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Speaker 1: Fish and Filtered episode sixty four. I am here with

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Speaker 1: my good friend and co host Isaac Azouit, and we

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Speaker 1: have Elis Susman joining us as well, founder of Fish

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Speaker 1: on First. We have a lot to talk about. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while, but we're excited to be back. And

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Speaker 1: I think the last time we did this the manager

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Speaker 1: of Skip Schumacher, and now it's Clayton McCullough, former first

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Speaker 1: base coach of the Los Angeles Dodgers World Series champion

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers, and he spoke to the media yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There was his introduction. We're filming this on Tuesday, November nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: He was introduced on Monday in the afternoon, and there

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Speaker 1: was a lot to take away, not even just from

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Speaker 1: what McCullough said about comments from Bruce Sherman and Peter Bendix. Isaac.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with McCullough. He comes from a pretty good

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Speaker 1: background for the most part, very development and heavy background.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't the Blue Jest for a very long time as

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Speaker 1: the minor league manager over there goes to the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: because I believe a field coordinator at the minor league level,

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Speaker 1: and for the last four years he's been with the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers as the first base coach, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: praise has been given to mister McCullough from players such

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Speaker 1: as Rookie Betts, show him Tani and I mean even

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Speaker 1: Dave Roberts. So this is seems, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: like a pretty good hire. Doesn't seem like this was

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Speaker 1: the first choice for the Marlins, obviously after what happened

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Speaker 1: with Will Bennable and Craig Albernas. But McCullough was a

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Speaker 1: and seems like this is the guy the Marlins want,

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Speaker 1: as he is perfectly aligned with what they want to do. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, Kevin, we have a lot to

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Speaker 2: discuss today, the introductory press conference on Monday, November eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: and then obviously tonight we're according to some Tuesday, like

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Speaker 2: you said, the Rule five deadline to add all Rule

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Speaker 2: five eligible players to the Marlins forty men roster, and

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Speaker 2: we will touch on that in the second half of

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Speaker 2: the show. But to answer your question about McCullough, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Marlin seemed very excited about the seventeenth manager in

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Speaker 2: franchise history. I think the last time we spoke, we

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Speaker 2: were just getting the report that Skip had told his

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Speaker 2: players in his clubhouse that he will not be returning

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. But yeah, we call it a

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Speaker 2: lot of experience in player development. The son of a

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Speaker 2: scout spent several years in the Toronto Blue Jays minor

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Speaker 2: over there, and then he went to the Dodgers, like

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Speaker 2: you said, feel coordinated, then became the first base coach.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the one peculiar part about this is

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Speaker 2: think that's probably one thing where he's really gonna have

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Speaker 2: to depend on some experience when it comes to choosing

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Speaker 2: only guy that we are hearing it will be added

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Speaker 2: But he still has to choose a bench coach, pitching coach, third,

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Speaker 2: the same viewpoints and messages that Skip Schumacher would share.

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Speaker 2: I guess just like like we talked about last.

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Speaker 3: Time, a lot less intimidating, a lot more approachable.

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Speaker 2: I would say he spent I would say at least

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Speaker 2: presser he did TV did like four different TV outlets

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Speaker 2: he did, he did you and I as that video

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Speaker 2: is now on fish on first Twitter's account.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, very nice guy, strong baseball background, and

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Speaker 2: so in the winter meetings and then in spring training

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Speaker 2: where he resides in Jupiter. He lives with his family,

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Speaker 2: has three wonderful children. They live in Jupiter, Florida for

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Speaker 2: the last few years. And I think he didn't mention

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it needs to be noted that he was

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Speaker 1: He was also interviewed for the Marlins job, which Skiff

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Speaker 4: Something I just thought about a little bit more, and

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Speaker 4: It did strike me when right after the press conference

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Speaker 4: Nick Fortes. Those are the ones I saw. There may

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Speaker 4: but just got me thinking about this offseason in general,

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Speaker 4: like a disproportionate percentage of Marlin's players live even during

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Speaker 4: because their spring training is just a short drive away

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Speaker 4: It's just a little perk where I think it's a

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Speaker 4: with a lot of his players. In addition to those guys,

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Speaker 4: the South Florida guy. Even ones that you know potentially

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Speaker 4: A lot of the top prospects that haven't quite debuted

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Speaker 4: that you get to have some FaceTime. It's more intimacy

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Speaker 4: coming up. Yeah, that's my main takeaway other than that

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Speaker 4: I have endorsed. Would you guys mentioned that's a different

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Speaker 4: and it's true to who he is. I think that

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Speaker 4: Kind of roll my eyes at some of the things

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Speaker 4: success that his minor league teams had that he managed.

