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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chandler Roam, along with Tyler Stafford and a special

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Speaker 1: guest joining us today, the ASTROS Director of Amateur Scouting

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Speaker 1: Camped and Dino Cam.

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Speaker 2: You just had.

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Speaker 1: Probably the longest week of your life getting through the draft,

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Speaker 1: getting through now two days of the draft in twenty rounds.

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Speaker 3: Have you gotten any sleep and how you feeling this morning? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I slept in the day after day two of the draft.

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Speaker 4: I slept in till like eleven I thought I was

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Speaker 4: in college again. I just I was shot so needed

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Speaker 4: the rest. But we're back to equilibrium here after a

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Speaker 4: couple of days of getting rest. You know, it's a sprint,

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Speaker 4: those those not just the two days of the draft,

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Speaker 4: but the ten days leading up to it. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: excited about the class we put together and happy to

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Speaker 4: be back to square one in terms of sleep.

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Speaker 2: You said, eleven am sounds amazing. That's good for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm normally a burned both types of the ends of

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Speaker 4: a candle type guy where I'll go late at night.

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Speaker 4: And you know I found when I got the director

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Speaker 4: job the past two years when you're the week's leading

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Speaker 4: up into the draft.

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Speaker 3: Like, your brain doesn't let your body sleep.

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Speaker 4: It's just thinking through different permutations, you know, players, money,

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Speaker 4: et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So it's good that your brain quiets down and get

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Speaker 3: some sleep. It's always a good thing.

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Speaker 1: You said, it was like you were in college again.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you brag about yourself for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of Astros fans that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days have seen your name, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of stories have seen your name. They saw your

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Speaker 1: name before the draft, and maybe this is their chance

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Speaker 1: to put a face to a name, to if you're

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Speaker 1: listening on audio, to put a voice to a name.

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Speaker 1: You went to Boston College, you graduated in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Kind of give fans and give people kind of a

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Speaker 1: perspective of your career trajectory and how you ended up

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Speaker 1: here in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 4: After I graduated from BC, I got an internship right

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Speaker 4: out of school with the Minnesota Twins. Started actually that

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Speaker 4: was when the draft was in early June. I started

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Speaker 4: right in, you know, in the third week of May,

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Speaker 4: right in the in the draft rush and the preparation

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Speaker 4: leading up into their twenty eighteen draft. Also got to

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Speaker 4: be involved, you know, helping you know, administrative paperwork, you know,

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Speaker 4: putting together different pieces of baseball material for the decision

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Speaker 4: makers in the twenty eighteen trade deadline over there, which

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Speaker 4: was the Ryan Presley deal from Minnesota to Houston, so

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Speaker 4: I actually got to see the other end of it,

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Speaker 4: which was an interesting perspective for me. I ended up

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Speaker 4: getting a full time job with the Astros in January

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen as a scouting analyst or my main job

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Speaker 4: was on the draft, but also involved with international and

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Speaker 4: pro and it was writing. You know, it was primarily

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Speaker 4: evaluating players through the lens of all information sources that

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Speaker 4: everything from different data sources like track man, athleticism data.

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Speaker 4: Obviously spending a lot of time like crushing film and

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Speaker 4: like breaking down mechanics of swings and deliveries, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: After that, my role kind of evolved over.

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Speaker 4: The years, you know, got more involved with the modeling

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Speaker 4: side under James click in twenty twenty two, less like

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Speaker 4: actually building the draft model, but more just being involved

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Speaker 4: under the hood. As like our process evolved, going from

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Speaker 3: But then continuing to.

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Speaker 4: Again write up a ton of players throwing a value

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Speaker 4: of lens. And then when Dana came here, started seeing

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Speaker 4: more players live in person, continue to help out him,

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Speaker 4: help out Chris. And then when Chris left for his

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Speaker 4: role with the Mets, obviously there was there was an

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Speaker 4: opening for the scouting directorship. Interviewed for that and here

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Speaker 4: I am. So that's been my background. I've been through

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Speaker 4: a lot in Houston, but it's been awesome. It's been

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like I've I've been raised here.

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Speaker 4: I've learned from different regimes, all very very smart, all

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Speaker 4: very very different. But I've been super blessed to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel I mean, I also watch a

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Speaker 2: has a preference of like I like analyzing hitters or pictures,

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Speaker 2: and there's just something in you that like speaks to

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Speaker 2: enjoy scouting the most.

