1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Investors are saying, we can't take the financial risk anymore. Yes, 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: we cannot take the financial risk anymore in New York City, 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: in New York State because of the attack on Donald Trump. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: That was clearly an abuse of power by an activist 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: judge that was wanting to go after Donald Trump and 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: an activist da who said she was going to bury 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Trump when she was trying to get elected if she 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: was elected. I want you to hear what real estate 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: investors say after the Trump ruling, and also what Donald 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Trump had to say at his town hall the other 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: night with Laura Ingram. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Listen the Ingram Engles town hall last night in South Carolina. 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: We went through a trial. 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: It turned out with totally innocent on everything, and he 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 4: fined me three hundred and fifty five million dollars plus 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 4: interest in other things. My financial statements were conservative, everybody 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 4: made money. 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: There was no victim. 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 4: This guy ruled that I was guilty before the trial started. 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Well, now, some real estate investors are worried about working 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: in New York City and owning property there. Private equity 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: fund manager and real estate investor Grant Cardone told his 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: employees quote immediately discontinue all underwriting on New York City 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: real estate. The risk outweighs the opportunities at this time, 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: focus on Texas and Florida and Grant Flora's right now 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: from down in Florida. Hey, Grant, how are you? 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: Hey? Thank you, Steve, I'm good this morning. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: Okay, listen. 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a no brainer. I mean, 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm sitting in New York City. If I had my druthers, 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: I would think that Florida or Texas would be a 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: better bet, just given the fact there's so much crime 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that, as we've been detailing, you know, 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: the migran crisis is zapping all of our resources here. 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: This is not a good real estate market right now, right. 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: It was an opportunity. 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 5: We thought this year was the opportunity to come into Chicago, 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 5: California and New York City. I've been waiting for forty 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: years now to invest in that marketplace. I was completely confidence, Steve, 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 5: this was the year to come. And when that ruling happened, 41 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 5: it was like pencils down, don't touch it, don't go there. 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 5: We invest for fourteen thousand investors at card Own Capital 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 5: that depend on cash flow, and if I can't predict 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 5: the cash flow because it's some ruling, or because of 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 5: the migrants, or because I can evict people. New York 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 5: City just keeps doing every single thing they can to 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: sell real estate in Florida and not sell real estate 48 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: in New York. 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 6: Great. 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: Well, and just look at the Grand card Oonne story. 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: You left the great state of California what over ten 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: years ago and moved to Florida. Because that makes sense. Now, Grant, 53 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: what is it about this particular judge's ruling that has 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: you worried as a real estate investor going forward the 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: peril you could wind up in. 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, So on every loan application or every transaction, I'm 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 5: going to go to a bank and say, hey, if 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 5: I want to put a loan on this, what are 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 5: the loan proceeds going to be? Those loan proceeds are 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 5: based on the value of the property. They're going to 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 5: require me to actually underwrite my property on the cash flow, 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: the income of the property, and what valuation I believe 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 5: that property's worth. 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: The broken wall. 65 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 5: Also put evaluation on it, probably a third party, one 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 5: of my third parties, to check my own underwriting for 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 5: me internally, for my investors, and then the bank is 68 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 5: also Steve going to use it at least one other appraisal, 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: maybe two, or independent of me. They're going to go 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 5: out and hire those people and pay those people. They'll 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 5: charge me back for it later, So there could be 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: as many as five appraisals on that the value that 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 5: I'm going to put on the property. Keep in mind, 74 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 5: when I'm buying something, I'm not thinking about selling it 75 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 5: the next day. In the case of Trump, he's not 76 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 5: selling any of this stuff. In the case of card 77 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 5: On Capital, we are long term holders ten, fifteen and 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: twenty years. We want the property for the cash flow. 79 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 5: So I'm going to put a value on it in 80 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 5: the future. And look, I remember doing a deal once 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 5: where I put a value on my property that I 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: was getting rid of. 83 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: I inflated the value. 