1 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Joshua to Pulsky, and you somehow 2 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: have tuned into What Future, my new podcast about interesting 3 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: people in an interesting time on an interesting planet. Ah. 4 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: This is our first show. We have not shared a 5 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: full episode with any other human beings yet. Anyhow, you know, 6 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: it's all come together very rapidly. But also we took forever, 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: which is weird, but sometimes that happens in life. And 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm just very pleased to get started and talk to 9 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: people and hopefully, you know, crack open your brain and 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: and then pull the brain out of the skull. Actually, 11 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: I'd be cracking open your skull and then I'd be 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: pulling the brain I mean metaphorically, not actually, and then 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: putting your brain back into your skull. So that's what 14 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: probably what the show is gonna be like for most listeners, 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: I would imagine. So the first show is October. That's today, 16 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: that's right now, if you're listening to it on the 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: day that the show came out, and I know that 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: you are all of you, And it's very close to Halloween, 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: which is my favorite holiday, and just generally speaking, October 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: as a kick ass time of the year because it's 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: spooky and it's fall and there's pumpkins, and the weather 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: is turning but it's not too cold yet, and a 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of good horror movies come out, and so of 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: course around Halloween you started thinking about horror movies and 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: scary stuff and ghost stories. And I have a deep 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: love and a deep passion for you know, the genre 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: is called horror, but I think my relationship with that 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: genre is sort of there's a very specific kind of 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: horror I like. And I think when I imagine in 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the perfect sort of film, the one that is most 31 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: sort of sweet to me in the month of October, 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: I think of this movie by John Carpenter called In 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: the Mouth of Madness. I've never seen it, and I've 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: loved John Carpenter. I've never even heard of it. Oh 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: my god, that's insane. You have to see it immediately. 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: By the way, if you're wondering who this voice is, 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: that's my producer, Lyrah Smith, who will be making appearances. 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: She'll largely be telling me about what movies she hasn't seen. 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: That's just now. In the Mouth of Madness is the 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: third in his Apocalypse trilogy. The first one is The Thing, 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: the second one is Prince of Darkness, Which is which was? 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it probably competes for being my favorite John 43 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Carpenter movie. It's that or In the Mouth of Madness. 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I kind of don't know which one it is. And 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: I first saw In the Mouth of Madness. I don't 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: think it was the first John Carpenter movie I saw, 47 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: but I maybe wasn't so aware of his entire output. 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: I probably had seen They Live in a few others. 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: But but one night I was at my parents house. 50 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: I was not living there at the time, but it 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: was late at night. I don't really know why I 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: was there. Maybe I had gone there to eat some 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: of their food. This is not an important part of 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: the story, but it is a part of the story. 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: Any I was sitting on the self, I was slipping 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: through channels and I had found this film and I 57 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: was probably, like, I don't know how far into it, 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: but I had walked into this movie that I had 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: not seen before. And it was these two guys that 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: are dining or talking, and there's this man walking across 61 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: the street with an axe in his hand, and it's 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: a New York City street scene, and everybody's like screaming 63 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: and running away from him, and he's just walking towards 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: and eventually like smashes the axe through the through the window. 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: It's a unbelievable sequence. But I was like, what is this? 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: What is about? And and the film In the Mouth 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: of Madness is a very special kind of horror movie. 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: And like most of the ones that I like, it 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: is not that it is super gory, though there are 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: gory moments, and it's not that like you see people 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: getting repeatedly stabbed or getting their arms chopped off or 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: what where there is like horrific sort of violence in it. 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: But the thing that makes it upsetting, and that makes 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: it even on repeat viewings, horrific film, is that it 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: plays with the idea of reality. It plays with what 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: we think of as our reality versus what it actually 77 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: might be, and that our perceptions of this reality I 78 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes they're just on a razor's edge. And 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I think the films that I love the most, and 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: John Carpenter has done a whole handful of movies like 81 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: this which are interested in this idea of like what 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: is reality, but they're also interested in a genre which 83 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: is called cosmic horror, which is the things that are 84 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: happening are not that they aren't real or they aren't 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, something tangible, but they're something beyond our understanding, 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: from a place that we don't understand and can't really 87 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: communicate with. So when I think about the best horror 88 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: the stuff that I love, and I would say David 89 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: Lynch movies fall into this category. You know, it's something 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: like Lost Highway or Mulholland Drive. There's a lot of 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: sort of this undercurrent of something isn't right with reality, 92 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: like something is broken here and and you kind of 93 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: feel like you're never on solid ground with where it's 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: going and what might happen next. And that got me thinking, 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: as we are entering Halloween and Halloween season, about the 96 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: horror of actual reality that we're currently living in, Like 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: the fact that every day it feels like something truly 98 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: cataclysmic or at the very least extremely disturbing is happening. 