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Speaker 1: I listened to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen a heart.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of the Blackout Tips podcast.

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Speaker 2: Your host Rod and and we're live on a Monday afternoons,

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Speaker 2: a great quarantine Monday out here, guys, just out here

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Speaker 2: practicing social distancing and having a pretty socially distant guest

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Speaker 2: right now. Okay, guys, he's coming through you through the internet.

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Speaker 2: If you guys arelive in the crowdcast, you're seeing them.

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Speaker 2: If if you're listening later on the podcast, you're hearing them.

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Speaker 2: It's the one and only Mike Kaplan, who you guys

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Speaker 2: should know from his stand up album Vegan My Mail.

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Speaker 2: He's been a guest on our show several times. He's

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Speaker 2: uh has his own podcast, Broccoli and ice Cream Hang

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Speaker 2: Out with Me. He's had I mean, he's had so

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Speaker 2: many podcasts. He's been a frequent guest on Keithan and

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Speaker 2: Girl are one of our favorite shows.

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Speaker 3: It's Mike Kaplan, stand up comedian. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for having me. I am

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Speaker 4: I can confirm in a different place than you. It's

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Speaker 4: not like you just turn the camera that's on you

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Speaker 4: and look at me where we're in. I don't even

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Speaker 4: know what building or city or state you're in. I

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Speaker 4: probably could have done some research, but I am very

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Speaker 4: happy to be quote unquote here. For the people watching,

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Speaker 4: it's like only like probably a split second delay from

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Speaker 4: right now. And if you're in the future, hello, I

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Speaker 4: hope it's I hope it's better. I mean, no matter what,

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Speaker 4: even if it's great right now, there's many things that

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Speaker 4: are great. There's many things that are other things as well,

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Speaker 4: But right now I am certainly grateful to be talking

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Speaker 4: to you, communing with humans who are carrying nice people.

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Speaker 4: So thanks so much for having me and saying nice things.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Mike, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I figured the way the show is gonna go

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Speaker 2: is we'll probably just mostly talk to Mike and you

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Speaker 2: do like interview stuff, you know, Mike. We'll ask probably

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Speaker 2: like four to five questions. A couple of hours later

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Speaker 3: Mike.

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Speaker 1: But you right right now, you have an album coming.

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Speaker 2: Out called A k A All Killing the Side. Can

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Speaker 2: you tell people about May the eighth? So you know, guys,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to leave the house to like risk coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: To get it, you.

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Speaker 2: Can go online and get the album of you know,

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Speaker 2: hopefully saving yourself.

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Speaker 1: And all your loved ones. And you can also give

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Speaker 1: it electrically.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can go to blondemedicine dot com slash

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Speaker 2: aka to get it.

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Speaker 3: Mike, what's what's the new album about?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for setting me up perfectly. It's true.

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Speaker 4: I am not traveling to do comedy these days. I'm

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Speaker 4: doing a lot of shows online. I'm I'm also available

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Speaker 4: for a pickup and delivery. So if you come to

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Speaker 4: you can pick up my delivery, I guess, is what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And yeah, So the album is called AKA

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Speaker 4: it is. I've been working on it for several years.

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Speaker 4: I recorded it last year. I brought it to Edinburgh

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Speaker 4: to the Fringe Fest. The year before that, it was

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Speaker 4: called All Killing aside at the time, we decided, in

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Speaker 4: these times of uncertainty, disease, death, sadness, that having out

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Speaker 4: of context, if you see the name, maybe the word

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Speaker 4: killing might jump out and it might.

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Speaker 1: Not be your fake.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you're like, I want to escape from that, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, all Killing a side, or maybe it'll

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Speaker 4: know a lot of people are suffering, but all killing aside,

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Speaker 4: let's have some fun. Missus Lincoln, you know what else

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Speaker 4: did you think of the play?

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing?

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Speaker 4: And so it was in context the album The Hour

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Speaker 4: is it is about essentially not murdering. It's a out

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Speaker 4: so calling it all killing aside made sense to us.

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Speaker 4: But then I talked with my album's producer and my mom.

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Speaker 4: My mom was like, ooh, killing, I don't think that

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Speaker 4: We're calling it AKA, which stands for all killing aside.

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Speaker 4: Also for my mom, it stands for All Kidding Aside

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Speaker 4: and also it stands for also known as SO. It's

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Speaker 4: an alias for the album that was once the It's

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Speaker 4: like Prince, like the artist. I'm the artist formerly known

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Speaker 4: as Michael Kaplan spelled normally, and the album is the

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Speaker 4: album formally known as All Killing Aside AKA AKA and

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Speaker 4: SO I. I think that's basically the end of this.

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Speaker 4: Ask me anything again. My name is Michael Adam Kaplan.

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Speaker 4: The album is called AKA, SO this has been my

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Speaker 4: AKA m A k A m A I thank you

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Speaker 4: for asking. It does come out on May eighth, which

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Speaker 4: does also have the MA in it. It's my girlfriend's birthday,

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Speaker 4: so if you want to do a girlfriend a birthday

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Speaker 4: that triangulates.

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Speaker 1: And it can be pre ordered right now.

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Speaker 4: Whenever you're listening to this, it can either be pre

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Speaker 4: ordered or it can be ordered. It's either order or

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Speaker 4: pre order, which is chaos. This is kind of chaos,

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Speaker 4: but it can be you can be on your way

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Speaker 4: to ordering. If you pre order it now via iTunes

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Speaker 4: or Apple Music, you'll get the first track immediately, and

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Speaker 4: then each week until the album comes out, you'll get

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Speaker 4: another track, and then on May you'll get all seventeen tracks.

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Speaker 4: So if if any of this has been the kind

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Speaker 1: It's full of jokes that are from what I'm saying now.

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Speaker 2: Uh now it's embarrassing to even approach like hey man,

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Speaker 4: Oh it's all the more sweet. I have a few things.

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Speaker 4: I really do feel like your estimate that you would

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Number two, I've never been mad at you.

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Speaker 4: are like before I look at the internet, at the news,

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Speaker 4: at social media, I just start with, you know myself,

437
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Speaker 4: a kind of centering thing. For some people it's prayer.

438
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Speaker 4: For me, it's meditation. And I read this thing once

439
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Speaker 4: by a guy named Alan Cohen. He has like a

440
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Speaker 4: lesson a day book, and one of the lessons was

441
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Speaker 4: that think about how the formative years of a child's life,

442
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Speaker 4: of a human's life is like they're so important, you know,

443
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Speaker 4: to get the nutrition and to get.

444
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Speaker 1: The care and the love and the shelter.

445
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Speaker 4: And clothing and physical touch and you know, emotional well

446
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Speaker 4: being everything. If you don't have all of that, you

447
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Speaker 4: might not be as nutritionally like healthy as you need

448
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Speaker 4: in you know, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual ways. And so

449
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Speaker 4: the formative years of the life are important. And this

450
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Speaker 4: guy Alan Cohen says the formative minutes of each day

451
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Speaker 4: are like that too. If you start the day by frantically,

452
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Speaker 4: you know, scrolling through an infinite web of disaster, then

453
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Speaker 4: that'll start your day on one foot. But if you

454
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Speaker 4: start the day, you know, as peacefully as you can,

455
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Speaker 4: at least for the first you know, few minutes, five minutes, ten,

456
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Speaker 4: twenty thirty, whatever you can do, if you have the

457
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Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, if you don't have to get

458
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Speaker 4: up and zoom out to a job, if you can,

459
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Speaker 4: if you're in your home and you don't have to

460
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Speaker 4: do something immediately, It's such a valuable thing to be

461
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Speaker 4: able to start have the formative minutes of the day

462
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Speaker 4: form you know, set the tone for the day. Be like,

463
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Speaker 4: h just like you know, take a breath, like I

464
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Speaker 4: haven't done in the past twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Since Carol, What we're you gonna say?

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, do you think that drug deals

467
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Speaker 5: are done more openly now? Because you know, like you said,

468
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Speaker 5: it's like a drug deal, do you know, like real

469
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Speaker 5: drug dealers are like, hey did you get did you give.

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Speaker 1: Them a package? All right, I'm gonna hit around the corner.

471
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Speaker 2: It's kind of weird though, because like also the cops

472
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Speaker 2: simultaneously have like more to be afraid of of like

473
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Speaker 2: regular people, right because we could just like cough on them.

474
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Speaker 2: But then they also have like more, they have like

475
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Speaker 2: less to do, so I wonder like it's crime like

476
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Speaker 2: way worse like if like if you did a crime

477
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Speaker 2: now they're just like the police just sitting there in

478
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Speaker 2: the corner waiting already, like yeah, it's about crime thirty.

479
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Speaker 1: I can't believe I have to do this.

480
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Speaker 2: There's nothing else or they just like are they just

481
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Speaker 2: like you know what, let them deal drugs. I mean

482
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Speaker 2: they don't have masks. I you know, I'm okay. I

483
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Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing out there.

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Speaker 5: It's better than having to walk astide with no pants on,

485
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Speaker 5: so kudos, it's true.

486
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Speaker 1: I did read.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's it's sort of a double edged sword

488
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Speaker 4: that with more people in their homes, like I read

489
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Speaker 4: that isis even was like we need to be concerned

490
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Speaker 4: about the coronavirus and that murders are down. The murder

491
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Speaker 4: rate is down though unfortunately because so many people are

492
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Speaker 4: at home together. If you live with a domestic.

493
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Speaker 1: Partner, domestic violence is up. So it's I mean not

494
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Speaker 1: a thing like oh, you know, like this is it?

495
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Speaker 4: There are the good things, don't make the bad things better.

496
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Speaker 4: They just all kind of exist simultaneously. That there are

497
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Speaker 4: some like there's a comedian Tony Deo who is has

498
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Speaker 4: this hilarious joke.

499
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Speaker 1: I love him. Tony's very funny.

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Speaker 4: He went on and he talked about whatever the maybe

501
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Speaker 4: Hurricane Andrew, hurricane something that hit New York some you know,

502
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Speaker 4: some years ago, and he said he I forget what

503
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Speaker 4: the numbers are, but it said he looked at the

504
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Speaker 4: new the news said, hurricane the hurricane has killed this

505
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Speaker 4: many people in New York today, maybe like it killed

506
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Speaker 4: eighty people in New York today.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, that's that is tragic.

508
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Speaker 4: And then he's like, but I'm gonna look up how

509
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Speaker 4: many people normally die every day in New York from

510
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Speaker 4: just the various natural causes and accidents. And it was

511
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Speaker 4: a higher number. It was like one hundred and twenty.

512
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Speaker 4: So he's like, this hurricane saves lives.

513
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Speaker 1: Save forty lives, right.

514
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Speaker 4: Like by the numbers. So the numbers, of course don't

515
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Speaker 4: say anything. And like so even if like I don't

516
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Speaker 4: know what the numbers are like for you know, every

517
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Speaker 4: day in New York compared to Corona. But obviously there

518
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Speaker 4: are marginalized communities. There are you know, suppressed and compromised people.

519
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Speaker 4: There are the elderly, and you know, my girlfriend has

520
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Speaker 4: asthma and she is concerned that you know, anytime she

521
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Speaker 4: gets sick, it affects her lungs. And so there's certainly

522
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Speaker 4: there's different people suffering in different ways all the time,

523
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Speaker 4: and it's it's good that we're doing all that we can,

524
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Speaker 4: everyone who can to help protect not only themselves but

525
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Speaker 4: also you know, the people who have to keep going out,

526
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Speaker 4: the heroes at grocery stores and hospitals and all all

527
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Speaker 4: of that. And like you said, I I hope I

528
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Speaker 4: would imagine that the police are less active because of

529
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Speaker 4: less people out, less you know, less crime less people

530
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Speaker 4: like even criminals, even like even criminals you know, quote

531
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Speaker 4: unquote you know people who are who would be like

532
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Speaker 4: punching each other, you know, for whatever reason. Like it's

533
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Speaker 4: funny to see like in movies now, like watching movies

534
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Speaker 4: in this time that were filmed of course, like even

535
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Speaker 4: more just more than a month ago.

536
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Speaker 1: I'm watching it. I'm like, don't touch each other, what

537
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Speaker 1: do you stay away?

538
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: What?

539
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Speaker 1: Don't even punch them? Just do something else?

540
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Speaker 4: Like like so how much we've adapted, so I assume

541
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Speaker 4: that there's fewer that like there's just let there's everything

542
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: has kind of thankfully it necessarily slowed down. And so

543
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Speaker 4: glad glad that I mean, unfortunately, you know, there still

544
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Speaker 4: are the people who are in prison are still in prison,

545
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Speaker 4: and the guidelines of like bail and sentencing are you know, they're.

546
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Speaker 2: Letting some people out, and like in Charlotte, in our city,

547
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Speaker 2: they let some people out.

548
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Speaker 3: Charlotte, North Carolina. That's where we're at.

549
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Speaker 2: Gotcha, So they let some people out here, but you know,

550
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Speaker 2: obviously not necessarily enough.

551
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Speaker 1: And then there's also like this thing too where like.

552
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Speaker 2: I saw the police a video of police on like

553
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Speaker 2: it was a subway. I want to say Philly or

554
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Speaker 2: New York, and I think it was Philly because there

555
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: was like a rule like you have to have a mask,

556
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: and this guy didn't have a mask and they were

557
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Speaker 2: like thirteen police.

558
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Speaker 1: Dragging him off the subway. He'll be like, you gotta

559
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Speaker 1: get a mask on.

560
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Speaker 3: And I was thinking to.

561
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Speaker 2: Myself, like what if police handed out masks.

562
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Speaker 4: I saw that literal somebody posted maybe it's in England

563
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: or some other country. It was like here you get

564
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 4: harassed by the police for not having a mask. There

565
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 4: the police are handing out masks. Yeah, who don't have masks?

566
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: It seems like the simplest thing. It's like an analogy

567
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: like to like when I was a kid, and you'd

568
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 4: be like talking and you'd be like whispering, and the

569
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: teacher would kind of yell at you sometimes and be like, Hey,

570
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 4: if you want it to be quiet, why don't you

571
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: not yell you know what I mean, Like you're not

572
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: modeling the behavior if you, hey, don't don't threaten people,

573
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 4: don't yell at people, don't harm people to who don't

574
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: have mass when the goal is the mask is to help.

575
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 4: The mask is to help people be safe and healthy

576
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: and protect everyone.

577
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: So like it more than ever.

578
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Speaker 4: The idea that like punishing crime like the goal of

579
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Speaker 4: like rehabilitation is a lofty one. The goal of like

580
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Speaker 4: helping people, you know, like not hurt themselves and not

581
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Speaker 4: hurt each other.

582
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Speaker 1: That's if that's that's.

583
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Speaker 4: What we're trying, that's the that that has to be

584
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: the goal.

585
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Speaker 1: Uh.

586
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Speaker 4: The other thing I just thought, which is much less

587
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: important than what we're talking about, but I am imagining

588
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Speaker 4: like a lot of heist heist movies coming out of this,

589
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 4: and it's just like everybody has masks and they're like,

590
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: the people call the police, the police show up in

591
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 4: a mask, a mask. They're like, what do they look like?

592
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: They look like they have masks. It could be you,

593
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: it could be me.

594
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: We're all suspects. No one even has no one even

595
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Speaker 1: has a gun. They just walk out.

596
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Speaker 5: It's like, and you're making me think, my, how about

597
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: they come in and they actually clean before they row.

598
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: We don't know if this person has coronavirus.

599
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 4: Right, just put all the money in the bag, but

600
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: first put all of the hand sanitizer on the money.

601
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Speaker 1: Drop the hand sanitizer on the bag. Did your brain

602
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: and clean axes?

603
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: Now drop the bag and move six feet away. I'm

604
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: gonna pick up the bag, all right. Oh it's kind

605
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: of It's kind of interesting too, because, like to pass

606
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Speaker 2: the time, I've been like watching a lot of stuff.

607
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: So, like I watched.

608
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Speaker 2: Netflix this series called How to Fix a Drug Scandal.

