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I think watching last night. You know, when 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: I do this for a living, I always had sort 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: of a I'd rather be like the judge. You know. 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: The fans can be the jury, the prosecuting attorney, the DA. 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be the judge. 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Call it as I see it. Try not to play favorites, 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: but everybody knows, you know. I'm from the Northwest. I 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: like to see to do well. My sister loves the 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Seahawks USC football, but I don't root very often, very rarely. 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: In fact, I don't remember the last time I watched 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: the game, and it was nervous and to me that's 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: a fan. 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: You gotta lead. 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: You're getting nervous. I don't remember the last time I 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: felt that way. And then it hit me Saturday night 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: that I found myself the Spurs were the better team. 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Webby against the Knicks is a better final. Let's just 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: get to the dynasty. I've been there, done that with 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Sga and Okase. Totally respect him, but the most interesting 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: part of the teams the GM, Like, I can't respect you, 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: but think you're boring. Nick Saban was great. I thought 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: Bama's dynasty was boring. I was sitting there last night 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: in the second half and I was like, oh, I'm 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: a fan. I want san Antonio. I want I want 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: the dynasty to start. I don't care if the Knicks 54 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: beat them, but I want them. They're gonna get to 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: the finals. Here a lot, and so let me start 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: with that. Do you ever feel that way, because I 57 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: with Wemby, I'm like waiting for let's just get to 58 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: the dynasty, sort of like Lebron, you know, after about 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: year three year, like, could you draft another good player 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: for the guy? Could we could we get him to 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: the finals? I found myself being a fan for the 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: last hour of that game last night. 63 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have found one of the most interesting things 64 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: about Shakos Alexander in his rise over the last couple 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: of years is he is considerably less popular around the 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: kind of casual NBA fan base that spans the globe. 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: He's considerably less popular than anybody who's ever been as 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: accomplished as he is. Like we were talking about back 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: to back MVP, a finals MVP, A guy who leads 70 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: a league in scoring. This is this is a player 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: that everything on paper screams. He should be immensely popular. 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: And I think there are underrated part of his games, 73 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: parts of his game that are very entertaining for people 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: who really love the game of basketball. Like he is 75 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: an incredibly gifted shot maker. That first half last night, 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: when he's just hitting crazy contested shot after crazy contested shot, Yeah. 77 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: I was getting open looks. Those were tough makes. 78 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: I thought that was really in a lot of ways 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: kind of that. Even though it was his best game 80 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: of the series, I thought in many ways it was 81 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: the most damning game of the series in terms of 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: how he stacks up against the other best players in 83 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: the league. Because even though he was knocking down incredibly 84 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: tough shots, there was no stretch in that game where 85 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: I felt like he was consistently generating quality looks for 86 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: his team. This is the stat of the series. Colin. 87 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 3: In the first few games, Mitch Johnson's double teaming shay 88 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: a lot and like far from the basket, like twenty 89 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: five thirty feet from the basket. So in the first 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: three games, the Thunder average twenty five unguarded catch and 91 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: shoot threes per game. After Game three, he makes an 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: adjustment and he goes, We're not going to double team 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: you were just gonna play kind of a straight up, 94 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: load up defense. We're going to funnel you towards the 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: sideline and we're gonna kind of send extra defenders over 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: and let's see how many tough shots you can make. 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: They went from twenty five unguarded catch and shoot three 98 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: is a game to eleven over the last four games, 99 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: a huge drop off in his ability to generate quality looks. 100 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: Once they just said let's see how many of these 101 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: tough shots you can make. They completely shut the rim 102 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: off from him. In the regular season, seven point two 103 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: makes per game in the paint on sixty three percent. 104 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: In this series, three point four, less than half on 105 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: just forty four percent. So they took away the rim. 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: They were able to funnel him towards the sideline and 107 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: force him into tough shots. And even though he had 108 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: a great statistical game yesterday, the Thunder could not generate 109 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: good looks. And really, that was the story of the 110 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: series for me was Shay was really unable to solve 111 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: the Wemby problem. And that's like the one thing as 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: a guy who we revere as one of the best 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: offensive players in the league, that's the problem he has 114 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: to solve. 