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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number Today

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Speaker 1: in the show, we've got our first repeat guest, the

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Speaker 1: much requested d I Y Big buck killer Dan Infalt,

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Speaker 1: and our topic is how to hunt the dreaded October law.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. Now,

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Speaker 1: as you've heard me say probably twenty six times already

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Speaker 1: this year, I'm really excited to be here, but I

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Speaker 1: might be even more so today because we've got our

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Speaker 1: first reap heat guest in Wired to Hunt podcast history.

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Speaker 1: Big big time. This is a big time, It really is.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the question is why are we having

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Speaker 1: this guest done for a second time, And it's because

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Speaker 1: all the listeners out there, you guys, have been asking

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Speaker 1: for it. I've gotten so many emails, messages, um tweets,

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Speaker 1: all asking to hear from this guy again, as his

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Speaker 1: first episode in the show was just loaded with d

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Speaker 1: I Y white tail advice. And as you know from

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Speaker 1: the intro, this guest is Dan Infalt, the founder of

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Speaker 1: the Hunting beast dot com, co host of Hunting marsh

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Speaker 1: Bucks and Hill Country Bucks, and a renowned big buck

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Speaker 1: serial killer. Now, with all that said, though, before we

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Speaker 1: have Dan join us on the call today, we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit just you and me, Dan,

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Speaker 1: about how our hunting season has been going so far.

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Speaker 1: So Dan, what's happening? Well, let's see here. My let's say,

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Speaker 1: my very first weekend was pretty much a bomb. You know.

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Speaker 1: I he told you about all the bad stuff that

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Speaker 1: happened with the dough, that I couldn't find whatnot. But

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Speaker 1: so I was trying to brush all that off my shoulder.

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Speaker 1: And so this past Friday, I got into my trunk,

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Speaker 1: I was leaving work, still really not knowing where I

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Speaker 1: was going to hunt, and finally I'm just like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go to a spot that I've

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Speaker 1: never I've never hunted before. Can I can I interrupt

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Speaker 1: real quick? Yeah? I want to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: give credit where credits to do You did call someone

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Speaker 1: for some advice just a little bit? Oh? Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: I did. That was well worth the interruption too. I

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Speaker 1: called Mark Kennon up and I asked what question I asked?

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Speaker 1: I asked you, how far do you think my scent

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Speaker 1: will travel and then dissipate? And I think we came

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Speaker 1: to the conclusion of somewhere around a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: yards it becomes so I don't know, fizzled out that

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Speaker 1: it doesn't spook the deer anymore. And I mean, I think,

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Speaker 1: like I said to you on Friday, I think that's

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Speaker 1: obviously a a it's not a rule, and that's the

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Speaker 1: best guess, and it probably depends on how well you're

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Speaker 1: handling your sun control and everything. But at least my

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Speaker 1: thought process was always in front of what I've heard

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Speaker 1: from other guys that are a lot smarter than me,

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Speaker 1: is that somewhere around that hundred fifty two dred range,

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Speaker 1: give or take. If you're playing your cards right and

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Speaker 1: away with something at that point. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's just my my two cents up. But sorry to interrupt. Continue. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that was that was worth it. That was worth it.

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Speaker 1: I had to call the Master, Mark Kenyon, and uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we talked a little bit about um,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be hunting. If you take a circle

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Speaker 1: And then what the cool thing is, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: keep on interrupting you, but I'm curious when you hunt

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Speaker 1: maybe right as the sun's getting up, you know, enough

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Speaker 1: And uh, they were heading towards a farmhouse. So my

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Speaker 1: surrounded by some very serious managers, so we're talking top

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Speaker 1: what not. People think you have an ego and that's

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Speaker 1: and you know me, I don't think I have one. Um,

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Speaker 1: then kill something which I've seen firsthand, not only on

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Speaker 1: see a hundred and tennants buck and that gets them

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Speaker 1: can have their own different thing and what works for them, right,

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Speaker 1: and and and my my stepdad and the rest of

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Speaker 1: Kansas five years ago. Four years in a row, he

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Speaker 1: shot a booner every year, a deer over one seventy

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Speaker 1: my family, if it's if it's brown, it's down, and

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Speaker 1: so it's just it's just a matter of what makes

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Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, But back to

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Speaker 1: the story. Buck comes in, the big the big nine

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Speaker 1: all those things just cause shifts in deer patterns. And

429
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: I think this lull that people experience is many times

430
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: due to the fact that they're not adjusting to the

431
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: changing patterns. That's my hypothesis on the whole deal, um,

432
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: And I think I'm not too different that. I don't

433
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: think that's too far away from what you believe, is it. Well, yeah,

434
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: I definitely feel that dear movement can be affected by

435
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: obviously changing food sources, whether and pressure. But when I

436
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: think of a lull, I think of a deer naturally

437
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: reacting to certain things. And if you're in the wrong spot,

438
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: you're in the wrong spot. Don't call that a lull.

439
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: If you're on a corn field and all the and

440
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: they combine it and all the food's gone, and the

441
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: deer go to the next corn field or stay in

442
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: the timber and eat acorns. That's not a lull. That's

443
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: you not being in the right place. And if all

444
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden hot temperatures come up and the deer

445
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: bed down until right at dark then come out, that's

446
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: not a lull either. Like when I when I feel

447
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: like I think that role is Honestly, I think it

448
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: was made up to sell products that too two hunters,

449
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: to get them to buy sense and rattling bags and

450
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: and grunt calls and and all this junk that you spray,

451
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: slime and all that stuff of to get them to

452
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: come out earlier. When man, it's it's it's nature. You

453
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go outside when it's a hundred and

454
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: ten degrees outside, I sweat so bad. No, I'm not,

455
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, like, I just don't. It's it's just nature

456
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: taking its course. It's not it's I don't know. I

457
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I just get fired up. I don't. I'm

458
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: so against the lull because I think that that was

459
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: created by someone who hunts the same tree stand every

460
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: day of the season. And I think I agree, I

461
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. I don't think it's like

462
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: if if all things were equal and no one changed

463
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: their tactics. It just deer naturally are going to be

464
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: different or acting different this time. You're no, dear. I mean,

465
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: numerous studies have proven that deer activity, especially buck activity,

466
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: steadily increases throughout the month. Um. But I do think

467
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: that people are making mistakes that result in them feeling

468
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: like there's a law. I think that's I think that's

469
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: a reality. I agree that, and so I think that

470
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: as I'm talking about the October lull, that's what I'm

471
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: reference sing, And I think in general, this middle October,

472
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk to Dan in Fault about how

473
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: to hunt the middle of October leading into the end

474
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: of October, what many people people refer to as the

475
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: October Law. We're gonna get his opinion on what he

476
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: thinks about that, how we should be hunting, what different

477
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: ideas and tactics we should we should be taking to

478
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 1: the woods, and and a whole lot more. So, if

479
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: you're ready, Dan, I'm gonna start referring to as Dallas

480
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: so that we don't get everyone all mixed up. And

481
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: I think it's now time to welcome Mr Dan in

482
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: Fault to the show. Let's get him on the phone

483
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: and he could straighten this out all right, Well, welcome

484
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: to the show. Dan, Thank you to be here. Yeah,

485
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: we are. You know, as we mentioned in the kind

486
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: of beginning of this podcast, we're just really excited to

487
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: have you back on the show. Um. I don't know

488
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: if I've actually told you this, Dan, but we have

489
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: gotten more emails, messages, um, and just feedback on the

490
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: first episode you join us on than anything else. Um.

