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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks

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Speaker 2: off right now. Thanks so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking a lot today about whatever we can

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Speaker 2: and one area where it's really going to be opaque,

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Speaker 2: maybe non existent, is foreign policy. Let's talk to our

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Speaker 2: friend Bridge Colby about this for a moment. He is

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Speaker 2: a principal of the Marathon initiative and he's also a

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Speaker 3: Mister Bridge Colby, great to have you back, Great to

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Speaker 3: be with you. All right, so let's start.

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Speaker 2: With the I think we can just take as a

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Speaker 2: But if we're going to assume it is an extension

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Speaker 2: on her behalf, Really, what do we know about what

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Speaker 2: a what a Kamala Harris tim Wall's foreign policy would

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, we don't know much, and don't take

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Speaker 4: this from you and me. I think the Wall Street

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Speaker 4: you know, cars on the table not a big fan

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Speaker 4: of President Biden said the least. But President Biden, you know,

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Speaker 4: what we can see her top person, for instance, is

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Speaker 4: I'm not one of these people is out there saying

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Speaker 3: So then it's a harder target, do you know what

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Speaker 2: A larger theme in the campaign overall. But let's drill

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Speaker 4: President Trump, I think, is putting something out there saying

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Speaker 4: showing none of that. So she's not having a political mandate,

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Speaker 4: you know, in a sense, like the analogy I used,

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on right, well, as you can see

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a challenge for them.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking of Bridge Colby, principle of the marathon initiative. Bridge,

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Speaker 4: Well, just parenthetically on that, I think David Sachs put

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Speaker 3: Everything you talked about that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Let's assume that I'm right, Trump wins, the cavalry arrives

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Speaker 3: Keep the faith bridge keep the faith.

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Speaker 4: I'm a believer, but take nothing for granted, right, But

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Speaker 4: So I mean, you don't want to put all your

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Speaker 2: So it is basically the force of personality is the promise,

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Speaker 3: I mean that that actually is the strategy at some level.

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Speaker 4: like he's done a lot of bad things. That's not

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Speaker 2: Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge, give me a tour the Pentagon

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Speaker 5: I thought i'd finished with some fun little drama inside

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We are joined

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Speaker 3: But just please set the table for everybody, tell them

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Speaker 6: All right, well, setting the table for everybody. Basically, Tim

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Speaker 5: Oh, we appreciate you coming on with us, and we

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Speaker 5: How would you classify what Walls did when he didn't

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Speaker 5: deploy with his troops to Iraq?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, the military's got seven seven or the

436
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Speaker 6: army does seven leadership. You know traits, and you know

437
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Speaker 6: a lot of them is selfless service. And you know,

438
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Speaker 6: on the best day, this ish selfish service, basically just

439
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Speaker 6: looking out for himself, not giving a damn about five

440
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Speaker 6: hundred soldiers and the thousand sets of parents that are

441
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Speaker 6: that are expecting this senior NCO that's been in for

442
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Speaker 6: twenty some years that he's going to be, you know,

443
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Speaker 6: taking care of them, trying to get him home alive

444
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Speaker 6: and on the other the worst case. But that absolute

445
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Speaker 6: colored us. Maybe he had no confidence in his leadership ability.

446
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Speaker 6: I really don't know. He's never stood up and told

447
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Speaker 6: anybody exactly why the hell he went. He got out.

448
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Speaker 6: I mean, he did tell some senior leadership that I

449
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Speaker 6: need to get out to run for Congress, which is

450
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Speaker 6: bs because a lot of people do both, and they

451
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Speaker 6: and they serve their country in both capacities and then

452
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Speaker 6: they come back and they then they're in Congress, and

453
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Speaker 6: then they might get deployed again. But you know, I've

454
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Speaker 6: looked up different things, and no one of them I

455
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Speaker 6: called him right out at first was that he's a trader,

456
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Speaker 6: you know, because basically, you know in the nation called

457
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Speaker 6: he hung up the phone and said to hell with you.