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that speaks to Wemby's greatness. I 116 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: don't think you could ever solve Jordan or Shack in 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: his prime. They tried Hack a Shack. It wasn't that successful, right. 118 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: You couldn't solve Bird or Magic. And that's the difference. 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: There are ways to solve or mitigate some of SGA's effectiveness. 120 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: There really isn't with Wemby, and I think that's what 121 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: that's the difference. I mean, I mean, Steph Curry'll have 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: bad games, but I mean you just there's no he 123 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: just if he's hot, it's over. It doesn't really matter 124 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: who you put on him. And I felt the same 125 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: way as there are there are ways and that I 126 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: don't think. We never thought SJ was Jordan or Bird 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: or magic you're Duncan, but we thought he was a 128 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: really great player. But I do think Wemby's in that class. 129 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I another big takeaway I had in this 130 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: game the poise of san Antonio. I mean, yes, Daron 131 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: Fox has been around the block, and yes he I 132 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: thought he had his best game of the series. Every 133 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: time as Darren Fox hit a shot, it felt huge, 134 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: like it was fifteen points. I felt like I felt 135 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: all of them. I've told you this before. I've covered 136 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: guys in the NBA, Like I would go to an 137 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins game when he was at T Wolve and 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: he would score twenty eight and I didn't remember two 139 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: baskets like he just points Like Darren Fox, every basket 140 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: felt huge, a cornet's block play of the series. Like 141 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: there are guys, so they've got some they've got some 142 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: guys who have been around, but to be that poised 143 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Game seven on the road, forty three percent from three 144 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: every time tip ins Dylan Harper Champenny, I mean, if 145 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, basically san Antonio picked him up. Was 146 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: he released or something. Saint John's kid Brooklyn let him go. 147 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: Didn't they. 148 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Philly that let him go. Another another 149 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: Darren Morriy. Another Darren Morriy catastrophe on Totnate. No, yeah, 150 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: it was huge. He's got a brother who's really good 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: too that plays in Washington, and I'm ready to see 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: if somebody snatches him up too. But he's just he's big, 153 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: he's scrappy, he can really shoot the ball. He shot 154 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: the ball really well against the Knicks. This sear he'll 155 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: be an interesting kind of character in that series. But 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: I totally agree with to call him because like all 157 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: the things that I said involving Shay, I think are true. 158 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: Like even had Okay se won this series, I kind 159 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: of was looking at Shay a little differently than I 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: did than I did before the series, because just frankly, 161 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: we're at three postseasons now where there's like a giant 162 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: cratering and his effectiveness relative to the regular season to 163 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: the postseason. But I just didn't think that the Spurs 164 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: would be poisoned enough to go on the road and 165 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: winside fit game. And it's like Keldon Johnson two massive 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: threes in the fourth quarter, like enormous threes in the 167 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: fourth quarter, right, and then you have Dylan Harper hits 168 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: that crazy step back three over Sga has that big 169 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: offensive rebound put back, Cornette has the block at the rim. 170 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: You have Champagni got red hot in the second half, 171 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: and I thought, honestly, one of the big stories of 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: the game, Like Wemby didn't have the most impressive box 173 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: score game. I think he had twenty two and seven 174 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: or something like that, But the story of the second 175 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: half was they got into their pick and roll game, 176 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 3: and every time Wemby rolls, the entire Thunder team just 177 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: coalesces around him. And that's how Champagni got hot. That's 178 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: how Keldon Johnson got going. Those dudes are all wide 179 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: open on the week side because of the way that 180 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: Wenby drags everybody towards the rim. And this really is 181 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: kind of the fundamental difference between the The big picture 182 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: impact of a player offensively on a team is it's 183 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: less about what you can do on the box score. 184 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: Can you generate lots of good shots for your team? 185 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: And Wemby right now, the reason he's the best player 186 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: in the world is, yes, he can do all these 187 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: little things. Like Game one, you guard him with wings, 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: he turns into Shaquille O'Neal, goes for forty to twenty 189 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: right Like Game four, the guards have it going, so 190 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: he turns into Anthony Davis and he's just dunking everything 191 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: on rolls and he's dunking everything in transition. Then you 192 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: go to game six and seven, he becomes like a 193 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: point guard. He's like attacking Isaiah Hartenstein from the floor 194 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: and takes like thirteen jump shots in that game. It 195 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: hits a bunch of them, and he can kind of 196 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: shape shift into all these different