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Speaker 2: Good morning, everyone, Welcome to Breaking Points. Very excited about

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Speaker 2: this show. We actually have a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: very special guest Saga is going to join it for

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Speaker 2: us take off the top of just you know, overall

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Speaker 2: Almost appears like another democratic cover up of his specific situation.

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Speaker 2: he offered to what an offer to send our military

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Speaker 2: get Glenn's take on all of those things. Also going

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Speaker 2: We've got the Baby Points edition. Sager is able to

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Speaker 2: he navigates his life heading into a very very important day.

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Speaker 2: What was Trump's quoting was like everything's going down except

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which by which he means the strollers. Right today

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Speaker 2: You had anything else to worry about, Sager, So plenty

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Speaker 1: Same with Amazon. I don't know if you I talked

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Speaker 1: on building something here on Sore, how do you know

435
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Speaker 1: that overnight Temy and Shean are not going to be

436
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Speaker 1: able to come back. Look at the TikTok thing. It's

437
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Speaker 1: literally a piece of legislation that Trump just decided that

438
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Speaker 1: he's not going to enforce. Whether you like this or not,

439
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Speaker 1: this is a ridiculous way to make policy. And the

440
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Speaker 1: whole point is that it's just freezes investment all across

441
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Speaker 1: the US. It punishes us consumer. They're seeing only things

442
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Speaker 1: that are subtracted. There's nothing being added. There doesn't feel

443
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Speaker 1: as if not only there's a steady you know, handed

444
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Speaker 1: at the wheel, but they're just generally thrown into complete chaos.

445
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Speaker 1: And that is just not really a way to live

446
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Speaker 1: for people who are not you know, it sounds stupid

447
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Speaker 1: about shopping or whatever, but you know, like you said,

448
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Speaker 1: twenty percent reduction in Google AdSpend that has some pretty

449
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Speaker 1: reverberating effects across the economy. Take us out of it.

450
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know how many I would venture

451
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Speaker 1: to say that almost every American who owns stock probably

452
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Speaker 1: owns some share of Google that's fifty sixty percent, whether

453
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Speaker 1: you own it for this S and P five hundred

454
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Speaker 1: or not. Think about if you live in an area

455
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Speaker 1: which relies on Google, they build you know, data centers

456
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Speaker 1: or anything. So that's the other thing is about the

457
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Speaker 1: downstream overall economic effect of what this stuff looks like,

458
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Speaker 1: is you know, their fiftieth and sixtieth order consequences to

459
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Speaker 1: just sucking all of this money out of the US economy.

460
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what I really object to.

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Speaker 2: Here Griffin was saying, it'd be pretty ironic of Trump

462
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Speaker 2: and I'm destroying the US podcast class.

463
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Speaker 3: That would be kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's funny though, because I think

465
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Speaker 1: they would probably still be fine. Unfortunately, the sports gambling

466
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Speaker 1: industry is still roaring, and they're the ones who are

467
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Speaker 1: really propping them up along with the discount biagra pills,

468
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Speaker 1: So I don't think they are going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well we'll have to wait for the

470
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Speaker 2: next maw it'ed move from Trump to go after those industries.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and take a listen to the guy who

472
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Speaker 2: runs the port in LA because there is perhaps no

473
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Speaker 2: one who would have his finger on the pulse, more

474
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Speaker 2: of what is headed our way and more importantly, what

475
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Speaker 2: is not headed our way. Right now, let's go ahead

476
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to what he has to.

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Speaker 9: Say about a third of the import volume, which means

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Speaker 9: give or take about fifty twenty foot equivalent units gone off.

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Speaker 9: The arrivals coming in next week.

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Speaker 10: So from next week is when you expect to say

481
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Speaker 10: this really hit.

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Speaker 9: That's correct, and that matches up the announcements back on

483
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Speaker 9: April second, then on April eighth, a little bit of

484
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Speaker 9: a change on everybody ex China, Mexico, Canada, and those

485
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Speaker 9: arrivals are coming at us this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Well, of course, dedicate time to you'll pull up. I'm

487
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Speaker 10: just wondering how you anticipate in this rose and ripples

488
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Speaker 10: through the economy from here, how it hits trucking when

489
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Speaker 10: this turns up on the shaft. What's the distance the

490
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Speaker 10: time from when you see a drop off in volume

491
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Speaker 10: and when we as consumers say the shortages.

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Speaker 9: So CEOs are telling me hit the pause button, right,

493
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to import any more at these kind

494
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Speaker 9: of prices. Let's wait and see. I don't know if

495
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Speaker 9: it's going to be two hours, two days, or two

496
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Speaker 9: weeks till I get some clarity, then hiring off the

497
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Speaker 9: table for right now, capital investment pause, and the retailers

498
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Speaker 9: are telling me that realistically, with even the ten percent,

499
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Speaker 9: I'm going to have to pass it on to the consumers.

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Speaker 11: So how much is this really coming from all over?

501
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Speaker 11: It's not just about China. This is about really global

502
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Speaker 11: trade coming to a standstill until there is a much

503
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Speaker 11: greater degree of certainty and a much lower terror freight

504
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Speaker 11: than even the baseline that's been put out there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was last with you, at least I

506
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Speaker 9: said global trade's going to slow, economies will follow, and

507
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Speaker 9: that's exactly what we're seeing. Back in November, so many

508
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Speaker 9: of us were wringing our hands about four percent inflation.

509
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Speaker 9: We've just added ten percentage points to imports coming out

510
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Speaker 9: of Southeast Asia for our port and these unbelievable numbers

511
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Speaker 9: out of China.

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Speaker 11: How much are you going to see a real decline

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Speaker 11: in dock workers if this goes on?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, this is the question.

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Speaker 9: So the trucker hauling four or five containers today, next

516
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Speaker 9: week she probably hauls two or three. The dock workers

517
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Speaker 9: are no longer going to see overtime and double shifts.

518
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Speaker 9: They're going to probably work less than a traditional work week.

519
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Speaker 9: Starting right off the bat, every four containers meet a job,

520
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Speaker 9: so when we start dialing this back, it's less job opportunity.

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Speaker 11: And what happens if we get a deal.

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Speaker 9: If we get a deal, it's going to take about

523
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Speaker 9: a month.

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Speaker 1: Let me walk you through that real quick.

525
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Speaker 9: About two weeks to get the ships repositioned around these

526
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Speaker 9: major ports from chin Dau to Shahai to jah Men,

527
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Speaker 9: load up all those containers, and then another two weeks

528
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Speaker 9: to steam across the Pacific to get to us. This

529
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Speaker 9: is important because now we're talking about the spring and

530
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Speaker 9: summer fashion, so we're kind of at a crux here

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Speaker 9: that we've got to have something pretty quick and back

532
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Speaker 9: to school, which is I think very critical when it

533
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Speaker 9: comes to political pushback for this administration.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting what he says. They're not just about the timing,

535
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Speaker 2: but he's like this, we're not just talking about China here,

536
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Speaker 2: and you know, let's just put our no up before

537
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Speaker 2: I get your reaction to all of this saga. Who

538
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Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, Japan. Originally the idea was

539
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Speaker 2: that we're going to have this grand encirclement strategy. We're

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Speaker 2: going to use Japan to agree to this to help

541
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Speaker 2: to isolate China. Fast forward today, Japan is so antagonized,

542
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Speaker 2: their publicly calling US proposals absolutely unacceptable and are threatening

543
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Speaker 2: for the first time ever, and on national TV to

544
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Speaker 2: sell their holdings of US treasuries as a tool of

545
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Speaker 2: economic warfare against the US, in other words, of policy

546
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Speaker 2: intended to isolate China as achieving the exact opposite outcome.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I was flagging a lot. I could

548
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Speaker 1: see that's coming from a mile away, you know. I

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Speaker 1: saw the Japanese Prime Minister in the parliament and I

550
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Speaker 1: was like, man, this is not good. Whenever you start

551
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Speaker 1: hearing that type of rhetoric. These are very careful and

552
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Speaker 1: reserve people. They know exactly what they're doing. That also

553
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Speaker 1: as an indication not only of how they're feeling it

554
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Speaker 1: at the governmental level, but broadly how they're seeing, you know,

555
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Speaker 1: being able to push back against the US as a

556
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Speaker 1: democratic thing, which has really not happened in a long

557
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Speaker 1: time in Japan's from an it's very isolating, you know,

558
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Speaker 1: And so not only is about a failure of policy,

559
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Speaker 1: but it also does show you that the amount of

560
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Speaker 1: uncertainty now injected into global trade is such that the

561
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Speaker 1: overall effect for the US consumer it takes months to

562
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Speaker 1: shake out. And I think the most interesting part of

563
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Speaker 1: the port of La Ceo there was him saying even

564
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Speaker 1: if it were there was a pause on everything, that

565
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Speaker 1: it would still take a month for it to come back. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is that like a lost quarter of

567
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Speaker 1: overall US GDP? Like, that's a lot and we just

568
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Speaker 1: had what the negative print on the number, and it's

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Speaker 1: a little complicated, and I know you guys have talked

570
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Speaker 1: about that in terms of the because a big part

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Speaker 1: of is a number of imports and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So it's not perhaps as catastrophic as people may think.

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Speaker 1: But I'm very curious to see what that next figure

574
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Speaker 1: looks like with this overall drop in trade. And I

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Speaker 1: also feel for a lot of those dock workers, truck

576
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Speaker 1: workers and others people who really I mean, they were

577
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Speaker 1: going through it already, and you know it's already in

578
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Speaker 1: terms of the decline, but you know, trucking, what is

579
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Speaker 1: it the number one industry for non college educated men

580
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Speaker 1: in the US be able to earn over one hundred

581
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars per year it's why it's one of the

582
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Speaker 1: reasons is the most popular industry. Get paid a decent

583
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Speaker 1: amount of money, you get to set relatively some of

584
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Speaker 1: your own hours, and you have a decent amount of freedom.

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Speaker 1: This is just takes it away from you and that's

586
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Speaker 1: financially devastating, you know, for people, and then yeah, you're

587
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Speaker 1: going to start looking at other things. I saw.

588
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Speaker 2: I wish I could remember the numbers, but the percent

589
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Speaker 2: of people who live in and around LA who are

590
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Speaker 2: somehow employed by the port ecosystem is just massive. And obviously,

591
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Speaker 2: I mean LA is the biggest port in the country,

592
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Speaker 2: but Glint is also huge. I mean, we have a

593
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Speaker 2: number that would be massively impacted. And frankly, I think

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Speaker 2: a month too. Like let's say there's a deal the

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Speaker 2: executive director there are the Port of La saying would

596
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Speaker 2: take a month to sort of shake things out based

597
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Speaker 2: on COVID, I feel like that's kind of optimistic because

598
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Speaker 2: there were so many reverberating impacts that, you know, because

599
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Speaker 2: once you the truckers aren't getting enough work, then they

600
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Speaker 2: leave and they go to other jobs, and then you

601
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Speaker 2: don't have enough truckers, and then you know the dock

602
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Speaker 2: where like, there's a whole compounding impacts that are hard

603
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Speaker 2: to anticipate in advance, So I feel like a month

604
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Speaker 2: is kind of a best case scenario, assuming that everything

605
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Speaker 2: goes relatively smoothly in being able to unwind all of this.

606
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Speaker 2: Two quick indications here before we moved onto Warren Buffett.

607
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Speaker 2: We can put up McDonald's on the screen Burger Chains

608
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Speaker 2: saying that terris are hurting sales after reporting largest decline

609
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Speaker 2: since the pandemic. Apparently also their like biosque situation in

610
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Speaker 2: the stores is also a big flop, which I would

611
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Speaker 2: agree with. It takes so much freaking longer to order

612
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Speaker 2: on those dang kios than just telling someone your order,

613
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Speaker 2: So please bring back to human beings. In addition, Apple

614
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Speaker 2: they say that the terriffs could cost them nine hundred

615
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Speaker 2: million dollars almost a billion dollars just this quarter, and

616
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Speaker 2: Tim Cook says there's actually some extraordinary factors that make

617
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Speaker 2: that number less this quarter than it could be in

618
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Speaker 2: quarters moving forward, and Sager remember Apple is one of

619
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Speaker 2: the companies that has been a beneficiary of some of

620
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Speaker 2: the larger exemptions to the tariff policy, so this is

621
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Speaker 2: also being seen as a pretty dire indicator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think one of you guys said that.

623
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Speaker 1: It was like, this is one of the best managed

624
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Speaker 1: companies in the world, with a shit ton of balance

625
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Speaker 1: sheet cash, and you know, they're they're at global experts,

626
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Speaker 1: at trade navigation and all of us. And for them

627
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, ripping a billion a quarter, that's

628
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Speaker 1: not a joke, not in terms of not only in

629
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Speaker 1: terms of their inventory and how difficult it will be

630
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Speaker 1: for them to navigate. But I think the point was, now,

631
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Speaker 1: multiply that by the average fortune five hundred CEO and

632
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, this is one of the best

633
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Speaker 1: companies in the whole world. Then just think about what

634
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Speaker 1: that's going to mean for so many others. I don't, Yeah,

635
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Speaker 1: because they had already shifted.

636
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Speaker 2: They had already shifted a significant amount to India and Vietnam,

637
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Speaker 2: I believe, so they were sort of anticipating this and

638
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Speaker 2: even so and got their exemptions because they're politically connected,

639
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Speaker 2: and even so taking this kind of a hit. Let's

640
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: go ahead and move on to Warren Buffett, of course,

641
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Speaker 2: legendary investor. He just announced that he is retiring. I mean,

642
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Speaker 2: what's he's in his nineties, so certainly, yeah, he's certainly

643
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Speaker 2: put in his time. We can go ahead and take

644
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Speaker 2: a look. He got a ten minute standing ovation at

645
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Speaker 2: the Berkshire Hathaway shareholder meeting where this was announced. You

646
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Speaker 2: can see, you know, see everyone standing there for him,

647
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Speaker 2: and he made some interesting comments during his remarks here

648
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Speaker 2: in addition to announcing his retirement on the trade war

649
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Speaker 2: and on global trade in general. Let's go ahead and

650
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Speaker 2: take a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: We want a prosperous world. Eight countries with nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 4: including a few that are what I would call quite unstable.

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Speaker 4: I do not think it's a great idea to try

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Speaker 4: and design a world where a few countries say, ha,

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Speaker 4: we've won and other countries.

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Speaker 1: Are envious.

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Speaker 4: So the main thing to do is not trade should

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Speaker 4: not be a weapon. And the United States, United States,

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Speaker 4: we've won. I mean, we have become an incredibly important

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Speaker 4: country starting from nothing two hundred and fifty years ago.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing that anything like it. And it's a big

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Speaker 4: mistake in my view when you have seven and a

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Speaker 4: half billion people that don't like you very well, and

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Speaker 4: you got three hundred million are crowing in some way

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Speaker 4: about how well I've done.

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Speaker 2: And soccer I don't know that Warren Buffett's views on

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Speaker 2: trade are exactly the same as my views on trade.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that last point he makes it's

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Speaker 2: a really key one, just in the way that this

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Speaker 2: particular trade war has been executed. He's like, you're making

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Speaker 2: the whole world hate you. The whole world, You're uniting

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Speaker 2: the entire globe against you. Like this is not a

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Speaker 2: good idea.

