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Speaker 1: Order a fresh show. It's the honorable judge.

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Speaker 2: Kiki is hereaway, Kiki, all right, let's get into the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: It says, Hey, Kiki, am I wrong for refusing to

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Speaker 3: give my ex husband his last name back? I was

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Speaker 3: married for ten years. I took his last name, built

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Speaker 3: my entire career with it, degrees, business license, social media,

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Speaker 3: It's literally my brand. Then he had a full blown affair,

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Speaker 3: so we divorced. Now he's engaged to a woman that

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Speaker 3: he cheated with, and suddenly he wants his last name back.

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Speaker 3: He says, it's disrespectful that I'm keeping it while he's

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Speaker 3: starting a new life. Apparently it's making his fiance uncomfortable. However,

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Speaker 3: I'm the one who carried the trauma and the paperwork

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Speaker 3: with his last name. I told him I'm not rebranding

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Speaker 3: my entire existence because of his new relationship. I'm also

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Speaker 3: planning to adopt and still use the last name like

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Speaker 3: we had originally planned before he cheated. He says, I'm

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Speaker 3: obsessed in using his family name for clout and my

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Speaker 3: mom says I need to let it go.

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Speaker 4: But what do you think? Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: H you judge kicking I'm a little torn on this one,

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Speaker 3: not gonna lie. At first, I was like, girl, get

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Speaker 3: the man back his last name, Like you know, when

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Speaker 3: I divorce you, I don't want anything from you at

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Speaker 3: this point, like get out of here, scram I can

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Speaker 3: go back to my maiden name. But when she says

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Speaker 3: that she's built a business, she is on her degrees,

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Speaker 3: it's a part of her brand. I don't know, like

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Speaker 3: ten years in a game, maybe that is her last name.

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Speaker 4: Maybe she does get to keep the last name.

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Speaker 3: I certainly wouldn't be worried about how you're the woman

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Speaker 3: you cheated on me with feels, I wouldn't care at all. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, on one hand, I'm like, maybe she should

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Speaker 3: just get over it and give it back. But at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, she did put in a

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Speaker 3: lot of pain, sweating tears into that last name, and

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Speaker 3: if it has become a part of her identity, I

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Speaker 3: don't think he can just say give it.

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Speaker 2: Back, Okay. So you guys are the jury, by the way,

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Speaker 2: eight five three to five. I tend to agree if

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Speaker 2: you give someone your last name and they have it

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Speaker 2: long enough that they've changed everything, right, They've changed all

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Speaker 2: their documents, they've changed their credit cards, they've changed their everything,

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Speaker 2: they built their business around it.

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Speaker 1: That's now their name. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: You should have thought of that, you know, before you

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Speaker 2: gave somebody your name, and certainly before you cheated on them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you have much of a leg to

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Speaker 2: stand on here. That is now their identity.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, right, and your new woman doesn't get to determine

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Speaker 3: when it's time to give it back.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people, I understand when you have children,

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Speaker 3: that adds an extra layer, you know, the kids. I

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Speaker 3: want the same last name as my kids, and you know,

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Speaker 3: the teachers know me as that name, or the other

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Speaker 3: students know me as that name. So I get that.

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Speaker 3: It's always you know, you get to keep the last

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Speaker 3: name in that scenario. But in their case, they don't

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Speaker 3: have any kids, and she's actually planning to adopt and

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Speaker 3: still use the last name for the baby. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: do you see yourself ever remarrying though, you know, or

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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of torn on that. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean they all get to have the same last name. Yes, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I mean as far as the fiance is concerned, Like

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Speaker 2: if she wants some kind of ownership over being his wife,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, especially considering if that was

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Speaker 2: And granted he played a role in that too. I'm

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Speaker 2: not blaming it all on her, but like you had

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Speaker 2: to know this was going to be a complication, right,

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Speaker 2: This wasn't a simple path. So I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I anymn know. No, Hey Rebecca, how you doing? Good morning?

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Speaker 5: Good morning, how are you doing great?

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Speaker 1: Kiki's court? What say you?

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Speaker 5: I say, she gets to keep her the last name

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Speaker 5: of her ex husband because she had worked really hard,

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Speaker 5: she has the degrees, and to flip it, I work

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Speaker 5: with a lot of doctors who got their doctrines and

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Speaker 5: their degrees before they got married, and they keep their

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Speaker 5: maiden names because they established their career with their maiden name.

