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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two

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Speaker 1: and ninety. In today, myself, Spencer new Heart, and Tony

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Speaker 1: Peterson divulge some of our greatest deer hunting failures and

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Speaker 1: then explore what we learned from them. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to another episode of the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx. I am in Montana at the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater headquarters to my right, Spencer new Heart to

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Speaker 1: my left, and a roundabout way, it's Tony Peterson. We

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Speaker 1: just did a whole half day of recording some videos

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Speaker 1: which will be coming out on the Meat either YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel at some point here soon. UM. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: when that will be in comparison when this podcast comes out,

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Speaker 1: so I'll keep it vague, but a pretty cool breakdown

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Speaker 1: of some different hunting ideas throughout the year that three

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Speaker 1: of us put together that I'm excited for y'all to

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Speaker 1: check out. When that does come out, I will definitely

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Speaker 1: be letting you know exactly where to find it when

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Speaker 1: it's out there. But it got us thinking about a

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Speaker 1: number of things because we were sitting around this morning

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Speaker 1: talking about hunting certain properties. How would you hunt this one,

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Speaker 1: how do you hunt this one? What did you hear?

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Speaker 1: And it got me thinking about a specific hunt that

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Speaker 1: I was on not too long ago that it just

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Speaker 1: had hunted some areas similar to the state. I had

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Speaker 1: some experience. I had time in the spring to go

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Speaker 1: to this place out at shed hunting some stuff. I

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Speaker 1: had some good intel. I thought it was slam dunk,

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Speaker 1: and I was so confident that I paired two different

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Speaker 1: states together. I was like, on a killbuck in this

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Speaker 1: state and then go over the border killbuck in the

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Speaker 1: other state, and it will be easy. I know what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. And then we completely got our asses handed

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Speaker 1: to us and we didn't see a single shooter until

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Speaker 1: we did make a move far to a totally different area.

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Speaker 1: But um, big time failure. And this brought to mind

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Speaker 1: for all three of us the fact that we've all

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Speaker 1: had a whole lot of failures. Well, big time failure.

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Speaker 1: It seems a little aggressive because you kill the book

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Speaker 1: like three days before this big time failure true. So

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I succeeded in Montana, I failed in North Dakota,

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Speaker 1: so that is true. And and and we couldn't you

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Speaker 1: could even argue this is a good interesting question that

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Speaker 1: was going to sidetrack me a little bit. But I

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Speaker 1: had someone, a friend of mine, posted on Instagram the

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Speaker 1: other day and in one of people's opinions, if you

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Speaker 1: fail to fill a tag on hunt, and you go

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Speaker 1: on a hunt and you don't feel at tag, is

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Speaker 1: that a failure? And he argued strongly that it is,

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Speaker 1: and that if you say, yeah, and he said, if

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Speaker 1: you and I'm paraphrasing, and I'm you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna get quite a sentiment, right, but the basics sentiment

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Speaker 1: it was that, you know, if if you're not actively trying,

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Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do everything you possibly can, if

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Speaker 1: And if you don't call that a failure, then it's

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Speaker 1: like giving participation trophies to kids these days. What's his point?

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Speaker 1: So you should be be real with yourself. What are

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Speaker 1: you going out there to do? You're going out there

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Speaker 1: don't do it, if you pretend that's not a failure,

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Speaker 1: you're kidding yourself. So what is your thought, Tony? If

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Speaker 1: you don't feel a tag, is that failure? I think

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Speaker 1: so you know it's it's hunting. So I don't follow

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Speaker 1: parallel to what he's saying is try hard. You know,

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Speaker 1: Like you you can go out there and not kill

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Speaker 1: know how you'd label that a failure. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: think we all, for many of us, learn not to

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Speaker 1: I need a reset. You gotta reset, you gotta do it.

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00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's that definitely in my mind. It was

430
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: looking back, it was I had these assumptions going in

431
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: and we didn't adjust accordingly. Now I sort of made

432
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 1: a good decision, and that the mistake, one of the

433
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: mistakes was not trying to plan B in the same

434
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: area and like getting in there and seeing stuff up

435
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: close for changing our vantage point. We didn't do a

436
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 1: good job of that. So that was one of the

437
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 1: state mistakes. What I think was good though, was I

438
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: realized this isn't working. What we're doing isn't working. Let's

439
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: hit reset. I just made a really hard reset by

440
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: driving an hour. Now, by doing that, it put us

441
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: in a brand new area where we found dear really

442
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,959
Speaker 1: quick and came really close to shooting some Um So

443
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: it worked out kind of, but it's in a very

444
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: different fashion. Um But I do know now that maybe

445
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: I could have made it happen still there and sure

446
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 1: as heck, are going to try again. Well did that happens?

447
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean I did the same thing in Oklahoma last

448
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: year where I put in a pile of research into

449
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: this spot, drove down there, got my ask kick for

450
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: three days. Me and my buddy were like, let's just

451
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: let's just call it outible go somewhere completely different, Like

452
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe, like you said, like maybe you

453
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: could have stayed figured something out. But I just sometimes

454
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: if you get to the point where you lose that

455
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: much confidence in a spot, it's good idea to see

456
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: fresh ground. Yeah, I was just gonna say the confidence things.

457
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it becomes like a self fulfilling prophecy to agree

458
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: if you get so down on your head or if

459
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: you're getting beaten up so much, you could change nothing

460
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: else but just make me feel like there's gonna be

461
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: a better chance because I'm in a new place and

462
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden things start working out, and it's

463
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: still it's not a complete failure because now you've seen

464
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: this in person and going into you have a better

465
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: idea of what to look for when you get there.

466
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: This video series that we did earlier today, within that

467
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: we took a property that one of the three of

468
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: our was familiar with, and then we had the other

469
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: two digitally scouted and it was really eye opening. You

470
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: already know this, but like digitally scouting can only get

471
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: yourself far and then the person who had been there

472
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 1: on the ground and hunted these places had much more

473
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: awareness of what it actually looks like in person and

474
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: why maybe your assumption on this was wrong. So it

475
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a failure that you didn't kill one, because now

476
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: you go into and uh, you know so much more

477
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: than you did before. Tell you what, though, if I

478
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: don't kill on in twenty nineteen, that's a failure. I'll

479
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: be really pissed. And I'm planning on sinking a bunch

480
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: of time into it this time, like how much time? Uh? Well,

481
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: last year I tried to do attended trip between Montana

482
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: and North Dakota. I think it was something like that,

483
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: and I think I gave it like three and a

484
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: half days. So this year, I'm gonna budget seven to

485
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: ten days just for North Dakota. So I think I

486
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: can do it. I like it. Yeah, I think so

487
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: seven at ten days and h depending what your standards are,

488
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: I think you can certainly do it. Yeah, I'm gonna

489
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: I'll probably. I mean it'll be like a three year

490
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: old is like my floor, Like I'd like to kill

491
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: three year old. Um, But if I get out there

492
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: and night number one and I'm like saying nice box,

493
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: like nice older box. Then I'll jump my standards up

494
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: because I know I could shoot like a nice four

495
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: year old or something like that. I'd have a hard

496
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: time jumping back down to like a spin lee three

497
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: year old. If I knew there was a big daddy

498
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: out there there are Yeah, he's out there. Well, I

499
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: have these freaking sheds, and tell me there's a small

500
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: we'll not swamp monster, but a big boy. So I

501
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm excited to get back that. One of

502
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: the things I love about hunting so much and about

503
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: like taking to the degree that we take is these

504
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: challenges like this where you get thrown into a place

505
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Like why I love hunting new properties so much because

506
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: I loved the figuring out process. I like that figuring

507
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: out process more than the actual pull it trigger. So

508
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: this is actually the really fun part of it is

509
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: struggling and you learn a little bit here or they're

510
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: they're going to learn a little bit there. And this year,

511
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: if I get on some deer like that, it's gonna

512
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: be cool even if I don't kill one. So so that, uh,

513
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: that is something that I know we can all relate

514
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: to a little bit. Do any of you guys have

515
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: any other specific hunts like that you would say is

516
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 1: like a failure or that you can point to some

517
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: big mistake you made as far as like tactics or

518
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: decisions on that front, anything on that line. Uh. The

519
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: decision wise, I think it was like five years ago.

520
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: It must have been six years ago. Um. I had

521
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: an okay year hunting up to that point. But it

522
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: was like November four in a buck perfectly read the

523
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: script and came in and A shot him a ten

524
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: yards and um, I was so sure A double lung him,

525
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: and I saw the arrow he uh ran off. The

526
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: blood looked great. It was you know, the bubbly pink blood.

527
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: I was ignorant and sent out text messages like bb

528
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: D got on and man never again until I'm like

529
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: holding those antlers in my hand. Um. But I was

530
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: super confident that I just crushed this buck. And I waited,

531
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: you know, probably forty five minutes an hour, and I

532
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: picked up the blood trail and followed it forever and

533
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: was down to the point where it's just drops, and

534
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: I ended up one longing that deer. I'm sure he

535
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: died a mile later, miles later. But I just never

536
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: found him, and it bugged me endlessly for the rest

537
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: of the year. He got me really down. Um, and

538
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that like, um, waiting longer for the

539
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: recovery would have been the answer, Like that would have

540
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: resulted in me having, you know, this deer now on

541
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: my wall or something. It was just the poor shot

542
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: selection of a slightly quartering two deer that I don't

543
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: think I'll ever take that shot again, or um, I'll

544
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: just bring that shot more forward, because is it sucked?

545
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: What happened that really really sucked? Walk us through the

546
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: actual encounter, Like how did it work out this deer

547
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: coming in? What were you doing? What led you being

548
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: forced into that shot? Like we forced in that shot?

549
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Or was it the first shot available and you were

550
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: like I gotta get it, Or what happened leading up

551
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: to that point? Uh? For most of the encounter he

552
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: was coming in described the buck to head one envisioned

553
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: this probably like by five It would have been my

554
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: best arm tree white tail at the time. Stoked to

555
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: have him and he was coming in pretty much head on,

556
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: and I had this encounter lasted probably three or four

557
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: minutes of just watching him come in because it was

558
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: on a field edge and then uh, he ended up

559
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: weaving through some trees and all of a sudden he

560
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: was at ten yards and that was the first shot

561
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I had, and I took the shot, and that ten

562
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: yard shot was like in front of me, whereas had

563
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I let him come a little bit further too, he

564
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: would have then been, you know, parallel with me. I

565
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: could have had a more broadside shot ideally, So that

566
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: that was another mistake I made. Um, But just that

567
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: quartering two shots and the huge like off and down,

568
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: I double along this thing. It's going to be dead

569
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: a hundred yards away, and then that not happening really sucked. Uh.

570
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: The shot placement, m hm, it was quartering to you

571
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: dramatically just a little bit. You said, what was it?

572
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Just a little bit. It was such a rush too,

573
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: and and I was, I don't know about cocky about it,

574
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: but I was confident that I killed this year and

575
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: it was only ten yards. Ten yards should be a

576
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: dead deer or anybody. And so I think there was

577
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: like a lapse in my uh attention to detail as

578
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: well as far as where I might have hit this thing.

