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Speaker 4: Thank you, David, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys being here.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with and then we're going to do

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Speaker 3: a second segment later on the Republican primary, but let's

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Speaker 3: start with Tallo Rico and Crockett as Serota, So it

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Speaker 3: seemed like this started out as a race that didn't

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Speaker 3: have any kind of ideological content to it, that it

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Speaker 3: was like different different styles, like different MSNBC styles really

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Speaker 3: that seemed to evolve as taller Rico and while I

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Speaker 3: want your take on this too, because I can follow

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Speaker 3: this clothes as tall Ico started embracing this top bottom

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Speaker 3: like we're taking on the billionaires, they're your real problem,

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Speaker 3: and Crockets stuck with the whatever the MSNBC stuff is,

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Speaker 3: whether what she was really.

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Speaker 7: Running it right, I'm not like a brand, like a

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Speaker 7: like a vibe.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, it's all vibes, right, it's all vibes.

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Speaker 7: I think taller Ico clearly as the campaign went on,

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Speaker 7: recognized the the I guess we could call it proxy wise,

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Speaker 7: like the Bernie vibe, like if you call the anti

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Speaker 7: billionaire stuff like the Bernie vibe. Right, Like, I think

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Speaker 7: what I take away from this race is that people

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Speaker 7: like him have realized that there is that is the

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Speaker 7: normal middle center of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: Way, if people are getting the news from this show,

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Speaker 4: he won, yes.

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Speaker 7: One, right, Like, I think we've seen in a series

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Speaker 7: of races that these candidates who are winning these primaries

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Speaker 7: have recognized that while there's this debate going on between

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Speaker 7: you know, Third Way and you know the so called

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Speaker 7: left et cetera, et cetera, that actually there isn't really

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Speaker 7: much of a debate going on at the kind of

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Speaker 7: voter level over anti oligarch politics that is now the

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Speaker 7: just sort of mainstream normal of the Democratic Party, which

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Speaker 7: I you know, taking a.

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Speaker 5: Long view now, I'm Crockett was running on that too,

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Speaker 5: right yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And like like I just turned fifty recently and

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Speaker 7: you're about as old as I am, Right, Okay, Like

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Speaker 7: that may seem like a just like not all that interesting. Course,

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Speaker 7: like that has not been the way it's been up

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Speaker 7: I say, wow to think about how far we've come since,

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Speaker 7: like just Bernie ten years ago, Bernie five years ago.

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Speaker 7: That's my takeaway of a candidate who can kind of

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Speaker 5: I want to run that past you, Dave, because one

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Speaker 5: of the reasons I thought this was such an interesting

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Speaker 5: primary is you have the stylistic, the stylistic Q to

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Speaker 5: I like that exactly right, But then his policy prescription

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Speaker 5: he was trying to sell populism. Really, Crockett was kind

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say because they're both kind of mixed.

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Speaker 5: And you were on the you were on the trail,

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Speaker 8: I was last week and David's right, And I would

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Speaker 8: start with Taller Rico picked and polarized enemies. The enemies

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Speaker 5: This is a man who took money from mariam A

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Speaker 5: on a gambling Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I asked him, I think the opening interview asked him

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Speaker 8: It was it was like, I'm not pure. That was

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Speaker 8: specific thing. I'm not going to do that in this race.

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Speaker 8: It was Crockett did not run a very tight campaign,

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Speaker 8: did not use that as effectively she could. She had

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Speaker 8: It's one of those in a boota judge way of

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Speaker 8: He would talk about inauguration Day and the wealthy people

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Speaker 8: sitting behind on Trump, talk about Elon Musk. The impact

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Speaker 8: Trump administration opening the door for his supporters to own

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Speaker 8: corporate media and control what you see. He called it

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Speaker 8: the ultimate corporate cancel culture is the one thing he

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Speaker 8: called it. But it was about the enemy is these

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Speaker 8: people at the top who were dividing us. And it

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Speaker 8: wasn't evading issues or pivoting. It was that She was

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Speaker 8: less clear. She mentioned that a couple of times when

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Speaker 8: I was covering her. She had some big events, some

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Speaker 8: big conversations, but a lot more of what Democrats have

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Speaker 8: not had any success with, which is, how dare some

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Speaker 8: a felon, a thirty four thirty five count felon be

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Speaker 8: allowed to serve in the governments like these? Get this

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Speaker 8: guy's corrupt? It was like, okay, well, yeah, Trump's crupture,

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Speaker 8: but who was behind him? And how are you being distracted?