roles. But fundamentally, the 197 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: reason why his offensive floor is so much higher than 198 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: it appears in the box score as you just run 199 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: a ball screen with him and he rolls hard, and 200 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: you're just getting a guard who can throw a skip 201 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 3: pass and you're gonna get open looks, and that is 202 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: that is fundamentally what makes them so hard to guard 203 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: is you just have these three headed Do you have 204 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 3: this three headed attack at the guard spot who runs 205 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: these pick and rolls. Wenby rolls hard, and Champagne can 206 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: hit the threes on the skip, Devin Vessel can hit 207 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 3: the threes off the skip. They just play really well 208 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: off of the advantage that Wenby creates rolling towards the rim. 209 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: I was super impressed with those young guys they colin. 210 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: They dominated that game, even the common times, even a 211 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: couple of times that okay see took a lead day 212 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: immediately like they had took a little point ly late 213 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: in the second seven ozer run to end the half. 214 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: They took a little lead in the early third quarter 215 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: immediately blew the game open from there, like they they 216 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: rolled up in there and played like a team that 217 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: thought they were better and controlled it from start to finish. 218 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: I just it's causing me to reevaluate my kind of 219 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: opinion as it pertains to young basketball players succeeding in 220 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: the playoffs. It's just so amazing. 221 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Like two months ago, Rachel Nichols and I went through 222 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It was like six weeks ago, I picked 223 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: san Antonio at Boston. But what was funny is I 224 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: felt way better about Boston than San Antonio was, Like 225 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Boston is almost the garant san Antonio. I'm waving. I 226 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: don't know if they can win a game seven in 227 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, but I mean so, I think it was 228 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, Ryan Risillo and I started 229 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: talking about this, and it was after game one and 230 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: I said, in the second half San Antonio One, I said, Okay, 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: as I'm watching and I'm losing my mind, I'm like, 232 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Sam Presty has got to be thinking, Okay, Holmgren is ineffective. 233 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: Hartenstein I'm losing. Although Hartenstein is is just you know, 234 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the Knicks. We're devastated when he left. He'll 235 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: probably leave, okase that floater is weird and it works, 236 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: and I think he's one of those guys that players 237 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: know how good he is. Fans may not pay attention, 238 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: but if you ask players no the league about Hartenstein, 239 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, guys that that's a baller. But I 240 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: suggested this to Ryan. I said, I'd give up Homegren. 241 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you can watch them play against Wemby. It's 242 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: just not going to work. And Wemby he's got I mean, 243 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: home Groun's closer to his ceiling than Wemby is. I'm like, 244 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: it's a mismatch. 245 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: Shouldn't be it is? 246 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'll move that piece. Jay Dubb I've 247 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: never been a big fan. I like him, I don't 248 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: love him injuries, and again, I just think the ceiling's lower. 249 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, it just my personal taste. And I 250 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: said Aj Mitchell four draft picks, and we all laughed. 251 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: He goes, Dude, it's one game, subtle down. But you 252 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: watch that series and you watch SGA's you know there's 253 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: some ceiling here. You watch Wemby, you know Sam Presty's 254 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: watching this go twenty years old, twenty one years old, 255 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. He's watching Holmegrun's limitations, he's losing Hartenstein. 256 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: It is not crazy to me that Sam Presty. I 257 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: don't think it's reactionary, Jason. I think sometimes you just 258 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: go we can do a rinse and repeat. Yannis may 259 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: be the league's answer for three years. I mean, I 260 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy, even though the series went seven. 261 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: Man. 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 3: This is super fascinating Colin, because there's there's so many 263 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: different angles to this offseason for OKC that are worth 264 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 3: considering in the sense that I think, on the one hand, 265 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: it's important to admit and every GM should be self aware. 266 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: I think it's important to admit that Shae JDub Chet 267 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: is not going to be as good over the coming 268 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: years as Webbin, Yama, Harper Castle. I think it may 269 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: not be close, and it may not be close because 270 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: Wenby's already better than Shane. He's going to continue to 271 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: get better. I like JDub, but I think both Castle 272 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: and Harper have the ability to surpass him one day. 273 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 3: And Sheet I think is there are some real limitations 274 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: that came out of that series. But it gets convoluted 275 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: when you start to look at the way that the 276 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: salaries work, because Shay's deal has one more year that's 277 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: in the mid forties, but then his it's low forties. Actually, 278 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: the following year, his salary skyrockets into the sixties and 279 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 3: he starts making a ton of money. Starting next year, 280 