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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George Nori with Rich Martini. His

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Speaker 2: latest book is called Close Encounters of the Flip Side Kind,

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Speaker 2: where he talked with a navy and gray. How did

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Speaker 2: that happen, Rich, Well.

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Speaker 3: It was a fascinating conversation and the way I fell

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Speaker 3: into it really was I was doing a interview with

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Speaker 3: a British podcaster named Simon Bowen, and during the course

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Speaker 3: of the interview he wanted to know about this guided

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Speaker 3: meditation stuff, and so we started one on air and

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Speaker 3: he started talking about an incident that had happened when

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Speaker 3: he was a kid, something he had never revealed to

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Speaker 3: his audience before, but he had been abducted. I wasn't

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Speaker 3: aware of it, so I didn't know. But because I'm

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Speaker 3: so used to doing this thing of asking questions to

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Speaker 3: people that I can't see, but I'm asking the same

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Speaker 3: questions to each person, So I said, can you go

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Speaker 3: to a moment in the event that was not emotional

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Speaker 3: or that that you can just freeze frame so you

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Speaker 3: don't have any emotions associated with it. You know, when

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Speaker 3: people do hypnosis, sometimes they're recalling something and they start

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Speaker 3: to freak out, they react, and my thing is just

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Speaker 3: make a photograph out of it and then turn it

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Speaker 3: into a hologram. And so I asked him, could we

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Speaker 3: talk to this individual or someone whoever's flying this craft?

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Speaker 3: Can we talk to the pilot? And this person came

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Speaker 3: forward and Simon said, he's saying you can ask him questions,

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Speaker 3: and so I said, and he described, you know, the

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Speaker 3: typical gray, the large eyes, the skin, And so I

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Speaker 3: asked the same questions. You know, who are you, where

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Speaker 3: are you from? Are you a tourist? Are you just

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Speaker 3: driving by? Is this something like a tour No. What

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Speaker 3: they always say, and in the years that I've been

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Speaker 3: doing is they always say, no, this person's a colleague

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Speaker 3: or someone that I know, and I'm visiting someone I've

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Speaker 3: known for a long time. And I said, well, what's

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Speaker 3: the ethics involved with that. You're taking these people and

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Speaker 3: you're causing this harm or this trauma to them. And

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Speaker 3: he said, have you ever donated to the Red Cross?

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Speaker 3: I said yes, I have. He said, well, these people

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Speaker 3: have agreed to donate genetic material before they were incarnated,

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Speaker 3: before they were born, which goes back to that Hawking comment.

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Speaker 3: We all come from somewhere else. And what this guy

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Speaker 3: was saying was that this person or these people had

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Speaker 3: agreed prior to their incarnation on Earth, in a previous

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Speaker 3: lifetime on another planet somewhere else. And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: what's the reason for that. Why would you come and

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Speaker 3: collect this information? And he said, there are people on

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Speaker 3: other parts of the universe or another dimensions or another

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Speaker 3: universes that can no longer procreate, and we're taking this

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Speaker 3: genetic material to them so they can have children. And

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Speaker 3: he said again, it was agreed to before they even

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Speaker 3: came to the planet. And then he said something really unusual.

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Speaker 3: He said, wait a second, I'm not sure I'm allowed

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Speaker 3: to answer these questions. I said, well, really, I did

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Speaker 3: that old thing that they do in police shows. I said, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I already know the answers. I'm just having you confirm them.

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Speaker 3: And then I asked him, for example, what are your eyes?

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Speaker 3: What's the point of the big eyes? And he explained,

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Speaker 3: they're like antennae that they project like frequencies and collect frequencies.

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Speaker 3: And then I said, so, why is it that you

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Speaker 3: appear to be cold or aloof or you know, people

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Speaker 3: always report that He said, because we're artificially and we're

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Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, were like robots, and so he said they

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Speaker 3: were created by individuals in other parts of the universe.

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Speaker 3: He said, but I can't go into that because you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't understand that. It would be beyond your comprehension. And

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Speaker 3: he said, but he added, they're not higher entities like

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Speaker 3: just something that you can't comprehend. I said, So, why

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Speaker 3: don't you have more emotion in your day to day?

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Speaker 3: I mean, wouldn't that you make you more effective when

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Speaker 3: you meet people you're friendly to them? He said, imagine

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Speaker 3: emotions and a hammer. It wouldn't be a very effective tool.

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Speaker 3: And I said, so, how what's your life span? And

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Speaker 3: he said four hundred earth years? Wow, and that at

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Speaker 3: the end of that time, they go back to the

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Speaker 3: and all I can say, is the alien beings that

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Speaker 3: I've taught another word for them that I've talked on counsels.

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Speaker 3: They're different because they're not artificial intelligence. They're beings from

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Speaker 3: other realms. But to be on a person's council, you

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Speaker 3: have to earn that so you, I mean the individual

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Speaker 3: You know, people talk about those characters. I interviewed one

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Speaker 3: and I said, so, what are you representing this person's counsel?

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Speaker 3: He said, courage? And I said, well, how did you know?

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Speaker 3: Did this person earn your participation through an event? Yes,

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Speaker 3: in this person's lifetime like another lifetime ago, and so

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Speaker 3: I've been watching over all of his lifetimes and they're

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Speaker 3: so they're bringing this kind of compassionate perspective to the council.