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Speaker 1: I respect Warren Buffett. He's a classic, you know, neoliberal

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Speaker 1: free trader, and he profited quite a bit off of

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Speaker 1: the of the Chinese economy and all of this. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't want to you know, just

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Speaker 1: besmirch or whatever, who I think is a very interesting man.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll put his views on trade aside. He

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Speaker 1: is not incorrect, you know, broadly about not only the

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Speaker 1: chaos and the isolation that has happened as we just

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Speaker 1: discussed with Japan. But you know, we also should look

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Speaker 1: to his financial strategy for if anything, let's disregard maybe

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Speaker 1: his like broad ergy of political views, and we can

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Speaker 1: say is definitely an expert in making money. If anybody

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Speaker 1: ever wants, there's a great book about it him. I

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Speaker 1: think it's called Snowball, which I read that and several

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Speaker 1: years ago fantastic book just broadly about like who this

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Speaker 1: guy is, what makes him tick, the strategy behind all

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Speaker 1: of it. It's actually really Warren's life tracks the development

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Speaker 1: of the modern US economy, and since he's one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest investors on paper ever, you know, seeing his

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Speaker 1: mind kind of work through those decision points at those

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Speaker 1: critical moments in US economic history is just a great

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Speaker 1: way for not only to understand Balfit, but also to

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Speaker 1: understand kind of everything that's happened. But to take this

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Speaker 1: out of it, look at what he is currently betting on,

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Speaker 1: and his mind still works quite well. They're sitting on

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Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars in cash because of uncertainty,

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Speaker 1: and that is a giant red signal right to the

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Speaker 1: overall US, to the equities market, to the banking sector,

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Speaker 1: to the consumers, investment investors, and others for how they

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Speaker 1: should be thinking in terms of whether they should outlay anything.

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Speaker 1: And so that kind of hold back for where if

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Speaker 1: you have the cash, you should just go ahead and

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Speaker 1: keep it. That's going to have big impacts no matter what,

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Speaker 1: because people look to Berkshire Hathaway to make their own

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Speaker 1: investment decisions. And I think that actually is the most

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Speaker 1: critical part of Warren Buffett, at least in his importance

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you can't deny his track record in you know,

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Speaker 2: investing and seeing trends and anticipating them, et cetera. And

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Speaker 2: we can put put this element up on the screen, guys.

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Speaker 2: This is something we've been tracking and covered previously, but

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Speaker 2: it's worth updating you on Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway just

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Speaker 2: announce they now hold a record three hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: eight billion dollars in cash.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Buffett's cash balance is up two hundred and thirty nine billion.

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Speaker 2: He has net sold stocks for ten straight quarters. Their

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Speaker 2: t bill balance is actually fifty six per cent higher

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Speaker 2: than the FED itself, and that cash pile is now

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Speaker 2: larger than the market cap of giants like Bank of

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Speaker 2: America and Coca Cola. Now we don't know for sure

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Speaker 2: whether there were any sales, you know, during this period

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Speaker 2: recent period of market well not sales purchases during this

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Speaker 2: recent period of market volatility to draw down on that

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Speaker 2: cash balance, but based on the comments he made at

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Speaker 2: that meaning, it seems like he's still very unimpressed with

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Speaker 2: the direction of the market.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely extraordinary. And again, like people should take

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Speaker 1: just general notice that one of the greatest investors doesn't

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Speaker 1: think that this is a good time to buy and

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Speaker 1: always holding a decent amount of cash, and you know,

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Speaker 1: just broadly, and I think we have this element as well,

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Speaker 1: just about all of these different billionaires who are disclosing

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Speaker 1: plans to sell billions of dollars in their own stock.

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Speaker 1: Bezos here selling about five billion in Amazon stock, and

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Speaker 1: I believe the same is the case for some of

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Speaker 1: the other major tech CEOs who have taken a massive

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Speaker 1: hit to their balance sheet. So yeah, they're taking money

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Speaker 1: off the table and they're hoarding cash. Just like Warren Buffett.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this if in an era of uncertainty,

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Speaker 1: businesses hoard cash. When you hoard cash, you're not making

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Speaker 1: investment or hiring employees or doing any other different things

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Speaker 1: that you may do. And not good. Not good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's that's exactly right. And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw because you I think read all

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Speaker 2: of Weisenthal's things as I do. But his theory is

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Speaker 2: that part of why the market hasn't crashed as much

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Speaker 2: as you may expect, although I will say, looking at

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Speaker 2: ten thirty am right now, it is down this morning,

753
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Speaker 2: but is because retail has been so conditioned to buy

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Speaker 2: the dip that they are actually buoying the market, and

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Speaker 2: that if you look at the much larger institutional investors,

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Speaker 2: they are all extremely barish. And I think you know,

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Speaker 2: Berkshire Hathaway here and Duck Bezos and other billionaires would

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Speaker 2: be sort of emblematic of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't fault anybody for buying the

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Speaker 1: dipper dollar cost averaging or you know, not making any

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Speaker 1: big decison or not like deviating. I think on the

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Speaker 1: institutional side, they also, as we're talking about just broadly,

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Speaker 1: like they have investors, or they have shareholders, or they

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Speaker 1: need to be able to plan for the future, They're

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Speaker 1: not thinking about it similarly, and so for them, the problem,

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Speaker 1: you know, the retail guys always discover is that those

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Speaker 1: large forces are much more market moving and important than

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Speaker 1: you are. You know, with your one hundred dollars a

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Speaker 1: month or whatever that you're auto buying the S and

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Speaker 1: P five hundred. And this is the problem, you know,

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Speaker 1: with major capital and their control is that the hey

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Speaker 1: are the ones you decide the fate really for all

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Speaker 1: of us, they're major decisions and so whether we like

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Speaker 1: it or not, they're the ones who are really pulling

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Speaker 1: the strings here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I have to live in the reality

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Speaker 2: as it currently exists.

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Speaker 1: Sager.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you, sir, Great to see you. Everybody

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Speaker 2: is very excited about you being daddy to be and

781
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Speaker 2: thinking a lot about you and Jillian as you go

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Speaker 2: through this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Yeah, just shout out to any other

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Speaker 1: expected parents out there. It's not easy. Do your own research,

785
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Speaker 1: stand up for yourself, be your own advocate, and just

786
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Speaker 1: make sure that you know you're taking everything with a

787
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Speaker 1: grain of salt and making sure that you're paying attention.

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Speaker 1: That's what I really hope lock in. But yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: we're doing our best hanging on and I'll let everybody

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Speaker 1: know as soon as I can when things are.

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Speaker 3: In motion, all right.

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Speaker 2: And lastly, we're bringing in, you know, some celebrity guest

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Speaker 2: hosts to try their best to fill your shoes, and

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Speaker 2: we're about to. I'm about to bring in Glenn Greenwald,

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Speaker 2: who scarcely needs an introduction. Pulled surprise winning journalist, hosts

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Speaker 2: of System, Update on Rumble, etcetera. Any advice for me

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Speaker 2: or for him as we move into the oh, celebrity

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Speaker 2: guest host portion of the show.

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Speaker 1: I think just change things up. I think that's one

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Speaker 1: of the most fun things. Whenever you have different guest hosts,

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Speaker 1: song with different perspectives, or different hosts or any other things,

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Speaker 1: you know, it can just be u it can be

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Speaker 1: something new, and I think that's refreshing sometimes, especially in

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Speaker 1: a crazy time like this.

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Speaker 2: All right, Sager, go take care of what you need to,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll see again soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Glenn Greenwald, Welcome, Thank you for doing this with us.

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Speaker 7: I'm so happy to be here. I just wanted to

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Speaker 7: say I'm very well prepared. I actually I don't know

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Speaker 7: if you studied it, but I have a big believer

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Speaker 7: in method acting, and I spent the last few days

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Speaker 7: navigating life as Saga, like I dressed like Kim, had

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Speaker 7: my friends and kids call me Sager.

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Speaker 1: So I feel, oh, yeah, is no, I'm done.

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Speaker 7: I had to come on as myself. You don't want

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Speaker 7: to like show what you're doing, so oh in my

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Speaker 7: pocket my pocket handkerchief as well.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm ready to embody Sager excellent. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that. We actually Saga was able to join

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Speaker 2: for the A Bloc, so the audience will be able

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Speaker 2: to compare and contrast just how well you do excellent,

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Speaker 2: And we.

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Speaker 1: Already gave you all.

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Speaker 2: Your accolades Politicerprize winning journalists, blah blah blah, So no worry,

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Speaker 2: you're properly presented here. I've got a bunch of news

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Speaker 2: stories I want to get to with you. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff that is like right in your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: But before we did that, I wanted to get your

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Speaker 2: reaction to Trump gave an interview to NBC's Meet the

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Speaker 2: Press Crystal Welker. There were a number of moments that

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Speaker 2: were noteworthy, but I wanted to get your reaction this

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Speaker 2: one specifically where he says he's not sure if he's

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Speaker 2: got to follow the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Some of the worst, most dangerous people on earth. And

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Speaker 6: I was a to get him the hell out of here,

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Speaker 6: and the courts are holding me from doing it.

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Speaker 5: But even given those numbers that you're talking about, don't

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Speaker 5: you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States?

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Speaker 1: As President I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant

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Speaker 6: lawyers that work for me, and they are going to

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Speaker 6: obviously follow what the Supreme Court said. What you said

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Speaker 6: is not what I heard. The Supreme Court said. They

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Speaker 6: have a different interpretation.

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Speaker 5: Is anyone in your administration right now in contact with

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Speaker 5: El Salvador about returning a brigovarsiat?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: You'd have to ask the Attorney General of that question.

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Speaker 2: So, Glenn, it doesn't surprise me to hear Trump saying like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I need to follow the constitution

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Speaker 2: some aspects of his administration. I think I expected basically

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Speaker 2: the direction that he's gone in. But I have to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, as someone who was accused of having Trump's arrangement,

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Speaker 2: Centerman is still accused of such things. It's actually been

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Speaker 2: much worse than I anticipated. And so I was just

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Speaker 2: curious your perspective on how this is going visa VI,

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Speaker 2: your expectations. What parts of it are you know, pushing

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Speaker 2: further the attacks on civil liberties, some of the authoritarian tactics,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Just what's your view of how this is

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Speaker 2: all going now that we're more than one hundred days in.

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Speaker 7: It's a little bit of a complex question for the

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Speaker 7: following reason. Obviously, I have been extremely vocal in denouncing

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Speaker 7: countless Trump policies that are clear violations on basic civil liberties,

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Speaker 7: on core concepts of due process and free speech. It's

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Speaker 7: like an onslaught against the Bill of Rights, against the

868
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Speaker 7: whole idea of having three branches of Congress. These things

869
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 7: are very concerning and very worrying and very dangerous. That said,

870
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 7: I started to make two quick points about this. One

871
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 7: was in that interview that you just showed with Meet

872
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: the Press. I do think that a lot of times,

873
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 7: so many of the scandals that became these kind of

874
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 7: red alert you know, eleven on the outraged scale scambals

875
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 7: are the byproduct of Trump either trolling or not being

876
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 7: very clear. He's not Actually he's a very effective speaker,

877
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 7: but he's not a very cogent or clear order of

878
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 7: his thoughts. They often get very confused. He becumes from

879
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 7: some in the middle of sentences. I think what happened

880
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 7: there was not he wasn't saying I think that, oh,

881
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 7: we may or may not have to abide other constitution.

882
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 7: The context for that was the Brigo Garcia case, where

883
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court, by a nine to zero ruling, ordered

884
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 7: the Trump administration to do everything to facilitate his return

885
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 7: and then report to the courts what it is that

886
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 7: they were doing to be able to prove that they

887
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 7: were complying with the Supreme Court order. When President Trump,

888
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 7: you know, days later, met with Bukeley in the Oval

889
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 7: office and a reporter asked him about that, like, hey,

890
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court told you get him back. It was

891
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 7: obviously he hadn't read the Supreme Court opinion. I don't

892
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 7: think it comes to a surprise to anybody that Trump

893
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 7: doesn't read Supreme Court opinions. And so he sort of said,

894
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 7: I'm not sure, and then he asked Stephen Miller, and

895
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 7: Steve Miller stood up and explicitly and directly lied to Trump, saying,

896
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 7: President Trump, we won on a ninety zero ruling. It

897
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 7: was ninety zero in our favor, saying we don't have

898
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 7: to get him back. And I believe Trump believes that

899
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 7: to this very day. So I think in the interview,

900
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 7: when she was saying do we have to buy it

901
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 7: by the constitution, that could be a question of do

902
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 7: we have to obey lower court judges or does the

903
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 7: constitution require you to get him back? But having said that,

904
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 7: just on that one issue, I do think that there

905
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 7: is this They came in very prepared, and I kept

906
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: hearing that throughout twenty twenty four from Trump people. We

907
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 7: know what we did wrong on the first term. We

908
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 7: didn't know what Washington we had too many people in

909
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 7: the administration and sabotaging us. They came in with a very

910
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 7: clear plan, most of which Trump explicitly discussed during the campaign,

911
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 7: and it was all about eliminating any impediments to what

912
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 7: Trump wanted to do, not just in the executive branch,

913
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 7: but in the entire country colleges and media outlets and

914
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 7: dissidents and activists. And that is where I think have

915
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 7: been so radical and so extreme, and a full scale,

916
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 7: very well coordinate attack on anything that might impedede Trump.

917
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where you know, even on this comments

918
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: like I hear what you're saying about, Well, he's clumsy

919
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: and how he answered this, and sometimes he can be trolling.

920
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: You know, he's also flirted with twenty twenty eight. But

921
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: then in this interview is like, well, I'm not really

922
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: that interested in that, et cetera. But when you also

923
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: layer on top of that, he is also brazenly defying

924
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: the Constitution any number of ways. I mean, you know,

925
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: they think they have a case that they can take

926
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court about the Empowerment Control Act, but

927
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: power of the purse is long rested with Congress, and

928
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: they just feel like they can do whatever they want

929
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: with regard to not spending funds that have been appropriated,

930
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: fire whatever they want, run rough shot over the government. Obviously,

931
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: with regard to the Alien Enemies Act, they just decided, like,

932
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: we don't have to offer due process. Another brazen violation

933
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: of the Constitution. The assault on free speech with regard

934
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: to college campus is not just with regard to foreign students,

935
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: but also with regard to pressuring universities to you know,

936
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Speaker 2: withhold diplomas from American citizens.

937
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: All of these things.

938
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: Are Oh, there was a memo that came out from

939
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 2: this government or their position officially is that they don't

940
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: need a warrant to go into your home if you

941
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: are suspected of being a gang member, and apparently being

942
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: suspected of being a gang member just means like you're

943
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: maybe from Venezuela and perhaps you have a tattoo so

944
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: when you put the comments in the context of it

945
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like this administration does feel like they need

946
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: to abide by the typical understandings of the Constitution. One

947
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: of his very first executive orders was to say, hey,

948
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Speaker 2: we're going to end birthright citizenship, which the language of

949
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: which is plaine of day, Plain is day inside the Constitution.