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Speaker 4: Su sure. Well, my primary focus when I was initially

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Speaker 4: hired was on the pitching side, right, So I love

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Speaker 4: you know, watching three or four starts at the picture

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Speaker 3: That really excites me. I think we have a track

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Speaker 4: And developing the multiple pictures we took a couple this

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Speaker 3: Always excited to evaluate those.

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Speaker 4: Types of pictures because you know, you can never have

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Speaker 4: At the same time, love breaking down hitters too, and

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Speaker 4: that's an important part of our process. You know, you

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Speaker 1: You talked about it, Cam You've You've been through a

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Speaker 1: lot here and you're only twenty eight. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: there are many younger scouting directors in baseball that you've

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Speaker 1: been through three general managers here, You've been through a

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Speaker 1: going to talk about this draft coming up. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dana did arrive in Houston with the pedigree as a

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Speaker 1: very very well. Derek Ladner was one of his first

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Speaker 1: hires here. He's a guy that he oversees the entire

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Speaker 1: maybe scouting department. I should have his official title in

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Speaker 1: front of me. I do not how from year one

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Speaker 1: How did things evolve and what has it been like

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Speaker 1: having those two maybe veteran scouts, veteran evaluators, veteran draft

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Speaker 4: It's a blessing, honestly, the way Dana has set it

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Speaker 4: up here. I am very very lucky as a young,

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Speaker 4: he's been through. You know, I talked to Derek basically

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Speaker 4: every day. Derek, you know, I call my guardian angel.

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Speaker 4: Like he he lets me, I'm being serious. He he

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Speaker 4: you know, lead our staff.

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Speaker 3: We lead it together. But but he goes with with, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, my crazy ideas and and we have a shared

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Speaker 4: he's he's seen the game of baseball through a completely

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Speaker 4: different lens than I have. But we align on court

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Speaker 3: And that was before I had even met him.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of development from year one to year two,

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Speaker 4: it's just continuing to you know, to establish the types

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Speaker 4: to day I take the lead on.

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Speaker 3: But but Derek's a phone call away.

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Speaker 4: like support for our staff. Derek does a great job.

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Speaker 4: And then Dana comes in later in the process. Dana,

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Speaker 4: people this. He he likes to see our first round

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Speaker 3: They're familiar with.

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Speaker 4: But he is more hands off as we go down

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Speaker 3: Got a big job now on his own right.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have time to go run down the one

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Speaker 4: hundred and twentieth best amateur baseball player anymore. But you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: it's a collaborative effort. Charles Cook also involved in that.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Charles Cook is is somebody not talked

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Speaker 4: Initially hired me with the Astros, but super smart guy,

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Speaker 4: So between the three of those guys, Dan and Derek, Charles,

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Speaker 4: I'm extremely blessed with the leadership setup that's been provided.

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Speaker 3: To us in Houston.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about like refining the processes and stuff.

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Speaker 2: just organizationally, this is how we did it last year

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Speaker 2: there's everything that we can you know, like, how do

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Speaker 4: No doubt you don't want to boil the ocean, right,

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Speaker 4: I think you want like it's still baseball at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, Right, it's the core, Like you're

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Speaker 4: on the offensive side, offensive production, what are our core pillars?

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Speaker 3: How do we value those?

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Speaker 4: So it's less that we're like blowing up the past.

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Speaker 4: I think we've done historically a good job. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's more just refining, Okay, when you're evaluating this type

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Speaker 3: These skills or we should be valuing this differently.

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Speaker 4: It's also understanding that compared to ten fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 4: the story of modern baseball is that the player development

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Speaker 3: Able to improve in prospects has changed.

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Speaker 4: So understanding how to align with our player development strengths

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Speaker 1: We'll get in the specific players here in a bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it is not you know, the NBA

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So you know we have track record with Exavier

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Speaker 4: At this time last year, before I had really studied

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Speaker 4: And he was impressive. Right, Like, there's no there's no

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a beautiful left handed swing.

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Speaker 4: You do that enough, that's like a that's a pretty

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Speaker 3: You know, we think the actions are are clean.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's been on the summer circuit. He's played

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Speaker 3: You know. It's an impressive individual. You know.

