1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals had their chance to take the series 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: from the San Diego Padres, they were not able to 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: do so. After winning the first two games of the series, 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: they lose the final two, including today a nine to 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: two clunker. Michael McGreevey didn't have it from the start 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: and the results soon followed. So the Cardinals are back 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: to fifty four and fifty three, one game over five hundred. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: The trade deadline is like what seven ninety six hours away? 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: The direction to me is obvious, but we will see 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: what John Mozelak does just to what degree the Cardinals 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: sell right now though, just another disappointing series for the Cardinals. 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal territory, Katie and Bernie here on 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: your Sunday recap. Bernie, you have some thoughts about what 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: we saw today from McGreevy. 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Well, I do, but first I want to throw this 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: out there. You know, it was pretty cool the way the. 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: Cardinals one of the first two games of the series, 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: and it didn't really change. 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: My overall view that. 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: You know, this team's got too many problems to win 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: a wild card spot, even though the teams in front 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: of them other than Cincinnati haven't been playing all that. Well, 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: but the Cardinals got some we'll talk about this, like 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: really serious flaws and areas that are really really important 25 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 3: and so but I was I couldn't I couldn't help 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: but think though, you know, especially when Miles michaelis dodgs 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: to like, you know, thirty nine thirty nine hits or something, 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: you know, But no, it's like a weird game Friday night. 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: But I remember thinking, well, I was thinking, it's like, well, 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, this is kind of interesting. Suppose these guys 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: like sweep this series or even win three out of four. 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: Hmmm, maybe they'll make it tough on. 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 3: Mo or they'll give them something more to think about. 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: But I think it's just so typical Cardinals. You know, 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: they're so erratic and so inconcended. So they win the 36 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: first two games in the series. Good for them, seriously, 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: and I'm sorry. You know, you gotta win. You got 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: to win one of those final two games. You gotta 39 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 3: win the series if you want to jet the President 40 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: of Baseball Operations to step up for you. If you're 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: if if this is like in other words, if the 42 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: Cardinals are making the people in the clubhouse are making 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: their closing arguments, Hey, don't give up on us. 44 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: This is why don't give up on us. Here's why. 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: Well, it was a pretty bad closing argument, you know, 46 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: by losing those two games. So anyway, I didn't mean 47 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: to get off course, but it is related. Now. I 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: was disappointed Michael McGreevy and listen, I think he's going 49 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: to be a good back end starter for the Cardinals. 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: I like everything about him, But. 51 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: There was a little bit of reality there today because again, 52 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: it's not a guy that is going to roll up strikeouts. 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: So the ball is going to be in play a lot, 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: and so if he's missing his spots or he's behind 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: in the count and he sort of has to come in, 56 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: he can't really pitch around guys, although he did have 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: an opportunity to do that a little bit with Matchato today. 58 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: But the point is that's what happens when you have 59 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: a staff other than Sonny Gray, where you just don't 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 3: have a ton of swing and mister strikeouts, you're vulnerable, 61 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: and like we saw him vulnerable today. But I also 62 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: got to tip the cap to the Padres hitters because 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: their stars were excellent. 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: In the final two games. 65 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: Talking with we're talking about Tatisa Array we're talking about Machado. 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: You know, if you look at what they did the 67 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: last two games in the series, they were fifteen for 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: fifty one. But if you look at what they did 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: the last two games in the two wins, those three 70 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: guys thirteen for twenty four or five RBIs five run scored. 71 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: So as much as I you know, don't, I just 72 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: don't want to be too tough on McCreevy. He's just 73 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: getting started. But I also think this game, the last 74 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: two nights showed us something you and I Ktie have 75 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: talked about a lot, and this final thing I'll say 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: here then I'll shut up. The Padres have stars. Even 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: though their offense has struggled, right, no doubt about it. 78 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: It has struggled, But it's about other people in the lineup. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: They have stars. And when the chips are down, as 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: we saw this weekend, and the Cardinals learn, you know, 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: you're not going to hold them down. You know you're 82 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: not going to keep uh Tatise and man Shadow and arrays, 83 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, from doing serious damage when San Diego's got 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: to win two games to least tie that series. So 85 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: we saw the difference that star power can make. And 86 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: I think that was another takeaway from the series. 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we've we beat this too. We've talked 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: about it so often, just the lack of star power 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: from the Cardinals, and it's it's true. You go out 90 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: there and you know you have Nolan Arnatto whose decline 91 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: has been steady. Wilson Contreras is probably the household name 92 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: of this franchise at this point. But it's not like 93 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: it's a star sutted roster. It's the exact opposite. And 94 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: that was the design of this season. You're not going 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: to go out and stack your roster with free agents 96 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: signings that because that's not what the Cardinals elected to 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: do or said they were going to do it at the 98 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: start of the season. I will say, not a good 99 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: day for Michael McGreevy for INDs nine hits, seven in 100 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: runs just to strikeouts. And I think Michael McGreevey is 101 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: going to be a sturdy middle of the rotation option. 