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Right If it's not you know, World War three or 100 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: school shootings or you know, Trump winning in four, it's 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: some form of you know, sort of huge distress that 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: we're all experiencing. And I think that it's hard sometimes 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: to navigate that stuff in your daily life and then 104 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: go and enjoy something that is supposed to scare you, Right, 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of harder to be scared now because we 106 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: have so much that's terrifying in reality. And I'm really 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: excited that this is our first episode because I get 108 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: to talk about horror movies, which again I do love, 109 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: but also a lot of what we want to do 110 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: on this show, and a lot of what I want 111 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: to talk about on the show is the places where 112 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of reality and fiction meet, the places where art 113 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: and the Internet intersects, sort of the way that we 114 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: experience things and trying to understand what those things are 115 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: and sort of make sense of them or maybe learn 116 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: something about them. And so I think it's fertile ground 117 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: in terms of what is horror and how does it work, 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: But because we live in such a precarious moment, I 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: think the concept of horror is changing, and talking about 120 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: what that looks like and how it feels is pretty important. 121 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: And so in thinking about this, I started to think 122 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: about new films that have been released that are really 123 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: speaking about or talking to what is happening reality and 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: landed on this, you know, realization that Blumhouse, which is 125 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: like now like the kind of the place where you 126 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: find the new horror movies or the new franchises is 127 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: doing something that is really interesting in that they are 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: making movies that are kind of sometimes very much about 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: the reality that we live in, but also weirdly fun, 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: which is hard for me to to sort of compute 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: how you navigate the idea of being scared in a 132 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: fun way against or versus being scared in a real way, 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: which is something that we are all, I think every 134 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: day feeling. And so I thought, okay, well, let me 135 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: go to the source. Let me talk to Jason Blum, 136 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: the guy who started the company and who is literally 137 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: personally responsible for some of the most horrific and also 138 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: interesting films of the past like ten years or more. 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: So we have Jason Blum, the founder of blum House, 140 00:07:44,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: a master of horror, and he's here with us right now. Jason, 141 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. I know you're a very 142 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: busy man. How much sleep did you get last night? 143 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: I am very careful about my sleep. I really, I 144 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: really get let's see, at twelve to seven, I got 145 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: seven and a half hours. I really try and keep 146 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: it over seven. That's a healthy amount. I rarely get 147 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: less than seven, and when I do, I promised myself 148 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: never to do that again. I Uh, I got a 149 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: lot less because I actually was up to like two 150 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning watching some blum House content. I 151 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: was I was watching The Forever Purge. That's a good one, 152 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: but I'm going to come back to the Forever Perch. 153 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, it's going to be a topic. 154 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: So blum House has not only done horror, but I 155 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: think you're sort of synonymous with being the place for 156 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: modern horror. But would you describe blum House like that? 157 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: I would describe blum as as the place for modern 158 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: horror or horror movies. We do the occasional with Blash, 159 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Black Plansmen, handful of others. TV a little bit differently. 160 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: TV is more like is straight horror, and I would 161 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: call horror adjacent or about horrible things. Okay, give me 162 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: what's horror adjacent. We made a mini series about Roger 163 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Ailes called The Loudest Voice in the Room. To me, 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: he's a horrible thing. That's horror adjacent. Maybe just horror, Yeah, 165 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: maybe just horror. We made a mini series recently for 166 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Showtime called The Good Lord Bird, which is about John Brown, 167 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: which was about the worst thing that the United States 168 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: probably ever did, which was obviously slavery. So I feel 169 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: like what you said is true. And we really try 170 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: and stick with projects that if they're not horror, they're 171 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: tangentially related to horror. Right now, we haven't done that 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the time, but but pretty close. 173 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: So take me back to how you ended up in 174 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: this particular space, and my guess is I'd be surprised 175 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to hear that you don't have some love of the genre. 176 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: But can you talk to me about, like what the 177 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: moment was or what the film was that made you 178 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: think this is a thing that I want to do. Yeah, 179 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: I've grown to love the genre, but that's not really 180 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: why I got into horror. I got into horror because 181 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: I was caught between a love of making independent films 182 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: and a strong dislike for the distribution of independent films, 183 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: which is very broken, and a love of studio distribution 184 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: because everyone gets to see what you made, and a 185 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: dislike for the process of studio production. My goal in 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: life was to make a studio film, and I finally 187 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: made this movie, The Tooth Fairy for Fox before Blumhouse existed, 188 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: and uh, and making a studio film was the opposite 189 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: of what I thought it was going to be, was 190 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: very frustrating. Distribution was great. Paranormal Activity came out about 191 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: the same time as The Tooth Faerry came out, and 192 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: what Paranormal Activity did was kind of coalesced almost twenty 193 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: years of trying to find my place into the business 194 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: in one weekend, which was Wow. There's a way to 195 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: make independent movies. They can be subversive, they can be 196 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: about difficult things. They don't have to have movie stars 197 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: in them. You can have a lead character die in 198 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: the first act. All these kind of creative risks that 199 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: you could only take with independent movies, which is why 200 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: I liked independent movies. Storytelling you could do with horror movies, 201 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: but with horror movies you get a studio to release them. 