609
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: It was about the people who work in the labs

610
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: that test drugs for the police to so, like, you know,

611
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: you get arrested with suspicion of drugs, right, they put

612
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: you in jail. Well, they send your drugs, They send

613
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Speaker 2: the stuff they confiscated from somewhere to be tested in

614
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: order for them to know that it was actually drugs, right,

615
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: because it could just be soap or whatever. And so

616
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: what was happening was there was we covered this on

617
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Speaker 2: the show, but this is for one hour episodes of

618
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Speaker 2: a documentary, which made it much more like in depth

619
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Speaker 2: than we could possibly do, right, And we just kind

620
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: of covered like the big steps. Right, We're like, wow,

621
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Speaker 2: this woman got caught doing drugs while also testing the drugs.

622
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Speaker 2: That seems like that's not a good thing.

623
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Speaker 1: And that could have been.

624
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Speaker 2: Thousands of people's lives that were all affected by that, right.

625
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Speaker 2: And then there was another woman, and I had gotten

626
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: them confused, but there's two different women. There was another

627
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: woman who just straight up was like doing four times

628
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Speaker 2: as many drug tests as everyone else because she was

629
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Speaker 2: just cheating the system. She would oh so like she

630
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: would take like one thing tested and then apply the

631
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Speaker 2: like you're supposed to test. Like say say, say there's

632
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Speaker 2: a I don't know, there's like a car a small

633
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: baggie of drugs, right, you test that, and then you

634
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: tested against like six seven other different agents and all

635
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: this different stuff just to verify that it's correct. She

636
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: just find like one positive and it just boomed for

637
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: the like fill the whole sheet out and just be

638
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: like all of it is positive, right, right, And so

639
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Speaker 2: it was interesting how they went into depth with that

640
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: because like the one woman she was like, she got

641
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Speaker 2: addicted to drugs. Okay, her name was Sonya. Sonya got

642
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: addicted to drugs, and then she would do the drugs

643
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: she was testing and then fouled the report whatever, and

644
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: then like the by the time they would even like

645
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: catch up to some of the stuff, drugs are missing,

646
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: drugs are misfiled, she's you know, she's uh taking drugs

647
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: and like pouring water into drugs to cover her tracks,

648
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: like crazy crazy stuff.

649
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: And then this could have been such a hero, you know,

650
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: just doing all the drugs and then saying, nope, no

651
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: drugs here, what drugs?

652
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Like they just come in. She's got like cocaine and drugs.

653
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: What don't there were no drugs. I didn't getting drugs

654
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: this morning. If that's what you mean. Anyway, I'm gonna

655
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: go outside and do jumping jacks. But she was she

656
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: got like so it was interesting, right, because the other

657
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: woman was like I can't remember her name any something,

658
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: but she was just like straight up, everyone was like

659
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: what she did was wrong, Like she was basically forging

660
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: drug tests and clearly sending people to jail that may

661
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: not have even had drugs. And she also was very

662
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: chummy with the prosecutors and stuff. They were even back

663
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: and forth.

664
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: She was she was married.

665
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: At one point she created a fake email account and

666
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: ordered it to a guy she was interested in and

667
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: pretended like she wasn't married.

668
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: So she just had like some serious, severe issues.

669
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: But this other woman, what I found interesting is the

670
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: crux of their story was there was a lot of

671
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: sympathy for her because she became an addict. She was

672
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: addicted to drugs, and she was doing all the drugs,

673
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Like the drugs came in, she was giving it a shot,

674
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like at one point she

675
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: said she did like LSD and so she was tripping

676
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: while also doing the drug testuff. So she was like

677
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: and her thing was like, yeah, in her mind, she

678
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: was like, listen, I know all the work I did

679
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: was above board, even if I did the drugs. I mean,

680
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: I means it must mean there were drugs, right because

681
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: I did the drugs, they were, right, But then.

682
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: Nadi she was she did the LSD and then she

683
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: hallucinated that there were drugs everywhere right right.

684
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: I was like, what, like, Like at first I was

685
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, I guess that makes a weird

686
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: kind of sense.

687
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: But then when she said she did LSD, I was like,

688
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't make as much sense as you.

689
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Think, because what if you did have a trip and

690
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: just like everyone's doing drugs or you were just sitting

691
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: there like no one's doing drugs.

692
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: All the colors.

693
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said at one point she was doing crack

694
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: and she would like take the She didn't know how

695
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: to do crack. She just it's like every time she

696
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: would just try drugs. So she had to like make

697
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: her own crack pipe, which she didn't really know how

698
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: to do. And then she never had smoke drugs, so

699
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: then she like went and started figuring out a way

700
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: to smoke drugs using aluminum fall and she would go

701
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: to the bathroom to smoke the drugs, and then they

702
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: have another room that like pulls fumes up so that

703
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: people can't smell it, so she'd go in there and

704
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: smoke the drugs and all this stuff. She like dropped

705
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: them on a bathroom one time, and she was like

706
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: she was tripping because she was doing like LSD and

707
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: crack and she didn't know if she really dropped it,

708
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: and it was like someone's gonna walk in the bathroom

709
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: and she cracked, or if she like made that up

710
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: and there was.

711
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: No crack on the ground.

712
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: So she was like searching and couldn't find it, and

713
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: she was like, I don't know what's real. But all

714
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: the stuff to say she was doing drugs from like

715
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: two thousand and four to what she got found out

716
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: in about like twenty thirteen, I think something like that. God, yeah,

717
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: maybe twenty fifteen. I think that's when we were talking

718
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: about on the show.

719
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: And so they like kind of covered it up.

720
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: They said, oh, she was only doing drugs for like

721
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: six months, but because she was an addict, she was

722
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: going to like different like addiction associations, and she kept

723
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: a journal, and the journal went back to two thousand

724
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: and four, so like when she had the job, she

725
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: was on drugs. They don't do drug testing all this

726
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: stuff right now. All that to say, the argument was, well,

727
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: everyone she convicted should stay in jail because they're a criminal,

728
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: and she should not have to go to jail much,

729
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: or her work shouldn't be that impugned by too much

730
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: because she's an addict. And it's funny how the designation

731
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: of criminal and addict for the same crime essentially right,

732
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: because hey, you drove a car on drugs, you should

733
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: go to jail. You tested drugs on drugs, the results

734
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: of what you're doing should be calling the question the

735
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: same way we were calling the question a driver driving

736
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: a car on drugs. But the disconnect was so like huge,

737
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: and it was so weird because like this legal system

738
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: that wanted to keep these quote unquote criminals in jail

739
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: also wanted to keep her above question right. They wanted

740
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: to be like, no, her work is fine, we don't

741
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: need to look into it, nothing's wrong with what she did.

742
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: We don't want to vacate any of these cases. Okay,

743
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: that work is fine, nothing's wrong with that. And then also, guys,

744
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: she's an addict, Okay, she needs help, she needs our sympathy.

745
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: These people need jail, they need prison and don't need

746
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: to come out and they but they don't need our sympathy, right, Yeah,

747
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: And that's what when Mike brought up the whole thing

748
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: about social discision in jail and letting people out of jail.

749
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: It's funny how people go criminal. You're in jail, criminal,

750
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: no sympathy. But most of the people in jail aren't

751
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: there for drug offenses, nonviolent crimes, not being able to

752
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: pay warrants and fines and things of this nature. That

753
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: should not be a reason to let someone get coronavirus.

754
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

755
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: And also shouldn't be a reason even without coronavirus, that

756
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: people should be held, you know, if they can't afford

757
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: even like you know, the minimal like bail, the the whole,

758
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: the whole bail process. I started volunteering with a group

759
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: in New York called Court Watch NYC. And we go

760
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 4: when when possible and the before times, we would go

761
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: into the courtrooms during arraignments and watch as DA's like

762
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: it was just the.

763
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: Beginning of cases.

764
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 4: Uh, and they we would like just take down the

765
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 4: demographics of like of the accused of and uh basically

766
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: what the crimes were a cue, what they were accused of,

767
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 4: and what the bail requests were. Because like, bail laws

768
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 4: changed at the beginning of this year in New York,

769
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: so we're making sure like it's to hold them accountable

770
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: for like because DA is like there's no record of

771
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: if nobody's there watching, Like they don't just write down

772
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: and release like these were the cases and this is

773
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: what we offered, and this is what the defense said,

774
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: and this is what the judge said. So we just

775
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: take notes on all of that and then it's compiled

776
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: and then used to hopefully help, you know, spread the

777
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: word and make make it so that there is more

778
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 4: accountability in the system. And like I learned more about

779
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: like the history of bail itself. I mean, like it's

780
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: to make sure like you're innocent untill proven guilty, and

781
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: bail is before you've even had your case, Like it's

782
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 4: the actually you come back to court for your case

783
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 4: when you're innocent, before potentially being proven whatever you are,

784
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: you're an innocent person. So there's so many people innocent

785
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: in jail because they can't afford the bail.

786
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: And most people, I think the statistics show.

787
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 4: Most people don't run, most people come back to their

788
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: court case. Most people show Like that's why the bail

789
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: laws have changed, and it's good that they are continuing

790
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 4: to change a lot of places to be like, Okay,

791
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: do you promise to come back, or else we put

792
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 4: you in jail for more. Like most people are going

793
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: to come back. Most people aren't just running away from

794
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: most crimes, because some of them are like they took

795
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: a soda from the store, or you know, they like

796
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: pushed somebody when they were drunk or whatever. It is,

797
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: like so many of the things aren't like you know, murders,

798
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: like most crimes. Most crimes are less of a big deal.

799
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: And like and certainly for drug offenses, like when they're

800
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: when you're the only victim of your own crime, like

801
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: those things shouldn't be crimes like at all. Like there

802
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: it's literally victimless. And we see especially in this case

803
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 4: like two thousand and four to twenty thirteen, this person

804
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: was on drugs the whole time, didn't die, Like most

805
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: drugs don't kill you. They can certainly, you know, cause

806
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 4: your life some some some great hassles.

807
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: But some of that is also like the legal.

808
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 4: Things, like if you can't seek treatment because you if

809
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: you would want to seek treatment, because otherwise you'll be criminalized,

810
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: like everybody here like deserves to be if you want

811
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: to not be addicted to drugs. Everyone deserves sympathy because

812
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: it's it's potentially a disease. And the fact that they're saying,

813
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: of course, the point that you made that they're giving

814
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: like she deserves sympathy, other people don't just like, no, oh,

815
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 4: you were almost there. If he deserves sympathy for doing

816
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: this this thing, then these other people who did that thing.

817
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, white supremacists. Patriarchy does everything

818
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 4: that it can to just make everything okay. But we're

819
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: just gonna like stretching and conforting to be like, well, okay,

820
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: the system can't be the problem, right, And like, in

821
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: addition to her being like because the one woman who

822
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: was like, I mean, both women were quote unquote criminally negligent,

823
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: but the one woman who seemed to be more like

824
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck about these people.

825
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: I like, if like prosecutors are literally emailing her and

826
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: being like, hey, can you.

827
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Rush the drug test on these people? These are some

828
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: really bad guys.

829
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: We want them off the streets, and you're not supposed

830
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. And then if a

831
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: defense attorney would email her and be like, hey, my

832
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: guy is doing such and such and this drug test

833
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: result we want to like call it in the question,

834
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: So can you da da da da. She would then

835
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: email the prosecutors and be like, can I respond to

836
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: this or should I just ignore it? You know, stuff

837
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: like that that shows that she's not like an unbiased

838
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: part of the system. She's a biased part of the system.

839
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: So like she was like kind of patently really messed up.

840
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: But then this other woman was kind of.

841
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: Just like, she's she's an addict.

842
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: She is a she's a white woman. The other woman's

843
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: brown like Indian, So she's an addict.

844
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: She's a white lady.

845
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: She's you know, uh, you know, her tests are a

846
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: little bit more like quote unquote reliable because she is testing.

847
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: Drugs, but then she's using the drugs.

848
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: But still, even with all that, the thing I really

849
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: love was that the defense attorneys for these people who

850
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: were they were like, we need these incarcerations vacated. Many

851
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: of the people, keep in mind, were out of prison

852
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: by the time she's been doing this for ten years,

853
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: so many of the people had taken they'd served their time,

854
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: they were out of they were out of jail, but

855
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: they had this on their record.

856
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: So now, you know, having a record.

857
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: In America basically means you're not hirable in many ways.

858
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: You can't, you can't live certain places, things of this nature.

859
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: So what she what they wanted was just vacated. But

860
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: I appreciated the defense attorneys because they did have this

861
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: sympathy for her that didn't feel like because she's a

862
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: white lady. It's like, no, we have this sympathy for

863
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: our clients because they've done crimes quote unquote, but you know,

864
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: sometimes it's because they're on drugs.

865
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: It's because they'reddicted to stuff.

866
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: They like, if many of them are fighting to get clean,

867
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: you're not gonna find that in jail, and that's why

868
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: we're fighting so hard.

869
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: And so their sympathy for her.

870
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: I understood, Like I like, I appreciated their ability to

871
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: see her humanity and see everyone's humanity. But then the systems,

872
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: like the prosecutors, the g the a D or whatever

873
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: those people DA they were like, no, no, no, she's human,

874
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: not the rest of these people. And that was the

875
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: conflict that bothered me.

876
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that makes complete sense. It's funny

877
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: that the funny that the DA, like they when you

878
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: think about a court case, how they call it, they say,

879
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: it's the people versus the DA represents quote unquote the people.

880
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: They are the one I mean, like, who are the

881
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: We're all the people and if anything, like I'm on

882
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: the side of the innocent people, like the system versus

883
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: the which people.

884
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: It's all of us.

885
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: And here's another quick thing, like I obviously I haven't

886
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: watched the you know, the series or the documentary that

887
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: you're talking about, but uh, and so maybe this is addressed.

888
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: But I work, I volunteer or I'm a member of

889
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: this Park Slope food co op in my neighborhood in Brooklyn.

890
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: And sometimes one of the jobs that's necessary to do,

891
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: like everybody who shops there works there, does something like

892
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: once a month, uh, is when a cashier gets done

893
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: with their shift. Uh, there's like, uh, we we count

894
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: how much money they have in their thing and then

895
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 4: that then you know how much money. And two people

896
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: are always involved. So I'll go with a cashier. I

897
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: don't do cash a cashier job, but I go with them,

898
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: and then we count the money, and there's we're always

899
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: both there with the money at the same time because

900
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: just it's not like we don't trust a specific person,

901
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: but it's just like, hey, it's good for two people.

902
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: If money starts going missing, then they were like, oh,

903
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 4: who was who was working?

904
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Who was accountable?

905
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 4: And so I feel like in that drug lab, like

906
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: if they just had two people working, I mean unless

907
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: it was they'd be like starting to get addicted in twos.

908
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if that was like hey, you

909
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: well that was That's what was crazy.

910
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: They hadn't had an audit in over ten years, what right,

911
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: like they want and the time they had an audit,

912
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: that's what. She poured water into drugs because she was

913
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: so scared. She was panicking because she's like, this is

914
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: the one thing I didn't expect someone's checking the drugs, right,

915
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: she poured water into drugs. The drugs she had poured

916
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: it in was like an only type drug, so the

917
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: water and the drugs.

918
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Separated so you could see the water in the drug.

919
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: But the person checking it apparently just thought that the

920
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: drug had degraded over the years and that the sample

921
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: was like this was just an erosion of the sample,

922
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: and they just threw it away.

923
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: And then the other thing was there were four.

924
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: People working in the lab, four doing all of this

925
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: testing for Massachusetts. Three of them did test and then

926
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: one of them did intag basically, so you basically have

927
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: zero oversight.

928
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: The lab was in sterile.

929
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: It's nothing like I think there's an image of the

930
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: criminal justice system that we are sold right through TV

931
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: shows and yes, side yeah, you know, you watch Miami

932
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: CSI and the guy can like put on a special

933
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: set of sunglasses in the lab and like take a

934
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: picture of like tire tra it'll show you, like and

935
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: that's a nineteen.

936
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Eighty four Plymouth. You know they can do that.

937
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: And so in our minds, it's like this this thing

938
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: that's happening where like all the cops and all the

939
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: people are like like diligently working and so smart and

940
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: putting it all together. And then in real life you

941
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: look at this ding ass lab, You're like, how was

942
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: how every how was not every sample corrupted?

943
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: Where was the oversight? Why weren't things double checked?

944
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: How can someone just like you know, take one hundred

945
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: grams of cocaine and it's missing and no one ever

946
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: knows that, like things like this should not happen in

947
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: a world where you're where this is the outcome of

948
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: someone's life.