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: But he is the prototype, the typical Cardinal prototype of 103 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: pitch to contact. And we have seen, specifically over the 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: second half of June and all of July, the detriments 105 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: of having a fully pitched to contact staff outside of 106 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: sunny Gray. So some days are going to look like 107 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: this for Michael McGreevy. The key for him going forward 108 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: is a limiting it so it's not as continuous as 109 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: it was for Eric Fetti, as it sometimes is for 110 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Miles Michaelis and for Andre Pilante. I liked what McGreevy 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: said after the game. He said, straight up, I wasn't 112 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: good today. Getting first two strikes on Tatis was great, 113 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: and then walking him to start the game was unacceptable. 114 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: That just can't happen. And I thought that was really 115 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: refreshing to just off the bat with you, without us 116 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: really even having to dive into these questions. Him just 117 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: say yeah, I can't do that. I can't do that 118 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: as a pitch to contact guy. I can't be walking 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: guys to start the game. So no, he doesn't have 120 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot of swing and miss, just like most of 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: the rotation. He's not going to blow guys doors away, 122 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: but he understands how he needs to be successful at 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: this level based on the type of picture that he is, 124 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: and that gives me a little bit more confidence going forward. Again, 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: you're going to have days that look like this from 126 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: a greedy I'm willing to throw out the Colorado start 127 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: because it's Colorado and it's just weird, I get it. 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: But how he handles things and his mentality I think 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: is a refreshing approach and I'm interested to see how 130 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: that develops over the next two months of the season, 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: because we're going to see him the next two months 132 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: of the season finally. 133 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: Right, And so it's so tough for me anyway to 134 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: project where any of these guys fit in next season. 135 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: I'm with you, I think he'll go in his spring, Well, 136 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: he'll go into the off season. I would think, barring 137 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: some kind of injury, he'll go into the off season, 138 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: you know, with tentative leaves one of their starting pitchers 139 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: next season. 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: And the only reason I. 141 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: Hesitate at all, and I'm probably being overly thorough where 142 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: I want to think about every possibility. It's like, well, 143 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: who knows what made transfire over the winner. I mean, 144 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: if they can make a trade where they even at 145 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: this trade deadline, you know, some kind of trade that 146 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: involves multiple players with the Cardinals get a young starting 147 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: pitcher with term left you never know, I mean, Quinn 148 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: Matthews should be ready next season, you know, you know, 149 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: the kid they drafted out of Tennessee. You know, he's 150 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,559 Speaker 3: he's going to be on a fast track. 151 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: Roby might figure into this. 152 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting to see how they 153 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: line up next year because we don't know who exactly 154 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 3: will be ready or who or who they may add. 155 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: So I do think mcgreevy's in their plans, and certainly 156 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: nothing that happened. 157 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Today would get me to say, oh, not so sure. 158 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: Now if this happens over and over again, then I 159 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: think we you know, we have to, you know, we'll 160 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: have to take a little bit of a step back. 161 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 3: One of the appeals of McGreevy is that the little 162 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: that he pitched he was very, very, very good, but 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: he also benefited from the comparisons frankly to Ed and 164 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: michaelis right, because when everyone's pretty much everyone's like, this 165 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: is ridiculous, these two guys, how are they still in 166 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: the rotation? Well, I think that that kind of takes 167 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: McGreevy and maybe elevates him in the fans mind, maybe 168 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: the media mind too. It sort of elevates him to 169 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 3: a level of prominence that he hasn't quite earned yet, 170 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: just by. 171 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: Comparison, right, So I totally get that. Yeah, So but I. 172 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: Know I really like him a lot for the reasons 173 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: the qualities that you just talked about. 174 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see, and this is the whole point 175 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: of the season, finally from Aggrievy, at least to see 176 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: what he has, how he responds. As the Cardinals presumably 177 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: shift to sellers and the next two months of the 178 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: season look a lot different in terms of competing, these 179 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: outings won't mean I don't want to say, they won't 180 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: mean as much, but they won't be evaluated as harshly 181 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: because once the Cardinals sell, and we'll get to this, 182 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: it's not going to be a complete buyer sale. But 183 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: once you shift to sellers and your next two months 184 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: of the season are defined, it gets much more, much 185 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: easier just to evaluate players on a performance basis individually. 186 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that. A little game we've been 187 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: playing upstairs is who well the first cardinal? Who will 188 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: be the first cardinal traded at the deadline. We know 189 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: that John Mozeylak has called some rival teams and let 190 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: him know he's listening on believers, Ryan Helsley, Phil Maton, 191 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: Stephen Mattz, Jojo Romero, Bernie. A nice call by you 192 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: is garnering a ton of interest from contending teams because 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: he has an extra year of control. Bernie, who is 194 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: the first Cardinal to be traded? Or let's let's make 195 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: it a little bit more vague, who's the most likely 196 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: to be traded for the Cardinals? 