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Speaker 4: Even though I think anybody who understands that wins and

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Speaker 4: losses at the minor league level could not be any

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Speaker 4: less relevance or less correlated to actual talent that's on

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Speaker 4: It's a risk whenever you hire a first time manager,

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Speaker 4: especially one that hasn't even had bench coach experience. It's

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Speaker 4: it's a much different role than even what he did

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Speaker 4: uncertainty about this. As much research as you do, even

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Speaker 4: there's always that uncertainty about it. We it's a brand

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the interesting thing too, because with Skip,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a big reason why we're probably

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Speaker 1: And he told Isaac and I he said, he's going

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Speaker 1: to find people with experience that have been maybe in

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty You're going from a minor league

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to make the choices, you have

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Speaker 1: to talk to the media, everything kind of falls on you,

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Speaker 1: You know, he was never an interim where he was

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Speaker 1: I mean, Isaac, what type of staff do you think

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Speaker 1: wonder how much impact maybe mccullaugh had in that hiring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would hope said, I think experience be pivotal

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Speaker 2: with him. And a difference that I will point out here.

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Speaker 2: With Skip, and remember he was hired by Kim Ang,

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Speaker 3: A collaborative effort.

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Speaker 2: With McCullough, I think he's gonna have the entire front

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Speaker 3: I think this is not gonna I.

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Speaker 3: Almost half the decisions half the time.

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Speaker 2: You know, the pitching coach as well, sometimes when it

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Speaker 2: with Pipe, I remember it was Rob Leary played a

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Speaker 2: So I think who he choose it for bench coach

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Speaker 3: Decisions come from upstairs anyway.

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Speaker 2: So you said the word collaborative, you know, they assume

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then real quick, I think we could touch

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Speaker 1: on you we're just talking about Skip. He's I don't

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Speaker 1: So I think I mean for Skip, it kind of

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Speaker 1: aligns perfectly, Isaac. Where Bochie's on this last year of

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Speaker 1: would easily take over. I mean, there's no question point

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Speaker 1: twenty three manager of the Year, highly respected. You already

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Speaker 1: have your bench coach on the staff. I mean I

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Speaker 2: What there was announced to be the bench coach? I

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Speaker 2: But for Skip to be I don't know exactly how

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Speaker 4: But overall that that coaching staff was a big part

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Speaker 2: And I know that Pipe I'm sorry, Skip obviously is

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Speaker 3: In my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, I know you're right with that one. I don't

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Speaker 1: we hear from interviews or any of that type of stuff.

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Speaker 5: And most people don't see it on the outside, but

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Speaker 1: Isaac Illlett, you take it away. You're working on this article,

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Speaker 2: I did not think he was going to be available

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Speaker 1: I believe him.

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Speaker 2: I definitely agree on whether that's the right way to go.

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Speaker 4: The thing with Bruce when it comes to this stuff

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Speaker 4: lot less than they were originally guaranteed. The reporting from

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Speaker 4: Barry Jackson at the Miami Herald is that they did

437
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Speaker 4: not really have to take much of a loss on

438
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Speaker 4: that that whatever they're getting is quote on par. Again,

439
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,119
Speaker 4: it's spending money. Having additional money can only help you

440
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Speaker 4: pursue certain goals. Not all your spending is going to

441
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Speaker 4: be efficient or work out, but it is an important

442
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 4: resource and there's really like no doubt about it that

443
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 4: you can use it in creative ways, even if you're

444
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Speaker 4: in the middle of a rebuild, to expedite that rebuild,

445
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: to take on bad contracts and prospects along with it,

446
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Speaker 4: to sign one year flyer free agents in hopes of

447
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 4: flipping them at the deadline for prospects, or crazy idea,

448
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 4: actually signing veteran players and actually having them around the

449
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 4: clubhouse to provide some intangible benefits to your players. As

450
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 4: currently constituted, this is going to be perhaps the youngest

451
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Speaker 4: team in baseball, or really close to it. I mean,

452
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Speaker 4: I think Sandy might be the second or third oldest

453
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Speaker 4: player on the entire team, right Jonah Bride is one

454
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Speaker 4: of the older guys on this entire team. Like, there

455
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Speaker 4: is a role that those veterans can play. As offseason

