Speaker 1: Ryan, you and I have worked together for I guess
Speaker 1: going on about fifteen years now, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: We met in Austin, and you know, it's been a
Speaker 1: pretty fun journey. How much do you feel like golf
Speaker 1: instruction has changed, you know, just in the time that
Speaker 1: you and I have known each other and been working together. Well,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: For me, we had a little bit of a shortcut
Speaker 2: because we knew Dave and Greg from TPI. From TPI, yep, definitely,
Speaker 2: you were one of the early adopters of kind of
Speaker 2: the Titleist Performance Institute. How did you get exposed to
Speaker 2: what they started to do and how do you feel
Speaker 2: like that kind of changed the way that you saw
Speaker 2: golf instruction, Because, I mean it definitely changed the way
Speaker 2: I thought about the way the body worked, the way
Speaker 2: golf swings worked, and how they're all connected. But how
Speaker 2: did you get exposed Because to Greg and Dave at TPI,
Speaker 2: just from the top, I was a titleist professional and
Speaker 2: we became a top titlest account and that gave us
Speaker 2: access to bringing in groups to titleists beginning in two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, and those guys would go through the
Speaker 2: process screens, the fittings, the workouts with Dave and Greg.
Speaker 2: At first, I was watching them how that all unfolded
Speaker 2: unfolded and what the screens correlated to swing traits, swing
Speaker 2: faults back at the time, right, So if you did
Speaker 2: a certain move and a screen, most likely you'll have
Speaker 2: a certain fault in the golf swing. And that just
Speaker 2: kind of went blew me away, And so selfishly I
Speaker 2: wanted to go through it first to help my game.
Speaker 1: And yeah, because at that time, I think when you
Speaker 1: and I met, I was still trying to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you played college golf at SMU. You and who was
Speaker 1: on your who was part of the team when you
Speaker 1: were at SMU.
Speaker 2: And Kny that's probably the big star you Sam Chance yep.
Speaker 2: And then in my time freshman year, we had Jason
Speaker 2: and who going on to be one of the coaches there,
Speaker 2: Chris Parr who's the current coach, Josh Gregory who is
Speaker 2: a great tour coach.
Speaker 1: Right now, who was the SMU coach, the sm coach
Speaker 1: as well, and Hank Haney was your.
Speaker 2: Course, Hank Caney was saving him for last. He was
Speaker 2: my head coach.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 2: Very tough, very tough, and for me personally, I went
Speaker 2: to SMU because I knew I would go there if
Speaker 2: I didn't play golf, and it was in Dallas. I'm
Speaker 2: from Austin. I stayed in Texas, Cowboys Stars, all that stuff, Rangers.
Speaker 2: I wanted to stay in Texas, and it was just
Speaker 2: his graciousness to let me on the team because I
Speaker 2: was a walk off. I had a pretty good record
Speaker 2: my senior year as a player, but that's how I
Speaker 2: got to SMU. It would be the graciousness of Hank Haney.
Speaker 2: And I actually gave it up and worked on becoming
Speaker 2: an FBI agent at the beginning of my sophomore year,
Speaker 2: which is a different tournam events, but.
Speaker 1: From college golf to being an FBI agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the dream, and that took a lot
Speaker 2: of time, and I didn't have time for golf and
Speaker 2: those pursuits and being a regular college kid too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, being a regular college kid and trying to be
Speaker 1: in the FBI probably doesn't go hand in hand, No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 2: So I had to bridge that gut too.
Speaker 1: So how did you get from trying to be a
Speaker 1: college golfer too, trying to be an FBI agent to
Speaker 1: now having a you know, almost you know, decade and
Speaker 1: a half of being a golf instructor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll keep it short. Paul orII won the British
Speaker 2: Open in ninety nine. Ye and PAULARI, Uh, who the
Speaker 2: hell is Paul ar Yeah, he was like a driving
Speaker 2: range pro. I came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Now he wasn't a driving range but he played. He
Speaker 1: was He played tour.
Speaker 2: He played on the European Tour for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he came up from you know that those ranks
Speaker 2: and we're like, man, if he can do this, I can.