197 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: Fear Well? 198 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: I think a certain baseball reporter at the Athletic had 199 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: something about how it would be the most likely Cardinal 200 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: to be traded would be Phil Mayton. And I don't 201 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: know who that reporter is, uh, I forget. 202 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: Who that was. 203 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. If Mayton gets traded, she 204 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: sounds really smart. If he doesn't, Yeah, that's right. 205 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh that's right. 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 3: I was going to say, Catherine some So Catherine somebody. 207 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Katie Woo. No, I'm just teasing, of course. No, 208 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I think I think a 209 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: deal with him would be easier to make. And the 210 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: and the why, I'm why why I went with him, 211 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: and maybe for the same reason you identified him, and 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: you identified him first as the most likely, but I 213 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: agree with you. 214 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: It's because I think the hell'sley thing. 215 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: If there is as much interest in as him as 216 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: we assume, I think Mo will be able to leverage that, 217 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: and it's one of those things that will probably go 218 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: down to the last day, in. 219 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: The last hours, because you're gonna have all the teams. 220 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: It's hard to get a closer, you know, a straight 221 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: up closer like this, and there are there will be 222 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: There will. 223 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Be two or three on the market. It's not like 224 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: he's the only one. 225 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: But I think the Hellsley deal is a little trickier 226 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: because the Cardinals are going to hold up hold out 227 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: for a big price. So yeah, that's what I and 228 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: I I would who knows, Matt's could be the first 229 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: one to go, but it's all the attention is going 230 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: to be on those guys for sure. But I think 231 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: the other two would go before Helsy. 232 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: I could be wrong. 233 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: I think may Toon is so interesting and I wrote 234 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: about this in The Athletic. He is every contender's ideal 235 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: reliever dream. He has two months of control, He's thirty 236 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: two years old, He's been in the league for almost 237 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: ten years. He's pitched in the postseason every season dating 238 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty one. He has all the experience. 239 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: If you look at Mayton's stackcast page on Baseball Savon, 240 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: it's like a NERD's dream. Everything is read except for 241 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: fastball below, which is like as blue as it could be. 242 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: And despite having virtually no velocity, he's still one of 243 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: the most effective setup men in the game. So he 244 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: has all these traits that contending teams really like when 245 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: you're looking to upgrade your bullpen. Those seventh inn eighth 246 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: inning guys make or break playoff teams. And Phil Maton 247 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: has the pedigree of a veteran picture of an experience 248 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: pitcher post. He's an experience matters. He's been traded at 249 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: the deadline before I think three times in his career, 250 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: so he has all the experience. This won't be a 251 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: new experience for him. The adjustment won't be difficult. He doesn't. Also, 252 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: if you know Phil Maton at all, he's pretty like whatever, 253 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: pretty straight up, so not a super overly emotional guy. 254 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: He's just he's a winning reliever that's going to make 255 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: a contending team better. There's going to be a market 256 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: for him. He doesn't have like really any money owned. 257 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: He's signed a two million dollar deal in March. So 258 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: all of these these things, to your point, Bernie, make 259 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: him easier to move than Hellsley. I still think Helsley's 260 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: going to go, but I think, like you said, it's 261 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: going to be kind of down to the wire the 262 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: last you know, maybe right before the deadline. There is 263 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: there's a ton of interest in Ryan Helsley, but it's 264 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: going to be easier to move Phil Mayton. I hope 265 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: that Phil Mayton goes out there and has a chance 266 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: to be on a competitive team for the next two months. 267 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I really do. And then I hope the Cards bring 268 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: him back because he has been a really good piece 269 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: here for this club. 270 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you a question, and because you 271 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: you wrote a story, uh talking to Hellsley, and it 272 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: got a lot of attention. 273 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: Naturally, I saw. 274 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: The No, these aggregator sites were just like all just 275 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: all over the place, insider. 276 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 2: Says, you know, Ryan, I don't, but you know what 277 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean. 278 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: I just love that everybody. It's like it's the the 279 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: locusts comes swarming, you know. Anyway, No, I found it 280 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: interesting that he you know, you interviewed him and his 281 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: quotes that he thought it was what did he say, 282 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: ninety percent He'll go. I was a little surprised by that. 283 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: But let me ask you, and you know, you're you don't. 284 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: You're not working in uh, you know, you're not in 285 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: the meetings with Moan on them. But do you think 286 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: there's do you think there's more of a chance that 287 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: he'll still be a cardinal? I just want to know 288 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: how you view it. Putting his quotes or his comments aside, Uh, 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: do you think they're gonna have hard I still don't 290 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: trust them to make the right decision. I still think 291 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: I still think they'll get all. You know, their heart 292 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: will go a flutter. Oh it's our guy, you know, 293 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. I hope they don't do that because 294 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: that that is, uh, that is fraught with risk. And 295 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: I understand the qualifying offer thing. But the one thing 296 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: I would say is high is high bloom? You know, 297 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: really want to give Ryan Helsley, who very well, maybe 298 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: in decline, not to the point where he's going to 299 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: go off the cliff. Does he really want to give him, like, say, 300 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: twenty one million next season? That that doesn't seem to 301 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 3: be like something he would want to do. 302 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: I could again, I could be wrong. 