Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Football is Bashed.
Speaker 2: It's kind of.
Speaker 1: From the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 3: It's around the NFL. Dan Kansas Heroes, Greg Rooseveal Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: Week one of the preseason in doubles, and now I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do my best fireman d here we go.
Speaker 4: I'm taking it down. Let's get a lot of silence
Speaker 4: in the room, get the whole building silent, get it silent.
Speaker 5: Then a sixty yard field goal trying to close.
Speaker 2: Out the half.
Speaker 6: Tucker got the leg into it as.
Speaker 3: Josh Tucker, are you kidding me? Who said the preseason
Speaker 3: has no juice?
Speaker 2: Some go so hard? Never heard that? That's horn.
Speaker 6: We've never been to steep into the production.
Speaker 3: Justin Tucker in the first preseason game, just drills one
Speaker 3: from six.
Speaker 1: The they win by one point.
Speaker 3: The Ravens twenty nineteen over the defending NFC champion Eagles.
Speaker 3: And now they've won goddamn near our quarter of one
Speaker 3: hundred games in a row in the preseason, the greatest
Speaker 3: streak since Joe Demagio. That's how you start the preseason.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 7: They definitively are angling to win these games, and with
Speaker 7: each victory, it becomes a more impossible record to reach
Speaker 7: for any other team with the way that the preseason
Speaker 7: is because think about it. Also, with one less preseason
Speaker 7: game every year, it will take that many more years
Speaker 7: for a team to even get there. And they won't.
Speaker 7: They won't get there. It's never going to be matched.
Speaker 7: If it does, you can take me out with a bullet.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you right now, it never will be. And
Speaker 7: I also learned something about JM. L. Sas and hype.
Speaker 7: You know, best case scenario, just do the job.
Speaker 8: But like I think, the Bells have won like ten
Speaker 8: straight or something like that, so there at least you.
Speaker 2: Have five more years of Aaron.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like when this streak started, you had children
Speaker 7: that weren't even born yet.
Speaker 3: What that's absolutely true. Harrison wasn't on this planet yet.
Speaker 3: If a female, if an assassin.
Speaker 1: Took you out.
Speaker 3: Mark from the sixth floor of Amiba Records in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: right not here.
Speaker 6: I thought, I thought, you're gonna sah Parking Ground.
Speaker 1: And you look up.
Speaker 2: If it has been closed for.
Speaker 1: Many they moved and open to a new location.
Speaker 3: Okay, and it's huge Hollywood and Vine from the Book Depository.
Speaker 3: You look up your dying breath because I know what
Speaker 3: you're thinking. You're saying, Oh, that better be like a leggy,
Speaker 3: brunette assassin. Okay, what if it's like fat, middle aged
Speaker 3: guy named Butch. Well, that's disappointing. I don't think that's rushing.
Speaker 3: Even worse than the death itself would be that's who
Speaker 3: got me after all the fantasizing about the female assassin
Speaker 3: to get a.
Speaker 7: Book, it would be. It would be the wrong way
Speaker 7: to go. I think they I have wrong. Is like,
Speaker 7: if were I taken out by anyone's bullet, it would
Speaker 7: not be categorized as an assassination.
Speaker 6: It would just be a murder.
Speaker 2: We would call it that because you could. I would at.
Speaker 3: Least frame it, and I would frame it as just
Speaker 3: because it would. Then it would have a political undertone,
Speaker 3: and it would make Greg and I see more importance.
Speaker 3: We'd say it's connected to the show somehow and taking
Speaker 3: us out.
Speaker 6: And leverage it, and any I won't be here to stop.
Speaker 1: You'll be a martyr.
Speaker 8: Just imagining the person would like just getting into football.
Speaker 8: Turned on this podcast for the very first time today.
Speaker 8: The first two minutes seemed to be some sort of
Speaker 8: hallucination Uh, that's going on.
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: This is real football fascination talk.
Speaker 3: Because coming up later today our old buddy Ross Tucker,
Speaker 3: former offensive alignment Uh. He wrote a nice piece over
Speaker 3: there on the thirty third team dot dot com got
Speaker 3: emotional just thinking, I mean conversation. It's a website that
Speaker 3: does that some people. So Ross Tucker his tears of
Speaker 3: offensive lines. And if you don't think that that's not
Speaker 3: vitally important in this sport we call football.
Speaker 1: Uh, you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: You're paying too much attention to political controversies and assassination
Speaker 3: attempts and not enough attention to ball. It's one in
Speaker 3: the trenches. And Ross knows what he's talking about. So
Speaker 3: he's gonna come on talk about those tears. But before
Speaker 3: we get into that, yes, preseason week one, it's done,
Speaker 3: So why don't we just have a little conversation. I
Speaker 3: think a good way to get into this is Uh
Speaker 3: and Randy behind the glass today. Eric will be back
Speaker 3: later in the week and we'll have some things to
Speaker 3: catch up with with mister Roberts, but we'll leave it
Speaker 3: at that for now.
Speaker 1: Randy, we're going to talk about who popped and who flopped.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were work shopping a different name.
Speaker 2: But we've right.
Speaker 8: I thought we were going with who popped it? Hoo
Speaker 8: pooped that that was a big surprise.
Speaker 3: Uh, listen, there's a couple of different routes we could
Speaker 3: have gone, but then the poop sound effect would have
Speaker 3: been maybe not I don't ears audience, and that actually
Speaker 3: was you know, I think of children.
Speaker 7: You typically would gamble on the fact that I wouldn't
Speaker 7: probably weigh in with ideas pre show when I'm on
Speaker 7: my way here, came in with a gem. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: mean that just came to me. I said, I have
Speaker 7: to share this with the group who was getting ha
Speaker 7: ha has on the on the.
Speaker 1: Big old lo L's big old digital belly.
Speaker 6: Lafe and it just gets you know, thrown out of
Speaker 6: the cab.
Speaker 2: You can still use it. You could use this go rogue.
Speaker 1: How about how about next week for the preseason, because
Speaker 1: I know you guys.
Speaker 8: Don't need to have you don't need to have a
Speaker 8: sound effect for for this for you, if you talk
Speaker 8: about it, we'll give it.
Speaker 2: We'll get better without it at that.
Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not we'll do never, We'll do if
Speaker 3: we have if we have a segment called hohopopped?
Speaker 1: Who pooped? And we're not having some type of poop
Speaker 1: sound effect? What do we even hear for?
Speaker 3: I agree, So next time we do preseason takeaways, we'll
Speaker 3: call it that name.
Speaker 6: That's fair.
Speaker 7: How about I think it's equitable equitables right, Well, we're
Speaker 7: a team, so you use everyone's ideas.
Speaker 1: The other words. I love it. See the togetherness, the teamwork.
Speaker 1: Football is back, kind of who popped?
Speaker 3: In Week one of the preseason, Greg, I'll start with you.
Speaker 8: You know I'm gonna start with the same note I
Speaker 8: started my sixty eight takeaways from.
Speaker 2: The WHOA season. You can check you on NFL dot com.
Speaker 8: Like I thought, you have to start with DeMar Hamlin
Speaker 8: just because of everything that we watched and went through
Speaker 8: last year that he went through rather and to see
Speaker 8: him out on the field and like we've been taking
Speaker 8: these steps in the process that like you expected him
Speaker 8: to be back, but it still was different, at least
Speaker 8: for me as a viewer watching him out on that field,
Speaker 8: and he was very active, like any any hesitation you
Speaker 8: thought he might have had any worries, Like you couldn't
Speaker 8: see that on the field. He was knifing down, he
Speaker 8: was very active in the run game. He was blitzing
Speaker 8: like they almost felt like they were trying to get involved.
Speaker 8: And our friend Cynthia Frielan was doing the game on
Speaker 8: the sidelines and she noted, on top of Hamlin being back,
Speaker 8: and that's such a great story, He's part of such
Speaker 8: a deep safety group. There might be the best safety
Speaker 8: group in the entire NFL. With Micah Hyde his back,
Speaker 8: Jordan Poyer's back, you brought in Taylor Rap, Hamlin's out
Speaker 8: there making plays. It was the first time since Thanksgiving
Speaker 8: of twenty twenty one, the Allied, Poyer and Turdevius White
Speaker 8: were all on the field together.
Speaker 2: So that was just great to see.
Speaker 8: And it's one of those things in the preseason that
Speaker 8: like when we first heard that he's coming back, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 8: that feels almost strange, but it's also exciting, like we'll
Speaker 8: see what happens, but it's happening and it's exciting.
Speaker 7: I do wonder, I mean, if the Bills get into
Speaker 7: a weird situation. There's so deep at the position that
Speaker 7: if Hamlin, you know, has a so so preseason and
Speaker 7: from run up to the regular season, are they ever
Speaker 7: in a position where they have to part ways with
Speaker 7: him despite the great story behind it.
Speaker 8: I don't think so, just because he was such a
Speaker 8: valuable player for them. He's a good special teamer. I think,
Speaker 8: like you carry four or five safeties, and I think
Speaker 8: if he had come back and wasn't sure of himself,
Speaker 8: but by all accounts, in terms of the practice reports
Speaker 8: and what we saw on the field, how they were
Speaker 8: using him like he's going to be a third and
Speaker 8: four safety. They love their secondary and they're not very
Speaker 8: good at cornerback. I would say they're not sure if
Speaker 8: they're going to start their first round pick from a
Speaker 8: year ago, Ky or Elam. And what I've noticed a
Speaker 8: little bit of a trend around the league is like
Speaker 8: a lot of teams are saying, like, look, we have
Speaker 8: three good safeties, let's keep them on the field as
Speaker 8: starters and only have two cornerbacks. I'm thinking of like
Speaker 8: the Seahawks are a little like that, the Lions are
Speaker 8: a little bit, and I think I think the Bills
Speaker 8: could be like that too, where they have three safeties
Speaker 8: on the field most of the time.
Speaker 1: How about you, Mark, give me a pop.
Speaker 6: I can't go flop.
Speaker 3: Let's stay positive. Okay, We'll get there. You know, I
Speaker 3: just want to go negative.
Speaker 6: No, I just I had a I was interested in
Speaker 6: a flop snare.