456
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Speaker 4: goes on, I'm sure they'll signed some minor league deals

457
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Speaker 4: to guys in that position that might have a little

458
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 4: bit left in the tank that maybe they don't. We

459
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Speaker 4: wait until the dust settles before getting too critical about this. Yeah,

460
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Speaker 4: all I'm saying is I understand. I don't think there's

461
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Speaker 4: any excuse at this moment for them to as projected

462
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Speaker 4: to dial down spending as much as they are heading

463
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Speaker 4: into twenty twenty five, because they're going to get closer

464
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Speaker 4: to their end goal if they do spend money on

465
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Speaker 4: player payroll and such. I think there is a middle

466
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Speaker 4: ground between being realistic of that next year but also

467
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Speaker 4: understanding that just spinning your wheels and waiting for high

468
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Speaker 4: draft picks to move up in the system, that fans

469
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Speaker 4: are not going to buy that and they're not going

470
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Speaker 4: to be energized by it unless there's some creativity and

471
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Speaker 4: some actual spending that we can see, not just behind

472
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Speaker 4: the scenes.

473
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Speaker 2: I totally agree that we do have to wait and

474
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Speaker 2: see how this offseason plays out. I do remember saying

475
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Speaker 2: I think on our last episode that I expected them

476
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Speaker 2: to spend very little money, if any, on major league

477
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Speaker 2: free agents, but that's my.

478
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Speaker 3: Opinion on that has sort of shifted a little bit.

479
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Speaker 2: I do see them maybe taking at least because you're idea,

480
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 2: the team is just so young that they can't go

481
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Speaker 2: into spring training with Sandy as the third youngest guy,

482
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Speaker 2: so and from whatever, I do think they will be

483
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Speaker 2: at least looking at some very interesting one year deals

484
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Speaker 2: of some sort, whether it's for behind the plate, center field, shortstop,

485
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Speaker 2: relief pitcher, starting pitchers. I do think that there are

486
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Speaker 2: some major leaue free agents that are of interest to Miami,

487
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: and he even Bruce did say, mister Sherman did say that,

488
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Speaker 2: you know, I've never told Peter Bendix that, just because

489
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: we're spending money on all these other things like the

490
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Speaker 2: front office technology and whatnot, that you have X amount

491
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Speaker 2: of dollars for the payroll. And Peter obviously confirmed that

492
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Speaker 2: as well. So I guess we'll have to wait and see.

493
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Speaker 3: But I'm with you.

494
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Speaker 2: I think this is an offseason where you can take

495
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Speaker 2: a twenty fourteen like jump where you lose one hundred

496
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Speaker 2: games just like the twenty thirteen team did and improved

497
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Speaker 2: by ten twelve wins, and that is huge, And you're

498
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Speaker 2: not going to get the draft pick that you want

499
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Speaker 2: the following year. But hey, I think you're going to

500
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Speaker 2: see an increasing attendance and you're going to see an

501
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: increasing respect around the league.

502
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Speaker 3: If, hey, you have.

503
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Speaker 2: Some veterans to not only sign and play for you

504
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Speaker 2: for the first half of the season, you have all

505
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Speaker 2: of a sudden some good contracts to flip at the

506
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Speaker 2: major league trade deadline becase. As of right now, I

507
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Speaker 2: don't see any significant assets that I would think that

508
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: they would want to part with that at the deadline

509
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I think they want to keep

510
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Speaker 2: Burger and the San Cheese Sanchezes of the world. I

511
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Speaker 2: think Sandy wants to say, I think they want to keep.

512
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Speaker 3: Them as well.

513
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Speaker 2: So I do think it would be move them tremendously

514
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Speaker 2: to just signed a couple of guys, whether the relief

515
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: pitchers or or fringe everyday starters, because I think the

516
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: youth is the.

517
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Speaker 3: Biggest problem right now in my opinion, especially with the

518
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Speaker 3: first year manager.

519
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you do say they don't have any answers,

520
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: and they kind they have a couple. I mean Lozardo

521
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: had he been healthy and pictures, but I do not

522
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: even know.

523
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta hope that they're healthy.

524
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Speaker 2: You gotta, right, but sure fire, like you had Jazz,

525
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Speaker 2: you knew Jazz gonna be an asked, you new Rise,

526
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Speaker 2: you're gonna be an asked. You have no idea about

527
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Speaker 2: Luzardo and Braxton, but I agree those two are definitely

528
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Speaker 2: guys who you will have to dangle in trade talks

529
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: in July for sure.

530
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Speaker 1: I mean, with the Ura coming back, at some point,

531
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to maybe deal a starting pitcher and

532
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Speaker 1: it's hard to say that because you can never have

533
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Speaker 1: enough starting pitching. But I mean, unless you go six

534
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: man rotation, it's gonna be pretty difficult or you're gonna

535
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Speaker 1: have to move on into bullpen. I don't know that's

536
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Speaker 1: a that's a conversation for another day.

537
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Speaker 2: But every every single off season we say the same

538
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: thing about it. We have too many starting pitchers. And

539
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: this is the year that they've had the least amount

540
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Speaker 2: of starting pitching in my opinion, starting pitching depth going

541
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Speaker 2: into spring trade.

542
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Speaker 3: This is the year that we had the least and boy,

543
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna need a lot, a lot of help.

544
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Speaker 2: This is gonna happen early as well, because it's like

545
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Speaker 2: you said, you never have too many.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, speaking of players on the major league players,

547
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Speaker 1: you know, and kind of sticking to that forty men

548
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: roster stuff, we had that day today on Tuesday where

549
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Speaker 1: the players with the Martins had to make some decisions

550
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Speaker 1: of who to protecting who not to protect him. I

551
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: don't think there were any shockers. Maybe the last one,

552
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, maybe a little bit of a

553
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: wild card at that, you know, going into it, but

554
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Speaker 1: eventually is protected Davis and Delo Santos, who was acquired

555
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: in the AJ Puck trade was protected. Jared Serna, who

556
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Speaker 1: was acquired from the gets Chishen trade, was also protected.

557
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: Then Dax Fulton, who is a homegrown guy from the Marlins,

558
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Speaker 1: and I believe the twenty twenty draft also protected. He's

559
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: coming off Tommy on surgery. We'll start with Davison Dela Santos,

560
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: who came to Miami that AJ Puck trade along with

561
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Speaker 1: Andrew Pintar, and he was pretty damn good. I mean,

562
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: the power is there. Struggled a little bit towards the

563
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: end of the season, which kind of plummeted his numbers

564
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: is overall numbers, but still finished I believe, hitting two

565
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: ninety four with over forty home runs. I mean, couldn't

566
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Speaker 1: have asked for a better season. I know he also

567
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: played some winter balls. So Eli, if you want to

568
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about de La Santos, I mean,

569
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Speaker 1: I think right now he's our second best position player

570
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: prospect and our fish on the first top thirty, and

571
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Speaker 1: he is gonna probably try to make a good case

572
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Speaker 1: to make the opening day roster just with how I mean,

573
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Speaker 1: probably the best defensive first baseman they have. You know,

574
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Speaker 1: when you look at your options, it's not a high

575
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Speaker 1: bar you're setting, but I mean the power potential is there,

576
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Speaker 1: and I mean you you want someone like that on

577
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Speaker 1: your roster, and if it's not now at the beginning

578
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Speaker 1: of the season, it'll definitely be one. He is, I believe,

579
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Speaker 1: eligible to get another year.

580
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Speaker 4: Yea. Della Santo's number three overall on our at the

581
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Speaker 4: left top thirty. Cerna is number six overall and we're

582
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: a little higher than everybody else on Fulton. We had

583
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Speaker 4: Dax Fulton still number fifteen on our list. As you referenced,

584
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Speaker 4: he was kind of wild card in this situation because

585
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: he's coming off Tommy John. Yeah, to start on Dela

586
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: Santo's he until a few days ago was also playing

587
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 4: winter ball, which I found a little bit interesting his

588
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: first year playing in the Dominican he's a Dominican native

589
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: over there, and that's too much in the weeds, but

590
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: it's a very pitcher friendly league. So coming off this

591
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: year in the minors where he had forty homers, he

592
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: goes to the dr He played in seventeen games and

593
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: he hit zero home runs. He slugged like in the

594
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: low three hundreds, even relative to that league, it was

595
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: kind of underwhelming. Still his future is at first base,

596
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: but they still had him as an emergency situation, occasionally

597
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: playing third as well down there, And yeah, I think

598
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: he was the no brainer. He was selected in the

599
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: Rule five last year when he was a Feedbacks prospect

600
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: who was selected by Cleveland, and they dodged the bullet

601
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: because he got returned after struggling in spring training before

602
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 4: putting up this big year. And he's the one that

603
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: is closest to the big leagues, of course, because he

604
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: spent most last year at Triple A put up those

605
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: numbers you reference, still a lot of work that he

606
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: used to put into. When it comes to his plate approach,

607
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: his swing decisions. He chases pitches outside the zone at

608
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: such a ridiculous clip, even against Triple A pitching and

609
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: dr pitching that I just fear what's going to happen

610
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: in the big leagues if he has that same approach.

611
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: The stuff is going to be just too good. The

612
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: strikeouts are going to go up. We've seen stories like

613
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: that before that player profile, where you're just not going

614
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 4: to get on base enough against major league quality stuff.

615
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: The thing is he's so young, he's actually the youngest

616
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: of these three, still twenty one years old until June.

617
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: Don't until turn twenty two until next June. So it's

618
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: a fascinating case where he's physically he's all maxed out.

619
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Speaker 4: There's no projection there, but there is maybe you could

620
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: project some sort of improvement in terms of his approach.

621
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Speaker 3: That is.

622
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: It's such a big question because that's the difference between

623
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: him being a marginal Big leaguer and him potentially being

624
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: a star is if he's swinging at the right pitches,

625
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 4: because when he does, he does incredible damage to them.

626
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: Isaac talk a little bit about Jared Serna really got

627
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: it going when he joined the Marlins organization at double

628
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: a level, which he hadn't done with the Yankees, and

629
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: flash of the Leather a little bit at shortstop wasn't

630
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: too shabby. There maybe a chance he sticks. Probably will

631
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Speaker 1: end up that second or third. This is a pretty

632
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: damn good prospect, And you could have been looking at

633
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: an Austin Nunya situation had maybe not been protected at

634
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: I think.

635
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there was no doubt in the world that

636
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: he was not going to be protected. This is the

637
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: player that I can say with good authority that the

638
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Morls are extremely excited about. They're excited to have him.

639
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: You're right, and I don't see him fit ending up

640
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: at shortstop. I believe he'll end up either the hot

641
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: corner or second base, depending on what is the situation

642
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: at the major league level. But this guy sort of

643
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: a polar opposite type of prospect from Davison Delos Santos

644
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: in the sense that he just did not strike out

645
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: it all in twenty twenty four. It was really, it

646
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: was really a pleasure to watch his at bats with

647
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Double A Pensacola obviously finished a year across three levels.

648
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: He did finish the year with Jacksonville and struggled a

649
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: little bit there, but across three levels at two forty one,

650
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: three thirty seven, four fourteen good for a seven to

651
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: fifty one ops, one hundred strikeouts in five hundred and

652
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: fourteen at bats, and he got on base a pretty

653
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: decent amount.

654
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Speaker 3: So this is just one of the safer type prospects that.

655
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: The Marlins have had offensive prospects, I should say that

656
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: they've had in a long time, and the fact that

657
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: he can play three infield positions, the way he doesn't

658
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: hit the way he does.

659
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: I along with the Marlins, I'm very excited to see

660
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: this kid hit.

661
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: There's probably some development to be done there defensively, maybe

662
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: can grow into a little bit more power, but he

663
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: is someone that I think the Marlins probably have as

664
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: one of their top five guys, top four guys, because

665
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: they are enamored with this young man.

666
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Well, even you still say he could grow in some

667
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: more power, Yes, some sneaky power to begin with. Yeah,

668
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: sure he does. He can hold on the last year

669
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: and this year I think he was either had ten or.

670
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: Or he certainly does well.

671
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: He's the same size ish as Javier SINOI as significantly

672
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: more gap to gap and over the fence power than

673
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: him and Xavier Edwards. He is I think at the

674
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: highest level, I can see nine to twelve to maybe

675
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: fifteen home runs. He yanks a bunch down the left

676
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: field line, but he's got He's an impressive young player

677
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: that I think Miami did really well with that Jazz

678
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: straight if you count obviously ra mirrors as well.

679
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly so last one with Dax Fulton, as I mentioned,

680
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: drafted in the twenty twenty draft, I believe, I mean

681
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: not until the TJ. He he was like on a

682
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: top five, top ten prospect for US at fish on

683
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: first and unfortunately he had a tough twenty twenty three.

684
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Obviously you got to ask how much of it was

685
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: due to the surgery, but or not the surgery, the injury,

686
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: and then obviously getting the surgery. Eli talked a little

687
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: bit about Dax Fulton, power throwing lefty, who I mean

688
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: has really stood out at least one.