491
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: People really enjoyed hearing from you on the different tactics

492
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: that you're taking into the White Tail Woods. So we're

493
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: just thrilled to have you joining us again and to

494
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: pick your brain, especially during the hunting season to figure out,

495
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, what we need to be doing in the woods.

496
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: So so thanks for being here. Yeah, and you know

497
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: that being the case, as we tell us discussed a

498
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: little bit ago, the main topic of our conversation here

499
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: today is going to be hunting this mid October time frame.

500
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: You know that many people referred to as the October lull.

501
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: But before we dive into that, I know that you're

502
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: actually doing a lot better when it comes to hunting

503
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: this season than me or Dallas, because I believe you

504
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: have two bucks on the ground already. UM, could you

505
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: share with us a quick a quick story about how

506
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: those two hunts went down. Yeah, you know, I I

507
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at my success and

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: think that it's uh, you know, solid action, and it's not.

509
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I do a lot of hopping around,

510
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: a lot of sitting and seeing nothing. But I'm hopping

511
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: from bedin area to bedin area at this time of year,

512
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, early season through October, mid October and early season. Um.

513
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: The first hunt, I went into public land, which was

514
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: like three days into the season. I went to one

515
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite spots where's usually something good hold up,

516
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: and I wasn't disappointed. I had several bucks come passed.

517
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: They all came out of the same bed and area

518
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: as a bachelor group, and all of them were in velvet.

519
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: But the velvet ones were all a little too small,

520
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I shot one that was out of velvet. Um,

521
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: and then you know, got slow again and I just

522
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: took one again the other day, and that one I

523
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: went on a blind hunt in a place I've never

524
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: been before. I went back there via maps, in real

525
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: remote about two miles from the truck, and U took

526
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: a buck in the first sitting in that tree that's awesome.

527
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that the season starts so well

528
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: for it. And now on that on that second hunt,

529
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you said you went in blind, based purely off the maps.

530
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about what it

531
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: was you were looking for in those maps that led

532
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: you to pinpoint this is the spot I got a hunt. Well, Um,

533
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: this was a swampy area that was a lot of marsh,

534
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: and in that kind of situation, Um, I look at arials.

535
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: If it's you know, more hilly land, I look at topos,

536
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: so in this case, it's looking at an aerial. And

537
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I was pinpointing on points of brush coming off of

538
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: islands of timber in the swamp and looking for you know,

539
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: small islands of brush that were mixed into the cattails

540
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: and stuff which would create betting. And it looked really

541
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: good on one side of this uh island. And I

542
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: had never gotten back that far, and it was a

543
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Saturday and I had the next day off, so I thought,

544
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: what the heck? So he was headed in there, set

545
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: up and it was the right call. Huh. Yeah, this

546
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: was a property that it was a little strange. It

547
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 1: wasn't public, it wasn't private. It conservation property where you

548
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: I would do work for a chance to hunt, and

549
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: every time I would do four hours of work, they

550
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: put my name in a hat. And that's the property

551
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to draw out of. You know, they

552
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: got an area that's mapped out in different units, and uh,

553
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: that was the area I was trying to draw, and

554
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: I got it for October, and uh, I lost my

555
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: train of thoughts. Sorry, Ah, what was the question? You

556
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: had just talked about the fact you had drawn that unit,

557
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: and um, you know I was I was curious about,

558
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, how you ended up setting up there specifically.

559
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's a couple of islands of cover

560
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: and you was it just the wind was right to

561
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: be on that side of the cover or how did

562
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: you pick that actual setup? Yeah, actually we're waiting for

563
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: the wind to be correct. We needed some sort of

564
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: south wind and east would be best. Southeast. Um, and

565
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: we actually got that wind on a Saturday, so um

566
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: we're good to go. Um that that put the wind

567
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: blowing in from the swamp across the trial land. Okay,

568
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: we actually we did that property kind of an interesting way,

569
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: and this is probably something interesting to your viewers. Um

570
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: A friend of mine, who also you know, hunts the

571
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: same area, drew the same time frame as me, and

572
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: so we got together before the hunt and drew up

573
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: a plan. And in what I did was I marked

574
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: all the suspected bedding areas on this map. And uh,

575
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: we weren't allowed to pre scout this property. You're not

576
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: allowed in there unless you're hunting. Um, So I marked

577
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: everything vita map and we went in in stag hunt

578
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: our way across and the way the property is situated. Um,

579
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: the neighbors neighboring pressure. Neighboring properties get a lot of pressure.

580
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: So the area we're in is the best area. So

581
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: as we stage your way in, we're actually bumping each

582
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: bedding area and pushing the bucks further and further back

583
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: if they're in there. So the further you get in,

584
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: the better the hunting you get. If that makes sense.

585
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: So are you purposely pushing through those betting airrors to

586
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: do that or are you just saying that by default

587
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: giving them by default? Yeah? Okay, And then if we

588
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: can't tell on the betting area, we do bump it

589
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: on purpose. And I think I've heard you this is

590
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: called stacking betting airs. Is that right, correct. Yeah, So

591
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: once you stack a betting area, let's say you've pushed

592
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: through a couple because you need to get to this

593
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: back this farther back piece, and you think you've got

594
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: more of those bucks in that back betting area. Are

595
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: they still going to come out the direction that they

596
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: came from or that you came from, or are you

597
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: trying to move you Let's say you bump them. You're

598
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: coming in from the south heading north. They know that

599
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: the pressure came from the south. Are you then trying

600
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to get back around them since you think they'll leave

601
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: their betting air to go away from that, or are

602
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: they still coming back down the direction you came Whenever

603
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: they leave that betting area, they're going from the betting

604
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: area to food um or order, you know, if it

605
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: was later in the year, to dose um. They're not

606
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: really you know, the pressure at the first bedding they

607
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be some words where they're um betting

608
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: was compromised by a human scent, so they just moved

609
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: a different bed in area. Basically, they just keep moving

610
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: and you know, and what I'm trying to do is

611
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: get close enough to get him in daylight. At this

612
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: betting there is Yeah, okay, this is definitely topic I

613
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: want to dive into deeper as would go. But what

614
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna say to else I was gonna say, so

615
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: when you told you told us there, it's a two

616
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: mile walk back there. So I take it those are

617
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: all days sits for you? Or are they? Um? No,

618
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: So it's just morning hunts. No, just even here. I

619
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: don't hunt mornings. I got you um on this particular hunt.

620
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, Um, you can't take apvs. Bacter or or

621
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: any type of vehicle. And there is some dry land

622
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: you get to walk across before you hit the swamp.

623
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: But it's miles from Warring Park to where to where

624
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: where we hunted. Wow, that's a hike. Yeah, definitely. What's

625
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: interesting is we didn't run into bucks in the first

626
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: hunts until we got to you know, one spot I

627
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: really liked, but we couldn't get back here until um

628
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: we hunted the spot before it and we had to

629
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: correct wind. And when we got that correct wind, Um,

630
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: he was Mario's turned to the guy I was hunting

631
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: with to to hunt the better spot. So he went

632
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: into that spot and he had three bucks go by.