Speaker 2: He came back from ten shots that Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. So I was working and I think Paul gets
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, because of the way he
Speaker 1: won that Open championship. I mean, yeah, Paul Lurie was
Speaker 1: a legit player on the European Tour and played and
Speaker 1: just happened to be the last man standing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And most Americans didn't know he was, and I
Speaker 2: certainly didn't know he was, And I think it was
Speaker 2: a great thing. He inspired my decision to change back
Speaker 2: to golf. I mean, because I was working for the
Speaker 2: State of California and Medicaid. I was literally on my
Speaker 2: way to becoming an agent because I worked in claims,
Speaker 2: but I also helped the fraud team and that's what
Speaker 2: I was working on. And then I just saw him win.
Speaker 2: I was like, Man, I'm gonna go give this another shot.
Speaker 2: I'm after about a year or so saving money, and
Speaker 2: I came to the Golden Bear Tour in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, got my ass kicked, went back home to Austin,
Speaker 2: went back home to Dallas and played around Texas for
Speaker 2: a long time and ended up at Austin Golf Club.
Speaker 1: That's where we met.
Speaker 2: That's where we met. Still trying to play but also
Speaker 2: be an assistant pro section events blah blah blah. But
Speaker 2: because of our relationship with Tylis, we became a good
Speaker 2: titles account for him. We were able to go to
Speaker 2: TPI and we were also able to get in touch
Speaker 2: with the Harmins as we found out that Colt Harmon
Speaker 2: wants to come back to the States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I was living. I was working on the
Speaker 1: European Tour at that time, and I was researching. You know,
Speaker 1: while you Line was gracious enough early on in my
Speaker 1: career to make me a part of the titleist organization,
Speaker 1: which was a huge part of my development. And and
Speaker 1: you know when I met you. You kind of you know,
Speaker 1: i'd just come. I just moved back to I moved
Speaker 1: to Austin to work at the Austin Golf Club for
Speaker 1: a year. I'd been on the European Tour for like
Speaker 1: three or four years. And you know, you were this
Speaker 1: person that had all of this new information. You were
Speaker 1: really the one that kind of introduced me to TPI.
Speaker 1: You know, that introduced me to Greg and Dave, and
Speaker 1: through you know, getting to know them, you know, you
Speaker 1: and I kind of pushed all in on that kind
Speaker 1: of whole body swing connection.
Speaker 2: That's the difference because most golf structures either have a
Speaker 2: lot of experience from plan or just a lot of
Speaker 2: experience just connecting dots over the years. What Dave and
Speaker 2: Greg were able to do basically and maybe fifteen seconds
Speaker 2: was diagnosed as only basically hack what you needed to
Speaker 2: do to work on your swing.
Speaker 1: To what they were doing and what is now normal
Speaker 1: in golf instruction, it's normal now twenty twenty three, correct,
Speaker 1: But they were really kind of coming up with life
Speaker 1: hacks for and I've talked about this, you know, on
Speaker 1: the pod before. I've talked about that. I've had Greg
Speaker 1: or Dave on a couple of times, and I'm all
Speaker 1: about this too. You know, the idea that when you
Speaker 1: look at a player, and even a player, you know,
Speaker 1: we look at players, you know, from an instruction standpoint,
Speaker 1: But there are so many people listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: that are trying to self diagnose their own game. Right
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out how to hit the golf
Speaker 1: ball better, how to hit the golf ball straighter, how
Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball further more solid, whatever the
Speaker 1: fix is. And some of the life hacks that I
Speaker 1: think the guys at TPI came up with were, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're not doing something in your golf swing, there's gut.