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Speaker 8: And every time you're watching a reaction to him, what

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Speaker 8: are you missing? It's this, it's it's it's it's this policy,

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Speaker 8: it's this diminition of medicaid funding. It was bad but

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Speaker 8: enemy first, which is it's it's kind of obvious. But

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Speaker 8: there have been lots of Democrats. I'll never get there,

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Speaker 8: and they're very they're very loose, and they do not

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Speaker 8: bad guy. You're going to prove your life's better for

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Speaker 7: So when I was writing speeches for Bernie Sanders, some

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Speaker 6: Well, one I'd get raz how do you write a

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's like a that's why I got all

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Speaker 3: But the question of why do people show up to

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Speaker 3: hear what they've already heard? It was like I feel

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Speaker 3: like they a lot of people showed up on those

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Speaker 3: campaigns because they liked hearing somebody recount and name the

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Speaker 3: villains the enemies, because it felt like no one else

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Speaker 3: when you point out that tall Rico was actually naming villains,

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Speaker 3: naming the enemy, I feel like that's like become code

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Speaker 3: for authenticity, code.

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Speaker 6: For like I am willing to name villains.

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Speaker 7: I am the people who don't want you to name villains,

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Speaker 7: or the donors, like the money doesn't want you to

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Speaker 7: name that. And I think this question about what is

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Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. I mean the Third Way conference

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Speaker 7: this week right was all about how, you know, the

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Speaker 7: Democrats need to be moderate, they need to like reject

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Speaker 7: their left. I would ask a question like in this race,

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Speaker 7: who does the average voter think in the Texas primary

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Speaker 7: was the candidate on the left.

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Speaker 6: Or who was the moderate right?

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Speaker 7: I think those terms like don't mean anything anymore. That's

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Speaker 7: why I say, you know, when I when I when

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Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm not even sure the word.

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Speaker 6: Left or right or moderate or like. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly not to regular people who are trying to

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Speaker 3: follow this now. The Hispanic vote swung wildly to Democrats

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Speaker 3: this time. Either one of you can take this, but

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Speaker 3: Tom Bond, you're a Democratic data analysts, and we could

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Speaker 3: put this.

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Speaker 4: Up and post. He flagged that.

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Speaker 3: He says, Zapota County turn out in the primary there

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Speaker 3: yesterday was one and forty three percent the total number

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Speaker 3: Republican Republicans very in this high profile manner, went and

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Speaker 3: may end up being an incredible own goal, shoot yourself

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Speaker 4: So these are in order to get.

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Speaker 3: More districts, get more seats, you have to take a

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Speaker 3: it's a wave, all of a sudden, you've put all

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Speaker 3: of these districts in range of Democrats, which one do

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Speaker 8: More in that direction than by sure back in Apkin analysis, Ben,

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Speaker 8: if it's just like a twenty twenty Hispanic breakdown, than

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Speaker 4: I've been to that region a lot.

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Speaker 8: I'd say there's a long period where Democrats are just

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Speaker 8: the nominatee and listen to what he says and look

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Speaker 8: at the numbers for Hillary Clinton. He destroyed. He got

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Speaker 8: destroyed in that region. The Tallerka campaign. I think everyone

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Speaker 8: knows Chuck Roaches writers, but he spent a lot of

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Speaker 8: and making the argument that again Democrats I think are

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Speaker 8: mostly comfortable making, even if they don't like saying abolish. Well,

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Speaker 8: we agree with that immigration enforcement is good, but why

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Speaker 8: are they flagging down Hispanic people and seeing if they

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Speaker 8: have papers? That's popular there. Border patrol is very popular.

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Speaker 8: If you've been to the South Texas, people have employers. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 8: you know, you know the Blue Lives Matter flag. You'll

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Speaker 8: see a green line in a flag that's the border.

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Speaker 4: Patrol flag Myra Flora. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: And he was careful about that, but it was it

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Speaker 8: I think there are gonna be a lot of criticisms

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Speaker 6: Religion, many from me.

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Speaker 4: Change, which is in all of those voted for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so in Arkansas, will we don't even have

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Speaker 4: In North North Carolina four.

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Speaker 3: Valerie Fushi elected in twenty twenty two with an enormous

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Speaker 4: So better or worse, I don't quite a path on it,

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Speaker 3: She vowed that she wouldn't take any A pack money,

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Speaker 3: What was was? What was your raid on this race?

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to win by it?

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Speaker 3: Right, you'd rather win by a thousand, Ye lose by

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Speaker 6: Like to have to work that hard, right? I mean?

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Speaker 6: One hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Now one hundred thousand dollars not going to when you

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Speaker 6: But it makes you nervous, right, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Enraged that there's so much money being.

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Speaker 6: No one's going to put primary a sitting a senator.

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Speaker 6: With something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dave, not every Democrat can get the kind

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Speaker 4: So he put her within days of.

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Speaker 3: In days of Niitlam launching her campaign, he put her

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Speaker 3: And what that is is that is a giant signal

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I covered more close of the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 4: She co signed block the bombs.

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Speaker 8: She when the Iran war started, Nita was very quickly

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Speaker 8: I don't think with that money. If she was running

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Speaker 8: Some memorable okay, well on voting for this person, and

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Speaker 8: issue that's but we're not going to say this is

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Speaker 8: the best canon on Israel, going to say something else.