Speaker 1: But you'll get the first flop.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Greg can't take more team because I know you're worried
Speaker 3: he'll take your flop. And then now I look it
Speaker 3: over there, I can see.
Speaker 1: Don't let him see your screen.
Speaker 6: I don't know why Greg does that.
Speaker 1: I don't know either. It's it's violating.
Speaker 7: It's sort of like an announced lack of integrity, denouncing
Speaker 7: it your trumpeting.
Speaker 3: You see it, it's right there in front of you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I've been talking this team up.
Speaker 1: Wait one second. Yeah, do you like when Greg looks
Speaker 1: at your screen.
Speaker 6: I've made it very clear that it's weird to me, and.
Speaker 2: I'll stop it. I'll try to stop it.
Speaker 1: I mean you knew that. Though I'll try it, it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop you. Though you can't stop.
Speaker 2: I'll try to stab it.
Speaker 6: I use a lot of and when I colored five and.
Speaker 8: You know, face as he's speaking, and the screen is
Speaker 8: just like right there, hared to avoid it.
Speaker 6: Is in your sight line.
Speaker 1: But they locked in on those icy blues.
Speaker 8: Right on some level, you know you wanted that seat
Speaker 8: on the corner. You wanted, you didn't want the middle.
Speaker 7: He was very strong about it's a little constant revenge needling.
Speaker 6: The new listeners still like, will you ever get to that?
Speaker 7: I have been talking this team up. I thought, you know,
Speaker 7: it was what would the Steelers look like? I love
Speaker 7: that they came out with Kenny Pickett. They didn't they
Speaker 7: didn't sit him on the sideline goes six for seven.
Speaker 7: I thought he looked very crisp George Pickens. You know,
Speaker 7: it took him a little bit of a while last
Speaker 7: year to get going, but showed a clear like chemistry
Speaker 7: with Picket. They had an excellent thirty three yard touchdown connection.
Speaker 7: I think Alan Robinson he played a lot of snaps.
Speaker 7: I still am suspicious of him as a number two,
Speaker 7: but it seems like they want to make that work.
Speaker 7: But I just thought it was a great sign for
Speaker 7: the starters to come out. And if you're Kenny Pickett,
Speaker 7: they've been talking about him in training camp. I guess
Speaker 7: they said he's thrown one interception the whole time. I
Speaker 7: don't know what that means, because that's that's situational and
Speaker 7: what you know he's Maybe that means he's been too conservative.
Speaker 6: He didn't look at that way in this game.
Speaker 7: I think it's a good sign for Pittsburgh that it
Speaker 7: looked like a better version of Kenny Pickett than even
Speaker 7: last at the end of last year.
Speaker 2: He might have the most pop. Uh.
Speaker 8: From a friend Daniel Jeremiah, from lots of national people
Speaker 8: out of local people, just saying in terms of year
Speaker 8: one to year two, leap in what you see in
Speaker 8: training camp, picket pop has been happening. So it's nice
Speaker 8: to see that confirm to your point about Robinson. I'm
Speaker 8: riding this Calvin Austen train here. Maybe it's just because
Speaker 8: he's five eight, like sixty eight, and it's fun to
Speaker 8: see those guys on the field. He was injured most
Speaker 8: of last year. He was their leading rusher. In this game,
Speaker 8: he was their leading receiver, caught a long touchdown like
Speaker 8: that might be your third receiver if out Alan Robinson
Speaker 8: doesn't work out.
Speaker 2: Calvin Austin is kind of fun.
Speaker 8: And remember that guy Broderick Jones who everyone was like,
Speaker 8: oh they stole project. This is where it's like, oh,
Speaker 8: you plug and play. He's your starter for ten years
Speaker 8: and everyone puts him in as a starter. In the
Speaker 8: depth chart, it sounds like he's probably not gonna start,
Speaker 8: which I was surprised to read that on the Athletic
Speaker 8: that Dan Moore, who was their starter a year ago,
Speaker 8: is probably gonna remain the starter. That that's really surprised,
Speaker 8: and that he would be the swing tackle. So these
Speaker 8: are little things you learned in the preseason. Actually because
Speaker 8: he's not working with the starters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a pop that I know America might
Speaker 3: not be ready for this, and I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 3: rooting for it either, But you know what, at a
Speaker 3: certain point, we're moving forward.
Speaker 1: Mark, the Browns are gonna be good this year. The
Speaker 1: Brown's gonna be really good this year.
Speaker 3: We was talking about a smart for football person and
Speaker 3: shats about their defense. How he sees that as a
Speaker 3: top ten unit. We're going to talk to Ross Tucker
Speaker 3: a little later. He sees them as having one of
Speaker 3: the best offensive lines in the league. They have the
Speaker 3: best running back in the league. They have weapons at
Speaker 3: the playmaker as receivers, and it was very short, it
Speaker 3: is very small window. But I thought Deshaun Watson looked
Speaker 3: like Deshaun Watson in his one series. Again, that's why
Speaker 3: I don't go crazy about the preseason because it's such
Speaker 3: a small sample size.
Speaker 1: But he threw the ball well, and he scrambled well.
Speaker 3: He looked quick, he looked agile, he looked like the
Speaker 3: guy that was a very very good, superstar level quarterback
Speaker 3: with the Texans. I think there's a better chance we
Speaker 3: see a very good Deshaun Watson to great Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: than the bad six game sample. And it's just on
Speaker 3: my radar as the season gets closer that and we'll
Speaker 3: be making our predictions come September who's going to win
Speaker 3: that division.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that the Browns have a
Speaker 1: big year here.
Speaker 3: And whether we want it or not, Watson he's going
Speaker 3: to get another tune up apparently before were the end
Speaker 3: of the preseason. If this offense hits the ground running,
Speaker 3: it would knock shock me at all. Good start for
Speaker 3: Watson in that offense.
Speaker 7: Well, I thought Aaron Schatz put it really well and
Speaker 7: how they kind of view what the Browns might be.
Speaker 7: It's like, do you take that six game sample size,
Speaker 7: which happened obviously after a massive hiatus from playing in
Speaker 7: in a weird situation. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 7: neck up stuff going on with the entire team and Watson,
Speaker 7: or do you take the rest of his career and
Speaker 7: assume that at his age he's not even very.
Speaker 6: Old, that like he still has that athletic ability.
Speaker 7: So that was the missing component or the unknown component
Speaker 7: for Cleveland if he flips the switch. Like the thing
Speaker 7: that I think people forget about the Browns in general
Speaker 7: is because Andrew Barry got pulled into all this and
Speaker 7: the whole organization was distasteful of so many for other
Speaker 7: pursuit of Watson, that you forget that Andrew Berry was
Speaker 7: one of the better young general managers in football before this,
Speaker 7: and the roster they had some holes coming into this offseason.
Speaker 7: We talked about that short up the defensive line, the
Speaker 7: O line, where it's like sometimes's only have like a
Speaker 7: three year window on these old and like Cleveland's is
Speaker 7: still really strong. Ross Tucker will confirm that later when
Speaker 7: we talked to him. The defense seems to be better.
Speaker 7: They've got a better coordinator in Jim Schwartz, so it
Speaker 7: is arrow up. I think for me, Greg, Like the
Speaker 7: one question is there are all these little whispers, like
Speaker 7: does Kevin Stefanski's system and the Deshaun watson skill set
Speaker 7: really marry the way you'd want.
Speaker 8: I think that was my takeaway from that brief time
Speaker 8: was how much he scrambled and moved, Like a lot
Speaker 8: of that was just free, was freelancing. And whether he's
Speaker 8: gonna have the freedom or just chooses to do that
Speaker 8: more and that makes sense. That's the strength of his
Speaker 8: Like half the snaps, he was essentially making plays on
Speaker 8: his own, either scrambling or moving outside the pocket, and
Speaker 8: he looked effective doing it in limited time. And you
Speaker 8: can do that when you have a great offensive line.
Speaker 8: That's that a great offensive line can really bring out
Speaker 8: the best in a great scram This.
Speaker 1: Is final note on Stefanski.
Speaker 3: He made the most out of Jake Brisket last year,
Speaker 3: he made the most out of Baker Mayfield. Now if
Speaker 3: he actually has a really good quarterback, I don't know,
Speaker 3: Mark feeling it, feeling a little bit.
Speaker 1: Feeling a spicy a spicy twelve.
Speaker 7: It's a crazy you need a couple of these teams,
Speaker 7: and like you need a couple of these AFC's team
Speaker 7: that everyone's just ticketing to the playoffs to fall off
Speaker 7: a little bit.
Speaker 8: I just like I I can see it all. I'm
Speaker 8: more skeptical on whether it's gonna work with Watson in
Speaker 8: the offense just in general, uh, being like a top ten,
Speaker 8: top five type of offense. You look at the rest
Speaker 8: of that the Rocks division, to me, their roster as
Speaker 8: good as it is, it's not any better than the
Speaker 8: Bengals or the Ravens, and maybe not the Steelers either.
Speaker 2: So it's just a blood bath.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But Dvoa like day before the season, you know, kurttailed
Speaker 7: with Watson, like Pitchakoba in the right, really affected.
Speaker 2: With Jacobey Brissette.
Speaker 7: Right, Uh, give me a flop Mark, I mean, I
Speaker 7: think the one that just is so obvious. And Greg's
Speaker 7: already you know, perused my screen here, so he knows
Speaker 7: where I'm going here. But uh, Trey Lance, I mean
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't think like talk about talk
Speaker 7: about fit like and I guess that is Trey Lance
Speaker 7: coming out of that performance.
Speaker 1: It's all relative, by the way, everybody kind of these
Speaker 1: people didn't.
Speaker 2: Really flop it, you know, it just rhyme top right.
Speaker 7: Well, that's why I'm staying away from like any of
Speaker 7: the rookie quarterback flop situations like whatever, like first appearance.
Speaker 6: This is Trey Lance's third season.
Speaker 7: Now, if you really look at his career, I mean,
Speaker 7: he barely threw the ball in college, and he's barely
Speaker 7: thrown the ball over three seasons or you know, two
Speaker 7: plus seasons in the NFL. And I thought that first March,
Speaker 7: that three and out where it's like, you're just not
Speaker 7: doing things the way that Kyle Shanahan wants them done,
Speaker 7: and yes, you can come make some plays.
