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Speaker 3: So to discuss all this, we're joined by Dave Weigel
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Speaker 3: So let's start with and then we're going to do
Speaker 3: a second segment later on the Republican primary, but let's
Speaker 3: start with Tallo Rico and Crockett as Serota, So it
Speaker 3: seemed like this started out as a race that didn't
Speaker 3: have any kind of ideological content to it, that it
Speaker 3: was like different different styles, like different MSNBC styles really
Speaker 3: that seemed to evolve as taller Rico and while I
Speaker 3: want your take on this too, because I can follow
Speaker 3: this clothes as tall Ico started embracing this top bottom
Speaker 3: like we're taking on the billionaires, they're your real problem,
Speaker 3: and Crockets stuck with the whatever the MSNBC stuff is,
Speaker 3: whether what she was really.
Speaker 7: Running it right, I'm not like a brand, like a
Speaker 7: like a vibe.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, it's all vibes, right, it's all vibes.
Speaker 7: I think taller Ico clearly as the campaign went on,
Speaker 7: recognized the the I guess we could call it proxy wise,
Speaker 7: like the Bernie vibe, like if you call the anti
Speaker 7: billionaire stuff like the Bernie vibe. Right, Like, I think
Speaker 7: what I take away from this race is that people
Speaker 7: like him have realized that there is that is the
Speaker 7: normal middle center of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: Way, if people are getting the news from this show,
Speaker 4: he won, yes.
Speaker 7: One, right, Like, I think we've seen in a series
Speaker 7: of races that these candidates who are winning these primaries
Speaker 7: have recognized that while there's this debate going on between
Speaker 7: you know, Third Way and you know the so called
Speaker 7: left et cetera, et cetera, that actually there isn't really
Speaker 7: much of a debate going on at the kind of
Speaker 7: voter level over anti oligarch politics that is now the
Speaker 7: just sort of mainstream normal of the Democratic Party, which
Speaker 7: I you know, taking a.
Speaker 5: Long view now, I'm Crockett was running on that too,
Speaker 5: right yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And like like I just turned fifty recently and
Speaker 7: you're about as old as I am, Right, Okay, Like
Speaker 7: that may seem like a just like not all that interesting. Course,
Speaker 7: like that has not been the way it's been up
Speaker 7: until now. And so I look at that race and
Speaker 7: I say, wow to think about how far we've come since,
Speaker 7: like just Bernie ten years ago, Bernie five years ago.
Speaker 7: That's my takeaway of a candidate who can kind of
Speaker 7: code moderate, you know, vibe wise, code moderate, but be
Speaker 7: the anti billionaire candidate.
Speaker 5: I want to run that past you, Dave, because one
Speaker 5: of the reasons I thought this was such an interesting
Speaker 5: primary is you have the stylistic, the stylistic Q to
Speaker 5: norms from Taller Rico, who's almost stylistically again like a
Speaker 5: Biden candidate who says We're going to restore decency to Canada.
Speaker 5: I like that exactly right, But then his policy prescription
Speaker 5: he was trying to sell populism. Really, Crockett was kind
Speaker 5: of the other way around. She had the style of
Speaker 5: post Trump politics, but the substance of almost corporate dem politics.
Speaker 5: It's hard to say because they're both kind of mixed.
Speaker 5: And you were on the you were on the trail,
Speaker 5: weren't like I was.
Speaker 8: I was last week and David's right, And I would
Speaker 8: start with Taller Rico picked and polarized enemies. The enemies
Speaker 8: were corporations that were working with Donald Trump to impoverish
Speaker 8: you the voter.
Speaker 5: This is a man who took money from mariam A
Speaker 5: on a gambling Yeah.
Speaker 8: I asked him, I think the opening interview asked him
Speaker 8: about that, and he had he had, he had an answer.
Speaker 8: It was it was like, I'm not pure. That was
Speaker 8: specific thing. I'm not going to do that in this race.
Speaker 8: It was Crockett did not run a very tight campaign,
Speaker 8: did not use that as effectively she could. She had
Speaker 8: lots of influence online calling him corrupt, but they got
Speaker 8: really sidetracked into identity where U his some speech was
Speaker 8: It's one of those in a boota judge way of
Speaker 8: some speech. It's very memorable because it doesn't change very much.
Speaker 8: He would talk about inauguration Day and the wealthy people
Speaker 8: sitting behind on Trump, talk about Elon Musk. The impact
Speaker 8: of the Stephen Colbert thing was him talking about the
Speaker 8: Trump administration opening the door for his supporters to own
Speaker 8: corporate media and control what you see. He called it
Speaker 8: the ultimate corporate cancel culture is the one thing he
Speaker 8: called it. But it was about the enemy is these
Speaker 8: people at the top who were dividing us. And it
Speaker 8: wasn't evading issues or pivoting. It was that She was
Speaker 8: less clear. She mentioned that a couple of times when
Speaker 8: I was covering her. She had some big events, some
Speaker 8: big conversations, but a lot more of what Democrats have
Speaker 8: not had any success with, which is, how dare some
Speaker 8: a felon, a thirty four thirty five count felon be
Speaker 8: allowed to serve in the governments like these? Get this
Speaker 8: guy's corrupt? It was like, okay, well, yeah, Trump's crupture,
Speaker 8: but who was behind him? And how are you being distracted?
Speaker 8: And every time you're watching a reaction to him, what
Speaker 8: are you missing? It's this, it's it's it's it's this policy,
Speaker 8: it's this diminition of medicaid funding. It was bad but
Speaker 8: enemy first, which is it's it's kind of obvious. But
Speaker 8: there have been lots of Democrats. I'll never get there,
Speaker 8: and they're very they're very loose, and they do not
Speaker 8: say here's the bad guy. I will take on the
Speaker 8: bad guy. You're going to prove your life's better for
Speaker 8: this reason. He did it all the time.
Speaker 7: So when I was writing speeches for Bernie Sanders, some
Speaker 7: people some people would would.
Speaker 6: Well, one I'd get raz how do you write a
Speaker 6: speech for Bernie Sanders? He says the same thing over.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's like a that's why I got all
Speaker 7: my hair trying to you know, put in new things.
Speaker 3: But the question of why do people show up to
Speaker 3: hear what they've already heard? It was like I feel
Speaker 3: like they a lot of people showed up on those
Speaker 3: campaigns because they liked hearing somebody recount and name the
Speaker 3: villains the enemies, because it felt like no one else
Speaker 3: was naming them. And so when you say, you know,
Speaker 3: when you point out that tall Rico was actually naming villains,
Speaker 3: naming the enemy, I feel like that's like become code
Speaker 3: for authenticity, code.