579
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: But I felt like the the blood and the arrow

580
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: confirmed that I double lung this year? Do you remember

581
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: at the shot. I know that I've had a tendency

582
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: um on like gimme shots that and this is a

583
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: bigger issue that I will speak to and address. But

584
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: on the gimme shots, especially like as soon as the

585
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: pin hits the bowl, bamn, I'm firing, Like I like,

586
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't take the time on those gimme shots because

587
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: it just seems so easy. And I know, like you

588
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: should be taking the spot sink in your eye, like

589
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: right in and then you know, pulling back on it.

590
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: But did you feel like it was? It was so

591
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: easy you couldn't mess up, so you just did it.

592
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: And maybe it was an issue like that. Yeah, Um,

593
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: there was. Also I didn't bother stopping the year because

594
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: he was ten yards, and so I think there was

595
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: there's a lesson to be learned there as well. Uh,

596
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: it just seemed like too easy of a shot. I

597
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: was coming off the year before my shot a buck

598
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: at thirty five yards. He died within fifty yards. I

599
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: double longed him. Um, So I was confident that a

600
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: ten yard shot should be a dead deer and it

601
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: should have been, and I just messed up. Where do

602
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: you guys stand on the stop, don't stop, debate? What

603
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: do you do? You typically stop dear spencer, typically stop him?

604
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: And is there any situation where wouldn't other than that one?

605
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Maybe just how aware of me it is, or how

606
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: on edge it is if it thinks there's something up

607
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: or um. One time I stopped it to hear that

608
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I grunted at twice, and when he came in and

609
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I ended up stopping him before I shot, he knew

610
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: then that something was up because he came into an

611
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: area where, like, son of a bitch, I should be

612
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: able to see this buck that just grunted at me.

613
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: I made the mistake of like nat, doing that at

614
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: him and stopping him, and then it was like he

615
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: knew it was up. I shot him and killed him.

616
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: He didn't go very far. But in that case he

617
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: was on edge um. There was too much information available

618
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: to him to know that there was not that buck there.

619
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: And so that was a case where I stopped him

620
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have. But in most cases I prefer to

621
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: stop it because because the argument against it, it's kind

622
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: of you you're um sort of speaking to, which is

623
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: if you stop them verbally with a sound, you put

624
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: them on edge and you give it a better chance

625
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: of a buck like jumping the string, so dropping down

626
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: the arrow goes over his back, that kind of thing,

627
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Tony Man. I'm it's all situational, you know. If they're

628
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: if they're cruising through and it's it's going real fast,

629
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna try to stop them, you know. Um,

630
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: if I think they're gonna stop naturally, or if they're

631
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: just walking in there close. A lot of times I don't,

632
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: I just dump them, you know. And it's just it's

633
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: like one of those things you just read in the moment,

634
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: you know. And once in a while you get one

635
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: of those deers that you murp at to try to

636
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: get him a stop, and he turns around and runs

637
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: out of your life, and I really wish that wouldn't happen.

638
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: So it just it just depends. And I do think

639
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: it does come with experience a little bit too, like

640
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: knowing when you can get away with it when you can't. Um,

641
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm you know, I definitely I feel

642
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: like there's a chance that they'll stop themselves, and off

643
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: time I would rather than do it naturally, for sure.

644
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't have that snare but I've I've

645
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: heard of some people, especially new hunters, were like, if

646
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: you watch hunting TV at all, it seems like every

647
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: single time someone shoots a deer, they got they first thought,

648
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: got Maratt And so you got new hunters who have

649
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: like a deer standing stock still in front of them

650
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: or like really still. They were like they could stop

651
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: at any point and then people and then shoot him. Um,

652
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: you don't need to do that. It's like a taunt

653
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know what it is, or you know,

654
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I think some people on TV do it because like

655
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: they want to pretty shot, like the picture they want.

656
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you know, you hear it on the TV show,

657
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: it's not the hunter, it's the cameraman doing it, you know,

658
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: so they have it in frame. Yeah. So I think

659
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: that you, as a hunter need to remember that you

660
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: don't need the pretty video shot. You don't do They

661
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: don't have to murp him, don't murp him. I'm sure

662
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: you guys have one recovered deer, but have you ever

663
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: single lunged a deer before? I So, the only unrecovered

664
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: deer I had was not a single lung the buck

665
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: I killed him Montana, I nicked one lung and ever.

666
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: But I don't have a single long buck that that

667
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: I can think of, or any deer of any kind

668
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: that I didn't recover Tony I have. Yeah, I mean,

669
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: you know the thing about saying that is if you

670
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: don't recover from, how do you really know? You know?

671
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: But I I shot one one time in the in

672
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: the Twin Cities. I got on this vegetable farm by

673
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: my house, and these deer were just like on this

674
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: little carrot field. It was like incredible. And as soon

675
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: as I got permission and I saw what was going on,

676
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: and this was like a guy's garden by the house. No, no, no,

677
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: it's an organic vegetable farm. So it's a farm. But

678
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: they have liked a whole field of carrots and never

679
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: hunted carrots before. And I went out. I got permission,

680
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: My buddy got his permission, and I went out and

681
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: glassed it. It was the season was already in and

682
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there just glassing, and I just watched all

683
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: of the like twelve bucks come running in and it's

684
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like they're plucking these carrots out of this looser, you know,

685
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: and they're they're hold them up like bugs, Bunny. They

686
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: chop a field, let it go. And I'm like, this

687
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: is like a dream. It's it's like two minutes from

688
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: my front door. And so I went in there. There

689
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: was no good place to hang a stands. I just

690
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: went and built a little groundbine under the cedar tree

691
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: and had all these deer pour in. I had I'll

692
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: never forget. I had three turkeys right behind me, all

693
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: these deer in the field in a in a ambulance

694
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: went by, and all the turkeys were goblin at the

695
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: siren the all time, and they were like right over

696
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: my shoulder. And these bucks started coming in. And the

697
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: first good one, which was a really nice deer, got

698
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: in there and a dough busted me as I drew

699
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: and kind of put the whole thing on edge, and

700
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: I shot him, just squaring the shoulder from the ground.

701
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: But I was like, well, you know, it hit hard,

702
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: and he went running off. I had a lighted knock

703
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and not my arrow went spiraling up in the air.

704
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it, and I looked for that dear.

705
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: That was one of those ones. It's one of the

706
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: reasons I don't hunt those places anymore, because you're like

707
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: a hundred yards from people's backyards and it's you know

708
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: that that farm in the neighboring farm where we got

709
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: permission to look for him are pretty big. But it

710
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: was just weird. I don't like being in that situation,

711
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: but that's one deer where I'm like, I'm pretty positive

712
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I took out one long just the way watching it

713
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: hit and watching how it transpired, and I never never

714
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: got I've never saw him again. I don't know if

715
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: he I don't. I'd like to think he survived, but

716
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: who knows. You know, he probably didn't. The mistake or wheah,

717
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: I shot him in the shoulder. That was dumb. I

718
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: should have shot him behind the shoulder. Well, I mean

719
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: my mistake was, in all honesty, was I rushed it

720
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: because what happened is I had all these deer and

721
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: all this stuff going on, and that dough busted me,

722
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and I just instead of just concentrating on the shot,

723
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: I concentrated on Now, this whole situation is going to evaporate.

724
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: She's gonna blow this up. And in my career, my

725
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: hunting career, so many of the screw ups I've made shooting,

726
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, missing or hitting him poorly have been just

727
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: because I didn't let it breathe. I just didn't let

728
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: I didn't take my time, and you think about it,

729
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's like literally the difference between taking your

730
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: time and not take in your time. It's three seconds

731
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: for five seconds, but it's like just that freaking rush it. Man,

732
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: you gotta get this, you gotta make it happen. And

733
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: I try so hard in my life now to not

734
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: fall into that, and sometimes I do just from you know,

735
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: you get in the moment. It's crazy. But it's like

736
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: young hunters, you see that so much. And that's like

737
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to Spencer talking about this book that

738
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: he lost and saying, you know it's ten yards, how

739
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: did I screw it up? And you know it might

740
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: have been slightly quartering whatever. I always think about that

741
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: because we always think we know exactly what happened, right,

742
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: But if we don't find him, we don't know. And

743
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: you just you know, if you if you take newbies

744
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: out a lot, and it still happens to us. But

745
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: if you take people out, you know, ask any guide

746
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: out there, like what happens? So double lungo, I double lungo,

747
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I double they go out, it's gut shot it's hitting

748
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: the brisket, it's hit all you know, like we we

749
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: just fill in the blanks mentally, man, And it's a

750
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: lot of times I don't I don't think we get

751
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: it right. I mean, it's it's so easy to to

752
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: to rush things. But then like you said, to also

753
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: put pressure to make it happen right now, because we

754
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're you're getting into a pretty

755
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: serious but you're still early in that process. So you

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: went out all spring and scouted, You went shed hunting,

757
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: you hunted, You hiked miles and miles and miles and miles,

758
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: picked up sheds and scouted and found betting hears. You

759
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: went out there in the summer and you hung tree stands,

760
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: and you hung trail cameras, and you sat out there

761
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: in the evening and scout of bean fields. And you're

762
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: random a couple of miles every day to make sure

763
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: you were good enough, fit enough to be a hike

764
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: in a couple of miles in the public land. You

765
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: did all this stuff, you put in days and days

766
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: and days and days and days and days and days

767
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: and days and days and days of work, and it

768
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: all comes down to the next ten seconds of my life.

769
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: I will either cashing on that investment of time and

770
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: energy in my life or I will not talk about

771
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on a couple of seconds. It's

772
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: really easy to say I gotta get now. I mean,

773
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I've fallen into that for sure. Early on it was

774
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: like there's a little window I can maybe slip the

775
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: shot in there. If I don't take this shot, never

776
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: get get the shot again. And I was at that point,

777
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I gotta take the shot. I think a lot of

778
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: time you learn a hard lesson if you do that,

779
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: whether it be with a miss, whether it be with

780
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: wounding a deer, and you realize how much worse the

781
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: scenario is. I would much much much rather not get

782
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: a shot at all than rush one and wound a

783
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: deer and deal with what that means. But that's sometimes

784
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: something that has to be experienced before you actually start

785
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: to be able put into play. Dude, I think it.

786
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: I think you have to go through it, and I

787
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's just there's a lot going on.

788
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: But part of it's just pure ego, like we all

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: go through. We want to possess that big buck, like

790
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: you believe me, you want to show that picture off,

791
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: and I think you go through the stage where like

792
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna screw up a lot, you're gonna fail a ton,

793
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: and then you kind of just you get to the

794
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: point where you learn, like that deer, it's awesome, it

795
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that much to your life, like and really,

796
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, it really doesn't mean that much

797
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: to anybody else, and you kind of go, it's still

798
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: it's still an amazing thing, and it's a driver, but

799
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: you understand that this isn't the end all like this is,

800
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, And and if you don't get this one,

801
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: like you know, it might take you another year. But

802
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: if you stick at this long enough and you work

803
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't enough, you're going to get another chance, you know.

