, but some good suggestions

1712
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: there from the fans and we appreciate that. The one

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: other thing that I did July fourth weekend, first time ever,

1714
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: I saw Janet Jackson with the missus. It was her

1715
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Mother's Day gift, so I took her to the show.

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01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: It was out of Darien Lake on July fifth.

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01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 2: Er at least got a great line up this summer.

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01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: How was she She was good? I mean for fifty

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: eight she can still perform. I will say that some

1720
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: people were a little disenchanted because she she did have

1721
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: some backing vocal tracks to her, saying it is her

1722
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: on the backing vocal treading. I think it's partially because

1723
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: she still does a ton of chance. She's moving around,

1724
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: so I think she probably gets a little bread. Yeah,

1725
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: she's fifty eight, you know, legend, So there were a

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01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: couple of times where you know, the backing track had

1727
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: to kind of carry her. But when she was singing,

1728
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: I think she was singing legitimately. There were some people

1729
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: that are like, shit, didn't sing a note of that show.

1730
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: I would respect respectfully disagree. And she's still performing like

1731
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a performer.

1732
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: She's not staying in front.

1733
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: Of the mic. Oh yeah, she's moving and grooving. I mean,

1734
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: the four dancers she had, they must have lost about

1735
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: ten pounds and waterweight because they didn't stop the whole show.

1736
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: Is unbelievable. But yeah, she's still kicking it at fifty eight,

1737
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: So good for her. I know there's a lot older

1738
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: artists out there. You know, Springsteen still plays for three

1739
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: hours and what is he seventy five? Yeah, I mean,

1740
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: I know there's others out there, but she did a

1741
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: nice job, so that's cool. Kudos to Janet. That's all

1742
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Speaker 1: for us today. I will be in here tomorrow and

1743
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker will be back. My thanks to Chris Trapasso

1744
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: for helping us out. But that's it for a Monday

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01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live. We'll see you tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: one