Speaker 6: For like I am willing to name villains.
Speaker 7: I am the people who don't want you to name villains,
Speaker 7: or the donors, like the money doesn't want you to
Speaker 7: name that. And I think this question about what is
Speaker 7: left and right? What is moderate? What is you know, liberal,
Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. I mean the Third Way conference
Speaker 7: this week right was all about how, you know, the
Speaker 7: Democrats need to be moderate, they need to like reject
Speaker 7: their left. I would ask a question like in this race,
Speaker 7: who does the average voter think in the Texas primary
Speaker 7: was the candidate on the left.
Speaker 6: Or who was the moderate right?
Speaker 7: I think those terms like don't mean anything anymore. That's
Speaker 7: why I say, you know, when I when I when
Speaker 7: I'm referring to you know, people ask where my politics,
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not even sure the word.
Speaker 6: Left or right or moderate or like. I don't think
Speaker 6: these terms mean anything anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly not to regular people who are trying to
Speaker 3: follow this now. The Hispanic vote swung wildly to Democrats
Speaker 3: this time. Either one of you can take this, but
Speaker 3: Tom Bond, you're a Democratic data analysts, and we could
Speaker 3: put this.
Speaker 4: Up and post. He flagged that.
Speaker 3: He says, Zapota County turn out in the primary there
Speaker 3: yesterday was one and forty three percent the total number
Speaker 3: of votes that Kamala Harris won in the general election.
Speaker 3: Republican Republicans very in this high profile manner, went and
Speaker 3: redistricted Texas to try to add a couple of members.
Speaker 3: And I want to get your take on this. It
Speaker 3: may end up being an incredible own goal, shoot yourself
Speaker 3: in the foot kind of moment. So he flags four
Speaker 3: of the districts congressional districts, the ninth, twenty eighth, thirty fourth,
Speaker 3: and thirty fifth that were redistricted in order to be
Speaker 3: Republican districts in each one of them, Democratic primary turnout
Speaker 3: was higher than GOP primary turnout in some cases by
Speaker 3: like three or four thousand, other cases by twenty to
Speaker 3: thirty to forty thousand more votes.
Speaker 4: So these are in order to get.
Speaker 3: More districts, get more seats, you have to take a
Speaker 3: seat where you normally win by thirty and you take
Speaker 3: it down to like five or ten, and then you
Speaker 3: take those voters and you spread them out. But if
Speaker 3: it's a wave, all of a sudden, you've put all
Speaker 3: of these districts in range of Democrats, which one do
Speaker 3: you want to take.
Speaker 8: More in that direction than by sure back in Apkin analysis, Ben,
Speaker 8: if it's just like a twenty twenty Hispanic breakdown, than
Speaker 8: those seats are hard for Republicans to win.
Speaker 4: I've been to that region a lot.
Speaker 8: I'd say there's a long period where Democrats are just
Speaker 8: into denial that it could change because Donald Trump was
Speaker 8: the nominatee and listen to what he says and look
Speaker 8: at the numbers for Hillary Clinton. He destroyed. He got
Speaker 8: destroyed in that region. The Tallerka campaign. I think everyone
Speaker 8: knows Chuck Roaches writers, but he spent a lot of
Speaker 8: time in the district He was very clear on ice
Speaker 8: and making the argument that again Democrats I think are
Speaker 8: mostly comfortable making, even if they don't like saying abolish. Well,
Speaker 8: we agree with that immigration enforcement is good, but why
Speaker 8: are they flagging down Hispanic people and seeing if they
Speaker 8: have papers? That's popular there. Border patrol is very popular.
Speaker 8: If you've been to the South Texas, people have employers. Well, yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, you know the Blue Lives Matter flag. You'll
Speaker 8: see a green line in a flag that's the border.
Speaker 4: Patrol flag Myra Flora. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: And he was careful about that, but it was it
Speaker 8: was spending time in that area. And also talking about religion.
Speaker 8: I think there are gonna be a lot of criticisms
Speaker 8: of how he talks about.
Speaker 6: Religion, many from me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little more.
Speaker 8: Like gnostic than most Hispanic Catholics are comfortable with when
Speaker 8: it comes to like the divinity or God's gender, et cetera.
Speaker 5: Which, by the way, it's something that was hugely divisive
Speaker 5: in the real Grand Valley for Democrats, this question of
Speaker 5: like what's moderate what's not it's I agree, the labels
Speaker 5: are really hard to say because it's like he runs
Speaker 5: this is a kind of stylistic moderate. Where is he
Speaker 5: in some of these cultural issues Hispanic voters in the
Speaker 5: real Grand Valley independent type Hispanic voters, that might be
Speaker 5: an issue for them.
Speaker 8: It was, and I did meet Hispanic voters per saying
Speaker 8: their film family was Magga the last election. I very
Speaker 8: forgot right wing Catholic family who share memes on Facebook
Speaker 8: and they can't believe they're Democrat, but they can send
Speaker 8: them a Talla Rico video about something specific and say, well,
Speaker 8: this is what I believe, and it was.
Speaker 4: It's not going down the litmus.
Speaker 8: The litmus tests of a Catholic voter who's pro pro life,
Speaker 8: he's not going to match that. So a gender critical person,
Speaker 8: he's not going to match that. But just talking about
Speaker 8: faith in the way he did, quoting the Book of Matthew,
Speaker 8: quoting the Sermon on the Mount, just doing that versus
Speaker 8: the secularism they were used to from other Democrats. Beato
Speaker 8: or Work is not very comfortable doing that. A lot
Speaker 8: of Democrats are not. They don't go to church very much,
Speaker 8: they don't talk about it going to church. The fact
Speaker 8: that he was a seminarian and talked about God at all,
Speaker 8: I think I was maybe a little bit cynical about
Speaker 8: that because when going in where I.
Speaker 4: Went there, but people just they had not heard that.
Speaker 8: They were hearing democrats talking about shouting your abortion and
Speaker 8: talking about he would talk about Christian nationalism, which I
Speaker 8: think is more for the you know, John Oliver audience.
Speaker 8: But the part they were hearing was we at least
Speaker 8: quoting the Bible. I haven't heard a Democrat come hearing
Speaker 8: quote the Bible because he's not like Henry Quaihar who
Speaker 8: knows the region. He's at least trying, and he made
Speaker 8: some inroads that way. But that plus the ice thing.