Speaker 1: It's two things. It's concept problem in that you don't
Speaker 1: understand the concept of what you're trying to do. But
Speaker 1: I think most golfers that are playing a lot and
Speaker 1: practicing a lot, I think i'd say they have a
Speaker 1: good idea of the concept that they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: I think most people that are playing golfer slicers of
Speaker 1: the golf ball, I think most people have a fairly
Speaker 1: decent understanding. In twenty twenty three, with all the information
Speaker 1: that is readily available through social media on the Internet.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can kind of come up with a
Speaker 1: pretty good game plan if you're a slicer, just off
Speaker 1: of going and watching YouTube videos and things like that,
Speaker 1: you come up with a pretty good game plan on
Speaker 1: what you need to do to try and draw the
Speaker 1: golf ball. I mean, there are a ton of videos
Speaker 1: that you can go online, which was a tune which
Speaker 1: wasn't around in two thousand and four. I mean the
Speaker 1: content that is available now. I think for the regular
Speaker 1: golfer that is just trying to lower their handicap is
Speaker 1: we've never had that much information. But what I do
Speaker 1: think is that one of the things that the average
Speaker 1: golfer doesn't think of is Okay, could there be something
Speaker 1: that is limiting me from a physical standpoint that isn't
Speaker 1: allowing me to do the concept that I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: That's why I used to put a lot of stuff out,
Speaker 2: and that's why I do not put last stuff a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff out because you have to be able
Speaker 2: to physically do the thing you're trying to do. And
Speaker 2: you maybe just bang your head against the wall because
Speaker 2: you can't lay the chaft down because your right shoulder
Speaker 2: neck doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's important that I'll you know, specifically,
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty twenty three, social media a lot
Speaker 1: of people are getting their golf instruction information and info data,
Speaker 1: whatever theories, it's coming from social media, it's coming from
Speaker 1: people making videos. But I think it's it's what you
Speaker 1: said is really important. You've got to understand first and
Speaker 1: foremost what your body can and can't do right based
Speaker 1: off of the things that you're trying to get your
Speaker 1: body to do to swing the golf club.
Speaker 2: So you can go through trial and error, and I
Speaker 2: mean to years. I think what Dave and Greg were
Speaker 2: able to do in a minute it was diagnosed everything
Speaker 2: and come up with the corres corresponding plan to fix everything.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the heck. And I've been doing that
Speaker 2: since I think got certified officially two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: all three levels, but I think they started a programming
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, but I was doing that before
Speaker 2: I got certified.
Speaker 1: So for people listening that haven't been screened and haven't
Speaker 1: gone through and by.
Speaker 2: The way, this is all this is applayers with all sports
Speaker 2: not too right. So even if you're a baseball player,
Speaker 2: there are certain things that your body cannot do and
Speaker 2: pre emulating a certain picture or a batting style. It's
Speaker 2: the same thing. And I think that's very relatable to
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of golfers that played other sports. Right,
Speaker 2: I wasn't successful in football because I couldn't do this,
Speaker 2: or I wasn't big enough or fast enough. Well, we
Speaker 2: can train for speed, we can we can screen your power,
Speaker 2: we can do all this stuff, and we can hack
Speaker 2: into why it's happening or why it's not happening, and
Speaker 2: that can make your program or you're lesson got much
Speaker 2: more efficient.
Speaker 1: So obviously we live in the lesson world. We live
Speaker 1: in the instruction world. But there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening to this podcast that don't have a golf
Speaker 1: instructor that they see on a regular basis. Right, right,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to a driving range,
Speaker 1: They're going to the golf course. But I would say
Speaker 1: I think a large percentage of people listening are not
Speaker 1: in the world that we're in. They don't have a trainer,
Speaker 1: they don't have someone to screen them, they don't really
Speaker 1: work with someone on a regular basis from a golf standpoint,
Speaker 1: from an instruction standpoint. So for that person. What are
Speaker 1: some things that they can do? What are some of
Speaker 1: these life hacks that you could give someone that's a
Speaker 1: mid handicap golfer, you know, a ten to twenty handicap
Speaker 1: golfer who's just trying to break ninety eighty for the
Speaker 1: first time, maybe break par for the first time. But
Speaker 1: that mid range golfer who's just trying to break eighty
Speaker 1: for the first time, who's just trying to break ninety,
Speaker 1: who's trying to break one hundred, what are some things
Speaker 1: that they can do on their own, without an instructor,
Speaker 1: without a trainer, without all of the stuff that they
Speaker 1: see the player have.
Speaker 2: Right, this is kind of the greatest challenge for the industry, right,
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, you don't have to have your
Speaker 2: best stuff to score your best I think that is
Speaker 2: a realization that some professionals are just not understanding, right,
Speaker 2: meaning that you're able to break eighty, and maybe you
Speaker 2: didn't drive it well the day that day, but you're
Speaker 2: able to get around through short game. We're putting, right,
Speaker 2: so you've got to be able to almost be able
Speaker 2: to rank what you have on a great putter. I
Speaker 2: need to set myself up for some great putts, meaning
Speaker 2: I need to get on the green with every.