84 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 5: A guy at the bank at Merrill Lynch heard about 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 5: it and bought it for the price I had stated 86 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 5: to the bank. So every seller is always going to 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 5: push the price value up based on the future, not 88 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 5: based on fraud. 89 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: So you're just worried that you might if you were 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: big in New York real ess state, this could come 91 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: back to haunt somebody like you. 92 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 5: Until this thing is overruled, and I believe it will 93 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 5: be nobody, nobody in commercial real estate investing. Big money 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 5: we were going to take. We were going to put 95 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 5: a billion dollars in New York City this year. We 96 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 5: were going to put a billion dollars in Chicago and 97 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 5: maybe another billion in Los Angeles, and we won't touch 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 5: any of them now, all right, Texas, Texas, Florida, Arizona, 99 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 5: go hard, go big, and go along. 100 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it here first 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: from grank Card Texas. 102 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: Did you hear that Florida? I mean he says go 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: long and go hard. By the way, I don't think 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: he's crazy in what he's saying here. I think this 105 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: is exactly what you would expect from any investor. There's 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: gonna be people saying, oh, he's this is just some 107 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: pro Trump guy mauthn Off. No, I think this is 108 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: actually a smart investor who is a fiduciary for his investors. 109 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: With billions of dollars at play, why take the risk? 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: I want to also let you hear what O'Leary had 111 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: to say, Shark tank guy. This is shark tank guy 112 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: that understands investing. He's very smart. He's not political on Fox. 113 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 6: Having a back with us A Leary Ventures chairman, Shark 114 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 6: Tank investor. You know, Kevin, you had mentioned and it 115 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 6: was a very profound kind of comment that you know, 116 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 6: some of these other businesses do it right to be 117 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: concerned whether they like Donald Trump or not. Maybe you 118 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 6: can elaborate on that. 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 7: Well, this award, I mean just leaving the whole Trump 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 7: thing out of it and seeing what occurred here. And 121 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 7: I'm no different than any other investor. 122 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: I'm shocked at this. 123 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 7: I can't even understand or fathom the decision at all. 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 7: There's no rationale for it. And so let me give 125 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 7: you a real time experience I'm having regarding this. And 126 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 7: I'm not the only one. It doesn't matter what the 127 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 7: governor says. New York was already a loser state, like 128 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 7: California is a loser state. 129 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 3: There are many loser. 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 7: States because of policy, high taxes, uncompetitive regulation. It was 131 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 7: already on the top of the list of being a 132 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 7: loser state. 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: I would never invest. 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 7: In New York now, and I'm not the only person 135 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 7: saying that. And here's a real time situation in development 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 7: in real estate right now. The hottest asset class is 137 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 7: very high end data centers. They cost anywhere from two 138 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 7: and a half to three and a half billion each. 139 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 7: They're very expensive. They require low power. You need permits. 140 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 7: But most of the major institutions in the world need 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 7: more data centers. And that's why developers like me are 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 7: doing this. Now you need power. So New York has 143 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 7: Niagara Falls. Normally you'd consider that to put in one 144 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 7: of these facilities, create four hundred jobs, five more jobs 145 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 7: for each of one of those for auxiliary services. I 146 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 7: can't go to New York, so I'm going to Oklahoma, North. 147 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: Dakota, West Virginia. 148 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 7: Governor Stitt, Kevin Stitt, my staff have met with him, 149 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 7: Governor Bergen them same thing, Governor Justice. Those are winner states. 150 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 7: They don't do things like this. I have to syndicate 151 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 7: that debt and all at equity. We're talking billions of 152 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 7: dollars here. Do you think any foreign institution, or any 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 7: private equity firm, or. 154 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: Any pension fund would touch New York. 155 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: No. 156 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 7: And that's why New Yorker should be concerned that fine 157 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 7: people of New York should ask themselves, why are we 158 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 7: such a loser state? 