458
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Speaker 6: And then another one I've seen out there is that

459
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Speaker 6: he's a deserter, because that's somebody that they abandoned their

460
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Speaker 6: posts and they leave the military and they have no intent,

461
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Speaker 6: they never look back, they have no intention of ever

462
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Speaker 6: getting back in it again. And that's literally what he did.

463
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Speaker 6: I mean, he just his post was I'm supposed to

464
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Speaker 6: be in this guard tower here and I and I

465
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Speaker 6: say that all that, and I walk off into the

466
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Speaker 6: sunset so I can have better things to do.

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Speaker 3: We're speaking.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking of a retired Minnesota National Guard command Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Major Thomas Barns who answered the call and and took

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Speaker 2: his men to war after Tim Walls decided he had

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Speaker 2: other better things to do with his time. And that's

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Speaker 2: what we're discussing right now. And Sergeant Major Barons, can

473
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Speaker 2: you just tell me this. The allegations or criticisms that

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Speaker 2: are out there about Walls embellishing his record, things like

475
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Speaker 2: saying he served as part of the you know, the

476
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Speaker 2: war in Afghanistan when he was in Italy and now

477
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Speaker 2: saying he's support of do you find those criticisms also valid?

478
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Speaker 3: Does it bother you?

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Speaker 2: Does it bother other members of the service when somebody

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Speaker 2: is inflating or embellishing their record.

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely gut wrenching hearing it. I mean it's been

482
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Speaker 6: there's been so many veterans that have came out and

483
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Speaker 6: can't stand this rhetoric that he's been spewing for years.

484
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Speaker 6: You know, it literally cuts to the core of you know, honor,

485
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Speaker 6: duty and respect that many military people have. Very very

486
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Speaker 6: very few people ever try to lie what they did

487
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Speaker 6: and make it look better than what they did. You know,

488
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Speaker 6: between you know, those Afghanistan comments and and saying that

489
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Speaker 6: he's a retired command surgeon major when he when he

490
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Speaker 6: wasn't you know, he's not he's he didn't finish the course,

491
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Speaker 6: he didn't finish his requirements, and he still I mean,

492
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Speaker 6: he even had a challenge coin made from Congress, from

493
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Speaker 6: the House of Representatives with the Command Surgeon major rank

494
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Speaker 6: on it, and all those people that served in Congress

495
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Speaker 6: they had to listen to him blow hard about how

496
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Speaker 6: he was the highest ranking guy in there, and it

497
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Speaker 6: comes out now that he wasn't. And it's you know,

498
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Speaker 6: that's just absolutely sad. When somebody lies that much, what

499
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Speaker 6: the hell are they going to do at the national level.

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Speaker 6: That's absolutely it's just disgusting that, you know, he should

501
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Speaker 6: have just went and crawled under a rock, but instead

502
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Speaker 6: he's out there, you know, pounding his chest and saying

503
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Speaker 6: saying he is something he's not. He's a military impersonator, is.

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Speaker 3: What he is.

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Speaker 6: If you if you look up the definition of that,

506
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Speaker 6: you know there's two versions, one civilian and one's military.

507
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Speaker 6: And you know the military guy, he'll he'll have rank

508
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Speaker 6: on that he doesn't doesn't earn. He'll put medals on

509
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Speaker 6: that he didn't earn. That's where the stolen valor thing

510
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Speaker 6: comes into play, because he literally did all that for

511
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Speaker 6: personal gain, for monetary value of being a you know,

512
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Speaker 6: in Congress or a governor. You know all that all is.

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Speaker 6: You know, I would guess charges are probably going to

514
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Speaker 6: be brought against him at some point.