950
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 2: That's one of the ways that I feel like Trump

951
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: two point zero is different than Trump one point zero,

952
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: where there was a lot of merit to the well,

953
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: I'll take him seriously but not literally. This time, I

954
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: feel like you do kind of have to take him

955
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: literally based on the actions that they have taken thus far,

956
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: which really have indulged his most maximalist instincts.

957
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree with that absolutely. I should note that

958
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 7: several times Trump has been asked in the first four

959
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 7: to six weeks of his administration, if the Supreme Court

960
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 7: rules against you, would you ever consider ignoring or violating

961
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 7: a Supreme Court order? And he very explicitly said absolutely not,

962
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 7: I would never do so. And the difference between the

963
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 7: first so I'm not saying that means he won't, I'm

964
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 7: just saying that that idea has been in his head in.

965
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: Because he basically is right now right, especially with regard

966
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: to you.

967
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 3: I know they're trying to play this legally.

968
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: Is oh, well, facilitate means we don't really have to

969
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: do anything.

970
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 7: No, there's no question they're ignoring. Yeah, there's no quess right,

971
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 7: zero question. And they're doing it brazenly and defiantly. When

972
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 7: they go to a court, a lower court court or

973
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 7: an appellate court, they're contempt for their idea that they

974
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 7: have to justify what they're doing is palpable. So I

975
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 7: agree with you about the difference between the first and

976
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 7: second term. This is what I will say, though. I

977
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 7: remember when Wolsonar got elected in Brazil in twenty eighteen,

978
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 7: he had a long history of just the most alarming

979
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 7: and disturbing statement to like, first thing I'll do is

980
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 7: close the Congress. You know, Pinochet didn't throw enough people

981
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 7: out of helicop on and on and on. And as

982
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 7: it turned out, when he got into the question, was

983
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 7: our Brazilian institution strong and willing enough to confront him

984
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 7: even if it means risk, And the answer ended up

985
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 7: being yes, he ended up being actually a very weak president.

986
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 7: I think that happened in Trump point one two. There

987
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 7: was such a mobilization of every institution to try and

988
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 7: stop him, in my opinion, almost excessively. What we're seeing now, though, Crystal,

989
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 7: is some serious pushback that I think can be meaningful.

990
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 7: Like I said, Trump lost nine to zero in the

991
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 7: Supreme Court. Yes, they're ignoring it. They're not facilitating his return.

992
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 7: That's going to go back to the Supreme Court and

993
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 7: we'll see what the Supreme Court does. You see other

994
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 7: cases where they lost on a nine to zero ruling

995
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 7: as well. With the Alien Enemies Act and whether due

996
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 7: process is required before they can deport people in the

997
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 7: Supreme Court said absolutely, not only that, but advance notice

998
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 7: is required as well. A Trump appointed judge just you know,

999
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 7: three days ago last week said he doesn't even have

1000
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 7: the right to invoke the Alien Enemies Act because we're

1001
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 7: at war. So I just think that a lot of

1002
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 7: what Trump is doing is extremely disturbing, extremely alarming. We're

1003
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 7: still in the first three months. We'll see if they

1004
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 7: run out of energy, if they start having internal dissent,

1005
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 7: but more importantly, whether our institutions can really confront it.

1006
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree with that, and I think

1007
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: there's been more of a resistance that has been mounted

1008
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: in recent weeks, and the courts, you know, they take

1009
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: time to act. And one of the things that Trump

1010
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: two point zero has done, you know, very intentionally, is

1011
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: flood the zone. Is just take the chainsaw and just

1012
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: move and just act. You saw this very explicitly with

1013
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: the with the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act. They

1014
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: drafted it, they held it, they got the people they

1015
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: wanted to deport in place ready to board the planes

1016
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: before they released it publicly. You know, there were attorneys,

1017
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: who immigration attorneys who were starting to get wind of it.

1018
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: That's the reason they were able to cobble together this

1019
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: last minute hearing where the judge says, hey, you have

1020
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: to even if the planes are the air, you have

1021
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: to turn them around. And again they just ignore that

1022
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: and oh, well they were over international waters.

1023
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: We couldn't do anything at that point. So sorry.

1024
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, since you issued that order from

1025
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: the bench, it doesn't really matter. But in any case

1026
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: that the point is just that, because they've been so

1027
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: willing to act aggressively and in ways that they themselves

1028
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: know are probably not going to hold up to judicial scrutiny,

1029
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: it has been very difficult for the courts to keep up.

1030
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: The Democrats have been utterly pathetic in almost all instances.

1031
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 2: I know is ye know who could have predicted that,

1032
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: But you know their initial instinct was to be really

1033
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: cowed by Trump two point zero. I think a lot

1034
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: of the media's instinct has been to bend the knee

1035
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: and basically bribe Trump to leave them alone so they

1036
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: can get their mergers through, et cetera. You initially had

1037
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: a Columbia University really bending the knee in particular, and

1038
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: other universities getting to follow suit. Now you've started to

1039
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: have led by Harvard, You've started to have a little

1040
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: bit of backbone demonstrated with the universities, a little bit

1041
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: of backbone now starting to be demonstrated by the law

1042
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: firms as well. Still waiting a bit on the media,

1043
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: I guess we have a few signs of that as well.

1044
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: But you know, I agree with you that the now

1045
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: that Trump has become so unpopular, and I think the

1046
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: tariffs have been particular stapped of a lot of popular

1047
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: support and institutional support as well. I think there's more

1048
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: pushback than there was previously, but I'm concerned about how

1049
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: much damage they can do before things are rained in

1050
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: and as you know, because you've covered this better than

1051
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: probably anyone, once the executive claims a power for itself,

1052
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: Once an executive tramples on our rights, it's very hard

1053
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: to put that genie back in the bottle.

1054
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: You know.

1055
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Usually you just go increasingly in that direction. Whatever power

1056
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: the last president grabs, the next president grabs that power

1057
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: and expands it even further.

1058
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I just wanted to pick them on that

1059
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 7: last plant because I think it's such a crucial one.

1060
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 7: During the campaign twenty sixteen and then even during the

1061
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 7: Trump presidency, one of the things that bothered me and

1062
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 7: concerned me about the liberal reaction to Trump, you know,

1063
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 7: like the maximalists, hair on fire kind of reaction, and

1064
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 7: that just being things like Russia, eate, I mean, like,

1065
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 7: you know, just reactions to a lot of the policies,

1066
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 7: is that so often things were depicted as some sort

1067
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 7: of singular trumpy and evil that was this radical departure

1068
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 7: from the American tradition. I remember the first time I

1069
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 7: really was irritated by this was when Trump invited the

1070
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 7: Egyptian dictator Sissy to the White House and the media

1071
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 7: went berserk and said, this is no American president would

1072
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 7: have done this, embraced a dictator like this before, and

1073
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 7: I was like, what, that's the whole history of the

1074
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 7: post World War two era American presidents embraced dictators pretty

1075
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 7: much every month. It's what they wake up and they do.

1076
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 7: And there was a and so much of what I

1077
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 7: feel like going through these first three months of the

1078
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 7: civil liberties onslaught is it reminds me so much of

1079
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 7: those Bushheney years. You know, when I began writing about politics,

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Speaker 7: where the big framework was is the administration could do anything.

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Speaker 7: It could put people in prisons with no charges in

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Speaker 7: the middle of an ocean, or kidnap them or torture them,

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Speaker 7: or spy on people. And the if you raise questions

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Speaker 7: about it, the answer always was, why are you defending

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Speaker 7: the terrorists? And he would be like, what the whole

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Speaker 7: point of what I'm saying is that you don't know

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Speaker 7: if someone's a terrorist until they get due process. And

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Speaker 7: that's and you know, they invented all these radical presidential

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Speaker 7: theories about why they can ignore congressional law. And there's

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Speaker 7: an article today by jack Oldsmith, the Bush Cheney DJ

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Speaker 7: lawyer in the and Harvard law professor in New York

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Speaker 7: Times basically saying that most of the policies Trump is embracing,

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Speaker 7: all being radically extended in more dangerous form, come from

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Speaker 7: precedents that Obama won, that Biden won, that George Bush

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Speaker 7: one on the extent of presidential powers. And he says,

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Speaker 7: that's really the main problem this country has is we've

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Speaker 7: made the president into a king, which you know, is

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Speaker 7: exactly what the founder sought to avoid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the last thing that we can move on

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Speaker 2: to what's going on with Yemen and Israel and Iran

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Speaker 2: some you know, very ominous developments that we'll track. The

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Speaker 2: last thing I wanted to get you on is something

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Speaker 2: that Michael Tracy has been talking about is the way

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Speaker 2: that this Trump administration seems to think that national security,

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Speaker 2: or deeming something a national emergency, as with the tariffs,

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Speaker 2: is a kind of cheat code to be able to

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Speaker 2: just do whatever you want without having to worry about laws, Congress, courts,

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Speaker 2: due process, etc. You see that that's the Alien Enemies Act,

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Speaker 2: that's the exploration of declaring cartel members any enemy combatants.

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Speaker 2: That's the justification for the tariffs as well. And that direction,

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Speaker 2: to me is also very unnerving because Historically, the courts

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Speaker 2: have granted the executive a lot of bandwidth to declare

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Speaker 2: what is and isn't a national security threat, what is

1114
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Speaker 2: and isn't a national emergency, etc. So they feel like

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Speaker 2: they can just stretch that outrageously to be able to

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Speaker 2: claim effectively wartime powers here at home, you know, with

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Speaker 2: massive blowback on our own citizens, not to mention immigrants

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Speaker 2: who are here as well.

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Speaker 7: No, that is a massive concern, and that was part

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Speaker 7: of what Professor Golsmith's article is about, was exactly that

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Speaker 7: there's the set of precedents now, the idea that presidents

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Speaker 7: have virtually unimited power and war, that's very embedded American culture. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: you know, Lincoln notoriously suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.

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Speaker 7: We obviously don't have anything remotely close to that. You know,

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Speaker 7: FDR use the Alien Enemies Act to detain huge numbers

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Speaker 7: of Japanese Americans and concentration camps on the grounds that

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Speaker 7: they're alien enemies, and the courts have often approved of

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Speaker 7: these over the decades, creating this you know, almost omnipotent presidency.

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Speaker 7: But most presidents have had some restraints on what they

1130
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Speaker 7: were willing to do political ones or ethical ones or whatever.

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Speaker 7: And Trump is taking that to the fullest extent. And

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Speaker 7: you know, again in the War on Terror, that's what

1133
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Speaker 7: was happening. And well, and then finally you did have

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Speaker 7: pushback from courts, like in two thousand and eight the

1135
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Speaker 7: Supreme Court rule that even Guantanamo detainees have a right

1136
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Speaker 7: of habeas corpus to go in and see the against

1137
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Speaker 7: them and to question it, and huge numbers prove their

1138
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Speaker 7: innocence from that, showing the dangers of just allowing the

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Speaker 7: president to treat people as guilty before they've been found guilty.

1140
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Speaker 7: But again, I think that Trump is exploiting in a

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Speaker 7: very dangerous way a long history of expanding executive powers,

1142
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Speaker 7: in part because people in Congress don't want that responsibility.

1143
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Speaker 7: They're happy to let the president make tough decisions because

1144
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Speaker 7: they just want to get reelected.

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Speaker 2: That's a good transition to Yemen and the Hoofies, I

1146
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: would say, And we can go ahead and put these

1147
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: images up on the screen. So they were able to

1148
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Speaker 2: successfully launch a ballistic missile that struck near Israel's main airport.

1149
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Speaker 2: This just happened on Sunday. You can see the black

1150
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Speaker 2: smoke there rising in the air. This is, according to

1151
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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, a significant target, a rare hit

1152
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Speaker 2: of such a significant target, and happened just hours before

1153
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Speaker 2: the Israeli cabinet voted unanimously to expand their war in Gaza.

1154
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Speaker 2: There were a number of injuries, no fatalities, however, and

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Speaker 2: the Houthis are saying that they are going to continue.

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Speaker 2: They're saying that they're instituting an air blockade. I don't

1157
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Speaker 2: think they have that those capabilities, but they certainly demonstrated here.

1158
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Speaker 2: The US and Israel attempted to intercept this missile. They

1159
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Speaker 2: were unsuccessful, and so you have it, you know, causing

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Speaker 2: some damage to there near the airport.

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Speaker 3: Glenn, what do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: And also just I mean, this is again an escalation

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Speaker 2: and continuation of the Biden policy visa VI what the

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Speaker 2: US has been doing with the hoo Thi's of just hey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to just keep bombing them rather and we

1166
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Speaker 2: know the one thing that worked you get the Houthis

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Speaker 2: to stop doing the thing that they're doing was a ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: But instead we're just.

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Speaker 2: Going to keep bombing them, even though everyone knows this

1170
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Speaker 2: is not going to be successful. And yet somehow, you know,

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Speaker 2: this was the topic that was in the signal Gate conversation.

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Speaker 2: Everyone pretends like, if we just make a bomb go

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Speaker 2: boom is somewhere in Yemen, that this is a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote success.

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Speaker 7: It's so interesting because the one of the worst humanitary

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Speaker 7: crisis of this century was when Saudi Arabia aged all

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Speaker 7: out war with the very direct and over help and

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Speaker 7: cooperation with the Obomb administration on Yemen in an extent

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Speaker 7: to exterminate the Houthis. It killed massive numbers of innocent people,

1180
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Speaker 7: It caused mass famine and Yemen, and yet it really

1181
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 7: didn't degrade the houth The's capability at all. They learned

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Speaker 7: how instead to protect their military assets, how to bury

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Speaker 7: them underground, how to disperse them. It really made them stronger.

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Speaker 7: And it's so interesting that you say that throughout twenty

1185
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Speaker 7: twenty four, Biden was bombing the Houthis almost every day,

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Speaker 7: not nearly to the extent the United States is now

1187
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Speaker 7: bombing them under Trump, but still nonetheless bombing the every day.

1188
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Speaker 7: And I don't know if you've seen it, but in

1189
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Speaker 7: mid twenty twenty four he did an interview Trump did

1190
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Speaker 7: with Tim Pole, who asked him about the bombing of Yemen,

1191
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Speaker 7: and Trump denounced Biden, saying, yeah, these democrats, they just

1192
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Speaker 7: want to go all around the world bombing people. It's

1193
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Speaker 7: totally unnecessary. Why would we bomb the houthis At least

1194
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Speaker 7: then from like an America first perspective or whatever, Hoothies

1195
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Speaker 7: really were attacking American ships because they blamed us correctly

1196
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Speaker 7: for arming and funding Israel's destruction of Gaza. Once that

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Speaker 7: ceasefire happened, the who he said, We're not going to

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Speaker 7: attack anybody anymore. Our cause is done, and they did stop.

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Speaker 7: And then once Israel quickly violated the ceasefire agreement by

1200
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Speaker 7: blocking humanitarian need from entering the ceasefire required them to

1201
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 7: do so, they said, we're going to resume our attacks,

1202
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 7: but only on Israeli ships, so not on American ships.