Speaker 8: This is and I've heard that from Arizona and from
Speaker 8: other places too, that look, they're not saying abolish ice.
Speaker 8: They're saying there has to be some goldilocks bull in
Speaker 8: the middle. That is that is protecting the border and
Speaker 8: not chasing my friend down because he has a Mexican
Speaker 8: flag on his truck because he's fifth generation.
Speaker 4: He just has a Mexican flag.
Speaker 5: Well, last point before we go to a needle, Alam
Speaker 5: and you may have something to ads Rohoda. It's just
Speaker 5: Crockett was flirting with like just dragging this out last night,
Speaker 5: was saying, looks like there's cheating in Dallas, Jowny, and
Speaker 5: this is what Republicans did. It was unclear what she
Speaker 5: totally meant by that just a half an hour ago. Yes,
Speaker 5: so she really was going full.
Speaker 4: Stop the steal.
Speaker 5: Last night pulled back from that, and so she has
Speaker 5: conceded as of this morning, but she was going in
Speaker 5: that direction. I don't know, if you get anyone wants
Speaker 5: to jump.
Speaker 7: I just wonder if all of this is actually something
Speaker 7: like more simple that it is an anti system vote. Yeah, right,
Speaker 7: like that. I mean, I'm just thinking through the last
Speaker 7: many elections. The last time the party that was perceived
Speaker 7: to be in power was re elected was twenty twelve,
Speaker 7: right like, think about it, like Obama winning re election
Speaker 7: and then like every election seems like a referendum on
Speaker 7: who is perceived to be in power. And so I think,
Speaker 7: you know, when it comes to dicing different voting segments,
Speaker 7: I think the larger question.
Speaker 6: Is maybe it's as simple as the whoever is perceived to.
Speaker 7: Be the anti system candidate is going to be the
Speaker 7: one to get that swing. Like we like our swing
Speaker 7: voters Latino voters, are they working class voters? Maybe this
Speaker 7: wing voter is like none of those categories, and it's
Speaker 7: the anti system voter who feels like they keep voting
Speaker 7: for change and not getting any.
Speaker 4: Change, which is in all of those voted for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so in Arkansas, will we don't even have
Speaker 3: you go deep into this, but they had a Supreme
Speaker 3: Court election. Kamala Harris lost Arkansas by thirty one points.
Speaker 3: The Republican seems to have won it by about ten.
Speaker 3: So a twenty one point swing in Arkansas not great
Speaker 3: now a race that we covered a lot.
Speaker 4: In North North Carolina four.
Speaker 3: Valerie Fushi elected in twenty twenty two with an enormous
Speaker 3: amount of crypto money and a PAC money. She evolved
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six to a PAC money and AI money.
Speaker 4: So better or worse, I don't quite a path on it,
Speaker 4: wherever you can get it.
Speaker 3: She vowed that she wouldn't take any A pack money,
Speaker 3: so it got ended up getting rooted through this this
Speaker 3: other pack. She raised very little herself, and so two
Speaker 3: plus million dollars kind of rained down on her alam
Speaker 3: in the last like week and a half two weeks
Speaker 3: of the race. We can put up the results there
Speaker 3: has not been called yet. The Fushi is up by
Speaker 3: one thousand and twenty point twenty votes or something like that.
Speaker 3: That's a little under one roughly one percent. Doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like there are enough votes for ni Alam to come back.
Speaker 3: But what it does suggest is that absent this two
Speaker 3: million plus dollars and ni Alam had her own kind
Speaker 3: of anti or pro Palestine super pac linked to Bernie
Speaker 3: Hanna verdict old Bernie.
Speaker 4: Can't beat them them. It's kind of organized.
Speaker 3: Muslim money is finally kind of breaking onto the scene.
Speaker 3: So she had some sport, nothing approaching what what Fushi had.
Speaker 3: It does seem like that was decisive, Like without that
Speaker 3: two plus million in the last couple of weeks, she
Speaker 3: ends up. You know, food this incombent would have gone down.
Speaker 3: What was was? What was your raid on this race?
Speaker 7: I mean, my question coming out of this race is
Speaker 7: how much is this going to change how all of
Speaker 7: the other House Democratic incumbent campaign.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to win by it?
Speaker 3: Right, you'd rather win by a thousand, Ye lose by
Speaker 3: a thousand, but you'd like to like you You don't.
Speaker 6: Like to have to work that hard, right? I mean?
Speaker 6: And there was that, I think there was.
Speaker 7: It was an Axios piece earlier this week that it
Speaker 7: was thirty House Democrats now have primary challengers who've raised
Speaker 7: more than.
Speaker 6: One hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Now one hundred thousand dollars not going to when you
Speaker 3: a Democratic primary.
Speaker 6: But it makes you nervous, right, I mean.
Speaker 7: And I thought what was funny was it was like that,
Speaker 7: you know, unnamed sources, the House Democratic leadership are like.
Speaker 6: Enraged that there's so much money being.
Speaker 7: Spent on And what my takeaway from it is they've
Speaker 7: gotten so used to never having to fight at all
Speaker 7: for their's party, for their parties nomination.
Speaker 6: And again I go back to party exactly.
Speaker 7: And the thing is, I wrote a book back in
Speaker 7: two thousand and seven saying like this was going to
Speaker 7: be a moment all the way back then.
Speaker 6: That's how old we all are now, Okay, President, right, Okay,
Speaker 6: we I there, you go. Okay. That the rage of.
Speaker 7: That moment was going to be channeled in one direction
Speaker 7: or the other. And I think what happened on the
Speaker 7: left end of that spectrum was it was channeled into
Speaker 7: the Democratic Party through through the Hope and Change brand,
Speaker 7: and it was on the right it was channeled into
Speaker 7: the Tea Party. And I think now the difference in
Speaker 7: this moment is it's the same, if not more level
Speaker 7: of rage.
Speaker 6: But the polls that show that the.
Speaker 7: Democratic base is annoyed and angry and frustrated with its
Speaker 7: own leadership was not a condition that existed back then,
Speaker 7: And so I think that is what the current Democratic
Speaker 7: Party leadership is just not used to and is sort
Speaker 7: of scandalized by right because on the right in the
Speaker 7: Republican Party, the idea of Republican primaries against incumbents, that's
Speaker 7: become somewhat more normalized than in a like the idea
Speaker 7: that like a Democrat like I live in Colorado, the
Speaker 7: idea that John Hickenlooper might have and he does have
Speaker 7: a primary, Yeah, he's got a challenge, right, the whole idea,
Speaker 7: Like you talk to people in Democratic circles in Colorado,
Speaker 7: it's like no one could possibly it's a blue state.