303 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, right. 304 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: So, so the worst thing that you do is is 305 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: ride it out with him. It's like what's the point. Yeah, 306 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: it's no disrespect. 307 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: Right, it's no disrespect to Ryan helsley Man. But what 308 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: would be the point. There's no point in it. I mean, 309 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: it would just be the final opportunity to cast him in. 310 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: And he is an asset, and then you can't just 311 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: like blow it again, right, you just can't do that. 312 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: He does. And you know, I thought he was going 313 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: to be the first to go over the off season, 314 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: and so did he. I mean multiple times he said 315 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: this over the off season. He set it going through arbitration, 316 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: He said it coming into spring training that he thought 317 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: he was going to be traded, and so did everyone 318 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: else in the industry. That the Cardinals did not move 319 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: Hellsley in November when he was at his top value 320 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: still baffles most rival ex executives. Just in my conversations 321 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: around the industry, they still are so confused as to 322 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: why that move was not made. And we know what 323 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals rationale was. They wanted to compete, and to 324 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: their credit, they did compete for most of the first half, 325 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: and the rotation exploded and the offense took a nose dive. 326 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: And here we are, But Hellesley has been dealing with 327 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: trade rumors and the expectation that he is going to 328 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: be traded for now almost nine months, so he's used 329 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: to it, and he was like, this is as high 330 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: as it's ever been. I was pretty convinced I was 331 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: going to go in the off season. Now I'm really 332 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: convinced I'm going to go. It's just a matter of time, 333 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: and the demand will be high. Like you said, there 334 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: are not that many closers. There are a couple, but 335 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: a true ninth inning flamethrower with one of the best 336 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: fastballs in baseball is going to command a big return 337 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals know that. That's why I think Hellesley 338 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: is going to wait. John Mosellac is notorious for pulling 339 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: off a deadline deal at the Buzzer. He does this 340 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: every year. It's a very stressful time because just when 341 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: you think they're done, because trades can still come in 342 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: after the deadline. They just have to be agreed to 343 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: before that deadline. So sometimes you know you'll get a 344 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: deadline trade that comes through like five thirty PM, even 345 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: the deadline is five Anyway. 346 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: What do you what do you think? If you don't 347 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: mind me asking you a question, what do you think? 348 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: Who's the most likely. Let's expand this. I like the thing, 349 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: who's the most likely reliever to go first? I'll change 350 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: it this question a little bit. Do you think what 351 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: are the chances a position player gets traded? And like, 352 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: who do you think would be the most likely positioned 353 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: player to be traded? 354 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: And you know, there's all, yeah, what do you think? 355 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I like this question, And I'll preface this. I know 356 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: that we have been put out putting out a lot 357 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: of reports about the Dodgers' interest in Brendan Donovan. That's legit, 358 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: that's real. They want him. Of course, teams want Brendan Donovan. 359 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you. He's a winning player. But teams can 360 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: have interest all they want. It doesn't matter if the 361 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: other team has no interest in training with them. Now, 362 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the Cardinals have zero interest in training 363 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Brennan Donovan. I am saying that return is going to 364 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: have to be colossal. They are rightfully asking for a lot, 365 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: which means the likely of any Donovan deal being traded 366 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: remains remarkably slim. The only reason we're going to still 367 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: keep bringing this up is because we know the Dodgers 368 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: are in play, and you can't count the Dodgers out 369 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: from anything, and they're one of the rare teams that 370 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: have a ton of pieces of the Cardinals could be 371 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: interested in as they move towards the future. I don't 372 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: want to bring this into a debate as if the 373 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals should trade Donovan or should not. I don't want 374 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: them to, but I understand why from a business standpoint 375 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: that would be the case. I don't think they're going to. 376 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals, as we sit here on 377 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, one game over five hundred, still have 378 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: not definitively declared a decision, are going to do a 379 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: big fire sale. I think they're going to offload the 380 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: guys that are rentals that are on expiring deals. Maybe 381 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: you're listening on Jojo Romero because he has some value, 382 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: But the position players that have garnered the most interest 383 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: are Donovan, Herrera, Burlason, and now bar and I don't 384 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: see now as the time to trade them. We could 385 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: have entirely different conversations in the off season about those 386 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: four guys, but I would give the Cardinals trading a 387 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: key position player before July thirty first. Those are really 388 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: slim ods for me. Bernie. 