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Speaker 8: And now it's they're giving them a little bit of

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Speaker 8: permission structure to denounce pro Israel politics just because maybe

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Speaker 8: they'll get there and they they don't want more voices

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Speaker 8: in Congress that are criticizing them.

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Speaker 4: So I think that is one lesson for all these candidates.

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Speaker 8: And there's Illinois primaries in the next week, but for

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Speaker 8: all these races, if you have a progressive challenger, what

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Speaker 8: do you say on Israel? It's important that the permission

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Speaker 8: structure has been created for you to, you know, denounce

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Speaker 8: them three times and then and then and then get

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Speaker 8: elected anyway. But what does that say about their their

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Speaker 8: the power of their issue. We could look at the polling,

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Speaker 8: but I think this is even more more powerful to

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Speaker 8: say that you cannot in order to survive a primary.

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Speaker 8: By one point, she had to very performatively say and also,

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Speaker 8: I'm against the I don't she said genocide to the end,

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Speaker 8: but I mean against what Israel's doing. I'm against the war, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 8: You need two million dollars and that that's new.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 7: And just one other point, I think that it's interesting

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Speaker 7: to think about the A pack issue and the AI issue.

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Speaker 7: The A pack issue, for a long time had been

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Speaker 7: an issue where there wasn't as organized and motivated an

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Speaker 7: anti constituency, so the money could go to candidates and

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Speaker 7: the candidates didn't have to worry about organized popular opposition

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Speaker 7: in a democratic primary.

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Speaker 8: They were kind of helping moderate or you're moderate and

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Speaker 8: you're going to get the APEC money.

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Speaker 7: To right, and the voters don't really care now the

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Speaker 7: voters really care. Where I think I'm terrified about, like

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Speaker 7: is the world going to survive? Are we going to

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Speaker 7: go into like sky net world? Is that the AI

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Speaker 7: money assume that there isn't a similarly organized voting block

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Speaker 7: against them. In other words, the AI money presumes for

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Speaker 7: now that we can give a lot of money to

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Speaker 7: democrats get them to be pro AI, because they don't

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Speaker 7: have to worry that in taking the money and in

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Speaker 7: being pro AI, they're going to prompt an organized popular

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Speaker 7: resistance with political consequences when they run for election. You

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Speaker 7: see that what you saw it with crypto too, right like,

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Speaker 7: and you think about these dynamics where where you want

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Speaker 7: a candidate to go out you know, if you're a progressive,

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Speaker 7: maybe you want your candidate to go out there and

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Speaker 7: say Crypto's terrible, or go out there and say AI

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Speaker 7: is terrible.

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Speaker 6: Why aren't they doing that? Well?

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Speaker 7: The answer is is because I think at a candidate

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Speaker 7: by candidate level, they fear that if they speak up,

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Speaker 7: even if they sort of in their heart agree with

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Speaker 7: speaking up and against you know, deregulation of the financial

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Speaker 7: sector or AI et cetera, et cetera, that not enough

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Speaker 7: vote will care and all that will do is prompt

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Speaker 7: a flood of money again, They'll become the next Katie

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Speaker 7: Porter and.

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Speaker 4: That set round exactly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they very bragged about that, bragged about that. That's

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Speaker 8: our example. That's like here shared Brown's head, Do you

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Speaker 8: want to be him?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like it's like the money is organized on

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Speaker 6: those issues, but the people aren't.

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Speaker 7: A pack was exploiting that in the sense of the

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Speaker 7: money was organized, but the anti Apack people weren't organized.

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Speaker 7: Now that's an organized constituency in a way that that

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Speaker 7: does what happened.

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Speaker 8: One very small point is that a lom and the

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Speaker 8: ad I mentioned she did try to tie that to

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Speaker 8: Bochet by saying, and she's supported by the sort of

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Speaker 8: AI companies that are giving intelligent that are helping prosecute

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Speaker 8: this war, and the ones that are building the data centers.

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Speaker 8: And it was I think maybe she was a couple

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Speaker 8: of weeks early for that or a couple who knows

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Speaker 8: how long the data started to make that argument, but

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Speaker 8: it wasn't it wasn't there yet. That's where she took it.

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Speaker 8: I think that's where people you're talking about will take it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think the data the local data center

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Speaker 7: stuff will has the chance to actually create organized politically.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's already been happening.

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Speaker 3: I would if I were her, I would have yeah,

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Speaker 3: she said, you know, it's it's the AI used by

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Speaker 3: Ice and used by for the Venezuela and for the

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Speaker 3: and then iron lateran here. But yeah, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the day the data because.

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Speaker 7: There is water and the energy of my electricity bills

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Speaker 7: against it, and they're coming in right really yeah, because

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Speaker 7: otherwise it's like Crypto and AR.