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Speaker 5: They got their degrees, their doctrines with their maiden name,

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Speaker 5: and there's never been an issue with it. So I say,

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Speaker 5: because she's gotten all her degrees with her married last name,

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Speaker 5: she should keep it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a branding thing too, Like if

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Speaker 2: she builds a business around this name, then she has

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Speaker 2: to go rebrand everything because the woman that cheated with

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it's okay for the mistress to feel a

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Speaker 5: slight bit of uncomfortability because she created the situation with

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Speaker 5: the man she was about to marry. So you made this,

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Speaker 5: you deal with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't get to call the shot. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Rebecca.

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Speaker 4: Yep, you're welcome to a good day.

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Speaker 2: Don't give somebody your name if you don't want to

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Speaker 2: run around town using it forever exactly if you're going

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Speaker 1: Hey, Lisa, good morning, Hi Lisa, good morning. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Kiki's cord.

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Speaker 6: I was in the same scenario, and I kept my

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Speaker 6: last name for some of the same reasons.

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Speaker 5: Everything was in my name.

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Speaker 6: I had a career, my name, and I kind of

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Speaker 6: felt that he chose for the marriage to end by

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Speaker 6: his action, this is not my it. So I felt

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Speaker 6: like I had the right to that name. I earned

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Speaker 6: it and with the years of marriage, and in my scenario,

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Speaker 6: I had children, so I didn't want them to have

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Speaker 5: So that was just another layer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole thing. I mean, the paperwork involved

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Speaker 2: with that and all the rest of it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine how how layered it is.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big thing. And yeah, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to accept the fact that they're going to have it

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Speaker 2: for or at least be aware of the fact they

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Speaker 2: may have it forever. Correct and run around and do

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Speaker 2: whatever they're going to do with it. And that's now,

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Speaker 2: that's part of what you thought was a good idea

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Speaker 2: at the time.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, exactly, Thank you, Lisa. I have a good day.

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Speaker 1: All right, you too, But glad you called. Hey, Sherry,

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Speaker 4: I'm good?

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Speaker 7: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Cherry? Great?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for Carlin, thanks for listening to being part of

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Speaker 2: the thirteen. So this woman who wrote into Kiki's chord,

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Speaker 2: she is in a situation where her ex husband, who cheated,

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Speaker 2: that he cheated with, who he's now going to marry,

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Speaker 2: wants to be the only one with that last name. Sorry, lady, Okay,

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Speaker 2: don't care about you.

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Speaker 1: Nope, nope, nope, no. You know what.

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Speaker 8: First of all, he cheated, he doesn't have a right

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Speaker 8: to tell his ex anything at this point, and if

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Speaker 8: the new woman is upset about it, well, that's just

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Speaker 8: too bad. She got involved in a relationship she shouldn't

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Speaker 8: have gotten involved in, and the ex has the right

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Speaker 8: to do whatever she wants. Personally, I would ditch the

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Speaker 8: But if she's built a life around it, she wants

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Speaker 8: to keep it, she has every right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I wouldn't really want the name anymore.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, what does the

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Speaker 2: cost in opportunity costs? What does the branding cost?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: I mean, how much time is he going to take

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Speaker 2: for me to mess with all this? Why should I

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Speaker 2: have to do it? Because you couldn't keep in your pants?

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Sherry, have a good day.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Love you guy.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I wouldn't want the name, but I got

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Speaker 2: it now. Hey Michelle, Yeah, hi Michelle. What do you

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Speaker 1: Welcome?

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 9: I just want to say.

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Speaker 7: Tina Turner went to court to say, all I want.

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Speaker 1: Is to let me keep my name. She owes that man.

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Speaker 5: Nothing she gets to keep her name is her name.

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Speaker 2: So I was mean to her, and then he also

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Speaker 2: tried to get his name back.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she went to course. She let ike have everything.

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Speaker 3: She was like, I only want the name, and that's

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Speaker 3: because she built that career as Tina Turner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if she becomes Tina Schmidt all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, no, it doesn't do that. Yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: yeah it is Michelle. Thank you, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, you too, glad to call. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Hey, Nicole, Good morning, Nicole.

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Speaker 2: No one good morning. No one's saying anything else. Everyone

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Speaker 2: seems to agree on this one.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's because those are the facts, right.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So you're in the same camp and said she gets

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Speaker 1: Sorry, too bad, Yes, sorry, not sorry.

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Speaker 7: But he's the one who messed up. And he knew

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Speaker 7: when he married her that she was getting her degrees

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Speaker 7: and doing her business and all this stuff in his name.

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Speaker 7: And he didn't care.

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Speaker 2: Then, right, he didn't have any problem with that being

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Speaker 2: associated with that at the time. Right, But now he

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to little girl, I want.

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Speaker 7: It sure, And I would almost guarantee if he hadn't

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Speaker 7: had an affair, she might she might be willing to

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Speaker 7: do it. But I think at this point she's just

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Speaker 7: like you earned this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true. Thank you, Nicole, have a good day.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I hope you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you a text.

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Speaker 2: Tell him to take her last name since he was

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Speaker 2: a little bee that cheated.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Nikki. How you doing? Good morning? Oh, good morning.

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to say, my dad end up marrying

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Speaker 10: his mistress like twenty years ago, and my mom never

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Speaker 10: changed her name back to like mattress me and my

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Speaker 10: brothers and stuff, and my stepmom's still super mad about

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Speaker 10: it twenty years later and still talks about it.

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Speaker 1: So good for my mom though, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not really concerned with what's

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Speaker 2: best for you.

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Speaker 6: The mistresses always care, you know, And it's like you

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Speaker 6: have no rights, Like.

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Speaker 2: I'm right, it's brown, brown, right, second, right, and you

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Speaker 2: get to live with what it feels like to live

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Speaker 2: in my shadow.

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Speaker 1: That's what you get.

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Speaker 10: If he wants her to change her name back, she

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Speaker 10: should go and like destroy the name then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry that happened, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, have a good day telling at home and

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Speaker 2: her glorious last name. All right, Dwayne, Dwayne wants to

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Speaker 2: play Devil's advocate.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 9: It's not exactly what you think I'm thinking, Okay, is

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Speaker 9: it because of the cheating that most of these people.

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Speaker 5: Are killing this friend.

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Speaker 9: Well maybe because of the rebranding in the in the Okay,

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Speaker 9: here's my take on it. Actually I do agree. But

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Speaker 9: in the same situation, what if she was the one

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Speaker 9: that she did, but she still had the branding, she

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Speaker 9: still put the work in all that with the doctor,

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Speaker 9: but for some reason she was the one that she did.

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Speaker 9: I think his name back. I think the brand or

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Speaker 9: the cheating.

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Speaker 2: If I'm if I'm getting married and you're taking my name,

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Speaker 2: then I have to accept the fact that that you

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Speaker 2: may never change that, no matter what you do, and

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Speaker 2: no matter what I do, you may never change that

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Speaker 2: because that's your legal name now.

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Speaker 1: So that is just something I think we all have

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Speaker 1: to accept.

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Speaker 2: It's a risk that you take with marriage. I think

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Speaker 2: you know so, I think it goes either way. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the cheating makes it so. I don't have

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Speaker 2: any sympathy for you. But I think more importantly like

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Speaker 2: that for ten years, that's become her identity. Why should

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Speaker 2: she change it now unless she wants to. It was

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Speaker 2: probably a big ask at the time, and maybe it

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Speaker 2: was his ask, even to change your name. Oftentimes it

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Speaker 2: is the dude that's like, I want you to take

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Speaker 2: my name. So then so she did it, and then

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Speaker 2: he changed his mind and now he wants something different.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that's her obligation to go back.

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Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And he hung up. That was enough. He had enough,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne had enough. He's done with that. He said what

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Speaker 1: he said, he spoke his peace and hell up. So

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 3: Well I think we all agree. Then, yes, I'm not

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Speaker 3: changed for a life. I don't even I don't even

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Speaker 3: have a real idea yet.

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Speaker 4: My name because you cheated?

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Speaker 1: Are you taking his name?

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Speaker 4: Something like that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: On Facebook?

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Speaker 4: Facebook grab girl?

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Speaker 1: So not really but kind of. Man, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to the d m V eventually.

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Speaker 4: I just changed my address from my parents out.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you change your last name, then the tollway

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Speaker 2: will stop asking you for money.

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Speaker 9: You know what?

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Speaker 4: Are you on something?

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Speaker 7: Out?

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Speaker 1: Don't think you don't think you're a different person.

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Speaker 9: In silent