Speaker 6: Later on, he threw a touchdown pass.
Speaker 7: It shouldn't even be called a touch and they have
Speaker 7: a different category essentially through an interception that deflects off
Speaker 7: a defender in a totally weird way. When you go
Speaker 7: watch like their actual tweeted replay, you have to watch
Speaker 7: it like fourteen times to actually see where the ball went.
Speaker 7: It was like a magic bullet that shot off him
Speaker 7: into the hands of the Niners tight end for a score.
Speaker 1: Not a positive grade on a PFF scale.
Speaker 7: Put it that way, they would they would look right
Speaker 7: past it, or they would call it essentially just a
Speaker 7: turn up.
Speaker 8: He had a thirty seven passing grade, by the way,
Speaker 8: So they waited terrible.
Speaker 7: I mean, like, I think the thing is just he
Speaker 7: to me, like the processing just watching him. He just
Speaker 7: does not look in a system where it feels like
Speaker 7: you could plug Dan in and he'd get eighty eight
Speaker 7: yards passing. Trey Lance still doesn't look comfortable, and I
Speaker 7: just I think if anything, they wanted a good preseason
Speaker 7: out of him to find out what he is, but
Speaker 7: maybe to shop him. Sam Darnold came in and with
Speaker 7: one off season in the Niners offense probably just a
Speaker 7: better quarterback just looked way sharper to me.
Speaker 3: Can I just say also with this situation and he
Speaker 3: could say the same thing.
Speaker 1: About I was just talking about with the Browns.
Speaker 3: But of course Kyle Shanahan is going very vanilla with
Speaker 3: his scheme on offense.
Speaker 1: It's not he's not turning.
Speaker 3: He's not using that big brain of his to put
Speaker 3: his quarterbacks in the position to dominate in the way
Speaker 3: he will try come week one.
Speaker 1: So it makes it hard to make judgments.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you would think Trey Lance where he is
Speaker 3: and the Niners maybe where they are, and we want
Speaker 3: to trade this guy. If again, it'd be nice if
Speaker 3: he like lit the lit the opponent up this weekend.
Speaker 6: They also aren't letting him run though that's a big
Speaker 6: part of.
Speaker 8: Their their line was brutal in this game. I'm a
Speaker 8: little worried about the San Francisco offensive line. I know
Speaker 8: these well thought these were the backups, so that's a
Speaker 8: big part of it. They were the backups. But I
Speaker 8: don't think it's a deep offensive line. I don't think
Speaker 8: it's a great pass blocking offensive line. But he's never
Speaker 8: played particularly well in the preseason.
Speaker 2: Lance Uh. He had a couple of moments in the.
Speaker 8: Regular season, like he I think he took four sacks
Speaker 8: and a couple were on him, a couple on the
Speaker 8: offensive line. But you just look at him and then
Speaker 8: you look across the field and it's Aidan O'Connell, who
Speaker 8: is like a rookie. I'm not giving a pop here,
Speaker 8: but I just it was interesting in that game the
Speaker 8: contrast and how well O'Connell played, and he was probably
Speaker 8: one of the few rookie quarterbacks that it was that comfortable.
Speaker 8: But then you think, like, who's played way more football
Speaker 8: in his life, Aidan O'Connell or Trey Lance.
Speaker 2: Like it's Aidan O'Connell.
Speaker 8: It's the guy in college that was starting twelve games
Speaker 8: a year at Purdue. And it's probably the same age
Speaker 8: because half the rookies. It feels like because COVID are
Speaker 8: like twenty five years old. I don't know what O'Connell's
Speaker 8: age was, but like it's a little concerning. The most
Speaker 8: concerning thing about the hole Lance performance was actually Kyle
Speaker 8: Shanahan spending like a minute after the game explaining why
Speaker 8: he really liked that touchdown throw. Oh, because he thought
Speaker 8: he ultimately like made the right like that he went
Speaker 8: for it, that he made the right read, that it
Speaker 8: came open late, and that he pulled the trigger. And
Speaker 8: I think that's Lance's problem, is he's not tenant aking
Speaker 8: quick decisions, not pulling the trigger, and that actually the
Speaker 8: decision was okay. The the he thought the throw was
Speaker 8: a bit off and the defense made a nice play
Speaker 8: on it. That was surprising, and like that if that
Speaker 8: was where you're trying to find some positives, that's.
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Speaker 9: All right, We're back, Greg.
Speaker 1: You got a popper flop?
Speaker 8: Mmm, let's get to the rookie quarterbacks a little I'm
Speaker 8: gonna go flop, but I'm not gonna give it to
Speaker 8: the rookie quarterback. Give it to the Panthers offensive so
Speaker 8: you can get around it. Yes, you can get around it.
Speaker 8: Because I didn't watch the Bryce Young performance live or anything.
Speaker 8: When I went back and checked it out on NFL Plus,
Speaker 8: nice plug, bra nice nice first preseason weekend for NFL
Speaker 8: Plus experience for me. When I went back to watch,
Speaker 8: I was like, I was expecting it was gonna be ugly.
Speaker 8: It's like Bryce second even knew anything wrong in that game.
Speaker 8: There was not really much he could do. There was
Speaker 8: one play that was kind of nice where he got
Speaker 8: to his second read pretty quickly, made a nice throw,
Speaker 8: but man, he got decked three times. There's this whole
Speaker 8: idea that Ikey a konglu and like our colleague Steve
Speaker 8: Smith said, like, look, he looks like one of the
Speaker 8: best left tackles in the league in practice. Like he
Speaker 8: was a bit of a disaster as a rookie and
Speaker 8: he was in this game. And there's this idea that
Speaker 8: the Panthers have this good offensive line, sneaky good.
Speaker 2: Actually a year ago. Well then you have a new
Speaker 2: coach and you have a new offensive line coach, you
Speaker 2: have a new system, and people don't really pay attention
Speaker 2: to this stuff. But oh, by the way, your two
Speaker 2: starters at guards are.
Speaker 8: Coming off of massive injuries, one of them who's still out,
Speaker 8: Austin Corber And like, okay, that's a lot of ifs. Then,
Speaker 8: like offensive line play and we'll talk about with Ross,
Speaker 8: like is not necessarily consistent year to year, especially when
Speaker 8: you're changing schemes. And so that was very concerning seeing
Speaker 8: that man get decked that quickly. Don't I don't think
Speaker 8: he really did anything wrong. Maybe there was one ball
Speaker 8: he would like to have back. There wasn't really much
Speaker 8: to it, but a nice job by the Jets defensive line.
Speaker 1: Will McDonald's spin move.
Speaker 8: I like Jets Jarmaine Johnson, hello, edge rushing group and
Speaker 8: it's Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1: Enough.
Speaker 8: You don't want to put it all on defense, but man,
Speaker 8: that Jets defense on paper is as talented as just
Speaker 8: about anyone.
Speaker 7: I mean they I thought it had happened at some point.
Speaker 7: Solomon Thomas just flattens Bryce Young and like he got
Speaker 7: right up and said he didn't even feel it. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know why, why is that so surprising?
Speaker 3: He's been playing football, he got a ton but all
Speaker 3: the time at Alabama. Right, he was hit as hard
Speaker 3: as like any college quarterback.
Speaker 7: I watched that, right, But it is like it's just
Speaker 7: this thing that people were waiting to see.
Speaker 6: So that's fine.
Speaker 7: I mean, my problem is like I don't know how
Speaker 7: to really assess Bryce Young if he's this preseason, if
Speaker 7: he's gonna be playing behind a line like this, because
Speaker 7: it's Bryce Young under constant, well, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It couldn't be.
Speaker 1: Quarterback, especially an undersized rocky quarterback. It's that's doom.
Speaker 3: You gotta they need to play at a average at
Speaker 3: least level you'd think.
Speaker 6: But there's time.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's yeah, it was a small thing,
Speaker 2: but it's Frank.
Speaker 7: Craig's coming out being like, well, you know, listen this,
Speaker 7: I don't really take the score into account, like he's
Speaker 7: like I do.
Speaker 1: We do.
Speaker 6: We are accountable for it.
Speaker 7: But it's like it's not a great it's not the
Speaker 7: score doesn't matter at all, but just sort of an
Speaker 7: uninspiring uh you know, dawn to the New Era.
Speaker 2: It was twenty seven nothing we should we should mention
Speaker 2: the Jets are back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we took off that tough Browns loss.
Speaker 3: Shows that shows resilience there it is that's gonna play
Speaker 3: well on that knocks. Hard Knocks is going to play
Speaker 3: up the shut out, the shutout aspect of it big time.
Speaker 3: I don't really need that, like the I thought that
Speaker 3: in terms of the Hard Knocks epsod when it got
Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame game, I was like, eh.
Speaker 6: I felt like they were filling Let's let's.
Speaker 3: Stick to what's going on in Flora Park. We'll see
Speaker 3: and the Hard Knocks podcast and this at the end
Speaker 3: of the last tart, I just tomorrow wretch it out.
Speaker 3: It was interesting Mingo started that.
Speaker 2: Game for the Panthers. There was one one thing that
Speaker 2: was nice, Let's see.
Speaker 3: I have one that I want to hit. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna I don't have too many flops. If I'm a
Speaker 3: Dobins fan. I want to see Mike White play a
Speaker 3: little better because you're going to see him this year
Speaker 3: in games account.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to stick with Popped.
Speaker 3: And Uh, I'm gonna leave this one open because I
Speaker 3: know Greg wants to talk about it, so I'll let
Speaker 3: him do it and I'll stick with the Bears. Is
Speaker 3: a big year for eber Fluis and Company. And DJ
Speaker 3: Moore was such a big get for that offense. And
Speaker 3: he scores a touchdown Justin Fields, then dumps off a
Speaker 3: pass to Khalil Herbert third and long. He goes fifty
Speaker 3: six yards for a touchdown, stiff arms a dude takes
Speaker 3: him to the house and this was a great stat
Speaker 3: I'll credit ESPN on this one. So Fields, you know,
Speaker 3: you look at his stats. Justin Fields, this guy's gonna
Speaker 3: win the MVP. Just basically two quick short passes. But
Speaker 3: it matters because the Bears ranked last season dead last
Speaker 3: and yards after catch eleven hundred yards. They did not
Speaker 3: have a single play rack up fifty yards after catch
Speaker 3: all of last season. Zero in seventeen games. They had
Speaker 3: two in those two series with Justin Fields. Is that
Speaker 3: going to continue week after week?