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: And so really I came to horror through business and 203 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: the notion that I could continue my love of independent movies. 204 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: But if you look at our originals and you take 205 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: out the scares, there really a series of like indie 206 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: sundance movies. You look at Sinister, it's about a frustrated 207 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: writer who's trying to have another hit book, who moves 208 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: his family into a house that's very dangerous, and he 209 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: chooses his career over his family, which is really kind 210 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: of the storyline of an independent movie. And and most 211 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: of the movies that we've done, the original horror movies 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: that we've done, are really independent movies dressed up as 213 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: scary movies. I think it's true that the plotlines are 214 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: off often, you know, in some way almost art films. 215 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: But don't say our indie I mean, God forbid hard Okay, sorry, 216 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: I take that back. I wouldn't would never describe one 217 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: of your films as art. That's yeah, that's as bad 218 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: as saying elevated horror. Wow, do you take issue with 219 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: the elevated horror designation? Elevated horror is code word for 220 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: people saying like I'm better than people who like horror movies, 221 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: like I don't really like horror, but elevated horror is 222 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: something I would stoop so low as to watch. And 223 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: sometimes even directors say it, which is even worse, like 224 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't make a horror movie, but an elevated horror 225 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I would make, which is literally like a director saying 226 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't make like a bad movie, but I would 227 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: make a good movie. Right, Well, isn't genre kind of 228 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: ghetto eyes in a way. Like, I mean, this is 229 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: true in literature as well, right, Like science fiction and 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: fantasy is considered not real literature. Right then there's a 231 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: certain bar like Kurt Vonnegut, who wrote a lot of 232 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: science fiction, is considered a real author. And then the 233 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: guys who were Paul for Philip K. Dick and his 234 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: heyday would have been considered like this kind of genre, 235 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: like Paul kind of crappy writer. But the quality of 236 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: the work, the variance is non existent. It's just as 237 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: hard to direct or create a great horror movie as 238 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: it is to create a great art movie. But yes, 239 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: it is kind of ghetto eised, and that's another reason 240 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: why I really liked it, right, right, I mean, when 241 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: you were a kid, you weren't like you watch Halloween 242 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: and suddenly you were struck that you must create horror films. 243 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: This is not like a lifelong passion for you. Everything 244 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: in my personality and nature is someone who likes horror movies. 245 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: I didn't dislike them, but I wasn't like a crazy 246 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: horror movie fan at all, and I should have been, 247 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: because like I'm kind of weird and I'm an outsider 248 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. So I should have 249 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: appreciated them much more than I did. But luckily or 250 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: in Pelly saved my life and made paranormal activity. I mean, 251 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: that's wild to me. I thought for sure you were 252 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: going to tell me that you've grew up on you know, 253 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Wes Craven and John Carpenter or something, which is which 254 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: I did. So it's interesting that you just were like, 255 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: this is actually a great vehicle for filmmaking because of 256 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and maybe explain this to me, because I'm not in 257 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: the industry. Tell me what was better about being able 258 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: to do some of the paranormal activity. The idea that 259 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: you pay fifteen dollars for like this little indie art 260 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: movie at the one last art cinema in New York, right, 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: or fifteen dollars at the multiplex with this other movie. 262 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: It's so strange. Like the art movie, they spent two 263 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars marketing this little movie, and the Studio 264 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Movies spent fifty million dollars marketing the movie. And the 265 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: budgets also the budgets of the one movie or three 266 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: dollars and the other movies a two million dollars. It's 267 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: still fills a ticket or whatever. I just was always 268 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: so frustrated that you'd worked so hard on this, this movie, 269 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: and it's just very hard to get distribution. And once 270 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: you get distribution, because they're competing for screens with these bohemoth, 271 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: huge American corporations, it just very hard. So your movie 272 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: doesn't play for very long, and if it does, it's 273 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: a miracle, and you're begging everyone for favors. You beg 274 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: people to go see it versus this machine that puts 275 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: like three thousand versions of your movies out on Friday Night, 276 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: just way more appealing to me. But so, is there 277 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: a shortcut with horror? Is it that it plays two 278 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: larger audiences even though you can Yeah, there's there's a 279 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: huge shortcut with horror, which is it's like this trojan horse, 280 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: like you can sneak these crazy stories into this totally 281 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: mainstream system. You can sneak get out, you know. Or 282 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the purge, which is the purchase of movie about gun 283 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: control in America. Now, if you pitched a studio said hey, 284 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a movie about gun control, they would 285 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: show you out of the office before you get They 286 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: don't want to make a movie about gun control. It's 287 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: a nightmare for them. It's political. No matter your pro 288 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: work on half the audience is going to disagree with you. 289 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: We know, don't want to make political movies. It's a 290 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: nightmare for them. But if you say you're gonna make 291 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: a movie about