389 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: I would agree with you that they're slim odds. But 390 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: I'll say this. 391 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: I'll say this, Bernie. Sure, the Sandluis Cardinals have traded 392 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Eric Fetty to the Braves in exchange for cash considerations 393 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: or a player to be named later. So Eric Fetty 394 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: finds a home. Atlanta transfers Grant home to the sixty 395 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: day injured list. He's a brave all right, breaking good 396 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: for him, Okay. 397 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: I mean I hope he because he's a fine fellow. 398 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: I hope he good. 399 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Great dude handled what was a very trying eight weeks 400 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: of his career with absolute class and professionalism. And I 401 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: appreciate that. 402 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, much respect to him. No, Okay, I'll say this, 403 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 404 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: I would say, you know, I would if I had 405 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 3: a handicap, I'd say I'd be really really surprised if 406 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: they trade Brendan Donovan. But I will I'll go I'm 407 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: going to have a different take on this. But I've 408 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: been thinking about it a lot this weekend. It's because 409 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: you know, they have like Gray would be, even though 410 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: he's been slumping lately, where there'd be a lot, a 411 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: ton of interes in Gray if they could just trade 412 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: him and then no trade things, wasn't there, sat I 413 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 3: think there's teams looking for right handed bats all over 414 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: the place, so contrarists there'd be a market for him, 415 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 3: especially the way he's playing first base. There's no doubt 416 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: in my mind. So but let's take the no trade 417 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: clause guys out of this. And I'm looking at him like, well, 418 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: for a team that thinks that can win a World 419 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: Series in the next two or three years, and a 420 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 3: team that knows if you get Brennan Donovan, you get 421 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: the rest of this year and then you got two 422 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: more years of control before he becomes a free agent. Right, 423 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: And I look at Brendan Donovan and see the thing, 424 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna feel like such a horrible, horrible person here. 425 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna feel like a really bad guy. I 426 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: think he's a really good player. I love him like 427 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: he's probably my favorite guy to watch. But that has 428 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: nothing to do with whether they should trade him or not. 429 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: My point being I've been around in Saint Louis a 430 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: long time and here I go again. Sounded like the 431 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: old you old know it all, And I don't mean to. 432 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: I think because the lack of star power with the 433 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals the way it's the gender. It's just kind of regressed, 434 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: you know, with the previous regime and all those that 435 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 3: previous era, all the stars they had, it was unbelievable, 436 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: and now it's going to the opposite extreme where they 437 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: don't have like one really big star. They have some 438 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: really good dudes, but not that one and a huge star. 439 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 3: I think there's always been a tendency in this market. 440 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 3: I think it starts with the Cardinals themselves in a 441 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: situation like this, where Brendan Donovan is someone that the 442 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: fans love, he's popular with the media, he's respected by 443 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: the media because the way he plays. I think we 444 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: overrate guys like that. I think we overrate guys like this, 445 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: and I understand why. I just explained why. You know, 446 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: but if someone wants to quote overpay, and I don't 447 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: know how I would define overpay, that's the point. 448 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: We don't know. If someone wants him bad enough in. 449 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: Is we're really really willing to pony up, and the 450 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: Cardinals will make a pretty big ask and they say yes, 451 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: I think you've got to seriously consider it. You know why, 452 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: There's a guy named Weatherholt who's going to be playing 453 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: second base and he's he's you could plug him in 454 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: right now, really, and I know they could move down 455 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: him into left field. 456 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: I get all that. 457 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: I do. I'm just saying, let's be careful not to 458 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 3: overrate him. And that's that's not directed to you or 459 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: anyone else in the media or me. That's more that's 460 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: directed more to the Cardinals than anybody, because they're the 461 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: one who makes a decision. Don't overrate him, don't worry 462 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: about well if we trade him, boy, the fans. 463 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: Are going to be The fans are already mad. Okay, 464 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 2: there were this game. I know so, but do you 465 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: see my point. 466 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 3: It's like I'm just saying, hey, listen, nobody, no one 467 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: should be untouchable other than JJ weatherhold you know, no 468 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 3: one should be untouchable, period. 469 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: I agree. And the Cardinals have had a really rough 470 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: time in evaluating their own internal talent. They're in house 471 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: player development model is completely outdated. Player evaluation model, excuse me, 472 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: and it leads to them holding onto players far past 473 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: their prime. Dylan Carlson, Tyler O'Neill come to mind. Just 474 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: when you have an opportunity to move someone at their peak. 475 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you could even throw Ryan Helsley. Good teams 476 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: move on that, but they have two A faults been 477 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: stubborn on moving their own guys. And I would hate 478 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: to see Brendan Donvan go. I think he's a player 479 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: you build around. I think he's a winning player. I 480 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: don't think he's the star or the face of the franchise, 481 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: but I think he's an instrumental piece of this club 482 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: going forward. But if Heim Bloom thinks the Cardinals are 483 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: two three years away from contending and Brendan Donovan has 484 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: two years of arbitration remaining before he's a free agent, 485 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: those timelines don't match up with me. And if you 486 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: can get a haul for Brendan Donovan right now, I 487 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: understand from a business perspective why you would do that. 488 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: You got to give it a hard really got to 489 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: move no, you really really got to think about it. 490 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: May if they got every if they said well here's 491 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: what it's going to take and the other team said okay, 492 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: but then you got to go okay, deal. 493 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: You just got to do it. 494 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: If everything you ask they say yes, what's the point 495 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: of asking them if you're not. 496 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: Going to agree to it. If they give you everything. 