159 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: How are we going to attract business? 160 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 7: It's not just the existing businesses that are fleeing out 161 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 7: to Texas and Florida. 162 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: What about new money like. 163 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 7: This I'm talking about like a four billion dollar data center. 164 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: Not a chance I would put that in New York, 165 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: zero probability. 166 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 7: Never And so they've got a lot of work to 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 7: do to find themselves getting out of this situation. This 168 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 7: is all occurred post pandemic. Winner states versus loser states. 169 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 7: Look at Tennessee right now, fastest growing city in America, Nashville, 170 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 7: winner state, good policy, competitive taxes. You've got to start 171 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 7: thinking about this in the context of winners and losers. 172 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: New York mega loser state. 173 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 6: So, Kevin, what did you think of Governor Hokel saying 174 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 6: this is like a unique one and done because Donald 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 6: Trump went too far and so nefarious. You guys, if 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 6: you're just doing what you should be doing, you. 177 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: Have nothing to worry about. 178 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: But they're very wreorried about it. 179 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're very worried. 180 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 7: Every investor is worried because where is the victim who 181 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 7: lost money? This is some arbitrary decision. A judge made 182 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 7: this policy. And what this says, What does this say 183 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 7: about the bar? The legal bar in New York. Aren't 184 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 7: they going to question this judge? What is this three 185 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty five million dollars and there's dollars as 186 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 7: a as a penalty, and there's plus interest at nine percent, 187 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 7: and there's no victim. I mean, I'm sorry her words 188 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 7: fall on deaf ears to everybody. There's nothing she can 189 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 7: say to justify this decision. 190 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: And this has. 191 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 7: Nothing to do with Trump, nothing to do with Trump. 192 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 7: Forget about Trump. This is not a Trump situation. This 193 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 7: is a New York problem. Now the whole world is 194 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 7: looking at this saying, what are you doing to yourselves? 195 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 6: Well, put Kevin always good tending with your Kevin O'Leary 196 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 6: following all of that. 197 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear what he says there, and he 198 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: said after the Trump ruling, I would never invest in 199 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: mega loser New York. The number of jobs that this 200 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: is going to cost. And look, even if it is overturned, 201 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: the millions of dollars in legal bills to defend yourself 202 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: from this. And everybody's saying the same thing. They believe 203 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: this is going to be overturned, right like everybody's saying it, 204 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be overturned. This is not some crazy, Like, 205 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: it's so crazy that it's obvious it's going to be overturned. Right, 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: it's so absurd, it's obvious it's going to be overturned. 207 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: It's clear. I go back to if you're a smaller investor. 208 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: I've invested in things before, and it was a lot 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: of money to me. It may not be a lot 210 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: to somebody that's a billionaire, but a lot of investments 211 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: are actually not funded by billionaires. They're funded by smaller 212 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: investors that do fifty grand twenty thousand, seventy hundred thousand, 213 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand, and people that worked years to get 214 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: that might to then invest to the next thing. If 215 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: you know this can happen to what you're investing in, 216 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: why would you ever even think that I'm going to 217 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,239 Speaker 1: take the chance. I mean, I've invested in several businesses. 218 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: Some have done incredibly well, some have been a disaster. 219 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: And when you work hard, you're trying to provide for 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: your family, and you know that now you have your 221 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: you're in a you're about to do business in a 222 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: place where a state could just take it all away 223 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: from you and could bankrupt the business just because they 224 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: don't like your politics, and just because they can. And 225 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: even if it is overturn, you still lost out on 226 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: how much money? Right? How much? How much? 