1203
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 7: They hadn't attacked American ships for two months when Trump

1204
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 7: suddenly decided he was going to not only reinstate, but

1205
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 7: radically escalate the bombing campaign of in Yemen. And it

1206
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Speaker 7: is such an interesting test in some way for MAGA,

1207
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Speaker 7: in that they've claimed one of their main goals of

1208
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 7: their political movement is to end Middle East wars, and

1209
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 7: here you have Trump totally gratuitously restarting one, and there's

1210
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Speaker 7: been some muttering, but not very much pushback at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is one of the things that was

1212
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: most disturbing to me about Signalgate is when you look

1213
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: in all the people that are in that chat. You

1214
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: got Toulci Gabber, you got jd Vance, you got Joe Ken,

1215
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Speaker 2: all these people, number of whom are supposed to be

1216
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Speaker 2: maggot in America. First, Jade Vance puts up this like

1217
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: weird complaint about isn't this just too good for Europe

1218
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: that we're doing this. I mean, listen, I get it.

1219
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: He's trying to appeal to a certain audience. But once

1220
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Speaker 2: that gets swatted aside and Steven Miller comes in over

1221
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: the top and basically says, no, this is what the

1222
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Speaker 2: boss wants everybody. Okay, great, you know, fift pound fire,

1223
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: American flag emoji, et cetera. And that, to me was

1224
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: sort of lost in the also significant and serious conversation

1225
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: about use of signal and all these sorts of things

1226
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Speaker 2: and kind of the process of it. But the fact

1227
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Speaker 2: that there was next to no dissent about a policy

1228
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Speaker 2: that everyone knows to have failed, and also by the way,

1229
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Speaker 2: is illegal in my view, should be authorized by Congress.

1230
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Speaker 2: And you know, this all just played out in this

1231
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: very casual signal chat where we know now there have

1232
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Speaker 2: been massive strikes on innocent civilians. There was a migration

1233
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Speaker 2: center for a number of African migrants who were killed,

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Speaker 2: and this just goes almost unremarked at this point.

1235
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, as Michael Tracy said, you could never

1236
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 7: go broke betting on the continuation of bipartisan foreign policy

1237
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Speaker 7: in Washington. No matter how many candidates who win say

1238
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Speaker 7: they're going to you know, revolutionize it and uproot it, it

1239
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Speaker 7: just sort of continues endlessly. You know, I think that

1240
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Speaker 7: signal chat is interesting. I mean, I think Jadvance I

1241
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 7: would give him a little bit of space in that

1242
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 7: he knew he was, you know, communicating with a bunch

1243
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 7: of people who don't care about civilian casualties at all,

1244
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 7: don't care about the implications of starting a war, so

1245
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Speaker 7: he was trying to kind of play into their you know,

1246
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 7: prejudices and beliefs. Maybe I'm being naive, but you know,

1247
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 7: he was trying to cater his argument to that crowd,

1248
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 7: saying I think this is a mistake. You know, he

1249
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 7: was clearly opposed to it, but it was a very timid,

1250
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 7: very meet. Soon as he got pushed back, he said, no, no,

1251
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Speaker 7: don't worry if it happens, all supported publicly. And then

1252
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Speaker 7: when Pete Haig says showed, look, we just you know,

1253
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Speaker 7: just destroyed this whole building, this residential building that they

1254
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 7: bombed an apartment building because they thought a hoothy commander

1255
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Speaker 7: was inside with his girlfriend. It was a residential building.

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Speaker 1: JD.

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Speaker 7: Van said, you know, awesome, and they all started putting

1258
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Speaker 7: up their muscle on American flag tap you know emojis,

1259
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Speaker 7: including Talsea, who I know for so long has been

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Speaker 7: v a mainly outspoken against the bombing of Yemen, and

1261
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Speaker 7: now she too is a supporter of it. And I

1262
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Speaker 7: know we're talking about Mike Walts in a second, but this,

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Speaker 7: to me is one of the most alarming parts of

1264
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 7: the Trump administration is you do have some ideological diversity

1265
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 7: and disagreement in some areas, but what has been made

1266
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 7: abundantly clear to everybody is that the only relevant metric

1267
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 7: is not where you stand in this issue, where where

1268
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 7: you stand that at you, but absolute loyalty to Trump.

1269
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 7: So when Trump speaks, you nod, you defend it, and

1270
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 7: you carry it out with your greatest enthusiasm, and the

1271
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 7: slightest hint of disloyalty puts you under suspicion or even

1272
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Speaker 7: getting fired. And that is the climate that I find

1273
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 7: so chilling, because it's not just for the White House,

1274
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Speaker 7: but they're trying to make it for the country as

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Speaker 7: a whole.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's so well said.

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Speaker 2: And the other part of the Houthi strike on Bengurian

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Speaker 2: Airport that is playing out right now, I can put

1279
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Speaker 2: this next on piece up on the screen is Boebe

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01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: is clearly trying to use this as a pretext to try,

1281
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: once again for the millions time, to pull us into

1282
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Speaker 2: war with Iran. So he says here he's quote tweeting

1283
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Speaker 2: an old post from President Trump. He says, President Trump

1284
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Speaker 2: is absolute right attacks by the Houthis emanate from Iran.

1285
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Speaker 2: Israel respond to the hoothy attack against our main airport

1286
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Speaker 2: and at a time and place of our choosing to

1287
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Speaker 2: their Iranian terror masters. And the post that he, you know,

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Speaker 2: he quote tweeted here says every shot fired by the

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Speaker 2: Houthis will be looked upon from this point forward as

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Speaker 2: being a shot fired from the weapons and the leadership of

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Speaker 2: Iran and Iran will be held responsible and stuff for

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Speaker 2: the consequences, and those consequences will be dire. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: there are really there are ideological battles that are playing

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Speaker 2: out within the Trump administration. We've seen this person in

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Speaker 2: that person getting fired, Mike Will, most notably being, you know,

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Speaker 2: given the much less prominent and significant role of UN ambassador.

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Speaker 2: But some of these battles are also less about ideology

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Speaker 2: and more about personality conflicts as well. So it can

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Speaker 2: be kind of hard to suss out what exactly is

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Speaker 2: going on here. But there's no doubt that BB is

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Speaker 2: trying to do everything he can to draw us into

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Speaker 2: war with Iran. President Trump so far has been interested

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Speaker 2: in negotiating with Iran. I think that's one area of

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Speaker 2: this administration that I can say, you know, that's to

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Speaker 2: his credit, and I hope he continues in that direction.

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Speaker 2: Nor do I have But it's not like I have

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Speaker 2: a lot of confidence that we're going to have the

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Speaker 2: patience to wait out what will undoubtedly be difficult diplomatic

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Speaker 2: maneuvers here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's a clear split inside MAGA that

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Speaker 7: is very genuine You've seen some very prominent MAGA voices

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Speaker 7: or influencers that Trump cares about. I guess you could say,

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Speaker 7: including Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon, who

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Speaker 7: are essentially on a public and private crusade to make

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Speaker 7: sure that Trump doesn't get pressured by Israel into going

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Speaker 7: and attacking Iran, and JD. Vans is part of that.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump Junior is part of that. Make of these

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Speaker 7: people what you will make of their motives, what you

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Speaker 7: will The reality is that they have been on a

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Speaker 7: very over coordinated campaign to try and persuade Trump that

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Speaker 7: this will destroy his legacy and destroy his presidency. And

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Speaker 7: then you have this other camp, of course, that Mike

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Speaker 7: Waltz was in. That Marcar Rubio, though, is still in.

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Speaker 7: Before we make too much of Mike Waltz's firing, his

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Speaker 7: replacement is Mark Rubio and Cotton Lindsay Graham, that whole crowd,

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Speaker 7: along with of course the Israelis Now, I do think

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Speaker 7: you know, I'll just tell you this story. I debated

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Speaker 7: Alan Dershowitz about seven months ago in New York, and

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Speaker 7: the proposition was something like the us of Bambaran's new

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Speaker 7: Court facilities, and I knew I was going to come

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Speaker 7: and say, Yeah. I knew he was going to come

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Speaker 7: and say, of course, because he's Alan Dershowitz and he's

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Speaker 7: an Israel supporter. Aaran is like six and a half

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Speaker 7: seconds away from having a NUCRO weapon. So I wanted

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Speaker 7: to come and show how long those warnings, those same

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Speaker 7: exact warnings have been emanating from Israel supporters, and it

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Speaker 7: actually shocked me. You go back to like the late

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Speaker 7: nineties throughout I mean, it's been like twenty five years

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Speaker 7: that Netnyahu and his loyalists inside the United States have

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Speaker 7: been trying to learn the United States into a war

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Speaker 7: with Iran by saying over and over, you remember that chart,

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Speaker 7: that that primitive cartoon that Netnya who brought to the

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Speaker 7: un of the ticking time bomb. They are desperate and

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Speaker 7: have been desperate to get the United States to go

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Speaker 7: and destroy This is not about destroying the Nucro installations.

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Speaker 7: They want to change the regime and reinstall the Shah,

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Speaker 7: the Chavon's Sun. And I do think there's a part

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Speaker 7: of Trump instinctively that would like his legacy to be

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Speaker 7: like I ended Wars. I was the peacemaker. I think

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Speaker 7: some of the blocosity we saw exactly the same thing

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Speaker 7: from Pete has Hexstts this weekend, where he, you know,

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Speaker 7: basically said exactly what Nanya who said, Aaron be unnoticed.

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Speaker 7: We're going to pick a time in place of our

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 7: choosing to make you pay for arming these. Hopefully that

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Speaker 7: instinct that I really do believe is real and Trump,

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Speaker 7: with conflicting instincts, will be able to be kind of manipulated.

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Speaker 7: The problem is, as you know, Crystal, they withdrew from

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Speaker 7: the Iran deal, and so any new deal has to

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Speaker 7: be significantly stronger than the Iran deal for just Trump

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Speaker 7: to justify why he pulled out. But that's very hard

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Speaker 7: because the Iramians had negotiated to their fullest extent and

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Speaker 7: got to the own point where they wouldn't go any further.

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Speaker 7: And the question is how do you get in some

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Speaker 7: middle brown where you're not going to warp but getting

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Speaker 7: an Iran deal that isn't the Obama deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they could probably get away

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Speaker 2: honestly with just basically having the Obama deal, but with

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Speaker 2: some space saving bullshit that Trump could point to. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it would I don't know, just something that

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Speaker 2: would have to be yeah that different that they could

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Speaker 2: just be like, oh and look we crafted this gold

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Speaker 2: Trump statue and he'll be like, look, this is so

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Speaker 2: much better than the other deal that Obama did, or something.

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Speaker 1: Of that nature.

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Speaker 2: I do want to quickly get to the Mike Waltz thing.

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Speaker 2: This is Extuner's report from the water jampost that Trump

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: got pissed off at him. This is also encouraging, by

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Speaker 2: the way, because he was seen as having acted too

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: much in coordination with BB and it was just too

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Speaker 2: overt that he was trying to push Israeli interests over

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Speaker 2: US interests. Headline here is inside Waltzs's alister before Signal Gate.

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Speaker 2: Talks with Israel angered Trump, And to your point, I

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Speaker 2: was like, good that Mike Waltz is out. Now we

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Speaker 2: have Marco Ruvio in. That's not really an improvement. And

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Speaker 2: put the next one up on the screen. They're talking

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Speaker 2: about Stephen Miller being the potential replacement for Mike Waltz,

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Speaker 2: and Miller's the guy who in the Signal Gate chat

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Speaker 2: is ultimately sort of the decider and seemed to be

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Speaker 2: the one who was representing the position of the Boss.

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Speaker 2: To your point earlier about I do think that Trump

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Speaker 2: just believes whatever Stephen Miller is telling him with regard

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Speaker 2: to the Alien Enemies Act and what the Supreme Court said.

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Speaker 2: I think he even believed Stephen Miller just telling him like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah that his knuckles totally said MS thirteen, even

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Speaker 2: though it was the most embarrassing photoshop of all time.

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Speaker 2: So in some way, Steven Miller already occupies this position

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Speaker 2: of extraordinary power. But he is I mean, he is

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Speaker 2: an extremist. He has been aggressive about wanting to deport

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Speaker 2: anyone who's pro Palestine. He, like I said, was the

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Speaker 2: one who came in and said, yes, let's bomb yem

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Speaker 2: and let's go forward.

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Speaker 3: We're good with this, this is what the Boss wants, etc.

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Speaker 2: So it certainly doesn't give me any comfort that it

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: would be potentially Stephen Miller occupying this post if they

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Speaker 2: don't just keep it with Rubio indefinitely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I read the Washington Post over the weekend where it

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Speaker 7: basically said that Trump advisors were telling the media that

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Speaker 7: Waltz had stopped serving or working for the president of

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Speaker 7: his country and began working for the president of another country,

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Speaker 7: which isn't quite technically treason, but it has the very

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Speaker 7: core spirit of being that yeah, I remember.

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Speaker 3: Quite traitorous at the very least.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean plotting against your own president by

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 7: consulting and conspiring with a foreign leader. That's like the

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Speaker 7: definition of it. If it had been any other country,

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Speaker 7: people would be immediately understanding of that. But I also thought,

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Speaker 7: like anyone who reads that Washington Post, and Washington was thinking, wow, there,

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Speaker 7: but for the grace of God, go I because when

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Speaker 7: is the last time that was punished conspiring with Israel

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Speaker 7: to advance and prioritize interests, its interest over American interests.

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Speaker 7: But again this I found this encouraging too, Crystal, even

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Speaker 7: though Mark Rubio is his replacement, even though Steven Miller

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Speaker 7: and a bunch of other you know, radical zealous defenders

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Speaker 7: of Israel are very much lurking in high positions of power.

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Speaker 7: Because I think what irritated Trump is not just the

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Speaker 7: disloyalty part of it where he met with that Yahoo

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Speaker 7: kind of behind Trump's back in a way that Trump

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Speaker 7: perceived it, but also you know, obviously he talks to

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Speaker 7: Mike Waltz every day about key foreign policy decisions. That's

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Speaker 7: what that job is, And it seems like every day

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 7: Mike Waltz kept pushing Trump and pushing Trump and pushing

1433
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Speaker 7: Trump to ignore a deal, just saying, forget a deal,

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Speaker 7: it's not even worth it. You can't trust the Iranians.

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Speaker 7: That is the Tom Cotton Lindsay Graham position. And I

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 7: think Trump has decided no, he wants to do a deal.

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Speaker 7: He's going to do everything possible to do a deal.

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Speaker 7: I do think there'll be a war after if they

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 7: don't get one done. But when you have the person

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Speaker 7: next to you pushing you to war, and there's all

1441
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 7: these comments, remember the list trainy comments. He gave big,

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Speaker 7: big speech about MEO cons how there's a pathology in

1443
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 7: Washington of people who just constantly want wars. And I

1444
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 7: think he came to see Mike Waltz as one of

1445
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 7: those people three months late. He's always been that person,

1446
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 7: but I think that in this particular case, it just

1447
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 7: became too much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ukraine Hawks have been kind of smarter about

1449
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: the way they've approached Trumpian psychology, where they like, they're like, oh,

1450
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Speaker 2: you can do this minerals deal with Zelenski.

1451
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 3: It's a deal. You like deals, right, am? I?

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Speaker 1: Right?