633
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: And that was Friday, and then Saturday, we went around

634
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: the backside, you know, to the very far back, and

635
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: I only had the unit for October and then somebody

636
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: else gets it, so uh. Well, as we were going back,

637
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: we had to cross a river, which is nice because

638
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody gets across that river except for us,

639
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: because it's way over boots Um. But since we got

640
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: across the river, we jumped two bucks and they both

641
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: looked to be shoot and they ran in the direction

642
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: that we were going, not hard, just trotted off that way.

643
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: And when we got around the corner and Mario got

644
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: set up and I kept going. I went on the

645
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: backside of the island where I was expecting to find

646
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: a sign from Jeer coming out of the betting night

647
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: phone on the map, and I wasn't very impressed with

648
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: the rods. I mean, there was no fresh rods. There's

649
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: old ones, but nothing fresh. But there was trails and

650
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: tracks and out of the swamp um. And I took

651
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: the property line all the way to as far as

652
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: I could go, and all of a sudden I saw

653
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: one real big fresh rub and I stopped and I

654
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: started looking at it, and all of a sudden, at

655
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye saw a movement and there's

656
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: a really nice buck walking straight to me. Wow, it's

657
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: like I got behind the tree and knocked in narrow

658
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: and it was about fifty yards out and coming straight

659
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: at me. And all of a sudden, I hear his

660
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: commotion to my sign. I looked at my side and

661
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: there's another buck and he runs into swamp and the

662
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: first one follows him, and I realized, you know, being there,

663
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: it's only three in the afternoon, it's probably the two bucks.

664
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: I just kicked the stray m So they run back

665
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: into the swamp and I go and I turned around,

666
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: and I go back down to the point of the

667
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: island where I intended to sit in the first place,

668
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: but didn't feel a lot of sign And there was

669
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: seven trails coming out of the swamp and I and

670
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: one thing that I do on an islands like that

671
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: is I look in the swamp and I try to

672
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: determine from a distance what tree is gonna be the

673
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: best tree, where would I be best off, and what

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: would be the best direction for me to get in here.

675
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys can go in there

676
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: and walk around. And then what happens is that deer

677
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: comes out and smells where you were and boogers before

678
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: you can get a shot. So I always picked that

679
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: stuff from a distance, and I picked the tree slipped

680
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: in there, and I was real happy when I got

681
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: in there because the sign changed from what was on

682
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: the island. All that you could you could see trails

683
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: coming from all those little plots that I thought would

684
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: be betting all meeting in front of this tree. And

685
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: there's a big scrape there. So I get up the

686
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: tree and uh um. A little while later, I heard

687
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: two bucks get up next to me and start sparring.

688
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: You can't see him because it's so thick in that swamp,

689
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of right where I had expected them to be,

690
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: But instead of coming towards me, they went the other way,

691
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: and out of desperation, I tried grunt into them, and

692
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: I actually got one of them to turn around and

693
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: come back. And I'm pretty positive that that's the first

694
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: two bucks that we bumped. I think I bumped them

695
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: back here, almost got them on foot, and then they

696
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: relocated to that spot and got up and I was

697
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: able to get one to come in anyway. Since you

698
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: didn't shoot it, wow, and so that the one you

699
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: shot was the one you grounded in. Yeah. Wow, it

700
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: sounds like a heck of a hunt. Between the close

701
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: call on the ground and then grunning one end deep

702
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: there in the swamp. That's uh, quite an experience, imagine. Yeah,

703
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: well that's awesome. Well, a lot of stuff you just

704
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: talked about there. I think we want to dive into, um.

705
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: But I want to take a step back here real

706
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: quick to get started, because you know this time frame,

707
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: this middle portion of October, lots of people refer to

708
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: that as the October lull. So me and Dallas, we're

709
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: just talking about this. Are different opinions on this, but

710
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, Dan, is the October

711
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: law Is that fact or fiction? You know? Um? I

712
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: would say it's it's it's somewhat fact um somewhere in

713
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the are I mean, you do get

714
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: less moving daylight um during this timeframe. I think it's

715
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: starting to pick up now, but during that early October frame,

716
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I think that you do get less movement. But I

717
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: don't see a lull because I'm pushing those deaden areas.

718
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm still getting them, you know, in daylight, seeing them,

719
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely seeing them closer to the edge of darkness,

720
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of the books I am seeing that

721
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: are good bucks, Um, during that time frame, are only

722
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: gettings from those beds. So I think where most people

723
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: are seeing a low as they're sitting over food plots

724
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: or food so horses, you know, or acorn patches or

725
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and they're seeing less moving in daylight. Um,

726
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm still seeing the same amount of movement at that

727
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: time frame. I'm just seeing it later in the day. Okay.

728
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: And what do you think is causing that decline and

729
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: deer activity that most people are saying? You said that

730
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: these deer staying closer to the bedding areas later. Um.

731
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: I've got some different ideas, and there's been a number

732
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: of different hypotheses, you know, thrown around there about what

733
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: caused that later movement or less decreased movement. But what

734
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: do you think it's causing that day? For me, it

735
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: would have to be a guess, um. I think some

736
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the heat and the

737
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: fact that they're changing their coats to winter winter coats,

738
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: because it almost seems like when that cold hits, you know,

739
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: that that period of time and that evening when it

740
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: gets cold and so when they get up and move.

741
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: But that's pure speculation on my part, Okay. And maybe

742
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: I imagine maybe some hunting pressure might cause that too

743
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: from a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

744
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: But you know, I have on some spots that don't

745
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: get much pressure and I still see it and places

746
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: with pressure and I see it. So okay interesting. So

747
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: than that being the case, you know this time from

748
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: you said that you're still seeing that activity because you're

749
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: pushing it close to beds and close to betting areas. Um,

750
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: And I think you know that is I'm sure something

751
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: I want to talk about here. And are there any

752
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: other major tactics other than that they're employing this time

753
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: of year to get close to those deer or do

754
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: is your entire strategy revolve around those betting areas at

755
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: this time? I would never see my entire strategy revolves

756
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: around any one thing. Um. But there's one tip i'd

757
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: I'd love to give your listeners that they probably haven't

758
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: heard before. And this is gonna sound a little weird

759
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: to you, but I guarantee it's true. Um. Right around

760
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: the first week of October to the second week maple

761
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: leaves when they first started turning orange and dropping when

762
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: they just first started dropping. They have a bigger draw

763
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: than acorns. Um, But you have to have isolated maple

764
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: leaves them, things, shod them like you wouldn't believe. I

765
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: think they get a sweetness or something when they first die.

766
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: Let me start dropping. Um, but they're a huge draw.

767
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I first learned that from andreda crystal Um. He told

768
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: me that when we were on a hunt one time,

769
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: and I really paid attention after that, and he was

770
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: dead on. I observed it many times and moving to

771
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: these uh little maple patches. Wow, that's definitely something I

772
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: never thought about. And I got a maple. I got

773
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: a maple tree in my backyard. Maybe I should hunt

774
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: in my backyard. How close is the betting Probably a

775
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: couple of miles. So so that said, then let's let's

776
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: cycle back to the betting area topic, because I think

777
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot we could talk about in this

778
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and we talked a little bit about it back in

779
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: March or April whenever we chatted with you the first time,

780
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: dan Um. But I guess let's start at the highest

781
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: level and then just keep on diving deeper. Can you

782
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: give us a high overview of of what you're doing.