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: But I think especially with Moore, just seeing what having
Speaker 3: a true number one, how that could help and really
Speaker 3: leads lift off for Justin Fields and what's such an
Speaker 3: important third.
Speaker 1: Year for him.
Speaker 8: I mean that Moore is already part of one of
Speaker 8: the greatest plays in NFL history, that catch from PJ Walker.
Speaker 8: It's a fact this morning at the I'm glad this
Speaker 8: randomly came up at the breakfast table. Right, Walker's got
Speaker 8: on an NFL produced YouTube video the Greatest Throws of
Speaker 8: All Time NFL History, produced by who Walker, NFL film
Speaker 8: or Greg It was like it is a Rosenthal his
Speaker 8: NFL films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that PG Walker throw.
Speaker 1: Was on it.
Speaker 2: And how about this how we Moore caught it?
Speaker 1: And how about we kicked the extra point? Yes, all right,
Speaker 1: now we talk about what a great win it was.
Speaker 8: I mean they had like there was probably like one
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty five throws on this thing, but it
Speaker 8: was one of them.
Speaker 3: There this DJ Moore took his helmet off making the
Speaker 3: extra point forty seven yards.
Speaker 2: That was stupid. You should be allowed to take your helm,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: That's that rule comes and goes.
Speaker 7: It's they're very they choose it when they want to.
Speaker 8: They also have a healthy Darnel Mooney, which is nice.
Speaker 8: ID think Herbert's a nice player. I think there was
Speaker 8: a thought that Roshan Johnson comes in the rookie This
Speaker 8: is where you watch the snaps. Herbert gets all the
Speaker 8: snaps with the starters. Rosh On Johnson, who had a
Speaker 8: nice run, is playing pretty deep with the third teamers
Speaker 8: in the in.
Speaker 2: The second half, So just a little fantasy.
Speaker 3: Neck there all right, Uh Mark go ahead, Uh opera flop,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go pop.
Speaker 1: Oh good for you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I was at the Chargers game, and you
Speaker 7: know last year the Chargers struggled.
Speaker 1: Un oh, King of the Castle, King of the Castle.
Speaker 6: That's like fourteen dollars to go. That's fine. Going this
Speaker 6: week with my with with my with my children too.
Speaker 1: Oh, really going a lot.
Speaker 8: It really hit this time. The children were not there Saturday,
Speaker 8: No they weren't.
Speaker 7: No, they couldn't go to that one, but they will
Speaker 7: go to the next one.
Speaker 2: They then the Stetson Bennett fire show. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I didn't stay for the entire thing.
Speaker 3: With a with a diet pepsi and his binoculars and
Speaker 3: his little clipboard. That's exactly notes. That's exactly from the
Speaker 3: Offensive Lion rankings chat.
Speaker 7: But there were some huge plays from the I think
Speaker 7: last year, like they couldn't run the ball six point
Speaker 7: nine yards per carry against I mean a RAMS defensive
Speaker 7: line that is ramshackle problematic. Yeah, two hundred and fourteen
Speaker 7: rushing yards. Elijah Dotson, undrafted out of Northern Colorado, had
Speaker 7: two crazy runs thirty seven and forty yards in the
Speaker 7: second half, they just stuck it to the Rams. Later on,
Speaker 7: I thought Easton Stick looked pretty good as a backup.
Speaker 7: I mean, some of these teams, like the Bill's backup
Speaker 7: situation we can get to at some point is sort
Speaker 7: of a blooming disaster. And like Easton Stick looked as
Speaker 7: good as he's ever looked, and it was really like
Speaker 7: he ran the offense really well at that Quentin Johnston
Speaker 7: is gonna be I think he's gonna drive people nuts
Speaker 7: because he has some he does some stuff. You know,
Speaker 7: his hands just disappear, but then he'll make a crazy
Speaker 7: play and you can see it all. There's this guy
Speaker 7: Darius Davis, who, another rookie, had a TCU eighty.
Speaker 6: One yard punt return for a touchdown.
Speaker 7: So I don't know, these guys seem like they want
Speaker 7: to be a more physical team under Kellen Moore.
Speaker 6: On the ground. In the one game we've seen it,
Speaker 6: it showed.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be a story this year.
Speaker 8: He was the best returner in college football. That one
Speaker 8: return was enough for me because it wasn't really about
Speaker 8: the blocking. It was about the hesitation and the burst
Speaker 8: and the vision, and it reminded me exactly of Cavante
Speaker 8: Turpin of the Cowboys last year, who popped a couple
Speaker 8: in the preseason. You were like, oh wow, is that
Speaker 8: a guy and he ended up being a total game
Speaker 8: changer for the Cowboys, one of the best return men
Speaker 8: in the league. Quintin Johnson's on my radar, not a
Speaker 8: guy I would want to take in fantasy.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be their fourth receiver.
Speaker 8: You couldn't hear this because you were at the game,
Speaker 8: but Dan Fouts doing the coverage was like Johnston's.
Speaker 2: He had a couple of drops early in this game.
Speaker 2: Two drops.
Speaker 8: He was just like he's had a rough training camp
Speaker 8: because of those drops. And it's like, oh wait, that's
Speaker 8: the first negative thing I've heard any announcers say about
Speaker 8: anyone on the team that they're covering, you know, this
Speaker 8: entire weekend because they're all working for the team, and
Speaker 8: you never heard it. And it's like, I'm going to
Speaker 8: file that away. He's probably wide receiver four there behind Palmer.
Speaker 3: If the guy's saying that for and he's getting paid
Speaker 3: by the team these guys for the preseason coverage, the
Speaker 3: guy has to look pretty bad. Although he is explosive,
Speaker 3: you could see he's getting open and he had a
Speaker 3: great touchdown.
Speaker 2: He could be a red zone guy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, Greg, you have you have so
Speaker 3: many you have three takes too many, so you got
Speaker 3: to throw out another one.
Speaker 2: When I go, it's.
Speaker 8: What's like, what's the most surprising, Well, we should hit
Speaker 8: the quarterback stuff. Let's go uh, let's go Baker playing
Speaker 8: I just because I think it's newsworthy. Baker played well composed,
Speaker 8: and Kyle Trask wasn't a disaster, but wasn't good. So
Speaker 8: it was a clear and decisive Baker victory in preseason
Speaker 8: game one. And then yeah, because I'm writing that article,
Speaker 8: I checked out a little Pewter Report action box cuts
Speaker 8: that they noticed that they noticed that Baker had like
Speaker 8: his best practice day of the year on Sunday and
Speaker 8: threw a bunch of touchdowns and Trask had a bad day.
Speaker 2: So it feels like they're separation creating.
Speaker 8: No big surprise there, but just just so you know,
Speaker 8: it looks like Baker is going to be the guy.
Speaker 8: Trask will get to start preseason Week two, but I
Speaker 8: think that's it's gonna be his last time in the competition.
Speaker 3: All right, I gave you a chance, Greg and so
Speaker 3: now I'll bring it up. I thought the Saints look
Speaker 3: good and limited time at Derek Carr in the field.
Speaker 3: It's like the Joker movie The Todd Phillips won. So
Speaker 3: many things, so many Batman related things, jetson and blots
Speaker 3: him that you gotta differentiate the Todd Phillips film The Joker, right.
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr is good. I'm tired of pretending
Speaker 1: he's not.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to do well in that offense
Speaker 3: playing in the Dome and Gregi Alvin Kamara did.
Speaker 1: Look very feisty and frisky in his limited play as well.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate that he's not going to be around for
Speaker 3: the start of the season. That's his own doing with
Speaker 3: his suspension. And it's also unfortunate that Kendrey Miller, their rookie,
Speaker 3: injured his knee in the game. I don't know how
Speaker 3: serious it is, but we were told it's a sprain
Speaker 3: that could go in two very different directions. It's from
Speaker 3: Dennis Allend, so they don't have the they have depth
Speaker 3: depth depth issues there. Of course, hight sign someone, so
Speaker 3: somebody's coming into that building regardless. It sounds like but Carr,
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas. I like the vibes there if he can
Speaker 3: stay on the field, And yes, Kamara looked very good.
Speaker 3: He should be ready to roll in late September.
Speaker 8: John Johnson delivering on that Fantasy have Chris o'lave they've
Speaker 8: said has been the MVP at camp there and then
Speaker 8: it just sort of caught me by surprise when like
Speaker 8: Jimmy Graham caught a catch.
Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Graham is on.
Speaker 1: This team, He's not gonna is he gonna make the team?
Speaker 8: I asked our friend Adam over at the Saints podcast
Speaker 8: and it was called the Saints Twitter Podcast.
Speaker 2: Now I forget what it's called. They changed the name
Speaker 2: bad job by me?
Speaker 1: What? Because Twitter isn't it a thing?
Speaker 8: I guess I don't know, just like a rebrand X
Speaker 8: pot is kind of kind of cool. I don't think
Speaker 8: it was related. I think they had changed it before
Speaker 8: that happened. But he thinks Jimmy Graham's making the team, so.
Speaker 7: Well, why go through the motion of of like bringing
Speaker 7: them back just to have him there for three weeks?
Speaker 2: Fantasy's Can't Play Sanes block party podcast?
Speaker 1: There we go, oh, okay, but what did you say?
Speaker 8: He thinks Jimmy Graham picking the team Michael Thomas, Jimmy Graham,
Speaker 8: it is weird. I like their their first round pick
Speaker 8: look pretty good for see.
Speaker 1: Very good. Uh we got Ross in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: So anything else I have.