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Speaker 5: When you tried to get this story out as he

516
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Speaker 5: ran for governor, it was largely ignored, I think, although

517
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Speaker 5: I want you to walk me through it. What has

518
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Speaker 5: the reaction been now that he is attempting to become

519
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Speaker 5: a heartbeat away from the presidency. Has the media covered

520
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Speaker 5: this story fairly in your mind? Have they reached out

521
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Speaker 5: to you very much? What can you tell us this

522
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Speaker 5: audience I think has heard your story, and if they haven't,

523
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Speaker 5: we're certainly glad to have you on. That's why we

524
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Speaker 5: brought you on as a guest. How was this factual

525
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Speaker 5: analysis that you've provide covered in the governor's campaign and

526
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Speaker 5: how is it being covered now from your perspective as

527
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Speaker 5: a retired member of the service.

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Speaker 6: Well back in eighteen when I first brought this out,

529
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Speaker 6: I sent it to every newspaper that I could find

530
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Speaker 6: on the internet in a state, and every radio station

531
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Speaker 6: on every TV station, trying to get the word out

532
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Speaker 6: there before the elections that people could actually judge whether

533
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Speaker 6: this was somebody they wanted to be our governor or

534
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Speaker 6: not because to me, as a military person retiree, I

535
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Speaker 6: hold this dear to my heart that somebody that lie

536
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Speaker 6: about something like this should not be in public office

537
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Speaker 6: and should not be able to make decisions because they

538
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 6: already made a really bad decision. And I actually had

539
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Speaker 6: to My local paper published the article The Truth about

540
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Speaker 6: Jim Walls, and then the then the Western Western Tribune

541
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Speaker 6: I think it's called. I had to pay for that

542
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Speaker 6: as a paid political ad, and then everybody else was like, well,

543
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Speaker 6: we you know, we can't publish it as a letter

544
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Speaker 6: to the editor. To start tribute in Minneapolis. They basically said, well,

545
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 6: these are pretty serious allegations, and I said yeah, but

546
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Speaker 6: I said they're they're pretty damn close all true, and

547
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Speaker 6: there might be a little something of a date or

548
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Speaker 6: something that might be wrong. But I said, here's the

549
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 6: people to talk to, here's the here's the people above him.

550
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Speaker 6: Vet the story if it's true, publish it. If it's not,

551
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Speaker 6: sue me for slander because I'm slandering if this is

552
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Speaker 6: not true, I'm slandering a city in congressman. And they

553
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Speaker 6: vetted it. They got back me a couple of days

554
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Speaker 6: later said this is all, this is just exactly as

555
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Speaker 6: you said. This is true. We're going to run an

556
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Speaker 6: article on it. And then a few hours later or

557
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Speaker 6: a day later, they came back. The guy reporter got

558
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Speaker 6: back to me and said this our editor next the story.

559
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 6: They said it's too close to the election and it

560
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Speaker 6: might influence the election. And all I thought to myself

561
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Speaker 6: is what the hell is this North Korea. I mean,

562
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Speaker 6: you've got the state you know, a media that it's

563
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Speaker 6: not state run, but it's acting like it's state run.

564
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Speaker 6: And I when this story broke, you know, when he

565
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 6: got picked, you know, by somebody that never should have picked.

566
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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know what the hell of vetting

567
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Speaker 6: process was to select this guy, but it's just absolutely

568
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 6: incompetency to pick him as the vice president. And he

569
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 6: gets in there, you know, then basically the prairie fire

570
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 6: started and it's just exploded with with different news organizations

571
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Speaker 6: contacting me and TO and other members to get the

572
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Speaker 6: story out. And I told the one lady, I said, well,

573
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Speaker 6: I haven't gotten have gotten called by CNN yet, And

574
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Speaker 6: about a day later I did, and I was like, well,

575
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Speaker 6: this is this is pretty crazy, I mean and they've

576
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 6: been they've been pretty good on some of it. You know,

577
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Speaker 6: they'll they'll pick and choose kind of what they want

578
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Speaker 6: to publish. They don't publish my whole story because they

579
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 6: know that it's not what they want a narrative they

580
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 6: want to get out there. But it's been very good

581
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Speaker 6: and it's you know, continuing to this day, and it's

582
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Speaker 6: going on you know way in the next week different

583
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Speaker 6: media outlets. That we need to get the word out

584
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Speaker 6: and get get the truth out there and get him

585
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Speaker 6: sent back. And I don't think they want him in Nebraska.