Speaker 6: No one's going to put primary a sitting a senator.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure what's going to happen in that race,
Speaker 7: but I guess the point is it's a long way
Speaker 7: of saying the presumption for so long has been that
Speaker 7: there will not be a challenge, that the people who
Speaker 7: are in power are scandalized, and I think to come
Speaker 7: back to this primary. I think every House Democrat is
Speaker 7: going to look at that and be like, I don't
Speaker 7: want to have to run for just my party's nomination
Speaker 7: and have to deal.
Speaker 6: With something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dave, not every Democrat can get the kind
Speaker 3: of help that she got from and particularly from Hakim Jeffreyes.
Speaker 4: So he put her within days of.
Speaker 3: In days of Niitlam launching her campaign, he put her
Speaker 3: on this three person Democratic task force to write AI policy.
Speaker 3: And what that is is that is a giant signal
Speaker 3: to the AI industry that you need to shower money
Speaker 3: on this person. The others are Ted lew and Josh Gotttheimer,
Speaker 3: like both voracious fundraisers, Gottheimer in particular, and so they did.
Speaker 3: They came in one point six million at last counting.
Speaker 3: I bet when we get the final numbers it'll be
Speaker 3: it'll be higher as anthropics Coalition of AI.
Speaker 4: So it's the AI safety people, the good guys.
Speaker 3: But so he did that, and then then there was
Speaker 3: also this pack that he's connected to that raised money
Speaker 3: from a pack, moved it through a separate pack so
Speaker 3: that it could called Article one pack, so that she
Speaker 3: could abide by her promise to not take any more
Speaker 3: a pac moneies. But Jefferies can't do that for everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe he can't, can he? So how are
Speaker 3: to throw this question? How are how are House Democrats
Speaker 3: responding to this? And you have any other thoughts from
Speaker 3: covering this race?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I covered more close of the twenty twenty two
Speaker 8: race when it was an open seat, and at that
Speaker 8: point it was a more fair map. But anyway, it
Speaker 8: was a safe Democratic seat. And in that race which
Speaker 8: you've been setting up, it was very clear that Fouchet
Speaker 8: was the pro Israel candidate. She got the APEC support,
Speaker 8: it just was not in the democratic conversation as a
Speaker 8: top issue very Then how did she what did she
Speaker 8: do in the advance of this race? She disclaimed the
Speaker 8: APEC money. Now it helped her in the in the end,
Speaker 8: but she made it very splashy at a town hall
Speaker 8: announcement that she was not gonna take their support anymore.
Speaker 4: She co signed block the bombs.
Speaker 8: She when the Iran war started, Nita was very quickly
Speaker 8: as she went to her her house and couldn't add
Speaker 8: at what she was against the wharf for. She didn't
Speaker 8: do that, just a less energetic candidate in general, but
Speaker 8: she was opposed to the war too. So would she
Speaker 8: have won had she not done that, I don't think so.
Speaker 8: I don't think with that money. If she was running
Speaker 8: as Dan Goldman that in that district she would she
Speaker 8: would have lost. She needed to be critical of Israel.
Speaker 4: Some things, she needed the pro Israel money, and she
Speaker 4: needed to be answered.
Speaker 8: Some memorable okay, well on voting for this person, and
Speaker 8: she's moving in the right direction. In twenty twenty two,
Speaker 8: and this is I interviewed the then CEO of APAC
Speaker 8: and twenty twenty two about how they run ads and
Speaker 8: what works. But in twenty tway two it was this
Speaker 8: is good politics, but maybe we're going to do the
Speaker 8: issue that's but we're not going to say this is
Speaker 8: the best canon on Israel, going to say something else.
Speaker 8: And now it's they're giving them a little bit of
Speaker 8: permission structure to denounce pro Israel politics just because maybe
Speaker 8: they'll get there and they they don't want more voices
Speaker 8: in Congress that are criticizing them.
Speaker 4: So I think that is one lesson for all these candidates.
Speaker 8: And there's Illinois primaries in the next week, but for
Speaker 8: all these races, if you have a progressive challenger, what
Speaker 8: do you say on Israel? It's important that the permission
Speaker 8: structure has been created for you to, you know, denounce
Speaker 8: them three times and then and then and then get
Speaker 8: elected anyway. But what does that say about their their
Speaker 8: the power of their issue. We could look at the polling,
Speaker 8: but I think this is even more more powerful to
Speaker 8: say that you cannot in order to survive a primary.
Speaker 8: By one point, she had to very performatively say and also,
Speaker 8: I'm against the I don't she said genocide to the end,
Speaker 8: but I mean against what Israel's doing. I'm against the war, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 8: You need two million dollars and that that's new.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 7: And just one other point, I think that it's interesting
Speaker 7: to think about the A pack issue and the AI issue.
Speaker 7: The A pack issue, for a long time had been
Speaker 7: an issue where there wasn't as organized and motivated an
Speaker 7: anti constituency, so the money could go to candidates and
Speaker 7: the candidates didn't have to worry about organized popular opposition
Speaker 7: in a democratic primary.
Speaker 8: They were kind of helping moderate or you're moderate and
Speaker 8: you're going to get the APEC money.
Speaker 7: To right, and the voters don't really care now the
Speaker 7: voters really care. Where I think I'm terrified about, like
Speaker 7: is the world going to survive? Are we going to
Speaker 7: go into like sky net world? Is that the AI
Speaker 7: money assume that there isn't a similarly organized voting block
Speaker 7: against them. In other words, the AI money presumes for
Speaker 7: now that we can give a lot of money to
Speaker 7: democrats get them to be pro AI, because they don't
Speaker 7: have to worry that in taking the money and in
Speaker 7: being pro AI, they're going to prompt an organized popular
Speaker 7: resistance with political consequences when they run for election. You
Speaker 7: see that what you saw it with crypto too, right like,
Speaker 7: and you think about these dynamics where where you want
Speaker 7: a candidate to go out you know, if you're a progressive,
Speaker 7: maybe you want your candidate to go out there and
Speaker 7: say Crypto's terrible, or go out there and say AI
Speaker 7: is terrible.
Speaker 6: Why aren't they doing that? Well?