Speaker 7: I have one that I feel is somewhere in between
Speaker 7: pop and flop because it's a rookie quarterback. I want
Speaker 7: to talk about him, but like Anthony Richardson, I don't
Speaker 7: think he flopped or popped.
Speaker 6: I mean, I just think it's like a PLoP.
Speaker 7: Sure it's that yeah, I mean I don't want to
Speaker 7: overly critique him. I like I watching him, it's like
Speaker 7: you can see it. I don't know if he needs
Speaker 7: to really start the season necessarily bar what I saw
Speaker 7: put him underground.
Speaker 3: I thought he looked good. Well, it was fine, kind
Speaker 3: of what you expect. There was a lot of terrible interception,
Speaker 3: which is fine. I let off anything though, like I
Speaker 3: thought it was.
Speaker 7: Is he going to try to like run off run
Speaker 7: out of the pocket on every play, like kind of
Speaker 7: stood in there and threw the ball, had that bad turnover.
Speaker 7: He just the way he throws the ball like he's
Speaker 7: got some sidearm action. But like I think his mechanics
Speaker 7: are just a little string.
Speaker 2: They're wacky.
Speaker 8: He has a quick release, and I think he got
Speaker 8: rid of the ball quickly mostly and made good decision.
Speaker 8: You're right, there were like two throws that were just
Speaker 8: way off, and that's just apparently part of the package.
Speaker 8: Reminds you a little rookie Josh Allen. But then he
Speaker 8: also ran over who was that, Tron Johnson? I think
Speaker 8: of the Bills. He just like steamrolled him like it
Speaker 8: was like a two hundred and fifty pounds full back
Speaker 8: over a little child, and you're just like, oh man,
Speaker 8: that's a quarterback.
Speaker 2: And then he made a couple of really nice throws and.
Speaker 8: They like really went out of their way after the
Speaker 8: game to point out Isaiah McKenzie made a mistake on
Speaker 8: that interception that he didn't read the blitz right, he
Speaker 8: didn't run the right route. But Richardson made a big
Speaker 8: mistake too. Is like if your receiver messes up and
Speaker 8: you could see him almost panic in real time and
Speaker 8: then just force it. You got to just throw it
Speaker 8: away or run to the sideline and eat it. But
Speaker 8: Reggie Wayne, our former colleague, was sure apparently very upset
Speaker 8: with Isaiah Mackenzie, who like literally apologized publicly about that interception.
Speaker 2: I thought he showed it enough that he's going to
Speaker 2: be the weak one start.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's like, of course he will be.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 7: It's just like he could have had a touchdown that
Speaker 7: Alec Pierce. He threw a nice bar. Yeah, that was
Speaker 7: the time Alec Alec Pearce dropped it and was upset
Speaker 7: at himself. I thought on that run where he bowled
Speaker 7: the guy over, it wasn't like lowering the shoulder and
Speaker 7: getting like low, like he just basically stood up and
Speaker 7: ran through him. And it reminds you he's like as
Speaker 7: fast as people, but like fifty pounds heavier, made of muscle.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a young Cam I mean in
Speaker 2: terms of size and speed.
Speaker 3: He jumps as a run like everyone would say in
Speaker 3: the Young Out Jem and just jumps off the screen.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 8: I want to give a little pop too, just because
Speaker 8: it's Newsworthy. It's not preseason, really, Joe Burrow out on
Speaker 8: the field not only practicing aggressively.
Speaker 1: Kind of stretching pop. But yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 8: Well he like went through this whole work out and
Speaker 8: he did it in front of the camera, So to me,
Speaker 8: that was his oh your.
Speaker 3: Takes good behind the glass hit pop on that maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know if we need said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, listen, he's got a point shout out.
Speaker 8: I think that was him telling the greater Cincinnati area
Speaker 8: I'm good, relaxed, So I think we'll see him back
Speaker 8: there soon and they I wouldn't be too relaxed watching,
Speaker 8: you know, Trevor Simeon and Jake Brown and stinking up.
Speaker 8: You got to get a backup quarterback Cincinnati. It's not
Speaker 8: messing around.
Speaker 7: Did you see the Trevor Lawrence touchdown where he evaded
Speaker 7: up like eighteen people people were coming up to him.
Speaker 2: Ur you mean Nathan Rourke, Well he had a night.
Speaker 3: We should be so blessed to have Trevor Lawrence making
Speaker 3: that play. It was I mean, back up the Nathan
Speaker 3: Rourke Jaguars.
Speaker 1: I thought it was too. He has a similar bill,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: I I just saw it on like a on a
Speaker 7: Twitter replan. It was like, that's Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 8: Holy Lawrence had a nice touchdown too, But uh, Rourke,
Speaker 8: seeing I was not familiar with this man, did some
Speaker 8: research CFL product was like in the MVP mix in
Speaker 8: the CFL this year before and he very that play
Speaker 8: in Bill Barnell, who's going to be on our show
Speaker 8: later this week doing some over unders with us. He said,
Speaker 8: doesn't matter preseason or not. That's play that has a
Speaker 8: chance to be the best play made by an NFL
Speaker 8: player this year.
Speaker 2: That's one of the best players to get out I've
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 1: Boll whoa mister.
Speaker 3: He threw off three was incredible, three guys, and it
Speaker 3: was a great play.
Speaker 2: As his knee is half an inch off the ground.
Speaker 8: Throws a dime for a game when he touched down
Speaker 8: with thirty seconds left.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't I doesn't a game, but yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just watched the NFL's greatest throws ever. I
Speaker 8: mean it would fit. It would fit that.
Speaker 3: I would have ruled him in the grasp and I
Speaker 3: would have ruled him down and I would have waived
Speaker 3: the play.
Speaker 1: That's not fun personally, It was a great it was
Speaker 1: a great effort.
Speaker 3: And Mark is You're known to always say we are
Speaker 3: nothing without our fans. I mean, I can't have one
Speaker 3: conversation with Mark without him saying we're nothing without our fans.
Speaker 1: And with that subtler.
Speaker 7: Are you trying to suggest that I, in reality could
Speaker 7: care less about our fans? No, I mean I'm saying
Speaker 7: very much, am thankful.
Speaker 1: Let's check in.
Speaker 3: Via x slash whatever. Uh and uh look at this,
Speaker 3: Look at this. Reagan Cheps checks in out here at
Speaker 3: the hot ass Bank of America Stadium watching aa Ron
Speaker 3: and his Jets. Can't help but think Dan Hanss and
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal around the NFL. You can't see my boys
Speaker 3: Patriot cat, but he is a diehard Og Brady fan.
Speaker 3: He was born in Connecticut. After all, we love football
Speaker 3: in the atn pod. Now, that is nice to see
Speaker 3: from the fans.
Speaker 6: It's really nice.
Speaker 1: Wait, what's up? Face it.
Speaker 6: It's a nice message.
Speaker 2: She can't help but think of Dan, Greg, all the guys.
Speaker 1: Oh there was a follow up. There was a follow up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mark too there.
Speaker 6: Oh I got my own tweet.
Speaker 2: You gotta follow up after someone.
Speaker 6: Well it's a total afterthought. But yeah, I know it's
Speaker 6: I think, I know.
Speaker 2: I don't think she was attempting.
Speaker 8: No, no, it was well, I think she just it
Speaker 8: was Jets to you know, to try to walk to
Speaker 8: try to save her Jets. Dan and then her son
Speaker 8: Patriots hat. So there was like a connection.
Speaker 7: So I was organic, just organically left out. That's that
Speaker 7: that does. That's no problem at all.
Speaker 3: It's reading. If you're listening, just now, this will live inside.
Speaker 3: I'll be.
Speaker 2: This week.
Speaker 3: All right, let's move right along. I think we have
Speaker 3: a guest we do hit the music.
Speaker 1: Joining us now is a former.
Speaker 3: NFL offensive one played seven years Cowboys, Bills, Patriots, Washington.
Speaker 1: I went to Princeton.
Speaker 3: Hello, and now he does color for CBS Sports and
Speaker 3: with one he's got his own podcast, I mean Ross Tucker,
Speaker 3: my goodness, got his own podcast, the Ross Tucker Football Podcast,
Speaker 3: and now he joins us to talk about his latest
Speaker 3: rankings over on the thirty third team Cross.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Around the NFL.
Speaker 10: What's up, fellas.
Speaker 11: Love love the music, love the intro, and nice to
Speaker 11: see all you guys.
Speaker 10: Happy football season.
Speaker 1: Happy football.
Speaker 8: You mentioned there that you know we're gonna be hearing
Speaker 8: Ross on Sundays now in NFL games.
Speaker 3: Oh hell ya, that's a first. I'm look congrats on
Speaker 3: that that gig. We are very serious about studying those teams.
Speaker 3: And to have you crack in the rotation, that's something
Speaker 3: to look for.
Speaker 8: It and the crosshairs here, we're sometimes critical. We do ranking,
Speaker 8: so now you're you're part of it too.
Speaker 11: You know what, I am totally fine with that. That's
Speaker 11: very fair.
Speaker 10: I listen. I do rankings on Mondays on the.
Speaker 11: Ross Tucker Football podcast for the press box food for
Speaker 11: the different stadiums I'm in, and I always say like,
Speaker 11: I am very grateful for the free food. I am
Speaker 11: not complaining. I'm just evaluating, right, I'm just reporting.
Speaker 10: It's my job.
Speaker 11: So as long as you guys are are tough but fair,
Speaker 11: I'm fine with that. I will say this, really excited
Speaker 11: to be in the booth. Three man booth. Chris Lewis
Speaker 11: will do play by flying, and the other analyst is
Speaker 11: Jason mccordy, which I think is awesome because number one,
Speaker 11: he just retired. Number two, I've known him since I
Speaker 11: think he was a senior in college.
Speaker 10: I've known him for a while.
Speaker 1: And then I.
Speaker 11: Also have always kind of thought, guys that the ideal
Speaker 11: booth is a guy like Jason who played corner or
Speaker 11: receiver and is really an expert in coverages, coverage techniques,
Speaker 11: route combinations, all that stuff, with a guy like me
Speaker 11: that is really an expert in the front seven stuff,
Speaker 11: O line, D line because it's really you're not going
Speaker 11: to really find and like an offensive line or defensive
Speaker 11: lineman that really is an expert when it comes to
Speaker 11: wide receiver dB stuff. So I kind of feel like,
Speaker 11: hopefully we'll have the best of both worlds.