586
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Speaker 6: I don't know where the hell we're gonna send him.

587
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Speaker 5: But are you gonna watch him speak tonight?

588
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Speaker 6: I uh, I don't know if I can standard or not,

589
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Speaker 6: but I might.

590
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Speaker 5: It's kind of the general response I think of most

591
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Speaker 5: of our audience. By the way, that's perfect, sir. We

592
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: appreciate the time, We appreciate your service. Thank you for

593
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: reaching out talking to us. If there's more you want

594
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Speaker 5: to share with us between now and the election, we'd

595
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Speaker 5: love to have you back.

596
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Speaker 6: Well, that sounds great. The only thing I'd like to

597
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 6: add is that if your audience wants to know what

598
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 6: he's done to Minnesota. You'll get the book They're Lying

599
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 6: by Liz Collin, or or watch the documentary The Fall

600
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Speaker 6: of Minneapolis, and that'll If that's what you want this

601
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 6: country to, what you want it to have happened to

602
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Speaker 6: this country, just vote for him because he'll burn her

603
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Speaker 6: down and bail out the ones that burned it.

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Speaker 5: Sir, Thank you, We appreciate the time. Thank you for

605
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Speaker 5: tearing your story, and thank you for the service filling

606
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Speaker 5: in when Tim Walls wasn't willing to do what his

607
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Speaker 5: obligations and responsibilities would have suggested he would serve for

608
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Speaker 5: his men overseas in Iraq. Thank you, you.

609
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Speaker 6: Are welcome, and thank you for being one of the

610
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Speaker 6: people we're fighting for.

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Speaker 1: Sleeve Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.

612
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Speaker 2: They're probably going to have on John Meacham and they

613
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Speaker 2: love to do on that show, particularly on MSNBC, to

614
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Speaker 2: bring on the presidential historian, as if that's I don't

615
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't the presidential story. I don't care like so

616
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Speaker 2: you you spent a lot of time in the archives

617
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Speaker 2: about some guy who was president two hundred years ago,

618
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Speaker 2: and now I'm supposed to be like, oh, well, whatever

619
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Speaker 2: you say about the you know, carried interest tax loophole,

620
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: like it's ridiculous. But Biden clung to power with all

621
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Speaker 2: the ferocity of his bony old fingers.

622
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Speaker 3: Okay, and we all saw it over and over again.

623
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Speaker 3: I'm the nominee. I'm the nominee. That's nonsense. That's nonsense.

624
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Speaker 7: George Washington, George Washington, you know, made the decision to

625
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Speaker 7: step down. It wasn't like he was telling everybody vote

626
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Speaker 7: for me, I'm the only future of the country for

627
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Speaker 7: months and then he was like, psych, I'm stepping down.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, yes, you're right. They will try this.

629
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Speaker 2: But on its face, this is a laughable narrative. Biden

630
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: is kicked off that they shoved him aside, and it

631
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: was not a decision that he made any interest of

632
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Speaker 2: anybody other than the Biden families' finances going forward.

633
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Speaker 5: Also, as somebody who majored in history, and there's a

634
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: different multiverse out there where I went and got a

635
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Speaker 5: PhD in history, and I'm sitting around in some universities

636
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Speaker 5: still teaching history, like there is a world where that

637
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Speaker 5: could have happened.

638
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Speaker 3: I love history.

639
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 5: Historians are not very useful diagnosing real time issues. In

640
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: how they're going to play in the historical context. And

641
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Speaker 5: any of you out there that love reading history, like

642
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Speaker 5: Buck and I both, do you recognize that people still

643
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Speaker 5: argue sometimes for hundreds even thousands of years over whether

644
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Speaker 5: a general made a right decision at a battle, over

645
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Speaker 5: whether a leader made the right choice, and even things

646
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: that we now consider to be completely decided are sometimes

647
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Speaker 5: takes decades, fifty sixty, eighty years for that to be

648
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Speaker 5: the case. Good, good example, most people now would say, yeah,

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Speaker 5: FDR shouldn't have put Japanese people in internment camps during

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Speaker 5: World War Two.