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Speaker 1: the infield that hits left handed. You guys also drafted

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Speaker 1: another large guy that played on the left side of

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Speaker 1: the enfield for a long time here in Carlos, Korea.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Korea hits right handed. Which one of those comps,

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Speaker 1: if either of them, is probably more apt for for Xavier.

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Speaker 3: That's a dangerous game.

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Speaker 2: That's what I wis would one of those two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, try to get yeah that this is.

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Speaker 4: This is a start, and look, we think he has

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Speaker 4: a star upside. There's also his distribution of outcomes is

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Speaker 4: wider compared to a college guy.

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Speaker 3: There's no getting around that.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, I think the bat, like we

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Speaker 4: think like the bat has a chance to contribute to positively.

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Speaker 4: You think defensively, bigger guy, left side of the infield, Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's lofty expectations to rejected on an

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Speaker 4: eighteen year old, but I think the fact that folks

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Speaker 4: are throwing out those comps speaks to the type of

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Speaker 4: talent that X possesses.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's be clear that X throughout one of those comps.

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Speaker 1: He was asked who he kind of models his game after. First,

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Speaker 1: he said Bryce Harper. He said he's modeled his game

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Speaker 1: after Bryce Harper for a very lofty and then you know,

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Speaker 1: he did mention defensively as a bigger guy that plays

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Speaker 1: the left side of the infield, he's always kind of

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Speaker 1: gravitated toward Cordy Seeger and that's obviously, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty you know, it's pretty plane to see there that

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Speaker 1: they're the same kind of you know, Build six four

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Speaker 1: two ten is what Xavier's listed at Corey Seeger six

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Speaker 1: three two fifteen. So the parallels are there, But again,

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Speaker 1: expecting any eighteen year old kid to be Corey Seeger

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Speaker 1: or Carl's Korea is a little bit foolish. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the guys you took after Xavier Nines

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Speaker 1: Tyler, would you like to guess for a third round?

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Speaker 1: Pick Ethan Frye went to college.

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Speaker 2: Cam Chandler has an obsession some would say borderline unhealthy

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Speaker 2: on his college that he went to as a as

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Speaker 2: an aggie, I could never imagine making that so much

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Speaker 2: of my identity. But yes, because you've told me eighteen

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Speaker 2: times already, I do know that he went to LSU,

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Speaker 2: and so I'm assuming you're a little familiar with him

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Speaker 2: as well, Chandler. But yeah, tell us tell us a

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Speaker 2: little bit about Ethan fry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan Uh.

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Speaker 4: Ethan was somebody who was honestly a late riser for us.

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Speaker 4: But I think as a staff we did a really

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Speaker 4: good job with Landon Townsley our area scout in the

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Speaker 4: Deep South who lives right there in Baton Rouge, has

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Speaker 4: three years of history with Ethan, even dating back to

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Speaker 4: high school. Our Midwest cross checker Mike Myers did an

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Speaker 4: outstanding job getting in there raising the flag, and then

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Speaker 4: you take a look under the hood, like there is

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Speaker 4: a lot to like here. This was an ascending SEC

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Speaker 4: bat that was hitting for average, an for power in

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Speaker 4: the SEC and was was starting to put it all together.

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Speaker 4: You know, he DHD for the Tigers, but when he

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Speaker 4: came to Minute Maine. He is a sneaky, very very

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Speaker 4: good athlete, and we think, you know, we're gonna give

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Speaker 4: him every chance in the outfield to be a really

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Speaker 4: good outfit. We're actually gonna give him reps in center

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Speaker 4: field because he can he can fly, he can move

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Speaker 4: out there. Like we don't think this is just like

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Speaker 4: a corner masher. We think this guy has a semblance

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Speaker 4: of an approach. We think he recognized a spin. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the bat speed and the the ability to do damage

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Speaker 4: is definitely there. Like it's it's uh, it's an exciting

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Speaker 4: offensive package. But I wouldn't short change the athlete that

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Speaker 4: Ethan is in tandem with another guy plus makeup, really

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Speaker 4: really strong. We think high aptitude, and he's gonna work

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Speaker 4: his tail off. And then on top of that, you

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Speaker 4: know he had he's done it at the highest level,

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Speaker 4: national champion, you know, he was mainstay in the heart

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Speaker 4: of that order. So we were really excited and we

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Speaker 4: we think there's a chance that folks look back and

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Speaker 4: and and that pickages really well.