Speaker 7: Do you feel like when in a three man boot
Speaker 7: you gotta kind of, you know, elbow them out to
Speaker 7: get your comment in there? Sometimes there's one an extra
Speaker 7: human being in there.
Speaker 11: You know. It's funny because I've done it several times now,
Speaker 11: and it is different for sure, because when you're the
Speaker 11: only analyst, there is no question who's talking.
Speaker 2: It's right. And also play play man might not even
Speaker 2: get in there.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 11: But the other thing is greg is you know people
Speaker 11: realize and I said this to Jason already, the big
Speaker 11: difference between radio and television, right is Radio, which I love,
Speaker 11: I can just say whatever I want at the end
Speaker 11: of every play. Me, TV you gotta you gotta be
Speaker 11: talking about what's on the screen. So what that means
Speaker 11: is a lot of times, you know, as the play
Speaker 11: is happening. I don't know if anybody's ever described this
Speaker 11: to you guys, but as the play is happening, and
Speaker 11: the play by play guy's calling it, I am hitting
Speaker 11: the button, telling the producer and director you know, fifty
Speaker 11: three blue Telly, fifty three blue Telly because the linebacker
Speaker 11: came flying through and blew up the play. It made
Speaker 11: an awesome play. Or maybe they're telling me, you know,
Speaker 11: wide receiver corner ISO, And so you gotta look at
Speaker 11: the monitor a lot because it does you no good
Speaker 11: if you're looking at the field talking about the pass
Speaker 11: rush and they're showing the wide receiver and the corner's
Speaker 11: coverage on him.
Speaker 10: So there's just a lot more communication on TV, a
Speaker 10: lot more in your ear. So I bring that.
Speaker 11: Up to tell you guys, still different when it's a
Speaker 11: three man booths for TV like that, because you know what,
Speaker 11: if Jason wants to.
Speaker 10: Talk about one thing, I want to talk about another thing.
Speaker 11: But the way it works out is there's certain camera angles,
Speaker 11: right like the ALL twenty two, that's gonna be Jason.
Speaker 11: If we're showing the ALL twenty two, it's because it's
Speaker 11: a coverage. If we're showing a wide receiver ISO, that's
Speaker 11: gonna be Jason. If we're showing the high end zone,
Speaker 11: which is the old line that's gonna be me. So
Speaker 11: there's just things that you work through, you talk through.
Speaker 11: But there's just a lot more involved with TV stuff
Speaker 11: than the radio, I know, and.
Speaker 3: That's sometimes and we're guilty of this as well. And
Speaker 3: you think about infamous booths like you know, Witton's run
Speaker 3: there and Bugger and and Greg. You've had it out
Speaker 3: with some people in the past, uh, and you know,
Speaker 3: guy flubs one thing or you know some type of uh,
Speaker 3: you know, error like that, and we're all killing him.
Speaker 1: But you don't really realize what's going on and how
Speaker 1: much work it is. I have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for the the that job and what you're doing. Ross.
Speaker 1: Good luck to you. Transition.
Speaker 10: I'll give you guys. I'll give you guys.
Speaker 1: One quick story, right full transition back to Tucker.
Speaker 10: What one quick story? Saturday night?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I did the Ravens Eagles preseason game.
Speaker 10: I do the presing games for the.
Speaker 11: Eagles, and uh, the quarterback for the raven I can't
Speaker 11: remember if it was Josh Johnson, who I didn't even
Speaker 11: know was on the Ravens again, or Tyler Huntley who
Speaker 11: I saw your tweet Greg about him playing in the
Speaker 11: second half, which is beyond interesting to me. But one
Speaker 11: of them, you know, rolled out to the right through
Speaker 11: the ball and just kind of had to throw the
Speaker 11: ball away right. Well, the producer says, or maybe I said,
Speaker 11: I don't know, but let's show the coverage.
Speaker 10: Because there's nowhere to go with the ball, and then
Speaker 10: we go. So I showed the coverage, nowhere to go
Speaker 10: with the ball.
Speaker 11: I looked down at my phone during the commercial break,
Speaker 11: and somebody was like, the reason why he rolled to
Speaker 11: the right was there was.
Speaker 10: Great pressure from Kentavious Street. You didn't even mention. All
Speaker 10: you talked about was the coverage. Be better?
Speaker 1: Who sent that?
Speaker 10: It wasn't but somebody.
Speaker 2: I mean, because.
Speaker 11: If the producer says, we're going to show the coverage replay, yeah,
Speaker 11: but I'm talking about the average replay. I'm not talking about,
Speaker 11: you know, chasing the quarterback guys on the side, like
Speaker 11: I don't know if that was Contavious his agent or
Speaker 11: like his uncle, but it's just hilarious to me, like
Speaker 11: be better. They don't realize that we don't really always
Speaker 11: have a saying.
Speaker 1: I hate it. Be better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, By the way, if we could declare a more moratorium,
Speaker 3: better better, let's sucks.
Speaker 2: Be better never never do be better.
Speaker 1: It's so condescending and snide, and it's just like, let's lose.
Speaker 6: It, get fired into the snud.
Speaker 1: Be better, be better.
Speaker 2: Be better.
Speaker 8: Tyler Hunting, by the way, might not make that team
Speaker 8: because just the way John harvests talking, I just feel
Speaker 8: like they've been trying to replace him all off season.
Speaker 8: They played Josh Johnson ahead of him, But then again,
Speaker 8: he kept that twenty four game winning streak by hero
Speaker 8: by playing quarter.
Speaker 1: Of one hundred games straight.
Speaker 3: All right, talk, oh lines, Yes, let's do it, so
Speaker 3: h Ross great stuff. Over on the thirty third team
Speaker 3: dot com. You break down your offensive line rankings into
Speaker 3: five tiers elite, above average, average, below average, and poor.
Speaker 3: You could see where Ross has your team and get
Speaker 3: mad at him. Accordingly, Elite tier Eagles, Lions, and the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns. And that kind of connects with the point
Speaker 3: I was making earlier in the show Ross about how
Speaker 3: the brown just seemed to have a lot of things
Speaker 3: lined up. Well, we know about the Eagles and Lions
Speaker 3: and what they were able to put together last year.
Speaker 3: Brown surprised me to be this high in this exercise.
Speaker 11: And you know what's funny too, just looking at this.
Speaker 11: And we'll talk about the elite obviously, and I know
Speaker 11: we'll get to the ones below. If you think about it, guys,
Speaker 11: you really just if you have poor you have no shot,
Speaker 11: and if you're below average, you probably don't have much
Speaker 11: of a chance. Whereas it's great to be elite for
Speaker 11: sure or above average, but even if you have an
Speaker 11: average O line you probably can get stuff done. You
Speaker 11: really just can't be below average and poor. But we
Speaker 11: have seen the resurgence in Philadelphia last year Detroit, I
Speaker 11: think you could argue that they were both almost led
Speaker 11: by their offensive lines, right, I mean, both quarterbacks played probably.
Speaker 10: Much better than anybody thought they would.
Speaker 11: I mean, nobody thought Hurts would be second in the
Speaker 11: MVP voting. And then Golf I thought that was maybe
Speaker 11: the best year he's ever had, maybe at least other
Speaker 11: than the one year in LA And I think they
Speaker 11: were led by the offensive lines. And so, you know,
Speaker 11: when I look at this list of the elite teams,
Speaker 11: my thing is, if Deshaun Watson can't play at a
Speaker 11: high level in Cleveland this year, then that's kind of
Speaker 11: a Deshaun Watson thing. I mean, you know, I'm still fascinated,
Speaker 11: by the way, by the fact that that guy was
Speaker 11: considered a top five quarterback the last full year he
Speaker 11: played in twenty twenty, when.
Speaker 10: The Texans went four and twelve.
Speaker 11: I mean, is that the worst record any team has
Speaker 11: ever had when their quarterback had unanimous unquote.
Speaker 10: Top five play.
Speaker 11: I mean, I would have thought it's impossible to have
Speaker 11: a quarterback, you know, be top five in the NFL
Speaker 11: and everybody agreed with it and the team goes four
Speaker 11: and twelve.
Speaker 10: How do you even do that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now I'm going to I want to
Speaker 2: go look where we had it.
Speaker 7: I mean maybe maybe you know Archie Manning or something
Speaker 7: like that. Yeah, right, it's pretty rare. I I want
Speaker 7: to ask you about the Eagles real quick.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: They have Cam Jurgens, who's gonna move to right guard there,
Speaker 7: and he's and you mentioned in your piece that he's
Speaker 7: essentially just been a center. But you you must have
Speaker 7: immense faith in the development the coaching in Philadelphia. Obviously,
Speaker 7: they pour so many resources into both lines, and it
Speaker 7: is the heart and soul of that team.
Speaker 6: But to go from center to play guard, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it you played?
Speaker 7: It is the position switch kind of like no problem
Speaker 7: for some guys, or is it like a wait and
Speaker 7: see how this works?
Speaker 11: So, uh, it is much different playing guard than center,
Speaker 11: and people don't realize that.
Speaker 10: The easiest way.
Speaker 11: To describe it is when you're center, there's no real
Speaker 11: neutral zone. The nose tackles right there and so you
Speaker 11: kind of just snap the ball and like grab them
Speaker 11: with the other hand and you're very rarely isolated one
Speaker 11: on one. In pass protection, you know, you usually have
Speaker 11: one of the guards helping you, at least initially. Whereas guard,
Speaker 11: there's space, a little bit of time, and a lot
Speaker 11: of times you're one on one against an Aaron Donald.
Speaker 10: Or whoever, and they basically have a two way go.
Speaker 11: So the pass protector, the way I always describe it
Speaker 11: is like I could have started a whole year at
Speaker 11: center and been fine.
Speaker 10: I could have even the way we slid left so much.