689
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: Healthy, Yeah, when healthy, and he just turned twenty three

690
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: and he's had two Tommy Johns Like that on its

691
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: own is relatively rare. You'd rather have elbow injuries than

692
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 4: shoulder injuries, as we've learned unfortunately in recent years with

693
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: other Marlins pitching prospects. It's more predictable that he'll come back.

694
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: But I think that is part of the calculus here,

695
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: is that how long is this going to last until

696
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: potentially the damage goes too far for him to reach

697
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: his potential. He was looking awesome two years ago at

698
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: the end of the twenty twenty two season, when he

699
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: was still right before his twenty first birthday. Back then

700
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: he was already at Double A and he was putting

701
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: up great numbers over there. He just has so many

702
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: starter traits as a six foot seven guy with potentially

703
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: mid nineties V low and a great breaking ball and

704
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: somebody that could at least throw his change up for strikes,

705
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: and like it was looking very good. It's just been

706
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: so long. This recovery took a while. He didn't look

707
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: right at all entering twenty twenty three. He was invited

708
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: to spring training entering twenty twenty three, and just from

709
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: the start did not look right at all and didn't

710
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: perform well at the Double A level as you reference.

711
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: Maybe that's because he was already having some sort of

712
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: elbow discomfort before that leading into the season. We don't

713
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: know exactly for sure, and the big mysteries. We don't

714
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: know exactly what his stuff looks like right now. Certainly,

715
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: if the Marlins felt that he wasn't close to begetting

716
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: his old stuff, then they would have left him unprotected.

717
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: I think this is an invitation that they, if nothing else,

718
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 4: they feel that he is checking some of the boxes

719
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 4: in terms of the quality of his pitches, even if

720
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: it's not happening in actual official game competition. He has

721
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: not pitched in an official game in eighteen months. Since

722
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: May of twenty twenty three. It's just a very big

723
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: mystery and now this starts the clock on him a

724
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: little bit. For what he's the one that you'd think

725
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: is least likely to appear in the majors this upcoming season.

726
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll we evaluated in spring training right there.

727
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: But you're looking at somebody that seems pretty automatically you're

728
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: going to burn a minor league option next year while

729
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 4: he gets back.

730
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Into the swing of things.

731
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: It's, yeah, just a big mystery box here. And this

732
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: has happened before. I think in my mind, I thought

733
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: this was the more likely outcome that they would protect him.

734
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: Just looking at the history of the Rule five draft,

735
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: there are plenty of examples of guys also coming off

736
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: Tommy John that get picked high in the draft and

737
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: people take a flyer on them so they can take

738
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: a closer look at them in spring training and beyond.

739
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: When the Marlins got Zach Popp, that was like indirectly

740
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: through the Rule five they made a trade to get him.

741
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: He was coming off Tommy John. That was a reliever situation.

742
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: We'll never know for sure whether or not he would

743
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: have gone through without getting picked, but at this moment,

744
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: we've pulled up the forty man roster again one more

745
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: time for people to take a look. There are, with

746
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: all due respect, guys on here that don't need to

747
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: be on here, ones that don't rarely have very much

748
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: value to this big league team. So that's kind of

749
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: the thinking here. For other teams and other situations that

750
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 4: have a more real crunch that have forty quality players, again,

751
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 4: with all due respect on their ford Van roster, there

752
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 4: might not be room for Dex. But for this team

753
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: in this situation that still has several its very best

754
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: prospects Thomas White, Robbie Snelling, et cetera, that aren't even

755
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: eligible for that don't need to go on the forty

756
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: man yet. You know, the Marlins don't have to make

757
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: these tough decisions yet. But in this moment with the organization,

758
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: I think it was much better to be safe than

759
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: sorry in the case of Dex Fulton.

760
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, last, but not least, I think we'll just

761
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: very quickly talched on just those small signings of Marlins made,

762
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: bringing in two former Rage prospects, Ronnie Simon and I

763
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: believe I'm gonna say this right, Harry Berto Harry Berto Hernandez.

764
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: There we go, Jack said, Man, what is that anyway here?