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 3: both JDub and Chett will make eighty million between the 281 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: two of them, So they're in the phase now where 282 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: all these dudes are getting paid. So it's a little 283 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 3: bit more complicated, and just simply Yannis's salary makes it 284 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: pretty difficult to actually imagine the machinations of them ducking 285 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: underneath the second apron and then putting the salaries together 286 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: to go after Giannis. I also frankly think that I 287 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: don't understand why Giannis would want to do that. Why 288 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: would he want to go to OKC to be in 289 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: a situation where he's not going to get a ton 290 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: of credit if they win, Like everyone remembers Kevin Durant 291 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: signing with the Warriors, and it wasn't necessarily a thing 292 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: that benefited Steph or KD. Like Steph was underrated after that, 293 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: and remember Dame was talking trash about him in the 294 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: regular season, like guys were like, oh, Steph doesn't have 295 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: help now, and that he had to win that twenty 296 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: twenty two title for everyone to finally acknowledge how good 297 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: he was as a player. And KD still to this day, 298 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: no one gives him credit for those two titles he 299 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: won in Golden State. I don't think Giannis wants that. 300 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: I also just think it's it's really difficult financially to 301 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: pull off what I think makes the most sense for 302 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Sam Presty in this draft. I think he's got to 303 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: target somebody in the draft. And the main reason why 304 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: is those dudes make all that money. You need discount talent. 305 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: Now. 306 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: You need players that are really good that don't make 307 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: a lot of money. And yes, Chet has a Wemby problem, 308 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: but he's really good against the other twenty eight teams 309 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: in the league. 310 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: He really is, because it is so is this a 311 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Nandi Mara? You take your two draft picks, you move 312 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: up to nine or eight, and you get the seven 313 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: to three Spaniard center. Who's ash? I mean to me 314 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that that's a cheap and that guy can just I mean, 315 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: let's face it, most college kids one year out aren't 316 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: gonna get the rotation for the Spurs. R okay, see, 317 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean that that level of basketball last night, Jason 318 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: was insane. It was in It was it was Celtics Lakers. 319 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: It was like one am I watching there's like eight 320 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: potential Hall of Fame level guy guys well who could 321 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: come in from college and help you seven to three 322 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: rim protector? I'm much better, I mean, like Zach Edie 323 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: with better feet, better passer. Like to me, that makes 324 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, is that the direction you're going in? 325 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: I think whether it's Mara or it's Jaxe Landenborg, or 326 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: if I was Sam, I'd be calling up on Cam 327 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: Boozer and I'd be like, hey, do you want three 328 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: or four firsts for us to jump up and take 329 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: Cam and you can have our draft pick down at 330 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: eleven or twelve or whatever it is. You can still 331 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: have a lottery player in this draft and fill your 332 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: draft trove. Let us hop up and grab a guy 333 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: like Cam. I think the reason why I would not 334 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: necessarily go for Mara is I really think Hartenstein causes 335 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: some problems for Wemby. He's a very unique matchup in 336 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: that he's very physically strong and laterally quick enough to 337 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: kind of beat Wenby to spots. One of the biggest 338 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: stories of this series is that Hartenstein was one of 339 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: Okayse's most valuable players and just how physically he could 340 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: match up. So I think it's more likely that they 341 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: re up would like get Hartenstein to opt out and 342 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: extend him at a team friendly number somewhere around like 343 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: a Tea twenty million. I don't think they're The thing 344 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: with Chet is like again, he's so good against everyone else, 345 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: Like they said this after the game last night, and 346 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 3: and it's the truth. They're like we we we've been 347 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: the number one seed in the West ever since Chet 348 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: was on our team. And that's a fact because he's 349 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: so good at protecting the rim. He's such a ceiling 350 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: razor on both ends of the floor and like a 351 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: foundational piece for them against everyone else. And here's the thing. 352 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: Chet's got to figure out a way to be better 353 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: against the Spurs. He I thought he got punked both 354 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 3: mentally and physically in this series. I thought he got 355 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: exposed for being too slow. He was frank, like, his 356 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: three point shots too slow, his decision making off the 357 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: catches too slow. Like, He's got to revamp his game 358 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: to be able to play in this matchup. And that 359 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: is a fact. 