804
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: And the opposite is the other side of the coin

805
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: is the opposite, and that if you force a shot

806
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: for your ego and you wound an animal or you

807
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: hit it and it dies two weeks later, we're talking

808
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: about the very serious nature of life, Like you are

809
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: screwing with the life of an animal that could suffer,

810
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: that could have a really horrible, horrible end to its existence.

811
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: And that's something I don't think that you want to be.

812
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to be trifling with just to stroke

813
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: your ego. It's bad ju ju man, It's bad, bad,

814
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: all the way around. And it's not even like always

815
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: ego related, just not having that much experience with a

816
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: live animal in front of you, just not knowing how

817
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: that encounter is going to unfold. And I think about

818
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: my like first years of archery, turkey hunting a lot,

819
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: and all the times I messed up not knowing when

820
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: to draw on a turkey and just screwing up a

821
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: perfect encounter that had I let it go, you know,

822
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: ten more seconds, I would have had a turkey with

823
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: his fan up, with his back to me and a

824
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: perfect shot. But it just takes some actual encounters. It's

825
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: it's so the thing that's such so much more easier

826
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: said than done. You just need to experience it and

827
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: uh potentially have those screw ups to to figure out

828
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: what you need to do this this exact scenario. And

829
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't know I should have thought about this when

830
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: we first started talking about this. One of my biggest

831
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: groups of all time, the biggest failures, and I've talked

832
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: about it extensively in past years, but now where this

833
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: podcast have been around so long, there might be a

834
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of people that hadn't heard that way back until

835
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the thirteen I think it was. But um, I did

836
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: this very exact same thing with the biggest Buck, I

837
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: would have had a shot in my life at that point.

838
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: It's a great big buck. I called him job breaker,

839
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: talked about him a lot, and you're one. Had some

840
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: cool encounters, didn't get him. Year two, it was all

841
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: about trying to kill this dear. Lots of excitement build

842
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: up around it. I thought I found his bad I

843
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: thought I knew where he was coming going from This

844
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: whole thing worked out really cool, where like one morning

845
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in Mischian into my office and typing away,

846
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: and then I had this feeling like I got just

847
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: like I think I need to be in Ohio today,

848
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and I looked at the weather and I saw a

849
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: front was coming in. I'm like, there's a front coming.

850
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: It's October fift or something. I know where he's betted.

851
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this one wind direction. I was like,

852
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: if I had a south southwest wind and a cold

853
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: front hit, even if it's in mid October, I bet

854
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you can kill him. And like it was like one

855
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: of those weird gut things where like usually you don't

856
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: really know, you know, usually don't really have such a

857
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: clear calling to like this is something stupid. It was.

858
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: It was a weird thing that I don't know if

859
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I can speak to another example like this, but I

860
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta go. I ran upstairs to my

861
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: wife's office and say, hey, honey, I gotta go. I'm

862
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: driving five hours down to Ohio. I think I killed

863
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: job record at night, and so barreled down all the way.

864
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: It was raining, cold, set up in this perfect one

865
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: set up where I was gonna kill job breaker, and

866
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: he didn't show up. I didn't see him. Woke up

867
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: the next morning, start driving back to Michigan. I get

868
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: stuck in traffic on the highway. On the way back

869
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: to Michigan. I'm sitting in the car beating myself up

870
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: about it. Think and think and thinking. You drove all

871
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: the way down here for one night's hunt five hours

872
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: five hours. Have I said that many times that you're

873
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: teasing me about it. I genuinely miss that. Uh so

874
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: there's a five hour drive literally just um, I'm stuck

875
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: in traffic on the highway, and I convinced myself again

876
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: to turn around. You gotta do it. You gotta try

877
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: it one more time. Turn around, drive back down, get

878
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: set up. This time he shows up. He comes walking

879
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: off from this ditch, crosses right underneath me, like twenty

880
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: some yards away or something. Kind of a situation where

881
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: was a gimme shot, except for the rushing part. Came

882
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: that I had seen him step out of the ditch

883
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: and there was about a ten remember than that twenty

884
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: some yard wide little opening that he was walking across,

885
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: and I did two things. I number one, to get

886
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: into the position to get a shot that I thought

887
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: I needed, I grabbed my bone. I had to do

888
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: a full three spin to be able to get away,

889
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, around this and shoot around the backside of

890
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: the tree. And then number two, I believed I needed

891
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: to film it, so I took the extra three seconds

892
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to turn on the camera, spin the camera, and get

893
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: it on this deer. All the while I'm doing those

894
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: two things, the deer is walking across the clearing. By

895
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: the time I get those things, we have dogs in

896
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: the office, so there's a little bunking going on. By

897
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: the time I got those things done, he was at

898
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: the very end of the clearing and there was some

899
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: bushy trees that he was just starting to walk behind.

900
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: And I don't I definitely didn't have like the thought

901
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: like what, didn't have a conversation with myself at the moment,

902
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: but for no doubt about it, in my head, I

903
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: was like this now or never, you gotta shoot. Shoot,

904
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: like this is your last possible chance. All this, all

905
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: the two years of time, and then this whole like

906
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: two days saga back and forth, back and forth, thinking

907
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen, then didn't happen, things gonna happen,

908
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Like there was so much put in this moment that

909
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: I absolutely rushed that shot. I fiddled with too much

910
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: stuff up in the first place, and then I rushed

911
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: it when I finally did get the shot and I

912
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: got shot him, and that buck I didn't recover until

913
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: the next February. I don't know what happened. He might

914
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: have died. I searched him for two days. Maybe he

915
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: died and I didn't find him within that time period.

916
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't die for a week, maybe he didn't

917
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: die for two I don't know, but whatever it was,

918
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: it was not good. Um and so that has just

919
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: stuck with me forever. To the point now that I

920
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: so after that happened, I was like, Okay, I rushed

921
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: that shot, screw up. I gotta practice more or whatever.

922
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: So I thought I practiced more, practice warn't get better.

923
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: And then I had another time where I found rushing

924
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: the shot again, and then I would tell myself, but

925
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: you're fine on the target behind the house. You're fine,

926
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. You still kill these deer. You're

927
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: doing fine. It's not a big deal. And then a

928
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: couple more years one of that where I'm like trying

929
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: to convince myself it's not an issue. Finally I realized,

930
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just not worth screwing wrong with

931
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: something like this. Like so as as many people know now,

932
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: I've been like tearing down my whole archery process and

933
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: rebuilding to try to find a new way to better

934
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: control those final moments, to be in control of the shot,

935
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: to have an unanticipated release, so I'm not punching the

936
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: trigger or rushing it. Trying to trying to find all

937
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: these different things so that there's nothing I'm working at

938
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: harder now than figuring out those last moments, because it's

939
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: not it's so easy to grow up and it's not

940
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: worth it anyway. There's there's nothing I don't think that

941
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: probably demands more of our attention than being able to

942
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: execute in those final moments. But so many people it's

943
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: the last thing they think about. There's a lot of

944
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: people who grab their bow two weeks before the season,

945
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: shoot it a couple of times. I hit the balls,

946
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm good to go, and then off they go. I

947
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: just do not think that is responsible with job Breaker.

948
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Do you think there was also, um like a failure

949
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: when it came to the post recovery, as far as

950
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: you may have pushed him too soon or anything like that,

951
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: so kind of like you, I don't think so, I

952
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't think we waited overnight. So

953
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I shot him in the evening right towards last light,

954
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: came back the next day, like I don't know, eight

955
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: am or something like that. So gave him a lot

956
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: of time. And then I had two different dogs too,

957
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: So first we went followed blood to the blood ran

958
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: out after the blood rand. Now we started doing circles nothing.

959
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine came who had a who had

960
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: a dog who was gonna come help. Anyways, he also

961
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: happened to have a pretty well trained dog. He helped

962
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: search for a day nothing and then actual listener, I've

963
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: been sharing everything on Facebook at the time. Someone who

964
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: was following along and said, hey, I'm not too far away.

965
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: I do this professionally. Whatever, I could bring my dog

966
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: the next day. So I spent two full days looking

967
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: with dogs um and and I didn't rush it. So

968
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: I think we we did everything we possibly could to

969
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: try to find that deer. Now. The weird thing, though,

970
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: is come back two months later or three month whatever

971
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: it was when I was back there to go shed hunting,

972
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: like the first day of February, first week of February,

973
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. We show up and that buck is

974
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: right in a spot that we walked by like I

975
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: can't say we walked within sight of it, but we

976
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: walked like it couldn't have been more than twenty yards away.

977
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: He was down like a ditch and there's a little

978
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: tiny it was like the head of a ditch at

979
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: the bottom's that's the oppos of the whatever, that's the

980
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: bottom of the ditch sort of. And there was a

981
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: spot telling a natural betting spot probably that a buck there.

982
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: He was right there, so we couldn't he might have

983
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: been in the whole time and somehow we just missed it.

984
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: But with those dogs smelled it, I mean, the odds

985
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: of that, the odds of two dogs missing it so slim.

986
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: So I wonder, you know, this is just speculation on

987
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: my part, but like I think about something like that,

988
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and I go, that was probably not just a direct

989
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: gut punch situation. It was probably one of those deals

990
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: where it maybe looked like that, but it was maybe

991
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: real low or real high or on the lower side

992
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: it was, so it was more like contestined. Well, I

993
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: was gonna say, because I hit one. I had a

994
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: big one on public land two years ago in South

995
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Dakota that hit low. I shot at him from a

996
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: ground blind and my limb hit the ground blind. The

997
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: whole world exploded, and I thought I missed him, went

998
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: out there, found blood and ended a long story short,

999
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: ended up finding eight hours later shooting him again. And

1000
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: I had hit him like that where it was like

1001
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: he caught some guts, but not just a center punch thing.

1002
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: And so I always wonder about that buck. If we

1003
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: hadn't caught up to him and got really lucky to

1004
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: find him and get another arrow in him. I don't

1005
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: think a twenty four hour a weight would have been

1006
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: enough for that dear, Like when we what he was

1007
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: capable of doing, what he was thinking about stuff, he

1008
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: had his faculties about him, you know, eight hours later.

1009
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: And so that buck that you shot like that, you

1010
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: know if you just if you naked enough to kill

1011
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: him over time, but it could be, you know, because

1012
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: with with two good ducks, that DearS, if he's gut

1013
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: shot in dead, you find him, I think you would,

1014
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: so he's you know that it almost makes it way

1015
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: worse because how long was he out there? Who knows suffering?