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Speaker 3: It's like a bank shot. It's a hard sell because

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Speaker 3: a lot of people like crypto and a Yes.

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Speaker 5: And also we're looking at monster turnout in Texas, by

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Speaker 5: the way, I think that's something worth adding. It looks

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Speaker 5: like right now that it's roughly double what it was

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Speaker 5: for Beto's not a hugely contested primary. In Bettle's case,

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Speaker 5: I think he won with like ninety percent of the vote,

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Speaker 5: So you can understand why you would have a higher

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Speaker 5: turnout this time around. But that's a signal the DEM

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Speaker 5: base is organized and energized and ready to go in November.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, if you told somebody a month ago, Crockett's going

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Speaker 8: to be a million votes and say, oh, she's gonna win. Like,

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Speaker 8: nobody gets a million votes in Texas Democratic primer.

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Speaker 5: That's usually the total. It's usually around a million. This

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Speaker 5: it looks like it's going north of two million.

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Speaker 7: Can I also say that, like, as somebody who has

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Speaker 7: worked on campaigns, I do appreciate that if you know,

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Speaker 7: in broad strokes here that tall Rico seemed to run,

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Speaker 7: as we were discussing before this run like a quote

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Speaker 7: unquote a real campaign.

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Speaker 6: Like organizers like.

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Speaker 7: The ads had a message sort of much more of

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Speaker 7: a grassroots footprint than Crockett Crockett sort of, you know,

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Speaker 7: I think basically ran as like like an influencer campaign,

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Speaker 7: like a purely influencer campaign, not like not as much

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Speaker 7: of a real campaign.

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Speaker 4: And I think.

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Speaker 7: I worry about turning campaigns into just I am with

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Speaker 7: my iPhone, you know, making TikTok videos, not really out

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Speaker 7: in the community, and that being validated by voters. Like

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Speaker 7: I think there's something good about the person who was

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Speaker 7: whose campaign was more grassroots, more in the community, more

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Speaker 7: of a traditional campaign, was actually validated by voters and.

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Speaker 3: Still used TikTok and Instagram in the service of that

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Speaker 3: rather than as a thing, right.

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Speaker 4: In itself.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly, he got more money from K Street Political had

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Speaker 5: an analysis.

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Speaker 6: But they both did.

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Speaker 3: Let's move to the Republican results in Texas. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: about Ken Paxson and Corny who are going to go

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Speaker 3: to a runoff in a moment, but let's start with

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Speaker 3: Dan Crenshaw. So this is a very well known Republican.

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Speaker 6: You might have thought it very kind of reviled Republican.

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Speaker 4: It's such a case.

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Speaker 3: Why do actually, I want to ask Emily, why do

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Speaker 3: people hate this guy?

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Speaker 5: Why say that he got absolutely obliterated by the way,

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Speaker 5: it was fifty as of right now with ninety five

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Speaker 5: percent of the votes in, it's fifty five point eight

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Speaker 5: percent to forty point six percent. Crenshaw I believe got elected.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is he got trounced.

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Speaker 3: And Emily's very happy, and we're like, he seems like

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Speaker 3: the other Republicans. Tell us from Colorado where we have

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Speaker 3: like Lauren Bobert, and that would never happen to Lauren Bobert.

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Speaker 6: I don't think hate each other.

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Speaker 4: What's there. I'm sure they hate each other.

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Speaker 5: He's I mean, he hates anybody who is aligned with

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Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson, but he also very high profile, had picked

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Speaker 5: high profile fights with Sean Ryan, who was really popular

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Speaker 5: with conservative podcast listeners. But you know, just on a

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Speaker 5: substance of level, he was out of touch with the

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Speaker 5: base on foreign policy. He's an insider trading, Maven. He

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Speaker 5: loves to trade on inside he trades. Now that he's

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Speaker 5: losing accents, well, he was a he wouldn't call it,

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Speaker 5: he wouldn't call it insider trading. But of course he's

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Speaker 5: in Congress and he's trade, which is actually, interestingly enough,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that this White House has zeroed

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Speaker 5: in on being an important part of the Trump agenda

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Speaker 5: for the midterm cycle. That's what they were at Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 5: cub talking about. That's what they're They're saying that Trump

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Speaker 5: is going to run Republican candidates twenty twenty six on

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Speaker 5: stopping congressional insider trading.

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Speaker 4: So do it, because the.

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Speaker 6: Insider trading should happen only in the White House.

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Speaker 5: It only happens on it's only in market trading people,

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Speaker 5: and it is a sacred task.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, so.

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Speaker 8: The can't create their own coins and have people buy

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Speaker 8: them for access.

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Speaker 5: Amazing, But he was his his self a grant listening

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Speaker 5: he's just my perspective, and he's self aggrandizing, uh anti

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Speaker 5: populist in ways that were wildly out of touch with

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Speaker 5: the moment and just made him a really bad guy

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Speaker 5: from my perspective. I think voters probably had a similar perspective.