949
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: And I think for me, what's so funny is that

950
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 5: somewhat like that that's very important, Like drugs don't get

951
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 5: audited me at my normal, regular ass job, and I've

952
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 5: had multiple double Sometimes you get audited multiple times a

953
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 5: year by the federal government and or a company that

954
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 5: your company hired to audit you to be sure that

955
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 5: you can pass the federal shit.

956
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: And when they audit, they check for random shit.

957
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: They check for any flaws, they check for shit that

958
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: don't look right. They'll you know, because we've had audits

959
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 5: where they'll find like a glitch and then they are

960
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 5: next thing, you know, the rules change people's permissions to

961
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 5: the system, change.

962
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: All types of shit. And this is just for a

963
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: regular that has nothing to do with drugs.

964
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: Now, nothing to do with drugs, but something like this,

965
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 5: there's life and death and people going to jail that

966
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: I fuck it, We'll check it whenever we feel like it.

967
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand that.

968
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was insane, man Like I tell people, man like,

969
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: check those type of documentaries out every once in a

970
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: while if you can stand it.

971
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I know it makes some people get so mad they

972
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: can't watch it.

973
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming you for that.

974
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: I just I just there's certain things in my life

975
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: I would really like to be informed because I need

976
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: to know. This is happening because to a certain extent

977
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: that that anger and that vigilance is fueled by.

978
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: That, and that's kind of what you need in order.

979
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: To to continue to kind of like make people accountable.

980
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: As Mike said, you know, so you can be like, hey, guys,

981
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: this is this is terrible, and this is what this is.

982
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: You know, because I think one of the things, you know,

983
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: I make jokes about it, but one of the things

984
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: I think when people hear like prison abolition, what.

985
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: They hear is like, get out of jail, free, free,

986
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: Nothing's going to happen to people.

987
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: And I think, and it's also because sometimes that's the

988
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: way it's sold online, is like, you know, because it's

989
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: hard to sell nuance and some long winded thing online,

990
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: it's easier to be like, you know, let everybody out

991
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: and then everybody goes no, you like, let a lot

992
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: of people out, and like, okay, maybe maybe a lot

993
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: of people.

994
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: Some people the innocent people.

995
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: Okay, can we start with some people in there shouldn't

996
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: be in there? Yes, that's probably true.

997
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm listening.

998
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: Who's to say, I mean, the system, right, And so

999
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: it's like watch this documentary, you'll see like how this

1000
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: system works. Because it was very result oriented, by which

1001
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: I mean once we had the result of guilty, they

1002
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: were done with these people. It didn't fucking matter if

1003
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: they it didn't matter if everything that got them to

1004
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: the guilty part was wrong. We have you in custody.

1005
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: Now you're in somewhere where we control you. We're gonna

1006
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: do as much as we can to make sure that

1007
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: doesn't change.

1008
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: That's a win for them, and they don't want to

1009
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 4: take that win off their record. Yeah, even though they

1010
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 4: won for the wrong side. It's like I heard a

1011
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: thing once about like relationships, like if you're in let's say,

1012
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: the wrong relationship, like a relationship that's harmful to you

1013
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 4: or certainly not as not just not as fulfilling, but

1014
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: like you know, isn't good for you. But we we

1015
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: have the ideal in our society. A lot of people

1016
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: do of like that it's good to be in a relationship,

1017
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: even to be in one. I feel like Chris Rock

1018
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: has a joke where he's like, better to be in

1019
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: a bad relationship than no relationship, and that's maybe he's

1020
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: being facetious, but certainly the truth is I would say

1021
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: that's I mean, and it's so complex and I'm doubling

1022
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: back on everything. But they're definitely relationships that it would

1023
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: be better to not be in. Like some people are

1024
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: feel alone when they're alone. Some people feel alone or

1025
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 4: lonely when they're in a relationship, and that's worse. And

1026
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: so the analogy I heard is like, imagine like a

1027
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 4: ladder up a building and you've gone, You've climbed up

1028
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: this ladder, and you like, that's what I do and

1029
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: you get to the top and you're like, oh no,

1030
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 4: I'm on the wrong building. So even to be on

1031
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: the right building, you can't jump, You got to go down.

1032
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: You got it seemingly undo. You're like, but that's going backwards,

1033
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: but it's going backwards down the wrong path, so it's

1034
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: actually right to go, but you're you're moving forwards towards

1035
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 4: the right ladder against the right house, so you can

1036
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: be on top of the right building. And so similarly,

1037
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: these you know, if you have quotas or if you

1038
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 4: have a system where you're like, we did it, we

1039
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 4: got these guilties, we got even if but but they're

1040
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: not wouldn't it be better to undo a notic of

1041
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 4: the person the like they.

1042
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 2: Culminated in this like it's really like dramatic moment where

1043
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: like the defence attorneys finally were getting their day in

1044
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: court in like supreme court or whatever. Right Like it

1045
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: was like like they were in like the state supreme court.

1046
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: They had to fight it that long, like and you know,

1047
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: people have died at this point, people have like done

1048
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: their sentences and been out all this stuff. And he

1049
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: was asking the I think it was the DA and

1050
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: then the person who was over the States trial of Sonya,

1051
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: the woman who was a drug addict who worked in

1052
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: the lab, and the judge kind of was looking at

1053
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: the work of the original trilogies like you guys kind

1054
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 2: of prosecuted her and gave her eighteen months without ever

1055
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: looking into what she did wrong. Like it's just kind

1056
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: of like her saying, I did some things wrong, and

1057
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: they were like, we'll take your word for it.

1058
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: Eighteen months, you know.

1059
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, because so, yeah, we didn't look because if we looked,

1060
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: we were sure we would have found stuff that then

1061
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: we would have had to we didn't want to do.

1062
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we work, We're not.

1063
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: Gonna go back fourteen years, So how long you been

1064
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: doing the job on drugs?

1065
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Six sounds good to us.

1066
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: So that that was how they kind of did it,

1067
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: and so when and then, of course, you know and

1068
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: our justiceism prosecutors. Prosecutors are supposed to hand over whatever

1069
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: accident evidence they have to defense attorneys. I think it's

1070
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: called exculplatory evidence or something something. So it's like, this

1071
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: evidence might not help our case, but it's the truth

1072
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: and the and the point of of a trial is

1073
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: to get to the truth. So yeah, this might not

1074
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: make our client look that great, here's the evidence we

1075
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: have from your side, and the defense attorneys are supposed

1076
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: to do vice versa right now. Obviously it doesn't always

1077
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: work like that, but in this case, they had evidence

1078
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: of like from her car that was saying like her

1079
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: taking files home, her her her journal and stuff from

1080
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: her uh her like drug addiction, like her uh I

1081
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: forget what it was called, but like you know, like

1082
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: her therapy and stuff like you know, you know, how

1083
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: do you feel about this and how long have you

1084
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: been doing using that and did you use today and

1085
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: stuff like that. They were like, yeah, that stuff is irrelevant,

1086
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: so they didn't hand over any of that. And then

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00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: at the very end, he there's this dramatic moment and

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00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: the defense attorney had finally has like the DA and

1089
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: the assistant DA like on the stand, and he asked

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00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: her flat out, like, so did you not find this

1091
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: evidence that you didn't hand over to be relevant to

1092
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: the fact that this woman had tested all this stuff

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00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: for like fourteen years or whatever. And she was like no,

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00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: just flat out no, And it was such a blatant line.

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Speaker 1: The judge got mad, and it.

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00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: Was you know, obviously threw out all these cases and stuff.

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00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: So you know in the end that a lot of

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: people kind of quote unquote one pyod victories or whatever

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: and VIC three victories, I mean, cause that record, that

1100
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: thing on your record can really hurt your life. So

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00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: but but it was that moment where she said no

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00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: that really just like summed it all up, is like,

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: we don't want to admit this was wrong or bad,

1104
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: ad or loss, because that would mean our entire system

1105
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: was wrong and bad and and and and and at

1106
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: a loss in this situation. So they just she just

1107
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: they ended up getting like reassigned and all this stuff.

1108
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: But it was just such a like compelling documentary. So

1109
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: if you guys get a chance, check it out. It's

1110
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: called how to Fix a Drug Scandal?

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00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, how how did you how can ask it is,

1112
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 5: how did you find well, how do you find so

1113
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 5: much time to volunteer? Because talking to you sound like

1114
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 5: you have doing a lot of volunteer time.

1115
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he does a lot of outside work.

1116
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 5: It's actually really neat to hear about.

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00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad.

1118
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm happy to make it sound that way, and uh like,

1119
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: look how good I am. I actually just saw it

1120
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: yesterday my friend Ramen Naser, wonderful comedian and artist. He

1121
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: I recommend following him on Instagram. He posts these beautiful,

1122
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 4: like colorful, philosophical, psychedelic, like creative, just beautiful art pieces,

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00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 4: and yesterday's was just, like, you know, a nice scene

1124
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 4: of just one like sort of a being a human

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: holding a sign that was basically saying I think the

1126
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: sign said be good, and the guy was like.

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: All right, I've done my job. You know, I'm a

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00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: good person.

1129
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: And so I'm I'm that guy right now holding this side,

1130
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 4: Like so what before I will answer your question, but

1131
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: I also do want to offer one one piece of

1132
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 4: I think hope in a way about that. I thought

1133
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: about CSI because I heard this thing years ago that

1134
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 4: once CSI became so popular, like somebody I met who

1135
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 4: worked in like the either a CSI type of job

1136
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: or in the courts, was like, now that people have

1137
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: seen the show, they are expecting a higher, more exact

1138
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 4: standard of evidence, presentation collection. They because on the show,

1139
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: it always it's always like, aha, we have the answer,

1140
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 4: we analyze the thing, it's this person and so much more.

1141
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: The same way, the labs are cleaner, the results are cleaner,

1142
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 4: and it's in some ways a matter of statistics, you know,

1143
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: we even if it's like.

1144
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Fingerprints or whatever.

1145
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: Like certainly like physical evidence is better than like I

1146
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: think eyewitness testimony, which is like wrong at least like

1147
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 4: a massive percentage of the time. Like so many people

1148
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 4: arrested in jail because somebody said and it's just a

1149
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 4: person who didn't like them or didn't see them, or

1150
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: was racist or whatever it was like, And I mean

1151
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: that's the thing, Like let people out of jail, probably

1152
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 4: because there's so many people like not nobody like certainly

1153
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: whether or not you think people deserve to be in jail,

1154
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: And certainly there are people who have done harms to.

1155
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: People that were like what what do we do?

1156
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: Like it would be great to put them on an

1157
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 4: island where they could only hurt themselves or another person

1158
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 4: that also hurt people, whatever it is. But certainly there

1159
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 4: are people who didn't do anything who are there. But

1160
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: so that's sort of like the silver lining that when

1161
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: I was told this story, I was on the side

1162
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: of this person.

1163
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, that's.

1164
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: Horrible that you now have a harder time getting juries

1165
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: to convict people. And now I'm like, oh, what a

1166
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: beautiful life path that I've been on that I'm like, oh,

1167
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 4: that's a silver lining. Yeah, that if jury's are a

1168
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: little more have higher standards for putting people away for

1169
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 4: extended periods.

1170
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Speaker 2: It's it's like when we've taken the long way back

1171
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: to OJ Simpson's DNA trial, where it's like like like

1172
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: OJ got off because no one understood.

1173
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: DNA or trusted at the time.

1174
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: And then like but then after a while, because of

1175
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: TV and stuff, we've all gotten to the point where

1176
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: like DNA, that's it, that's that's the end of the thing. Dog,

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00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: You're going to jail, you know, And now it's like

1178
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: we're back to like, well, I don't know, I saw

1179
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: an episode of SBU and it's not what.

1180
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: You think, you know, like real life DNA evident like

1181
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: a real life like CSI my lifey like real life.

1182
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, it would be like a boring show.

1183
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: People would be like, Okay, how long does this and

1184
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: what is happening and what are they doing? But to

1185
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 4: answer your question, I mean, I'm I'm grateful that I have,

1186
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: Like you know, I don't have a day job now,

1187
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 4: I especially especially now now, I really don't have a

1188
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 4: day job. But since you know, I started doing comedy

1189
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: in two thousand and two, and I moved to New

1190
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: York in two thousand and eight, and around then is

1191
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: when I started most mostly essentially just traveling for comedy

1192
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: for my life, and so then like now, I would

1193
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 4: say I'm traveling in the before times and hopefully in

1194
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: the after times. I would say about half the time

1195
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm on the road, like maybe a few weekends a month,

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00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 4: or you know, fly out to do a few colleges

1197
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: one week and then come home, so like a few

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Speaker 4: days out, a few days back, a few days out,

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Speaker 4: a few days back.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes gone for a week or two.

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Speaker 4: But I would say, on average, you know, maybe half

1202
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 4: the time away and half the time home. So when

1203
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: I'm home, like I'm doing shows at night, but during

1204
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: the day, you know, I'm doing my own like things

1205
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: work like you know, and and non work things like life,

1206
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 4: hobbies and like over the past several years especially, you know,

1207
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: like for me, i'd say, like the twenty sixteen election

1208
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 4: was the largest wake up call in my own personal

1209
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 4: life that oh it's it's not as okay as I

1210
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: thought I was sheltered and it it hasn't been okay

1211
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: for in many ways, for a lot of people for

1212
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: a long long time. And like I love Roywood Junior's

1213
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: comedy like his his Special Father Figure where he's talking

1214
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: about like the Blues and he's like, you know, oh,

1215
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: black people have been We've been sad for a while.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've been. It's been there. We've been trying

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00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: to tell you.

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Speaker 4: And so the idea of you know that I I'm like, oh,

1219
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: what what can I do?

1220
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Speaker 1: You know?

1221
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: Started mostly you know, like I was, I always donated

1222
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: to like charities that I cared about, and and you know,

1223
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: I've been vegan for eighteen years, and have you know,

1224
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: done like fundraisers for different animal rights and different and

1225
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 4: human rights fundraise and things like what I can you know,

1226
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: I've done what I can When asked about it, but

1227
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: I've been looking into it more. And I have like

1228
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: some very good friends who have always been doing more

1229
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 4: you know in the activism world and activism circles, and

1230
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 4: so I've like asked them like, oh, what what do

1231
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 4: you do?

1232
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: Like what meetings do you go to?

1233
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: Like I have a friend in LA who goes to

1234
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: like White People for Black Lives, which you know is

1235
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: sort of like helps support Black Lives Matter in their

1236
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 4: events and experiences and actions.

1237
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: Is the word I'm looking for.

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00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 4: And so in New York, I've gone to some Surge

1239
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 4: meetings and some other you know, and I think it

1240
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 4: was through Surge that I found court Watch. And I

1241
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 4: was like, this seems like at least a concrete It's

1242
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: nice to be able to have a concrete thing to

1243
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: go to and do and be like, well, at least

1244
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: I'm incrementally adding to a cause that I think at

1245
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: least seems to be heading in a direction that makes

1246
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: sense to me, like towards like ending mass incarceration in

1247
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 4: the form that it exists today. And so when I

1248
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 4: went to do the court Watch training maybe a year

1249
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: a little over a year ago, they they said, we'd

1250
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: love it if you could volunteer, like the shifts are

1251
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: three hours, Like at least two a month would be good.

1252
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously there's it's volunteer, and so whenever I'm home,

1253
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: if I'm home for a weekend, I'll go on like

1254
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: Saturdays at two pm is one of the sessions, and

1255
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: so I can still do shows at night, but I

1256
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 4: can still contribute at that time. So if I was

1257
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: home every Saturday month, maybe I would do every Saturday.

1258
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: But so I'll either do.

1259
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's one, sometimes it's three, sometimes it's two. And

1260
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: then there's also like data entry that can happen like

1261
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 4: from home.

1262
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: So I've done some of those shifts as well.

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 4: So I guess basically, like you know, several years ago,

1264
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 4: before I started meditating, I was like meditation, who has

1265
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 4: time for that? Who has time to take ten minutes

1266
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: for myself to do nothing quote unquote to just sit

1267
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 4: for twenty minutes, like I could watch a garbage TV

1268
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: show like There's I'm not, I'm not There's they're not

1269
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 4: gonna watch themselves if they kind of will, maybe it's

1270
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 4: the future, like make AI to watch the shows. But

1271
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: I was like, now, I feel like, oh, taking that

1272
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 4: time in the day for myself or you know, for

1273
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 4: it's I hopefully it makes me more capable of then

1274
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: being able to take time in other ways for myself,

1275
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: for other people, for all of us, because I think

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01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: I mean another quote unquote good thing, a silver a

1277
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 4: silver lining of this experience. My girlfriend just told me

1278
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: the other day or today even like her friend shared

1279
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 4: with her something that a spiritual teacher had shared with her.