Speaker 11: I could have started a whole year at left guard
Speaker 11: been okay, And it's changed a little bit. But right guard,
Speaker 11: with the amount of one on ones they get, that's
Speaker 11: when I got exposed. Like I couldn't hold up against
Speaker 11: really good interior rushers over a long period of time,
Speaker 11: and so I was worried about Cam Jurgens, really worrying.
Speaker 11: I mean, this is a guy that played tight end
Speaker 11: his first two or three years at Nebraska. They just
Speaker 11: moved the center and he was unbelievable last year in
Speaker 11: the preseason for the Eagles as a center. Now, I
Speaker 11: didn't watch him take any reps at garden practice. I
Speaker 11: don't even know how many did last year. But I've
Speaker 11: been a training camp a couple of times because I
Speaker 11: had Mark to your point, I had major concerns about that.
Speaker 11: Saamlo's good. Saamlo gets overshadowed because he's in between probably
Speaker 11: two Hall of famers in Kelsey and Lane Johnson.
Speaker 10: But Saamalo was good.
Speaker 11: But I've been to enough practices now Cam Jurgens is good.
Speaker 11: Like to answer your question, Mark, He's one of those
Speaker 11: guys that it just it just worked for him right away.
Speaker 11: Some guy I've seen multiple teams I've been on where
Speaker 11: they will like try to move a tackle to guard
Speaker 11: and have him be the starter right guard, and it
Speaker 11: was a disaster two thousand and two Washington, two thousand
Speaker 11: and seven Washington, whereas Jurgons man, I don't know how
Speaker 11: the OTAs went, but watching him in training camp, watching
Speaker 11: him in one on ones and going against Fletcher Cox.
Speaker 11: He's not going to be a problem at all. In fact,
Speaker 11: he's going to be really really good.
Speaker 10: That was just a good pick along, like.
Speaker 3: The just in terms of trench talk from somebody who's
Speaker 3: done it, because you're hearing about it. You in the
Speaker 3: below average cheeria you're starting, you start with the Jets
Speaker 3: of twenty four and this is less about the Jets
Speaker 3: and more just about what you're hearing about Kai Beckton,
Speaker 3: about how drafted as a left tackle, they're trying to
Speaker 3: make it work at right tackle. And you hear these
Speaker 3: guys that get flipped on each side of the line
Speaker 3: say it's like learning a new position and having to
Speaker 3: do everything backwards. Is that like one of those things
Speaker 3: where you know, like patting your head and rubbing your belly.
Speaker 3: Some people can do it, some people can't. And how
Speaker 3: difficult is that a task to be to flip from
Speaker 3: one side to the other and expect to pick it
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the summer with games that
Speaker 3: count right around the corner.
Speaker 11: So have you got any of you guys ever like
Speaker 11: broken your throwing hand or you're writing hand or wrist
Speaker 11: or anything like that because that's the way I always
Speaker 11: describe it to people. It's like I broke my I
Speaker 11: actually had a bad that's a long story, but I
Speaker 11: had a snowblower incident when I was in ninth grade, okay,
Speaker 11: with my right hand, so I couldn't use my right
Speaker 11: hand for a while as that as I was healing,
Speaker 11: So I just started, you know, playing basketball and stuff
Speaker 11: with my left hand, and I got pretty good at it,
Speaker 11: but it was never quite as good as my right hand,
Speaker 11: and it took.
Speaker 10: Me a while.
Speaker 11: That's kind of it's similar to that right like it's
Speaker 11: you're still just dribbling a ball or you're still just writing,
Speaker 11: but it's not hand that you've used over and over again.
Speaker 11: So it's a different stance and a different weight transfer.
Speaker 11: So picture like three hours a day, every day you're
Speaker 11: in this exact same stance, and every step you take
Speaker 11: is pushing off your left foot and left leg because
Speaker 11: you're in a right handed stance. And then all of
Speaker 11: a sudden they have you switch and go to left
Speaker 11: And for three years you were in this one stance.
Speaker 11: Think about the hours you put in and now they
Speaker 11: put you and you have to put Now you're pushing
Speaker 11: off your right now you're using your your right hand,
Speaker 11: your inside hand. Some guys it happens faster than others.
Speaker 11: You absolutely can do it. And if you're a guy
Speaker 11: like I was, your job is to be able to
Speaker 11: do it either side at a moment's notice. That's what
Speaker 11: you practice. You practice actually both. But it's the guys
Speaker 11: like Becton that have only ever done one that when
Speaker 11: they have to switch to the other, it's it's like
Speaker 11: they're writing with their opposite hand. And you can probably
Speaker 11: get it done to the point where people can read
Speaker 11: what you're writing, but it's not going to be like
Speaker 11: a handwriting masterpiece, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: If you flipped me in Cecila right now, I would
Speaker 3: have a panic at just you're sitting yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 7: Well no, but we've been sitting in the same place
Speaker 7: for like nine or ten years. To your point, Ross Leaky.
Speaker 2: You can't play. You can't play left host.
Speaker 8: I want to get to the teams at the bottom
Speaker 8: of the list at some point, but I do want
Speaker 8: to ask you about two in the at the bottom
Speaker 8: of the top ten Chargers Packers. Two teams I'm kind
Speaker 8: of mentally circling that could exceed expectations Chargers. I might
Speaker 8: be doing this for about the fifteenth three years. I mean,
Speaker 8: these two offensive lines to me have a very high ceiling.
Speaker 8: I keep looking at the Chargers offensive line. I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 8: why couldn't this be the best offensive line in the
Speaker 8: league or close to it. Rayshawn Slater's back at left tackle.
Speaker 8: People might remember Zion Johnson. They drafted him the first
Speaker 8: round last year. They're moving him back to his natural
Speaker 8: position at left tackle. They really found something in Jamari Sailor,
Speaker 8: and you pointed out Ross. Maybe it's not easy for
Speaker 8: him to go from left tackle to right guard, but
Speaker 8: he's now going to be in their starting line about
Speaker 8: right guard. They have a great center in Lindsley. Those
Speaker 8: are four really good players. And the Packers are kind
Speaker 8: of similar to me too. If Bactieri's healthy. Of Bacdiari Jenkins,
Speaker 8: they have a second year player Zach tom which looks great.
Speaker 8: Like am I wrong to think that this Chargers offensive line,
Speaker 8: especially new offensive coordinator but the same line coach like,
Speaker 8: could be really dynamic And it's such a change from
Speaker 8: what it's been two three, four years ago in Los Angeles,
Speaker 8: not at all.
Speaker 11: I think they had a really good chance to be
Speaker 11: a top five to zero line if Sawyer can play
Speaker 11: it right guard the way I think he will after
Speaker 11: the way he played at left tackle last year in
Speaker 11: a weird way. Greg, It's almost like a blessing in
Speaker 11: disguise for this season that Slater was hurt last season
Speaker 11: because it allowed them to discover that Sawyer is a
Speaker 11: good player and even right tackle, which had just been
Speaker 11: such a disaster for them for multiple years.
Speaker 10: I think Pipkins is solid.
Speaker 11: I think Pipkins is fine, so they have a real
Speaker 11: chance to be a top five zero line. I think
Speaker 11: the question mark is moving a couple guys around. Yeah,
Speaker 11: you don't see that at other places necessarily, And how
Speaker 11: Pipkins and Sawyer play next to each other is the
Speaker 11: only thing really preventing them, because I think the I
Speaker 11: think the left side and Lindsey will be awesome. And
Speaker 11: then for the Packers, it's really just about Tiari hell thing,
Speaker 11: you know. I mean, I can't remember the last time
Speaker 11: a guy they're telling us he's fine now.
Speaker 10: It felt like two seasons in a row, maybe longer
Speaker 10: than that. He kept going in and out of the
Speaker 10: lineup and having his knee drained.
Speaker 11: I've really thought he was done. To be honestly, I
Speaker 11: thought this isn't gonna happen for him. I'm really happy
Speaker 11: for him. It sounds like they think he'll be able
Speaker 11: to play the whole year, which is kind of remarkable
Speaker 11: because I think he got hurt three seasons ago and
Speaker 11: this will be the first time where they really think
Speaker 11: he's all the way back. I'm sure they're managing it,
Speaker 11: but I kind of thought last year when he was
Speaker 11: in and out that he was just gonna be done.
Speaker 3: Isn't he kind of like the offense line version of
Speaker 3: Michael Thomas, Like, you want this guy he could be
Speaker 3: a difference maker and a star, and then you pencil
Speaker 3: him in in August. Then you just cross your fingers
Speaker 3: at this point. But he has that level of upside.
Speaker 8: I'll pro five five straight years first or second team.
Speaker 8: You're right, Yeah, he feels like about as big of
Speaker 8: like a X factor for any team.
Speaker 10: Especially especially with a young quarterback.
Speaker 11: Because also then if he can't play, they got to
Speaker 11: move a bunch of guys around.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 11: I don't know if they'll put Elton Jenkins out there,
Speaker 11: who I think is a really good player. I can't
Speaker 11: believe DJ readers that he never heard of him. Elton
Speaker 11: Jenkins is awesome. That just goes to show you most
Speaker 11: of the time, these guys don't care. They don't pay
Speaker 11: attention to offensive lineman from team they don't play against.
Speaker 11: So that Alton Jenkins is really good, Like he's a
Speaker 11: really good player. So uh yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 11: I mean, if Bactiari stays healthy, their top ten. If
Speaker 11: he's not, you know, then they're then they're very average
Speaker 11: at best.
Speaker 7: So the Titans interesting case study because I think if
Speaker 7: you were a super a casual fan, you probably still think,
Speaker 7: because that's been their identity, that they still have this
Speaker 7: strong offensive line. They're a disaster. They're number thirty two
Speaker 7: on your list. That's a free fall from where they
Speaker 7: were seven hundred days ago. What is the team that
Speaker 7: in this offseason did the most to improve their their ranking?
Speaker 6: Who did the most?
Speaker 11: So to your point, first Mark, it's funny. My first
Speaker 11: game for CBS Week one will be the Titans at
Speaker 11: the Saints. So really looking forward to being in Greg
Speaker 11: Rosenthal City in New Orleans. They have any good food
Speaker 11: down there? I like food. If you guys didn't know, I.