497 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: You ask for, and I will say this, and I 498 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: don't think this is influencing me. I really don't, but 499 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: I was just like looking, and if you throw in 500 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: today's game, like his last thirty three games, he's hitting 501 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: around two seventeen to eighteen. His own base percentage, he's 502 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: under three hundred. So the only reason I bring that 503 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: up it's because something you just said. 504 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: The Cardinals. 505 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: Maybe when a player has been at his best and 506 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: then maybe there's some signs that his best is not 507 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: going to hold up over time, and you see signs 508 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: where maybe, okay, he kind of hit his he kind 509 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 3: of hit his peak this season, and he really hasn't 510 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: been all that good the last month month, five weeks. 511 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: Maybe this is that if someone blows us away. 512 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe this time we should get ahead of 513 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: the curve a little bit rather than waiting too long. 514 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 3: So I have all these ideas in my head. Some 515 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: of them probably don't make sense. Some of them do 516 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: make sense, But I'm just saying, don't you can't say 517 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: no to anything. If you're the Cardinals, You've got to 518 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: collect as much talent as you can. 519 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: You can't and we'll see if that actually is how 520 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: things go down. Come July thirty. First, we got to 521 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: get to our Draft Kings segment. We've got a couple 522 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: players to watch in this upcoming series against the Miami Marlins. 523 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: Let's get to it all right. Our Draft Kings player 524 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: to player spotlight powered by DraftKings did not do that 525 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: intro right. A lot of multitasking involved on this one. 526 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: I want to show you about Bernie again. I think 527 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: you were spot on on why on teams being intrigued 528 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: by Jojo Romero. Let's look at Jojo Romero's stats real quick, 529 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: and we know how to start this season started for him. 530 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: Many of us clamoring for him to be to go 531 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: back to Memphis. But overall, forty games to twelve bra 532 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: thirty four strikeouts and thirty four innings. Uh, just pretty 533 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: strong from the left side. And I think Jojo Romero, 534 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: who has one more year left before he's a free agent, 535 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: so one year remaining of team control will be I 536 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: like how the Cardinals just now announced that trade for 537 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Eric Fetti. The Braves announced it like fifteen minutes ago. 538 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: All right, thank you. So he's he's a weapon for 539 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: me for a contending club, and he's interesting because he's 540 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: one of those relievers the rare relievers the Cardinals are 541 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: listening on. That's not a rental. And I wonder if 542 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: a team like the Padres or a team like the 543 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: Dodgers who is looking for relief help, would be interested 544 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: in a Jojo Romero. What do you think? 545 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Listen? 546 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: I I'm not saying this to pat myself on the back, 547 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 3: but I've been. 548 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: But I've been on this for about two or three 549 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: weeks because the reason why is because Jojo Romero got 550 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: off to such a terrible start. 551 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: There's an assumption that, Okay, well, you know, he's all right, 552 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 3: he's not bad, he's pretty good, that kind of thing. 553 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: But there was some just some problems he had last year, 554 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 3: and then the problems he had most of April this year. 555 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, you're you kind of like I think. 556 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna speak for myself. I didn't realize 557 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 3: just how great he's been. So let's go back to 558 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: starting April to twenty seventh. Right, He's made twenty nine 559 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: relief appearances. 560 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: He's got a. 561 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: Zero point three six ERA, and he's in terms of 562 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: inherited runners, he's inherited fifteen. 563 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: None of them have scored. Now, I mean a zero point. 564 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: Thirty sixty ra since April to twenty seventh and fifteenth 565 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 3: for fifteen and preventing runners from scoring. He's also you know, 566 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 3: he's death on left handed hitters. 567 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: He's good. He can get you a couple of right 568 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: handed hitters out. 569 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 3: I mean, and you got to you got a season 570 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: of contract control left. I mean to me, he may 571 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 3: be as valuable as a guy like Helsley because he's 572 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 3: not going. 573 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: To be a free agent after the season. So and 574 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: I think a year. 575 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: Of control is a big, big deal with some teams 576 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: because it's such a bonus. So I gotta believe there's 577 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: gonna be in Well, you even said, there's a lot 578 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: of interests been building on him and. 579 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: They they got to move him too. They just have 580 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: to do it if because they may they may. 581 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 3: If you if you had told me or you or 582 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: anybody like when he was in the throes of just 583 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 3: getting battered in April, well they're going to trade him 584 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: at the end of July and they're going to get 585 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: this awesome package. People would say, dude, do that are 586 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: you okay? Do you need to go get a check 587 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: up or so what are you talking about? But he's 588 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: been that dominant, So I think he's one of the 589 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: more intriguing pieces, not just from the Cardinals, I think 590 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: anywhere in baseball, for all these teams looking for believers. 