1280
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 4: And I don't know the original source, but it's like,

1281
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 4: don't look for silver linings, look.

1282
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 3: For the light.

1283
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: And so in this experience, like another another thing that

1284
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: light comes from or light can be shined on, is

1285
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 4: we all are in this together there, like literally we

1286
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 4: if we're in it together, we're in it.

1287
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: So stay away from it, stay away from each other.

1288
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 4: We can be positively impacted, like our health like rich

1289
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: you know. And obviously it's not just that rich people

1290
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: and poor people or white people and black people are

1291
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: impacted the same, of course, because the system is still protecting.

1292
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 4: It's just it is happening that the if you are powerful,

1293
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: then you are safer, and if you can't stay home,

1294
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: then you are not. And if you have a job

1295
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 4: where or don't have it, whatever the case is, but

1296
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 4: we are all at risk in it together, and to

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Speaker 4: protect all of us. To protect ourselves is to help

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01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 4: protect other people. To protect other people is also to

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Speaker 4: protect ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Like it's kind of the and like Buddhist thing.

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01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: The thing about the virus is that it doesn't care

1302
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: about any of the shit, you know, Like I saw

1303
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: to day and not. You know, I was gonna make

1304
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: a joke about it, but I've decided to be to not.

1305
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: But it was like a guy who did one of

1306
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: those rallies that I was like, yeah, man, we're not

1307
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: doing social distancing.

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. And he died today or

1309
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: I actually died a couple.

1310
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: Of days ago, and then it just came out today

1311
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: and I was just like, like, this shit doesn't care,

1312
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not like a like the virus

1313
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: doesn't vote, you know what I mean, Like it's just right.

1314
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: It's just they're like, ooh, let's have a d on

1315
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: R beside it.

1316
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like membranes whoo, and it's just hopping

1317
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: in different membranes regardless. Now, there are some people who

1318
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: are more at risk than others, But then to like

1319
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: voluntarily put yourself at risk it's not gonna just be

1320
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: warded off.

1321
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: By your confidence.

1322
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: It's just it's like cool.

1323
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: I would take any mucus memories I can find.

1324
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: So anyone that wants to.

1325
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: Touch their face and be very close to people, this

1326
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,479
Speaker 2: is my shit. Okay, this is what I'm into, damn.

1327
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: So it's been interesting to see that happen too. Like

1328
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: the other thing, I was gonna ask you, well, a

1329
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: couple of notes, and uh, it's funny, white people for

1330
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: black lives sounds like what slavery used to be.

1331
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: Right. It was like, I'd like, two black lives please,

1332
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: thank you? Oh yes, as a white.

1333
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: Person like, I wonder anyoneever shows up to the wrong

1334
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: meet and they're just like you guys got black lives

1335
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: for sell up here, and they're like, no, this is

1336
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: the opposite of that. And then the other thing, do

1337
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: you ever read, like I know you talked about reading.

1338
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: Do you ever read like comic books and stuff?

1339
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: Or no? I do, I will, I do.

1340
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 4: Let me just put a quick button on the reason

1341
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: I brought up the fact, the fact that we're all

1342
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 4: in this together great for its own sake one hundred percent,

1343
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: and it is also what allows me, like I now

1344
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 4: I understand how much I have, like how how much

1345
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: I've always had, Like you know, my parents were teachers,

1346
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 4: I was raised in a home like that, I had

1347
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 4: a home, I had food, I had, I was cared for,

1348
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 4: I was loved and uh and I still am in

1349
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 4: a home with a person who loves me. Like I

1350
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 4: have so much, and you know, I have a account,

1351
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 4: like so many people don't. So many people have credit

1352
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: card debt and college debt and all these things, and

1353
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 4: like I have a house. I could, based on your

1354
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: most recent question, I could turn this camera if it

1355
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 4: wasn't my laptop sideways and you'd see like a shelves

1356
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 4: full of graphic novels. I've got so much in my

1357
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 4: life that I'm grateful for, and it seems important I've

1358
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: I've learned, Like I mean, I learned in one way

1359
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 4: growing up, like my mother, you know I talked to recently.

1360
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 4: She's like we always you know, emphasized kindness, being kind

1361
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 4: to others, treating people the way they want to be treated.

1362
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 4: And then it's only in like recent years that I've

1363
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 4: gotten like more specific examples of how to do that

1364
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: of of you know, and who who can we help

1365
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 4: and why and how and how we can because I mean, society, religion,

1366
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: human nature is something that maybe divides people into like

1367
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 4: it's like black and white and you know, into right

1368
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 4: and wrong, into criminals and you know, people who aren't

1369
01:05:58,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 4: you know.

1370
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh, Mike Crozer a little bit.

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01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: Hold on, I don't know if we uh lost them

1372
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: there to me?

1373
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,959
Speaker 3: Okay and one of you not okay, Mike, Mike is back.

1374
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 2: Oh wait, hold on now, I'm like you there, Sorry

1375
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: about that, man.

1376
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 1: Oh You're all good. What's the last thing you heard.

1377
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: Let's see. Uh you were talking about being kind and

1378
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: uh oh so.

1379
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I grew up and I feel like

1380
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: that was emphasized in my home. But the specifics are

1381
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 4: what I feel like in recent years. I mean, not

1382
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 4: that my mom was just like be kind and figure

1383
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: it out, but that you know, there's all kinds of

1384
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 4: different ways. Like you know, when I was a kid,

1385
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 4: I didn't go to like political protests, but now I

1386
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 4: will go to political protests because now I'm like, oh,

1387
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 4: that's a thing that people I respect and care about

1388
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 4: h and who are active in circles that I'm like, oh,

1389
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 4: I can do that, like and not. You know, marches

1390
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: aren't the only thing that are important, but they're they're

1391
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 4: something and then these you know, different organizations, I'm like.

1392
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: It's now more more worth my time, Like you know,

1393
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: time is.

1394
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 4: A luxury that I have because of the good fortune

1395
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 4: that I've had in my in my life from the

1396
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: beginning and in my career more recently, and so it

1397
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 4: seems valuable to like it used to be like, you know, well,

1398
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 4: what's you know, it seems like there's when you're doing something,

1399
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 4: you're not doing something else, right, and so that's where

1400
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 4: sometimes fomo comes from. But if you're doing something that

1401
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 4: you think is important or valuable, either for yourself or

1402
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: someone else, because like I don't have kids, and I

1403
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 4: don't specifically plan to have kids, and so it's like

1404
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 4: at the end of this body and this life's incarnation

1405
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: like that, you know, there's nothing, no physical things coming

1406
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 4: with me. So it's it's all about the experiences that

1407
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 4: I'm having. And my friend who I mentioned before, romy

1408
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 4: and Naser had this, uh he has a Patreon with

1409
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 4: extra art, and one of them recently was about how

1410
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 4: every everything that you're doing, like you might be during

1411
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 4: these times being like, oh I'm gonna be very creatively

1412
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 4: active or if you're not, you might be like, oh,

1413
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna spend time with my family, or I'm gonna

1414
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 4: be working, or I'm gonna be you know, just trying

1415
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 4: to deal with it. Just whatever you're doing, he says,

1416
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 4: is like, that's a good a.

1417
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: Branch of who you are.

1418
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 4: That's a creative manifestation of your desires, of your you know,

1419
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: of what of who you are and what you can do.

1420
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 4: So if I'm if I see a friend who's like,

1421
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 4: I've been working, I've been working on my my comedy,

1422
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: like writing writing seven hours a day. I've been working

1423
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 4: on my novel seven hours a day. Like that's great.

1424
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 4: And even if I'm not doing that, that's okay because

1425
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 4: I'm doing my quality and quantity of work. And and

1426
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 4: also these people are doing their versions of spending time

1427
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 4: with their loved ones, being engaged in activism. And so

1428
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 4: if you know, several times a month, I have three

1429
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 4: hours that maybe I would have gone and seen a movie,

1430
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 4: like I think I think part of the answer is

1431
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 4: I just I see fewer movies now, which isn't is

1432
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,959
Speaker 4: also mostly because.

1433
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: Of the coronavirus. Because I was for a little while.

1434
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 4: I did that AMC movie you know you can see

1435
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, or a curtain the movie that was making

1436
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: see movies that I didn't even want to see because

1437
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I got to get my money's worth.

1438
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 4: But so now I'm like, I'm going to pay to

1439
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 4: see a movie when I want to see a movie,

1440
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 4: and at a time when I would have gone to

1441
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 4: see a movie just for no reason, I will go.

1442
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 4: I'll be like, oh, if I can spend this three

1443
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: hours volunteering, it seems more valuable to do like one

1444
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 4: fewer movie a month, or two fewer movies a month,

1445
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 4: or just watch the movie later at night when I'm

1446
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 4: going to go to sleep, and uh, and you I realize,

1447
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 4: like I make lists of movies that I want to see,

1448
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 4: and like years later, I'll be like, oh, these are

1449
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: movies I wanted to see in twenty fifteen. Do I

1450
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 4: still want to see them? If I do, I'll watch

1451
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,440
Speaker 4: them now. Or if I don't, great, great bonus.

1452
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah.

1453
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 4: Comic book Comic books are something that I've been reading

1454
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 4: my whole life, or at least since, Like I read

1455
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 4: Archie comics as a kid. I read like you know,

1456
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 4: teenage mu Ninja Turtles as a kid, sort of like

1457
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 4: the sanitized, colorful ones, and then.

1458
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 2: I read the black and white Teenage Meeting Ninja Turtles.

1459
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: My mom, you would take us the Bars and Noble

1460
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: and I always go to a graphic novels section, and uh,

1461
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: that was.

1462
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: I did not know.

1463
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: How hardcore they were, the original Eastman and Leeard like

1464
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: they were like cutting people's heads off, like cussing, and

1465
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: like I fell in love with that version of Teenage

1466
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: Meeting Ninja Turtles. And then like, of course every other

1467
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: version of Teenage Turtles for kids, right, so it's all like,

1468
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Lady's Little Party dude and all this stuff,

1469
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, like I was the only kid

1470
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: that was like bitter and cynical already was just like

1471
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: THO was not the real Ninja Turtles.

1472
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: Man.

1473
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 3: Okay, let me tell you about the shit man.

1474
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like the Bible, you know, right, yeah, you

1475
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 4: learn it like I went to Sunday School at my

1476
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 4: synagogue growing up, and you learn and then later in

1477
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 4: life you're like, oh, everybody was like murdering each other

1478
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 4: sex and I to America like a history like everything

1479
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 4: that's for kids is like later they're like, okay, that

1480
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 4: was just kidding.

1481
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1482
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 2: Well, like when you're a kid, you're just like yeah,

1483
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: and his wife turned to a pillar, so you're like, man,

1484
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: that's crazy salt. And then when you get older, you're like, wait,

1485
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: sodom is that where sodomy comes from? You know, like

1486
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: that type of ship. But what I was gonna say

1487
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: is this book I started reading is graphic novel started reading,

1488
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: not even graphic novels.

1489
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: A comic book.

1490
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: But I started reading it a while ago, maybe like

1491
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 2: this week. And it's called Animosity.

1492
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 4: I've seen I've seen that in the stories. I haven't

1493
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 4: read it yet.

1494
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: It like it, Oh my god, it's so so you know,

1495
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: I do eat animals occasionally, and uh, animosity is like

1496
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: what if all the animals became sentient and and and

1497
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: it kind of did fuck me up a little bit

1498
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: because I was.

1499
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 3: Like, damn, we treat animals like shit.

1500
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: But it was only like because animals aren't quote unquote

1501
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: as smart as us, but like, once the animals became

1502
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: able to relay more complex feelings about things that we

1503
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 2: do to them already because the animals could remember everything

1504
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: that was done, So it wasn't like the animals became

1505
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: sentient and from that moment on they were like, wait

1506
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: a minute, they became sentient and they were like you

1507
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: fucking sold my cubs, Like what was that?

1508
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1509
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: And so it made me think about think about you.

1510
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: When I read it, I was like, oh, man, Mike

1511
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: might want to check it out.

1512
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't you know.

1513
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: I kind of had written it off as like something

1514
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: silly because I did. It just seemed kind of like

1515
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: the covers and stuff all seemed silly.

1516
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: But now that I have infinite time, I was.

1517
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: Like, I guess I'll read it.

1518
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, this is actually pretty cool, man.

1519
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,839
Speaker 2: And even within the animals I got to an issue

1520
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: the last one I'm reading where even amongst the animals,

1521
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 2: they started having a hierarchy because there's animals obviously, you know,

1522
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: like we think cats, dogs, raccoons, whatever, right, we think animals,

1523
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: we think, But then like the bees, who are the

1524
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: most important like species on the earth, they go, we

1525
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: all go, right, And so the bees are insects and

1526
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: then there was like kind of a disregard for them

1527
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: from even other animals.

1528
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: They were like, they're insects, they don't count.

1529
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:11,480
Speaker 1: And it's like the bees.

1530
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: Became sentient so it's like it's so now it's like

1531
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: we're enslaving these if we like take.

1532
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: The queen and make our own hive and all of

1533
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: this stuff.

1534
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: So like it was just like a super deep way

1535
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: to think of the way that we.

1536
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: Kind of exist in this ecosystem. Now.

1537
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're gonna do if.

1538
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 2: The plants become sentient, because that's probably gonna really fuck

1539
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 2: everything up because.

1540
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, what are we gonna eat?

1541
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: Like what is how's every gonna live? Now?

1542
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

1543
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hear you, and I think that

1544
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 4: this kind of like you know, spectrum of sentient conscious

1545
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 4: of consciousness experience like is I mean it's real, Like

1546
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 4: you know, animals are sentient, like they have emotions, they

1547
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,520
Speaker 4: have thoughts.

1548
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 1: They they move through the world, you know, the same

1549
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: like we are animals.

1550
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 4: And so there's I think that the answer to the

1551
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 4: question sort of like with mass incarceration, you know, if

1552
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 4: you're like let them all out, like like at the extremes,

1553
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 4: it doesn't what do we do? We don't know, like

1554
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 4: how do we get here from here to there? Like

1555
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 4: because also animals eat each other like that is part

1556
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 4: of the natural order of things like the way that

1557
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 4: humans eat animals with factory farms and with unnecessary cruelty,

1558
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,799
Speaker 4: Like we don't need to eat animals at all, certainly,

1559
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 4: we don't need to torture them the way that we

1560
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 4: do before we kill them. So I feel like, you know,

1561
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 4: the the indigenous version of like the way you know,

1562
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 4: people would be aware of and thankful to, you know,

1563
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 4: the animals participation in the cycle of existence of nature

1564
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 4: of life.

1565
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm not I certainly wouldn't say that.

1566
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 4: We're all We're all nature, We're all part of nature.

1567
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 4: And it's not like it's like how.

1568
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: Are you doing? What are you doing? What are you

1569
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: going to do?

1570
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 4: And I mean also right now, like I'm a you know,

1571
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 4: I'm a person who has ingested plants for psychedelic purposes,

1572
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: and the understanding like some of it is like plants

1573
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 4: have information or wisdom or knowledge or something because like

1574
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 4: you're you're doing this, You're engaging with this plant, liquid food,

1575
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 4: drink thing, this plant consciousness is you know, becoming you are?

1576
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: Is it?

1577
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: Is it all you?

1578
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: Is it you? It's certainly you and the plant, like

1579
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: the plant is helping you.

1580
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: There's definitely a chemical reaction that's happening because of the plant,

1581
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: Like you ingested a plant, So it's not just all

1582
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: you right, It's not like if you sat down by

1583
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: yourself saying the plant you have the same experience.

1584
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: So I like, I know you, I've heard you.

1585
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: Talk about like ayahuasca or so like it's definitely you know,

1586
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: due to it's due to the chemical reaction that comes

1587
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: from doing the thing right.