783
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: When it comes to you hunting these betting areas. When

784
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: you're heading in for a hunt, what are you thinking about,

785
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: why are you doing it, and how are you setting up? Well,

786
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: there's two different ways I go in on these betting areas,

787
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: and in the best way is if I've pre scouted

788
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: it and I've gone in and say January February, and

789
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: really taking a good look at this betting area and

790
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: looked at how the deer stage and look from their

791
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: perspective at how to set up. That's the best scenario

792
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: because then when I go back and I go in

793
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: for the first time in hunt, I've got a really

794
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: good shot to kill him. The second scenario is I

795
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: haven't hunted the area, and like this last buck, I'm

796
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: going in and I'm guessing on the betting. I think

797
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: I do a little better than other people on that

798
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: aspect because I've been looking at these beds for so

799
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: many years that i have a good good knack of

800
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: reading them. If you don't, if you know what I mean.

801
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: But those are like two mean scenarios. Is guessing the

802
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: betting or knowing it from previous scouting. Okay, and so

803
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: how about we go let's talk about that first scenario,

804
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: and then I really want to have into that second

805
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: scenario too, because that might apply to people at this

806
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: point who who maybe are just trying to figure this

807
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: out as they go. But for someone who already has

808
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: these betting area scouted out, let's say, like you, you

809
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: already have a whole lot of different betting areas across

810
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: numerous properties that you plan on hunting. You know, how

811
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: do you have those prepared? Do you have stands hung up?

812
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: Or I think from what I remember, lots of times

813
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: you're setting up on the on the go. But can

814
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you talk to us about how you are choosing which

815
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: ones you're gonna hunt on a given day and then

816
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: you know when you're heading in and what do those

817
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: setups look like? Okay, well, you know some of the

818
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: beding areas are based on like acorns, you know, or

819
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: corn or or some food source. And if you know

820
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: that food source and knowing that food sources available, you

821
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: know when the hunted um some you know, I don't

822
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: have any idea why they're petting there except for that

823
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: it's a good beding area, and I gotta kind of,

824
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, go in and check it out and maybe

825
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: give it a hunt and chip number, maybe a hunt

826
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: later in October, maybe a rut hunt, and try and

827
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: figure out when they're there. Um Ah, are you using

828
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: wind direction at all to help make that decision? Is

829
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: that absolutely? Um? But but there's there's one thing about

830
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: wind is it is it's more important on the hill

831
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: country directionalized than it isn't swamps. A lot of times

832
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: its swamps. They've been on these points and and fingers

833
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: and a little patches. Um, not based on the wind

834
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: at all. So you can have the wind in your

835
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: face and and really do well. But in like hill country, Um,

836
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: they've been on that leeward side on the points and such.

837
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: So you gotta play that win a little bit. You

838
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: gotta play that off wind, um if you're gonna get

839
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: him on the um a hill side, which is a

840
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: lot better than hunting downhill because then you get the

841
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: thermals busting you. So yeah, when the wind plays a

842
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: huge direction, I mean a huge wind plays a huge

843
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: factor in um and choosing where you're gonna hunt and why,

844
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: and more more so than just keeping your wing from

845
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: getting to the book. In a lot of cases they've

846
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: bed in a certain position because of the wind. Can

847
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: you tell us a little more about that last part there,

848
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: you know why they've been in a certain area. Um,

849
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different different opinions on this. You know,

850
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: bucks will enter a bedding air with the wind in

851
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: the face, or they'll bed with the wind over their backs,

852
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: or they'll only leave with the wind in their face.

853
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: You know what. What's your take on that on how

854
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: deer use the wind when choosing wear bed and how

855
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: to leave their bed and approach to the bed in

856
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: the first place. That's a good question. I want to

857
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: hear a lot. And as you can imagine, I've observed

858
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of deer going in and out of beds,

859
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 1: and the overall majority of them come into a bed

860
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: by circling around a jay hooking and smelling from down wind.

861
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: It just don't feel comfortable going in there for some

862
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: reason without the wind interface. UM. So it makes it

863
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to hunt those betting nearis in the

864
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: morning because you kind of get it, kind of come

865
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: in from a different direction each time. So the trails

866
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: you see um at the betting areas they used to

867
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: if you're leading the beds, not going into them because

868
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: they come in kind of weird. Um, But when they

869
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: when they leave those beds, I don't see any relation

870
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: to the wind whatsoever. What I do see is if

871
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: the wind is not in their favor, if it's to

872
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: their back, they come out a little more cautiously, a

873
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: little slower, but they still go the direction they want

874
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: to go. M So, then when you're choosing where to

875
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: set up, you're not thinking about where will a buck

876
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: want to go in the evening. You know, you're hunting

877
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: in the evening, so you're not thinking about where is

878
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: he gonna want to go based on the wind. You're

879
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: just thinking about this morning, what was the wind direction

880
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: that would cause him to move into this betting? Or?

881
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Is that right? Uh? Yeah, that's true to degree. I mean,

882
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of swamp betting is regardless

883
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: of the wind. But if it's a wind specific bed, yeah,

884
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm certainly thinking about you know, wheels better there in

885
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: the morning. However, Um, I've seen bucks get up and

886
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: move when the wind changes during the day, so I

887
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: can have a bearing on it too. So you might

888
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: want to be set up on where the wind is

889
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: now or where it's going to be in the evening. Okay,

890
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I got a question for you. You mentioned earlier that

891
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: you're not hunting mornings this time time of year. Can

892
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you can you elaborate on that a little bit while

893
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: you're not spending time in the stand in the mornings. Well, Um,

894
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, I've been hunting these beds like

895
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: this for many, many, many years. Um. You know what

896
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: I've found is when I go into these bettering areas

897
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: in the morning, um, kicking the bucks out of the

898
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: bed in areas before daylight, they're already petted. Um. What

899
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: I see during daylight in the mornings at this time

900
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: of the year, it's usually immature box or dollars. The

901
00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: mature ones are alreadbetted. Okay, all right. Is that the

902
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: same for your marsh and your hill country? Oh yeah, yeah, okay. See. Now, me,

903
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I love hunting mornings and um,

904
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: but like unlike you, I'm not a I'm not a

905
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: huge bed hunter, right. I like hunting transitions between food

906
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: and bedding in the mornings, and that's where I that's

907
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: where I had my success this this weekend. Anyway. Although

908
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: I didn't kill I still had an encounter with a

909
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: pretty good deer and you know, we've talked about this

910
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot, uh Dallas, UM, and I think maybe again.

911
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: I prior already mentioned this on previous episodes, but I

912
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: continue to wonder if this is again because of the

913
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: differences in pressure between you know, what Dan might be

914
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: hunting and why it might be hunting in Michigan or

915
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: Wisconsin versus you know the properties that you're there on Iowa. UM,

916
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got a comment on this. Um.

917
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, a friend of mine under the aquistal has

918
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: shotting a lot of a lot of big bucks. A

919
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he's if he put him in the books,

920
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: he has more booming Crocketts with a bow than anybody

921
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: in the world. And I noticed that he's killing a

922
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of those big bucks. Um. In the mornings, you

923
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: love us on the mornings. And I was interviewing him

924
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: for something I was doing, and Uh, I said, you know,

925
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, how do you keep killing these

926
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: books in the morning? And I told him the problem

927
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: I had that I'm kicking them out of their beds

928
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. And he said to me, he says, Dan,

929
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: I got the same issue, but look at the dates

930
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: when I killed those deer. He says, I'm waiting for

931
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: the moon to be overhead before I go in there,

932
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: he says. And when I when I haven't moved overhead

933
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: in the morning, uh, within the first hour of daylight,

934
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: he says, those bucks get back to those beds at

935
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: great light, and I'm able to shoot him in daylight.