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So I 401 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: always had this theory with the Knicks that they were 402 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: all just there was just a bad smell around the 403 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: organization for years. James Dolan fighting the press. You know, 404 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: the Charles Oakley stuff is kind of the tip of 405 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: the iceberg. There's just been a lot of uncomfortable relationships 406 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and the media. I mean I would read New York 407 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: media and think this is this is toxic. And then 408 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: my theory was James Dolan, who has great musical connections, 409 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: went on about a four year journey to Vegas and 410 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the Sphere and he could return to New York, but 411 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: he was at least physically at times and emotionally a 412 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: bit disconnected from the organization. His emotion was really into 413 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: the Sphere, which has been an incredible hit, the greatest 414 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: music venue in the world, and he deserves credit. And 415 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: it was it was it was about Leon Rose gets 416 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: hired and his first big hire as Tibbs. And you know, Dolan, 417 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: I'm sure had an impact on this, but it does 418 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: feel like and Dolan, now this Sphere has gone, it's successful, 419 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: it's done and completed. But it does feel like there 420 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: was a bit of a pivot or a tipping point 421 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: where Dolan was a bit removed worldwide West. Leon Rose 422 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: come in and kind of have a lot of leverage 423 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of say is that me sort of 424 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: creating a story that doesn't exist, because it feels like 425 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: the timelines do kind of connect the Sphere and the 426 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: building of Tibbs and Brunson was the first. I think 427 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: Brunson was twenty twenty two. Does this connect or is 428 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: it just am I hype farming on this and hoping 429 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: it's true? 430 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 4: No, No, I think it connects. Colin and great to 431 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 4: see you listen. I remember having a conversation with James Dolan. 432 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: It was at least a two hour interview, and I 433 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: was at ESPN dot com at the time, and the 434 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: Sphere it was in its infancy, and he kept wanting 435 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 4: to talk about it, and I wanted to talk about 436 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 4: the Nicks, and I gave his time, and some of the. 437 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: Sphere of stuff was in the piece. 438 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: In retrospect, I'm thinking I underplayed it, because you're right. 439 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: It's everybody I know who has been to that venue 440 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: has loved it, and it's a great thing. I do 441 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: think his time away, he's certainly back now and more 442 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: engaged was back then. The Sphere was a very big 443 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 4: part of his life in every way. People who know 444 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: him well said what you just said now. George Steinberner 445 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 4: was suspended in the early nineties, and while he was away, 446 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 4: Geen Michael, the executive and Buck Showalter the manager rebuilt 447 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: the Yankees, and they were a mess at the point 448 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: that Steinberner was suspended. By the time George got back, 449 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 4: things have been cleaned up to a George Steinberner had 450 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: a very positive impact on the Yankee dynasty of the nineties. 451 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: Is willingness to suspend the urgency he creates every day 452 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 4: did have some positives attached to it, without questioning, Derek 453 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: Jeter would be the first person to tell you that. 454 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: So I think Dolan was away, and I also think 455 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: he looked at Bob Myers and Golden State former agent. 456 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: He looked at Rob Polinka with the Lakers former agent, 457 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 4: and he said, let me do something different. He tried 458 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: Phil Jackson as the savior of the franchise right now. 459 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: Larry Brown failed with Isaiah Thomas, Mike D'Antoni. There have 460 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 4: been all kinds of coaching front office saviors brought in 461 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: under Dolan who all failed. And he tried something different 462 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 4: with an agent in Leon Rose. 463 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: And by the way, Leon Rose did not. 464 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 4: He had his misses early on Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, 465 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: Kim Rehpp and Guy Yeah. Tims didn't want Tims didn't 466 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 4: want those players, and so he got better. Leon Rose 467 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 4: got better and better and better, just like his team, 468 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 4: just like his players. 469 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: Every year. 470 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 4: You have to give Dolan credit for taking the gamble 471 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: to hire Rose. My suspicion, actually it's more than a suspicion, 472 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 4: is that Dolan didn't really want to hire TIBs. I 473 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 4: think Dolan wanted to hire Jason Kidd. James Dolan wan 474 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 4: it comes to coaches, when it comes to executives, He's 475 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 4: a star chaser at times, and Tibbs is a very 476 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: good coach, but not a charismatic figure, not a big personality. 477 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 4: Maybe not a star in the traditional concept of it. 478 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: But anyway, he listened to Leon Rose, who used to 479 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 4: represent Tibbs. It was a great hire. Tibbs did exactly 480 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: for the Knicks what Bugs Show Walter did for the Yankees, 481 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 4: cleaning up the mess, restoring competence, professionalism, accountability. But then 482 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 4: when it came time to get over the hump, Steinberger 483 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: decided to go in a different direction with his fourth 484 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 4: choice really for the job, in Joe Tory, a mister 485 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 4: nice guy had been fired a bunch of times, age 486 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: fifty five. Mike Brown, mister nice guy, age fifty five, 487 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 4: fired like Joe Tory by three different organizations. 