591 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: I agree. I would be surprised if Romeo was not moved. 592 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: And the Cardinals do have some leverage. Like we said, 593 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: the Javasay look is in excuse me, it is in 594 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: no rush to to sell because he doesn't have to. 595 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: He has the leverage here. Contending teams want relievers. Moe 596 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: has the power here. Now it's on him to actually 597 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: swing the right deals so that will benefit the future 598 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: of the club. So if you want to be skeptical 599 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: about that, I won't fight you on it. But Jojo 600 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: Romero is a guy that could bring you a little 601 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: bit of a better return package because of that added 602 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: year of control. Bertie, I know our games are over 603 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: today for Sunday's game, but do you have anything to 604 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: look forward to for your lines for pick six tomorrow? 605 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: Oh? 606 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: Here's the deal. 607 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: They it's tough to do it the way I'd like 608 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: to do it on a Sunday because they don't DraftKings. 609 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: And this is true of everyone, but DraftKings. 610 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: They're not going to post the lines for Monday's game 611 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: until tomorrow morning sometime, and then throughout the day they'll 612 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: update it. So I want to make this perfectly clear. 613 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to You're gonna have to go to 614 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: DraftKings dot com or just enter DraftKings pick six Google 615 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: that you'll find it, and you'll have to look at 616 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: the menu tomorrow and if you see one that says 617 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: five point five five and a half plus strikeouts like 618 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: in other words, the wager on the fantasy wager is basically, 619 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: you think Daniel Cabrera is pitching for the Marlins tomorrow, 620 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: that he'll get more than five and a half strikeouts, 621 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: which means he's got to strike out at last at 622 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: least six. 623 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: Right, then you would go higher. 624 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: You would go you know, higher, you would go over whatever, 625 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: whatever terminology you want to use, but so you would 626 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: you would go with him to exceed that. If you think, well, 627 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: the Cardinals haven't been striking out a lot or whatever, 628 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 3: or he's due for a bad start. You know, I 629 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: think he'll strike out five instead of six. So you'll 630 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: have to look at that, but make sure you check 631 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: that line tomorrow. I'm assuming it's going to be around 632 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: five and a half, and I'm just looking Cabrera like 633 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: his last you know, seven or eight starts. You know, 634 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: he's been striking out people left and right, and he's 635 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: hit six strikeouts in just about every one of them. 636 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: I think he might have had one there where. 637 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: It was five. 638 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: So my point is, you know, he's got a chance 639 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: to do that, and I would be taking a hard 640 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: look at that if in fact it is going to 641 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: be five point five strikeouts going above that? 642 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: All right, So go ahead and check that out at 643 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: DraftKings again. Tomorrow's probables for the Cardinals Marlin series Cabrera 644 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: Versus Polante. 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Okay, it was just a modest little play. 660 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: But you know, I bet. 661 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: I picked three three people and they all came through, right, 662 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: and so on A ten dollars better made like ninety dollars. 663 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: So that's an example. Listen, And I'm an honest guy. 664 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. Oh Katie, it's no problem. You know, 665 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: I've got a thousand in this now. But if you 666 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: do some numbers on it, and it's easy to do 667 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: because that DraftKings app, all you gotta do is click 668 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: on a player if you're interested in what whether he 669 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 3: can get more than one and a half total bases 670 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: or something like that. DraftKings gives you the info of 671 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: like his trends, like his game logs in the last seven, 672 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: eight nine, so you can see the way he's been trending. 673 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 3: So they give you good information anyway, I love DraftKings 674 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: and so I just wanted to throw that in there. 675 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: There you go, There you have it, Bernier. I noticed 676 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: before we wrap this one up that you're wearing a 677 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: Foul Territory hat. 678 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 679 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: So for those of you on YouTube you can tell 680 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: it's a fine hat, very cute, very aesthetic. For those 681 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: of you on the podcast, I guess you'll have to 682 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: buy one and to see it. And I have some 683 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: fun news for Cardinal Territory supporters. Our Cardinal Territory Shop 684 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: is officially open, so we have our own merchandise available. 