if crime is legal from seven in 292 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: the morning until seven at night, well, it's a great concept. Cool, 293 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: what is it like? It's a genre movie, so you 294 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: can use horror to get kind of unusual ideas to 295 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: a very broad audience, which is which is so fun. 296 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating point. I've never heard anybody articulate that. 297 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I did not understand that. I don't think most people 298 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: are aware of that. I mean, obviously, horror films are 299 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: different than a big budget action movie or at a 300 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: drama or whatever, because horror is deranged. I mean, most 301 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: horror films have, I do, extremely bizarre right, even from 302 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: the most simple of Michael Myers is going to just 303 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: walk and stab until you know if somebody sets him 304 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: on fire, or the very complex stuff like the Purge 305 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: is actually a very complex idea. I mean in terms 306 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: of the the entire thing you need to understand. Maybe 307 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm feeling fresh from my viewing of the Forever Purge. 308 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: But but yeah, but I didn't understand. I guess like 309 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: when you were first talking about this what you meant. 310 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: But it is like in like Mario Brothers, you're like 311 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: taking the warp pipe to another level because it's like 312 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: they will let things fly that would not fly otherwise, 313 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: and there's a huge audience for it. Yeah, there's this 314 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: great feeling of beating the system. And uh, you look 315 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: at you look at I P the same way like 316 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: The Invisible Man, even that movie that's a very you know, 317 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: forward thinking movie about male power and abuse. The same idea. 318 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: Like if you said you wanted to do a wide 319 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: released movie about those things, sure you want to make 320 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: a Sundance movie about about those topics. That's what sundances. 321 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: For the thing is, it's extraordinarily difficult to do. Of 322 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: the hundred movies that we've made, not all of them 323 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: are like directly about a social issue or whatever. A 324 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: lot of them are just like straight scary movies, which 325 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: I also like. But it's very hard to to do both. 326 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: But it certainly is like very exciting when we get 327 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: a movie that connects with people that that is scary 328 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: and also touches on an issue that's like the magical 329 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: triangle for us. Then let me actually bring it back 330 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: to what I started talking about, because I've been thinking 331 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: a lot about this and and actually I wasn't intending 332 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: to watch The Forever Purge as a component of this conversation, 333 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: but then I ended up realizing it's almost the perfect 334 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: movie to have watched discussed it because so many of 335 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: the Blumhouse films do touch on pretty serious political and 336 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: societal issues. If you don't know what The Purge is, 337 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: by the way, and I don't know how you wouldn't, 338 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: because it's been a very popular series. It imagines in 339 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: America where one night out of the year, all crime 340 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: is legal, and to get all of this bad stuff 341 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: out of our systems that we do all year round 342 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: there like if we just condense it into one day 343 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: and make every crime legal, everybody will be fine and 344 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: then the next day will just go back to normal. 345 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: And that's largely what the films are about. And there's 346 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: five of The Purge of is and a TV series anyway, 347 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: the most recent one is I mean unabashedly about like 348 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: white supremacy, I mean just not even hiding it is right, 349 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: it's got actual Nazis in it, and and it depicts 350 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: in America, which I think, you know, it feels frightening 351 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: lee possible at this particular momentum. There's a character who's 352 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: listening to gunfire and he says, that's American music, the 353 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: different guns, and I think it's you know, it's pretty 354 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: fucking spot on, right, like for the climate. But we 355 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: live in a world that is terrifying in a million 356 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: different ways, I think right now, Like we're you know, 357 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: on the precipice of maybe a world war. You know, 358 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: we've got like crazy economy stuff happening. There's still you know, 359 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Maga and Trump stuff, and you know, real neo Nazism 360 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: in this country. How do you approach where to draw 361 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: the line? Like, for instance, we have school shootings in 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: America right where kids get killed on a pretty regular basis. Now, 363 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: it's terrifying and horrible and like about the worst thing 364 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: you can think of a movie about. That wouldn't be fun, right, 365 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can we can agree that 366 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't be like a fun Blumhouse production, and you probably 367 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't go there. But how do you know when to 368 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: draw the line? How do you make those decisions about 369 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: what political topics you can go there with them. Well, 370 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things to unpacking your question. The 371 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: first thing is that horror has to be scary. If 372 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: you just depict violence or you just depict something gross, 373 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: it's not scary. So you have to make that distinction. 374 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: And then the second thing you're asking is people have 375 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: different points of view about this. It is my point 376 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: of view that the more you show and depict, the 377 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: more people are talking about these things, and the more 378 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: conversation there is about bad things in the world, the 379 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: more chance there is to fix those bad things. Right. 380 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, some people have from a point of view 381 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: about that, which which is okay, we don't have a 382 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: meter for how far we'll take something. The Perch Wise 383 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: are a good example. The Perch as a franchise, all 384 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: five movies are and the TV show to The underlying 385 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: topic of all of them is gun control. Each one 386 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: has a different kind of specific thing that they tackle. 