488 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: It really is striking the similarities. And we'll see. 489 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: If Mike Brown can have a little bit of that 490 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 4: Joe Tory's success coming up here in the coming days, 491 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 4: and then maybe beyond. 492 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: Well Tory it had some failures and success. Same with 493 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: Mike Brown. So they come in known as guys, you know, 494 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: the Don Zimmer Joe Tory bench. I mean, Tory was 495 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: known as a guy that people liked. I always said 496 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: Joe Tory was like that really formidable step dad that 497 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: you never wanted to disappoint. And he was your little 498 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: league coach. And he may not have been your biological dad, 499 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: but he was just as good as your biological dad, 500 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: and he had there was a certain masculinity to Tory 501 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: that you just never wanted to disappoint Joe, And I 502 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: do think I think Mike. 503 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: Brown, by the way, Colin Tino Martinez said those exact 504 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: words you just said. I never wanted to disappoint him 505 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: because it was like playing for my father. That's crazy, Yeah, exactly. 506 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: Mike and Mike Brown, who's worked with Up, who's worked 507 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: with kerr Rick Carlisle, is very much seen as a listener, 508 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: a collaborator, can enforce rules. I mean he'll go up 509 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: to Cat and say, you know, or somebody and say, hey, 510 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: your hat's on backwards, come on, let's get it together. 511 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: But by and large, somebody that players really respect and 512 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: like when they were struggling against Atlanta. Let's just go 513 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: back a couple sits. I remember watching that thinking CJ. 514 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: McCollum is going to knock the Knicks out of the playoffs? 515 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: What the hell am I watching? They were a bad 516 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: team in March. Who got in Brown's ear on the 517 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Carl Anthony Towns tweak. 518 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: I think Towns made the suggestion initially, but and I 519 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: don't take anything away from Brown's decision if it wasn't 520 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 4: his original idea, because that's why they hired him, and 521 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: that's why. Now, Tom Thibodeau did a very good job, 522 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 4: and he didn't deserve to be fired. He took the 523 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 4: next to the conference finals last year for the first 524 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: time in a quarter century. You don't get fired off 525 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 4: of I beat the Celtics, and you look at the 526 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: way they knocked out the Celtics. That route that Game 527 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: six was was unbelievable. He didn't deserve to be fired. 528 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 4: But Mike Brown was a great hire for the reasons 529 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: that Dolan and Leon Rose stated. So both things can 530 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: be true at the same time. TIB's got an unfair deal, 531 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: but Mike Brown actually was better for this team. Now, 532 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 4: if you're a TIBs supporter. You might say, well, if 533 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 4: he had Atlanta, Philly and Cleveland, he would have gone 534 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: to the finals too, right, So anyway, I'm sure he's 535 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 4: sitting at home and it hurts right to see the 536 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: team you built and put together now being led by 537 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: somebody else, probably maybe to a championship. But so let's 538 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: Kat makes the initial suggestion, but Mike Brown acts on it. 539 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 4: And here's where you got to give Brown a lot 540 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: of credit. He knows he's been around the league's been 541 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 4: fired four times by three different franchises. If this goes sideways, 542 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: I take one of my two franchise cornerstones with brunts 543 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: and Kat being the other, and I turn him into 544 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 4: a point guard at seven feet tall. 545 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: And if this doesn't work, I'm done. 546 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 4: I mean he is one and done and getting fired 547 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 4: and that is it. And they're blowing up that roster. 548 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: If they lose to Atlanta, they're down two to one. 549 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 4: It looked like Quinn Snyder was out coaching him, and 550 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: I gave him all the credit in the world for 551 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: not fearing the consequences of a potential disaster. They're losing 552 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 4: that first round series to Atlanta and deciding, you know what, 553 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 4: Cat right, this would be better for this team right now, 554 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 4: and lo and behold. Ever since then, basically the Knicks 555 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: have not lost. And it unlocked everything about the offense 556 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 4: that you hadn't seen before, and Jalen brunts and getting 557 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 4: him off the ball a little bit. Man, the Knicks 558 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 4: have been an entirely different team ever since Brown made 559 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: that move. 560 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: You know. 561 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: There, I was talking one time. I said something about 562 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Villanova guys on the air, and Jay Wright reached out 563 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: to me and texted me and he said, you know, 564 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: he goes You've always been so respectful of Villanova, And 565 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I covered Jay when he was 566 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: at un l V under Rollie Masamino, the late Rolli Masamino. 