1016
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I mean that will go down. Hopefully

1017
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: that will go to the worst, like the lowest point

1018
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: of my journeys Hunter. Hopefully it never gets worse than that,

1019
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: because I have for a long time felt pretty darn

1020
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: bad about that and have tried to learn from it

1021
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: and still working to address issues of that and try

1022
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: and get better every year. But that one sticks with you. Yeah,

1023
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: You've had some challenges with buck fever and stuff like that,

1024
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: the two right now, old brother, I don't know, I

1025
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: don't know if there's anybody in the world who's ever

1026
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: had it worse. I mean, you guys are sitting here

1027
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: talking about were you know before this, like talking about, oh,

1028
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: I've missed three deer. I'm like, I missed three deer

1029
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: in a day. Like I'm like, I I spent it

1030
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: quite a bit of my life. I wanted it so bad,

1031
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, I just growing up, I just wanted to

1032
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: be a successful bow hunter so bad. And the first

1033
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: couple of years I hunted, I couldn't hardly buy a

1034
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: deer sighting. So when I started finally getting like a

1035
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: few deer around me, it was like such a big

1036
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: deal that had no chance of holding it together. And

1037
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: I'd go through these periods where like for a while,

1038
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: I might make a couple of good shots in a row,

1039
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: and then it flame out for like six shots, you know,

1040
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: and I just I had to look at it. And

1041
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: it finally came to a head with me in in Minnesota,

1042
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: probably in I don't know, two thousand and I don't

1043
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: know five or something. I guess maybe maybe a little

1044
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: earlier than that. But sitting on a tree stand on

1045
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: like Halloween, you know, just just the night, and sitting

1046
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: in a place where they cruise, and I had this

1047
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: is this is gonna make me sound dumb, and I'm

1048
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: not that I am. So we had gone to uh,

1049
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: we had gone to a concert at Fine Line Music

1050
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: Cafe in Minneapolis. I had the whole week off to hunt,

1051
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: and like the Sunday night we went to a concert

1052
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: or Saturday night or whatever. And I was freaking deaf

1053
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: concert Blue October. We're getting all these other details. So yeah,

1054
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: so it was a Blue October concert and there was

1055
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: like twenty five people there and it was so freaking loud.

1056
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: It was. It was a blast. But I remember my

1057
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: wife and I had we had at the time, she

1058
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: was not my wife yet, but we had a hotel

1059
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: room and I remember laying in the room at night

1060
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: like thinking, Okay, now I'm driving to southern Minnesota tomorrow.

1061
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: I can't hear anything, like nothing, And so I go

1062
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: down there to hunt, hunt for a couple of days

1063
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting on stand and it was like the

1064
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: it was I've gone to one concert. I love music.

1065
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: I've gone to one concert since that entire time. Because

1066
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: that scared me so bad because I would sit there.

1067
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: I'll never forget I was sitting there in that stand

1068
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: and I'd hear I'd see the trees like the wind

1069
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: blown to the trees, and I couldn't hear it. It

1070
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: was so like from me. And I looked down and

1071
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: this fork he came walking by, couldn't hear him in

1072
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: the leaves and he betted down and I'm like, I

1073
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: can't hear that, dear, like eight yards away. So anyway,

1074
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: this is not what where I'm going with. That is

1075
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: not the failure. That was a failure, and that was

1076
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: dumb different kind of dumb um. And so you know,

1077
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: and if you want to talk about dumb um, I've

1078
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: like tried to preserve my hearing so much since then

1079
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: because it really wigged me out. And I had a

1080
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: buddy shoot at a gross like three years ago right

1081
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: by my ear and like doubled the ringing in my

1082
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: left ear. Maybe I lay at night. I'm still pissed

1083
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: at him about this. So anyway, total total sidebar. But

1084
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: that night, I'm sitting there and it's just the night,

1085
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, and I but I can't hear. And I

1086
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: look up and here's this buck walking by and he's

1087
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: got you know, he's got just a wall of times,

1088
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: like just that typical twelve point type deer and he's

1089
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: like one fifties, you know, and to me at that time,

1090
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: that was like an unreal dear, like to seat to

1091
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: see it let alone. And I remember just watching my

1092
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: arrow sail over his back like never aimed, not just

1093
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: drew and you know, like road spray and prey, and

1094
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy sh it, I screwed it up so bad.

1095
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: And so he just kind of trotted a little ways

1096
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: and then I'm in panic mode, like because he's like

1097
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: fifty yards away now, like, oh, I know something's going on.

1098
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: He stopped at scrape and I got another air on

1099
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like every deer sound you can make, snore, whees, athletes, fawns, rattles,

1100
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: whatever party sounds, I don't care I'm doing. I'm like,

1101
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: please come back into like range, please. And as I'm

1102
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: calling to this buck, I just like look over my

1103
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: shoulder and here comes this like a pointer right by me.

1104
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: So I called in this dear, and I just spun

1105
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: around and I shot, and that buck was so close.

1106
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: When I missed him, that arrow stuck in the ground

1107
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: and he dropped a turn and he snapped my arrow

1108
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: and ran off, and I was like, it's you want

1109
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: to talk about? Like a formative moment in your life.

1110
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: Like I was sitting there and I was like, how

1111
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: do I just destroy everything? Like I immediately just turned

1112
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: in the joke er. I'm like, I just want to

1113
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: watch the world burn. I freaking hate everything. And it

1114
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: was like it hit me so hard because it was

1115
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: two opportunities that, you know, they just don't come around.

1116
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: And it was like a ten minute. It was like,

1117
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: in ten minutes, I did that and I'm not And

1118
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: that wasn't like the first dear I had missed, you know, like,

1119
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not going to be able

1120
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: to continue to bow hunt if I don't have confidence

1121
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: like that I can do this. And I had to.

1122
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I had to take apart the whole thing and start over.

1123
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: To man, it was I felt like, I don't know,

1124
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: have you guys ever hunted with traditional gear, hunted with

1125
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: recurve bla blah blah. So I did a little experiment,

1126
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, when I was in college. I'm like, I'm

1127
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna go, I'm gonna try to kill one with a recurve.

1128
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, a ton of practice. I ended up. I

1129
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: missed a few deer, I killed a decent buck, which

1130
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: was freaking awesome, killed a dough and I was like,

1131
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe this is maybe I can

1132
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: do this. You know. The next year, I just never

1133
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: I shot a lot. I just never got to the

1134
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: point where I was like, I totally feel okay carrying

1135
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: this in the woods. I started the season with it,

1136
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: but I knew, like I had this guilt like you're

1137
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: not you're not there, man, Like you shouldn't be out

1138
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: here with this, and so I stopped. I went, you know,

1139
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: I went back to a compound. But I realized I

1140
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: was like feeling that way even though I knew, like

1141
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: you said, I could sit there at the target hit

1142
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: it no problem, but when I went out of the woods,

1143
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I'm like, I'm scared to see

1144
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: that deer coming in because I'm gonna screw this up.

1145
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: And that's like, if you're there, if you're at that place,

1146
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: you're in a bad spot. Man. Yeah, that's that's the truth.

1147
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: And I I'm trying to think here. I mean the

1148
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: same thing you could if we want to stick to

1149
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: this topic. I have had somewhat similar issue, different but

1150
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: similar with gun hunting and that I shoot my bow

1151
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: at ton, I shoot my guns almost never, like if

1152
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll shoot a couple of times, you know, just for

1153
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: fun with friends. But then I basically in my past

1154
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: with fire arms, I don't do very much fire running.

1155
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: So it's usually like you go out there the day before,

1156
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the week before and shoot it once, shoot twice, whatever,

1157
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: make sure yeah I hit the bulls eyre hit close

1158
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: and all right, it's it's still on from last year.

1159
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: And then you go at it um and then all

1160
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden you wonder why you missed something or

1161
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: things don't go well. So I mean, for example, I

1162
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: it was two thousand, it was the year before that

1163
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: job breaker shot, and now I was I was hunting

1164
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: a job breaker this year. But there was also this

1165
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: other buck I was hunting that was a year younger,

1166
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years younger, um. And fast forward through.

1167
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: We saw a few times during both season. It's December

1168
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: now and another one of the situation was a big snowstorm,

1169
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: cold front coming through. I drove down for the front,

1170
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: hit it. It It was a blizzard like conditions. I had

1171
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: shot a muzzlotter, had shot my muzzlotter once, you know,

1172
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: the week before, just to make sure it's good. I

1173
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: get out there and now I found myself in a

1174
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: situation where I'm trying to climb up into the tree stand.

1175
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: It was so much ice on the steps. I couldn't

1176
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: get into the tree stand. So I go to another stand,

1177
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: same thing. Can't get any of my tree stand. So

1178
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: I just walked and find a tree stand next to

1179
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: a tree on the edge of the field blizzard like conditions.

1180
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: A doe in this book ends up walking out. I

1181
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: have not spent much time at all trying to range

1182
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: deer at long ranges with the without a range finder.

1183
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to range this deer. It was so

1184
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: much snow and wet and crap. I couldn't get a

1185
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: range on him. He's out there. Obviously I believed he

1186
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 1: was within range. It looked like he was close enough,

1187
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: but I'm not. You know, I don't have a good rest.

1188
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly as range. It's snowing, it's blizzarding.

1189
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: I shot the muzzler a couple of times that year,

1190
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: leaning up against the tree paw. The buck looks up,

1191
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: looks around, gets back down to feeding. It'm like, oh

1192
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: my god, I missed him. Freaking out. This has been

1193
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing like the whole year been

1194
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: going by. I had all these different clothes, calls, nothing

1195
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: was coming together. This was early, this was in that

1196
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: still I haven't really stressed out about stuff phase. So

1197
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: I felt this pressure. I had to kill a good buck.

1198
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: I reload, takes all the time, jam all the powder

1199
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: and the sabbath, everything down there, get back up. He's

1200
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: still staying there, leaning the gun against the against the tree.

1201
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: The buck looks up, takes a couple of runs to

1202
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: bounce off, stops looking at me again. Oh my god,

1203
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. Start reloading, and then he

1204
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: finally goes off. But as he's going off, he's kind

1205
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: of slowly walking away. I'm halfway through loading my third shell.

1206
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: I feel something like dripping into my eyes. Wipe my hands.

1207
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: I scoped myself, blood coming down my face. I just

1208
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: missed the best buck. I had a chance that all

1209
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: your toys, and it's because I never practiced with my

1210
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: gun ever. I never practiced in shots lead against the tree.

1211
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: I never prepared for adverse conditions with the gun. I've

1212
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: never practiced shooting without ranging it, so I didn't know

1213
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: how far. I didn't even know what the max range

1214
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: was for the muzzler. I you know, I was like,

1215
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: it's over a hundred yards, but probably under two hundred,

1216
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: I'll hit him. But you know, I shouldn't have been

1217
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: going out there like that. It shouldn't have known that.

1218
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: All right, if it's going to be a hundred twenty

1219
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: five yards, you make that shot on the bowl. But

1220
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: if he's a hundred fifty, you better aim and inch high.

1221
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: And if he's a hundred seventy, you're at the extent

1222
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: of your range or whatever it might be. Like now

1223
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting the point where I realized you can't skimp

1224
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: on things on the fire ELFs side too. And I

1225
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: I had grown up in a world where we hunted

1226
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: with firearms for a few days a year up north,

1227
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: and the longest shot you would ever have as fifty yards.

1228
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: And it was in that situation, at least in our

1229
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: family culture, you shot the night before. If it was

1230
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: still on, you go. And we we saw one deer

1231
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: every ten years, so you weren't really gonna get shot aways.

1232
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: So now it's a different scenario. And I feel like

1233
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: it just comes down to so many failures in the

1234
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: hunting woods come down to those final moments. But how

1235
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: much of our time throughout the years spent preparing for that.