1453
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: And it de facto though, acts as a security guarantee

1454
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: and an indefinite US commitment to Ukraine. So Lindsey Graham

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01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: is delighted. He's crafting a new like all out sanctions

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01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: on Russia bill, which I didn't even know there were

1457
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: possible sanctions that we haven't levied together yet. Yeah, exactly,

1458
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, what else can you possibly do? But he's

1459
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: got some ideas. Apparently that's got possibly a filbuster proof

1460
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Speaker 2: majority in the Senate if they choose to bring it up.

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think the uh, I guess the

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Speaker 2: Iranian the the desire for war with Iran was a

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01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: little too aggressively pushed by Mike Waltz. He didn't quite

1464
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: understand the Trumpian psychology and how to handle this appropriately.

1465
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: And apparently he also pissed off Susie Wilds and treated

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01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: her like she was a staffer. And so she was like, Okay, buddy,

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Speaker 2: have fun at the UN Let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 2: to this, this Boycott's bill that I know you've been

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: tracking really closely. In fact, Glenn, why don't you go

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Speaker 2: ahead and set up what this bill was meant to do,

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Speaker 2: because it is, unfortunately in line with some other legislation

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Speaker 2: that has previously been passed into law. Seemed like I

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Speaker 2: had a head of steam co sponsored by Mike Lawler

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Speaker 2: and Josh Geidheimer, so you had bipartisan support, and yet

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Speaker 2: it ended up being, at least for now, they pulled

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Speaker 2: the vote, and looks like APAC may take a rare

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Speaker 2: l on this one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I think that if I just give the brief

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Speaker 7: history of context, I think it's so interesting and so important. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: which is you know how there was just like a

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Speaker 7: whole industry of quote unquote ANTII woke pundits or whatever

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 7: who incessantly focused on college campuses and you're like, why

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01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 7: are you so worried about like college sophomores at over Ruin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little familiar with that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you you've heard a little

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Speaker 7: bit about that, maybe you mentioned it a few times.

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Speaker 7: One of the main reasons if you look at most

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Speaker 7: of those people whose careers were built on that, they're

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Speaker 7: very strong Israel supporters. Israel identified like ten or fifteen

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Speaker 7: years ago that one of the main threats to their

1491
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 7: ability to dominate and repress their neighbors is that there

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 7: was a growing boycott movement centered on American campuses that

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 7: they were afraid of because it was modeled after the

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 7: one in South Africa in the eighties that was driven

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 7: by campus activism and that took down the apartheid regime.

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Speaker 7: And they set out to decide, we have to put

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Speaker 7: an end to this whole idea of advocating a boycott.

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Speaker 7: They got the EU to criminalize advocacy of boycott's as

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Speaker 7: the anti semitic. They got that expanded definition of anti semitism,

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 7: and now they're doing the same thing in the US.

1501
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 7: The thing that always made amazing me Crystal is so

1502
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 7: few people know that in thirty seven American states, mostly

1503
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 7: Red states but not all, it is a requirement if

1504
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 7: you want a contract with the state that you have

1505
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 7: to sign a loyalty O saying you do not support

1506
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 7: and have never participated in a boycott of Israel. You

1507
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 7: can boycott American states or other countries, just not Israel.

1508
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 7: And now that law was the basis for what Trump

1509
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 7: did in a twenty eighteen which is he said it's

1510
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 7: now a felony if a company participates in a boycott

1511
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 7: sponsored by another country that the US government doesn't support.

1512
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 7: So let's say, like Iran wants to boycott Israel, and

1513
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 7: some company participates in that boycott even though the US

1514
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 7: government isn't. That's a felony to do. And now this

1515
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 7: new bill would expand it to include not just government,

1516
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 7: not just led by or advocated by foreign governments, but

1517
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 7: also international organizations, and it would include people who are

1518
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 7: boycotting Israel out of conscience and conviction, and it would

1519
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 7: turn them into felons. And I think, finally, this is

1520
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 7: almost like a bridge too far for a lot of

1521
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 7: people in the Senate, who, by the way, are also

1522
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 7: angry that the HI definition prohibits anybody from saying that

1523
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 7: Jesus participated in the killing of Jews, even though the

1524
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 7: Bible kind of implies that in some ways. Yeah, so

1525
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 7: I think they're kind of going too far.

1526
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: Finally, interesting, let's put let's put see one up on

1527
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 2: the screen. This is from drop site, which did a

1528
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: fantastic job covering this And actually Ryan was saying the

1529
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: amount of social media attraction they got from covering this

1530
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: bill was like extraordinary, So I think there likely was

1531
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: a massive effort, like a huge number of people probably

1532
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: called their congressman, and we're saying do not vote for

1533
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: this bill, and you know, on both sides of the aisle,

1534
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: so I think there might have been a public pushback

1535
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: here that was important too. You can see the Democratic

1536
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 2: co sponsors. You got a handful of them here, Gotttheimer, Moskowitz,

1537
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 2: morel Davis, and Gillen. You have a longer list here

1538
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: of Republican co sponsors, I mean, and the primary sponsor

1539
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: is this guy, Mike Lawler. It's also interesting to me

1540
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: this is a blatantly unconstitutional and extremist bill, and yet

1541
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: Lawler is seen as this quote unquote moderate. He's in

1542
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: a swing district in New York. I think he's very

1543
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: much in jeopardy for election this time around. He's just

1544
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: got re elected, so he's been there a relatively short

1545
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 2: period of time and is the type of district that

1546
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: could easily flip in a wave election year. But in

1547
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 2: any case, you know, I thought this thing was going

1548
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: to sail through, and now they've at least pulled the

1549
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: vote for today. I did not think it would get

1550
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: through the Senate because I didn't think they'd be able

1551
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: to garner enough Democrats to overcome a filibuster. But you

1552
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: did start to get You had Marjorie Tayler Green and

1553
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: can see two up on the screen. She I think

1554
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: was the first person who came out and said, listen,

1555
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to vote for this.

1556
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: I'll be voting no.

1557
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: It is my job to defend Americans' rights to buy

1558
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: or boycott whomever they choose with not the government harshly

1559
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: finding them or prisoning them. But what I don't understand

1560
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 2: is why we are voting on a bill on behalf

1561
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: of other countries and not the president's executives' orders that

1562
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: are for our country. You had Thomas Massey, who has

1563
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 2: been quite principled, you know, when it comes to free speech.

1564
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: He came after Marjorie Taylor Green says I agree, I'll

1565
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: be voting no on this bill as well. And you

1566
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: had Charlie Kirk also chime in and weigh in on

1567
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 2: this debate with his commentary. There was one piece of

1568
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: this that kind of irritated me. But we'll see if

1569
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: you had the same reaction to it, he says. Tomorrow

1570
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: the House will vote on HR. Eight sixty seven, a

1571
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: bill that will criminalize private boycotts of Israel finds up

1572
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: to a million dollars in prison time up to twenty

1573
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 2: years bills like this only create more anti Semitism. I

1574
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 2: think that's true, and play into growing narratives that Israel's

1575
01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 2: running the US government.

1576
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 3: Also so true.

1577
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: In America, you're allowed to hold differing views, You're allowed

1578
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: to disagree in protests. We've allowed far too many people

1579
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: who hate America to move here from abroad. But the

1580
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,879
Speaker 2: right to speak freely is the birthright of all Americans.

1581
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: That's the point that part that annoyed me. Because of

1582
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: courts First Amendment, free speech rights apply to everyone who's here.

1583
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 2: In any case, this bill should not pass. Any Republican

1584
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: that votes for this bill will expose themselves. We will

1585
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: be watching very closely. So I guess I am kind

1586
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 2: of curious what is going on here because if you

1587
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: look at Marjorie Taylor Green's record, if you look at

1588
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's record, Thomas Massey put in a little different category,

1589
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: like they're all on board with kidnapping students off the

1590
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: street for daring to publish an op ed that.

1591
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: Was critical of Israel.

1592
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: It's not like they've been real consistent on the free

1593
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 2: speech part. Marjorie Taylor Green sponsored a Central Resolution against

1594
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: Rashida Talib for daring to participate in pro Palestine protests

1595
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: and called those protests, you know, insurrections. So it's not

1596
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: like she's been principled here. So where do you think

1597
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 2: that this is ultimately coming from?

1598
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 8: You know?

1599
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 7: It was so interesting when when the Ukraine War happened.

1600
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 7: I had a lot of people in Congress who are

1601
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 7: MAGA affiliated or MAGA adjacent, and they were all against

1602
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 7: the Ukraine War. And I would love I did it

1603
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 7: with R. FK. Junior two ones. I would have them

1604
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 7: come on and be like, why against the Ukraine War,

1605
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 7: you know, and they would all say, it's enough. Enough

1606
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 7: is enough with funding the militaries and wars of foreign countries.

1607
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 7: We have so many problems in the United States. We

1608
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 7: can't afford to keep doing this. It's time to cut

1609
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 7: off all these wars that were fighting, that are earned

1610
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 7: in our interest and keep the money at home. And

1611
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 7: I would always say, oh, that's so persuasive. Does that

1612
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 7: apply to the financing and army of Israel as well?

1613
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 7: And of course they would start studying and trying to

1614
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 7: find reasons why somehow they ration out was different, when

1615
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 7: of course it so blatantly wasn't. I think what you're

1616
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 7: starting to say. And there was another Marjorie telling Green

1617
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 7: tweet about Iran, very you know, vocally saying we cannot

1618
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,440
Speaker 7: go to war with Iran. We are sick of supporting

1619
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 7: a fighting wars for other countries in the Rea that

1620
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 7: have huge nuclear arsenals, which obviously means Israel. We're sick

1621
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 7: of fighting words for Israel. You know, chrise if you look.

1622
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 7: And this struck me the other day. Almost every day,

1623
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 7: literally there's some major event that comes from Washington, like

1624
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,520
Speaker 7: a policy initiative or an executive order or a resolution,

1625
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 7: or a press conference or some big social media campaign

1626
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 7: from our politicians in Washington that are all about Israel.

1627
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 7: Like it's every day they talk about Israel. Every day

1628
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 7: they want to do something for Israel. And I do think,

1629
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 7: like those free speech abuses, it's starting to create this backlash, Like,

1630
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 7: wait a minute, I thought our whole movement was about

1631
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 7: America first, Like We're going to focus on the forgotten

1632
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 7: person and the working class and the downtrodden in the

1633
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 7: industrialized cities, and instead we're spending all this time on Israel,

1634
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,919
Speaker 7: in attacking American civil liberties, on behalf of this foreign country.

1635
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 7: And I do think it's starting to create some real resentment,

1636
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,879
Speaker 7: not like in little spaces, but some growing resentment. Rampaul

1637
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 7: a huge speech on the State for about the attacks

1638
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 7: and free speech from thishri Bill, and those are significant.

1639
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 7: Once that starts happening within a movement, many respected and

1640
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 7: influential voices within the movement saying the same thing, it

1641
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 7: can really spread quickly, and let's hope this does.

1642
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: I think you were right to point to that provision

1643
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 2: that you know, Christians really took umbrage at, felt like

1644
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 2: that was constraining what they could say about their own faith.

1645
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 2: But I also think we have to be honest about

1646
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: the fact that there is a growing, like overtly anti

1647
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: Semitic part of the republic. I mean thing I'm thinking

1648
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 2: about nickqwent tests very popular overt Nazi ideology, right, And

1649
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: I wonder I don't want to put that label on

1650
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: like you know, Marjorie Taylor Green or whatever. I don't

1651
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: know what's in our heart, But how do you feel

1652
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: about the fact that there is kind of a horseshoe

1653
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: with people who hold of you like Nick Fuentes and

1654
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: those of us who are trying to be principled about

1655
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: free speech and principled about Hey, let's not like endlessly

1656
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 2: bomb babies. This seems really bad. How do you intellectually

1657
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: gropple with that sort of thing.

1658
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 7: I think this is true of almost every issue, where

1659
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 7: people on the same side of the issue have sometimes

1660
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 7: differing motives or even radically antithetical movement motives. You know,

1661
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 7: you could have people who are concerned about the influx

1662
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 7: of people legally over the border because they're just white

1663
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 7: nationalists and don't want brown people in the country, and

1664
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 7: there are a lot of those, And you can have

1665
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 7: people with like good faith concerns. I mean, like people

1666
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 7: on the left used to worry about how it would

1667
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 7: drive down wages for the American worker, or how it

1668
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 7: would make cities incapable of absorbing them all in a

1669
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 7: humanistic way. And the fact that some people are on

1670
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 7: one side of the debate and who have really malicious

1671
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 7: ideas and others have well intention ideas, I think you

1672
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 7: just have to separate them out. But it doesn't impugne

1673
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 7: the fact that there's this coalition itself. And you know,

1674
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 7: you could say that on the other side of the

1675
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 7: that issue too, people who want open borders were big

1676
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 7: corporate interest and now there's a lot of liberals who

1677
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 7: believe that are not open borders but far less repressive

1678
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 7: and restrict ones. So on the one hand, I get

1679
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 7: what you're saying. And this whole idea of America First,

1680
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 7: you know, goes back to Charles Lindberg and the isolation

1681
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 7: is for World War Two, who thought we were getting

1682
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 7: involved in World War Two because the Jews were kind

1683
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 7: of prompting us to do so. So that is the

1684
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 7: tradition out of which America First non interventionism grows. But

1685
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 7: I also think these people do have a because if

1686
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 7: it were only if they were only applying it to Israel,

1687
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 7: I would say, Okay, this is probably driven by anti Semitism.

1688
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 7: They're also against the US involvement in Ukraine. They think

1689
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 7: that's just as much of a violation of the America

1690
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 7: First ideology that it's globalism. Pretty much, any military invention

1691
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 7: around the intervention around the world, that's how they see it.

1692
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 7: So yes, of course there's lurking anti Semitism, like every

1693
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 7: other bigotry and every faction. I personally don't think that's

1694
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 7: the driving thrust of all of this. I think they're

1695
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 7: starting to make it's becoming unsustainable to keep saying America

1696
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 7: first on the one hand, and keep voting one bill

1697
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 7: after the another in putting attacks on a civil American

1698
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 7: about this one single foreign country.

1699
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it's becoming increasingly unsustainable. With the base, I

1700
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: would say, and we've seen. Look, Republicans are far more

1701
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: supportive of I'm talking about base. Republican voters far more

1702
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: supportive of Israel than Democratic base. But Democrats have basically

1703
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: fully turned on Israel at this point. Some eighty percent

1704
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: or something say we should not be shipping weapons anymore.