936
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought this up, Dan, So so

937
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: they're coming back to the beds later than they normally

938
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: would with the moon overhead, Yeah or underfoot? Okay, So

939
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: can you it seems to think that the overhead movement

940
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: has a little more influenced than the underfoot one. Um,

941
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: but I'm not so sure. Can you Can you go

942
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: into this a little more for people that maybe might

943
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: not be as familiar with underfoot, overhead or all these

944
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: different moon um time frames. I know you you published

945
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: something on your website these moon dates that tend to

946
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: lead to earlier movement in the evening or later movement

947
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: movement in the morning. Um, could you just explain that

948
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: in detail for us? Because the whole moon thing is

949
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: something that so many people have questions about and so

950
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: many people don't really understand. So can you give us

951
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: your whole kind of one on one on that piece. Okay,

952
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand why they do it, but

953
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: I have seen plenty of evidence, but I know that

954
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: it goes on and there's more movement when the when

955
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: the moon is straight up or straight down, there's more

956
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: movement with buck movement. And when that happens UM in

957
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: the last couple hours of daylight or the first couple

958
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: hours of daylight, you give more buck movement or more

959
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: dear movement. Overall, it's hard to notice UM on the

960
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: public lands and hunt. But the few times I was

961
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: over by like Andre's hunting managed land, UM, you could

962
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: set you're watched what time the food plots would fill

963
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: up based on the moon chart. And it was amazing,

964
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: UH to just sit back and watch that. UM. The

965
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: way where I got my information from this Jeff Murray UM.

966
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: He passed away a few years ago, but his his

967
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: UH family still puts out a chart and I think

968
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: the charts like five or ten bucks. They saw it

969
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 1: on UM his website, which we just search Jeff Murray

970
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: moon guy, you'll find it. UM. I don't believe all

971
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: of his principles about where to hunt and stuff like that.

972
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm pushing that in areas and he's talking about

973
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: when during food sources and stuff based on the moon.

974
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: My thing is the movement based on the moon overhead

975
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: or underfoot. And so this chart, what is this what

976
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: is this chart showing? Is it showing you? Is just

977
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: telling you the time who were the time frames that

978
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: the moon is overhead and under foot, the dates and

979
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: h and it gives you he has like a hot

980
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: thing on her for time frame. But I think you

981
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: can get that information free to You can just search

982
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: it online and and there's different charts different people have

983
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: out there. But but some other people have different ideas

984
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: on moon charts and the moon position and stuff too.

985
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: So you can get kind of confused if you start

986
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: searching it um in other sources and you've you've put

987
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: some of that on the Hunting Beasts, right if I

988
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: if I found that because I link to that, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

989
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: it's it's stickied up on the top of the Deer

990
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Hunting forum. UM. I put down the dates and times

991
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: that I feel are the best for for daylight movement.

992
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I also put down based on the moon when the

993
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: um rut cruise times should be interesting. And so again

994
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: based on these charts, and the rising and setting of

995
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: the moon. This is if you see one of these

996
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: charts or one of these time periods falling within that

997
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: same time period of first light or last light, those

998
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: are times when you might get that earlier or later movement.

999
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: And so that might be a time, even in the

1000
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: middle of October to push into one of these pushing

1001
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: closer to a betting or or one of these hotter spots,

1002
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: because you might just get a couple of extra mans

1003
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: of movement right correct, And and really, I mean if

1004
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: you can get ten extra minutes of movement, they can

1005
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: get a long ways in ten minutes. Yeah, for sure, definitely.

1006
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: So now how about our our second scenario that you

1007
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: mentioned a while back, Dan, which was if you haven't

1008
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: pre scouted in an area. Um, let's say there's a

1009
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: guy listening to the show right now and he's thinking

1010
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: to himself, Okay, I'm I'm having horrible success right now.

1011
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: I've been hunting field edges and I'm not seeing any bucks.

1012
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: But I hear Dan is telling me to try to

1013
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: push closer, closer some of these betting ears. For that

1014
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: guy that hasn't done the preseason scouting, all he has is,

1015
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, what he knows about property and some maps,

1016
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: how can he go about finding these betting areas? And

1017
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: then you know, making those moves, how are you doing that?

1018
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: And what should he know? This other guy? Okay, you

1019
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: know that's real terrain specific, but um say it's a marsh.

1020
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: You can't tell marsh. That's to me, that's the easiest

1021
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: thing to read, um because you can see it visually,

1022
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: so easy. If you look at a cattail margin and

1023
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: you look at the timber edge where it meets the cattails,

1024
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: you know you've got the straight edge of trees meeting

1025
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: cat tails, and somewhere along the line, you're gonna see,

1026
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: like a finger, trees go out or a point right

1027
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: at that point the tip of that finger. I guarantee

1028
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a good book that you see

1029
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: these little islands, like a little brushy points that come off.

1030
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: Guarantee at the tip of that it will be a book.

1031
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: Bet And when you look at a swap and you

1032
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: start filling that whole thing with timber, you're gonna see

1033
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: the same stuff. It's just harder to visualize because you

1034
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: can be able to see the different colors in a

1035
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: different types of trees. The hard woods look different than

1036
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: the tamaracks and such, right, and it's gonna be the

1037
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: same thing. You're looking at those island tips, You're looking

1038
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: at those those changes in the contour, that straight line

1039
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: along a hard transition of thick meats, you know, open

1040
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: And when you start on in the public land, you've

1041
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: got to start looking for the remoter transitions. Um. So

1042
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: if you're not sitting there hunting where everybody else is tiking,

1043
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: because people will follow those transitions to like a trail.

1044
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: So you gotta try to find the remote ones that

1045
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: people don't go to. Um. Now, if you got into

1046
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: hilly screen, then you're looking for points and fingers and

1047
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you're using the toppo. So I've

1048
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: got my topo and I've found a finger coming off

1049
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: a ridge or maybe if I'm in the martial area,

1050
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: I found that finger of timber of high ground that

1051
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: pushes into the swamp. Um am, I just am I

1052
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: just going to find that spot in the map. Decide, Okay,

1053
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: I know that there's a cot food source on the

1054
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: other side of this, so there's a decent chance he

1055
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: might be betting on that finger. I'm going to try

1056
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: to get as close as I can and set up

1057
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: on any random day or maybe on one of those

1058
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: moon days, or is there anything else that he needs

1059
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: to be thinking out about before moving in to try

1060
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: to hunt that bed he thinks is there. Well, what

1061
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: I do is if I'm pretty sure there's gonna be

1062
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: a bed there, or I think there's gonna be a

1063
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: bed I just hunted. If I can get within a

1064
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: hundred yards, I'm sure I can get a chance at

1065
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: that buck in daylight. If there's a spot where I

1066
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: can't get that close to that buck, can't get close

1067
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: enough to that bed, I gotta hang back like two yards.