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Speaker 3: Like we were pumped aget him at ninety five.

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Speaker 4: We didn't think that he was going to be there,

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Speaker 4: and you know, we were fired up and we had

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Speaker 4: that opportunity.

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Speaker 1: It's it's kind of straightforward to draft guys from l

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Speaker 1: s U or really any you know, SDC Premiere, even

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M. It's easy to draft guys from

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Speaker 1: from these big programs.

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Speaker 3: And you see them.

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Speaker 1: They're on TV constantly, they're they're facing other guys that

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Speaker 1: are going to go in the first second round of

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Speaker 1: the draft, you know, on a pretty regular basis. But

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Speaker 1: taking a guy from wherever Taylor University is, that's probably

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Speaker 1: a little more of a of a difficult challenge. Twofold here. First,

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Speaker 1: you know, the guy we're talking about as a guy

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Speaker 1: named Gable pent Coost. He's your sixth round pick a

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Speaker 1: right handed pitcher out of Taylor University. You can talk

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Speaker 1: about him, but just I guess in general, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a team that has a guy pitching every

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Speaker 1: fifth day from Wayne State, has a guy playing shortstop

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Speaker 1: from the University of Maine, has a guy that may

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Speaker 1: come off the IL soon from Millersville University. I only

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Speaker 1: cover you, guys, so I see the small school success constantly.

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Speaker 1: And there are other clubs that find diamonds in the

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Speaker 1: rough or that go to you know, the non Power

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Speaker 1: five schools and find you know, players, But you guys

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Speaker 1: seem to do a very very good job. Your hit

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Speaker 1: rate is higher than most. Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: And what is it about you guys that you're able

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Speaker 1: to unearth some of these guys from places that quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Existence Sure, I think it ties back. It's twofold. The

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Speaker 3: first thing is, I think it ties.

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Speaker 4: Back to what we were talking about earlier, that we identify,

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Speaker 4: we evaluate really well.

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Speaker 3: Our scouts are very.

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Speaker 4: Good at evaluating, and our analysts are very good at

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Speaker 4: valuing profiles.

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Speaker 3: And I think when we put our heads together, we.

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Speaker 4: Understand that the profiles of like what needs to be

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Speaker 4: polished up in PD and we lean on our player

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Speaker 4: development strength, which we think is a competitive advantage in

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Speaker 4: this organization relative to other clubs. Like we want to

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Speaker 4: identify players who we can help shape up the relative deficiencies.

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Speaker 3: In their game.

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Speaker 4: Smaller school guys tend to not have as much resources

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Speaker 4: to help them polish up their games compared to like,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: SEC schools.

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Speaker 4: So when you get an opportunity to have a guy

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Speaker 4: who's athletic, who has outlier skills, and we're hunting outliers, right.

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Speaker 4: I think if you watch guys on television, even your

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Speaker 4: most you know, guys that fans might get frustrated with, Like,

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Speaker 4: the reason they're playing on television is because they have

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Speaker 4: some sort of outlier skill that just carry them to

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Speaker 4: the big leagues even if the rest of their you know,

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Speaker 4: skills aren't at the.

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Speaker 3: Same level as that outlier skills.

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Speaker 4: So we're looking for outlier skills, and then we're saying, okay,

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Speaker 4: based on around take that outlier skill, what needs to

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Speaker 4: be polished up in terms of the secondary parts of

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Speaker 4: the profile, and can we help the player, you know,

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Speaker 4: improve We think we can. We think we're good at

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Speaker 4: identifying that especially with pitchers and then from there it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it comes down to the human. The more I do this,

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Speaker 4: it comes down to who is the person that you're

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Speaker 4: acquiring and are they going to buy into what you

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Speaker 4: know we're trying to do. There's an element of luck

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Speaker 4: involved in the draft as well. We all know that,

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Speaker 4: and but you put it all together, and I think

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Speaker 4: we have had a successful track record of targeting these

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Speaker 4: smaller school guys who are athletic, have outlier skills and

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Speaker 4: have plus makeup and buy into what we're trying to

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Speaker 4: do and the proofs in the pudding.