Speaker 2: Think, but it's on you if you don't find it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, really so, But Mark, it's so the Titans are
Speaker 11: like the best example maybe I've ever seen of how
Speaker 11: fast the NFL can come at you. It was it
Speaker 11: feels like it was two years ago that they may
Speaker 11: have had the best O line in the league. And
Speaker 11: it was like Taylor Lewan, Roger Saffold, Benji, Nate Davis,
Speaker 11: Jack Kontlin. Maybe that was three years ago. But now
Speaker 11: it's like they're all gone. Not one of those guys
Speaker 11: is there anymore. Like that's how fast it can change.
Speaker 11: They need Dillard to play, to play well at left tackle.
Speaker 11: That way they can keep Skronski get guard, and if
Speaker 11: they do that, I think they'll be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 11: It's funny, I guess to answer your question, I would
Speaker 11: say Denver. The two that jump out to me are
Speaker 11: probably Denver and Denver, Pittsburgh and Chicago.
Speaker 10: That's three, by the way. But Denver bringing in McGlinchey
Speaker 10: in powers although that that makes to be seen.
Speaker 11: You know, like just because a team pays to bring
Speaker 11: in two established starters from other teams doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 11: those guys are always.
Speaker 10: Gonna play quite as well.
Speaker 11: In their new city or with new teammates. But certainly
Speaker 11: Denver went up in my rankings because of adding those
Speaker 11: two guys, and then Pittsburgh and Chicago I mentioned earlier
Speaker 11: in the show. I think Saamlo is a really good player,
Speaker 11: and so for Pittsburgh to get kind of his veteran
Speaker 11: presence and to have him next to if Broderick Jones
Speaker 11: ends up starting at some point at left tackle, the
Speaker 11: rookie first rounder, I think it's invaluable to have saam
Speaker 11: Olo nextra Kelsey. Jason Kelsey for Philadelphia said that Saamlo
Speaker 11: is the smartest player ever played with. Wow, so that
Speaker 11: really helps a rookie like Broderick Jones to say Amlo
Speaker 11: can essentially just make sure he knows who to block
Speaker 11: every play. That's a big step in the right direction.
Speaker 11: And then you know, the Bears are kind of the
Speaker 11: opposite of the Titans.
Speaker 10: Last year.
Speaker 11: The only reason why I didn't have the Bears ranked
Speaker 11: thirty thirty is because there's only thirty two teams. I mean,
Speaker 11: last year, I thought the Bears old line would be
Speaker 11: a disaster. But what happened is it turns out that
Speaker 11: Tevin Jenkins, of all people who had been a bust
Speaker 11: for two years ago at tackle, is a good guard.
Speaker 11: And they had a rookie fifth round pick from Southern
Speaker 11: tah named Braxton Jones, who I think is a starting
Speaker 11: left tackle in.
Speaker 10: The league and pretty good.
Speaker 11: And then they added Nate Davis and free agency to
Speaker 11: play right guard. And they've got Darnell Wright, who I
Speaker 11: loved out of college to play right tackle from Tennessee,
Speaker 11: and that enables them to have white Hair at center,
Speaker 11: which is definitely his best spot. And now all of
Speaker 11: a sudden, the Bears go from me thinking that they
Speaker 11: were poor last year to average this year, which makes
Speaker 11: a really really big difference for fields and the offensive skill.
Speaker 3: Guys in Chicago, very good, Ross Tucker, you've said it all.
Speaker 3: Good man, Good luck in the booth. We will be listen.
Speaker 3: Are we going to be fair, yes, but are we
Speaker 3: going to be rooting for you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Absolutely when it comes to time to really measuring what's
Speaker 3: going on in that booth. And let's tease it this
Speaker 3: way and again check out Ross the Ross Tucker Football
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Speaker 3: Snowblower Incident.
Speaker 1: That's how we lead.
Speaker 11: Ooh yeah, that's a bad story, but I'm happy to
Speaker 11: I'm happy to tell it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the mystery of it might be better, but we'll
Speaker 8: just tease at that may.
Speaker 3: People will always tease every Ross appearance going forward with
Speaker 3: the snowblower exhibit.
Speaker 1: Never actually hit it. That's the plan. Ross, Thanks Bud,
Speaker 1: Thanks Ross, Thank you, Hey, then you guys.
Speaker 10: For having me. Great scene. You guys, keep up the
Speaker 10: great work.
Speaker 1: Thanks Pal. Thanks there he goes.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: Just so everybody knows, Ross's countdown one through ten is Eagles, Lions, Browns, Chiefs, Ravens, Cowboys, Falcons, Falcons.
Speaker 2: Some of the team started.
Speaker 1: Vikings, Chargers, Packers.
Speaker 8: Some of the team stories a bottom are more like, yeah,
Speaker 8: we expect the Seas to be good. He had him
Speaker 8: twenty sixth. The Jaguars fans, I think will take some
Speaker 8: issue with them being.
Speaker 1: The first mention of their attack.
Speaker 8: Sure they drafted uh Anton Harrison, who uh looked okay
Speaker 8: this weekend. I think he's playing right tackle. You got Walker.
Speaker 2: I mean it makes a breaks team.
Speaker 8: If they really were the thirty first offensive line, then
Speaker 8: they're being overrated the same like Seahawks.
Speaker 2: He had twenty six. We'll see Jets.
Speaker 8: We've talked about those concerns the forty nine ers I mentioned,
Speaker 8: I don't think it's the best chance of hit. Might
Speaker 8: be the worst line they've had since he's been there.
Speaker 3: The blow average tier and down is Jets, Giants, Seahawks, Bucks, Cardinals,
Speaker 3: and then started with a poor tier which he also
Speaker 3: called ross, the no chance tier Commanders. That seems problematic
Speaker 3: with a young quarterback, Rams, Jaguars and as we say tight.
Speaker 6: I hope that is five playoff teams from a year ago.
Speaker 2: Someone wants sad dog.
Speaker 3: It's fair, you know. Justin Graver can't be very happy
Speaker 3: about this either. I would love our old producer.
Speaker 1: They were a giant.
Speaker 8: They were, I mean again and on a paper they
Speaker 8: are a disaster. They actually had one of the more
Speaker 8: surprising storylines. I know we're getting going, but like the
Speaker 8: fact that Malik Willis versus Will Levis is a legit
Speaker 8: battle and people thought it was going to be will
Speaker 8: Levis versus Tannehill, and Willis looked much better than he
Speaker 8: did a year ago, and Levis looked like a lot
Speaker 8: of the rookies a little overwhelmed and is playing behind
Speaker 8: Willis right now. It's one of the more more surprising
Speaker 8: But again, the story lines, and they're all in deep
Speaker 8: trouble behind that ovens.
Speaker 7: Well that's the thing, like you got hat these guys
Speaker 7: playing behind the starters of the thirty second ranked line
Speaker 7: in the league, backups to the worst lines. So it's
Speaker 7: like and you got you know that? How do we
Speaker 7: will Levis like put him. I'd start in the game
Speaker 7: or two just to see him behind some starters.
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll flip them, maybe they'll flip them.
Speaker 8: But I really feel like Tannehill's been done, done, dirty, done,
Speaker 8: a disservice.
Speaker 1: Tough sitch, tough stitch.
Speaker 3: Two quick running back notes before we say goodbye one
Speaker 3: rahaps She reports that Jonathan Taylor, who has been away
Speaker 3: from the team, getting additional rehab on his ankle.
Speaker 1: That's one way to put it.
Speaker 3: The other way to put it is he's pissed because
Speaker 3: they won't pay him, the Colts being the they. He's
Speaker 3: back with the Indy. As of Monday, he remained on
Speaker 3: the pup list and his stance, according to Ian, has
Speaker 3: not changed, but he has returned and in other news,
Speaker 3: Kendriy miller I mentioned him earlier in the show The
Speaker 3: Saints Rookie running Back reporting out there Now from ESPN.
Speaker 3: He is not expected to miss extensive time after leaving
Speaker 3: that game with a knee injury. According to a source
Speaker 3: Good News.
Speaker 7: There is one other JK. Dobbins has been activated from
Speaker 7: the pup list. The hole in situation.
Speaker 3: It's a little bundle there of running back news to
Speaker 3: close the show, backfield bundle, beautiful speaking, beautiful, great work,
Speaker 3: hinge hitting. Randy Chavez total confidence that he would succeed.
Speaker 3: Christy Stableton behind waving her arms. Why don't I get
Speaker 3: the respect.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, Christy's really the reason why.
Speaker 2: This ship didn't go down.
Speaker 1: So that's see, that's the leader that you are. And
Speaker 1: you don't have that funk music.
Speaker 3: By the way, if you do, I'd really love to
Speaker 3: sing your praises and yeah, Christy as well, a little
Speaker 3: funk jake funk kind of. He got through the line
Speaker 3: a couple times for the Colts in limited action.
Speaker 6: It was surprised.
Speaker 1: Not you, not at all.
Speaker 6: That's how it works.
Speaker 8: They only need like four more people to get hurt
Speaker 8: or hold out.
Speaker 6: Or he'll always find out.
Speaker 8: He'll mind on this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, thank you Randy and Christy
Speaker 1: holding it down. We'll be back let's keep this, let's
Speaker 1: play out with this.
Speaker 3: We'll be back on Wednesday, the three of us with
Speaker 3: another program, not just any program, the forty seventh Annual
Speaker 3: Fantasy Extravaganza.
Speaker 1: With special guests.
Speaker 3: We will get you ready for your fantasy draft, hell
Speaker 3: or high water.
Speaker 7: This is one you don't want to tell your friends about, right,
Speaker 7: you get that edge up on them, right.
Speaker 1: But that would affect our metrics slightly, So tell everyone.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm a little torn because I do want I hard
Speaker 3: listeners to do the best. But the Fantasy Extravaganza is
Speaker 3: back on Wednesday, and of course tomorrow, Colleen and I
Speaker 3: are back with Hard Knocks creakap episode two, immediately after
Speaker 3: the West Coast airing of that NFL Films HBO joint
Speaker 3: anything else, Greg, he gets it til tomorrow, he the call.
Speaker 3: Turn this up on my earphones,