1068
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: So that's the spot I save for that moon day

1069
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: or that cold front that comes in and gets them

1070
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: to move a little earlier. Um, those are the days

1071
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: I save for that. Otherwise, UM, I'm hunting those spots

1072
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: one after another, pushing as close as I can. Because

1073
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: you're you don't hunting this way, You're not gonna see

1074
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: bucks every time. They've got different bed nearness are all

1075
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: over the place. And what I'm doing is I'm trying

1076
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: each bed nery and once you're sent in the or

1077
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: just stay out of there for a while. So it

1078
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: makes the other bed nery is better. You just keep

1079
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, hopping around and hit me anything. You're gonna

1080
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: have a few that don't pay off. And in the

1081
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: more of an amateur you are at it, the more

1082
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have something that don't pay off. And you know,

1083
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: and you just gotta keep it until it works. And

1084
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: the hardest part for a guy who doesn't hunt like

1085
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: this is keeping up this confidence level, because, like I said,

1086
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: even I, you know, Uncle five six hunts about sena

1087
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: dear you know, but I guarantee you in the long run,

1088
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more big books than most guys. How long

1089
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: did it take you to take your philosophy of this

1090
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: style of hunting? I mean how long? How many how

1091
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: many years have you been hunting? When did you start hunting?

1092
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: And how long did it take you to get to

1093
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, this is how I'm hunting. Yeah,

1094
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Um, I've been hunting my whole life. Um.

1095
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: I think it was sometime in the mid eighties. Um,

1096
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: I had a buck that I really wanted to get.

1097
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: It was in a time prime and there wasn't very

1098
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: many big bucks and it was a nice book, and um,

1099
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: he was out smart me, and uh, I really made

1100
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: an effort to figure him out in the wintertime and

1101
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: found all his betters and started hunting that way. And uh,

1102
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the next year I killed him

1103
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: with a shotgun. Um, by walking into each one of

1104
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: his betting is real slow sneaking in until I ran

1105
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: into the right one, jumpsman shot him and from then

1106
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: on that you know, back in the eighties, I've just

1107
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: been perfecting this and I wouldn't say I'm done yet.

1108
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: I'll probably won't be done when I die. Um, it's

1109
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: just a continual progression. You just keep getting better, you

1110
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: keep learning things, and I like to think I learned

1111
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: something every time I go into woods. Yeah, that's awesome.

1112
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: And that's definitely something that we want our listeners to,

1113
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: uh to take into consideration, is that you don't become

1114
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: you don't just become the perfect hunting machine. It's an

1115
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: evolution and it's never ending. Correct YEA, so true. So

1116
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: so something you mentioned got me thinking about another question.

1117
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: You talked about how the fact that you were walking

1118
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: into this box various betting areas, pushing him a little

1119
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: until you found the right one he was in how

1120
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: many different betting areas do you think a buck has

1121
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think that varies greatly. I think different

1122
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: box at different personalities. And that particular book I lived

1123
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: in an area that was about a square mile and

1124
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: probably had about you know, twenty different spots that he petted. Um,

1125
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: but in that same particular area I shot a real

1126
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: big buck a couple of years later. But that's having

1127
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: a real hard time with because you were way outside

1128
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: of that one mile area. He covered all those betting

1129
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: areas and more. And that's another thing your your viewers

1130
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: or your listeners might be interested in. There's a lot

1131
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: of guys think they found a buck bet that they

1132
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: think they're hunting that book. Those buckbets get used by

1133
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: all different kinds of book. That bet is there because

1134
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: of a specific terrain reason and a specific reason that

1135
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: with a scent or or something, they picked the exact spot.

1136
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing random about a book bed. And uh, if

1137
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: you get a bed and you kill a good buck

1138
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: out of it, there's a good chance to kill another

1139
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: one out of that the next year or even later

1140
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: that same year. UM, the buck I killed the first

1141
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: weekend of this season, I've killed about six or seven

1142
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: big bucks out of that bet in area and that's

1143
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: on public land. Um, and they get up out of

1144
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: that same bed, the same spot. I actually got to

1145
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: the point where I'm watching that bed waiting from the rise. Wow.

1146
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: So do you think that even let's say that, let's

1147
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: say there's a big buck and we think he's betting here,

1148
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: will a new buck start betting in there, even if

1149
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: that original buck is still around and using it, or

1150
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: will it not be until that buck is dead or gone?

1151
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: Then a new buck will start using it? Absolutely different

1152
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: books uses beds all the time. And and there's actually

1153
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: what I call satellite betting. And um, if you have

1154
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: a really good UM betting area, that's one of the

1155
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: main ones. Um, more than one buckle want a bed there,

1156
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: and wherever the kingpin is get to pick the good spot.

1157
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: And if he gets there, there's a smaller buck there.

1158
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: That smaller buck will have to move and a smaller

1159
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: bucks to get there. Afterwards, they gotta you know, back out.

1160
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: And what happens is they've been around in a radius,

1161
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, around this bed and like spots that aren't

1162
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: quite as good, and that guy's problem is too speaking

1163
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: in there, you're kicking up other betted deer that will

1164
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: kick up your buck that you're after. And how big

1165
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: of an area are these betting areas where there's the

1166
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: kingpin and then maybe a couple of satellite bucks. Is

1167
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: this like a two acre area or we're talking a

1168
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: big chunk of thick stuff or I mean how large?

1169
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Usually about an acre, so sometimes smaller, sometimes bigger, but

1170
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the best ones I can think of

1171
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: off the top of my head about an acre in size. Okay,

1172
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: do you ever get a situation where several mature bucks

1173
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: will be betting in an area like that? I've always

1174
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: assumed that when it comes to mature bucks you're talking,

1175
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to be bettered too closely during

1176
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, the later portions of the hunting season. Of course,

1177
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: there in the summer early season they'll be best for groups,

1178
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: But once you're into October. I always assume that if

1179
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: there's a mature buck betting in here, there probably won't

1180
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: be another big buck betted for a decently a decent distance.

1181
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: Is that what you've seen or no, that is pretty accurate.

1182
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's always the occasional exception, but for

1183
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: the most part, from mid October through November. You don't

1184
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: see mature bucks betted together. Occasionally for some reason, I'll

1185
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: see young bucks that near the big box, but it

1186
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: must be that they've accepted their dominance level or something.

1187
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: But the big bucks, You're right, I do see him

1188
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: early season and late season betted together. But um, but

1189
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: round Rutt usually not. They're usually separated. Okay, so slightly

1190
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: silly on topics that they off In season scouting is this?

1191
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: I think this is something you do a lot. Can

1192
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about you know, what

1193
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of in season scouting you're doing and what you're

1194
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: looking for? Okay? Um. I like to follow transition lines,

1195
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: and I'll like to do with my stand on my back.

1196
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: And the reason I do that is because when you

1197
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: find that hot sign, you need to sit it when

1198
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: you find it, um. And the reason I follow the

1199
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: transition lines is because it's usually long. The betting dependings

1200
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: on the thick side of the transition. So I'm looking

1201
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: for a good sign coming out of the thick areas

1202
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: that I think you are betting, UM, And then I

1203
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: set up on it in in wait for the book

1204
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: to come out, and if he doesn't come out the

1205
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: next day, I start where I left off, go until

1206
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: I find sign again. Another way I scout in season,

1207
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: um is I have a destination in mind, and this

1208
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: happens a lot, and I've actually tellful a lot of

1209
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: books doing this. I'm going to, you know, hunt this spot,

1210
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: this stand. You know I have been there yet. I'm

1211
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: thinking that's where I want to go. So I'm heading there,

1212
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: but I'm scouting my whole way. If it's stand on

1213
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: my back anyways, So I'm like, oh, I gotta check

1214
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: the edge of this. I gotta check the edge of that.