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Speaker 3: And I think with a guy like Gable, we're really

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Speaker 3: excited about all the above.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we think he's got interesting fastball traits, his

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Speaker 4: secondaries at this lider in Kurbbully commands really really well,

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Speaker 4: and so we think there's a chance to pull on

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Speaker 4: a couple of developmental levers to give him an opportunity

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Speaker 4: if it all clicks and he stays healthy to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, a starting pitcher one day, right like at

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Speaker 4: the major league level.

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Speaker 3: We think that sort of upsides there.

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Speaker 4: So we were fired up to get to get Gable

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Speaker 4: where we did and shout out to Drew Pearson, our

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Speaker 4: areas got in Indiana did a great job with this one,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, we were fired up to get gable.

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Speaker 2: I hope my boss is now listening. I'm in higher

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Speaker 2: education sales and I have Indiana as my territory. And

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Speaker 2: I learned along with the rest of you, that Taylor

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Speaker 2: University exists despite that being a school that I should

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Speaker 2: probably be aware of. So that gives you an indication

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Speaker 2: of the size there. But you mentioned you mentioned those

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Speaker 2: outlier skills, right, and again a lot of those are

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Speaker 2: are quantifiable, and this we can just kind of talk

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Speaker 2: about this generally. You mentioned, you know, the ashes have

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Speaker 2: had a lot of success with pictures specifically of kind

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Speaker 2: of identifying outlier skills. I mean even when in your

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Speaker 2: first month on the job of the Ryan Presley Trade, right,

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Speaker 2: like the story of that was, Oh, the ashos have

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Speaker 2: seen this spin rate and maybe it's not being utilized

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Speaker 2: at its most effective level when you're I don't know

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Speaker 2: what the computer looks like. I'm imagining just an Excel

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Speaker 2: spreadsheet that you're sorting by by spin rate. I know

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Speaker 2: that's not what it is, but in my head that's

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Speaker 2: what's happening. Do you have a like a favorite outlier,

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Speaker 2: like you know, a skill or a thing that a

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Speaker 2: player can do, maybe specifically with pitching. But you know,

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Speaker 2: if player and player B have the exact same stats,

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Speaker 2: the same underlying numbers, but you know one is an

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Speaker 2: outlier and VLO but one is an outlier and spin rate.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there one that you think, you know

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Speaker 2: becomes more valuable or one Maybe I guess that the

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Speaker 2: ashos do a better job of developing when they do

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Speaker 2: have those types of outlier skills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 4: And what I want to say is we don't want

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Speaker 4: to You don't want to eliminate.

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Speaker 3: Certain profiles of players.

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Speaker 4: Just because like the way their profile is oriented is

659
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Speaker 4: different than maybe you know, a success of a past

660
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Speaker 4: or you know, player who we've developed successfully. You want

661
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Speaker 4: to be careful to not because good players are good players.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I think it comes down to, like,

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Speaker 3: and this is like.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get two in the weeds here,

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Speaker 4: But it's how how different how separative an outlier is

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Speaker 4: this from the rest of the day distribution to players, right?

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Speaker 4: And I think it comes down to it's like, how

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Speaker 4: like is this a you know, we use the twenty

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Speaker 4: to eighty scale in scouting, is this is sixty or

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Speaker 4: is this a seventy? And what I like understanding you know,

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Speaker 4: the distribution of the draft population and tools and skills,

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Speaker 4: and like the difference between going from a fifty to

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Speaker 4: a sixty and a sixty to a seventy.

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Speaker 3: When you see that the guy who's.

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Speaker 4: Like, no, no, no, this skill is truly stand out among

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Speaker 4: peers like you going to run to that. So, like

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Speaker 4: what I would say is is I don't necessarily have

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Speaker 4: a favorite, as much as I have like a preference

679
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Speaker 4: towards trying to hunt the most special skill we can find,

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Speaker 4: and then as long as the under the other auxiliaries

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Speaker 4: like components of profile we think we can improve, We're

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Speaker 4: going to target those types of players.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I personally like about covering and looking

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Speaker 1: at the draft is trying to discern you guys's plan.

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Speaker 1: Money wise, you guys had you know, your bonus pool

686
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Speaker 1: this year was about seven point two million dollars. The

687
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Speaker 1: slot value for Xavier Nine's at twenty one was about

688
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Speaker 1: four point two million. I'm not gonna get in the

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Speaker 1: weeds on how it all works, but essentially that's seven

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Speaker 1: point two million, you guys can use to sign the

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Speaker 1: picks within the first ten rounds, and then after the

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Speaker 1: ten rounds, anything over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: to the guys in rounds eleven through twenty, That difference

694
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Speaker 1: from one hundred and fifty thousand goes towards your bonus pool.