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Speaker 3: I think everyone says that. I don't think anyone people

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Speaker 3: say yeah, I think there's very few.

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Speaker 5: There's probably a few people out there there like that

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Speaker 5: was the strongest move FDR ever made in real time. Buck,

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Speaker 5: a historian certainly would have come out and said, this

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Speaker 5: is in no way an irrational move by FDR, because,

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Speaker 5: for instance, again history nerd here, Abraham Lincoln suspended the

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Speaker 5: writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War. He could

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Speaker 5: just throw anybody that he wanted in prison without needing

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Speaker 5: to bring them in front of the uh.

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Speaker 3: Front of the judge.

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Speaker 5: And in retrospect, because Lincoln won the Civil War. Almost

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Speaker 5: no one talks about that, but I guarantee you that

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Speaker 5: they had radio shows talking about current events back in

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Speaker 5: the day. They would have brought on some Civil War

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Speaker 5: historian and he would have said, well, this is one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent defensible by FDR because look at what Lincoln did,

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Speaker 5: rid of habeas corpus, wartime changes the law. Look my

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Speaker 5: reality on it is oftentimes what a historian would say

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Speaker 5: is totally wrong when other historians analyze the legacy of

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Speaker 5: history and so yeah, well, these days the big problem

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Speaker 5: for current events is crazy.

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Speaker 2: The big problem for some of these historians is, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what was Lincoln's policy on on trans bathroom usage? I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's just not enough of a you know. That's that's

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Speaker 2: really what the historians are today. They're like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: would Abraham Lincoln obviously have supported biological men competing in

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Speaker 2: women's sports in the Olympics, We don't know what honesty

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Speaker 2: would have said.

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Speaker 5: Would Abraham Lincoln even buck have been a man if

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Speaker 5: he were alive today, he might have decided to identify

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Speaker 5: as a woman.

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Speaker 2: United States could have been the first woman president. I know,

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Speaker 2: but that that this is the stuff that history most

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Speaker 2: historians today spend their time on nonsense like this. I'll

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Speaker 2: just tell you they spend their time on what is it?

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Speaker 2: Historiography and uh and uh. I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 2: the phrase that they use for when.

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Speaker 5: They historiography by itself is such a nerdy word. I

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Speaker 5: bet five percent of our audience knows, but anybody who

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Speaker 5: studies history.

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Speaker 3: I did my thesis on.

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Speaker 5: The burning of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania book, which was the only

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Speaker 5: time the Confederacy South burned down a Union a northern city,

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Speaker 5: and I analyzed the this is you want to talk

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Speaker 5: about nerds. I analyzed the voting data from eighteen sixty

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Speaker 5: in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania and compared it with eighteen sixty four

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Speaker 5: to try to determine whether if the South had adopted

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Speaker 5: more of a total war mindset, much like Sherman on

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Speaker 5: his March to the Sea, would that have potentially altered

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Speaker 5: the outcome of the eighteen sixty four presidential election.

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Speaker 3: That was my thesis. So I'm a nerd on history.

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Speaker 3: That sounds pretty good. I actually would read it.

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Speaker 5: I did not that you know what I found It

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Speaker 5: would have changed the outcome of the eighteen sixty four election.

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Speaker 5: If Roberty Lee, during the invasion of of Gettysburg, had

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Speaker 5: been willing to burn down northern cities and actually bring

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Speaker 5: total war to the North, Lincoln would have lost in

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Speaker 5: sixty four.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: Only city to ever be burned chambersburn Pennsylvania by jewel

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Speaker 5: early on his raid in eighteen sixty four. A little

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Speaker 5: bit of nerd him there for you