1588
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 4: And so it's I think some people have postulated or

1589
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 4: theorized the idea that like maybe this is how plants

1590
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 4: are communicating well. And also like sometimes the way the

1591
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 4: cycle works in order for some plants to be propagated

1592
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 4: is they have to be like eaten and then either

1593
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 4: excreted or there's various Like I'm not I'm certainly not

1594
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 4: an expert in it, but I did have a woman

1595
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 4: on my podcast named Sophia and her last name iscaes

1596
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 4: me right now. But she wrote a book, or was

1597
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: a co writer of a book called When Plants Dream

1598
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: I Believe, And it's all about like the history and

1599
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 4: current like sort of sociology anthropology of ayahuasca and about

1600
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 4: how it's been used throughout history and about how you know,

1601
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 4: different cultures that are in the Amazon jungle now are

1602
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 4: kind of threatened by what's happening to the amazungle.

1603
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: But like there's we talked so much.

1604
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 4: About about ayahuasca and the ways in which it's sort

1605
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 4: of you know, a cooperation uh with plants, and so

1606
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 4: I don't want, you know, to be like like, I

1607
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 4: certainly don't want. I think it's important to be to

1608
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 4: be thoughtful, to be thoughtful about what we are doing,

1609
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 4: why we are doing it, and like how much we're

1610
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 4: doing it. Because certainly, even if you know you're you're

1611
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 4: living out a time when uh, you know, if you're

1612
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 4: living somewhere and.

1613
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: To live the only thing you could do is fish.

1614
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 4: Or you know, kill an animal uh long long ago,

1615
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 4: then like that's something like that's a more meaningful connected

1616
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 4: like experience of of presence with it, as opposed to

1617
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: like the way where we are now, where food you know,

1618
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 4: is either delivered or in a box you know it

1619
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 4: might not we're not even calling it Like I have

1620
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 4: a friend, my friend Sarah uh talk like asks people

1621
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 4: sometimes do you eat chickens plural, you know, as opposed

1622
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: to because even saying chicken, we're like, oh, you know,

1623
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 4: the mask the blob the substance, Right, do you eat

1624
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 4: that thing?

1625
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: That stuff?

1626
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 4: He's like, no, do you eat chickens like the animals

1627
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 4: that you are familiar with and walk around Because humans

1628
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 4: are good at I just I was on a podcast yesterday,

1629
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 4: so I'm very knowledgeable about this thing that I'm about

1630
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 4: to say.

1631
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: The one thing that I learned.

1632
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: I think there's an anthropologist named Bruno Latour who said

1633
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 4: that a good thing that humans are good at is creating,

1634
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 4: like language, creating structures, creating systems, and then immediately forgetting

1635
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: that we created them and acting like they are to

1636
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 4: be revered at, like sort of warship, and being like, like,

1637
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 4: you know, with let's say, gender pronouns, be like people

1638
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: who are like, what why do I have to learn

1639
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: a new a.

1640
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: Made up pronoun? Like every pronoun is a made up pronoun.

1641
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 4: Every part of language was constructed, So that's why it

1642
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 4: would be a very reasonable thing to learn a new

1643
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 4: one because you learned the old ones.

1644
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: Everyone was created.

1645
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 4: And so with respect to the way that animals are treated,

1646
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 4: we're like, oh, well, this is just how it is,

1647
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 4: or like with every system, this is just how it is.

1648
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 4: This this racist, sexist, homophobic system, it's just it's the

1649
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,520
Speaker 4: way it's always been. In fact, it's actually been hopefully

1650
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 4: in many ways, growing and changing and improving from generation

1651
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 4: to generation. Because there are people who answer, well, this

1652
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 4: is how it is, too well, doesn't have to be

1653
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,480
Speaker 4: that way then, right exactly.

1654
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 5: And you know what, baby, you might actually get your

1655
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 5: comic book because about the animals, because apparently animals are

1656
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 5: like coming out the wheelworks and like camping, and like

1657
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 5: the bear population doesn't survive. You've got mosses walking in

1658
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 5: the middle of the street and foxes. Like some people

1659
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 5: depend on how far in the country they are gonna

1660
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 5: come out, and they're gonna have to like fight the

1661
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 5: animals in order to get society back to running the

1662
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 5: guin Well.

1663
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: I like the book because it teases so many concepts

1664
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: that I just didn't like. Things that happened between humans

1665
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: all the time, but I just didn't think about with

1666
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 2: animals obviously, you know. Like the one of the main

1667
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: characters when it starts is like this guy, he's a veterinarian,

1668
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: and so his whole job is like taking care of animals,

1669
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: making sure they live, treating them well.

1670
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: And then this guy was making a joke about he's

1671
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: like you're a veterinarian, but like you eat burgers. And

1672
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you.

1673
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,520
Speaker 3: Know that is kind of like a.

1674
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: Contradiction but also like a thing that I've been doing

1675
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: my whole life, right, And then like later you kind

1676
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: of see through his eyes that he's a veterinarian. But

1677
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 2: then he also believes in this hierarchy of like humans

1678
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: over animals essentially, and he becomes like jealous of his

1679
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: own pet dog's relationship with his daughter because the dog

1680
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: is like closer to his daughter than he is to

1681
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: a certain extent, and now this dog can speak and

1682
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 2: express it, and you know, like.

1683
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,879
Speaker 3: So there's like all this little stuff that happens.

1684
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: Like there's a group of humans who then join up

1685
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: with animals, but then they become this alliance because they

1686
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 2: still want to eat other animals, so there's not like

1687
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: a ging, Like it's like they're together, but they're fucked up,

1688
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like so, I don't know,

1689
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: it's just it was it's like an interesting book to

1690
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: make you just think about certain shits.

1691
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it reminds me of a probably like this

1692
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 4: isn't covered as much. Like it seems like the point

1693
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 4: of that is that book, is that those philosophical ideas

1694
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 4: like BoJack Horseman is like another Yes, there's like humans

1695
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 4: and animal type humans like all interacting, and every once

1696
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 4: in a while, like they will like have a character

1697
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 4: maybe like eat or bite or like something like they'll

1698
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 4: they'll reference that these are animals who would be if

1699
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 4: they were simply animals, you know, not necessarily all getting along.

1700
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 4: And I'm always like, I wonder what they're eating for

1701
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 4: lunch in this world?

1702
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: Yah ah, Like BoJack had a solid I understand, but

1703
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: why is that tiger having a salad?

1704
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1705
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 4: And I also, uh, I was just gonna say tiger

1706
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 4: a tiger in New York. I think we're in a

1707
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 4: zoo somewhere just got the coronavirus. So's we're we're in

1708
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 4: it together. It's not even just humans like this. This

1709
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 4: virus is like, you know, uniting us all in a

1710
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 4: way that we're like, well, what do we do?

1711
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: How do we do it?

1712
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 4: But it's I mean, it's good to be made to

1713
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 4: ask these questions.

1714
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,440
Speaker 2: I'll definitely be social distancing from tigers that Oh yeah, absolutely,

1715
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 2: I've been doing that my whole life and I'm only

1716
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: seven feet Yeah, yeah, I was born for that. The

1717
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: other thing you've referenced a couple of times now that

1718
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 2: you have a girlfriend. I think we talked about this

1719
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: last time you're on, which is ages ago.

1720
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 3: But you know, are you down to just the one

1721
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 3: girlfriend now?

1722
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: Mike?

1723
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: Are you like really cutting back on.

1724
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: On the girlfriends?

1725
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Speaker 2: I know you used to like and then this is

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're not an advocate for it, but just

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: I used I know you used to be heavy into

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Speaker 2: like kind of talking about polyamory and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Great question.

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Speaker 4: I like the way that you asked, like, I'm on

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01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: a I'm on a relationship diet. I have cut down

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01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: to one and I was like, well, I gotta get up,

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01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 4: get all this. Uh like you know, you know, we

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01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 4: like to snack like, but when it gets down to it,

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Speaker 4: this is nice. I'm actually gonna take that down as

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 4: a note for a joke for later.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, cut down, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, perfect podcasting. We are my girlfriend and I are monogamous.

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01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 4: I would still say that I support like in the

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01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 4: same way there's this I've been I love this Lenny

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01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: Bruce quote. He says, I'm not a comedian, I'm Lenny Bruce.

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01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 4: And also he is a comedian, but he's not just

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 4: a comedian. And maybe sometimes he's not a comedian, but

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 4: he's always Lenny Bruce, and sometimes Lenny Bruce is a comedian.

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01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 4: And so my girlfriend's name is Reenie, and so I say, like,

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01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: we're not polyamorous, We're Mike and Renie, Like we're not

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01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 4: in a kind of a relationship, like our relationship actually

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 4: did begin. I met her when I was in another

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01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 4: open relationship. I was in an open relationship living with

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01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 4: a girlfriend. Four years ago. I met Reenie and and

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01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 4: we started seeing each other in the I told her

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 4: all about the relationship I was in, and then that

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01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 4: relationship ended of its own, you know reasons. And then

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01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 4: a yearl like we maybe six months later we after

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 4: dating for you know, sort of just still casually and

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01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 4: also seeing other people and being essentially single. She then

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01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 4: my girlfriend was in uh we stopped seeing each other

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01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 4: and for a few months she was in a monogamous

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Speaker 4: relationship with somebody else. And there was a joke that

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 4: I wrote at the time was he turned out to

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Speaker 4: be controlling and not not a good partner for her,

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01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 4: and so and there were maybe signs of that maybe

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01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 4: even in that like I was we were both everyone

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 4: was fine, like in the beginning, like we were all

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01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 4: doing our thing, and so I was like when she

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01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to be with this guy because

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01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 4: like he will only wants to be with me and

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01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't want me seeing other people. And so I

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 4: felt like I was torn because I wanted to say, like,

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Speaker 4: don't go off and be with the controlling, mean guy,

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01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 4: stay with me, but controlling nice guy. So but she

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01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 4: she had the experience of being with that person, and

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01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 4: then after that ended, we she got back in touch

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Speaker 4: with me and we started seeing each other again and

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Speaker 4: it was open for a little bit when we moved

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01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 4: in together, and just over the course of the relationship,

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01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:32,480
Speaker 4: we had conversations that eventually led us to be monogamous.

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Speaker 4: And I there are people who I've talked to who

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01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 4: are who were like, I told.

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Speaker 1: You that's the way, that's the right way to do it.

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Speaker 4: And if I had been a monogamous person the whole time, like,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't even make sense because then I wouldn't have

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 4: even stating her because I when I met her, I

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01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 4: was dating another person. So it was like, this is

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01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 4: and the point is this relationship is in some ways

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Speaker 4: I feel like there are I have, like like my

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 4: manager is an older man, Like he's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: in his maybe fifties. I think maybe he just turns

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 4: fifty and he has you know, a wife and kids

1790
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 4: and a from the outside at least, a more conventional

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01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 4: life experience relationship wise, And I remember, you know, in

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 4: so for the past decade, I'd say I was either

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01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 4: in open relationships or moving towards being in open relationships,

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Speaker 4: some monogamous things, but some it was it was like,

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01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 4: you know, I was on a journey that I was like,

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01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: open relationships seem valuable because I'd been in a monogamous

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Speaker 4: marriage and that ended, and I was like, oh, that's

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01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 4: this is I don't think I can be with one

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Speaker 4: person forever. And so I was like, so a joke

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Speaker 4: I wrote then was like, oh, so I'll just I'm

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 4: just looking for the one that will let me be

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Speaker 4: with others.

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Speaker 1: And that was my or.

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01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe I'll just be in short relationships,

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01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 4: you know, like a couple of years. I can do

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01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 4: a couple of years and then another couple of years

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01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 4: with another person. And so as it turns out, like

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01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 4: I feel like my manager was a person who was

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01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 4: like when you meet the right person that makes you

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01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 4: want to settle down, then you'll know I'm making sounds silly,

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 4: but he was like, it's just like it happened for me,

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01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 4: and it could happen for you, And and in some

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01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 4: ways I feel like he's he turns out I think

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 4: coincidentally to be right, I might never have met this person.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that I did.

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01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 4: But this is a person that I want to be with,

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: no matter what the relationship structure is, Like I don't

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01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,520
Speaker 4: want like for some people. I was like, it's important

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01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 4: for me to be able to see, to be able

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01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 4: to be open to meeting and connecting with and maybe

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01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 4: being romantically and or sexually involved with other people. And

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01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't start being in a relationship with a

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01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: person unless they also at least understood that or were

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01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 4: on board with that. And so this relationship is one

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01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 4: where my girlfriend did. She understood that completely and was

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01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 4: on board with that, and we did that. And so

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01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 4: to the same way that as a human being and

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01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 4: as a comedian, and in all the ways I have

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01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 4: grown and like learned and changed and had different experiences

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01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 4: in this relationship, I've like I been as surprised as

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Speaker 4: anyone that I was, Like I thought I couldn't be

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01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 4: with a person forever, like just one person. But it

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01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 4: turns out that it wasn't that it was that relationship.

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01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 4: It was that marriage wasn't the right marriage for me,

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01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: the one that I had and the one that I

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01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 4: had the one that I have now we're not married,

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01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 4: but I'm talking like we're talking. We talk about it

1838
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 4: all the time, like my newest hour of comedy, like

1839
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 4: the album AKA that's out now, the new hour that

1840
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 4: I've written since then that I'm you know, if once

1841
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 4: I start touring again that I've been touring like was

1842
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 4: going to go to Edinburgh with.

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01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 1: This year, will go with next year.

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01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 4: Ideally, if all things go according to plan, we develop

1845
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: herd immunity, we all socially distanced enough and flatten the curve.

1846
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 4: They develop a vaccine, like in the in the later times,

1847
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 4: in the aftertimes, in the future where there's touring again.

1848
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 4: The hour that I'm making now is all about like

1849
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 4: my growth in relationship and this person, my my love

1850
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 4: with Rene specifically, and so it's to the point where

1851
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 4: I've learned, like it was even like when we talked

1852
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,600
Speaker 4: about monogamy to begin with, I was like, okay, like

1853
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 4: let's do this for this reason, and and well, well,

1854
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 4: in some ways it's an experiment.

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01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: We'll see and it's but it is like isn't every

1856
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: relationship and experiment if you think about it.

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01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think what's interesting is like maybe

1858
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: people weren't quote unquote right in the way that they

1859
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,480
Speaker 2: think they're right right because like we're gonna meet somebody't

1860
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 2: gonna do this, and this is the right way to

1861
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: do it, You're gonna figure and it's like they're not

1862
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: necessarily right as much as like maybe this is for

1863
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: you right now, you know what I mean. Like it's

1864
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 2: like saying like there'll be a time when you like

1865
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: chocolate cake, and it's like I hate chocolate cake, and

1866
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: then like I don't know, six years later, I'm like,

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01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 2: chocolate cakes not that bad, you know, But then maybe

1868
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 2: six years after that, I'm like, fuck chocolate cake. I

1869
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: had chocolate cake. You know, I'm over chocolate cake. So

1870
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting how people like And I think

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01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: it's because we've been indoctrinated, right, like so much of

1872
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: especially American but I pretty much all over the globe.

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Speaker 1: So much of like society is just like monogamy.

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01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: And two people and then you have some kids and

1875
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: then you do this. But then like the people are

1876
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 2: not like these fake structures that just stay in one

1877
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: place their whole lives and stay on one path and

1878
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 2: there's only one way they do it, right.

1879
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 3: You get married and you have some kids, and you

1880
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 3: getta you know, you get the house, and you can.

1881
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: Get the job, and you like, there's so many divergent

1882
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: paths and so many different like versions of us that

1883
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 2: we could be at any given time. So it feels

1884
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 2: kind of weird that people would even like like there

1885
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 2: is like a slight resistance to be like, damn, I

1886
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: almost don't want to even tell you guys, because you're

1887
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: gonna feel like you're right, but you're not necessarily you

1888
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 2: weren't wrong, but you weren't necessarily right for the way

1889
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: that you think you were right.

1890
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's all very one hundred percent resonant. And

1891
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 4: because it's not one thing, it is nuanced. It is

1892
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 4: like like it's there is no one answer, there is

1893
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 4: no one destination. Like I mean, I know it's not

1894
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 4: corny to say like that it's a journey, but the.

1895
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Fact is that, like I I mean, and.

1896
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 4: There are people for whom like polyamory is like for me,

1897
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 4: it was the right thing for me for a time

1898
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 4: or that was my desire, that was my goal. That

1899
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 4: was and you know I did it the best that

1900
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 4: I could and sometimes not the best. And and now

1901
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm you know, with with my girlfriend in this relationship,

1902
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 4: and this relationship is the relationship.

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01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: It is like the one.