765
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: You editor? Ronnie Simon was the Dominican League MVP, I

766
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: want to say, and he was a top thirty guy,

767
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: number twenty two and twenty twenty three, and then Hernandez

768
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: was the number seventeenth prospect. He was with Texas. I

769
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I think probably got traded to Tampa and

770
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: he's been there ever since. And now both of them

771
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: are Marlins. So I don't think we're qualified right now

772
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: to say too much on them. But Hernandez definitely seems

773
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: like there's more of the power profile type guy twenty

774
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: six twenty eight percent strikeout, and then Simon, more of

775
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: a contact hitter, doesn't strike out as much. So these

776
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: are Peter Bendix guys, you know, through and through, and

777
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, I would assume one of them

778
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: will get a spring training invite maybe, but probably reassigned

779
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: fairly quickly. And I don't know if you guys want

780
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: to add anything else to that.

781
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: First of all, credit where credit is due. This is

782
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: reported by our buddy arm Leyden. Yes, well, not even

783
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: official yet from any accounting that I can see, but

784
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: these agreements are in place, As ar points out, and

785
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: this is very just very familiar with last offseason as well.

786
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: Last off Seasonater Bendix's first signing was Tristan Gray. He

787
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 4: was in the exact same situation as these guys, raised

788
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: prospect to it, exhausted all his years of team control

789
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: as a minor leaguer and became a free agent. The

790
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 4: Simon report from ARUAM came on the exact anniversary of

791
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: the Marlins officially signing Tristan Gray. Hopefully a slightly bigger

792
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: impact on the big league team than Tristan Gray did. Yeah,

793
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 4: with Simon and I know a lot more as as

794
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: you mentioned, he was the Dominican League MVP last year

795
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: and he's still playing right now. These teammates with at

796
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: Toros del Estey, with Troy Johnston among others.

797
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: He's going to learn very well.

798
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: He's a leadoff hitter down there, a lot of similarities

799
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: with Vidal Breuhan. He's a five foot eight switch hitter

800
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: who plays several different positions. Just not as much defensive

801
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: versatility as Brewhan, but better quality of contact. He had

802
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago he hit twenty plus home

803
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: runs and upper miners. This past year the number was

804
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: down quite a bit. He mainly played second base, left field,

805
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: but also some they could fake it at short and third.

806
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: Like really, if you really needed him to know, just

807
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: twenty yeah, just twenty four years old. I think both

808
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: of these guys same age range. Hernandez is about to

809
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: turn twenty five entering this upcoming season as well. And

810
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 4: Hernandez finished last season at Triple A and well combined

811
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: between Double A and Triple A, you finished on quite

812
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: a heater heat an ops in the low nine hundreds

813
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: during after the All Star break. For what it's worth,

814
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how much it's worth, but yeah,

815
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 4: it's a clarify. Both of them are getting big league

816
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: camp invites, so we'll see how things go.

817
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: They don't haves with.

818
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: Simon in particular. It kind of I see him being

819
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: in that battle with Bruhan, with Javier Sooha, He's kind

820
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: of just in that general grouping of guys, Hernandez seems

821
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: the one that's a little bit His path to being

822
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: on the opening day roster seems more fuzzy. In my opinion,

823
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: There'll be more of these guys, So these are the

824
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: first two. Every single offseason, no matter what position your

825
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: team is in, you gotta make a handful. It could

826
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: be more, could sometimes be ten or more minor league

827
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: free agent signings to plug different positions. So these will

828
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: be rolling in in a couple of different waves that

829
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: we'll get a better idea about which of these ones

830
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: that bring in. And they're the two types of minor

831
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: league stings. These are the ones of players that haven't

832
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: even been in the big leagues before. There are I

833
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: would expect to be a couple on the other end

834
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: of the spectrum, the guys that are potentially washed up

835
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: but did appear in the big leagues and have some

836
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: sort of careers of note yet. Yeah, so these are

837
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: just the early portion of it. But you know, we'll

838
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 4: get a better idea about how these pieces fit together

839
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: and who realistically is in contention for a spot as

840
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 4: sprint trending gets closer.

841
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: I got to give credit where it's due.

842
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix has shown a pretty nice ability of signing

843
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: some of these particular relievers. To be fair, but he

844
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: has been pretty good at signing these minor league free agents.

845
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: They don't do aut like that.

846
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: Come on, yeah, I don't lope. Look at that tremendous pickup.

847
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, though signing of Ronnie Simon, I guess sort

848
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: of maybe hurts my chances that are going perfect. In

849
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: the opening day roster prediction, I did have Hogersonoha making

850
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: the teams.

851
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: I think it was my fifth round picks.

852
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: So I think that adds another player that he's going

853
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: to have to compete with in spring training.