685 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm super excited that shop opened today this morning. We 686 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: have shirts, bags, coffee mugs, stickers, backpacks, purses, We'll have 687 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: hats very soon. So our Cardinal Territory Shop officially open. 688 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: Go buy some merch The official store name is Cardinal 689 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Territoryshop dot com, so very easy to remember. We'll have 690 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot more information on that in the next week. 691 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: Might even do a giveaway. I love a giveaway, so 692 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: check it out. I'm pretty excited. I'm gonna have like 693 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: seventeen Cardinal Territory shirts. That's all I'm gonna wear on 694 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: this podcast going forward. So we wanted the very first 695 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: to have our brand new, very stylish Cardinal Territory shirts 696 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: merch gear out available now. 697 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: Now you got to go for a Cardinal Territory cap, though, 698 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: don't you. 699 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: That's a good look. 700 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: As soon as that's I'll buy one. 701 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good look, it really is. So I 702 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: think you need to do that too. 703 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Here's the one I really like. We have these Duffel 704 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: bags out like a gym bag almost, and they come 705 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: in different colors. There's white, black, and red, and it's 706 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: already in my cart. So as a coffee mug, I 707 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: love a coffee mug. I have like two hundred but 708 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: what's two hundred and one? And of course some shirts. 709 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: We have male size, women's size, sweatshirts, crew necks, yeah, 710 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot. I knew we were getting a shop. I 711 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: didn't know how extensive it would be, so I was 712 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. 713 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: And log No, I love. 714 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 3: Caps, so I can't wait to get one of the 715 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: Cardinal Territory caps. I'm gonna probably email someone and say, listen, man, 716 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: I need to get. 717 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: Hooked up here. Yeah, we'll see what happens. 718 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: So I think our boss Mark, I think he's actually 719 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: pretty cool that way because he. 720 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: Sent me this a long time ago. 721 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: You have a story shop open right now. Go check 722 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: it out, buy something, treat yourself. You deserve it, all, right, Bernie. 723 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: Four more days until we can put this trade deadline 724 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: behind us. Marlins are coming to Saint Louis, for three games. 725 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: I know it's the Marlins. No this. They are thirteen 726 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: and eight in July. They're road splits, actually not too bad. 727 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: Twenty six and twenty four they're six and two coming 728 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: out of the break. And the Marlins don't do a 729 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: lot of things right, but they do pitch very well. 730 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals will throw out Polonte Sunny Gray on Tuesday, Miles 731 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: Micliss on Monday, and then off day on the trade deadlines. 732 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: So look, I've been under the belief that the Cardinal 733 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: should sell ever since that disastrous road trip to Arizona 734 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: and Colorado. I think I deserved hazard pay for having 735 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: to sit through that. But I don't think that these 736 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: next couple of games should dictate their course. I hope 737 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: they don't, otherwise we're going to have a very spirited 738 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory episode when the deadline is over. I think 739 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: the Cardinals will soft sell. I think it's the right 740 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: call to do, even if that means, you know, some 741 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: maybe painful baseball in the final two months of the season. 742 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: If you're looking for the future, now is the time 743 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: to build for it. Let's just see what the Cardinals 744 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: do over the next couple of days. Bernie, any parting 745 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: words for our viewers, Well, I. 746 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: Just you know, the Marlins are really good. 747 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 3: Just a very quickie here, I promise, because I wrote 748 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: it down just for this reason so I wouldn't be 749 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: fumbling around. You know. They were thirteen games under five 750 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: hundred back on June the thirteenth, I believe, you know, 751 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: and since then they have the second best record in 752 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: the National League. Only the Brewers have been better. You know, 753 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: So this is a really good team. In fact, I 754 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 3: would dare I say they're a better team than. 755 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: The Cardinals right now. 756 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 3: If no, it's it's seriously, you know, if we track 757 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 3: this back to the middle of June, Okay, the Marlins 758 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 3: have a much better record than the Cardinals, and they're 759 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: starting pitching is really good. The Cardinals starting pitching not 760 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 3: so good. And the Marlins actually surprised me a little 761 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 3: because they score They score more runs than I assumed 762 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 3: that they were They're a really good club right now, 763 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 3: you know. They they just completely transformed since the middle 764 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: of June. I'm really intrigued by them. 765 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: They may I think they have more of a wild 766 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: card shot than the Cardinals do. I really do. And 767 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: if they come here in sweep, they'll be right there. 768 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: But they'll still sell Bernie. I mean, this is this 769 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: is the Miami Marlins we're talking about. They're going to 770 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: sell the Cady. But they're competitive clubs, so I you know, 771 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: it's easy to look. The Cardinals lost two or three 772 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: of the Rockies and we're shut out for the first time. 773 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: The Rockies shut out a team for the first time 774 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: in two hundred and twenty games. Okay, so everyone is 775 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: a threat for the Cardinals right now. So that's a 776 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: good way to be optimistic about the upcoming series and 777 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: a trade deadline. Here we are Cardinal Territory. Good vibes only, 778 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: don't forget check out our store. We'll have some episodes 779 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: for you next week, and of course we'll have a 780 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: trade deadline wrap up. If we have anything newsworthy, we'll 781 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: have it up at the Athletic Bernie will have it 782 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: as I'm sure, and then we'll come here and we'll 783 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: break it down for you guys. It'll be a busy week, 784 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: but hopefully we'll have some news for you shortly. For Bernie, 785 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 1: I M. Katie. Thanks as always for watching Cardinal Territory. 786 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: I know July has been a little bit of a 787 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: bummer for this team, but hopefully this has made it 788 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: a little less worse. Thanks as always for the support. 789 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: We will talk to you guys next week.