1705
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: The real core demographic that still supports this view are

1706
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 2: basically boomer Republicans. But even among Republicans, there's been a

1707
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: shift in public sentiment. And I do think that there

1708
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: is power in It's just so brazenly incompatible to say

1709
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 2: I'm America first, and yet I spend all my time

1710
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: thinking about talking about and passing legislation for the nation

1711
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 2: of Israel and hanging to it or where an IDF

1712
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: soldier uniformed into the halls of Congress or whatever you know,

1713
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: like it. Just I think from a public perspective, it's

1714
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 2: very hard to sustain that position, and so I do

1715
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: think you see some representatives who are having to bend

1716
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 2: some to that reality. I'm just you know, on a

1717
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: whole I'm just much more cynical about these people, just

1718
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: based on the track record. Yeah, I mean, they're still

1719
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: all voting for more weaponshipments to Israel in lockstep, like

1720
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: there is no dissent on that whatsoever. They're all on

1721
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 2: board with, Hey, let's just disappear any college student who

1722
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 2: participated in a protest we don't like, Let's just disappear

1723
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: and detain them and deport them and do whatever we

1724
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: can and attack the universities in this like in this

1725
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: the ultra the Wokesters could never have dreamed of the

1726
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: authoritary tactics being used to constrain speech at universities in

1727
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 2: defense of this one supposedly oppressed minority group, right, And

1728
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: so I just don't see anything approaching a consistent principle

1729
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 2: being applied here, which is why it's almost confusing to

1730
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: me that there was any descent on this bill whatsoever.

1731
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 3: And I didn't expect it.

1732
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, just on that stuff. I mean, if

1733
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 7: you listen to Israel supporters and the way they argue,

1734
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 7: they have verbatim copied the script that they were kind

1735
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 7: of the character of the script of the woke left

1736
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 7: that they had spent years mocking, you.

1737
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: Know, in this one minority victim group.

1738
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, save spaces. They had that like twenty two year

1739
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 7: old's college kid come from the universityild I am not

1740
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 7: safe while I stood by Mike Johnson, you know, hate

1741
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 7: speech codes to protect this minority group. Plus like the

1742
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 7: instant resorting to calling everybody a racist and bigot the

1743
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 7: minute you disagree. This is all like woke caricature of

1744
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 7: woke one oh one that they've been mocking that they

1745
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 7: now adopt completely. That said, you know, you mentioned these polls,

1746
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 7: and there's clearly a very substantial decline which we haven't

1747
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 7: seen in decades in American support for Israel. And while yes,

1748
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 7: a big part of that is due to almost uniform

1749
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 7: Democratic reversal on this, a big part of it as

1750
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 7: well are younger Republicans, Republicans under the age of fifty,

1751
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 7: who have had a massive jump. I think it's now

1752
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 7: a majority of people who say they disapprove of Israel

1753
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 7: is really just it's like older Fox News watching Republicans

1754
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 7: who still have maintained their support for Israel. And if

1755
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 7: there's one thing politicians know it's public opinions, so I'm

1756
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 7: sure they go to their town halls and are constantly

1757
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 7: asked about this. Of Apak is not going to disappear overnight,

1758
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 7: the Israeli lobby is not going to disappear overnight, nor

1759
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 7: is these decades long dogmas about how we have to

1760
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:24,799
Speaker 7: protect Israel. But I do think that these things happen gradually,

1761
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 7: you know, through these incremental changes. And then also I

1762
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 7: do think once people get desperate, like once Israel supporters

1763
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 7: really believe they're losing the debate, they resort to increasingly

1764
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 7: extreme tactics like censorship and other things in a desperate

1765
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 7: hope to win, and it fuels the backlash.

1766
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's right. And so you have

1767
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: two key constituencies apparently supporting Israel in lockstep right now.

1768
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 2: That would be Boomer Republicans watching Fox News. So this

1769
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: is an extraordinary piece from New York mag. Obviously, Senator

1770
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: John Patterman Pennsylvania wins. Is this kind of progressive every champion.

1771
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: You know, this is someone I was excited about seeing

1772
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: in the Senate. He positioned himself as a kind of

1773
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: like Bernie Sanders adjacent mayor of a steel town, declining

1774
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: steel town, et cetera great profile. Then tragically, during his

1775
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: campaign suffers a pretty severe stroke, is still able to

1776
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: defeat doctor Oz even after having a debate performance which

1777
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: was very clear this stroke had significantly affected him, and

1778
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 2: then once he gets into the Senate, his politics almost

1779
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: completely change. Now in fairness on Israel, and Ryan did

1780
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: all the reporting on this, he had even before the

1781
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: stroke been like, I'm pro Israel. And by the way,

1782
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 2: you know APAC and your affiliated groups, just tell me

1783
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: what you want me to say.

1784
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it.

1785
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 2: Because he wanted to also make sure that they didn't

1786
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: get involved against him in his primary with Connor Lamb,

1787
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 2: who seemed like he could be a strong challenger in

1788
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: that Democratic primary at this point. But you know, we're

1789
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: just talking about members of Congress who seemed to spend

1790
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 2: all their time thinking about this foreign nation. And Richitaas

1791
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 2: and this guy are like pac in point number one

1792
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: and number two. So let's put this article up on

1793
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: the screen. Because some of Fetterman's staffers decided to speak

1794
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: to New York Magazine about what they are seeing behind

1795
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: the scenes. And you know, if you take them at

1796
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 2: their word, they're basically describing another health cover up, kind

1797
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 2: of akin to what we saw with regard to Joe Biden,

1798
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 2: where the stroke did really change his personality, made his

1799
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 2: views more extreme. Also have created, you know, this pattern

1800
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: of really erratic and frankly dangerous behavior at the headline

1801
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: here all by himself, John Fetterman insists he is in

1802
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: good health, but staffers pass and present say they no

1803
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: longer recognize the man they once knew, They say. His

1804
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred word email this is Fetterman's, came with the

1805
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: subject line concerns contained a list of them. Sorry, this

1806
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 2: is one of his staffers who was sending an email

1807
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: of their concerns. From the seemingly mundane, he eats fast

1808
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 2: food multiple times a day to the scary, we do

1809
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: not know if he is taking his meds, and his

1810
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 2: behavior frequently suggests he is not. Often see the kind

1811
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: of warning signs we discussed. Gentlelsen wrote Conspiratorial Thinking Megalomania.

1812
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: For example, he claims to be the most knowledgeable source

1813
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: on Israel and Gaza around, but his sources are just

1814
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: what he reads in the news. He declines most briefings,

1815
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 2: never reads memos high high as low lows, long, rambling,

1816
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 2: repetitive and self centered monologues, lying in ways that are painfully,

1817
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: awkwardly obvious to everyone in the room. It's got to

1818
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: put the next piece up on the screen. Members of

1819
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 2: his team told this journalist this was an early warning

1820
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 2: sign that something was off with their boss. In early

1821
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: February twenty twenty three, after Fetterman had indeed been sworn in,

1822
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: members of the Senate gathered the Library of Congress for

1823
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: a caucus retreat. Betterman, fresh off a hard fought victory

1824
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 2: in the Cycles Marquis Race, should have been riding high,

1825
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 2: only he wasn't. Stafford recalled getting a text from a

1826
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: person the retreat asking if their boss was okay. Betterman

1827
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 2: was sitting at a table by himself, slowly sipping a

1828
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: coke and refusing to talk with anybody. Later that day,

1829
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: another staffer heard an alarming report from a journalist Betterman

1830
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: had just walked obliviously into the row and was nearly

1831
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: struck by a car. Fetterman went on to make statements

1832
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: that shock people. In opposing a ceasefire. With regards to Gaza,

1833
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: he said, let's get back to killing. Person who heard

1834
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: the conversation told me, he said, kill them all. In

1835
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: a statement, Fetterman denied the account, adding any reference to

1836
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: killing was solely about Hamas and I do support the

1837
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: destruction of that organization down to its last member and Glenn.

1838
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 2: In another part of this article, they describe his wife

1839
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 2: being in tears. You know, she's a sort of liberal humanitarian.

1840
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 2: She was upset over his position on Israel and Gaza,

1841
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: to the point of, you know, being quite emotional about

1842
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: it and saying, listen, they're bombing babies. You can't have

1843
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 2: this position.

1844
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 1: Now.

1845
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: She denies that there's been any changes in his health status,

1846
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: but when you read the details here, including of his

1847
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 2: stay at Walter Reed, you come away with a quite

1848
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 2: clear impression that he is not well, that it's impacted

1849
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: his ability to serve his constituents, that it has fundamentally

1850
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: changed his positioning and his approach to a number of

1851
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: issues that voters elected him, you know, to have a

1852
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 2: certain ideological viewpoint.

1853
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 7: On Yeah, you know, just to address the leading example

1854
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 7: you raised, of course, it is true that you know,

1855
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two and elsewhere, Feedeman sort of gave

1856
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 7: lip service to the idea that he was in favor

1857
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 7: of Israel, I think most people understand that if you

1858
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 7: want to win statewide office, especially in a state like

1859
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 7: Pennsylvania where there's a very heavy pro Jewish pro a

1860
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 7: Jewish contingent pro Israel contingent, you can't just be like

1861
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 7: waving a Palestinian flag. So I think people kind of

1862
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 7: dismissed that. But what we've seen from him is not

1863
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 7: just like sort of pro Israel lip service, but like

1864
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 7: almost like a psychotic joy in seeing the destruction, wanting

1865
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 7: it to continue, on top of an extremely hostile posture

1866
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 7: to anybody who raises it with him. You know, he

1867
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 7: tries to be just as kind of offensive and alienating

1868
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 7: as possible in the ways that he speaks, which I

1869
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 7: don't think was the John Fetterman that we saw regularly

1870
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 7: prior to this stroke. I'm always a little hepotant to

1871
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 7: comment in someone's mental health or or psychological state, in

1872
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 7: part because I'm not a professional, but also because it's

1873
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 7: hard to assess people from a distance, but I do.

1874
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 7: It is so interesting to me, you know, when he

1875
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 7: had that stroke, every Republican I know was saying, you know,

1876
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 7: he's a vegetable, how can he possibly run yet alone win?

1877
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 7: And the minute he comes out and says I'm a

1878
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 7: big supporter of Israel. They're all like, Wow, his brain recuperated.

1879
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 7: He's one of the most sensible people in all of Washington.

1880
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 7: That really is all it takes to cure your mental

1881
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 7: health and still problems.

1882
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'll tell you.

1883
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 2: I have to say, Glenn, I hear you on like

1884
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: being reluctant to comment on someone's mental Like I'm also

1885
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 2: not an expert, but I feel less that way post

1886
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 2: Biden because the like, if you're hiding from us, what

1887
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 2: your capacity is, that has a direct impact on all

1888
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 2: of us. I mean, not just constituents. Pennsylvania senators are

1889
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,879
Speaker 2: very powerful individuals. He has become an extremely prominent voice,

1890
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 2: held up by people like Bill Maher as a potential

1891
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: presidential canon. Now I think that's preposterous because much of

1892
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: the Democratic base hates this guy at this point. But

1893
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 2: you know, so That's why I don't I don't have

1894
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: any reluctance about it because I think there has been

1895
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 2: such an inclination among both parties, but in particular Democrats

1896
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 2: have had some of the worst examples lately. If you

1897
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 2: think about Feinstein, if you think about Biden as well,

1898
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 2: of trying to cover the reality of members and the

1899
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 2: president himself who were in decline, who were really not

1900
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: capable of fully functioning in the job. And I think

1901
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 2: it's an outrage to democracy, and I think it's an

1902
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: outrage to you know, Americans who deserve capable representation.

1903
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 7: No, it's a great point. I mean, I think the

1904
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 7: hiding of Biden's cogetive of the client, even though the

1905
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 7: entire public side saw it, the hiding of it within

1906
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 7: the DC press and political so of the Democratic Party

1907
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 7: is is a massive scandal. And it's one of the

1908
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 7: reasons why presidents have a duty to dispose their medical records,

1909
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 7: because of course it is relevant. And then it's the

1910
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 7: same for senators. I think the only difference I would

1911
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 7: put there is that the reason Americans concluded that Biden

1912
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 7: had those problems was because they sow it for themselves.

1913
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 7: And we've seen some public, publicly disturbing behavior from Fetterman.

1914
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 7: There was that you know, video circle circulating of him

1915
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 7: refusing to put on a seat belt and God and

1916
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 7: giving aggressive about it. Yeah, but no, I agree, it's

1917
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 7: it's a it's a huge issue, and I think you

1918
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 7: can see major changes in fetterman.

1919
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 2: And I mean he fell asleep behind the wheel. He

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Speaker 2: fell asleep behind the wheel coming.

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Speaker 7: Back and killed somebody and almost killed.

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Speaker 2: Somebody, right not to mention like himself and his wife

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Speaker 2: who was in the back seat after insisting his staff

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Speaker 2: tried to insist on picking him up from the airport.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: direct seems like a direct safety risk, but also obviously

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Speaker 2: has consequence in terms of a public policy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just like to see, like somebody of professionals,

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Speaker 7: like you know, examine him or I do think it

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Speaker 7: warrants you know. I don't think we should just forget

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Speaker 7: about it and be like, oh that's not a business

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Speaker 7: or we don't we're not capable. It is alarming, and

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Speaker 7: you can see it in some ways. And like I said,

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Speaker 7: the way he talks about Israel to me that in

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Speaker 7: and of itself is some sort of mental health problem.

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Speaker 7: Like it's one thing to say I support Israel, I

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Speaker 7: care deeply for the Palestinian civilians, this needs to end, whatever,

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Speaker 7: But he talks about it with this like glee that

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Speaker 7: Palestinians are being killed, not just a moss but in

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Speaker 7: the most horrific ways possible, and that to me is

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Speaker 7: mentally disturbing.

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Speaker 2: Let me see it gets your reaction to Simone Sanders

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Speaker 2: D three get guys put up on the screen. So

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Speaker 2: you know, she's gone from being a paid spokes political

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Speaker 2: spokesperson and operative to now a quote unquote journalist over

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Speaker 2: at MSNBC. And she's reacting to this, she says, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you care about someone you know them,

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Speaker 2: personally airing your grievances in the page of the paper

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Speaker 2: just doesn't sit right with me. But to each their own,

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Speaker 2: I guess. And then she got pushed back from a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, but Josh Barrow in particular, she responded to,

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Speaker 2: is put D four up on the screen here as

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Speaker 2: well as she says, here's the thing, Josh, I'm consistent

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Speaker 2: and consistently I have the soul of giving people dignity

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Speaker 2: my fall up questions as did or did Sharif Street,

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Speaker 2: the chair of the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania know about this?

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Speaker 3: Was Schumer aware?

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Speaker 2: Senate leadership alerted, I'm not saying no one should say anything. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: that's a wilful misread of my statement. Why I am saying,

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Speaker 2: is how one goes about it matters. Ben did his

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Speaker 2: job as a journalist. But the staff who seemed to

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Speaker 2: say their only recourse was Ben terras, I'm not buying it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm fine to have my opinion about that. Lastly,

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Speaker 2: not sure why you felt the need to attack me

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Speaker 2: because of what I used to do. Regardless, that says

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Speaker 2: more about you than me. So basically, she's saying, you

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Speaker 2: should have raised these concerns with Chuck Schumer. But if

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Speaker 2: the problems are as severe as is being depicted here,

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Speaker 2: there's no one in the Democratic caucus who doesn't know

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Speaker 2: there are issues, and none of them has chosen to

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Speaker 2: do anything or say anything because you know, it's a

1973
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania swing state seat, difficult to win, etc. So, and

1974
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Speaker 2: he's more or less a reliable Democrat vote, so they

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Speaker 2: just kept their mouths shut.

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Speaker 7: I think, I actually think there's a big problem with media.