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Speaker 5: But Figo, you've I think I've only ever talked to

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Speaker 5: him like once, and in that conversation, he was talking

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Speaker 5: to me about Tucker Carlson unprompted, so.

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Speaker 4: You set it up very well.

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Speaker 8: He also the the remap of the state gave him

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Speaker 8: areas he had not represented. They had not seen his

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Speaker 8: campaign as, and he stopped doing these. But are you

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Speaker 8: are you aware of his action movie ads the Michael

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Speaker 8: Lace for he would he would pair shoot into people's

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Speaker 8: districts to save them. That they hadn't seen those, but

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Speaker 8: they had seen Tucker. Steve Toath who won Tucker had

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Speaker 8: a long interview with him four months ago. Didn't make

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Speaker 8: a lot of news because that's who outside of Southeast

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Speaker 8: Texas knows who Steve Toath is. But everything you said,

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Speaker 8: he was a interventionist, anti populist who was believed that

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Speaker 8: the not the part of the American First Movement, not

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Speaker 8: all of it was going to wreck the Republican Party,

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Speaker 8: and that if that is the people who are voting,

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Speaker 8: they might take objection to that.

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Speaker 4: It's really that simple.

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Speaker 8: And I was a little surprised that you were saying

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Speaker 8: you were surprised, but it wasn't on more people people's

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Speaker 8: radars because this is a project for years to get

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Speaker 8: rid of that guy. I don't know who first coined

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Speaker 8: ipatch McCain, but that was the way he was seeing

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Speaker 8: this is a long run. It might have been it

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Speaker 8: probably him, Yeah, but he did not cultivate support from

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Speaker 8: people who who didn't like him. In twenty eighteen, I

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Speaker 8: was I was also strugg chip Roy in the middle

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Speaker 8: of the basically he was doing that and.

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Speaker 4: Chip Roy is running for AG.

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Speaker 8: He had TEDFI I finally say ted Crews endorsed to

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Speaker 8: endorse his opponent. A lot of Republicans wanted him gone,

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Speaker 8: so part of his personal but it wouldn't have been

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Speaker 8: possible if he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: So alienated from America first.

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Speaker 8: But I was gonna say, chip Roy running for AG

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Speaker 8: came in second to a Maggot candidate, and that was

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Speaker 8: more about Trump, but it was also sort of the heterodots.

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Speaker 8: Can we trust this guy. His instincts are not the

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Speaker 8: same as those of us who want to just keep

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Speaker 8: resources in the country who have questions.

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Speaker 4: About the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 8: And these are both guys who I think had bigger,

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Speaker 8: big profiles in DC because.

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Speaker 4: How media works.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're you're more interesting to the media if

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Speaker 8: you'll criticize your party for them.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes no interest in that.

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Speaker 8: In Texas, very a lot of love and confidence that

662
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump is doing the right thing. So if your

663
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 8: brand is trashing not just Trump but influential speak conservative

664
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 8: thinkers and speakers, you've alienated more people than you'd alienate by,

665
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 8: you know, going to the rotary club and insulting. They

666
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 8: hear about that, and media diet has changed in ways

667
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Speaker 8: that clearly Crenshaw I think also has or had a

668
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 8: podcast he was trying to get the space. Yes that

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Speaker 8: they that was not as popular it's as it was.

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Speaker 7: I also wonder if in a race like this, how

671
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Speaker 7: much somebody like Crenshaw is hurt by the fact that

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Speaker 7: independent voters in an open price and open.

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Speaker 4: Primary, Yeah, you just pull a ballot.

674
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Speaker 6: Right, so but you have to choose.

675
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 7: In other words, how many independent voters were animated by

676
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 7: voting for Tallarico and didn't come into a race, couldn't

677
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 7: pull up for somebody like Crenshaw, Right, Like, I mean

678
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 7: that in open primary states, you can be a candidate

679
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 7: in a primary and think you're going to be rescued

680
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 7: by or helped by independent voters. But if there's a

681
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 7: race higher on the ticket where most of the independent

682
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 7: voters are going to be voted, they can't come help you.

683
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Speaker 3: Right, that should be able to pick you want to

684
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Speaker 3: vote right race by race.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not how.

686
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Speaker 5: Granted, this is a pretty decisive margin so far, who

687
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Speaker 5: knows where. Yeah, I think that is.

688
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: A great point.