1215
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of cases I don't make it to

1216
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: where I'm going and I end up someplace else because

1217
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: there's good sign coming out of either a known bedinary

1218
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: or some area that I think might be Betty. So,

1219
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: I think we talked a little bit about this last

1220
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: time we had you on the podcast. But for people

1221
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: that maybe miss that one, what is that sign that

1222
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: you're looking for that would make you say, oh, I

1223
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: gotta hunt here right now? The main thing for me

1224
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: is tracks. I mean, if I see big tracks, um,

1225
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: you know you dropped four fingers in it, that's great.

1226
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: And if there's tracks going in both directions, they're really good.

1227
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: Excited on one trail um, but in a lot of cases,

1228
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: you can't see the tracks. You're you're hopefully you can

1229
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: find a fresh rub or some scrapes or something. But rubs.

1230
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of funny subject because a lot

1231
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: of guys look at the diameter of the tree, and

1232
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: that's got some weight to it. But what really matters

1233
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: to me is the height. Mature bucks rubbed much higher

1234
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: off the ground than younger bucks. When those rubs get

1235
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: waste high or higher, that's it, believe gets me going, Okay,

1236
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: I think I've definitely seen the same thing, and I've always,

1237
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: like you said, people always assume it's the size of

1238
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: the tree. But I keep hearing more and more people

1239
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: you give that advice of looking at the size of

1240
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: it and maybe to a degree, the severity of how

1241
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: it's rubbed up to if there's one that's just torn

1242
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: to pieces. At least I haven't seen that be done

1243
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: by by a smaller buck. But it's interesting to look

1244
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: at those things that Are you paying any attention to

1245
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: the direction of where that rub is facing or do

1246
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 1: you think that's kind of irrelevant to how you're gonna

1247
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: hunt That kind of sign uh, you know, if it's

1248
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: along the transition. I'm I'm assuming that the books coming

1249
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: out of the transition and deal like whether rubs going

1250
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: in or out. Okay, you know another thing too is

1251
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people at this time of

1252
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: the year, that's a big confusion thing because right now

1253
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: those rubs are popping up all over the place. Believes

1254
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: are dropped and so you can see for further distances.

1255
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are noticing rubs right now.

1256
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: And I see a lot of guys on the public

1257
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: land um set up in the middle of a hardwood

1258
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: because there's a really good rub line or a bunch

1259
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: of rubs, or one that's really huge. You see a

1260
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: standard or the top of it. Um, you gotta remember

1261
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: a book. I'm a sure book, especially on public land

1262
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: Um eighty five. Or his movement is at night, so

1263
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: it's most likely that rubb was put there in the

1264
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: middle of the night. So you still got to relate

1265
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: that sign back to you know, betting or or someplace

1266
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: close to where he beds, because that's where he losing daylight. Yeah,

1267
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: that's a great point, and I think, um, this is

1268
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: something that we talked about. It's not just relevant to

1269
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: this time of year, but also during the rut, and

1270
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: when when we had chatted Dan for the recording for

1271
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: the Rules of the Rut podcast that we launched, UM,

1272
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: we talked about the fact that a lot of people

1273
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Speaker 1: make this mistake during the ruts, hunting that rut hunting

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Speaker 1: sign or that rutting sign that rubs or scrapes, when

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Speaker 1: actually during the rut, they're not necessarily making those things

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Speaker 1: as much. They're they're focusing on does or travel or WHATNOTUM.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting that repeatedly people paying too much attention

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Speaker 1: to a sign that's being created during night that that

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Speaker 1: just keeps popping up as a mistake that I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of us need to think about and try

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Speaker 1: to make sure we're not making because it's it's easy

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Speaker 1: to do. You see that and you think, Wow, I

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Speaker 1: know there's a big deer here. I need to I

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Speaker 1: need to get in on this. But it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of an illusion. Great, So let's take this to the

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Speaker 1: worst case scenario. Maybe. So let's say we're trying this

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Speaker 1: tactic out. We're trying to push him close to a

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Speaker 1: bed and we bump that buck, we see it get

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Speaker 1: up and run off. When we're heading in there trying

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Speaker 1: to get set up. What do you do, Dan? Do

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Speaker 1: you still hunt it? Do you moving closer? Do you

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Speaker 1: leave that area for a while? What should somebody had?

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Speaker 1: That situation happened a few times, and each time it's different. Um.

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Speaker 1: If I pumped into a buck and my winds blowing

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Speaker 1: right to them and he jumps up in out of there,

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Speaker 1: it's over. I'm packing up. I'm going to a different spot.

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Speaker 1: But in a lot of cases, I'm sneaking into a

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Speaker 1: bedan area and they're bettered a little too further far up.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're not exactly where I thought they'd be,

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Speaker 1: And they bust me. They don't know what I am

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Speaker 1: to get up, and they trot off. I'll go in

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Speaker 1: there and set up anyways, And I've had him come

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Speaker 1: back like a half an hour hour later, sneaking back

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Speaker 1: to your bed. You don't thinking whatever it was walked past.

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Speaker 1: If they get your scent, I think it's done. But

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Speaker 1: a visual or just some sound. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: know what you are, especially if you're in camouflage. I

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Speaker 1: think they just know something was up and it spooked

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Speaker 1: him a little, and they come back. They don't always

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Speaker 1: come back, but I think it's worth a shot. And uh,

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Speaker 1: Andre killed a lot of bucks and and I've had

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Speaker 1: some action this way too, by purposely. The Andre purposely

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Speaker 1: kicks them out of their beds and takes a look

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Speaker 1: at him see if he wants to shoot them, hangs

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Speaker 1: a stand, and then comes back to the the next morning

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Speaker 1: and shoot him when they come back. Um. So I

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Speaker 1: think if they don't get your scent and they don't

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Speaker 1: know you're a human, I think that it's not that

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Speaker 1: big of a deal. I've also kicked up satellite deer.

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Speaker 1: They run right through a betting area. I go set

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Speaker 1: up anyways, and uh, just four dark up big buckle

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Speaker 1: get up right where the deer ran through and come in. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned the infamous bump and dump. Um the

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Speaker 1: at heard some people talk about can you share with

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Speaker 1: us if someone actually wants to try doing something like

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Speaker 1: that on purpose, like Andre does, can you share with

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Speaker 1: us any tips for how to actually make that work well?

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, um, it works best, Um if you

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Speaker 1: bump them in the evening so that they get up

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Speaker 1: and they don't relocate in the new bed, so that

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Speaker 1: they go off and they stay up. They wander around

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Speaker 1: some place, get back into their routine, do their thing,

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Speaker 1: and just out to have to go back to the

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Speaker 1: same bed. I think if you bump them in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the day, they might have a tendency to

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Speaker 1: relocate at a different bed and maybe they go back

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Speaker 1: to that one after the night's over. Um, it might

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Speaker 1: be a good idea to, you know, bump them before

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Speaker 1: a moon day so the next day to coming back

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Speaker 1: a little later. Okay, are you setting up you're setting

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Speaker 1: up for that next morning hunt? Correct? You see you

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Speaker 1: bump them in the evening, but then you're expecting them

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Speaker 1: to come back the next morning. Correct? And then are

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Speaker 1: you just trying to be downwind of where you Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess you have to think about how he's entering

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Speaker 1: that bedding air. So you we talked earlier about how

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Speaker 1: you believe they're jay hooking, So you're trying to anticipate

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Speaker 1: how they might jay hook to get down wind of

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Speaker 1: their bed and then try to be right off of that.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Right? And that gets a little complex,

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Speaker 1: But but yes, um, and I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: where they're going to come into that bed and make

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Speaker 1: make sure I'm not going to get winded is basically,

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Speaker 1: um the scenario. So I'm trying to determine, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: wind's gonna be this way, he's gonna come from down wind.