Speaker 7: The answer is is because I think at a candidate
Speaker 7: by candidate level, they fear that if they speak up,
Speaker 7: even if they sort of in their heart agree with
Speaker 7: speaking up and against you know, deregulation of the financial
Speaker 7: sector or AI et cetera, et cetera, that not enough
Speaker 7: vote will care and all that will do is prompt
Speaker 7: a flood of money again, They'll become the next Katie
Speaker 7: Porter and.
Speaker 4: That set round exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they very bragged about that, bragged about that. That's
Speaker 8: our example. That's like here shared Brown's head, Do you
Speaker 8: want to be him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like it's like the money is organized on
Speaker 6: those issues, but the people aren't.
Speaker 7: A pack was exploiting that in the sense of the
Speaker 7: money was organized, but the anti Apack people weren't organized.
Speaker 7: Now that's an organized constituency in a way that that
Speaker 7: does what happened.
Speaker 8: One very small point is that a lom and the
Speaker 8: ad I mentioned she did try to tie that to
Speaker 8: Bochet by saying, and she's supported by the sort of
Speaker 8: AI companies that are giving intelligent that are helping prosecute
Speaker 8: this war, and the ones that are building the data centers.
Speaker 8: And it was I think maybe she was a couple
Speaker 8: of weeks early for that or a couple who knows
Speaker 8: how long the data started to make that argument, but
Speaker 8: it wasn't it wasn't there yet. That's where she took it.
Speaker 8: I think that's where people you're talking about will take it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think the data the local data center
Speaker 7: stuff will has the chance to actually create organized politically.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's already been happening.
Speaker 3: I would if I were her, I would have yeah,
Speaker 3: she said, you know, it's it's the AI used by
Speaker 3: Ice and used by for the Venezuela and for the
Speaker 3: and then iron lateran here. But yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's the day the data because.
Speaker 7: There is water and the energy of my electricity bills
Speaker 7: against it, and they're coming in right really yeah, because
Speaker 7: otherwise it's like Crypto and AR.
Speaker 3: It's like a bank shot. It's a hard sell because
Speaker 3: a lot of people like crypto and a Yes.
Speaker 5: And also we're looking at monster turnout in Texas, by
Speaker 5: the way, I think that's something worth adding. It looks
Speaker 5: like right now that it's roughly double what it was
Speaker 5: for Beto's not a hugely contested primary. In Bettle's case,
Speaker 5: I think he won with like ninety percent of the vote,
Speaker 5: So you can understand why you would have a higher
Speaker 5: turnout this time around. But that's a signal the DEM
Speaker 5: base is organized and energized and ready to go in November.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you told somebody a month ago, Crockett's going
Speaker 8: to be a million votes and say, oh, she's gonna win. Like,
Speaker 8: nobody gets a million votes in Texas Democratic primer.
Speaker 5: That's usually the total. It's usually around a million. This
Speaker 5: it looks like it's going north of two million.
Speaker 7: Can I also say that, like, as somebody who has
Speaker 7: worked on campaigns, I do appreciate that if you know,
Speaker 7: in broad strokes here that tall Rico seemed to run,
Speaker 7: as we were discussing before this run like a quote
Speaker 7: unquote a real campaign.
Speaker 6: Like organizers like.
Speaker 7: The ads had a message sort of much more of
Speaker 7: a grassroots footprint than Crockett Crockett sort of, you know,
Speaker 7: I think basically ran as like like an influencer campaign,
Speaker 7: like a purely influencer campaign, not like not as much
Speaker 7: of a real campaign.
Speaker 4: And I think.
Speaker 7: I worry about turning campaigns into just I am with
Speaker 7: my iPhone, you know, making TikTok videos, not really out
Speaker 7: in the community, and that being validated by voters. Like
Speaker 7: I think there's something good about the person who was
Speaker 7: whose campaign was more grassroots, more in the community, more
Speaker 7: of a traditional campaign, was actually validated by voters and.
Speaker 3: Still used TikTok and Instagram in the service of that
Speaker 3: rather than as a thing, right.
Speaker 4: In itself.
Speaker 5: Interestingly, he got more money from K Street Political had
Speaker 5: an analysis.
Speaker 6: But they both did.
Speaker 3: Let's move to the Republican results in Texas. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about Ken Paxson and Corny who are going to go
Speaker 3: to a runoff in a moment, but let's start with
Speaker 3: Dan Crenshaw. So this is a very well known Republican.
Speaker 6: You might have thought it very kind of reviled Republican.
Speaker 4: It's such a case.
Speaker 3: Why do actually, I want to ask Emily, why do
Speaker 3: people hate this guy?
Speaker 5: Why say that he got absolutely obliterated by the way,
Speaker 5: it was fifty as of right now with ninety five
Speaker 5: percent of the votes in, it's fifty five point eight
Speaker 5: percent to forty point six percent. Crenshaw I believe got elected.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is he got trounced.
Speaker 3: And Emily's very happy, and we're like, he seems like
Speaker 3: the other Republicans. Tell us from Colorado where we have
Speaker 3: like Lauren Bobert, and that would never happen to Lauren Bobert.
Speaker 6: I don't think hate each other.
Speaker 4: What's there. I'm sure they hate each other.
Speaker 5: He's I mean, he hates anybody who is aligned with
Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson, but he also very high profile, had picked
Speaker 5: high profile fights with Sean Ryan, who was really popular
Speaker 5: with conservative podcast listeners. But you know, just on a
Speaker 5: substance of level, he was out of touch with the
Speaker 5: base on foreign policy. He's an insider trading, Maven. He
Speaker 5: loves to trade on inside he trades. Now that he's
Speaker 5: losing accents, well, he was a he wouldn't call it,
Speaker 5: he wouldn't call it insider trading. But of course he's
Speaker 5: in Congress and he's trade, which is actually, interestingly enough,
Speaker 5: one of the things that this White House has zeroed
Speaker 5: in on being an important part of the Trump agenda
Speaker 5: for the midterm cycle. That's what they were at Capitol Hill,
Speaker 5: cub talking about. That's what they're They're saying that Trump
Speaker 5: is going to run Republican candidates twenty twenty six on
Speaker 5: stopping congressional insider trading.
Speaker 4: So do it, because the.
Speaker 6: Insider trading should happen only in the White House.
Speaker 5: It only happens on it's only in market trading people,
Speaker 5: and it is a sacred task.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so.
Speaker 8: The can't create their own coins and have people buy
Speaker 8: them for access.