689
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Speaker 8: Definitely bigger than the surprise is definitely that bit that

690
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 8: Texas knew he was at risk, but not that he

691
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 8: was just walking in with white.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's someone who came in with a lot

693
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Speaker 5: of momentum because people might remember he got made fun

694
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Speaker 5: of as looking like a porn star by Pete Davidson

695
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 5: on SNL and everyone was like, he's a veteran. So

696
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 5: they brought him back on SNL and he was on

697
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: Weekend Update and everyone was like, this is the way

698
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 5: Republicans will win young voters. Dan Crenshaw knows how to

699
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: use new medium pop culture. So he had youth summits

700
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Speaker 5: Frenshaw youth summits of his own where conservative organizations. He

701
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: was trying to do like a mini seapack for young

702
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: people in Texas where conservative organizations would like by booths,

703
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: and it never really got off the ground. But he

704
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 5: saw himself as a light for the Republican Party. And

705
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Speaker 5: this is a really decisive refutation of that. Let's talk

706
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: about Ken Paxton. Ken Paxton, like Chip Roy, headed to

707
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: a runoff with John Cornyn. We can put F three

708
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: up on screen. This is the results, very very interesting

709
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 5: results in this race. Cornyn overperformed what a lot of

710
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: people expected. He's not quite a Crenshaw style figure. He's

711
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 5: been around Texas for a long time. He's obviously a senator,

712
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: so he has probably more built in goodwill, but is

713
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 5: definitely friendly with leadership. He's a member of the GOP establishment,

714
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: no question about that. Lots of people in Texas angry

715
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 5: about that post Ubaldi gun bill that Cornyn got behind.

716
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: That's definitely been a problem for him. Wesley Hunt pulls

717
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 5: in through thirteen point five percent Senate Leadership Fund aligned

718
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: with Cornin, then lashes out at Wesley Hunt as he's defeated,

719
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: and it's basically like, well, we could have avoided a

720
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Speaker 5: runoff if you hadn't even gotten into this.

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Speaker 4: Corn votes Wellesley Hunt. Let's what do you think, Migel

722
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Speaker 4: by the end.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they are because the last two weeks

724
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 8: in Texas you'd see the ads. The last two weeks

725
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 8: was as Left going after Hunt. They wanted this number.

726
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 8: So what is their theory of this race. It is

727
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 8: get Cornyn above Packs by any margin at all. If

728
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 8: it was a if it was like the polls were

729
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 8: a month ago and it was Paxton forty three Cornyn

730
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 8: thirty three, Hunt better than he did, then Trump would

731
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Speaker 8: look at that and say, this guy's a loser. I'm

732
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 8: not going to endorse him. They just want Trump to

733
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 8: endorse John Cornan. Forget any other issue in the race,

734
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Speaker 8: just endorse him. And right now, in other rooms, I

735
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 8: am sure they're saying they got we got Tallerico, not Crockett.

736
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Speaker 8: There's no runoff on their side, so we're not sure

737
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 8: Paxton could win. Texas Republicans are not that worried. I mean,

738
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Speaker 8: they voted for this was the start I covered in

739
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two running it for ag after all of

740
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Speaker 8: his indictments.

741
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Speaker 4: George P.

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Speaker 8: Bush was running as the savior who would save the

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Speaker 8: ag seed, and Paxton was fine. So it's tough to

744
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Speaker 8: consence Republican voter. The people in DC who make these donations,

745
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 8: we're pretty well convinced that Paxton would blow it to Tallerriico,

746
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Speaker 8: So they're going to do that today. We're not talking

747
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Speaker 8: about any ideological differences. They're really weren't any of the campaign.

748
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Speaker 8: The entire argument against Hunt was that he was a

749
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Speaker 8: show voter, never showed up for votes. It was not

750
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 8: he voted wrong on something, it was just that and

751
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 8: packs were just kind of he wasn't raising as much money,

752
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 8: but he was kind of holding his powder because he

753
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 8: knew he had this locked in.

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Speaker 4: He had.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is similar what he got I think

756
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Speaker 8: in the his A Jube primary because he had two challengers.

757
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 8: I think he did a little bit better. But that's

758
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 8: that's the story. It's just there to the extent there

759
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 8: is a big Republican establishment. This has been their thing

760
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 8: for years. Is just we can't really make a positive

761
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 8: argument for our guy's individual record. We can say that

762
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 8: Trump loves them, So let's just like, wait this out

763
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 8: and see if we can get Tumpet in the race.

764
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Speaker 8: And the Hunt thing, the Hunt theory was Cordon's so

765
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Speaker 8: weak that I can leap frog in and I'd easily win.

766
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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 8: And if Republicans blow this at some point, they'll say,

768
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 8: why did we invest so much when we could have

769
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Speaker 8: just easily held the seat with Wesley Hunt, who would

770
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Speaker 8: not have any any problem, no scandals. That was kind

771
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Speaker 8: of the premises of a campaign. I'm a family man,

772
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 8: I'm a Christian, I'm a veteran. Look at this resume.

773
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Speaker 8: It's incredible. I'll just hold the seat, no problem. You know,

774
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 8: you dance with them that brung you, and they knew Cornyn,

775
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 8: they wanted him back. So it almost depressing talk of

776
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 8: these races. But literally know any logical difference, it is

777
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 8: just we know this guy, let's help him out.