1236
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: For a lot of us, there's a lot of time scouting,

1237
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of time hanging stands, a lot time checking

1238
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: trail cameras, showing your buddy pictures, a lot of time

1239
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: doing all that stuff. It's easy to sometimes skimp on

1240
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: the other pieces it is. I mean, I think, uh,

1241
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, Spencer, is probably better to talk about this.

1242
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: You're probably probably the most accomplished gun hunter in this room,

1243
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: I would say, because I'm terrible at it and I'm

1244
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, listening to you talk about your experiences. Mark, Like,

1245
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat, Like I can't. If I

1246
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: have deer within bow range when I'm gun hunting their toast,

1247
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: it's awesome. But if I'm hunting like normal rifle ranges

1248
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: or even like an easy rifle shot, it's like not

1249
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. And for me, I found like I

1250
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: can miss a year with a rifle pretty easy if

1251
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: it's just standing there. But I'm pretty good at him

1252
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: when they're running. Like like, I don't I have a

1253
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: theory about this. I don't. And this is like only

1254
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: a few in my entire life. But and it actually

1255
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: the first the only time I've ever big game hunted

1256
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: out west where a rifle was with for antelope one

1257
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: time and I was like, I missed the antelope standing

1258
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: there broadside and smoked him running and you know, antalope

1259
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: pretty quick. I'm like that that had to be a fluke, right,

1260
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: But I've had that happened to me like three times

1261
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: with deer, and I've only killed a few with a rifle.

1262
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing, Like I think I just

1263
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: go on autopilot. I mean, I hunt with shotguns a

1264
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: lot on flying birds, and I think I just like

1265
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: take over a little bit there and go, okay, this

1266
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: is this is like it's like totally unintentional. I don't

1267
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: think I'm honestly don't think I'm good at it. I

1268
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: think it just lets me like takes my head out

1269
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: of that little part of it, and I'm better at

1270
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: it than when I actually get to sit there and

1271
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: think about it. But it's all like a familiarity comfort thing,

1272
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're not and like you said

1273
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: about the both thing, if you only take your bow

1274
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: out for two weeks before the season starts, you're gonna

1275
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: feel like I feel a little rifle like probably shouldn't

1276
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: even be there. You know, it's it's it's a rough thing.

1277
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like you just said yourself up for failure,

1278
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: you are the best thing for me has been hanging

1279
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: out with these mediator guys more often. They have gun

1280
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: hunts so much that I've been invited on rifle hunts

1281
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: now and there's a lot of peer pressure to make

1282
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 1: sure I'm not the worst shot there. So I'm very

1283
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: proud that on our last hunt we did a Couzier

1284
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: hunt this last year, everybody missed except for me. Nice. Nice, Yeah,

1285
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: And you know that's that's stout company I was with

1286
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: and I was the only one with one shot kill.

1287
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: So I'm learning. I'm getting better at it um, but

1288
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: it takes work, it takes experience. Like I had to

1289
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: shoot a lot this year or this was last year,

1290
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: Like the last two years, I've shot more than I

1291
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: ever have and uh, and that's not going to be

1292
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: a blip on the radar and to try and make

1293
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: that the norm. Yeah, I feel really compy with my rifle.

1294
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of rifle hunting. That was I

1295
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: started doing that before I was bow hunting, and I

1296
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: had like a stretcher. It was like seven straight deer

1297
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: that were one shot, one kill with my rifle, and

1298
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: I like felt unstoppable. Basically like, if there's something within

1299
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: two you on our fifty yards, it's dead. What does

1300
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Spencer do when he feels unstoppable, I'll tell you what

1301
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: he does. So, like I felt really really competent as

1302
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: a marksman with my rifle, but I like quickly realized

1303
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: that I was much too dependent on my bipod. Like

1304
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: almost all the shots I was taking was sitting with

1305
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: off of bipod or prone off of a bipod, which

1306
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: in that scenario it is so easy to hit your target.

1307
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: But one year I was hunting from the ground and

1308
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: I had a big white tail like a hunt buck

1309
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: coming through some crp that was ground level with me,

1310
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: and I tried to get a shot off of my bipod,

1311
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: but I was just too low. I couldn't get my

1312
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: scope high enough to even like get this thing in

1313
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: my scope. So then I had to shoot standing up,

1314
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: free handing it. And I stand up and get ready

1315
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: to shoot, and I was so lobbly. There wasn't there

1316
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: wasn't buck fever or anything like that. Like I just

1317
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: had to execute, you know, hunter and fifty yards shot

1318
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: standing up and I could not do it. And do

1319
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: you feel like that should be an easy shot? I

1320
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: think so standing up free hand hundred yards, I I

1321
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: don't know, I just I just don't maybe not that.

1322
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: But I wasn't even close, Like I didn't even feel

1323
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,959
Speaker 1: competent enough to consider pulling the trigger because I wasn't close,

1324
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: and I realized I was way way too dependent on

1325
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: my bipod. So you didn't shoot. I didn't shoot. Not Yeah,

1326
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: but if you could have seen my scope out in

1327
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: the field at this you had to realize, like for

1328
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: me to shoot, I feel like I would have had

1329
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: to have it in my scope. That's how wodly I

1330
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: think I was. But it was something that, uh, you know,

1331
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Spencer might have like

1332
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: an aim issue, Like he's really worried about when he

1333
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: aims things because earlier today, earlier today might be right.

1334
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: We're filming stuff today. So Spencer was wearing a microphone,

1335
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: like one of the wireless mics, and he's gonna go

1336
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: to the bathrooms and talks start. Production teams say how

1337
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: do I take this thing off? You know, I gotta

1338
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. And they're like, well, you can

1339
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: just do this or whatever, but he's like, you know,

1340
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: it's just fine, We're not gonna listen or anything. So

1341
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: Spencer goes in the bathroom, comes back out, and the

1342
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: microphones like obliterated. It's in three different pieces. Were like,

1343
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: what what did you do in there? And he goes, well,

1344
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, I have to get completely naked before pee,

1345
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: shoes off and everything. It looks like a Todd that

1346
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom. There's just a trailer closed, lady.

1347
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: The last thing you see his Spencer's underwear hanging up

1348
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: the door knob. So yeah, I feel like that must

1349
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: be because you're worried about your aim. You don't want

1350
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: to get anything on your pants, right, must feed must be.

1351
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let that linger. We're not gonna tell you

1352
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: whether that's true or not, but that that was eye

1353
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: opening for me. That like, yeah, just just like somebody

1354
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: with their bow. People preach this all the time, like

1355
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: practice from uncomfortable positions, like practice sitting down, practice sitting

1356
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: or standing up, practice drawing. You're like bent over and

1357
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: then you have to you know, straighten your back or whatever.

1358
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: And like I think archers who are serious are really

1359
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: good about doing that, but a lot of gun haunters aren't.

1360
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: Like after that, I mean out and I started practicing

1361
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: shooting off a fence post and practice you know, shooting

1362
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: off of leaning off of a tree and freehand and

1363
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: everything else, because, like I said, it was just too

1364
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: dependent on that bipod. It made it, uh like I

1365
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: just got lazy with doing everything else because I thought

1366
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: every shot would come easy off those two sticks where

1367
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: you have a really hard time messing up. Yeah, you

1368
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: know what that reminds me of kind of like what

1369
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about. It's like if you're in a turkey plant,

1370
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: or if you're in just a hub stop lind and

1371
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: you have your decoys or your shot set up in front,

1372
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: and you know that turkey comes in behind you and

1373
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: you have to open the window and scoot around and shoot.

1374
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: You screw that up every time, every time because it's

1375
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: not like the simple easy thing that you but you

1376
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: should probably be sitting in yard practicing for that. You know.

1377
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: Well that's this gets a little woo woo. But I

1378
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: think it has helped me a lot. And we talked

1379
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: about this with somebody recently. It was John Dudley or

1380
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't know who it was, but visualization like what

1381
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: I get into a tree every time I visualized actually

1382
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: imagine watching a deer come walking in front of me

1383
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,479
Speaker 1: into each of the different places I think a shot

1384
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: might happen, and I imagination station watch this buck come

1385
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: walking across in that lane. I will practice drawing back,

1386
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: imagine imagining stopping him um and making sure I can

1387
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: actually draw back, making sure I can move into position,

1388
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: and think through everything I'll do. And I try to

1389
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: do that each time in like three or four different

1390
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: locations in the tree. You got a lot of time,

1391
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: usually sitting up in the tree. That's a great way

1392
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: to use it in a productive fashion. And I do

1393
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: think like your brain operates a lot more smoothly when

1394
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: it's gone through a scenario, and even if it's faked,

1395
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: even if you were just visualizing it. Like there's so

1396
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: many examples of this outside just hunting, but in like

1397
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: the sports world and all these different yields. This stuff

1398
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: really does help your mind perform under pressure in the

1399
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: real scenario if you've already walked it through in your head.

1400
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: So I can't recommend doing that enough. I do that

1401
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time. When I'm gonna true

1402
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: stand aim at leaves that are you know, I think

1403
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: so too. I'm gonna vote not, I'm gonna vote. That's

1404
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: real world, good, solid advice. Good alright. I got the

1405
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson stampoo approval, but not than that woose stamp

1406
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: um uh so not woo woo. But we're still talking

1407
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: about state of mind issues, Spencer. You're really aggressive with

1408
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: certain things like related to clothing and using the bathroom onnot.

1409
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: I just imagine I couldn't stop thinking about, like what

1410
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: this would be like. Does he like really like petitely

1411
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: drop everything. He's like an animal that was never supposed

1412
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: to have clothes on in the first place. And it's weird.

1413
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Is this the same guy that thinks that Bobcats and

1414
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: Turkey's mate. He's got a lot of quirks, Tony. There

1415
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: are there are people who have told me that Bobcat

1416
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: Turkey think was the single best thing they've ever heard

1417
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: on a podcast ever. Spencer, he's a he's a he's

1418
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: a genius content. He brings some really special things to

1419
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: the table. But what I'm trying to get to here

1420
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: is that you told us that you have had issues

1421
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: as being not aggressive enough that's a failure of the past.

1422
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: Is that something worth speaking to? Yeah, I think if

1423
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: you are somebody who kind of like learns white tail

1424
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: hunting from magazines and watching TV and stuff like that,

1425
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: you see this pattern of these hunters have this property

1426
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: that has an area that you don't hunt until the

1427
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: rout and basically, you know, if you can haunt in September,

1428
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: you're hunting field edges, if you can haunt October, you're

1429
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: only haunting evenings and maybe little bit into Timber. But

1430
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: then like once it comes November, then you can haunt

1431
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: your better spots and uh like without having kind of

1432
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: a real world mentor for white tail hunting, I thought, Okay,

1433
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: that's what you do. That that's what you do. And

1434
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: so my first couple of years bow hunting, I had

1435
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: some success. I killed a few deer um doing just that,

1436
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's that's the answer, that's what

1437
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: it is. But then I struck out for like three

1438
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: years after that, and I learned that I was not

1439
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: being near aggressive enough. And it wasn't until like, um

1440
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of removed myself from those sources of information that

1441
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: like it's this you know, very practiced, uh like amount

1442
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: of pressure that you should apply or whatever like that.