Speaker 5: Amazing, But he was his his self a grant listening
Speaker 5: he's just my perspective, and he's self aggrandizing, uh anti
Speaker 5: populist in ways that were wildly out of touch with
Speaker 5: the moment and just made him a really bad guy
Speaker 5: from my perspective. I think voters probably had a similar perspective.
Speaker 5: But Figo, you've I think I've only ever talked to
Speaker 5: him like once, and in that conversation, he was talking
Speaker 5: to me about Tucker Carlson unprompted, so.
Speaker 4: You set it up very well.
Speaker 8: He also the the remap of the state gave him
Speaker 8: areas he had not represented. They had not seen his
Speaker 8: campaign as, and he stopped doing these. But are you
Speaker 8: are you aware of his action movie ads the Michael
Speaker 8: Lace for he would he would pair shoot into people's
Speaker 8: districts to save them. That they hadn't seen those, but
Speaker 8: they had seen Tucker. Steve Toath who won Tucker had
Speaker 8: a long interview with him four months ago. Didn't make
Speaker 8: a lot of news because that's who outside of Southeast
Speaker 8: Texas knows who Steve Toath is. But everything you said,
Speaker 8: he was a interventionist, anti populist who was believed that
Speaker 8: the not the part of the American First Movement, not
Speaker 8: all of it was going to wreck the Republican Party,
Speaker 8: and that if that is the people who are voting,
Speaker 8: they might take objection to that.
Speaker 4: It's really that simple.
Speaker 8: And I was a little surprised that you were saying
Speaker 8: you were surprised, but it wasn't on more people people's
Speaker 8: radars because this is a project for years to get
Speaker 8: rid of that guy. I don't know who first coined
Speaker 8: ipatch McCain, but that was the way he was seeing
Speaker 8: this is a long run. It might have been it
Speaker 8: probably him, Yeah, but he did not cultivate support from
Speaker 8: people who who didn't like him. In twenty eighteen, I
Speaker 8: was I was also strugg chip Roy in the middle
Speaker 8: of the basically he was doing that and.
Speaker 4: Chip Roy is running for AG.
Speaker 8: He had TEDFI I finally say ted Crews endorsed to
Speaker 8: endorse his opponent. A lot of Republicans wanted him gone,
Speaker 8: so part of his personal but it wouldn't have been
Speaker 8: possible if he wasn't.
Speaker 4: So alienated from America first.
Speaker 8: But I was gonna say, chip Roy running for AG
Speaker 8: came in second to a Maggot candidate, and that was
Speaker 8: more about Trump, but it was also sort of the heterodots.
Speaker 8: Can we trust this guy. His instincts are not the
Speaker 8: same as those of us who want to just keep
Speaker 8: resources in the country who have questions.
Speaker 4: About the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 8: And these are both guys who I think had bigger,
Speaker 8: big profiles in DC because.
Speaker 4: How media works.
Speaker 8: You know, we're you're more interesting to the media if
Speaker 8: you'll criticize your party for them.
Speaker 4: Sometimes no interest in that.
Speaker 8: In Texas, very a lot of love and confidence that
Speaker 8: Donald Trump is doing the right thing. So if your
Speaker 8: brand is trashing not just Trump but influential speak conservative
Speaker 8: thinkers and speakers, you've alienated more people than you'd alienate by,
Speaker 8: you know, going to the rotary club and insulting. They
Speaker 8: hear about that, and media diet has changed in ways
Speaker 8: that clearly Crenshaw I think also has or had a
Speaker 8: podcast he was trying to get the space. Yes that
Speaker 8: they that was not as popular it's as it was.
Speaker 7: I also wonder if in a race like this, how
Speaker 7: much somebody like Crenshaw is hurt by the fact that
Speaker 7: independent voters in an open price and open.
Speaker 4: Primary, Yeah, you just pull a ballot.
Speaker 6: Right, so but you have to choose.
Speaker 7: In other words, how many independent voters were animated by
Speaker 7: voting for Tallarico and didn't come into a race, couldn't
Speaker 7: pull up for somebody like Crenshaw, Right, Like, I mean
Speaker 7: that in open primary states, you can be a candidate
Speaker 7: in a primary and think you're going to be rescued
Speaker 7: by or helped by independent voters. But if there's a
Speaker 7: race higher on the ticket where most of the independent
Speaker 7: voters are going to be voted, they can't come help you.
Speaker 3: Right, that should be able to pick you want to
Speaker 3: vote right race by race.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not how.
Speaker 5: Granted, this is a pretty decisive margin so far, who
Speaker 5: knows where. Yeah, I think that is.
Speaker 4: A great point.
Speaker 8: Definitely bigger than the surprise is definitely that bit that
Speaker 8: Texas knew he was at risk, but not that he
Speaker 8: was just walking in with white.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's someone who came in with a lot
Speaker 5: of momentum because people might remember he got made fun
Speaker 5: of as looking like a porn star by Pete Davidson
Speaker 5: on SNL and everyone was like, he's a veteran. So
Speaker 5: they brought him back on SNL and he was on
Speaker 5: Weekend Update and everyone was like, this is the way
Speaker 5: Republicans will win young voters. Dan Crenshaw knows how to
Speaker 5: use new medium pop culture. So he had youth summits
Speaker 5: Frenshaw youth summits of his own where conservative organizations. He
Speaker 5: was trying to do like a mini seapack for young
Speaker 5: people in Texas where conservative organizations would like by booths,
Speaker 5: and it never really got off the ground. But he
Speaker 5: saw himself as a light for the Republican Party. And
Speaker 5: this is a really decisive refutation of that. Let's talk
Speaker 5: about Ken Paxton. Ken Paxton, like Chip Roy, headed to
Speaker 5: a runoff with John Cornyn. We can put F three
Speaker 5: up on screen. This is the results, very very interesting
Speaker 5: results in this race. Cornyn overperformed what a lot of
Speaker 5: people expected. He's not quite a Crenshaw style figure. He's
Speaker 5: been around Texas for a long time. He's obviously a senator,
Speaker 5: so he has probably more built in goodwill, but is
Speaker 5: definitely friendly with leadership. He's a member of the GOP establishment,
Speaker 5: no question about that. Lots of people in Texas angry
Speaker 5: about that post Ubaldi gun bill that Cornyn got behind.
Speaker 5: That's definitely been a problem for him. Wesley Hunt pulls
Speaker 5: in through thirteen point five percent Senate Leadership Fund aligned
Speaker 5: with Cornin, then lashes out at Wesley Hunt as he's defeated,
Speaker 5: and it's basically like, well, we could have avoided a
Speaker 5: runoff if you hadn't even gotten into this.
Speaker 4: Corn votes Wellesley Hunt. Let's what do you think, Migel
Speaker 4: by the end.
Speaker 8: I don't think they are because the last two weeks
Speaker 8: in Texas you'd see the ads. The last two weeks
Speaker 8: was as Left going after Hunt. They wanted this number.
Speaker 8: So what is their theory of this race. It is
Speaker 8: get Cornyn above Packs by any margin at all. If
Speaker 8: it was a if it was like the polls were
Speaker 8: a month ago and it was Paxton forty three Cornyn
Speaker 8: thirty three, Hunt better than he did, then Trump would
Speaker 8: look at that and say, this guy's a loser. I'm
Speaker 8: not going to endorse him. They just want Trump to
Speaker 8: endorse John Cornan. Forget any other issue in the race,
Speaker 8: just endorse him. And right now, in other rooms, I
Speaker 8: am sure they're saying they got we got Tallerico, not Crockett.
Speaker 8: There's no runoff on their side, so we're not sure
Speaker 8: Paxton could win. Texas Republicans are not that worried. I mean,
Speaker 8: they voted for this was the start I covered in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two running it for ag after all of
Speaker 8: his indictments.
Speaker 4: George P.
Speaker 8: Bush was running as the savior who would save the
Speaker 8: ag seed, and Paxton was fine. So it's tough to
Speaker 8: consence Republican voter. The people in DC who make these donations,
Speaker 8: we're pretty well convinced that Paxton would blow it to Tallerriico,
Speaker 8: So they're going to do that today. We're not talking
Speaker 8: about any ideological differences. They're really weren't any of the campaign.
Speaker 8: The entire argument against Hunt was that he was a
Speaker 8: show voter, never showed up for votes. It was not
Speaker 8: he voted wrong on something, it was just that and
Speaker 8: packs were just kind of he wasn't raising as much money,
Speaker 8: but he was kind of holding his powder because he
Speaker 8: knew he had this locked in.
Speaker 4: He had.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is similar what he got I think
Speaker 8: in the his A Jube primary because he had two challengers.
Speaker 8: I think he did a little bit better. But that's
Speaker 8: that's the story. It's just there to the extent there
Speaker 8: is a big Republican establishment. This has been their thing
Speaker 8: for years. Is just we can't really make a positive
Speaker 8: argument for our guy's individual record. We can say that
Speaker 8: Trump loves them, So let's just like, wait this out
Speaker 8: and see if we can get Tumpet in the race.
Speaker 8: And the Hunt thing, the Hunt theory was Cordon's so
Speaker 8: weak that I can leap frog in and I'd easily win.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 8: And if Republicans blow this at some point, they'll say,
Speaker 8: why did we invest so much when we could have
Speaker 8: just easily held the seat with Wesley Hunt, who would
Speaker 8: not have any any problem, no scandals. That was kind
Speaker 8: of the premises of a campaign. I'm a family man,
Speaker 8: I'm a Christian, I'm a veteran. Look at this resume.
Speaker 8: It's incredible. I'll just hold the seat, no problem. You know,
Speaker 8: you dance with them that brung you, and they knew Cornyn,
Speaker 8: they wanted him back. So it almost depressing talk of
Speaker 8: these races. But literally know any logical difference, it is
Speaker 8: just we know this guy, let's help him out.
Speaker 4: Screw this guy for opposing him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, the ban and the ban and wing will
Speaker 3: argue that that's not the case. You know, they described
Speaker 3: Cornyn as a rhino, a liberal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he voted for that gun will seriously well some
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 5: His vibes right, that he's friendly with McConnell world and
Speaker 5: fune world, and that he'll you know, throw Republicans under
Speaker 5: the bus if he has to at any point, like
Speaker 5: some of it's just like this guy's been around.
Speaker 3: Also point yeah, he's probably not running for reelection. He's
Speaker 3: like seventy seven or something, so he'd be eighty at
Speaker 3: the end of this, so he would be beholden only
Speaker 3: to people who are going to pay for his retirement. Paxton,
Speaker 3: you know, was the first Republican AG to join Trump
Speaker 3: and trying to overturn the twenty twenty election. Paston has
Speaker 3: gone after big tech all over the place.
Speaker 8: To the Supreme Court back, He'll he'll file these lawsuits
Speaker 8: on on social issues that no other Republican. He'll get
Speaker 8: to the head of the pack. I think him Andrew
Speaker 8: Bailey in So that's an that if you are a
Speaker 8: religious conservative, he is the one fighting for you.
Speaker 4: And what's corn done.
Speaker 5: On that even though he's a you know, yah, I'm
Speaker 5: an aulterer.
Speaker 6: Well, it's always going around.
Speaker 7: It's almost like who these It's always like who these
Speaker 7: politicians think they owe, right. I understand why Bannon and
Speaker 7: Maga wants Paxton and not Cornyn because it's not I mean,
Speaker 7: you're right, maybe you go down like bill by bill,
Speaker 7: issue by issue, it's pretty similar, but it's it's the
Speaker 7: perception of who they think they answer to, right the
Speaker 7: I think the perception probably among the MAGA folks is
Speaker 7: John Cornyn doesn't think he answers to us, yes, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 7: he answers to that, yeah, yeah right. And Ken Paxon
Speaker 7: clearly does answer to us. Ken Paxson sees that his
Speaker 7: political formula is by aligning with us all the time,
Speaker 7: and that's what they want.
Speaker 5: Well, last point that I was going to make is
Speaker 5: so run off May twenty six, got a couple months
Speaker 5: for that now. But also what the thread between our
Speaker 5: first segment on and Republicans I think that's interesting is
Speaker 5: this is one of the first midterm cycles post twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. It's the first midterm cycle post twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: but it's also the independent media midterm cycle. Yeah right, Like,
Speaker 5: are we pass the point of critical mass on independent
Speaker 5: media changing these narratives in a way that does really
Speaker 5: hurt incumbents and herts establishment candidates. Where Anita Alam can
Speaker 5: make a race uncomfortable, where Dan Crenshaw can get trounced,
Speaker 5: and I mean, I don't know I think that's that
Speaker 5: Tallarico can run ads on top versus bottom.
Speaker 3: And it's up against huge money on the Republican side
Speaker 3: if you count the uncounted like C four and C
Speaker 3: three money.
