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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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Speaker 1: as the title suggests, on this episode, who we're talking

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Speaker 1: about two types of LORDI sees. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: fire tornado, this giant pillar of flame stretching from from

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Speaker 1: Earth to heaven, burning up everything in its path, pitching

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Speaker 1: flaming debris out in front of it. And then we

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Speaker 1: also have the sharknado, a a tornado, a more or

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Speaker 1: less traditional tornado, but instead of having a bunch of

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Speaker 1: you know, bits of houses and broken trees and garbage

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Speaker 1: and dirt caught up in it, it has great white

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Speaker 1: sharks throwing them all over the place. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: You're trying to just go about your daily life and

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Speaker 1: then bam, white shark it's you, starts eating your leg.

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Speaker 1: Then a hammerhead shark falls on you and crushes Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty exciting, and we are bringing you

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Speaker 1: both or all of earth, wind, fire, rain and sharks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah spoiler. One of these is a little more sciences

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Speaker 1: than the other. But by the end of it, we

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Speaker 1: will we will put the question to you, because right

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Speaker 1: now you don't have enough information to really say what

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Speaker 1: would win in a fight sharpnado or or or fire tornado.

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Speaker 1: But by the end of this podcast, you will know

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Speaker 1: and you'll have an informed opinion you can share with

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Speaker 1: your friends. All right, let's get to it. We'll start

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Speaker 1: off with the idea of the fire tornado. Now, just

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Speaker 1: the idea again of a pillar or column of fire, uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean for starters is we'll discuss it is a

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Speaker 1: natural phenomenon. So in all likelihood, people have been seeing

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Speaker 1: this sort of thing occur or and then hearing about

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Speaker 1: it since time out of mind. But it's also factored

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Speaker 1: into this symbol of its factored into into our our

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Speaker 1: religious views and our spiritual views of the world. For instance,

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Speaker 1: if you go digging around in the Old Testament, you

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Speaker 1: will find accounts of Yahweh taking on the form of

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Speaker 1: a pillar of fire. Exodus one and the Lord went

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Speaker 1: before them by day in a pillar of a cloud

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Speaker 1: to leave them the way, and by night in a

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Speaker 1: pillar of fire to give them light to go by

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Speaker 1: day and night. I mean, this is really impressive, right,

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Speaker 1: This is an impressive talisman to have at your disposal. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this is yeah, this is the you know, the

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Speaker 1: the old school uh God here, this is the pretty

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Speaker 1: terrifying one that it does things like appear as a

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Speaker 1: pillar of fire. And then there's another really cool account

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Speaker 1: of of a deity as a pillar of fire that

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Speaker 1: you'll find in Hinduism and according to one Hindu narrative,

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Speaker 1: and you'll you'll see this reflected in sculpture and painting

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Speaker 1: as well. UH, Brahma and Vishnu are arguing over who's

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Speaker 1: the most powerful of the gods. Uh. Now, Brahma and Vishnu,

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Speaker 1: they are part of this uh a form of kind

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Speaker 1: of the comal kind of trinity with Shiva. Um. They

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Speaker 1: stand for world creation in the form of Brahma, world

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Speaker 1: maintenance in the form of Vishnu, and then a world

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Speaker 1: They're standing around who's the most powerful to gods? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's an argument. But then this huge

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Speaker 1: column of fire appeared right between them, burning straight down

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Speaker 1: So they decided to investigate. Right, they're curious, so Vishnu,

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Speaker 1: attempt to find the column's base. Meanwhile, Brahma flies into

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Speaker 1: the sky on his vehicle, the Hamsa bird to seek

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Speaker 1: they both take on their their godly bowers and they

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Speaker 1: Neither can find anything, so they fly back down to

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Speaker 1: is the great destroyer, particularly of the ego. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: it would make sense that Shiva would roll it out

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Speaker 1: like that. So there you go. There's a little religious,

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Speaker 1: of the fire tornado, which does exist in real luck. Now,

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Speaker 1: into fire tornadoes that this was something that was a

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Speaker 1: standout at of course, the Burning Man Festival, Yes, just

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Speaker 1: search for two thousand twelve fire tornadoes. Burning Man mesmerizing

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Speaker 1: I think the I think they're mostly smokes actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they are impressive nonetheless. So these are also known

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Speaker 1: swirling columns of fire and they surge forward to consume

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Speaker 1: been reported now, to a lay person, any funnel shaped

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Speaker 1: had it must have three characteristics. Okay, it must form

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Speaker 1: non super cell category. And that includes, for instance, water spouts.

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Speaker 1: Water spouts they look like they might just be like

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Speaker 1: whether scientists recognize a third class of tornado like storms

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Speaker 1: I guess. But then they're also even have a worlds

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Speaker 1: So fire tornadoes have They are not operating exactly alike.

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Speaker 1: not specifically like you can't say, hey, that's that's actually

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Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss fire tornadoes a little more. They were

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Speaker 1: gonna move on to sharknadoes and then we are going

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Speaker 1: There are a few other examples we have about wheel

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Speaker 1: The for instance, the great uh Suchtigo fire one in Prestigo, Wisconsin,

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