1443
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: That's still relevant. You had to be smart. But when

1444
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: you pick and choose a hunt. Um. But I've had

1445
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like eye opening conversation with Tony, for example,

1446
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: about he is very aggressive when it comes to thing

1447
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: and I need to certainly do more of that. And

1448
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: like seven or eight years ago, I had to do

1449
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: way more of that because I wasn't even close to

1450
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: being aggressive, you know, I was doing just like the

1451
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: things that you should, like I said, field edgies and

1452
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: just the evenings and then maybe a morning and stuff

1453
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: like that. And like if you have a certain set

1454
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: of circumstances that works really well, right, I mean, it's

1455
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: all about like reading your situation right and finding that

1456
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: balancing act right, like what is necessitated here and what

1457
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: what can you get away with? What can't you get with?

1458
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: There are scenarios like you know, I mean we're talking

1459
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: about like the juries of locastokies or something that you

1460
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: get these huge farms control everything. You can keep the

1461
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: pressure below that methodology that they use from you can't

1462
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: argue it doesn't work for them, right, And and like

1463
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: it's just not relevant to everybody else. Ten or fifteen

1464
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: years ago, that was kind of the only information available,

1465
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: not not literally the only stuff, but that was so

1466
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: much of what you saw. But now there's a lot

1467
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: more guys that speak to you kind of that aggress

1468
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: same style of haunting. You hear about it with you know,

1469
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: the Haunting Beast and people like Tony and huying public guys. Um, Like,

1470
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that is completely the answer either, but

1471
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: there's a balancing act. And I wasn't there for my

1472
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,839
Speaker 1: first few years ago. That was certainly a problem. Was sorry,

1473
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: that's ah. I mean, that's just a symptom of getting

1474
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: your information from the wrong place. I mean, like you said,

1475
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: you didn't really have a choice, but you always have

1476
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: to like vet where this is the advice is coming from,

1477
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, I would use the

1478
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: example like if if Mrs Peterson got hit by a

1479
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: bus tomorrow and I got dating advice from Brad Pitt,

1480
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't be relevant to me, right, Like he

1481
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: probably had an easier life going after the ladies than

1482
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: I would, and so it wouldn't be It would be like,

1483
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, when when somebody who lives on a thousand

1484
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: acres or four thousand acres in southern Iowa says, you know,

1485
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: hunter food plots leave these sanctuaries alone and move it

1486
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: like that plan is awesome for them. It's a good idea.

1487
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: And like Mark said, if you have that go ahead,

1488
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, we know that that's the best way to

1489
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: do it. Most people don't have that. You know, if

1490
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: you're hunt in public land in Pennsylvania, that's like that

1491
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: is absolutely worthless advice to you, basically, And so it's

1492
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: like a matter of just and that's why these guys,

1493
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: like the Hunting public and stuff have got so popular.

1494
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: They're showing you like, here's here's your world, guys, here's

1495
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: what we're doing in your world, and you go, holy cow,

1496
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: you know it's it's amazing. And you know they're still

1497
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: doing stuff differently and you know, taking different tactics and stuff,

1498
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: but it just opens up the world to like more

1499
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: relevant advice to each of our situations, I think, And

1500
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: I think the key thing at least that I have

1501
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: taken is like my favorite thing about doing this podcast

1502
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: over all these years is getting to talk to so

1503
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: many different people who have all had a whole lot

1504
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: of success, and many of them do it in wildly

1505
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: different ways, Like there's so many different ways to do it.

1506
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: And I still believe that it's not worthless to get

1507
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: advice from the Lakowskis, even if you don't. He's pointing

1508
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: at me, by the way, the just just because he

1509
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: said that, and because at the same period, like I

1510
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: don't hunt um the same stuff that Dan Infall hunts. Maybe,

1511
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: but I'm still going to take something. I think you

1512
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: can take something from everybody as long as you pass

1513
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: it through a filter. I would say, take, consume it all,

1514
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: take it all, break it apart, like pick it apart.

1515
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: Hear what Marjorie has to say here, what Dan Infall

1516
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: has to say here, what Tony Peterson has to say here,

1517
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: what Spencer Newhart has to say and think critically about her?

1518
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: Why does this work for them? What is the situation

1519
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: that allows those things to lead to success? What does

1520
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: that mean for my situation? What could I take from Tony?

1521
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: What can I take from Spencer? What can I take

1522
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: from Joe Blow in Florida? I mean I think that

1523
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: I think that you can learn a little bit from everything,

1524
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: even if they come from different circumstances. Because if I

1525
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: only ever pay attention to guys did exactly the same

1526
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: way that exactly the same place as me. Your situation.

1527
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: I do think you're missing out as some interesting things.

1528
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: Um So it's just like you gotta have that filter. Yeah,

1529
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: And I think if the if the script was flipped

1530
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: and a decade go, my uh, like I wasn't only

1531
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: watching the Lakowskis and the Drewies and stuff like that,

1532
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: and it had been the super aggressive hunters like the

1533
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: hunting public or something that probably wouldn't have been that

1534
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: beneficial either, like only knowing that kind of guerrilla style hunting.

1535
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I was way way too passive

1536
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: to start off with, and once I realized that it

1537
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: needed to be more aggressive, that was certainly a turning point.

1538
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: And it was a failure to not be more aggressive

1539
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: for those first few years. And I'm right there with

1540
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: you too. I did the same thing. And I'm still like, definitely,

1541
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: I definitely air towards be careful. I don't I have

1542
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: a tendency to want to go careful first and ease

1543
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: my way into things. I've been trying to test more

1544
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: and more of the aggressive things, but I definitely have

1545
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: that same predisposition. But where for for either one of you, Like,

1546
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: what's your litmus test internally for knowing what's how far

1547
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: do you push it? Like, I don't know if you

1548
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: have if there's it's hard to say that without any

1549
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: specific example, But is there any example either one of

1550
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: you guys can speak to to help us understand, like

1551
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: how you judge how aggressive is aggressive enough versus not?

1552
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: Is their story or experience that would speak to that?

1553
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: I could say For me personally, it's almost always a

1554
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: matter my My aggressive strategy is almost always a matter

1555
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: of getting in on some fresh sign and setting up

1556
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: at the edge of where I think it's good. And

1557
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: so mine's like I do like a lot of one

1558
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: two things. So I want to observe, and so I

1559
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: forced myself to get in, but like cautiously get in

1560
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: to watch. And so I'm not you know, I'm not

1561
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: relying on trail cameras anything I want to see with

1562
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: my own eyes, and I'll be hunting. And once in

1563
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,959
Speaker 1: a while you do kill when doing that, but usually

1564
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: that's like the half step, you know, like then you

1565
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: got to see what's going on and then move in

1566
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: and get aggressive. And if I see something I like,

1567
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: then I get really aggressive. But it's always kind of

1568
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: like a measured observation thing. Not always, but a lot

1569
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: of times, and then it's like, Okay, you're right or wrong,

1570
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: or you found it or you didn't. And then if

1571
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: you find it, you go yeah. Another big thing I'm

1572
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: always thinking about is like what do I have to lose?

1573
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: And that changes at different parts of the year, that

1574
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: that changes on different types of hunts. So if I'm

1575
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: like on a short seven day hunt and I'm three

1576
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: days in, what do I have to lose at this point, Well,

1577
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: you I got three more days. Worst case in there,

1578
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: I blow it off for the next three days, but

1579
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't have that much time left. While if I'm

1580
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: hunting a small property in Michigan that I have the

1581
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: next three months I'm supposed to be hunting and I'm

1582
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: depending on this is maybe it's my best spot. Then

1583
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: if I have two and of months left, I get

1584
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: a lot to lose if I get super aggressive right now.

1585
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly trying to think what do I have

1586
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,879
Speaker 1: to lose and how high are the odds of success.

1587
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: It's this constant like scale, and I gotta sit there

1588
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: and have to try to analyze what's on the left

1589
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: side of scale, it's on the right side of scale,

1590
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: and sometimes of year or in some situations you're okay

1591
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: with it being off balance, sometimes not. But I think

1592
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: that does take a little bit of personal experien is

1593
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: to start to understand. Well, yeah, that's a good point.

1594
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's entirely tied to how much land

1595
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: you have to rome. You know, if you if you

1596
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: only have twenty acres and you're in the suburbs somewhere,

1597
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: and aggressive, you know, Tory gilly suit on approach is

1598
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 1: probably a bad idea. You know, if you live somewhere

1599
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: where you got a couple of thousand acres of public

1600
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: land or fifty thousand acres and go nuts man started rolling.

1601
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: And I would guess that, like your aggressive hunting style

1602
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: is really a product of kind of being a traveling

1603
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: d I Y guy. You have five days in this state,

1604
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: so you can't really afford to be passive. Um, it's

1605
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: it's partially that. I mean, that's where I learned it,

1606
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: you know. But I do that at home too, and

1607
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: I do it in Minnesota. I do in Wisconsin to

1608
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: to to some extent, maybe not quite as aggressively, but

1609
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: it's more it's more a matter of having two little

1610
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: girls at home and not you know, like I don't

1611
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: ever have a month, you know to sit on and

1612
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: wait for the right conditions. You know. It's it's almost

1613
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: always like a short duration thing for me. And so

1614
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: it's it's a matter you know, if I played too cautious.

1615
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't have anything going on a lot of times. Yeah,

1616
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: and like when I lived in South Dakota, I would

1617
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: be fairly cautious and stuff. But if it got down

1618
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 1: to the wire and it was you know, the last

1619
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: three or four days of gun season, I had a

1620
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: gun tag that I was really excited about, I would

1621
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: get as aggressive as doing soft deer drives that we

1622
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: talked about on this video series. Um, you know, just

1623
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: like blowing deer out of sanctuaries that a lot of

1624
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: people would consider taboo. But in that situation, I felt

1625
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: like that's what it calls for. Yeah. I blew a

1626
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: lot of deer out of sanctuaries too, But there's nobody

1627
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: posted at the end of him Tony. When you end

1628
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: a hunt, like you when the when the traveling hunts.

1629
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: When you end a hunt and you didn't kill a

1630
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: buck eight times out of ten. If you could put

1631
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: your finger in something, why why didn't you kill a buck?

1632
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: Is there some typical thing you could speak to, like

1633
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: this is you to the issue? Or this is usually why? Uh,

1634
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: most of the time, it's riding a dead program too long.

1635
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: You know, if you only have four or five days

1636
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know, you get locked into the research you

1637
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: did and you show up, and especially if there's like

1638
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, some ground truth to it, where there's some

1639
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: sign there, it's that's the danger of It's like, you know,

1640
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's hard enough to get a plan A

1641
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: and to have a quality plan being can be really hard.