387 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the one. There's one 388 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: with a female presidential candidate before Hillary ran, which was incredible. 389 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: So each one had its own mini category under beneath 390 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: the category of the insane. Relationship that the United States 391 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: has two guns, which is the purveying theory behind all 392 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: of them. The lens that we look at. Just to 393 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: answer this second part of your question with what I 394 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: was saying in the first is is it scary or 395 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: an expose. If it's an expose, we're not doing it. 396 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: And if we did any expose s it was a mistake. 397 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: It's got to be scary. It's got to be scary. 398 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: It's got to engage the audience. No one wants to 399 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: go see an expose or they turn on a documentary. 400 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: If they want to see an They're not going to 401 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: the movie theater on Friday night to see an They're 402 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: going to get scared. And so that's really the lens 403 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: that we look at it. You could make a movie 404 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: about white supremacy if it's scary, which I would argue, 405 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, the last Purge was I think it's scary 406 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: because it's about things that feel real. Yeah, well that's 407 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: also true. I will say gun control. I don't know 408 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: that I took away a message like pro gun control. 409 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: I was like, everybody needs a gun in the world 410 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: of the Purge. Did you see the first movie? Yeah, 411 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: a while ago, because the first Purchase, it's very pointedly 412 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: about gun control. I had this, Well, it doesn't matter. 413 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I had a disagreement about with a critic once about 414 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: all this. But what was the What was the disagreement, Well, 415 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: she said, I thought, I don't think the message is 416 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: very clear in the first movie that it's anti gun. 417 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Any rational person watching the movies, they don't think the 418 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: Purchase is a good idea. Actually, is that true? Though? 419 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, of course, there's like, you know, 420 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: some you know, three percent of the nutball population that 421 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: thinks the Purchase is a good idea. The Purchase supposed 422 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: to be a cautionary tale of if we keep solving 423 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: violence in America and school shootings in America, and if 424 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: our answer keeps being give everyone more guns and make 425 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: them more powerful, we're going to wind up with the Purge, 426 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: which is a world no one would want to live in, 427 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: but clearly some lunatics would want to live in it. 428 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you a funny thing about the Purge. The 429 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: Purge in France is called America's Nightmare that they translate 430 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: instead of calling it. There's no translation for the Purge, 431 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: so the title is like America's Nightmare, Um and the 432 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: Funnily Enough, in Europe and in countries where gun control 433 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: is more rational, the movies are very well understood as 434 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: a cautionary tale. In America, some of us are bananas, 435 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: so we think we might think it's a good idea, 436 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: which is so crazy. I mean it could be because 437 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: we've built almost the entire movie industry on like fetishizing guns, 438 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: and I mean some of the most famous films of 439 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: all time are you know, guns are very necessary for 440 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: the main characters to get their way or to get 441 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: to the point. That is very true. It's possible that 442 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't look that way because we actually have a 443 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: gun problem right in the country. Yeah, how important is 444 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: it to these things also have a message that they're 445 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: also trying to kind of sneak in something political or 446 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: societal to say, I think it's more interesting if they're 447 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: about something. And I don't want to pretend to say 448 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: every movie we've we've made is about something. Some of 449 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: them aren't. Some of them are just straight scary and 450 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: straight commercial. And there's a thrill to making a hit 451 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: scary movie absolutely because it's it's so hard to make 452 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: a hit movie period, So to have a hit that's 453 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: just a scary movie, and about something is certainly a thrill. 454 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: I think it's more interesting when the movies are about something, 455 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: and we aspired to do that. But I couldn't run 456 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: the company if I'm mandated that that's the only thing 457 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: that we would do, right, Excuse me. I couldn't run 458 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: the company profitably if I mandated that's the only thing 459 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: that we were going to do. So sometimes it just 460 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: has to be a thrill ride you're thinking about it 461 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: in a wrong way. We read it, we love it, 462 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: it's scary, we want to do it now. It's icing 463 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: on the kick if it's about something. But even if 464 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: it is about something, if we love it and we 465 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: think it's scary, we want to do it. How many 466 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: movies have you made in the genre? How many have 467 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: you made? I think almost a hundred hundred. So you're 468 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: a modern clearly very smart man. And I assume you've 469 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: got data on all of these movies. I'm sure you're 470 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: looking at all kinds of interesting metrics about how they perform. 471 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Is there any correlation one way or the other, any 472 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: any sort of data that you have about movies about 473 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: something versus ones that are more straightforward, that they work well, 474 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: they don't work well. There's certain markets where they blow 475 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: up and others where they don't. I hate data, okay, interesting, 476 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: and I think that it is the death of creativity. Okay. 477 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: And if we use data to make decisions, every movie 478 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: that we did that's been about something would never have 479 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: been made. If you use data, you would never make 480 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Get Out. If you use data, you would you would 481 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: never make The Invisible Man, you would never make Split. 482 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: Any interesting movie that we made wouldn't have gotten made 483 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: with data. So you're rejecting data. I vehemently reject, oppose, 484 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: and despise data. Yes, you must hate Netflix. I definitely 485 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: don't hate Netflix. I have a lot of business with Netflix. 486 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: But I would not want to work at Netflix because 487 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to make decisions based on data. That 488 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: would not be That's not something I said, something I 489 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: believe in. See that's interesting. I would have expected. And 490 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: maybe this is just like because I'm a deranged person 491 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: who's from the Internet and I think about like a 492 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: data rules everything. I actually think you know, a lot 493 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: of the problems that the streamers are having probably have 494 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: to do with the reliance on data versus like the 495 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: instinct of the creators, the artists who are actually making 496 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: this stuff. But the problems that the streamers are having 497 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: as it relates to quality, have an enormous amount to 498 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: do with data, not alone, but for sure. So that 499 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: actually kind of leads into something I want to ask 500 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: you about, which is, I don't know how much you've 501 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: studied Roger Corman. Roger Corman for those that don't know, 502 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: and I apologize if you do now was a producer 503 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: who essentially started sort of the wave of being movies 504 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and he employed really really famous directors and 505 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: he basically gave them no money but let them sort 506 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: of do whatever they want, like Ron Howard and Martin 507 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Scorsese and Jonathan Demi and Peter Bugdanovich and Joe Dante, 508 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, crazy directors worked for him. And he worked 509 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: with a ton of really amazing actors like Dennis Hopper 510 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: and Jack Nicholson and Sylvester Stallone. But he made all 511 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: of the movies really cheaply and very quickly, and just 512 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: like was cranking them out anyway. I've watched interviews with you, 513 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: and I've I've read stuff, and I think Planet Money 514 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: did a show about blum House and this kind of like, 515 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, cheap, fast and dirty method. But to me 516 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: it reminded me a lot of what I've you know, 517 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: read and heard about Roger Corman. Was any of what 518 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: he was doing an influence to how you've done this? Yeah, 519 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know much about Roger Corman. In 520 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: other words, I didn't like, look at his company and say, 521 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: we'll do that. But we share a lot of DNA 522 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: with Roger Corman. We also don't share a lot of DNA. 523 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: What we there's there's a lot that we do that's 524 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: the same him, which is, we make a lot of 525 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: low budget movies for sure, and no one gets paid 526 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: unless the movies make money. All that stuff. The biggest 527 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: difference between Roger Corman and Blumhouse on the movie side 528 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: of the business. TV is another thing altogether, But on 529 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: the movie side of the business is almost all of 530 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: his movies were done by first time directors. We almost 531 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: never do movies with first time directors. Hollywood puts an 532 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: enormous amount of emphasis great for our company. Kind of dumb, 533 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: I think, but great for our company on a director's 534 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: last movie. So even if a director has done three 535 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: great movies. If the last movie hasn't performed well, it's 536 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: more difficult for him or her to get a job 537 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: than it should be. So I'm particularly focused on either 538 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: showrunners people who come from TV Jordan peel Right, or 539 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: directors who maybe their last movie wasn't a big financial windfall, 540 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: but they have that in their past. James One comes 541 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: up Saw one and two like one of the most 542 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: successful horror movies ever of all time. He makes these 543 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: two movies for Universal that are interesting movies, they don't 544 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: quite connect with audiences. The guy cannot get arrested. He 545 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: comes into my office, he pitches me, I'm gonna make 546 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Saw again. I have one constraint. I wanted to be PG. 547 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: Thirteen because he doesn't want to be known as the Saw. 548 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: Guy comes up with Insidious. We just shot our fifth 549 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: Insidious movie. Guy came up with the Country and Guys 550 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: one of the most prolific, most successful people in Hollywood 551 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: and one of the great artists in Hollywood, and he 552 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: made a movie for my broken down company. I never 553 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: I had made one movie when it came to me, 554 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: because no one would make Insidious, which is the difference 555 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: between us and Corman, and that and that's a that's 556 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: a big difference. Is there a movie you've seen recently, 557 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: a film that you did not make, You did not 558 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: have a hand in that. You were like, I wish 559 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: I had made that course of course, Quiet Place I 560 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: wish I made. And the Conjuring I wish I made. 561 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: Those are the two. Did you get a crack at them? No? No, 562 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: but but I still I still they keep me up 563 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: at night. They haunt me, both of them. Well, like 564 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: sort of like a horror film. Obviously, like you've spent 565 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about things that are scary. 566 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: My guess is you've got a pretty good sense of 567 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: what scares people at this point. Would you say that's true? 568 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Yes, what do you in 569 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: reality is scary? Donald Trump? And that's not a controversial 570 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: statement to make, is it? In Hollywood? It's very controversial. 571 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Of the country disagrees with me. I would say it's 572 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: about as controversial as you can get. There's a chunk 573 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: of those people that want to do the purge for real, right, 574 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I think we can agree on that. You know what, 575 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: I would not go that far. I will not say that. 576 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I'll say that we made a great movie. If you 577 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: were going to ask me, Like, one of my biggest 578 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: regrets I have is that The Hunt didn't get the 579 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of release and the attend and that it should 580 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: have gotten. The Hunt was a movie that was controversial, right. 581 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: I actually did not see The Hunt, so I'm a 582 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: bit ignorant here, But you watch that tonight. The Hunts 583 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: one of the best movies the company has ever made. 584 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: We would have been talking about The Hunt three right now, 585 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: but Trump tweeted about it and a journalist wrote a 586 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: story about it and that it was incorrect. But that's 587 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: all it took to doom the movie, and the movie 588 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: was doomed. And just to be clear, the Hunt is 589 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: a movie about people hunting people. And what year did 590 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: this come out? The Hunt came out the week before 591 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic began in March. Well that's kind of a 592 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: double whammy. That's true also, but that wasn't why it 593 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: didn't work the way it showed up. But what I 594 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: was saying bringing up The Hunt is I'm very against 595 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: like dividing red and blue. I don't believe in that 596 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: um and I think that it's unfortunate, not that anyone 597 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: gives a shit about what I have to say to politics. 598 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: I just hate Donald Trump, that's all. I certainly have 599 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: nothing against the people who voted for him. I just 600 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: don't like him. The hunt is about the fact that 601 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: there a streams on both sides, and that there's the 602 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: majority of America's in the middle. That's what it's about 603 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: to make. There aren't extremes on both sides, but there 604 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: are extreme nutballs on both sides. Come on, that's I agree, 605 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: except I think you will agree that there's only one 606 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: party that's like, we don't believe in the results of 607 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: the election. But it's not the whole party, you know, 608 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: and and and that is it's not the whole party 609 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: the Republicans, um miss Cheney for instance. You know, I agree, 610 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: I agree, there's a few good ones in there. I'm 611 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: not trying to put you on the spot. Oh, I 612 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: would totally disagree. I think most Republicans are great people, 613 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: most of them, I mean people. Maybe I don't know 614 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: how they are as legislators. But okay, that's a whole 615 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: other podcast. That's a whole other story. Anyhow. Okay, So, 616 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: and this has been so interesting, actually so much more 617 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: interesting than I could have imagined. So glad not to say, 618 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: I didn't think you would be interesting, but you had 619 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: answers that I did not see coming. Thought you were 620 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: going to have like a fanboy conversation. No, I don't know, 621 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: I thought. I thought, I don't know what I thought. 622 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: You're just your comment about data to me is kind 623 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: of blowing my mind because everybody in the industry you 624 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: can't create. Could you imagine going to an artist who 625 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: paints paintings and say, let's look at the data from 626 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: the Gogosian Gallery of the artists that have sold in 627 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: the last ten years. Now paint something based on that. Yeah, 628 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: data is death to art and creativity. But I can't 629 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: imagine that. And it does happen for sure. I mean 630 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: it's happening right now with paintings. I have no doubt 631 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: that somebody is studying what has been successful in art 632 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: and they are looking at who is out there that 633 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: is in a style or in a genre in they're 634 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: like getting the beginning of the end of American dominance 635 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: and culture will be data. Okay, And your next film 636 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: was going to be about It's gonna be a horrific 637 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: film about a movie about data. Exactly good. One other 638 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk to you about. Which is 639 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: you made a movie. It's called Unfriended Dark Web too. 640 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: There's two of them. Okay, yes, I mean basically it's 641 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of about the Internet, right much whenever I see 642 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: a movie that uses the Internet or like a set 643 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: cell phone as a device like technology, I find that 644 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: it's very hard to be scared by anything happening on 645 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: the Internet. Do you have to work extra hard to 646 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: make the Internet or a phone scary? Is it even possible? 647 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: It's impossible. I think that t More and the guys 648 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: who made that movie came as close as you can. 649 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: I agree with you, there's no it's like impossible to 650 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: make something scary when you're staring at a serious screen 651 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: or what else from the screen? Almost impossible, right, It's 652 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: an interesting like almost like this black hole for horror. 653 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people have tried it totally. As soon 654 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: as you get to the screen, you know the ring worked. 655 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why the ring worked. It's there's a screen, 656 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: but it's this other worldly sort of portal. The Internet 657 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: weirdly enough, doesn't feel like another worldly portal, or maybe 658 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: it is so much of a portal. I think the 659 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: Internet is very scary, but it's impossible to make it 660 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: scary in a movie. Well, I think that is about 661 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: the best possible place we could leave it. Jason, I 662 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: have to say, this is a fascinating conversation. Glad. Appreciate 663 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: you taking the time, and oh oh wait to say 664 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: can before you go? Of course there are new Blumhouse 665 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: things happening. Yes, of course, Soft and Quiet, give me 666 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: two seconds on it. Softing Quiet. It's a great movie 667 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: directly about white supremacy, and it just hits it right 668 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: on the nose. It's pro white supremacy or anti white supremacy. 