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You ready for this? 273 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: A New Orleans, New Orleans, as DZ would put it, 274 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: magician says a Democratic operative paid him to make a 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: fake Biden robocall. That's right. A Democratic consultant who worked 276 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: for a rival presidential campaign apparently paid a New Orleans 277 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: magician to use artificial intelligence to impersonate President Joe Biden 278 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: for a robo call that's now at the center of 279 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: a multi state law enforcement investigation that, according to text messages, 280 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: call logs and VENMOE transactions, the creator now shared with 281 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: NBC News, Paul Carpenter says he was hired in January 282 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: by Steve Kramer, who has worked on ballot access for 283 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: Democratic presidential candidate Dean Phillips, to use AI software to 284 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,479 Speaker 1: make the imitation of Biden's voice, urging New Hampshire Democrats 285 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,239 Speaker 1: not to vote in the state's primary presidential primary. Quote. 286 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: I created the audio used in the robot call it. 287 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: I did not distribute it, Carpenter said an interview in 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: New Orleans, where he's currently residing. I was in a 289 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: situation where someone offered me some money to do something, 290 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: and I did it. There was no malicious intent. I 291 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't know how it was going to be distributed. Carpenter, 292 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: who holds world records in fork bending and straight jacket 293 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: escapes but as no fixed address, showed NBC News how 294 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: he created the fake Biden audio and said he came 295 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: forward because he regrets his involvement in the ordeal and 296 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: wants to warn people about how easy it is to 297 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: use AI to mislead. Wait, so Democrats are using AI 298 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: to mislead voters. That would never happen, right, Yeah, it 299 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: gets better. Creating the fake audio took less than twenty 300 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: minutes in costs only one dollar, he said, for which 301 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: he was paid one hundred and fifty according to Venmo 302 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: payments from Kramer and his father, Bruce Kramer that he 303 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: shared quoted. So scary that it's this easy to do, 304 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: Carpenter said, people aren't ready for it. Referring to the 305 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: AI technology, Carpenter shared what he says is the original 306 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: audio file created with eleven Labs that appears to be 307 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: a complete and higher quality version of the recording of 308 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: the call. NBC News previously reported on the robo call 309 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: has drawn intense attention from New Hampshire as well as 310 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement officials for possibly violating state voter suppression 311 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: and federal telecom laws. Fishers have mentioned the name of 312 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: a Dallast company that was used to place the automatic 313 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: phone call to voters ahead of the state's primary, and 314 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: have vowed to investigate, citing a desire to make an 315 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: example of those involved in the first known example of 316 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: an AI generated deep fake being deployed maliciously in an 317 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: American political campaign. Authorities have not named Carpenter Steve Kramer 318 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: as targets of their investigation so far. The players. Steve 319 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: Kramer is a longtime Democratic political operative, having worked for 320 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: dozens of campaigns over more than twenty years, including the 321 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty presidential campaign of Ye the Rapper formerly known 322 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: as Kanye West. Steve Kramer initially did not respond to 323 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: multiple requests from NBC News for comment. Days later, however, 324 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: he said he would wait to speak on the matter 325 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: until he publishes something Saturday. 326 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: Quote. 327 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: My op ed will explain it all, he said in 328 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: a text message to NBC News. The Phillips campaign and 329 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the candidate himself expressed outrage when asked about Steve Kramer's 330 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: alleged involvement, saying they would never work with him again 331 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: and may pursue legal action if the allegations are in 332 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: fact confirmed. NBC News has seen no evidence of the 333 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: campaign directed Steve Kramer or to produce or disseminate the 334 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: robo call. Federal Election Commission records show that Steve Kramer 335 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: was paid about two hundred and fifty nine thousand by 336 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: Phillips campaign in December and January. The payments were for 337 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: ballot access work in New York and Pennsylvania, which includes 338 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: canvassing for the signatures necessary to qualify for the ballot. 339 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: The campaigns of the work included production and distribution of 340 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: a robo call that featured Phillip's voice. Payments listed in 341 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: their campaign finance filings indicate Steve Kramer did get out 342 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: the vote work. If it's true that mister Kramer had 343 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: any involvement in the creation of deep fake robo calls. 344 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: He did so on his own, of his own milition, 345 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: which had nothing to do with our campaign, is what 346 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: Phillips Press secretary Katie Dolan said. The fundamental notion of 347 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: our campaign is the importance of competition, choice and democracy. 