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Speaker 7: You know, we've always had like people who were in

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Speaker 7: government sort of migrate sometimes to media. Bill Moyers was

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Speaker 7: the press secretary from Lyndon Johnson and became, you know,

1980
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Speaker 7: a great television journalist. It's noting it can't happen. The

1981
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Speaker 7: problem is with the dominance of cable news in twenty

1982
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Speaker 7: four to seven coverage, that's pretty much all you have.

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Speaker 7: And then so many times people who have been political

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Speaker 7: hacks or parties spokespeople in apparatics or government officials end

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Speaker 7: up not just appearing on these networks but as hosts.

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Speaker 7: So now they're supposed to have a much different role.

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Speaker 7: But you know, you look at Jen Saki or Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 7: there's plenty of them on Fox. They're exactly this same.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I listened to Gen Saki. It sounds like

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Speaker 7: she's giving White House, you know, press prefings, and of

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Speaker 7: course Simone Sanders is there as a Democratic Party representative.

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Speaker 7: And the idea that if you have somebody like this

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Speaker 7: in your cauctus, it's fine to talk about it privately

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Speaker 7: but not publicly is such except it's such contempt for

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Speaker 7: the American people, you know, like we close ranks, we

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Speaker 7: cover things up, and especially after watching what happened with

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Speaker 7: Biden and how destroyed how you know, credibility that destroyed,

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Speaker 7: destroying that was for Democrats and the election in the media,

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Speaker 7: it's amazing they sell think that way.

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Speaker 2: I know, it really is incredible, and it does speak

2001
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Speaker 2: to you a problem specifically of like, you know, I

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Speaker 2: have no problem. I have a perspective. You have a perspective.

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Speaker 2: I think we're pretty upfront about that. But if you've

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Speaker 2: been paid to be, you know, an operative for a

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Speaker 2: specific political party and you're still close with the people

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Speaker 2: that are that's where you really start to have these

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Speaker 2: you know, these issues, and you know you see it

2008
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Speaker 2: with the crossover with Fox News. You see it with

2009
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Speaker 2: the crossover with MSNBC in particular, and I think it

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Speaker 2: comes out here. I mean the instinct to care, I

2011
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Speaker 2: get it on like a human level, but the instinct

2012
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Speaker 2: to think that like protecting the feelings of Joe Biden

2013
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Speaker 2: was more important than defeating Trump if that's your view,

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Speaker 2: or you know, of advocating for issues that you're not

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Speaker 2: going to be able to if there's not a Democrat

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Speaker 2: in the White House, or just the interest of public,

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Speaker 2: the public having transpad garancy around what's going on with

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Speaker 2: the President of the United States, then I think you've

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Speaker 2: got your your priorities pretty screwed up for someone who

2020
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Speaker 2: is holding themselves down as like a neutral journalist and analysts.

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Speaker 3: At this point, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to get to one last story here with with

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Speaker 2: you Glenn before we let you go, because I think

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Speaker 2: this is extraordinary, and you know, I'm just really interested

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Speaker 2: what you think about it. So Claudie Schenbaum, who's the

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Speaker 2: very popular president of Mexico, who Trump seems to for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, kind of like we could put her image

2028
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Speaker 2: up on the screen here. She recently confirmed that Trump

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Speaker 2: had generously offered to deploy US troops in Mexico in

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Speaker 2: order to combat the cartels. She said no, and told

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Speaker 2: him Mexico's sovereignty is inviolable and it is not for sale.

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Speaker 2: We will never accept a US military presence in our territory.

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Speaker 2: This is something that Trump and this is part of

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five. A lot of Republicans have been

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Speaker 2: talking about, Hey, we're going to designate the cartels as

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Speaker 2: terrorists and then we're going to be able to use

2037
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Speaker 2: these powers that presidents have grabbed Post nine to eleven

2038
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Speaker 2: in order to basic wage war without having to get

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Speaker 2: permission of Congress. Trump also yesterday evening confirmed that he

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Speaker 2: had made this generous offer to Mexico. Let's go ahead

2041
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Mexico is saying that I offered, you said, US troops

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Speaker 8: into Mexico to.

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Speaker 7: Take care of the cartels. He wants to know, isn't

2045
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Speaker 7: that true? Do you think I'm going to.

2046
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Speaker 8: Answer that question.

2047
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Speaker 7: I will answer it. It's true, absolutely, Youcani, they should be.

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Speaker 8: They are horrible people that have been killing people left

2049
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Speaker 8: and right, that have been they made a fortunate selling

2050
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Speaker 8: drugs and destroying our people. We lost three hundred thousand

2051
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Speaker 8: people last year, two fitted all in drugs. The man knows, Yeah,

2052
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Speaker 8: that's true. If Mexico wanted help with the cartels, we

2053
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Speaker 8: would be honored to go in and do it. I

2054
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Speaker 8: told her that I would be honored to go in

2055
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Speaker 8: and do it. The cartels had tried to destroy our country.

2056
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Speaker 8: They're evil, and you know, we had three hundred thousand

2057
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Speaker 8: people died last year from.

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Speaker 2: End and all in all, what do you make of

2059
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Speaker 2: all that? Glennon in particular, that connect to the War

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Speaker 2: on Terror.

2061
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Speaker 7: Is an obvious replica of the War on Terror. Right

2062
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Speaker 7: that we've identify these groups, these kind of shady transnational

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Speaker 7: groups not part of the government, but that are in

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Speaker 7: certain countries, and then we just go in a way

2065
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Speaker 7: to war supposedly on those groups. That ends up being

2066
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Speaker 7: a war in that country. You know, and of course

2067
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Speaker 7: it would have all the same failures. Have been extremely

2068
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Speaker 7: well armed groups, like way more well armed than the Taliban,

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Speaker 7: and we couldn't win after fighting the Taliban for twenty years.

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Speaker 7: I think the broader issue here is this is a

2071
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Speaker 7: difference with Trump point two point zero, is that he's

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Speaker 7: so high on his own victory, his stature in the world,

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Speaker 7: that when he speaks, he really does speak as if

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Speaker 7: he's kind of the leader of the world. Like he

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Speaker 7: talks about, you know, he said, I want this, I

2076
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Speaker 7: want this, I want this, Panama, Greenland, ecent ter of Canada.

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Speaker 7: But also when he talks about like getting the war

2078
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Speaker 7: in in Ukraine, he'll say, Boutin needs to change this.

2079
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Speaker 7: I don't like this, and then he'll turn around and

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Speaker 7: tied the Ukrainians so that they're all competing for his approval.

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Speaker 7: And this mentality is really alarming, Like we want to

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Speaker 7: go do this in Mexico, they better say yes. And

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Speaker 7: I think the requirement of absolute loyalty to Donald Trump

2084
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Speaker 7: inside the White House makes all of that so much

2085
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Speaker 7: worse because he just gets that reinforced every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. I also think the Supreme

2087
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Speaker 2: Court immunity decision probably makes him feel more yolo as well. Certainly,

2088
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Speaker 2: the efforts that were made in the off season to

2089
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Speaker 2: strip away any of the factors of resistance that previously

2090
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Speaker 2: stood in his way. I mean, that was their learning

2091
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Speaker 2: from Trump one point zero was basically like, you know,

2092
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Speaker 2: we didn't go far enough, we didn't indulge Trump's instincts enough.

2093
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Speaker 2: And so the Republican movement, not just Trump, but the

2094
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Speaker 2: Republican movement really set out on an explicit project to

2095
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Speaker 2: make sure that would not be the case this time around.

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Speaker 2: And so this bombing the cartel's policy flows directly out

2097
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Speaker 2: of that. And we could put this next piece up

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Speaker 2: on the screen as well, which is also extremely troubling.

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Speaker 2: So they are exploring labeling some suspected cartel and gang

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Speaker 2: members inside the US as quote unquote enemy combatants. Me

2101
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Speaker 2: just read a little bit of this article. So they

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Speaker 2: say this is a possible way to detain these individuals

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Speaker 2: more easily and limit their ability to challenge their imprisonment.

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Speaker 2: According to multiple people with knowledge, the enemy combatant designation

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Speaker 2: could also be applied to suspected narco terras outside the US,

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Speaker 2: The people said, as a way to potentially give the

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Speaker 2: US justification to conduct lethal strikes against them. And so

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Speaker 2: this reads to me, Glenn as basically the courts have

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Speaker 2: struck down the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act. I

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Speaker 2: do suspect when that ultimately gets to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: they are probably also going to say this was an

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Speaker 2: improper invocation on the merits. But in addition, they've been

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Speaker 2: blocked from continuing to use this in various jurisdictions. The

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court has said, you have to to facilitate release,

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Speaker 2: you have to give some form of reasonable notice and

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Speaker 2: due process, even for the individuals who you want to

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Speaker 2: be able to sweep up in this. So they're saying, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: that pathway is maybe not really working out, so instead

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Speaker 2: we'll use this enemy combatants designation to do a different

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Speaker 2: and run around the Constitution and not provide any sort

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Speaker 2: of due process. Expanding on some of the actions that

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Speaker 2: were taken, you know, starting in the Bush administration and

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Speaker 2: all this of course comes in the context of their

2124
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Speaker 2: analysis of who is a suspected alien enemy. Who is

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Speaker 2: a suspected Cartelo gang member could be something as simple

2126
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Speaker 2: as like a tattoo or that you hail from a

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Speaker 2: certain part of Venezuela or they suspect you do.

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Speaker 7: You know this, Crystal is why I have been so

2129
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Speaker 7: nauseated and disgusted by that whole never Trump movement that

2130
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 7: came out of the Bush Cheney faction that did so

2131
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Speaker 7: much of the war on Terror is because so much

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Speaker 7: of what they claim to dislike about Trump, beyond like

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Speaker 7: the decorum and co departmental or ethical issues, is a

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Speaker 7: replica of exactly what they did. This all sounds so

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Speaker 7: familiar to me. I spent years and wrote books on

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Speaker 7: all these issues, you know. I remember David Frump had

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Speaker 7: to cover story in the Atlantic and it was something

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Speaker 7: a huge picture of Trump and it said like, this

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Speaker 7: is how authoritarianism is created. And I was like, is

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Speaker 7: that like a playbook from your knowledge in the Trump

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Speaker 7: in the Bush administration, because these are all the things

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Speaker 7: that you did. A lot of this did get some restraint,

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Speaker 7: but it is true. They're playing on a vulnerability in

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Speaker 7: American in American politics, which you referenced earlier, that the

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court becomes extra deferential to the president when he

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Speaker 7: has claims of national security and war and we're waging

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Speaker 7: you know, we're in a war. An enemy combatant is

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Speaker 7: who we're killing, because it basically eliminates all constraints and

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Speaker 7: it has all the same problems, all the same damages,

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Speaker 7: all the threats to liberty that the War on Terror had,

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Speaker 7: and if you add on top of that, like an

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Speaker 7: actual military action with our southern neighbor in Mexico that

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Speaker 7: they don't want, that would be one of the gravest

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Speaker 7: violations of sovereignty in many years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. What would it take for you to

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Speaker 2: forgive the number Trumper's Glenn? What would they need to do?

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Speaker 7: You know, every religion, every ethical system teaches that a

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Speaker 7: prerequisite to forgiveness is an admission of guilt and an

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Speaker 7: apology for it. None of them have done that with

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Speaker 7: respect to these issues. I'm not saying they didn't say,

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Speaker 7: oh yeah, the Rack War was improperly executed, but with

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Speaker 7: all the whole other Guantanamo torture, et cetera, unitary president,

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Speaker 7: none that I know have acknowledged that or that they're

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Speaker 7: that they caused a lot of the problems. Now, so

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Speaker 7: I think forgiveness should be you know, kind of off limits.

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Speaker 2: We need like a bush, then we needed like bushare

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Speaker 2: our Truth and Reconciliation Commission for them to come clean

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Speaker 2: admit their sins so we can move forward.

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Speaker 7: We have to look forward, not backwards. So we never

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Speaker 7: got that.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, next time, Next time, maybe, Glenn, anything

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Speaker 2: else that you're taking a look at that you want

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Speaker 2: people to be aware of today.

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Speaker 7: No, I think you did a great job covering it

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Speaker 7: as you probab. I mean, we're going to find some

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Speaker 7: Glen issues and I think you did an excellent job

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Speaker 7: of doing that. So no, I feel like we cover.

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Speaker 1: The gambit all right.

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Speaker 3: Glenn, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it's always fun getting your perspective and

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Speaker 2: just a pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: You know I love the show, so I'm really happy

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Speaker 7: to be here. Thanks for asking my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So we are very excited to be joined by Anthony Klan,

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Speaker 2: who is an independent journalist. He's the editor of The

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Speaker 2: Clackson Down in Australia to break down some pretty stunning

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Speaker 2: election results there.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Anthony.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so a lot of people are saying

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Speaker 2: that a lot of echoes of what just happened in

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Speaker 2: Australia with what previously happened in Canada sort of a

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Speaker 2: come from behind in your case, really landslide victory for

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Speaker 2: the incumbent party, the center left party, big disappointment from

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Speaker 2: Conservatives who had previously seemed like they could surge and

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Speaker 2: pull off a victory. Not only that the leader of

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Speaker 2: the Conservative Party confusingly Liberal party in Australia. But in

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Speaker 2: any case, Peter Dunton, just like Pierre Pauliev in Canada,

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Speaker 2: actually lost his own seat. That's how bad the jobbing was.

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Speaker 2: So just set up the dynamics here and give us

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Speaker 2: a sort of top level view of what happened.

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Speaker 12: Of course, so the election, the federal election. Australia's federal

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Speaker 12: election was held on Saturday. The leading the government of

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Speaker 12: the days the Labor Party, which is sort of center left.

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Speaker 12: It's been in power for three years. The center right Party,

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Speaker 12: much the same as Canada, was the opposition it came

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Speaker 12: in It was, it had quite strong, it was quite

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Speaker 12: strong in the polls. It was looking like it was

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Speaker 12: quite a good contender and perhaps even going to win

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Speaker 12: in around November December, about the time that Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: came to power, and very similar to us we saw

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Speaker 12: in Canada, which was also a center right opposition. The

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Speaker 12: party sort of slumped in the polls over the early

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Speaker 12: part of the year and particularly part of the campaign,

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Speaker 12: the electoral campaign the opposition he did particularly poorly. But

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Speaker 12: it was an absolute drubbing. It was blood on the streets.

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Speaker 12: It's an electoral wipeout. So there's sort of questions at

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Speaker 12: the moment in Australia regarding the future of this Conservative Party.

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Speaker 12: Obviously it's still going to be there, but it's the

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Speaker 12: number of seats has just been pretty much wiped out.

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Speaker 12: So we saw obviously, we saw in Canada the Conservative

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Speaker 12: Party there was unsuccessful and that the leader lost his seat,

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Speaker 12: same as in Australia. It's actually been quite a bit

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Speaker 12: worse than Canada. There was talk of the government, current

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Speaker 12: government in Australia being forced into a minority government rather

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Speaker 12: than a majority of government. But it's a majority government

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Speaker 12: and by a long way by about twenty seats, so

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Speaker 12: it's been quite quite the outcome.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead, guys.