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Speaker 1: How am I going to get in here and and

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Speaker 1: kill this thing without um him busting me. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like you said, complex, because there's that potential that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna go around you yet if you're too close to

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Speaker 1: the bedding area correct, and if you're too far he

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Speaker 1: gets in between you and you get down and you

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Speaker 1: spook them. Um. Now, on on the hills, they tend

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Speaker 1: to um come in at the in the bomb three

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Speaker 1: and then when you gets straight down wind of the

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Speaker 1: bed they go straight up to the bed um, which

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Speaker 1: kind of gotta figure out which way they're going to

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Speaker 1: come from and then hook up. That seems to be

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Speaker 1: the easiest one for me to figure out as the

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Speaker 1: hill ones, because they always seem to come from the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the hill. Mhm. It's definitely one of those

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Speaker 1: high risk, high reward type hunts that is pretty intriguing

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Right, I do far more

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Speaker 1: more damage and evenings personally. Um, it's just easier to

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Speaker 1: figure out, you know, it's easier to to do um

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Speaker 1: without you know, blowing it. You know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to put all my eggs in one basket and kick

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Speaker 1: him out in the morning and or have the infamous

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Speaker 1: bump him and never ever ever see him again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you definitely don't want that one. So so I've got

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Speaker 1: one final question for you then, because we are coming

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Speaker 1: up here on times actually pretty long for us. Um.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Andre a couple of times, and you know

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Speaker 1: he's the founder of Lone Wolf Tree Stands, and like

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Speaker 1: you said, he has killed a tremendous number of really

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Speaker 1: big bucks. And there's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 1: always really interested in and how he does this. And

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Speaker 1: I know that you're pretty close to him. Could you

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Speaker 1: share with us what you think is, you know, what's

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Speaker 1: andres real key to success? How is he killing all

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Speaker 1: these big deer? Do you know if he if I

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Speaker 1: had to give one thing that he's got that makes

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Speaker 1: him deadly. It's gonna sound a little goofy to you,

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Speaker 1: but I totally believe this. I believe it's his confidence.

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Speaker 1: He believes he's gonna be successful. He goes in aggressively

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Speaker 1: and does what he has to do to get the

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Speaker 1: chop done, and he is so competent in what he's

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Speaker 1: doing that it that it works out, it comes through,

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I kind of think that applies to

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of different strategies when it comes to

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Speaker 1: if you're really confident in your set up or what

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01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: you're doing that given day, I think you're just that

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: much more inclined to pay attention to the details while

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: you're out there hunting. You're that much more likely to

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: do everything the right way that night because you think

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: this can actually happen, um, rather than those days where

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: you think it's just a random set and you might

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01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: get lazy with things. So I wonder if that's something

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Speaker 1: to do with it. Another thing about him is is um,

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Speaker 1: I've known him, you know, half of his life before

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Speaker 1: anybody even knew who he was, when he was you know,

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: working out of his garage and such. And he has

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: never been one to pick up a hunt magazine, turn

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: on a show, what's your video? I don't think he

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Speaker 1: even relates to any of that. He figures everything out

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01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: on his own, so he doesn't learn everybody else's mistakes

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01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that if he did hunting

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: early on, when when we were younger, hunting together just

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: blew my mind, Like he would walk into Bettan areas

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 1: and kick the box up so to be on their

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: feet that night, so it wouldn't be nocturnal and they

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01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: go hunt him someplace else and actually kill him. So,

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he he just he learned all that stuff

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: on his own without getting that the misconceptions that are

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: are out there in his head. Interesting, I know him.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the segments where Andrea talked on your

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01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: videos sharing some of his tips, and it's always one

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01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: of those people. I think people are just kind of

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: fascinated with with how he's been hunting and how he's

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: had some success. So that's really interesting to hear your

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: perspective on that. So, So, Dallas, do you have a

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Speaker 1: final question for Dan here before we wrap things up? Yes,

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: I do. I'm actually online right now and I'm looking

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: I typed in your name in Google and I'm looking

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: at some of your pictures here, and I want to

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: know how much money have you spent on taxidermy? Quite

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: a bit? Yeah, I mean if I put all those

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: mounts in my house, I wouldn't have pictures for my

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: daughter room for my daughter's pictures. He's done pretty good,

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01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: hasn't he. Oh, that's a lot. That's a lot of deer,

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: and they're and you know, they're all they're all really

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: good bucks. You know, Dan, I'm curious that being the case,

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Speaker 1: we just asked you what you thought the real single

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: one key to success for andre Quista was what would

1444
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: you say, your single if there was one thing that

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: you do better than most or that you really hang

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: your head on. Maybe it's related what we've been talking

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01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: about here today, but what do you think that one

1448
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: thing is that is your biggest key to success. I

1449
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: think it would be um understanding how dear bid and

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: and how to manipulate that. Yeah, I've definitely definitely have

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01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: learned from you so much on that topic, and I

1452
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: can definitely see how that's helped you kill a lot

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01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: of deer in the in the in the past, and

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll help you kill a lot of deer

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01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: in the future. So I'll tell you what, you know,

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: there's there's all these products and gimmicks that are out

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: there that they say help, you know, help people kill

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01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: bigger bucks or whatnot. I would buy Dan's Dan's Mojo,

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: And if you just would like ring out your sweat

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: into a bottle. I would buy that from you just

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: so I could get any any type of uh, I

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: don't know better advantage. I mean, because you know you

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: got it together. Man, That's what I can say. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: it well, Dan, I think that's a perfect way to

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Speaker 1: end this, uh, this out. We we appreciate you joining us,

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01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Dans so much for the second time, and um, just

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01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: thank you. We're excited to chat with you in the

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01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: future hopefully again. We're excited to see how the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season goes for you. And uh and thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. Yeah, definitely, yeah, for sure. All right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Okay. With that said, if

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Speaker 1: you'd like to hear more from Dan and Fault, check

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Speaker 1: out are recently released Rules of the Rut two point

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Speaker 1: articles to those books and is interviewed for the podcast series.

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Speaker 1: You can find more details at wire to Hunt dot

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Speaker 1: com slash episode twenties seven, along with the rest of

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Speaker 1: the show notes and links from today's episode. Also, as always,

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Speaker 1: if you've been enjoying the podcast, we would of course

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it if you could leave us a rating.

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Speaker 1: Or review on iTunes. Big thanks to everyone who has

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Speaker 1: already done that. And finally, we'd like to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners who helped make this show possible. Big thanks to

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Speaker 1: Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge, Barr Trey, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express, Arrows, Hunts,

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Speaker 1: Soft Lacrosse, Boots, Big and Jay, Lawnage Attractings, and the

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Speaker 1: White Tailed Institute of North America. That all said, thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking a little bit of time out of your

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Speaker 1: day to be with us. It's an amazing time of

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Speaker 1: year to be a white to hunter, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you've been able to take advantage of I wish you

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Speaker 1: all the luck in the world in your next hunting trip,

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Speaker 1: and as always, stay weirder to hunt.