348 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: We are disgusted to learn that mister Kramer's allegedly behind 349 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: the call, and if the allegations are true, we absolutely 350 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: denounce his actions. Sure, okay, I believe you there, I'm 351 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: being sarcastic, of course. Phillips campaign said its relationship with 352 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: Kramer ended several weeks ago after he completed his contract 353 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: to gather signatures to help the candidates get on the 354 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: ballot and his assigned states, and there has been no 355 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: communication with him by late Thursday. 356 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 8: Now. 357 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: The magician and this political consultant is the craziest part 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: of the story. Carpenter, who was born in Houston and 359 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: calls himself a digital nomad artist of life, did not 360 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: expect to end up in the middle of a national 361 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: political scandal. When he says he met Steve Kramer last year. 362 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: The only thing missing from the political circus is a magician. 363 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: And here I am Carpenter said, who also' is the 364 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: podcast has created instructional videos for menalism, and says he's 365 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: performed in twenty four different countries. In the past few years, 366 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: he says he's been building computer programs and experimenting with 367 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: ntfs and content creation and art artificial intelligence AI. He 368 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: rides a motorcycle with his Chihuahua mix, who wears dog goggles. 369 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: His political views are eccentric, as he describes it. He 370 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: speaks of his belief in right wing conspiracy theories such 371 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: as deep state, and has some issues quote unquote with 372 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: the first Moon landing, but also says he staged a 373 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: performance art piece where he placed a porcelain toilet on 374 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: former President Donald Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of 375 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: Fame and pretended to defecate on it. Yeah, this is 376 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: the guy you want working on your campaign. Right. Finally, 377 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: the magician says he's saved several such stunts meant to provoke, 378 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: he says, such as the one in which he wore 379 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: only a fig leaf in the Times Square in New 380 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: York City as an expression of racial authenticy, and another 381 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: in which he filmed himself portraying various Americans, including white 382 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: supremacists with a swastika on his forehead, which he says 383 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: was about showing that there are all that we are 384 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: all humans despite how much we hate each other. That's 385 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: the guy you got to work on the presential campaign. Wow. Finally, 386 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: he said, he and Kramer, the political operative, were introduced 387 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: through a mutual acquaintance for whom he had done some 388 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: web design and social media management work. Cermer said he 389 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: then took an interest in his experience with AI. It's 390 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: MSNBC saying you must stand with the rep Russian opposition 391 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: leader's wife, giving supporting aid to her. That's number one 392 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: this while ABC News debunks their own headline where they 393 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: claim that there's crushing sanctions on Russia and then admit, yeah, 394 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: the sanctions are basically going to do nothing at all. 395 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: We also are now being told from Ambassador Thomas Greenfield 396 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: that Ukraine needs this assistance to continue to fight this 397 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: war or we will be in a major war for 398 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: the rest of our lives. That's the new threat coming 399 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: from the left. Take a listen to the ambassador saying 400 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: this on CNN this morning. 401 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 9: Any est now, it is the US Ambassador of the 402 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 9: United Nations, lond of Thomas Greenfield. We appreciate your time, 403 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 9: met an ambassador. Let to start, we see another round 404 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 9: of sanctions. This is already the most I think significant 405 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 9: sanctions regime that's ever been implemented, particularly given the scale 406 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 9: in the alliance that's put them into place. 407 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: But it also, by the way, if this is true, 408 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: that these are like sanctions at a level we've never 409 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: seen before. Right, So that's the propaganda now from CNM 410 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: being pushed out there. Why did we wait virtually three 411 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: years to do it? Why do we wait a year 412 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: to do it? Why don't we wait two years to 413 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: do it? If this is supposed to be some great deterrent, 414 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: why did we wait this long to do it? If 415 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: we were trying to truly stop the war with Ukraine, 416 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't we have done this day one? Why did we 417 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: wait three years? If you saw that the war was 418 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: going into a stalemate, then why wouldn't you have done it? 419 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: Then? 420 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: By the way, this will have zero impact on Russia's 421 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: decision whether to continue or to pull out of Ukraine, 422 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: just so everyone understands that. 423 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 