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Speaker 2: Input off one up on the screen its ad tear

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Speaker 2: sheet of one of the articles your outlet wrote in

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Speaker 2: advance of the election. You said coalition as the opposition

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Speaker 2: party headed for disaster, worst result in eighty years.

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Speaker 3: According to this Yugo Paul.

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Speaker 2: Of course, US Americans love to think that everything is

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Speaker 2: about us, but it does seem like Trump's policies and

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Speaker 2: a backlash tos such did some reverberations in terms of

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Speaker 2: this election, So help us understand how significant those dynamics were.

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Speaker 12: For sure, So there's quite a few issues at play here.

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Speaker 12: So it wasn't just this the Trump effects as they're

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Speaker 12: as they're calling it, but it definitely had a substantial impact.

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Speaker 12: And it's difficult to know exactly what caused people to

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Speaker 12: vote on the day, but clearly, I think over the

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Speaker 12: President Trump's first one hundred days since inauguration, you've seen

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Speaker 12: international markets, stock markets royaled a lot of uncertainty, and

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Speaker 12: in those situations, people have voted for the incumbency, voted

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Speaker 12: for the existing government whoever concerns with that sort of instability.

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Speaker 12: In the threats, it was also raised quite a lot

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Speaker 12: regarding President Trump's threats against Canada regarding tariffs. But also

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Speaker 12: you know, the sort of the talk around annexing and

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Speaker 12: that sort of thing made a lot of Australians a

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Speaker 12: bit nervous thinking, Look, you know, we're a very close

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Speaker 12: partner with the US, as is Canada. You know this

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Speaker 12: could be US, So I think that had quite a

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Speaker 12: big impact. It's also noteworthy the opposition leader here, he

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Speaker 12: was very keen towards the end of last year, sort

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Speaker 12: of set up to this sort of maga side of

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Speaker 12: things making America great again. He was sort of very

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Speaker 12: quite happy to be associated with that as the winds

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Speaker 12: were to his back and to Donald Trump's back. But

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Speaker 12: then as things sort of started to fall apart a

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Speaker 12: bit and the wheels sort of started to fall off

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Speaker 12: in the US regarding some of the more extreme statements

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Speaker 12: from the president, we've seen that our opposition party sort

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Speaker 12: of trying to backpedal a bit and sort of said, oh, look,

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Speaker 12: well no, we're different. But by then it was very

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Speaker 12: much in train. One particular noteworthy point during the campaign

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Speaker 12: was we had the opposition leader standing next to a

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Speaker 12: senator from his party and he sent it and said,

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Speaker 12: look i'm here.

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Speaker 7: She said, i'm here.

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Speaker 12: I want to make Australia great again. And that sort

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Speaker 12: of caused quite an issue because it was you know,

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Speaker 12: that's maga right there, and she immediately said, look, no,

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Speaker 12: it's not me. The media is obsessed with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 12: and within twenty four hours. There was a photo of

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Speaker 12: her with a Make America Great Again cap holding a

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Speaker 12: miniature Donald Trump that surfaced from a few months before.

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Speaker 12: So that was an interesting.

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Speaker 2: Point to the point of who's obsessed with her with

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Speaker 2: that one? Well, it is interesting because you know, with Canada, obviously,

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Speaker 2: like you were saying, the threats have been really over,

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Speaker 2: you know, Canada and US huge trading partners, and especially

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Speaker 2: the threats to invade annex Canada as the fifty first state.

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Speaker 2: Really obviously Canadians were not thrilled about that, and anyone

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Speaker 2: who seemed like they were even tangentially associated with Trump

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Speaker 2: and his politics then sort of, you know, paid a

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Speaker 2: price for that. You know. I was listening to some

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Speaker 2: Australia voters talk about why they voted the way that

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Speaker 2: they did, and certainly the roiling of the markets and

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Speaker 2: the way that's affecting people's you know, uh, market accounts,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. That was certainly a part of it, but

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Speaker 2: it also just seemed like a general reaction against what

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Speaker 2: was perceived to be an extreme direction from the US.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you could tease some of those things

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Speaker 2: out as well. What were some of the things that

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Speaker 2: Australians felt were coming from the US that were contrary

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Speaker 2: to their values.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, for sure. Look, I think so of this this

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01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 12: conservative populism, and there was quite a it was going

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Speaker 12: it was taking off quite well. There's quite a bit

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Speaker 12: of it going on last year, but it's often it's

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Speaker 12: difficult to tell. The polls were reflecting that the public

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Speaker 12: wasn't as adverse to it as the actual electoral outcome states,

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Speaker 12: but I think people were increasingly uneasy about this sort

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Speaker 12: of this populism and this sort of extreme right wing,

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Speaker 12: extreme right wing activity, as well as there's a lot

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Speaker 12: of US style sort of disinformation groups, AstroTurf groups whatever

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Speaker 12: you want to call them, that are sort of set

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Speaker 12: up and pretend to be grassroots movements of ordinary Australians,

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Speaker 12: when in fact they're sort of run by fossil fuels

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Speaker 12: entities and sort of bad actors pretending to be someone

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Speaker 12: there not. So we've seen a lot of that surfacing

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Speaker 12: in Australia the past twelve months particularly, and I think

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Speaker 12: people have become increasingly aware of that. And we obviously

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Speaker 12: have much smaller market in Australia, so when you have

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Speaker 12: this sort of activity happening it's easier when it is

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Speaker 12: called out. It's easier for the broader public to see

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Speaker 12: what's going on. Because we're much smaller, there's many fewer

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Speaker 12: moving parts. So I think a lot of that's played

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Speaker 12: a part as well. People have looked at some of

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Speaker 12: the issues in Australia. We have very similar issues going

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Speaker 12: on as on the East coast of the US there

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Speaker 12: in particularly regarding offshore wind turbines. Now quite a few

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Speaker 12: studies and experts have been looking into this area. We're

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Speaker 12: finding a lot of disinformation groups are AstroTurf groups in

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Speaker 12: the US that have sort of been pretending to be

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Speaker 12: environmental groups but are actually fossil fueled back fighting against

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Speaker 12: these offshore wind turbines, obviously because fossil fuels want to

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Speaker 12: continue their business model. A lot of those same groups,

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Speaker 12: same entities, and same methods are being used on the

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Speaker 12: East coast of Australia. So I think a lot more

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Speaker 12: people were sort of waking up to that and combining

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01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 12: those two together, sort of recoiled somewhat and voted for

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Speaker 12: the existing government.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that we've been trying

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Speaker 2: to wrap our heads around here is how much sort

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01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 2: of a revocable damage. Trump is doing it. It's one

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01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: thing the trade war. Okay, a new president can come in,

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01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,960
Speaker 2: they can change the policy, etc. But Mark Carney in

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Speaker 2: his victory speech really spoke about a sense of real

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01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 2: betray rail and a sense that even if the particular

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Speaker 2: politician and the White House changes or the policy changes,

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Speaker 2: that there's been a breach in the relationship that is

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Speaker 2: going to cause Canada to go in another direction sort

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Speaker 2: of regardless of what happens from here on out. And

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering what the view is from Australia

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Speaker 2: about the US and whether there's been sort of an

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Speaker 2: aravocable change in the way that the US is viewed

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Speaker 2: by Australians.

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Speaker 7: I think it's much less.

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Speaker 12: It's not as as hectically viewed as the Canadians have

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Speaker 12: viewed it. Obviously, it's been a bit of a there's

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Speaker 12: been a very different relationship between the way that the

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Speaker 12: President has treated Canada and Australia, at least vocally so far.

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Speaker 12: I think the Australian public and in the Australian authorities

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Speaker 12: is sort of thinking, hang on, we need to reconsider

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Speaker 12: a bit our position. We've sort of relied extremely heavily

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Speaker 12: on the US as a security partner and partner and

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Speaker 12: that sort of thing. I think the relationship will remain regardless.

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Speaker 12: It's strong, it's you know, it's not going anywhere. But

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Speaker 12: I think it's sort of made people think a little

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Speaker 12: bit hang on, maybe we should stand on our own

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Speaker 12: two feet a little bit more, which you know, to

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Speaker 12: some degree that's obviously a good thing. And look, I

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Speaker 12: don't think there's any sort of terminal, long term damage

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Speaker 12: done there. It's just made people sort of wake up

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Speaker 12: a little bit there.

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Speaker 2: And what is what was the view of Anthony albany

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Speaker 2: c prior to this election? What are people's sense of

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Speaker 2: his governance?

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Speaker 12: So he was swept to power, came to power last

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Speaker 12: three years ago. We have three year terms, which is

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Speaker 12: quite unusual on the international stage, but three year terms.

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Speaker 12: He came to power. It had been nine years of

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Speaker 12: the Conservative government in power before then. Now they'd sort of,

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Speaker 12: as many many governments do, they've fallen into the trap

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Speaker 12: of cronyism and then corruption in parts. And during that period, interestingly,

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Speaker 12: Australia fell further towards corruption than any other OECD nation

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Speaker 12: according to Transparency International. Over that nine year period, and

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Speaker 12: that's with the exception of Hungary, with which Australia tired,

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Speaker 12: So it's not very well known. But during that period

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Speaker 12: we're obviously fairly high base. But we fell we fell

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Speaker 12: down the list a substantial and a lot of that

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Speaker 12: was due to Australia not having a National Integrity Commission,

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Speaker 12: being a national body that oversees corruption or alleged corruption

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Speaker 12: involving politicians. So the Albanezy government he came to power,

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Speaker 12: he promised this brand new National Anti Corruption Commission that

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Speaker 12: was going to set up and have transparent hearings and

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Speaker 12: all the rest of it to hold government officials to account. Now,

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Speaker 12: he brought one of these bodies in, but they sort

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01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 12: of kneecapped it behind the scenes and made it have

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Speaker 12: actions all in secret. Basically, well it's hearings in secret,

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Speaker 12: so you don't know what it's doing. And it's been

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Speaker 12: pretty much a major flop and it's been criticized from

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Speaker 12: all sides. So I think a lot of people were

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Speaker 12: very disappointed in that. He sort of made a lot

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01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 12: of promises for his first term he didn't come through with.

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01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 12: It was all about transparency and accountability, but as soon

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Speaker 12: as he got in that all went out the window.

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Speaker 12: But I think what's happened over the past six months,

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01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 12: with what's happened in the US and the Trump factor,

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01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 12: that people have thought, well, look, you know, we'll kind

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Speaker 12: of forget about that for now. We've got bigger issues.

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Speaker 12: We don't want this conservative government coming in. And it's

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01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 12: basically a few issues with the Conservative government. They're sort of,

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Speaker 12: as the public's pointed out, they behind in the Times,

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Speaker 12: looking to rewind Australia a little bit. Rather than embracing

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Speaker 12: renewable energy, of which we have plenty plenty of sun

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Speaker 12: and wind, they were looking at actually introducing nuclear power

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Speaker 12: in Australia for the first time, despite the fact that

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Speaker 12: it was going to cost between two and five times

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Speaker 12: as much for no real reason. It was just sort

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Speaker 12: of an ideological issue. So people were sort of not

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Speaker 12: particularly happy about that. But so it wasn't a good

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01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 12: opposition for starters, but the Trump effect obviously played a

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01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 12: pretty big role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I read what Duntin had said

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Speaker 2: something about having a nuclear reactor in his writing that

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Speaker 2: his opponent sees done and how long he had held

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Speaker 2: that seat for what twenty four years something like that.

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Speaker 12: That's right, yeah, more than two decades, and it had

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Speaker 12: been on a small margin. He had by about one

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Speaker 12: point four percent I believe, the seat of Dixon in Brisbane,

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01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 12: which is halfway up the Australian coast. So there were

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Speaker 12: a few questions as to whether he was going to

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Speaker 12: hold that seat, but he's lost it quite convincingly, of

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01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 12: about six percent swinging against him. Now, this issue with

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01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 12: the nuclear reactors was something that's picked up We picked

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01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 12: up on quite early on in the piece, and it

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Speaker 12: was coming from a lot of the same actors, the

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Speaker 12: fossil fuels groups. One of these in particular in Australia

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Speaker 12: is called the Institute of Public Affairs. Now it's sort

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01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 12: of a proxy almost for fossil fuels interests, and this

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Speaker 12: is where Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader, launched his nuclear

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01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 12: reactive policy about eighteen months ago. So he actually launched

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Speaker 12: at this fossil fuels lobby group and you're looking at

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Speaker 12: these things of the small modular nuclear reactors that he

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01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 12: was spooking. They don't actually exist anywhere in the world

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Speaker 12: in a commercial basis, and they were going to cost

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Speaker 12: about six times more than normal electricity anyway. So it

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Speaker 12: was pie in the sky sort of stuff, and it

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Speaker 12: was seen by many experts as just the way of

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Speaker 12: prolonging fossil fuels. So obviously they opened themselves up to

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Speaker 12: this whole huge issue of nuclear power in Australia. And

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Speaker 12: beyond the economics of it, you've got the issue of

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01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 12: we haven't had nuclear power before. So a lot of

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01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 12: people sort of a bit uneasy about the idea, and

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Speaker 12: it brings up the whole spectrum of nuclear energy. And

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Speaker 12: obviously he left himself open there and the question was, hey, look,

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Speaker 12: you know, would you have a reactor in your in

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Speaker 12: your backyard and your electorate? He said, of course. And

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Speaker 12: obviously people in these electorates were so.

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Speaker 2: Keen about that, they were not too excited about that idea.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, how did some of these independent

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Speaker 2: movements like the Teals, how did they play into these

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Speaker 2: election results?

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Speaker 12: Yes, so Australia has much the same as the US,

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Speaker 12: two major parties, not quite as not quite as tight

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Speaker 12: in as the US, but we have two major parties.

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Speaker 12: Last election, there's a group of independents that was that

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Speaker 12: came about the look they'll call the community two hundred independents. Basically,

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Speaker 12: fundraising model was set up to get independence into government

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Speaker 12: because usually you've got all the same actors, the fossil fuels,

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Speaker 12: the big banks, et cetera. They are funding the two

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Speaker 12: major parties. So this is sort of a new model

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Speaker 12: that came in and they were very successful and they

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Speaker 12: called it the Teal Wave. Last time, around half a

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Speaker 12: dozen and more independence came into power. This time around,

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Speaker 12: those same independents are there. There's been a landslo to

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Speaker 12: the ALP to the existing government which is center left.

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Speaker 12: They have a majority of power, but the independence from

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Speaker 12: last time, the Till Wave, is still there. Most of

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Speaker 12: those people, if not all of them, are back in again,

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Speaker 12: as well as a couple of other gains, and that's

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Speaker 12: more of a long term strategy to get more independence

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Speaker 12: into into government into Australian government, with the idea being

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Speaker 12: there's less power to the original backers, the original donors

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Speaker 12: of the two major parties.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Anthony so much for joining us and

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Speaker 2: helping us to understand what's going on there. Tell people

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Speaker 2: where they can find you and follow your work.

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Speaker 12: Oh thank you. You can find us at the Clackson

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Speaker 12: k l A XO N dot com dot au and

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Speaker 12: we're an investigative news site covering all the other the

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Speaker 12: stories that the other majors aren't.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, fantastic, great to meet you, and thank you

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Speaker 2: again for joining us.

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Speaker 12: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, that does it for today's global edition

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