669 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: It is very anti and there's not two sides of 670 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: white supremacy. That's not that there's not an equivalent of 671 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm just making sure there's only one side of that. 672 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: And uh Beth who directed this movie, all in one take, 673 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: and it's um about this incredibly frightening incident that takes 674 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: place with this group of women, and it's spectacular. I 675 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: love the movie. And it's one take. It's one take, yeah, 676 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: and it's great and it's great and it's great and 677 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: I hope everyone sees it. Okay, that's coming out November four, Nanny, 678 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: which sounds like I'm not an expert. But there's no 679 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: way the nanny is like a good guy in this movie. Novem. Well, no, 680 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: the nanny is quite good. It's the it's the people 681 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: who employ the nanny. The nanny is the good guy. 682 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Okay, well I don't want to, you know, 683 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: you gotta go see the movie. But the movie is great. Okay, yeah, 684 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: I know spoilers. We have November toy three. Actually in 685 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: this last one, Megan which I assume it is pronounced Megan, 686 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: not M threegan. But Megan is amazing. The trailers out now, 687 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: the trailers fucked up. The trailers upsetting in a big way. 688 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: You know that. See the trailer it's to rip it 689 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: and uh, it's made with James One, the gentleman I 690 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: talked about earlier. He's the he's my producing partner on it. 691 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: And the movie is just fantastic. It opens in January. 692 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: It's very very very very scary and creepy and and 693 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: we'll haunt you at night, the trailers haunting me. Did 694 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: you expect the viral kind of thing to happen with 695 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: the trailer? Did you see that coming? I didn't expect it, 696 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: but I hoped for it. And I'm glad it happened. See, 697 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: if you'd studied the data, you would have known that 698 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: was going to happen. Yeah, you're not paying attention. I 699 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: stead of the data, no one would have seen the trailer. 700 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: If I studied the data, we wouldn't have made the 701 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: movie exactly. All right, Jason, thank you so much. Come 702 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: back and do this against until. It's a great pleasure. 703 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: I'd love to really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me, 704 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for being bye bye. Well, that was a fantastic conversation. Uh, 705 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: far better than I could possibly have imagined any conversation 706 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: that I've ever had going. So what did you think 707 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: was the most surprising part? He had very strong feelings 708 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: about data, which I feel like it is very encouraging 709 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: to me and exciting because his films are successful and 710 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people love them, and I also think 711 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: data is overused some places, particularly in the creation of art. 712 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it was good. I mean, it was 713 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: fascinating that he's done a life hack on the movie 714 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: industry with this idea of horror being like a broad 715 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: release sort of thing that you don't have to spend 716 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money on, which is I mean, truly 717 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: an incredible point that I would have never thought of 718 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: or considered. But it is true that. I mean, these 719 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: are blockbuster movies they're making, but they're making them on off, 720 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: done on very small budgets. I mean, Paranormal Activity apparently 721 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: was made for fifteen thousand dollars and it grows two 722 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: hundred nine three million, which is like, that's like dream 723 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: movie stuff. Like every person in the in the industry 724 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: is like, if I could just make a movie for 725 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: five cents and it makes one billion dollars, that would 726 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: be ideal. So, I mean, he's kind of cracked this again, 727 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: it's like a hack, which I think is it's very cool. 728 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: But um, I mean, actually, when I started thinking about 729 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: this conversation, one of my prevailing thoughts was, how do 730 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: you make white supremacy in a film ever fun? And 731 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a crazy thought, but in 732 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: the latest Purge installment, it's obviously the white supremacists are terrible. 733 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: They are the villains. It's not ambiguous, it's not both sides. 734 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,959 Speaker 1: It's like they are unambiguously the bad guys, and it's 735 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: great when they get killed. We love when they get killed. 736 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: Everybody's up screaming out of their seats when they get killed. 737 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: If you're like a neo Nazi, bet these movies are 738 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: really weird for you. I mean, it would be so 739 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: amazing to watch a bunch of neo Nazis watch the 740 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: latest Purge movie, because they'd be like, wait a second, anyhow. 741 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: But I think it is is fascinating that it can 742 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 1: be a fun movie and action packed and scary and suspenseful, 743 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: but also it is talking about immigration and white supremacists 744 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: and you know, a conservative political party that's obsessed with 745 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: violence and and guns, and it is definitely talking about 746 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: that stuff. It is definitely means. Sometimes it's heavy handed, 747 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: sometimes it's more subtle, but those are topics and the 748 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: types of movies those things are discussed in are nine 749 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: times out of ten are documentaries, and they don't make 750 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office. So, 751 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, is it good is it bad? I can't say, 752 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: but it's happening, and it is an interesting and very 753 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: modern place to be in filmmaking that that maybe that's 754 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: the only way to talk about it. Maybe the only 755 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: way to confront the violence of the world that we 756 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: live in is to present people with fantasy violence. Which 757 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: Blumhouse movie do you think you're gonna go watch? Now? Well, 758 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: I am curious about the Hunt, I have to say, 759 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: and uh, that may be on the list. I haven't 760 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: seen any of the Insidious movies. Here's the thing. I mean, honestly, 761 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: there's just too many Glumhouse movies. I mean, I think 762 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm happy for them, like I'm glad it's 763 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: going well, but there's so many movies like like I 764 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: saw Split that I haven't seen Glass. Yeah, I think 765 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: I've seen a later paranormal Activity, but not the original. 766 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: I have not seen Happy Death Death. I have not 767 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: seen the new Halloween. I have not seen. Well, that 768 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: is our show for this week. We'll be back next 769 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: week on Thursday with more What Future, and as always, 770 00:40:52,960 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: I wish you and your family the very best. Wh