1642
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: So you talk yourself into that. But you know, like

1643
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: I should probably talk about like if we're talking a

1644
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: failure episode and a mistake episode. I think my biggest

1645
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: mistake I've made as a bow hunter so far, and

1646
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: that has led to probably my most consistent failures, is

1647
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: ever deciding I was going to hunt the big Woods

1648
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. I'm and I like, that sounds like a joke,

1649
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: but really I'm sitting here like just about in tears

1650
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: because I get my butt kicked over there all the time,

1651
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: and it's like it's it's like got in me like

1652
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about this North Dakota stuff and I'm listening

1653
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm like, man, that's so easy compared like,

1654
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: but it's different. It's just different. You know, it's like

1655
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: the antithesis of each other. It is in it, but

1656
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: it's just solid timber versus a state that you know,

1657
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: the state tree is the telephone pole. So it's so different.

1658
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a matter of experience. But when

1659
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: I go, I've like, I've made up my mind to

1660
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: hunt these big wood bucks on public land. I'm mostly

1661
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: on public land. Once in a while I hunt in private.

1662
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: But it's like I will I will scout in the spring,

1663
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: I'll scout in the summer. All I'll put in more

1664
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 1: work there than any other state I've got, Minnesota, whatever,

1665
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: and I will think, Okay, this is the year. Like

1666
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: I've I've seen him in the hay fields next to

1667
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: the private you know, I found the rubs, I found

1668
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: the staging areas. Maybe I saw a big one, because

1669
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: I've seen a few big ones up there on public land.

1670
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: But I go hunt and it's like, you know, this

1671
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 1: guy comes by in four wheel or to go refresh

1672
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: his bait site, or you know, the wolves come through

1673
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: or something, and it's just or I just you know,

1674
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: I get busted by those crafty doughs up there. Like

1675
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 1: it's just it's the hardest thing that I do year

1676
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: to year for deer, and I just don't. I like,

1677
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: I almost can't get it right. Once in a while,

1678
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: I do, but I've never killed a big one up there,

1679
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's like the place I go

1680
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: just to fail, Like I I just know and im

1681
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: and I'm talking, you know, I'll spend more time during

1682
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: the there than anywhere, and that my odds of killing

1683
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: anything are so much lower than everywhere else I could be.

1684
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: And I keep driving across that goddamn river and I

1685
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: keep going over there, hut, and I just it's just

1686
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: one of those things, like it's just a stubborn thing,

1687
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: and you know, my mistakes over there. Maybe that's what

1688
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: bothers me the most is I feel like I feel

1689
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: like I'm not I feel like I'm putting in the

1690
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: work and it's not happening. Like it's it's like when

1691
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: you're fifteen, you know, and you've been be hunting for

1692
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: three years and you're like, I'm sitting in the tree

1693
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: stands like I'm doing the same things everybody else is doing.

1694
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: Why is this not happening for You're like the dog

1695
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: chasing the car. Oh my god, I'm like a lot

1696
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: of efforts. I'm like a blind three legged dog chasing

1697
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: a car. Yeah, one of these days you're gonna cross

1698
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: the intersection. Gees, I mean my wife, My wife will Joe.

1699
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: Every year, I'll say, like usually by like about November

1700
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: fifteenth time, like, do not ever let me go back

1701
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. I'll go over there to duck hunt, grouse hunt, whatever.

1702
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: If I tell you I'm going to your hunt there

1703
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: to divorce me, leave me, I don't care, like, make

1704
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: make the stakes real. And every year I go back,

1705
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 1: Are you going back this year? I'm going back and

1706
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: I got a new theory and I'm I'm I've got this.

1707
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: There's this this area of managed force land and it's um,

1708
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: it's gotten pretty big now. I don't know if it's

1709
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 1: the same Timber company or not, but it's it's private

1710
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: land enrolled into the tax program, so it's public, you know,

1711
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: and they log it and so it's various. You know.

1712
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: You and I were talking Mark and I were talking

1713
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: about fire burns up in the boundary waters. And you

1714
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 1: know where we're at in Wisconsin, a lot of a

1715
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: lot of stuff is centered around the clear cuts, and

1716
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: this this timber company keeps cutting the clear cuts, and

1717
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's old growth and new growth and

1718
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: five year old growth, and there's a lot of deer

1719
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: in there, and every once in a while, halilay eyes

1720
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: on just a pig in there, like just I mean,

1721
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: I saw one a couple of years ago. That was

1722
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: when when I first laid eyes on him. I'm like,

1723
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: that's at least one sixty and I'm talking legit, big

1724
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: box and I'm just I think, I'm just I'm gonna

1725
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 1: go way later this year. I'm gonna go right before

1726
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,959
Speaker 1: the gun season. I'm gonna hunt the middle of November.

1727
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not going over there in Halloween. I'm not

1728
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: doing any of that bs. I'm gonna go for that

1729
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: time like where that big mature buck might be cruising

1730
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: right before. You know, the wild card there is you

1731
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: can bait, and so I want to just go catch

1732
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: them cruising. So I'm not running a corn pile, but

1733
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: there's five million corn piles out there from gun hunters,

1734
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: and so it's like a it's like a wild card thing.

1735
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,919
Speaker 1: But what I see is those bucks get real wise

1736
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: to those spots. Anybody can drive an a TV two

1737
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: and they seem to stay in those those you know,

1738
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: five years seven year old clear cuts. And so my plan,

1739
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: my new plan, after getting my butt kicked, is I'm

1740
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: focusing on that stuff at that specific time all day.

1741
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: Sits for like five or six days, and I'm just

1742
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna roll the dice on a big one screwing up done. Interesting,

1743
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm already I already can feel like it's gonna suck,

1744
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm already like I know that might sound

1745
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: like sort of convincing, but I have so little confidence

1746
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. I could totally relate those just like

1747
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: the big woods in northern Michigan. I mean that's exactly

1748
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 1: I've grown up there, pounding my head against the wall,

1749
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: wondering why isn't this working? Wi isn't this working? So yeah,

1750
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: I've I've wondered the same same things and struggled the

1751
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: same things. I haven't put in, you know, not as

1752
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: much time as it sounds like you're putting in. Like

1753
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm not devoting my best days of the rut to it.

1754
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm there the handful of first days a gun season. Um,

1755
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I've started. I did some last year,

1756
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: spent a little bit more time in our big woods stuff,

1757
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 1: and I did kind of like a scouting hunt into

1758
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: this public stuff that I've never gone this far back before.

1759
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I tried to get way back into this swampy stuff

1760
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: that's like smacked down in the middle of two roads,

1761
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: like the farthest point from both of those roads have

1762
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: a big creek that runs through and I got damned

1763
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: by beavers a long time ago, and it's still kind

1764
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: of a big marshy area because of that. And so

1765
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: I headed in there and kind of scouting my way in,

1766
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: and it came across like there's not many deer in

1767
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: the are in general, so when you see sign, like

1768
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: any sign that's like a positive thing, you don't see

1769
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: stuff littered everywhere. So I see a rub, see another rub,

1770
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 1: and I realized that there's like a little bit of

1771
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: an island with some evergreens that I'm on here, and

1772
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: there's another rub run here in a scrape and a rub,

1773
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 1: And I found more concentrate buck sign this little patch

1774
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: than I've ever seen in my twenty five years that

1775
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: I can remember hunting and hiking around and there like

1776
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: like it looked to me like right away, all right,

1777
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: this is literally a bedroom. There's a buck bedroom way

1778
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: deep in here. And it was an island in the

1779
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: swamp not I wouldn't call a swamp, was a little

1780
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 1: piece of high ground what I wouldn't call it swampy

1781
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: enough to be swamp, but just off the edge of

1782
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: the swamp, so imagine like standing water. And then I'm

1783
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: back like forty yards from that it's slowly getting a

1784
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 1: little higher, little higher than like a little knoll almost

1785
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: of evergreens um and then make some just thick junk

1786
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: red in there, and it was just ripped to shreds,

1787
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: and I could see bucks, you can see rubs. Found

1788
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 1: that edge like a soft edge to the swamp edge

1789
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: to like where the hard timber began. And that's a

1790
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: spot a little I want to get in there this

1791
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 1: year and uh try to hunt that actually during the

1792
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: rut and see what's going on around there, back in

1793
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: that gnarly stuff. Because I've started trying to find like

1794
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: these soft edges, find either like what looks like a concentrate.

1795
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I've never found concentrations like this, but I was hoping

1796
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: to find something like that and or just like these

1797
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: internal soft edges and try to hope that someone's gonna

1798
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: cruise along with something that they move in through there.

1799
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: And that's the best idea I can hop at this point.

1800
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to hear how that plays out, because

1801
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I've found a few. I've got one island in a

1802
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: in a swamp over and you know, you know, a

1803
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: real lowland over in Wisconsin that if I go out there,

1804
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, grouse hunting or something late season when it's

1805
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: frozen and you can just walk out to it. It's

1806
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: like that you just walk into it and you're like,

1807
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: holy cow. But I've tried to like figure out how

1808
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: to bow hunt it, and it's just such an advantageous

1809
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: spot for that deer to bed. I think it's just

1810
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: one of those places that you know, a big, big

1811
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: guy lives there for a while, he dies off, wolves

1812
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: get him, whatever, and then another one moves in. I

1813
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: think it's just like that spot and I have yet

1814
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: to figure out how to capitalize on it. But it's

1815
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: like it's just they're like taunting me. So I'm curious

1816
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to hear how that goes for you. My thought process,

1817
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to go in there, like the

1818
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: first day, I can walk in like three hours before

1819
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: daylight or whatever it is, way before daylight get in there.

1820
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to push him out and just

1821
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: be set up and said all day and just hope

1822
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: that maybe there happens to be a buck still there

1823
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: that comes either maybe he doesn't actually live right there,

1824
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: maybe that was just happened stance last year, but maybe

1825
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm in a spot that I haven't been in the

1826
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: past that for some reason the buck really likes spend

1827
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of time and then cruise through or it come.

1828
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: Maybe he is maybe comes back in beds there and

1829
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, fribus bike. But knowing knowing this, it will

1830
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: be a big body, good eating exactly, so we'll see.

1831
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of failure in those big wood

1832
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: situations is tough. I was going to try to do

1833
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: um and looks like it's gonna be pushed next year,

1834
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to do a big woods Northeast

1835
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: hunt tracking them in the snow. That's an idea that

1836
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool. So yeah, I was gonna

1837
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: do that this year pushed a year, but still on

1838
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: my schedule. I'm gonna try that and maybe that will

1839
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: be the way to do it all the time in Michigan.

1840
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll start talking with a rifle, right, Yeah, so

1841
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: that could be a pretty cool way to do it. Um,

1842
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: We've really, I feel like, embarrassed ourselves, laid ourselves out there.

1843
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Is is horrible failure ridden hunters. Maybe no one's gonna

1844
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast any ever. Again, this might have

1845
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: been our greatest our greatest mistake of all was telling

1846
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: these things. Credibility going yeah, credibly vanished. Um. But before

1847
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: we wrap it, is there any other final thing that

1848
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: popped up in your guys minds that you want to

1849
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: um get out there or speak to UM. I think

1850
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: if I had a concluding thought, I would say to

1851
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: all the listeners, just understand that everybody you see out

1852
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 1: there doing this sucks at it most of the time.