854
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: But excited to see them both and at the end

855
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: of the day, it's just good depth to have. I

856
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: mean quality. That wasn't the greatest last season as we know,

857
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: so having two guys like that that obviously Ben Nixon

858
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: knows pretty well, never hurts well with a power profile

859
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: another one with the more back to ball. So aside

860
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: from that, I think we have the non tender deadline

861
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: coming up this week. I believe the only name to

862
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: look out for is Breuhani line.

863
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm not really looking at from a Marlins perspective. It's

864
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: more about guys on other teams that might be in

865
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: that situation and looking to DFA ones. Yeah, with the Marlins,

866
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: usually we look at this in terms of the arbitration

867
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: eligibles and guys that might be in a line for

868
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 4: too much money. But Breuhan isn't even.

869
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Speaker 3: Our eligible yet.

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Speaker 4: Like it would be just a little bit above league minimum.

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Speaker 4: He's somebody that I think potentially could be in danger

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Speaker 4: over the course of the off season, but they don't

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Speaker 4: have to make that decision right away. It's a small

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Speaker 4: arbitration class because that was what the deadline last year,

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Speaker 4: clear day that would have been are eligible. So for

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Speaker 4: this upcoming year, it's headlined by Luzardo Braxton Garrett eligible

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Speaker 4: for the first time, Nick Foortes eligible for the first time,

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Speaker 4: Bender eligible for the second time. Yeah, but relatively this

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Speaker 4: is that That's again why their projected payroll comes in

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Speaker 4: really low even compared to last year, is that so

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Speaker 4: many of these guys are pre arbitration eligible. They're not

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Speaker 4: even there yet from a service time perspective, so it

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Speaker 4: could be quiet. I was hopeful that we might see

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Speaker 4: something interesting as we're recording this on Tuesday, just because

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Speaker 4: the Marlins each of the last two years had made

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Speaker 4: trades on the Rule five protection deadline day, so that

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Speaker 4: streak is over. But there's potential for just a lot

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Speaker 4: of things that could happen once those decisions get in,

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Speaker 4: whether it's the mar directly from what the Marlins are doing,

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Speaker 4: but more likely potentially what other teams are thinking with

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Speaker 4: some of these players that don't really fit in their equation,

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Speaker 4: and if they are willing to just give them away,

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Speaker 4: for example, to its like the Marlins, that's one way

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Speaker 4: to use just available spending money in order to bring

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Speaker 4: in veteran presence of some kinds, even if you don't

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Speaker 4: expect a whole lot from them on the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we have to remember that when they've

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Speaker 1: made these trades during this time. The first one I

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Speaker 1: believe was to bring in J. C. Schagua, who they

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Speaker 1: then traded at Seattle, and then they brought in Edwards

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Speaker 1: in that same trade, Xavier Edwards, and then this past

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Speaker 1: year they brought in Ruhan and Calvin Fasche, who I

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Speaker 1: mean right now probably projects as a team's closers. So

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Speaker 1: aside from that, only other things coming up. I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest event of the offseason the Thanksgiving Turkey Drive

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Speaker 1: on November twenty second, and then after that the Winter

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Speaker 1: Meeting is from I believe December ninth to the twelfth,

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Speaker 1: which obviously which includes the Rule five draft, which the

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Speaker 1: Martins are picking third, so it should be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what they do there. But aside from that, Isaac,

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Speaker 1: you only anything else, and yeah, you just.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned it right at the end.

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Speaker 4: The other angle of this Rule five protection deadline is

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Speaker 4: the Marlins have the third overall pick by virtue of

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Speaker 4: having the third worst record in baseball in this past year.

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Speaker 4: They don't make it pick every single year in the

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Speaker 4: major League phase, but yeah, they might this year. So

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Speaker 4: we'll take a closer look at the guys that were

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Speaker 4: left unprotected by all the other teams. Marlins are gonna

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Speaker 4: have the third pick in that group in terms of

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Speaker 4: guys that could fit some way on the roster one

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Speaker 4: way or another. So between now and the Rule five,

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Speaker 4: which is three weeks from now, they'll try to do

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Speaker 4: their research and see if anybody from another org is

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Speaker 4: worth snatching with that pick early on in the Rule five.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna wrap it a year from

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Speaker 1: Isaac from Eli myself, we'll see you guys all, probably

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Speaker 1: two weeks we'll see I'm assuming we're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: news by that, hopefully, And peace out and go fish