Speaker 4: I'm curious if you would think this is correct.
Speaker 3: I've seen the like Paxton crowd and backs and supporters
Speaker 3: saying it probably approaches one hundred million if you factor
Speaker 3: mail and everything in that we don't know about yet.
Speaker 8: And they made buy the last quarters yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 8: bought every point yeah, and then behind tax in four
Speaker 8: or five six million, like a lot of money, but
Speaker 8: nowhere near one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3: They're now looking at potentially if if Trump can't figure
Speaker 3: out a way to like nuke this primary, another one
Speaker 3: hundred or two million spent over is it two months
Speaker 3: or three months?
Speaker 4: Is it June?
Speaker 3: It's Almo almost three months March April May of Republicans
Speaker 3: like savagely attacking each other. So to spend one hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars and to have a guy who's been in
Speaker 3: office for decades and before that was attorney general attacks
Speaker 3: like they know who this guy is, and still he
Speaker 3: gets forty one point nine percent.
Speaker 4: Is it crazy to think that.
Speaker 3: If corn spends another hundred million dollars the next three
Speaker 3: months against Paxton and Packston beats him, that then he's
Speaker 3: wounded enough that it's actually a toss up in Texas.
Speaker 4: Or should we not pay.
Speaker 3: Attention to Texas because we've been fooled so many times.
Speaker 4: It's like fly this right. No, and Tallarico then loses
Speaker 4: by eight or something.
Speaker 8: Well, and it would be unlike twenty twenty two twenty
Speaker 8: eighteen with Cruz. Kruz has his enemies in Texas, but
Speaker 8: better at raising money, has no scan whatever you think
Speaker 8: of him, does not have any personal scandals.
Speaker 4: Family man.
Speaker 8: It would be a weaker can it they had in
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen a stronger Democrat? No, not not impossible. It
Speaker 8: just what's happened. It's that Latino vote shift. If that's
Speaker 8: what Ken Paxton's betting on, that the Rio Grand Valley's
Speaker 8: point is going to lock in the race for him.
Speaker 4: No, would it would be a tough race.
Speaker 8: I don't think they're full of it when they say
Speaker 8: that Paxton makes them spend money and Cornyn doesn't. It
Speaker 8: would be a he's part of the establishment race, But
Speaker 8: it wouldn't be He would again have the money, and
Speaker 8: they're just Paxton has not cultivated the sort of people
Speaker 8: who can just keep dipping in. There are a lot
Speaker 8: of in Texas and pax was very successful in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four and getting rid of in primaries. Republicans can
Speaker 8: vote to impeach him in the state legislatives, but that's
Speaker 8: a smaller investment.
Speaker 4: That's two hundred thousand dollars. You can take a guy out.
Speaker 8: It's not if tall Rico becomes a phenom as he
Speaker 8: already kind of is and spends one hundred does Paxon
Speaker 8: have one hundred? From the nerity s see no, And
Speaker 8: you've seen turning point in groups that are still angry
Speaker 8: that there wasn't that money for Blake Masters in Arizona,
Speaker 8: but there was money to save Lucia Rakowski in Alaska.
Speaker 8: It would be a continuing sore point for why should
Speaker 8: grassroots people get to it now? Stant leadership funds the
Speaker 8: opposite of grass roots. They don't don't they don't care
Speaker 8: about that. But that is the sort of thing the
Speaker 8: tellery we can talk about. My DC wants this this
Speaker 8: to happen. I have some donors and that are in DC.
Speaker 8: Sure we all do, but I but this this guy,
Speaker 8: this guy, this guy owes people. And I don't the
Speaker 8: elements of an argument there. And but yeah, pat Packs
Speaker 8: is just uh, I do think it's underage. Just he's
Speaker 8: the guy if if a social conservative wants to sue
Speaker 8: abortion clinics or to investigate clinics that do gender medicine
Speaker 8: for minders, he will do it. He is a But
Speaker 8: Texans Texas Republicans have not sent one of those guys
Speaker 8: to the Senate. They've sent more talented politicians who have
Speaker 8: some appeal be on the conservative base. This would be
Speaker 8: new for them if they try in Paxton.
Speaker 3: Now, everybody, everybody says Paxson is the more vulnerable candidate,
Speaker 3: the Paxton crowd that his defenders, They say the opposite.
Speaker 4: I'm curious for your take off. This is cop or
Speaker 4: if anything real to this.
Speaker 3: Their argument is Cornan has spent one hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: attacking our boy.
Speaker 4: We love Ken Paxton.
Speaker 3: We are so mad that how vicious you have been
Speaker 3: to our guy. That if Cornyn wins effort, we're staying home,
Speaker 3: and and that and that a chunk of Paxson voters
Speaker 3: won't even vote at all.
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't think I'm buying that.
Speaker 7: I think what I what I The one grain of
Speaker 7: truth I think is that there's an argument that John
Speaker 7: Cornyn being the nominee makes it easier for Tallarico to
Speaker 7: be the anti system candidate, right the the there in Washington,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm and and you can imagine the exactly and
Speaker 7: and and and tall Ico can do the whole. It's
Speaker 7: both parties in Washington, like it's Washington is the problem,
Speaker 7: whether Republican or Democrat, and and Paxson makes that harder, definitely.
Speaker 6: Right, Paxton.
Speaker 7: I think that then what Tallerico probably has to do
Speaker 7: is it's more of an anti Trump campaign or an
Speaker 7: anti base of the like sort of the the extremist
Speaker 7: base of the that that's how it would be portrayed.
Speaker 8: The Republican Yeah exactly, they they want to run against Paxston.
Speaker 8: That's true.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, But I but I do think that like
Speaker 7: Cornyn being that the old establishment, I guess, which is
Speaker 7: kind of crazy, but can be portrayed as the like
Speaker 7: country club Republican news right, Like that's a whole different
Speaker 7: campaign that I'm not convinced is like not.
Speaker 6: Effective, like I think it can be. Next to a
Speaker 6: picture of Biden exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did see corner to sleep on a
Speaker 5: plane recently with his path anyway to sleep on a plane.
Speaker 5: But it was it was almost like Biden ask right,
Speaker 5: except he was on a flight, so he should be.
Speaker 4: Sleeping on a flight.
Speaker 5: God bless anyone who could sleep on a plane. All Right,
Speaker 5: we'll have to leave it there, everyone, Dave and Dave,
Speaker 5: thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Thank you, thanks for having me here.
Speaker 4: This is a lot of fun.
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