1853
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Like understand that that that's just reality. We everybody gets

1854
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: it wrong way more than they get it right. Yeah,

1855
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you said one percent before, and that seemed generous for

1856
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: like how often a person is successful because a lot

1857
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: of overshot it. It seems maybe a little bit generous.

1858
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I think if you're talking to general hobby, general hunting population,

1859
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: for you know, every day they hunt versus killing, it's

1860
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: probably way high. Well maybe I don't know. It tends

1861
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: on what they're trying to kill too, though. Yeah, if

1862
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 1: it's true, if you're trying to kill a mature buck,

1863
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: then yeah, buch a one percent A lot. I don't mean,

1864
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if you looked at how many times,

1865
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: like how many five day hunts do you go on

1866
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Tony that you kill buck? Mature buck on average or

1867
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: a week long hunt whatever. Mature buck maybe one to

1868
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: two a year, some good a really good year maybe

1869
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: three or four, and that's like a you're you're thumping

1870
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: your chest for a while because you're hitting at least

1871
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: like most years. Then for mature box, no, I probably hunt.

1872
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: It's not actually sorry, not days hunted, but trips tags filled.

1873
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh I I feel a lot tags. But I have

1874
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: pretty low standards in a lot of places. Right, Yeah,

1875
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: there's a when you're talking to me, there's a big

1876
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: difference between talking mature bucks and talking just killing stuff.

1877
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I mean I kind of I figured

1878
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: it out one time with my hunting buddies, on our

1879
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: out of state trips a few years ago, and just

1880
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: overall for meal deer, antelope, and primarily white tails. Just

1881
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: my little group with guys, we were we were at

1882
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 1: and that was that was ranging from unbelievable awesome animals

1883
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: to little spiker scraps or does or something. So it

1884
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 1: was just like wide range. You know, if you're if

1885
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 1: you're talking three and a half and four and a

1886
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: half or better, you're talking real small percentage and then

1887
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: you you knock it down from very experienced guys like

1888
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: you guys too, most folks don't haunt that much much much,

1889
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: much lower percentage. I'm sure. So your point's well taken. Good,

1890
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: good Spencer, uh Tony. Earlier you brought up like buck fever,

1891
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you addressed like where you

1892
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: were at now? And I know you've written an article

1893
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: for Meat Eater about this, like how to suppress buck fever?

1894
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: So what did you learn from that process? And like

1895
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: where are you at now with your buck fever status?

1896
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: I am? I am so much better, No, But like

1897
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's once in a while, Like I was

1898
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: telling you when I was in Oklahoma last year, I

1899
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: had unbelievable, non typical come in on public land, came

1900
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 1: running in and chase the dough and I just flat

1901
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: out missed him, didn't just rushed it dumb, you know,

1902
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: And so I'm not immune to it. But if I'm

1903
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: sitting on my tree stand and you know, I see

1904
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: a buck walking in and it's just a normal, decent scenario,

1905
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: even if they come cruising in a lot of times,

1906
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean what I do. Like Mark was talking about visualization,

1907
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 1: I started to think about deer's targets, like when I

1908
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: see him like and not like in a like a

1909
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: demeaning way or anything, like, I look at him and

1910
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: I go, I wouldn't miss you. You throw a Rhyan

1911
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 1: harder at Glendell out there, I'm not missing that sucker,

1912
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, like you could do that if you look

1913
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: at them that way. And actually a lot of times

1914
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: the deer bigger than the targets, and you're like, you

1915
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't miss that with a thousand arrows, but you can

1916
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 1: miss that when it's got a heartbeat. And so I

1917
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: started looking at him and I think, like, you know,

1918
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: you're sitting on that bean field in that buck walks

1919
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't you would never miss a target there.

1920
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: So there's like some self talk to you actively in

1921
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: your head, like Tony, you got this, you never missed

1922
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: do that? Oh my god, I'm yeah, I sure do.

1923
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I'm glad we're having therapy because

1924
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: I've had a lot, like I've had a lot of

1925
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: therapy in my life. So I'm like this is this

1926
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 1: is nice? Yeah? I literally in my head, I'm like good,

1927
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not like screw this up. I'm like, you know

1928
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: you can do this. Come on, buddy, Like, look at

1929
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: that that. If that wasn't target, I can see that.

1930
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm too obvious. Um. Yeah, that's a that's a really

1931
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: good point though. So But to answer Spence's question here,

1932
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: like we're talking years and years and years and lots

1933
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: of hunting to get there, like to get over that,

1934
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm not over it. I'm just so

1935
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: much better than I was. But like I was bad,

1936
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean it's it took me. And

1937
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: you know the other thing about that, you know, solving

1938
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: that issue. You know, I interviewed Randy Olmer for that,

1939
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: and Randy's so freaking accomplished, you know, and his his

1940
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: thing was target practice somehow with something at steak. So

1941
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: shoot a competition, shoot against your buddies, you know, get

1942
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: get yourself in the headspace where like you want to win,

1943
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: you want to concentrate on that shot. And there was

1944
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: a lot more to it, but for me that was

1945
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: part of it. But also just watching more and more dear,

1946
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: doing more photography and scouting as much as I could

1947
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: in the summer, and just sitting back and glass in

1948
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: these bucks because I think that's the thing, like we

1949
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: don't we don't spend any time around them, you know,

1950
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: like that we think about them all time, and we

1951
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: do not like you don't spend like you don't walk

1952
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: out into the parking lot here and you know pedal hundred,

1953
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: they're not there, Like you don't see those list is Montana, Tony,

1954
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a sould on Montana as I

1955
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: used to be. After this trip, I've been running into

1956
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: some some rough people. Man. Um that's a different that's

1957
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: that's spotter for a different podcast. But I think just

1958
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: like seeing them kind of demystifying that and going, man,

1959
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: they're they're just they're out there doing their thing. They're

1960
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: not these crazy six cents, super smart things that we

1961
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,799
Speaker 1: give them credit for. I don't believe that for a second.

1962
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: Like I think they're just surviving machine survivors. Yeah, so

1963
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: watch them, Spencer, any other thoughts or no. I like

1964
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 1: that way of thinking about it. But like some buck

1965
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: fever is fun too, Like those are the funniest moments

1966
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 1: I think of the entire year, that ten seconds or

1967
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: that minute leading up to the shot. Uh. And it

1968
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: can be like kind of healthy too. Sometimes it's like

1969
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: really focuses you in Now it's not healthy or fun

1970
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: if it's debilitating, you know. Um, but I don't feel

1971
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: like I'm there, But I enjoy that rush, you know,

1972
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: right before that happens. I just want the mega rush

1973
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: after the shot. I want to make sure, like the

1974
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 1: shaking and freaking out that part of it, the debilitating

1975
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: part you want to have after the release. People out

1976
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: there who claim that I'm not one of them, I

1977
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: get it at all points. So I knock on wood. Now.

1978
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I have my issues and they're well documented. Like my

1979
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: issue has been rushing shots, Like like the pin gets

1980
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: on target and I'm shooting it and it's almost like

1981
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: a lout of my controls. It's my issues have been

1982
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: the past but knock on wood. The last five or

1983
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 1: so years, like haven't had that, like shaken, freaking out,

1984
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: like leaning up too, I have not had that. I

1985
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: had one well that was even different at one time

1986
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: where my legs went out of control, like it was

1987
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. I got stuffed as that mean, like

1988
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: I got stuck at full draw on a buck. So

1989
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I drew back. The buck was one step in my

1990
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: shooting lane, and then he stopped and was staring at

1991
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: me up in the tree like it was on a

1992
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: spindles tree. And it was like the only thing I

1993
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: could do was like a hanging hunt, like two and

1994
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: more two hours before daylight hung this dam um, so

1995
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: the bucks right there drawback and they staring at me.

1996
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: And then I was doing like the whole self talk

1997
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: thing like all right, you got this, just hold on,

1998
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: hold on, he'll he'll put his head down and moved

1999
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: just wait, just wait, just wait, And then like it

2000
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: lasted too long. I'm like, I don't know if I

2001
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:41,560
Speaker 1: can hold on hold And all of a sudden, like

2002
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: my legs just turned into like spaghetti in the way,

2003
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: just like and I swear to God so much so

2004
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: that I thought to myself he sees your legs, You're

2005
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the box is gonna run away because he sees your

2006
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: legs moving so much. I literally was like, you need

2007
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: to get your legs under control. You need to You're

2008
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: gonna lose this buck because he sees you. And fortunately

2009
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: enough he took one more step and I was able

2010
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 1: to get a good shot. Your legs really disagreed though

2011
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: the legally you don't have this market. No, this isn't easy.

2012
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: It was internal conflict like anything I've ever experienced. Uh So,

2013
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: I think my final thought would just kind of echo

2014
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: a little bit what Tony said, which is just like

2015
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,799
Speaker 1: the whole reason why I want to have this conversation,

2016
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: why I'm glad he got brought up this morning and

2017
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of just our chats was the fact that it's

2018
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: just it's just a reality of it. Like hunting is

2019
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: full of these failures, these mistakes, these shortcomings. Every single

2020
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: one of us has these. Every whether you're a new

2021
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: hunter or the most experienced hunt in the world, you're

2022
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna screw up more often than not. And that's okay.

2023
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: You should look at those opportunities opportunities, not as failures.

2024
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: But hey, okay, I just learned something that doesn't work

2025
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: very well. I just identified something I can improve on.

2026
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: That's an opportunity. So even though it sucks in the

2027
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: moment and it's it's common and easy and I do it.

2028
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm really hard on myself when these things happen, but

2029
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: it's address it, Identify it, and then quickly figure out

2030
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: how can you address it? And I think that's the

2031
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: way to remove as much of the suck as possible

2032
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: is by making progress. Because nothing, at least in my opinion,

2033
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 1: not many other things feel as good as fixing a failure,

2034
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 1: as growing from that and then being to look back

2035
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: and say, I totally screwed this thing up last year,

2036
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: and look how much better I did this year. That,

2037
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: like personal growth, is one of the very most powerful

2038
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 1: things in life. I think North Dakota, it's all right

2039
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: and on that. Yeah. So with that, with that in mind,

2040
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: I've noticed that Spencer starting unbuttoned his shirt. He's gonna

2041
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: go to the bad thing. Okay, So that will do it.

2042
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Hope you enjoyed this one as

2043
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: we regaled you with all sorts of screw ups we

2044
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: made over the years. Um My hope with it as

2045
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 1: I already said was that this maybe can help everyone

2046
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: out there realize that you are not alone when those

2047
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: mistakes and those roadblocks and those obstacles come along, we

2048
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: are all right there with you. You can get through it,

2049
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: you can learn from it, and you can grow. That

2050
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,839
Speaker 1: is our goal. That's we're hoping comes from this podcast

2051
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: for each one of us, even personally, So keep that

2052
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 1: all in mind. Hopefully you're making some progress out there

2053
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: in the woods getting ready for the season, which is

2054
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna be here in just a matter of weeks. I

2055
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I'm excited. And until next time, stay

2056
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt.