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Right, Like, I think 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.960 what I take away from this race is that people 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.200 like him have realized that there is that is the 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.359 normal middle center of the Democratic Party. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.120 Way, if people are getting the news from this show, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.320 he won, yes. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.919 One, right, Like, I think we've seen in a series 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.880 of races that these candidates who are winning these primaries 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.160 have recognized that while there's this debate going on between 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.480 you know, Third Way and you know the so called 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.920 left et cetera, et cetera, that actually there isn't really 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.360 much of a debate going on at the kind of 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:06.560 voter level over anti oligarch politics that is now the 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.120 just sort of mainstream normal of the Democratic Party, which 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.240 I you know, taking a. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.639 Long view now, I'm Crockett was running on that too, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:14.519 right yeah. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.480 Yeah, And like like I just turned fifty recently and 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.000 you're about as old as I am, Right, Okay, Like 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:25.679 that may seem like a just like not all that interesting. Course, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.600 like that has not been the way it's been up 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.520 until now. And so I look at that race and 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:37.040 I say, wow to think about how far we've come since, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.880 like just Bernie ten years ago, Bernie five years ago. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.680 That's my takeaway of a candidate who can kind of 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.800 code moderate, you know, vibe wise, code moderate, but be 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.840 the anti billionaire candidate. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.600 I want to run that past you, Dave, because one 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.400 of the reasons I thought this was such an interesting 0:03:55.400 --> 0:04:00.160 primary is you have the stylistic, the stylistic Q to 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.200 norms from Taller Rico, who's almost stylistically again like a 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.680 Biden candidate who says We're going to restore decency to Canada. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.360 I like that exactly right, But then his policy prescription 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.240 he was trying to sell populism. Really, Crockett was kind 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.520 of the other way around. She had the style of 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.680 post Trump politics, but the substance of almost corporate dem politics. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.800 It's hard to say because they're both kind of mixed. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.480 And you were on the you were on the trail, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:25.240 weren't like I was. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.560 I was last week and David's right, And I would 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.440 start with Taller Rico picked and polarized enemies. The enemies 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.839 were corporations that were working with Donald Trump to impoverish 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:36.760 you the voter. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.120 This is a man who took money from mariam A 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:40.520 on a gambling Yeah. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.120 I asked him, I think the opening interview asked him 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.840 about that, and he had he had, he had an answer. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.960 It was it was like, I'm not pure. That was 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.840 specific thing. I'm not going to do that in this race. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.000 It was Crockett did not run a very tight campaign, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.800 did not use that as effectively she could. She had 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.640 lots of influence online calling him corrupt, but they got 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.960 really sidetracked into identity where U his some speech was 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:02.800 It's one of those in a boota judge way of 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.720 some speech. It's very memorable because it doesn't change very much. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.040 He would talk about inauguration Day and the wealthy people 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.839 sitting behind on Trump, talk about Elon Musk. The impact 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.919 of the Stephen Colbert thing was him talking about the 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.840 Trump administration opening the door for his supporters to own 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.279 corporate media and control what you see. He called it 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.680 the ultimate corporate cancel culture is the one thing he 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.760 called it. But it was about the enemy is these 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.880 people at the top who were dividing us. And it 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.880 wasn't evading issues or pivoting. It was that She was 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.320 less clear. She mentioned that a couple of times when 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.760 I was covering her. She had some big events, some 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.640 big conversations, but a lot more of what Democrats have 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.920 not had any success with, which is, how dare some 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.080 a felon, a thirty four thirty five count felon be 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.159 allowed to serve in the governments like these? Get this 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.880 guy's corrupt? It was like, okay, well, yeah, Trump's crupture, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.880 but who was behind him? And how are you being distracted? 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.040 And every time you're watching a reaction to him, what 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.160 are you missing? It's this, it's it's it's it's this policy, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.840 it's this diminition of medicaid funding. It was bad but 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.800 enemy first, which is it's it's kind of obvious. But 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.720 there have been lots of Democrats. I'll never get there, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.839 and they're very they're very loose, and they do not 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.839 say here's the bad guy. I will take on the 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.440 bad guy. You're going to prove your life's better for 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.840 this reason. He did it all the time. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.480 So when I was writing speeches for Bernie Sanders, some 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.240 people some people would would. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.240 Well, one I'd get raz how do you write a 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.080 speech for Bernie Sanders? He says the same thing over. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.600 I mean, that's like a that's why I got all 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:35.159 my hair trying to you know, put in new things. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.400 But the question of why do people show up to 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.279 hear what they've already heard? It was like I feel 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.080 like they a lot of people showed up on those 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:51.680 campaigns because they liked hearing somebody recount and name the 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.359 villains the enemies, because it felt like no one else 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.919 was naming them. And so when you say, you know, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.200 when you point out that tall Rico was actually naming villains, 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:06.040 naming the enemy, I feel like that's like become code 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.159 for authenticity, code. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.320 For like I am willing to name villains. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.320 I am the people who don't want you to name villains, 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.200 or the donors, like the money doesn't want you to 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.200 name that. And I think this question about what is 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.840 left and right? What is moderate? What is you know, liberal, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.160 et cetera, et cetera. I mean the Third Way conference 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.720 this week right was all about how, you know, the 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.720 Democrats need to be moderate, they need to like reject 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.560 their left. I would ask a question like in this race, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.160 who does the average voter think in the Texas primary 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.280 was the candidate on the left. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.280 Or who was the moderate right? 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.320 I think those terms like don't mean anything anymore. That's 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.360 why I say, you know, when I when I when 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.720 I'm referring to you know, people ask where my politics, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.360 I'm like, I'm not even sure the word. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.160 Left or right or moderate or like. I don't think 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:00.680 these terms mean anything anymore. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.200 Yeah, certainly not to regular people who are trying to 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.800 follow this now. The Hispanic vote swung wildly to Democrats 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.000 this time. Either one of you can take this, but 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.560 Tom Bond, you're a Democratic data analysts, and we could 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:12.960 put this. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.640 Up and post. He flagged that. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.440 He says, Zapota County turn out in the primary there 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.440 yesterday was one and forty three percent the total number 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.400 of votes that Kamala Harris won in the general election. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:35.320 Republican Republicans very in this high profile manner, went and 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.880 redistricted Texas to try to add a couple of members. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.720 And I want to get your take on this. It 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.800 may end up being an incredible own goal, shoot yourself 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.480 in the foot kind of moment. So he flags four 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.200 of the districts congressional districts, the ninth, twenty eighth, thirty fourth, 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.560 and thirty fifth that were redistricted in order to be 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:01.360 Republican districts in each one of them, Democratic primary turnout 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:07.240 was higher than GOP primary turnout in some cases by 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.080 like three or four thousand, other cases by twenty to 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.240 thirty to forty thousand more votes. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.959 So these are in order to get. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.280 More districts, get more seats, you have to take a 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.120 seat where you normally win by thirty and you take 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.600 it down to like five or ten, and then you 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.360 take those voters and you spread them out. But if 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.720 it's a wave, all of a sudden, you've put all 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.840 of these districts in range of Democrats, which one do 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.040 you want to take. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:39.199 More in that direction than by sure back in Apkin analysis, Ben, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.040 if it's just like a twenty twenty Hispanic breakdown, than 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.680 those seats are hard for Republicans to win. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.000 I've been to that region a lot. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.920 I'd say there's a long period where Democrats are just 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.640 into denial that it could change because Donald Trump was 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.560 the nominatee and listen to what he says and look 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.120 at the numbers for Hillary Clinton. He destroyed. He got 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.040 destroyed in that region. The Tallerka campaign. I think everyone 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.120 knows Chuck Roaches writers, but he spent a lot of 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.400 time in the district He was very clear on ice 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.240 and making the argument that again Democrats I think are 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.160 mostly comfortable making, even if they don't like saying abolish. Well, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.520 we agree with that immigration enforcement is good, but why 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.320 are they flagging down Hispanic people and seeing if they 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.040 have papers? That's popular there. Border patrol is very popular. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.280 If you've been to the South Texas, people have employers. Well, yeah, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.840 you know, you know the Blue Lives Matter flag. You'll 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.400 see a green line in a flag that's the border. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.520 Patrol flag Myra Flora. Yeah, exactly. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.960 And he was careful about that, but it was it 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.880 was spending time in that area. And also talking about religion. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.000 I think there are gonna be a lot of criticisms 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.080 of how he talks about. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:40.720 Religion, many from me. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:41.920 Yeah, it's a little more. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.559 Like gnostic than most Hispanic Catholics are comfortable with when 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.440 it comes to like the divinity or God's gender, et cetera. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.400 Which, by the way, it's something that was hugely divisive 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.000 in the real Grand Valley for Democrats, this question of 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.320 like what's moderate what's not it's I agree, the labels 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.000 are really hard to say because it's like he runs 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.480 this is a kind of stylistic moderate. Where is he 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.680 in some of these cultural issues Hispanic voters in the 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.240 real Grand Valley independent type Hispanic voters, that might be 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:09.120 an issue for them. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.760 It was, and I did meet Hispanic voters per saying 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.480 their film family was Magga the last election. I very 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.320 forgot right wing Catholic family who share memes on Facebook 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.959 and they can't believe they're Democrat, but they can send 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.120 them a Talla Rico video about something specific and say, well, 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:24.440 this is what I believe, and it was. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.240 It's not going down the litmus. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.480 The litmus tests of a Catholic voter who's pro pro life, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.040 he's not going to match that. So a gender critical person, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.240 he's not going to match that. But just talking about 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.080 faith in the way he did, quoting the Book of Matthew, 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.720 quoting the Sermon on the Mount, just doing that versus 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.880 the secularism they were used to from other Democrats. Beato 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.440 or Work is not very comfortable doing that. A lot 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.640 of Democrats are not. They don't go to church very much, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.160 they don't talk about it going to church. The fact 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.720 that he was a seminarian and talked about God at all, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.040 I think I was maybe a little bit cynical about 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.240 that because when going in where I. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.680 Went there, but people just they had not heard that. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.160 They were hearing democrats talking about shouting your abortion and 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.800 talking about he would talk about Christian nationalism, which I 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.040 think is more for the you know, John Oliver audience. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.120 But the part they were hearing was we at least 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.040 quoting the Bible. I haven't heard a Democrat come hearing 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.200 quote the Bible because he's not like Henry Quaihar who 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.040 knows the region. He's at least trying, and he made 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.240 some inroads that way. But that plus the ice thing. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.760 This is and I've heard that from Arizona and from 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.640 other places too, that look, they're not saying abolish ice. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.200 They're saying there has to be some goldilocks bull in 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.440 the middle. That is that is protecting the border and 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.200 not chasing my friend down because he has a Mexican 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.920 flag on his truck because he's fifth generation. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.040 He just has a Mexican flag. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.520 Well, last point before we go to a needle, Alam 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.520 and you may have something to ads Rohoda. It's just 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.280 Crockett was flirting with like just dragging this out last night, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.520 was saying, looks like there's cheating in Dallas, Jowny, and 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.280 this is what Republicans did. It was unclear what she 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.040 totally meant by that just a half an hour ago. Yes, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.680 so she really was going full. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:57.079 Stop the steal. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.440 Last night pulled back from that, and so she has 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.080 conceded as of this morning, but she was going in 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.679 that direction. I don't know, if you get anyone wants 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.000 to jump. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.320 I just wonder if all of this is actually something 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:15.360 like more simple that it is an anti system vote. Yeah, right, 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.200 like that. I mean, I'm just thinking through the last 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.800 many elections. The last time the party that was perceived 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.640 to be in power was re elected was twenty twelve, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.080 right like, think about it, like Obama winning re election 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:35.360 and then like every election seems like a referendum on 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.199 who is perceived to be in power. And so I think, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:44.680 you know, when it comes to dicing different voting segments, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.599 I think the larger question. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.199 Is maybe it's as simple as the whoever is perceived to. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.320 Be the anti system candidate is going to be the 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.000 one to get that swing. Like we like our swing 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.839 voters Latino voters, are they working class voters? Maybe this 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.920 wing voter is like none of those categories, and it's 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.800 the anti system voter who feels like they keep voting 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.439 for change and not getting any. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.720 Change, which is in all of those voted for it. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.960 Yeah, exactly so in Arkansas, will we don't even have 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.120 you go deep into this, but they had a Supreme 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:20.680 Court election. Kamala Harris lost Arkansas by thirty one points. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.960 The Republican seems to have won it by about ten. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.480 So a twenty one point swing in Arkansas not great 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:29.920 now a race that we covered a lot. 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.440 In North North Carolina four. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.440 Valerie Fushi elected in twenty twenty two with an enormous 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.840 amount of crypto money and a PAC money. She evolved 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.480 in twenty twenty six to a PAC money and AI money. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.760 So better or worse, I don't quite a path on it, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:48.640 wherever you can get it. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.440 She vowed that she wouldn't take any A pack money, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.800 so it got ended up getting rooted through this this 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.760 other pack. She raised very little herself, and so two 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.960 plus million dollars kind of rained down on her alam 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.920 in the last like week and a half two weeks 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.760 of the race. We can put up the results there 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.840 has not been called yet. The Fushi is up by 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.320 one thousand and twenty point twenty votes or something like that. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.360 That's a little under one roughly one percent. Doesn't seem 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.000 like there are enough votes for ni Alam to come back. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.760 But what it does suggest is that absent this two 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.320 million plus dollars and ni Alam had her own kind 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.520 of anti or pro Palestine super pac linked to Bernie 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.080 Hanna verdict old Bernie. 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.000 Can't beat them them. It's kind of organized. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.560 Muslim money is finally kind of breaking onto the scene. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.160 So she had some sport, nothing approaching what what Fushi had. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.160 It does seem like that was decisive, Like without that 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.240 two plus million in the last couple of weeks, she 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.760 ends up. You know, food this incombent would have gone down. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.640 What was was? What was your raid on this race? 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.560 I mean, my question coming out of this race is 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.880 how much is this going to change how all of 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.840 the other House Democratic incumbent campaign. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.040 Nobody wants to win by it? 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.240 Right, you'd rather win by a thousand, Ye lose by 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.880 a thousand, but you'd like to like you You don't. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.280 Like to have to work that hard, right? I mean? 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:17.920 And there was that, I think there was. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.680 It was an Axios piece earlier this week that it 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.160 was thirty House Democrats now have primary challengers who've raised 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:25.520 more than. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.400 One hundred thousand dollars. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.120 Now one hundred thousand dollars not going to when you 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:29.800 a Democratic primary. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.200 But it makes you nervous, right, I mean. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.200 And I thought what was funny was it was like that, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.040 you know, unnamed sources, the House Democratic leadership are like. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.600 Enraged that there's so much money being. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.920 Spent on And what my takeaway from it is they've 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.480 gotten so used to never having to fight at all 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.680 for their's party, for their parties nomination. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.920 And again I go back to party exactly. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.160 And the thing is, I wrote a book back in 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.840 two thousand and seven saying like this was going to 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.280 be a moment all the way back then. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:07.240 That's how old we all are now, Okay, President, right, Okay, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:15.200 we I there, you go. Okay. That the rage of. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.240 That moment was going to be channeled in one direction 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.000 or the other. And I think what happened on the 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.320 left end of that spectrum was it was channeled into 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.320 the Democratic Party through through the Hope and Change brand, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.520 and it was on the right it was channeled into 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.919 the Tea Party. And I think now the difference in 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.879 this moment is it's the same, if not more level 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:35.639 of rage. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.600 But the polls that show that the. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:42.720 Democratic base is annoyed and angry and frustrated with its 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.280 own leadership was not a condition that existed back then, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.600 And so I think that is what the current Democratic 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.280 Party leadership is just not used to and is sort 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.600 of scandalized by right because on the right in the 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:04.160 Republican Party, the idea of Republican primaries against incumbents, that's 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.280 become somewhat more normalized than in a like the idea 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.800 that like a Democrat like I live in Colorado, the 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.679 idea that John Hickenlooper might have and he does have 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.800 a primary, Yeah, he's got a challenge, right, the whole idea, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.680 Like you talk to people in Democratic circles in Colorado, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.720 it's like no one could possibly it's a blue state. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.320 No one's going to put primary a sitting a senator. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.320 I'm not sure what's going to happen in that race, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.040 but I guess the point is it's a long way 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.679 of saying the presumption for so long has been that 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.040 there will not be a challenge, that the people who 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.240 are in power are scandalized, and I think to come 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.280 back to this primary. I think every House Democrat is 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.680 going to look at that and be like, I don't 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.440 want to have to run for just my party's nomination 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:50.680 and have to deal. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:51.320 With something like that. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.680 Yeah, and Dave, not every Democrat can get the kind 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.560 of help that she got from and particularly from Hakim Jeffreyes. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.760 So he put her within days of. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.040 In days of Niitlam launching her campaign, he put her 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.560 on this three person Democratic task force to write AI policy. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.880 And what that is is that is a giant signal 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.280 to the AI industry that you need to shower money 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.480 on this person. The others are Ted lew and Josh Gotttheimer, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.440 like both voracious fundraisers, Gottheimer in particular, and so they did. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.359 They came in one point six million at last counting. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.280 I bet when we get the final numbers it'll be 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.840 it'll be higher as anthropics Coalition of AI. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.119 So it's the AI safety people, the good guys. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.800 But so he did that, and then then there was 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.040