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Speaker 3: So when you're talking to them, you know that there

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Speaker 3: are people are beings that have a compassion towards the

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Speaker 3: individual that I'm interviewing, you see, So it's a different

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Speaker 3: quality of conversation and I can ask about the planet

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Speaker 3: they're from and what their journey is. You know, have

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Speaker 3: they written a book called to serve man. I always

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Speaker 3: that I'll get a laugh.

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Speaker 2: It's a.

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Speaker 3: Cookbook. But this one guy was a reptilian looking fella,

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Speaker 3: and I had the person seeing him. I said, can

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Speaker 3: you touch his skin? And he was like, do I

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Speaker 3: have to? You know? I said please, you know, let's

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Speaker 3: just and then he said, oh, it's like armor. It's

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Speaker 3: like an armor. You know. He wasn't like skin, it

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Speaker 3: was like like a protective shield. And he's looking at

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Speaker 3: his eyes, which are you know, closing from the side.

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Speaker 3: And I said to this fella, have you ever incarnated

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Speaker 3: on the planet Earth? Pretty logical question. Why not if

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Speaker 3: that's what they're saying. And he said, oh, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: stoop so low. Well really, but you know, or to

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Speaker 3: put down, the experience of being on the planet is

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Speaker 2: And how did you come about contacting him?

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Speaker 3: So in this particular case, you mean Simon Bowen initially

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Speaker 3: the gray alien guy. Yeah, he reached out to me.

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Speaker 3: He's a podcaster in the UK and I think it

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Speaker 3: was my couple of books ago, might have been Architecture

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Speaker 3: of the Afterlife. We had a lovely chat. He's a

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Speaker 3: really good he does an afterlife or a Past life podcast,

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Speaker 3: these guided meditations. Anybody can sign up for him at

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Speaker 3: my website Richard Martini dot com. But during the course

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Speaker 3: this person said, Oh, I'm seeing a gray alien, you know,

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Speaker 3: and recounted the same kind of thing of being visited

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Speaker 3: as a child, and recounted the same information like that

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Speaker 3: this person had been visiting them a lot, and they

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Speaker 3: weren't aware of it consciously. Almost that when they're being

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Speaker 3: taken up to the ship, it's like their etheric body

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Speaker 3: people again they call them colleagues, and the information relates

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Speaker 3: to how to communicate telepathically. It's like they download all

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Speaker 3: the information that they've learned as a human to their colleagues,

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Speaker 3: and then they're uploaded with information like other stuff that

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to find out, but they don't interfere. And

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Speaker 3: And I want to say one of them said that

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Speaker 3: to get to a point where we can communicate telepathically

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Speaker 3: by bypassing the filters on the brain. I was speaking

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Speaker 3: this research about that Doctor Grayson pointed out in his

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Speaker 3: there's dimensions that we don't comprehend. Galiano, I don't know

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Speaker 3: animals before we're going to have anybody from some other

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Speaker 2: Pretty dramatic stuff, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's startling because the more that I talk about it,

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Speaker 3: Let's put it this way, the more that we have

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife, where people report that, you know, they they

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Speaker 3: Now you know things that they never thought possible. So

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Speaker 3: it may be that our you and I are participating

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Speaker 3: And so I think that's what we really need to

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Speaker 3: focus on, which is how do we bypass these filters

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Speaker 3: isn't confined to our brain. There's all kinds of things

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Speaker 3: that we can learn and observe, especially from animals. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen those those pets, or you know

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they communicate, sure, So you know, imagine for

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Speaker 4: a moment that we can start communicating with animals to

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Speaker 4: ask them questions as opposed to just listening.

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Speaker 3: You know, people do this thing of they're listening, but

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Speaker 3: just put it this way. They had a weird dream.

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Speaker 3: Then I say, oh, let's go back to the dream.

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Speaker 3: Focus on the thing that you can remember visually, and

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Speaker 3: then freeze it in time so you don't have to

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Speaker 3: lose it. And they're sitting there, and now ask that

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Speaker 3: Try to ask questions about them. You know, how are

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Speaker 3: you and who were you surprised to see when you

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Speaker 3: crossed over? That's a great question because you'd be shocked

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Speaker 3: how many people come up with, you know, funny answers

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Speaker 3: I was surprised to see Hendricks.

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Speaker 2: And they're willing to talk, aren't they?

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Speaker 3: And they're willing to talk. Because if you allow yourself

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Speaker 3: to just go to that one that one listen, I

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Speaker 3: great late actor, Harry Dean Stanton, who was such a skeptic.

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Speaker 3: I spent many nights arguing with him about the afterlife.

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Speaker 3: So when he passed away, we Jennifer Schaffer and I

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Speaker 3: that I talk to you. And so he ultimately said

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Speaker 3: allow for the possibility that not only do aliens exist,

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Speaker 3: but that they want to communicate with us. But they're

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Speaker 3: And when you talk to the people in the government,

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Speaker 3: I didn't steal that eraser. They don't have the answer,

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Speaker 3: to that alien who abducted you when you were a kid,

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Speaker 3: to go back into that moment without fear and say

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Speaker 3: come here? Have I agreed to help you? Is this

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Speaker 3: I agree before I even incarnated to help you with

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Speaker 3: genetic material for people in other parts of the universe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, would I do that? You know? Anyway, those

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Speaker 3: those kinds of questions, no one's asking, and it really

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Speaker 3: that it's possible that we can hear new answers, which

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Speaker 3: includes climate change. You know, we have all these scientists

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Speaker 3: now they're aware of more because once you get to

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Speaker 3: the flip side, you really you bring back your conscious

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