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Speaker 1: So looking at it in general, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: put words in your mouth, and I'm not expecting you

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Speaker 1: to leak every signing bonus right now, but in general,

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Speaker 1: high school players are a little more expensive than college players.

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Speaker 1: High school players have more leverage, they have more they

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Speaker 1: have commitments to colleges, things of that nature. A couple things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, how much is NIL at the college level,

702
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Speaker 1: given college draftees more leverage than maybe they had in

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Speaker 1: the past.

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Speaker 4: So on the NIL front, it's definitely a changing monetary landscape.

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Speaker 4: It's something we have to be aware of, and our

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Speaker 4: area scouts do a great job retrieving information relevant to that.

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Speaker 4: On the front end that helps inform the signability of

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Speaker 4: the player. It definitely impacts the distribution of the class.

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Speaker 4: I do think though, that there is a limit, Like

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Speaker 4: if you are motivated enough to sign a college player.

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Speaker 4: I still do think financially it makes sense for the

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Speaker 4: college player to turn professional after three, you know, three

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Speaker 4: years of college baseball or when they're twenty one years old,

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Speaker 4: if they're talented. I still think the financial system is

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Speaker 4: going to favor, you know, having those players turn professional.

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Speaker 3: I do think. At the same time, towards.

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Speaker 4: The later part of the draft, the NIL is playing

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Speaker 4: more of a factor obviously than three.

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Speaker 3: Or four years ago.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, you guys did go take a

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Speaker 1: high school catcher in the seventh round, which usually when

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Speaker 1: you're taking a guy in the first ten rounds of

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Speaker 1: the draft, you guys have a pretty good idea of

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Speaker 1: their signability, and suffice to say, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: guys would select a player if you didn't think their

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Speaker 1: signability was very, very high. So Jace Mitchell, the guy

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Speaker 1: who took in the seventh round, Delaware had not had

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Speaker 1: a high school player or I believe, a college player

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Speaker 1: taken in the first ten rounds of the drafts. It's

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Jace Mitchell is front a left handed hitting

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Speaker 1: catcher from Delaware. What did you guys like about him

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Speaker 1: that you know allowed you guys to take him at

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Speaker 1: that spot and where is maybe his longer term future

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Speaker 1: as a professional.

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Speaker 4: Right And I think this speaks to our confidence in

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Speaker 4: Jays like you mentioned geographically Delaware and high school catchers,

737
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Speaker 4: like you studied the base rates of the draft, like

738
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Speaker 4: that's not of like a frequently mentioned combination right there,

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Speaker 4: right like to be candidate on the surface, that sort

740
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Speaker 4: of profile is scary. At the same time, we did

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Speaker 4: a ton of homework with Jays and we are super

742
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Speaker 4: convicted in the entire package that we're getting. So first off,

743
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Speaker 4: he's been around big leaguers. He trains at a hitting

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Speaker 4: facility in Philly where he's been around Jackson Merrill and

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Speaker 4: Yonni Diaz. He's actually hit with our director of hitting development,

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Speaker 4: Dan Hennigan, so he has a relationship with him, understands,

747
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Speaker 4: you know, our core offensive developmental pillars, and I think

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Speaker 4: that that helps him immensely.

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Speaker 3: But separative understanding the language.

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Speaker 4: I think what's important about Jase is he's super talented

751
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Speaker 4: and has continued to get better from when we first

752
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Speaker 4: saw him a year ago to now. He has you know,

753
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Speaker 4: we think he's got the chance to hit for average

754
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Speaker 4: and power. It's beautiful left handed swing, but at the

755
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Speaker 4: same time. We think he's a real catcher, because normally

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Speaker 4: I would be I would be hesitant about high school catcher.

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Speaker 4: But we think he has the overall components, both tangibly

758
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Speaker 4: and intangibly, which is important, as you guys know for

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Speaker 4: our catchers here in Houston. We think he checks all

760
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Speaker 4: those boxes. He's a base he's a student of the game,

761
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Speaker 4: he's you know, his leadership and his work ethic and

762
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Speaker 4: his aptitude for an eighteen year old kid from Delaware

763
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Speaker 4: is unbelievably impressive.