9: So it seems it comes at the same time where 424 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 9: Russia has made gains on the battlefield, and it feels 425 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 9: like the momentum has started to shift somewhat. How concerned 426 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 9: is the administration about the trajectory of this war? 427 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 8: Look, the administration has been working diligently to get the 428 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 8: assistance to the Ukrainian effort, including pressing Congress to provide 429 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 8: needed funding. But the Ukrainians resilience can't be played down here. 430 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 8: They have taken back fifty percent of the territory that 431 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 8: Russia stole from them, and they will keep fighting. They 432 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 8: are not asking us to fight for them, They're asking 433 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 8: us to assist them, to give them the twos that 434 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 8: they need to continue the fight, and we're working to 435 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 8: try to get that to them. 436 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 10: Madam Ambassador, I wonder what you make of this from 437 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 10: the former Ukrainian First Lady Katerini Ushenko. Here's what she 438 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 10: told us yesterday. 439 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 11: The delay in arms has costing us thousands of people 440 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 11: every day. And if we had gotten to aid when 441 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 11: the threats at first, if we'd gotten the aid when 442 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 11: the war then the new escalation at first started, it 443 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 11: would be over. But we have been fighting with a 444 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 11: very limited capacity, And you know, I think that's very 445 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 11: important for the US and Europe to understand that withdrawing 446 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 11: assistance will not make the war shorter. 447 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 10: Her assessment that had this aid gotten there earlier, the 448 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 10: war would be over, and she means with Ukraine as 449 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 10: a victor. I wonder if you agree with that assessment. 450 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 8: You know, I'm not a military strategist, so I can't 451 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 8: say that, but I can say that the President has 452 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 8: been clear that Ukraine needs this assistance to continue. 453 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: To fight this war. 454 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 8: They're on the front lines of fighting for democracy, and 455 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 8: that's why it is so important that we get this 456 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 8: aid and this assistance to them as quickly as we 457 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 8: possibly can. And I know that they are frustrated. I 458 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 8: know the President is frustrated, and we're all frustrated. We 459 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 8: want to see them get the support that they need 460 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 8: so that they can continue to defend themselves and to 461 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 8: defend democracy. 462 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 9: If the President has been unequivocal about the desire to 463 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 9: have that happen, obviously Congress would need to actually come 464 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 9: back to Washington. 465 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: I love how they keep using this line over again 466 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: to defend democracy. The Democrats have really gone all in 467 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: to own that line, like we must defend democracy. They're 468 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: not defenders of democracy. If they were, they would do 469 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: things very different. Than how they're doing them now. They 470 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: are not defenders of democracy. That is a lie. Anyone 471 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: that listens to them knows that is a lie. They 472 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: have never been the defenders of democracy, but they're trying 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: to own it going into this election, acting like somehow 474 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: they are true defenders of democracy, which they are not. 475 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: Do not let them hijack the narrative here and every 476 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: time they tell you that they're doing some great thing 477 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: with sanctions, as they keep saying it right now, also 478 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: remind them, Okay, why is the Russian oligarch still not 479 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: sanctioned that sent three million dollars to the Biden crime 480 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: family whose husband was the former mayor of Moscow. Somebody 481 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: needs to answer that question. Somebody please answer that question. 482 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm waiting, I am waiting. I am waiting, I am waiting. 483 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: I want to hear it. I want to know because 484 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: this is total crap and it's propaganda from the left, 485 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and I think everybody knows that it is propaganda from 486 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: the left. Make sure you please share this podcast and 487 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: this show anywhere that you can on so social media 488 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: to get the word out. It is important. Make sure 489 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: you pay attention to what Tony Bobolinsky says, and a 490 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: lot of this will, i'm sure leak out this coming week. 491 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: But if there's anybody that the Biden crime family is 492 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: afraid of their testimony is Tony Bobolinsky because they know 493 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: what he knows, because they were sitting down with him 494 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: doing the business deals, and the business deals to quote, 495 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: Hunter was buying access to my dad. See it back 496 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: here tomorrow. Have a great rest of your day.