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01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 4: And also like the good news is I realized that

1905
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, you're like, oh, chocolate cake every day, but

1906
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 4: the cake changes as well, like you change your cases

1907
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 4: much and also the cake change, like maybe it'll be

1908
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 4: a carrot cake in six years. It'll look different and

1909
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 4: sound different, and like that's the wonderful thing is the

1910
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 4: two flip sides of like, oh, only with one person, Well,

1911
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 4: it's a growing changing person. You're never reading things and

1912
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 4: having experienced sorry.

1913
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: You're never actually loving the same person like I you know,

1914
01:31:58,439 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 2: like me and Caro we've been together.

1915
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: This is a way sixteen. And then people always go

1916
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: like like how did I who you to do that?

1917
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: You know whatever, But I'm like, but it's caring at

1918
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 3: sixteen is not caring at forty, Oh you know what

1919
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 3: I mean?

1920
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: And neither am I you know, so like you kind

1921
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: of grow together or you know, sometimes people grow apart

1922
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And I think one of the

1923
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 2: things that is kind of messed up is that we

1924
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 2: teach kids, and we teach each other through whether it's

1925
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: religion or just the way we kind of like socialize,

1926
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: or even the government to a certain extent, we teach

1927
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 2: people like you're supposed to be this way all the

1928
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 2: time forever at this moment. So like the moment you say,

1929
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 2: I do, from that point on, you are that person

1930
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:38,839
Speaker 2: only forever.

1931
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: You know.

1932
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 2: You see people say like really normally as misogynistic shit

1933
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm married my wife at ninety eight pounds,

1934
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 2: she gonna be ninety eight pounds forever, you know, something

1935
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 2: something as silly as that, you know, it's like kind

1936
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 2: of but it points out the fallacy of how we

1937
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 2: think about life and love. My friend Rashida, when we

1938
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 2: were in high school, she said something. I I mocked

1939
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 2: her for it at the time, and I go back

1940
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 2: to this all the time. It was like I was wrong,

1941
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, I told her. I even told her you

1942
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: know later in life, like I was so wrong about

1943
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 2: this shit. I know, I was thinking, but she told

1944
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 2: me she was dating this guy and I said, and

1945
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 2: I just I didn't like to do he was like

1946
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 2: super stupid and all this shit.

1947
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't even like this dude. What

1948
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 3: are you seeing this dude?

1949
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 2: And she was like, you know, like, nah, he's good

1950
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 2: and he's dead and he's down. I was like, no way,

1951
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: And I was like, you don't love this guy, and

1952
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: she's like, I do love him. I was like, you

1953
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: love this guy and she was like yes, And I

1954
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 2: was like, what is like, how could you say that?

1955
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: And she's like, I love him for what I know

1956
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 2: love to be right now.

1957
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: And at the time, I went, that's the dumbest thing

1958
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I've ever heard, Mashida. That is so stupid. How can

1959
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: you say that? That's what you say when you don't

1960
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: love someone?

1961
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: And now I go back, I was like, that's all

1962
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 2: everyone ever does, you just for how you define it

1963
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 2: at the moment.

1964
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: Is what the fuck? You know? You don't know anything.

1965
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 1: You can't know what you're gonna know later.

1966
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 2: You only know what you knew up to this point

1967
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 2: and how you live for now, so you kind of

1968
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 2: get fortunate and if you continue to continue to live

1969
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 2: in that uh, you know, if you continue to live

1970
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 2: in that like that that that period of time, that

1971
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 2: little like that circle of like what I know love

1972
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 2: to be and the relationship.

1973
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm in or not in, right.

1974
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's interesting too because a lot of

1975
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 2: people that are monogamous meet people while they're monogamous that

1976
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: end up being the quote unquote one and they don't

1977
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: count that against monogamy. It's always like it's like it's

1978
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 2: like it's it's like no, no, no, that's different because

1979
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 2: now I'm with this person. It's like, well, to me,

1980
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: I've always felt like the thing you were really advocating

1981
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 2: for was really more about communication, you know, like yeah,

1982
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 2: like this like striving to be like this is how

1983
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: I feel at this moment. I'm not maybe I'll feel differently.

1984
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 2: This is how I felt before. And then we are

1985
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: are are promise to each other is to always communicate

1986
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: how we are currently failing, what are we doing about

1987
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: other relationships other people? And I think that thing is

1988
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,480
Speaker 2: the one line that goes through every type of relationship

1989
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,440
Speaker 2: that especially romantically.

1990
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all beautiful and resonant and well put. And

1991
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 4: I have a here's a new phrase that if it

1992
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 4: already exists.

1993
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: Great. If not, I'm putting it. I'm putting it out there.

1994
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 4: Informed monogamy is what I'm into now, Like informed by

1995
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 4: having been non monogamous, Like choosing monogamy after having the

1996
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 4: option and having lived in a non monogamous way is

1997
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 4: more meaningful than just being gifted with it being told

1998
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 4: that it is the way. It's nice to have to

1999
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 4: have been told that and then to be like, I

2000
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 4: don't think that's right, and then later to be like, ah, now,

2001
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 4: in this way, in this time, in this place, with

2002
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,759
Speaker 4: this person, it is right.

2003
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: This is right for me.

2004
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 4: The other couple of things I wanted to say in

2005
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 4: response to what you said, there's to the person, to

2006
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 4: the guy who's.

2007
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 1: Like ninety eight pounds, that's what she's gonna stay at.

2008
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 4: Uh here what I just stay with her and even

2009
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 4: if she grows to larger than that at some point,

2010
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 4: if you stick around long enough, like she'll event it

2011
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 4: might be when she's decomposing, but she'll be back.

2012
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be. Everyone goes back down eventually.

2013
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 2: You know, if you stick around long enough, everyone makes

2014
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 2: it down to the ninety eight pounds market.

2015
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always thought that was so ridiculous.

2016
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 2: I like that was like the like when the guys

2017
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 2: say that, they sound like the guy who like orders

2018
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: for their girlfriend at a restaurant, you know, Oh yeah, yeah, yes.

2019
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: I'll be ordering for the lady over here.

2020
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the little lady. I'll have the salad and I'll

2021
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 2: take twelve steaks. I'm like, dude, you come right out

2022
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 2: of a comic book.

2023
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 4: Stop, hey man, you should read the comic book Animosity. Yeah,

2024
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 4: then you won't order the steaks and I'll have twelve salads.

2025
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 1: See that's how we go.

2026
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 5: I be like, I want the steak and potato, and

2027
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 5: Roger be like I won't the set.

2028
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 2: My head is gonna explode if the fucking let its

2029
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 2: stars talk like Issue twenty five, I don't know what

2030
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: my brain.

2031
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be on a couch like, oh my god.

2032
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, I just all a dream. Yeah

2033
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: I wondered about that.

2034
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So the hold, I gotta pause real quick

2035
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get we're gonna get cut off.

2036
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 3: All right, we're back.

2037
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 2: Sorry, man, go I didn't want to have to cut

2038
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 2: you off in case we would have got to that

2039
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 2: two hour mark.

2040
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 1: All good.

2041
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 4: Uh So the other thing I was gonna say, is

2042
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 4: when you were talking about, you know, the the way

2043
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 4: that society and pop culture and fairy tales sometimes gift people. Uh,

2044
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 4: with the idea that relationships have to only go in

2045
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 4: one one way, one direction. Sometimes that's called the like

2046
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 4: relationship escalator. You know, like you're dating, you're steady, you're

2047
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 4: maybe living together, you're engaged, you're married, you have kids,

2048
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 4: you know, the the heteronormative just like one one directional,

2049
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 4: just ramp to infinity or not infinity and uh out

2050
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 4: but out. Especially with the idea that there are different

2051
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 4: relationship structures, different types of non monogamy, polyamory, different options.

2052
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 4: It's like there's so many different staircases. It's like an

2053
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 4: escalator that goes in all different directions, some up, some down.

2054
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 4: It's like an m thing that I call the MC escalator.

2055
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many paths that your life can go on. Man.

2056
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: I think also like if you're if you're learning constantly,

2057
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:30,440
Speaker 1: then you're changing constantly.

2058
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: And I think because of how we view I think

2059
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 2: it's also harmful. Because of how we learn about monogamy,

2060
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 2: we also learned to view relationships and successes or failures,

2061
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, so It's not like a lesson learned or

2062
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 2: something that some experience that you would take to the

2063
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 2: next thing. It's like, no, no, no, you failed a marriage,

2064
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,480
Speaker 2: you failed at this relationship.

2065
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 1: You know.

2066
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 2: Like sometimes you'll see people talk about like their X.

2067
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: It's kind of popular to be like, yeah, I saw

2068
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 2: my ex and they were in target and they were

2069
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 2: looking bad.

2070
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 3: Haha.

2071
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 1: I won.

2072
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, so it's like it turns us

2073
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 2: into these kind of like monsters almost. It's like, well,

2074
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: that was a person you liked at one point enough

2075
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 2: to be with them, right, and now you know, like,

2076
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 2: because you're not with them, it seems like you want

2077
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 2: them to fail or you want everything as if that

2078
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 2: somehow will mean you succeeded in their failure because you're

2079
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: not together and stuff. So I think it's kind of

2080
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 2: interesting the way we think about just relationships in general

2081
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: and the way that we define things. But but and

2082
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: then also there's like the other part of it is

2083
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 2: that even with like a polyamorous lifestyle, it's not necessarily a.

2084
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: Quote unquote solution to everything.

2085
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 2: There's there's rules within that, there's distraints within that, there's

2086
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 2: there's freedom within that. Like it's still like it's still

2087
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: changes for everybody, but I think we've just been conditioned

2088
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 2: to see things one way and that's it and there's

2089
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 2: no other way.

2090
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say like I've always has been like

2091
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 4: a pretty optimistic person. I mean part of it was

2092
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 4: I think the way that I was raised was like,

2093
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 4: you know, safe and sheltered and you know, in in

2094
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 4: a good environment to have a child, And so that

2095
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 4: gave me this confidence. I have this joke I'm working

2096
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 4: on now where I say I'm confident right up until

2097
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 4: somebody says, are you sure, and then I'm like no,

2098
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 4: and and so I have this confidence that I'm like

2099
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 4: kind of you know, I earlier in life at least

2100
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 4: was like, well everything, everything's going okay for me, you know,

2101
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 4: like I didn't have all the access to the way

2102
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 4: things were going for a lot of other people at

2103
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 4: that time or other times, or even how things would

2104
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 4: eventually be going for me. Like everything isn't always just

2105
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 4: perfect just roses, just you know beauty, Like we can

2106
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 4: you know, hopefully be present and see the challenges as

2107
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 4: lessons and opportunities for learning and growth. And sometimes it

2108
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 4: takes being able to look back on it to see

2109
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 4: that that did happen. But like here's a thing specifically

2110
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 4: to what you're saying in my relationship. Like in December,

2111
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 4: just you know, four months ago, my girlfriend broke her ankle.

2112
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,559
Speaker 1: Like it badly, like needed surgery.

2113
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 4: She has now a plate and like several screws in

2114
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 4: it like that were to hold the bones back together

2115
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 4: because the phibia and tibula both snapped off their ends.

2116
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: And so she was home for like like she's you know.

2117
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 4: We're all home now, but she was also basically home

2118
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 4: for several months, and I would you know, be around

2119
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 4: mostly caring for it was like our child. There was like,

2120
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 4: oh a new baby that we have to care for

2121
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 4: your ankle, Like I'll go out and get your ankle

2122
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 4: food and like if we'll get a babysitter if you need,

2123
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 4: we'll have somebody just in case you need something from

2124
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 4: across the room real fast. And the point is like

2125
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 4: I'm I'm grateful, Like I love my girlfriend and I'm

2126
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 4: grateful to have been able to have the you know,

2127
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 4: like the resources to help us continue to live when

2128
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 4: she couldn't go to work and stand and sell jewelry

2129
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 4: like was her job at the time, and that I could,

2130
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, I could only go out to shows when

2131
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,720
Speaker 4: I needed to and be there during the day, and

2132
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 4: it made I started thinking like, Wow, I mean, I

2133
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 4: wonder if I was in a polyamorous relationship and I

2134
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 4: had other partners, Like imagine, I mean, one good thing

2135
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 4: is like maybe there'd be more people around if you

2136
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 4: have like a triad to care to care for.

2137
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: The children, to care for the people.

2138
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 4: But what if two people, like right now, what if

2139
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 4: you're in a polytriad and like two people are sick,

2140
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 4: like and you're one person caring for And I'm not

2141
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 4: saying like, of course we have our extended families. Potentially

2142
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 4: you're you're biological or you're logical, you're chosen family, and

2143
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 4: you have friends and people that you care for in

2144
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 4: different ways.

2145
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: But like, we only have so much. It's not that

2146
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: we have so much love.

2147
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 4: We have so much time and energy and resources and

2148
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 4: the capacity to care for someone. So I was particularly

2149
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 4: extra grateful for the monogamousness of my relationship at the

2150
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 4: time when I was like, it's important for me to

2151
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 4: be here with this person caring for them in this

2152
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 4: way all of the time.

2153
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too, because like one of the things

2154
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: they're saying about the social distancing and quarantine stuff is

2155
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:10,560
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are gonna come out of

2156
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 2: it and there's gonna be a wave of like divorces

2157
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 2: and breakups and stuff because of you know, it's such

2158
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 2: a shock to the system and a change to what

2159
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 2: people able to do daily.

2160
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 3: You know, Hey, normally you might leave.

2161
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 2: The house for eight hours a day, do a job

2162
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: and come back. And that's part of it too, right,

2163
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 2: Like that's that for some people. That's the thing that's

2164
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 2: helping is to be like I like, twenty four hours

2165
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 2: concentrated of you is not it is too much, you know,

2166
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 2: but but like sixteen hours I can, you know, that's.

2167
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:41,799
Speaker 1: The perfect amount or whatever.

2168
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 2: And I think so the thing I think about all

2169
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 2: the time is like we don't necessarily.

2170
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Know, like we don't know anything.

2171
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 2: We think we know, like we're confident in our answers

2172
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 2: at the time, but all this shit it could change,

2173
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 2: like anything could change, you know, like a broken ankle.

2174
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 2: For some people, it's I don't want them to deal

2175
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: with this, and you know, here's a crutch, and he's

2176
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 2: like leave the house. And then for some people it's like, Okay,

2177
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 2: this is where I learned to be a crutch, and

2178
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 2: this is where I'm thankful to be the crutch right

2179
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: for you. And so I think that that's one of

2180
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 2: the things that kind of becomes evident when you get

2181
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: tested and whatever.

2182
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: Can I share this.

2183
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 4: There's a thing I heard once about distance in a

2184
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 4: relationship makes is like the wind. Distance is like the

2185
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 4: wind in that it will extinguish a small flame, but

2186
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 4: it will fan a great fire. So like you know

2187
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 4: the way that a forest fire, the wind makes it expand.

2188
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 4: And so if your love, if your connection is you know,

2189
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 4: strong or whatever. You know, this is like a caricature

2190
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 4: of an analogy. But you know, like people say long

2191
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 4: distance relationships never work, some long distance relationships do work.

2192
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes if it's exactly the way people want

2193
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 4: them to be, or if it's for only a limited time,

2194
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 4: or if they do what they want to and need

2195
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 4: to to remain connected in those times.

2196
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: And uh.

2197
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 4: And so I think that similarly, the proximity that we're

2198
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 4: that a lot of us are experiencing right now is

2199
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 4: like has the same function. Like for us, we've like

2200
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 4: I've talked about this with my girlfriend, Like it's not

2201
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 4: that we don't have times when one of us like

2202
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 4: certain there are times when we're in separate rooms, like

2203
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:22,799
Speaker 4: I talk like something like the other day, my girlfriend

2204
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 4: had a headache and I did a show from the

2205
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 4: other room, and even even like through a door and

2206
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 4: through like ear you know, headphones that cancel the noise.

2207
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 4: She was like, you have a booming voice. That's great

2208
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 4: for your job, you know, And and so I joke

2209
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 4: like I'm like, oh yeah, so like my And part

2210
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,760
Speaker 4: of it what brought us together is she liked my

2211
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 4: comedy and we met at a show and talked, and

2212
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,799
Speaker 4: so she she was drawn to me because of my voice,

2213
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 4: and now she is repelled from me as well.

2214
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: She's towards and there's like it.