567 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: And I remember meeting Jay. I was a sportscaster in Vegas, 568 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: and you knew immediately he was going to be a star. 569 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he was like twenty six. He looked like 570 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: George Clooney. I'm like, oh, this guy can recruit. So 571 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: he ends up at Villanova. And I always felt that 572 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: of all the basketball programs in the country, Villanova's was 573 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: sort of the anti Calipari. It's like, we're gonna go 574 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: get We're gonna recruit from the DMV. We're gonna get 575 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: cops kids. We're gonna get tough kids that play defense, 576 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: more three star offen than four or five. But they're 577 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: gonna stay here, They're gonna go to class, they're gonna 578 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: be leaders. And it may sound cliche, but I don't 579 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: think it is. Josh Hart, Bridges, Bruntson, We're all sensational 580 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: in Game one in their own way, right, the rebounding 581 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: with heart, Bridges who finally missed a free throw, which 582 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: almost never happens, Brunson's closing despite an off shooting eye. 583 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: He was great in the fourth. There is something. I 584 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: believe this to be true because the Knicks camaraderie is 585 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: almost collegiate. I mean, remember, the Spurs are drafted and 586 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 1: develop and they're mostly the same age. The Knicks are. 587 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: Trade for this guy, trade for that guy, acquire that guy, 588 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: free age that guy. It could very easily be a 589 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: disjointed locker room. Yet it's not that yet. They're I 590 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: mean they seem to. I mean, there are big personalities 591 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: and big stars in New York, elevated by the media, 592 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: and it does feel like the villanova thing isn't just 593 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: a term or you know, a cliche. The Knicks feels 594 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: strangely close for a professional team that came from different organizations, franchises, coasts, backgrounds. 595 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me. 596 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what it feels like to wal Frasier, 597 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 4: who I talked to last night and I've talked with 598 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 4: him about this in the past. Dave de Busher's family 599 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 4: I talked to, and they're all saying the same thing. 600 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: This reminds us of the the the sort of there. 601 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 4: Was a camelot in New York in the early seventies 602 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: with the Red Holtzman Nicks. The way they shared the ball, 603 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: people of backgrounds and races coming together and really a 604 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: love affair between the city and that team, that one 605 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 4: in seventy and seventy three at the expense of Will 606 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: Chamberlain and the Lakers. 607 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: And those are the only two championships the Knicks have 608 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 2: ever won, to believe it or not. 609 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 4: And so the way they share the ball on Mike 610 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 4: Brown's team, the way they play defense, and they clearly 611 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 4: play with a joy, They play for one another, and Colin, 612 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: I think this is not rare in New York. But 613 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: what I really like about covering this team as a 614 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 4: columnist is they are likable human beings. Mike Brown likable, 615 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns and the rest of them, 616 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: the Villanova guys. You know, that's a program. Jay Wright 617 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 4: wanted the best to ever do it. They don't just 618 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: have a team, they have a program. They build people, 619 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: and they build players. There really complete people and players. 620 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: And having the three of them together. I understand it 621 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 4: was five first round picks for McHale Bridges, but I 622 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 4: was all for getting Bridges and I actually had tweet 623 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: they traded him. But I listen, if you told me 624 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: five first round picks, I'd be like, maybe I'm not 625 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 4: so all for them anymore. 626 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: I would have maybe said three or four. 627 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 4: But it's worked out and Leon Rose has done a 628 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 4: great job of putting character high character people in that 629 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: locker room. Carl Anthony Town's a very quick story. He 630 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 4: has a relationship with a woman whose son was killed 631 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 4: in Afghanistan at US Marine. Yes, typically because the son 632 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 4: went to Katz High School Saint Jose Mtouchein. 633 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: He never met the soldier. 634 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 4: He was a different age, ten years younger, and he 635 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 4: did a very simple gesture in a basketball game. He 636 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: scored twenty five points and stopped at twenty five to 637 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 4: honor the soldier who was twenty five when he was killed. 638 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: And he's still friends with that woman today, had her 639 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: at a recent game, and it just common decency. I 640 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: see that in these Knicks. They are very genuine people. 641 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 4: Makes them easy to root for. And maybe you wouldn't 642 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: have said that ordinarily about a James Dolan team, but 643 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 4: this is a very very likable, embraceable group and that's 644 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 4: part of the reason why the entire region has really 645 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: rallied behind this team. Unlike I've covered what five Yankee 646 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 4: these championship teams, I've covered two Giants championship teams and 647 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 4: some other really good teams with the Knicks in the nineties. 