778
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: Screw this guy for opposing him.

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00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, the ban and the ban and wing will

780
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: argue that that's not the case. You know, they described

781
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: Cornyn as a rhino, a liberal.

782
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he voted for that gun will seriously well some

783
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Speaker 4: of it.

784
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Speaker 5: His vibes right, that he's friendly with McConnell world and

785
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: fune world, and that he'll you know, throw Republicans under

786
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: the bus if he has to at any point, like

787
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: some of it's just like this guy's been around.

788
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: Also point yeah, he's probably not running for reelection. He's

789
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: like seventy seven or something, so he'd be eighty at

790
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: the end of this, so he would be beholden only

791
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: to people who are going to pay for his retirement. Paxton,

792
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: you know, was the first Republican AG to join Trump

793
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: and trying to overturn the twenty twenty election. Paston has

794
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: gone after big tech all over the place.

795
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Speaker 8: To the Supreme Court back, He'll he'll file these lawsuits

796
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 8: on on social issues that no other Republican. He'll get

797
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 8: to the head of the pack. I think him Andrew

798
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 8: Bailey in So that's an that if you are a

799
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 8: religious conservative, he is the one fighting for you.

800
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Speaker 4: And what's corn done.

801
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Speaker 5: On that even though he's a you know, yah, I'm

802
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 5: an aulterer.

803
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 6: Well, it's always going around.

804
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 7: It's almost like who these It's always like who these

805
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 7: politicians think they owe, right. I understand why Bannon and

806
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 7: Maga wants Paxton and not Cornyn because it's not I mean,

807
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 7: you're right, maybe you go down like bill by bill,

808
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 7: issue by issue, it's pretty similar, but it's it's the

809
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 7: perception of who they think they answer to, right the

810
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 7: I think the perception probably among the MAGA folks is

811
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 7: John Cornyn doesn't think he answers to us, yes, right, well, yeah,

812
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 7: he answers to that, yeah, yeah right. And Ken Paxon

813
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 7: clearly does answer to us. Ken Paxson sees that his

814
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 7: political formula is by aligning with us all the time,

815
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 7: and that's what they want.

816
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Speaker 5: Well, last point that I was going to make is

817
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 5: so run off May twenty six, got a couple months

818
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Speaker 5: for that now. But also what the thread between our

819
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 5: first segment on and Republicans I think that's interesting is

820
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 5: this is one of the first midterm cycles post twenty

821
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Speaker 5: twenty four. It's the first midterm cycle post twenty twenty four,

822
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 5: but it's also the independent media midterm cycle. Yeah right, Like,

823
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: are we pass the point of critical mass on independent

824
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 5: media changing these narratives in a way that does really

825
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: hurt incumbents and herts establishment candidates. Where Anita Alam can

826
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: make a race uncomfortable, where Dan Crenshaw can get trounced,

827
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Speaker 5: and I mean, I don't know I think that's that

828
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 5: Tallarico can run ads on top versus bottom.

829
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Speaker 3: And it's up against huge money on the Republican side

830
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: if you count the uncounted like C four and C

831
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Speaker 3: three money.

832
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Speaker 4: I'm curious if you would think this is correct.

833
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: I've seen the like Paxton crowd and backs and supporters

834
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: saying it probably approaches one hundred million if you factor

835
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Speaker 3: mail and everything in that we don't know about yet.

836
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Speaker 8: And they made buy the last quarters yeah, yeah, they

837
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 8: bought every point yeah, and then behind tax in four

838
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 8: or five six million, like a lot of money, but

839
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 8: nowhere near one hundred million dollars.

840
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Speaker 3: They're now looking at potentially if if Trump can't figure

841
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: out a way to like nuke this primary, another one

842
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: hundred or two million spent over is it two months

843
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: or three months?

844
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Speaker 4: Is it June?

845
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Speaker 3: It's Almo almost three months March April May of Republicans

846
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: like savagely attacking each other. So to spend one hundred

847
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: million dollars and to have a guy who's been in

848
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: office for decades and before that was attorney general attacks

849
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: like they know who this guy is, and still he

850
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: gets forty one point nine percent.

851
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: Is it crazy to think that.

852
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Speaker 3: If corn spends another hundred million dollars the next three

853
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Speaker 3: months against Paxton and Packston beats him, that then he's

854
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: wounded enough that it's actually a toss up in Texas.

855
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: Or should we not pay.

856
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 3: Attention to Texas because we've been fooled so many times.

857
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: It's like fly this right. No, and Tallarico then loses

858
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 4: by eight or something.

859
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 8: Well, and it would be unlike twenty twenty two twenty

860
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 8: eighteen with Cruz. Kruz has his enemies in Texas, but

861
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 8: better at raising money, has no scan whatever you think

862
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 8: of him, does not have any personal scandals.

863
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Speaker 4: Family man.