2215
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 4: Must be a perfect distance. So that like that night,

2216
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 4: I had a later show that I was like, I'm

2217
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 4: just gonna do this one from very close because my

2218
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 4: girlfriend's in the other room.

2219
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 1: So it's like an ASMR cod shit.

2220
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 4: And so but but for the most part, and we've

2221
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 4: you know, we were we love each other. We're happy

2222
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 4: to be here, and we're you know, grateful that we're

2223
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 4: not in a studio apartment. We don't have like the

2224
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 4: biggest house where and we had we have a one

2225
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 4: bedroom where I'm in the living room now she's in

2226
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 4: the bedroom, maybe with headphones and reading so that she

2227
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 4: can have her experience when she needs because she needs

2228
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 4: often more time and space and quiet.

2229
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,440
Speaker 1: But overall, we you know, we we're.

2230
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 4: In communication, if not constantly, like you know, checking in

2231
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 4: to make sure that our needs are being addressed, if

2232
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 4: not met all.

2233
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: Of the time.

2234
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 4: If I'm like I need to talk and she's like,

2235
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 4: I need to not talk, then we're like, okay, well

2236
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 4: that's good. We both know, we both understand, and whoever's

2237
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,599
Speaker 4: need is maybe stronger in the moment. We always want

2238
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 4: to assume that we have the best intentions. We want

2239
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 4: each other both to have what each other what I

2240
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 4: want her to have, which she wants, she wants me

2241
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 4: to have what I want. We want to help provide

2242
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 4: that for each other. So for us, the proximity is

2243
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 4: enhancing the flame of our relationship. And you know, I

2244
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 4: don't know what happens tomorrow or in a month, or

2245
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 4: in years or in one hundred years, but.

2246
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 2: But like nobody knows, you know what I mean, Yeah,

2247
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 2: nobody knows, you know.

2248
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like I think.

2249
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 2: There's certain things that get reinforced and then it makes

2250
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 2: people feel like they know, but like if they knew,

2251
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 2: then like motherfuckers would never break up.

2252
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: No, nobody knows.

2253
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 2: We're all just kind of hoping for the best if

2254
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 2: you're you know, if you're in a hopeful place. And

2255
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,639
Speaker 2: and yeah, we do the kind of a similar thing.

2256
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 2: Like we both we have two bedrooms, but one is

2257
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 2: an office, and Karen's a gamer and I'm a gamer

2258
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 2: and stuff, so like sometimes we'll just be gaming for

2259
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: hours in the other room or something, and then like

2260
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 2: occasionally like I might come in and just be like everything, okay,

2261
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 2: you all right, you good, like you need anything, like

2262
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 2: all right, cool, everything's fine in here, all right, cool,

2263
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: just want to check in and you know, and then's like,

2264
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 2: you know, one we were in here, were working and

2265
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 2: she was talking about how like I'm feeling a little

2266
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 2: bit down today, and it was like, let's get out

2267
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: of here. Like we don't have to like go out

2268
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 2: and hug people and let them cough on us. We

2269
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 2: can still do things outside that just aren't you know,

2270
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: they are not our normal things. We're not like going

2271
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 2: to eat out at a restaurant, but we can like

2272
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 2: go and walk around or we can like I don't know,

2273
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: let's go watch the car or something like that. And so, like,

2274
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, I think what's happening is that people are

2275
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 2: realizing that they have to This is extra layer of

2276
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 2: stuff you have to do now that wasn't necessarily there before,

2277
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like before it's kind of like, well,

2278
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm at my office, or I can stop by a

2279
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 2: place on my way home or something, and those options

2280
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 2: are not on the table anymore. And then of course,

2281
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 2: also it could just be that people were like on

2282
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 2: the rocks and this is like a period of time

2283
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 2: where you can't break up for a lot of people, right,

2284
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 2: Like it's this a period of time where it's like

2285
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 2: I need to lower my disease vectors so I know

2286
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 2: your diseases and viruses. So you just stay here until

2287
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 2: this is over. But this second this is over, I'm

2288
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 2: gonna get out there and meet some new disease vectors.

2289
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Like maybe that's what's having.

2290
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to I just want to offer,

2291
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 4: like for people, it's a challenging time for so many

2292
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 4: and uh and self included, and uh, it's a spectrum

2293
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 4: of how challenged you are and in all of the

2294
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 4: ways that you are. I'm very fortunate in many ways,

2295
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 4: but I want to offer, like if you have a

2296
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 4: relationship with someone that let's say you weren't living together

2297
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 4: but you moved in for the quarantine, or you were

2298
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 4: living together you just started, or you've been living together,

2299
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 4: but you used to go to work and be apart

2300
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:39,439
Speaker 4: from each other for eight hours a day, and now

2301
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 4: like if it's harder now than it was before, Like

2302
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 4: that's very logical, that makes sense, that's okay, Like the

2303
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 4: way that and hopefully you can, you know, give yourself

2304
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 4: permission to like forgive yourself and forgive each other, like

2305
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 4: if you're if you're losing your temper, if you're like

2306
01:49:56,439 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 4: unhappy in ways you know that essentially like when you know,

2307
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 4: like when when I'm physically ill, it's like if I have,

2308
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, a fever, a cold, the flu like that

2309
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 4: you know, makes makes me physically incapable of doing all

2310
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 4: the all the things that I would normally do. You know,

2311
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 4: so I forgive myself. If I'm not going out to

2312
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 4: do comedy every night, I'm like, oh, I'm supposed to be,

2313
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 4: but I can't, Like I can't go out for a

2314
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 4: walk for exercise, Like if I so I it always

2315
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 4: feels okay in that moment. And I feel like right now,

2316
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 4: our society, our culture, everything is kind of like impacted,

2317
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 4: even if you're not physically ill, Like society has been

2318
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 4: slowed down because of the overall metaphorical illness caused by

2319
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 4: the literal physical illness.

2320
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

2321
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 4: And so I feel like hopefully that can, if that,

2322
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 4: if that can help people offer themselves kindness in these

2323
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 4: times to know that like there you don't have, you know,

2324
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 4: maybe if it, if it reveals things that were there

2325
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 4: for it reveals cracks in your foundation that you just

2326
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 4: weren't looking at because you and now you can't avoid

2327
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 4: looking at. That's one thing. But for people, if you

2328
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 4: want to be optimistic that when when you're no longer

2329
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,960
Speaker 4: quarantined together, you can, if not go back to how

2330
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 4: things were, go forward to a potentially you know, more

2331
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 4: stable and better and loving and caring place.

2332
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: I think that and.

2333
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 2: Also like it's not necessarily a failure, right because I

2334
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 2: think what happens is so many people look at you know,

2335
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 2: cause like I've seen the studies from China being like

2336
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 2: all these people got divorced, Oh my god, and it's

2337
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 2: like all those people now have the potential to move

2338
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 2: on to a situation where they're happier too, Like, why

2339
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 2: come out of this miserable if you like, if you've

2340
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 2: been miserable for three months together and it's not working

2341
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 2: out or whatever, and you know, like it doesn't have

2342
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 2: to be And look at you failures.

2343
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: You all blew.

2344
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 2: It like you couldn't you couldn't last one quarantine. Wow wow,

2345
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 2: I tell you, man, you like love isn't what it

2346
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 2: used to be. Like, well, now maybe there's opportunities to

2347
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 2: go find happenings. I don't think anyone should be sitting.

2348
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,839
Speaker 2: We're not on this earth for long. Don't be miserable

2349
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: if you can help it, you know what I mean, Like,

2350
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 2: make those changes if you got to.

2351
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 4: And I tell you there's a comedian in Boston named

2352
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 4: Tony V. He's been doing it since the eighties. He's

2353
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 4: one of the funniest people I've ever seen. And when

2354
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 4: I was starting doing comedy in the early two thousands,

2355
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 4: he did a one person show, a one man show,

2356
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 4: He's a man, and it was called The Failure Artist.

2357
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 4: And he at the beginning of the show, he just

2358
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 4: showed a video montage of all of the show business

2359
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 4: like success that he had on TV and movies. He

2360
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 4: was in a few, like he was in the Bobcat

2361
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 4: Goldswaite movie Shakes the Clown. He was in the movie

2362
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 4: State in Maine. He played like a delivery guy like

2363
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 4: he's since been in like the movie The Heat that

2364
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 4: I think filmed in Boston. He played like a cop

2365
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 4: with one line he's he's like I had like one

2366
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 4: line in a lot of movies. He's like in a

2367
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 4: John Cusack movie and he's like, and I had like

2368
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 4: a Conan said he did Conan like he eventually would

2369
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 4: go on to be on like a show on Showtime,

2370
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 4: Like his career has been fantastic. Like he's like not

2371
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 4: you know, a nationwide household name, but he is a

2372
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 4: Boston comedy, a New England comedy like household name, like

2373
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 4: he is revered and respected at this time still he was,

2374
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 4: but he was presenting it and he was saying, like,

2375
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 4: look this seven minutes of airtime is what I have,

2376
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 4: you know, accomplished. And he says, I went out to

2377
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,480
Speaker 4: Hollywood and I took a lot of meetings and the consensuses.

2378
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 4: I am very nice to meet, and he's hilarious and

2379
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 4: he says, like, so technically, by this measure, I am

2380
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 4: a quote unquote failure. But he's like, I'm glad to

2381
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 4: be a failure because being a failure means I tried

2382
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 4: and being a loose if I was, like, if I

2383
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,600
Speaker 4: was worried about quote unquote failing in the way that

2384
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 4: you're it's like the same message with different language.

2385
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: He's like, if I was worried about.

2386
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,839
Speaker 4: Failing, and if that worry made me not try, and

2387
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't have the failure under my belt. Look,

2388
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 4: no failures over here because I didn't even try anything, like,

2389
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 4: then not better. He's like, it's better to have tried

2390
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 4: and failed, because I then like know where I succeeded.

2391
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 4: There's another comedian, Emily Winter, who last either last year

2392
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 4: of the year before, I had her on my podcast

2393
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 4: and she talked about her project, a rejection project she

2394
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 4: wanted to She made a New Year's resolution in one

2395
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 4: of these years, to one of the last two years,

2396
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 4: to get one hundred rejections from anywhere, from stand up bookers,

2397
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 4: from TV shows, from writing jobs, from the New Yorker,

2398
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 4: from the New York Times, from everywhere possible as a comedian,

2399
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 4: as a writer, because she's like, I think I've heard

2400
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 4: that to get a hundred rejections, I'm gonna have to

2401
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 4: put myself out there at least one hundred times and

2402
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 4: some of them might come back positive.

2403
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 1: I forget what the end.

2404
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 4: Result numbers were, but she had like, however many acceptances,

2405
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 4: like forty fifty, sixty and one hundred something like. So

2406
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 4: her rate, if it was like a be batting average,

2407
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 4: was like, oh you, it was actually pretty good for

2408
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 4: a batting average. Maybe it was like batting three thirty three,

2409
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 4: like if you're but if you look at oh my god,

2410
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 4: that sheer number of quote unquote failures. But the failures

2411
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 4: don't add up. Is a thing I heard once a

2412
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 4: long time ago, Like when you give somebody your resume,

2413
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 4: you don't say, here's everything I've achieved, and here's everything

2414
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 4: that I didn't. Everything that and everything that you try

2415
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 4: adds to your successes, even if it adds to your

2416
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 4: capacity to do things and to learn. Even Thomas Edison says,

2417
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 4: like one thousand, ten thousand failures before the light bulb. No,

2418
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 4: he says, that's ten thousand ways or a thousand ways

2419
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 4: that I discovered successfully not to do it. That led

2420
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 4: me to the one successful way that did do it.

2421
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 4: And Dan Savage talks about this all the time too

2422
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 4: with relationships, that a relationship isn't a failure just because

2423
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 4: it ends it maybe is exactly like a show isn't

2424
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 4: a failure if it ends after the number of seasons

2425
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 4: that it told its whole story, right.

2426
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 1: Is That's That's exactly I look at it too.

2427
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 2: It's like, because that was that was one of the

2428
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 2: issues I was having was I wouldn't even attempt certain things.

2429
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 2: So I was like, if I'm gonna, I'm risking failing

2430
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 2: at the thing, so why even start. Let's just let

2431
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 2: me just stick to the things I know i'm good at, right, Yeah.

2432
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's part of your person. And I can

2433
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 5: be like that sometimes, but to an extent on a

2434
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 5: lot of things, I'm almost opposite. I'm like, let's do it, yeah,

2435
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 5: and they'd be like, you might fail, I don't care,

2436
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 5: let's try.

2437
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 3: But it's something.

2438
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 1: But it's something. It took me.

2439
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 2: Uh you know, I was like talking therapy and stuff,

2440
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 2: and that was one of the things I learned from

2441
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, yeah, I guess because I would

2442
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 2: never look at myself as a perfectionist.

2443
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 1: That's how she was.

2444
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 2: She was like, you have some perfectionist qualities. And I'm like, no,

2445
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 2: not me, Like I don't like look at my closet.

2446
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't care.

2447
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 2: She's She's like, no, it's not in that. It's in

2448
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 2: different things, you know, to a certain extent. Even the

2449
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 2: thing where I felt like, oh I messed up with Mike,

2450
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 2: I can't have them back on the show.

2451
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:55,600
Speaker 3: I fucked up.

2452
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 2: This is over That's that is a type of weird

2453
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 2: perfectionism in a way, like I blemish this thing. It

2454
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 2: is over right, I quit. So so yeah, it was.

2455
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:08,800
Speaker 2: I think perfect can sometimes be the enemy of good

2456
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 2: and and I think that's one of the things too

2457
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 2: in relationships.

2458
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 3: It's hard for people to do because even the.

2459
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 1: Transition like quote unquote out of polyamory.

2460
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 2: Into monogamy is like like there's a way to view

2461
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 2: that is like I feel polymory, Oh my god, how

2462
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 2: am I gonna go in front of all these people?

2463
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 2: And then there's like, you know, the health healthier way

2464
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 2: in my opinion to look at be like, no, this

2465
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 2: is this is just like transitioning in or anything else,

2466
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 2: like this is whatever relationship is like a snowflake is different,

2467
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 2: and so this one's this, this is what this one is,

2468
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, So I think that was cool. The last

2469
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 2: thing I was going to bring up to because we

2470
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 2: have been talking a while, I told you guys, five

2471
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 2: questions two hours.

2472
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 1: Can I say one more thing? Of course quick?

2473
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 4: This one I think will be short. There's a woman

2474
01:57:56,240 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 4: named Esta Perell who is a account some kind of

2475
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 4: a psychologist or a psychiatrist, a therapist who does specializes

2476
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 4: I think in couples counseling. And she also I think

2477
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 4: as a podcast where they do actual like couples counseling

2478
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 4: on the podcast Wow. And I've heard her on Dan

2479
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 4: Savage's podcast a lot. And she's written a couple books

2480
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:19,440
Speaker 4: called Mating in Captivity and State of Affairs. And one

2481
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 4: of the things that I heard recently that I liked

2482
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 4: a lot is that she says most people, or the

2483
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 4: average person maybe has three great romances, three great romantic

2484
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 4: loves in their life. And for some people that doesn't

2485
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 4: mean that it's three different people. For some people, it

2486
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:38,919
Speaker 4: could be a fifty year marriage has three different phases

2487
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 4: where both of the people are have gone through changes

2488
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 4: like you at at sixty are different than you are

2489
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 4: at forty. So this is now either the second romance

2490
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 4: or maybe that's the second one. So you did one

2491
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 4: for twenty years, now you're on your second one. Then

2492
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 4: you'll do a third one if you keep going. Because

2493
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 4: every however many years, you've hopefully grown and learned and

2494
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 4: changed in ways that make you a different person, make

2495
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:04,960
Speaker 4: them a different person, And if you want to keep

2496
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 4: being together, it's important to communicate and express who you

2497
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 4: are and learn who they are, and ideally or hopefully

2498
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 4: or you know, when it works, when it works well,

2499
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 4: when you do that, then best case scenario, you get

2500
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 4: to be like, oh wow, I'm I'm a different person

2501
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 4: with a different person, but also it's the same person

2502
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,880
Speaker 4: from the outside. All anyone to see is is like, oh,

2503
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 4: you've been together twenty four twenty four years with one

2504
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 4: person and you're like, oh no, it's not it's not

2505
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 4: one one experience, it's three.

2506
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm very like that's.