764
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Speaker 3: So you put all those that together and you get

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Speaker 3: a lot more comfortable with the profile, and we're excited

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Speaker 3: about jas.

767
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Speaker 4: So so yeah, in terms of the signability aspect of it,

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Speaker 4: you have a general understanding of signability of players, especially

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Speaker 4: in the top ten rounds, Like you have a pretty

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Speaker 4: good field for what it.

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Speaker 3: Will take to sign a player.

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Speaker 2: I mean this sincerely. I'm not I'm not Joe. He's

773
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Speaker 2: from Delaware, he's a high schooler. If you are projecting

774
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Speaker 2: him as a catcher, when does he get Like I guess,

775
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Speaker 2: how valuable is it for him to get Spanish lessons

776
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Speaker 2: and be able to I mean sincerely, Like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a huge part of like why our team. Aldonado has

778
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Speaker 2: always talked about as a guy that just like can

779
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Speaker 2: handle the pitchings. That is that some thing that you

780
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Speaker 2: look at is like, okay, this is a thing that

781
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Speaker 2: we need to you know, uh, give a catcher a

782
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Speaker 2: skill in that way.

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny. We made a comment to him.

784
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Speaker 4: He drove with his dad from Delaware to Chicago to

785
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Speaker 4: our pre draft work on Chicago, and Jamie Laman, our

786
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Speaker 4: West Coast cross checker, made an offhand comment to him about, hey,

787
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Speaker 4: you're gonna need to learn Spanish, you know that, and

788
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Speaker 4: like we were going through like our intangible checklist when

789
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Speaker 4: we were talking to him. He shows up at the

790
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Speaker 4: combine three weeks later and he's got a streak undo

791
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Speaker 4: a lingo going, and he's already like, oh, I hadn't

792
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Speaker 4: considered that as like I needed I needed to.

793
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Speaker 3: Add that to my toolbox to be a major league catcher.

794
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Speaker 4: Like no, that that all kidding aside, especially in Houston

795
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Speaker 4: with our track record of a draft or excuse me,

796
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Speaker 4: of the signing and developing Latin American starting pitchers.

797
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Spanish is integral because as a catcher.

798
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Speaker 4: You're you're the heartbeat of the staff and you have

799
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Speaker 4: to be able to relate and communicate with the pitching stuff.

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Speaker 4: So yes, I do think that would be a part

801
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Speaker 4: of Jase's development. And look, it's a high school it's

802
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: going to take a little longer than a college guy.

803
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: A high school catcher is going to take, you know,

804
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Speaker 4: project even further. At the same time, like we talked about,

805
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Speaker 4: we're trying to accumulate the most total value and we

806
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Speaker 4: think we have a chance to beat people.

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Speaker 2: With Jason Chandler. You you have a favorite question for

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Speaker 2: scouts that I love? Will you? Will you ask it?

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Speaker 2: Because I I love these stories. They're always fun. I do.

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Speaker 1: And we'll end it on this one, Cam, And it's

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Speaker 1: probably a hard one. Who is the best player you've

812
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Speaker 1: ever scouted? I like to ask every scout that comes on.

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Speaker 1: It can be amateur, it can be a guy maybe

814
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Speaker 1: you were in a pro game, Like best player you

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Speaker 1: ever scouted?

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Speaker 4: Yep, I'd say Bobby Wit. Bobby Wit at the Area

817
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Speaker 4: Coast was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: I'll go with that one.

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Speaker 2: He's he's turned out, all right, talk about an eighty

820
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Speaker 2: outlier on some some stuff there that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Cam, this was excellent. I we really appreciate you giving

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Speaker 1: us more time than you actually said. We told you

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Speaker 1: we keep you for twenty five minutes. We're on to

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Speaker 1: forty two, so we're gonna get you out of here.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on talking about your journey, and

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Speaker 1: some of the new Astros are going to be filtering

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Speaker 1: into the minor leagues here pretty soon.

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Speaker 6: Thank you again.

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Speaker 1: As always, you can follow me on x at Chandler

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Speaker 1: finish their three game series in Seattle and Samaras a

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Speaker 1: pivotal three games for the positioning of the American legal list.

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