864
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Speaker 8: It would be a weaker can it they had in

865
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Speaker 8: twenty eighteen a stronger Democrat? No, not not impossible. It

866
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Speaker 8: just what's happened. It's that Latino vote shift. If that's

867
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Speaker 8: what Ken Paxton's betting on, that the Rio Grand Valley's

868
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 8: point is going to lock in the race for him.

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Speaker 4: No, would it would be a tough race.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they're full of it when they say

871
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Speaker 8: that Paxton makes them spend money and Cornyn doesn't. It

872
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 8: would be a he's part of the establishment race, But

873
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Speaker 8: it wouldn't be He would again have the money, and

874
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 8: they're just Paxton has not cultivated the sort of people

875
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Speaker 8: who can just keep dipping in. There are a lot

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Speaker 8: of in Texas and pax was very successful in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty four and getting rid of in primaries. Republicans can

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Speaker 8: vote to impeach him in the state legislatives, but that's

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Speaker 8: a smaller investment.

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Speaker 4: That's two hundred thousand dollars. You can take a guy out.

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Speaker 8: It's not if tall Rico becomes a phenom as he

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Speaker 8: already kind of is and spends one hundred does Paxon

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Speaker 8: have one hundred? From the nerity s see no, And

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Speaker 8: you've seen turning point in groups that are still angry

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Speaker 8: that there wasn't that money for Blake Masters in Arizona,

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Speaker 8: but there was money to save Lucia Rakowski in Alaska.

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Speaker 8: It would be a continuing sore point for why should

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Speaker 8: grassroots people get to it now? Stant leadership funds the

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Speaker 8: opposite of grass roots. They don't don't they don't care

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Speaker 8: about that. But that is the sort of thing the

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Speaker 8: tellery we can talk about. My DC wants this this

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Speaker 8: to happen. I have some donors and that are in DC.

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Speaker 8: Sure we all do, but I but this this guy,

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Speaker 8: this guy, this guy owes people. And I don't the

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Speaker 8: elements of an argument there. And but yeah, pat Packs

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Speaker 8: is just uh, I do think it's underage. Just he's

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Speaker 8: the guy if if a social conservative wants to sue

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Speaker 8: abortion clinics or to investigate clinics that do gender medicine

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Speaker 8: for minders, he will do it. He is a But

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Speaker 8: Texans Texas Republicans have not sent one of those guys

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Speaker 8: to the Senate. They've sent more talented politicians who have

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Speaker 8: some appeal be on the conservative base. This would be

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Speaker 8: new for them if they try in Paxton.

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Speaker 3: Now, everybody, everybody says Paxson is the more vulnerable candidate,

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Speaker 3: the Paxton crowd that his defenders, They say the opposite.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious for your take off. This is cop or

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Speaker 4: if anything real to this.

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Speaker 3: Their argument is Cornan has spent one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: attacking our boy.

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Speaker 4: We love Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 3: We are so mad that how vicious you have been

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Speaker 3: to our guy. That if Cornyn wins effort, we're staying home,

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Speaker 3: and and that and that a chunk of Paxson voters

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Speaker 3: won't even vote at all.

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Speaker 6: I don't, I don't think I'm buying that.

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Speaker 7: I think what I what I The one grain of

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Speaker 7: truth I think is that there's an argument that John

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Speaker 7: Cornyn being the nominee makes it easier for Tallarico to

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Speaker 7: be the anti system candidate, right the the there in Washington,

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Speaker 7: I'm I'm and and you can imagine the exactly and

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Speaker 7: and and and tall Ico can do the whole. It's

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Speaker 7: both parties in Washington, like it's Washington is the problem,

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Speaker 7: whether Republican or Democrat, and and Paxson makes that harder, definitely.

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Speaker 6: Right, Paxton.

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Speaker 7: I think that then what Tallerico probably has to do

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Speaker 7: is it's more of an anti Trump campaign or an

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Speaker 7: anti base of the like sort of the the extremist

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Speaker 7: base of the that that's how it would be portrayed.

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Speaker 8: The Republican Yeah exactly, they they want to run against Paxston.

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Speaker 8: That's true.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, right, But I but I do think that like

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Speaker 7: Cornyn being that the old establishment, I guess, which is

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Speaker 7: kind of crazy, but can be portrayed as the like

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Speaker 7: country club Republican news right, Like that's a whole different

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Speaker 7: campaign that I'm not convinced is like not.

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Speaker 6: Effective, like I think it can be. Next to a

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Speaker 6: picture of Biden exactly exactly.

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Speaker 5: But it was it was almost like Biden ask right,

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Speaker 5: except he was on a flight, so he should be.

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Speaker 4: Sleeping on a flight.

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Speaker 5: God bless anyone who could sleep on a plane. All Right,

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Speaker 5: we'll have to leave it there, everyone, Dave and Dave,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thanks for having me here.

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