648 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 4: But this team is as well liked, I think by 649 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 4: the city as any I've ever seen. 650 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's And for the record, let me defend the 651 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Knicks on the five draft picks. That was pre nil, 652 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: when the drafts were increasingly sporadic and awful. Now this 653 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: year's draft is a bona fide nil draft where many 654 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: players stayed in longer so giving up. You know, Rudy 655 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: Gobert got nine picks Rudy Gobert today would get three, 656 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 1: Michale would get two. But at that time, I mean 657 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: it was a one and done. I mean were you 658 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: were drafting kids who weren't ready to play. So there 659 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: were some bad drafts for about a ten year stretch. 660 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: So it sounds outrageous to say five picks that's what 661 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: you give up now for maybe a Yannis. But at 662 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: that time, you know, Rudy Gobert a couple of years 663 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: ago got nine. He got played off the floor by Wemby. 664 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: So I'll defend I will defend the Knicks. Brunson's fascinating 665 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: because if I said to you name two stars in 666 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: the NBA that took team friendly deals, you'd say Brunson, 667 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: and you couldn't name another. It's really you hear about 668 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: it in football for quarterbacks, and you do not hear it. 669 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: That's right, you do not hear it in the NBA. 670 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: Let's go back to that signing, because I think that 671 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: is so rare in pro basketball. Let's go back to 672 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: that deal when it was signed. I remember reading about it, 673 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: you were living it. How is it perceived by teammates 674 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: and people in the organization that an NBA player emerging 675 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: as a star. Hey, I'm going to take much less 676 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: than I could. 677 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think he'll make that up down down the road, 678 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 4: and oh he will. That's part of it. But I 679 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 4: also think it showed he got it. Like, Hey, if 680 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 4: I'm the guy who ends a fifty three year or 681 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 4: whatever would have been fifty four to fifty five year. 682 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: Drought in New York City, a great basketball. 683 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 4: Town that's been asleep for a long time, If I'm 684 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 4: the one who does that, that is worth so much 685 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 4: more than another five, ten, fifteen, twenty million dollars. And 686 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 4: he got it then, you know, partly because maybe he 687 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 4: came out of a program that taught those values at Villanova. 688 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 4: That and when you make a certain amount of money, 689 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 4: how much do you need for one? And that's priceless 690 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 4: and you ask will Well, you know, unfortunately Willis is 691 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: no longer with us, But so I used to talk 692 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 4: to him about it, and I talked to well Fraser 693 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 4: about it last night, and actually Walt said that Brunson 694 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: is a combination of the two of them. He has 695 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 4: the tenacity of Willis reed and he's as cool as 696 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 4: I am basically as well. That's a pretty good combination. 697 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 4: To have and I used to have a lot of 698 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 4: conversations with Willis Reid and we were all I was 699 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 4: eight years old when they won their last title in 700 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three. I do remember that team, and we've 701 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 4: all been waiting for a team to be like that. 702 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 4: In the nineties, Knicks were really good. They weren't good 703 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 4: enough to beat Jordan or Elijah on but they were 704 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 4: really good, rugged, physical, Big ten football teams. 705 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: This team is different. 706 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 4: This team is like the seventies Knicks, and Brunson is 707 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 4: the biggest reason why. He leads with the generosity of spirit, 708 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 4: brings people in and just talked earlier today. I asked 709 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 4: him a question about the fan support on the road, 710 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 4: which has been just off the charts for the Knicks. 711 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 4: He said, his wife and Jalen and family, they never 712 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 4: take that for granted. They've been feeling the love ever 713 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 4: since he arrived in New York and that was it. Listen, 714 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 4: It's one of the greatest signings in the history of 715 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 4: New York sports when you consider he was so undervalued 716 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 4: and Mavericks could have paid to keep them right, it 717 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 4: would have been a bargain and a half if they 718 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: kept him and I will say this, if the Knicks 719 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 4: win it all, there should be a statue at some 720 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 4: point outside the Garden of Brunson, and also a second 721 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 4: statue of whoever the official was in the organization who 722 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 4: authorized the tampering that was necessary to get Jalen Brunton 723 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 4: to sign. And because you know the Knicks lost, they 724 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 4: what a twenty twenty five second round pick for tampering. 725 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: That is the greatest case of all time. 726 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 4: Right, you said, all right, you gotta sort of I 727 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 4: don't want to say cheap, but Ben the rules, maybe 728 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 4: break them a little, get Jalen Brunton, but we're gonna 729 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 4: take a second round pick from you in twenty twenty five. 730 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 2: I think you would make that deal. 731 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: The