2507
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 2: The thing, Like I feel like the way I love

2508
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 2: Karen at sixteen is different because like, as you get old,

2509
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 2: also know the cost of things, you know what I mean?

2510
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: Like you like this is I think it's not necessarily easier,

2511
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 1: but it's just.

2512
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 3: Different when you don't know shit, you know what I mean.

2513
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 2: There's a like that and most people, I think, feel

2514
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 2: like that's the highest version of love, right, is just

2515
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 2: like the newly wad phase. We want to like constantly consistently.

2516
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 3: Be in the like everything about you is great because.

2517
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know shit about you, Oh my god.

2518
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, like and and there's a point too where

2519
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 2: like the knowledge of somebody is a different type of

2520
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: love that is also good. Like when you're like young,

2521
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, kisses don't cost anything, right, They're

2522
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 2: abundant and they're always come in and there's always gonna

2523
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 2: be more.

2524
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 3: But then you cross like a threshold in life where

2525
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 3: you're like.

2526
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,280
Speaker 1: This kiss could be the last kiss, like every like

2527
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 1: every like.

2528
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 2: Then like you start thinking shit like that now that

2529
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 2: was true when you were sixteen, by the way, but

2530
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,400
Speaker 2: didn't think but now but now you know, like you're

2531
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 2: like this shit is fleeting, like anything could happen, and

2532
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,080
Speaker 2: vice versa. Like I think that's why sometimes people do

2533
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 2: get divorces, you know, Like sometimes you read stuff where

2534
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 2: it's like this seventy year old got divorced from this

2535
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 2: seventy five year old, and people are always like, that's so sad.

2536
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 2: They were together forever. I was like, no, that motherfucker

2537
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 2: knows the last fifteen years. I gotta I gotta figure

2538
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 2: this out, like like like this this might be it

2539
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 2: right here, baby, I gotta, I gotta come up with something.

2540
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 1: But yet, the last thing I was gonna say was

2541
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 1: that the.

2542
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 2: Talking about this, the COVID nineteen, the coronavirus and stuff.

2543
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the people that are like doing

2544
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 2: the marches, that are like we we don't want a

2545
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 2: social distance and let's get our guns and go hang out.

2546
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen it in the news. I'm glad

2547
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:28,360
Speaker 4: to have not seen it close up. It seems like

2548
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 4: I want everyone to be healthy and fulfilled, and in

2549
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 4: in these cases, I'm like where somebody's like not us,

2550
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 4: you know, like like the person you brought up like

2551
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:46,160
Speaker 4: I went, I reminded me earlier of a guy I think,

2552
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 4: like a homophobic preacher, like the coronavirus is caused by

2553
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 4: people being gay, and then he got the coronavirus. I'm like,

2554
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:57,560
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to get it, but if someone

2555
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 4: has to get it, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, And I

2556
02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:04,560
Speaker 4: do want to say also to what you just said

2557
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,160
Speaker 4: about like people wanting to stay in the like the newly,

2558
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 4: like I was a person who wanted to liked new

2559
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 4: relationship energy like it. Of course it makes sense, it's

2560
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 4: it feels good. But I'm glad to now know the

2561
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 4: different ways that being in a long term relationship feels.

2562
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: Good in new ways.

2563
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, like if I'm like, oh, even if

2564
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 4: I like newness, I'm like, this has newnesses in it.

2565
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 4: And it's sort of like like a baby's brain. You know,

2566
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 4: you could learn every any language, every language you know,

2567
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 4: if it's spoken around it. The connections are almost like

2568
02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:39,360
Speaker 4: limitless compared to eventually you learn one language, you learn

2569
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 4: things and the neural pathways close off and you get

2570
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 4: the language that you know and h and then it's

2571
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 4: harder to learn one later. And that's like your relationship.

2572
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:51,160
Speaker 4: At the beginning, it seems like infinite possibilities, like it's

2573
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 4: so new, we don't know anything. We have so much

2574
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:55,320
Speaker 4: to learn, so much to do, so much, to grow

2575
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 4: so much. But because you're a baby, your relationship is

2576
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 4: literally your relationship is figuratively a baby. It's a baby,

2577
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 4: and it's it's great, Like babies are wonderful. They're for

2578
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 4: the for the reasons that like the same way with

2579
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:12,880
Speaker 4: love that your friend Rashida said, like loving the way

2580
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 4: that you can love at a time, the way that

2581
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:16,360
Speaker 4: you're capable of, the way that that love makes sense.

2582
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 4: Like a baby is great for all the things that

2583
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 4: a baby is, but a baby's not like a great

2584
02:03:21,080 --> 02:03:21,920
Speaker 4: partner to marriage.

2585
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: You want that baby to grow up first.

2586
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 2: Right, Like your baby can't drive the car. The driver

2587
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:28,240
Speaker 2: baby has to have a baby seat. Okay, you can't

2588
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:30,800
Speaker 2: drive the car, you know, Like and it's interesting too

2589
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,360
Speaker 2: because like I also think the quarantine for people that

2590
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 2: are like being alone right now are also getting to

2591
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 2: like love themselves or learn how to or see what

2592
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 2: they can like what's going on with them that maybe yeah, yeah,

2593
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 2: maybe you haven't been able to check in with yourself

2594
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:50,400
Speaker 2: because you have been leaving the house for ten hours

2595
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 2: to do a job and coming back and commuting and

2596
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:55,200
Speaker 2: doing like all this other stuff that kind of like

2597
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:58,240
Speaker 2: keeps you from connecting with with with whatever you're into,

2598
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:01,240
Speaker 2: right So, like I would hope that I mean not,

2599
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, I guess I'm just trying to look on

2600
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 2: the positive side of all this stuff. It's like I

2601
02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:07,560
Speaker 2: hope people are able to like kind of examine and

2602
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:10,960
Speaker 2: find what does make them happy, if you know, if

2603
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 2: they are able to do that thing where they have

2604
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:16,200
Speaker 2: their enough needs met to be able to think of

2605
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:18,680
Speaker 2: that way, to think that way, because I don't know, man.

2606
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 1: It's like if not, we're just trapped in the house

2607
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:21,000
Speaker 1: and it's all sad.

2608
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:23,280
Speaker 2: So you know, I hope, I hope people are finding

2609
02:04:23,320 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 2: some some goodness in it, because I do think that's

2610
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:28,240
Speaker 2: like at least what love.

2611
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 1: That's how I've learned about it.

2612
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:34,480
Speaker 2: Was just like oh wait, wait, I am informed now more,

2613
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:38,120
Speaker 2: and so that I still and I still do have that,

2614
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 2: like you know, the feelings of like giddiness and all

2615
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,160
Speaker 2: that type of stuff that comes sometimes, but it's not

2616
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:45,200
Speaker 2: it's something deeper than that, you know what I mean.

2617
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a video game when you

2618
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:50,400
Speaker 2: first pick up a brand new video game and it's

2619
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 2: all this shit you can do.

2620
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 3: And you're just like all the missions.

2621
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm overwhelmed. There's so much.

2622
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh there's a mission over here, like like with ad

2623
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 2: I we have like ADHD.

2624
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:03,400
Speaker 1: With a video game, you just like, what does this dude?

2625
02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:04,480
Speaker 1: And you're just like doing the shit.

2626
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:06,680
Speaker 2: But then there's also like that love of like when

2627
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:09,160
Speaker 2: you know the ins and out of a video game.

2628
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:10,240
Speaker 3: Like you just love it differently.

2629
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:13,480
Speaker 2: Like I've beaten Miss pac Man seventy five times, Like

2630
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:16,440
Speaker 2: I love that game differently than I love the new game.

2631
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 2: It it's no offense to the new game. It doesn't

2632
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,440
Speaker 2: mean I'll never play a new game again. But there's

2633
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 2: just like a love I have for this game that

2634
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 2: I you know, for tone rate or lower.

2635
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:27,879
Speaker 3: Cough, that I just have differently.

2636
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 1: But here's what I was gonna say.

2637
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:34,680
Speaker 2: The people protesting as the virus, So y'all know how

2638
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 2: the virus works, right, Like a virus, It attaches itself

2639
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 2: to like some of your healthy cells, and then it

2640
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 2: makes them kind of like sick.

2641
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 1: It makes them replicate the virus.

2642
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:49,360
Speaker 2: And then like the not healthy, like the antibody cells

2643
02:05:49,400 --> 02:05:51,680
Speaker 2: will come in and like attack this virus, and they

2644
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:53,440
Speaker 2: start and the antibody sales up.

2645
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:54,280
Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck.

2646
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 2: They're just like, we don't know what this is, attack everything,

2647
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 2: even the healthy lung cells all that stuff.

2648
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 1: Wait, did I lose Karen? Karen? Are you still on?

2649
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 1: I see?

2650
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't back, all right?

2651
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 2: So then like it attacks everything, right, like your antibody.

2652
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:11,560
Speaker 2: That's one of the problems with the COVID thing is

2653
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:15,160
Speaker 2: like people get pneumonia and then your antibody is like, uh,

2654
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:19,280
Speaker 2: I think it's called cytogen storm or cytokin storm. Well

2655
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:21,840
Speaker 2: it attacks, yeah, it attacks like your healthy stuff, and

2656
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 2: then that's what makes your lung shut down and stuff.

2657
02:06:24,440 --> 02:06:26,760
Speaker 2: In a weird way, it feels like that's what our

2658
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 2: society is doing. We're like these people like we're doing

2659
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:33,160
Speaker 2: like we have healthy cells, and we have sales that

2660
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,720
Speaker 2: are designed to fight the virus that are like, guys,

2661
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 2: we have emergency room workers. We're gonna stay six feet apart,

2662
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:43,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna wear a mask. We have governors and and

2663
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 2: and all these like smart people that are just like

2664
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 2: this is their thing. This is epidemiologists. Hey, this is

2665
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 2: how we mitigate this thing. And then you just wait

2666
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 2: and then we'll it'll pass because we're fighting it. Like

2667
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 2: and then the fucking like people with the guns and

2668
02:06:58,160 --> 02:07:00,800
Speaker 2: the maga hats and the camouflage and the shades are

2669
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 2: all coming out and everything like, fuck everything, Fuck those

2670
02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 2: people trying to save us.

2671
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,160
Speaker 1: Fuck fuck the hospital people, fuck.

2672
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:12,680
Speaker 2: The mass, fuck social distancing ah am here to say

2673
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 2: it's all bad, open it back up, like let's all

2674
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,960
Speaker 2: go back to just fucking like doing what we were

2675
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:22,120
Speaker 2: doing before. And that's what it's like. It's like the virus.

2676
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:24,960
Speaker 2: It's like the America's response to the virus has been

2677
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:29,440
Speaker 2: the bodies response to the virus. On some extent, it's

2678
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 2: and I don't know, when Mike was talking, it just

2679
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:33,440
Speaker 2: made me think about that all at the same time,

2680
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:36,800
Speaker 2: Like fuck, it's like we're living the human version of

2681
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:40,040
Speaker 2: fighting the virus as well as the individual people fighting

2682
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:40,520
Speaker 2: the virus.

2683
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:45,320
Speaker 4: Those people are literally anti bodies, like their own bodies.

2684
02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 1: Themselves. And this reminds me.

2685
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,800
Speaker 4: My girlfriend told me this thing once about her her

2686
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 4: childhood when she was like pre maybe even pre verbal,

2687
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:59,720
Speaker 4: but it's very, very young. But she remembers one of

2688
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 4: her memories reaching towards like the hot bulb of a

2689
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 4: lamp and that her mother was there and she said,

2690
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 4: don't touch that, like you'll get burned. Don't touch that,

2691
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:15,680
Speaker 4: it'll hurt you. And she remembers My girlfriend remembers not listening.

2692
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 4: I mean, she like heard the sounds of her saying

2693
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 4: that was like eh, and then touched it and was

2694
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,400
Speaker 4: like ah, and then like in that split second like

2695
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:25,840
Speaker 4: when you say what and then you're like, oh, I

2696
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,320
Speaker 4: actually heard you. Then she's like, Oh, that lady was

2697
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,880
Speaker 4: trying to that's what she was talking about.

2698
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 1: She was trying to help me. Maybe I should listen

2699
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:35,800
Speaker 1: to that lady.

2700
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:39,040
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's what the government is like

2701
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:42,240
Speaker 4: at least you know a lot of helpful scientists and

2702
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:47,880
Speaker 4: people who are spreading valuable, as accurate as possible information

2703
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 4: as we have of how to best protect yourself, to

2704
02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:54,120
Speaker 4: protect like from this lamp, from this disease, Like we

2705
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:56,160
Speaker 4: don't have all the answers. Nobody has all the answers,

2706
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:59,280
Speaker 4: but the best people like that adult my girlfriend's mother

2707
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:01,360
Speaker 4: knew more than my baby girlfriend did.

2708
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:03,440
Speaker 1: And scientists no.

2709
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 4: More than I do, and no more than nonsay, if

2710
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 4: you're a person who studies this disease or studies diseases.

2711
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:09,440
Speaker 1: You know more.

2712
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:13,360
Speaker 4: So it certainly behooves us to listen to the people

2713
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 4: who are sharing this information and doing what we can.

2714
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 4: And then even further than my girlfriend is, Like my girlfriend,

2715
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:20,920
Speaker 4: I used to tell the story in a way that

2716
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:23,080
Speaker 4: she was like, it's not actually that, but I was

2717
02:09:23,120 --> 02:09:27,600
Speaker 4: like where she was like rebelling, you know where she

2718
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 4: was like, uh, like, you can't tell me what to do.

2719
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna touch this if I want to. Ow.

2720
02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:34,440
Speaker 4: Oh, you were trying to help me, But that's what

2721
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:36,920
Speaker 4: it seems like. Some people are like, you can't tell

2722
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 4: me how to help myself. You can't tell me how

2723
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 4: to protect myself. I hurt myself if I want to

2724
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 4: in a way, and other people, And it's.

2725
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 2: Kind of it's kind of scary because like like just

2726
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 2: kind of seeing the rise of like anti science for

2727
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 2: like most of my life and how strong and organize

2728
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 2: it has gotten to be. Like this is kind of

2729
02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:59,920
Speaker 2: where that comes into play, right, is like the like this,

2730
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,960
Speaker 2: this is the day of the science test, and half

2731
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 2: of the people have not only just not been going

2732
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:08,400
Speaker 2: to classes, they've been like class is bad, learning about

2733
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 2: the science test is the problem. If we didn't know

2734
02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 2: about the science test, we'd all be in class having.

2735
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: Fun or whatever.

2736
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,720
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like the culmination of this is

2737
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 2: like half of us are like, you know, all right, guys,

2738
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,240
Speaker 2: we gotta do what the doctor says, stay inside. And

2739
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 2: then half of us are like, fuck the doctors. We

2740
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:27,960
Speaker 2: can figure this out myself. I've read us five G

2741
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:32,480
Speaker 2: on cell phones or something. Listen, guys, check out Mike

2742
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:39,680
Speaker 2: Kaplan new album dropping may aka All Killing a Side

2743
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:43,880
Speaker 2: or also all Kidding a Side or also known as

2744
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 2: or you know, Alpha Kappa Alpha whatever the for the

2745
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 2: for the sororities out there, but yeah, make sure you

2746
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:53,600
Speaker 2: guys check it out. Man, Mike, You're always a pleasure

2747
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 2: to talk to.

2748
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:56,160
Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate you coming back on the show.

2749
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:58,360
Speaker 4: Man same, it's such a such a delay. Thank you

2750
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 4: so much for having me. Thanks everyone for and ordering

2751
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,200
Speaker 4: and or pre ordering the album or living your life

2752
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,400
Speaker 4: buying food, whatever you need to use your money for.

2753
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:06,960
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2754
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,200
Speaker 2: It won't take as long for me to have you

2755
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 2: back on the show. I promise you that much, Okay,

2756
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 2: I I.

2757
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: Now will also make a more concerted effort. It's uh.

2758
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:19,480
Speaker 4: We will be friends who communicate even more than we

2759
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:22,960
Speaker 4: ever did before. Another bonus to come out of these times.

2760
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:26,880
Speaker 2: Shout out the coronavirus bringing us all together even though

2761
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:29,720
Speaker 2: we're six feet apart. All right, Gus, we'll talk to

2762
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:31,720
Speaker 2: you guys tomorrow. Until then, I love you.

2763
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:33,200
Speaker 1: I love you too. Ah