Speaker 1: Chip right, regardless of how far away from the hole.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you've got a wedging you hand
Speaker 2: in your ten handicap, you should be able to hit
Speaker 2: the green more than ninety percent of the time if
Speaker 2: you know how far you are and what kind of
Speaker 2: yardage you can hit that witch right. I don't care
Speaker 2: what it looks like swing way. And so for me,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very as you know, I'm very systematic in
Speaker 2: my approach.
Speaker 1: Systematic. I mean you're systematic in every approach of your life.
Speaker 1: Don't just give it to golf. I mean you're the
Speaker 1: ultimate process.
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to hack and systematize and everything. But
Speaker 2: you know, if you go out and block practice and
Speaker 2: find a favorite wedge number right, then that should be
Speaker 2: a go to wedge number.
Speaker 1: So how does a player do that? Right?
Speaker 2: So I like to basically start backwards. So I'd rather
Speaker 2: you have a whatever swing it is, like a shoulder
Speaker 2: to shoulder swing, or like at ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: Nine to three or whatever. If you're in the clock through,
Speaker 1: waist high back, waistide through. I think I think a
Speaker 1: good wedge distance kind of baseline is if you take
Speaker 1: the golf club back, you know, think about your hand position.
Speaker 1: Your hands are, you're standing in the dial of a clock.
Speaker 1: Your head's at twelve o'clock, your hands are at six o'clock.
Speaker 1: So if your hands kind of went to that waist
Speaker 1: high position, we would call at nine o'clock on the
Speaker 1: on the dial if you're a right handed golfer, and
Speaker 1: then three o'clock on the follow through. So I've always
Speaker 1: thought that that's a really good baseline to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: waist tied back, waist tied through with my lob wedge,
Speaker 1: my sand wedge, my pitching wedge, whatever that is, go
Speaker 1: whatever distance, go that. So how many balls do you
Speaker 1: think someone could could come up with and use it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody. I think the majority of
Speaker 1: golfers now have a rangefinder, right, So go out on
Speaker 1: a range, find a target that is fifty yards, well backtrack.
Speaker 2: To break eighty or to break ninety, you got to
Speaker 2: have some level of short game propiciency and you can't
Speaker 2: make the big mistakes right. So for me, it's really
Speaker 2: easy for a player to just learn the small shots first,
Speaker 2: the putting, the pitch shots, the bump and runs, the
Speaker 2: punch shots. You have to have an understanding of how
Speaker 2: far you hit those shots, and for me to systematize it,
Speaker 2: find those numbers nine o'clock to three o'clock, right, ten o'clock,
Speaker 2: one o'clock, whatever your numbers are, make those religious and
Speaker 2: apply those to the course. So if you if you're
Speaker 2: a number with like a nine o'clock swing that you've
Speaker 2: found basically by hitting no thirty balls to no target, like,
Speaker 2: just work on the position, the distance of the swing
Speaker 2: the lane.
Speaker 1: So take the target out of the ear. Take the
Speaker 1: target out, because I do think that golfers are so
Speaker 1: outcome oriented, they're so target oriented, that as soon as
Speaker 1: we implement a target, then the golf swing they're making.
Speaker 2: Would we ever teach a quarterback to throw to the five,
Speaker 2: the ten, the fifteen, the twenty, when you're six years old,
Speaker 2: we teach them to throw.
Speaker 1: It tennis, all you're trying to do for a beginning
Speaker 1: tennis player is just have them get the ball over
Speaker 1: the net, having them put it in a specific place
Speaker 1: on the court. You're not having them go down the line,
Speaker 1: You're not have them go cross coreps, or you're not
Speaker 1: hitting into the squares. All you're trying to do is
Speaker 1: just say okay, yep, get the ball consistently over the net.
Speaker 2: So head to a space, use your range finder and
Speaker 2: laser the center of the space, the spread of your balls.
Speaker 2: What is that number eighty five? Even if it's not
Speaker 2: exactly eighty five, it's a generalization. And that's like your
Speaker 2: favorite position. Let's say it's a kind of a shoulder
Speaker 2: to shoulder fifty sixty three ways, use eighty five yards, right,
Speaker 2: Take that number and make it religious right. So when
Speaker 2: you have a target that's ninety yards, don't hit it
Speaker 2: ninety hit it eighty five, get it on the green.
Speaker 2: You got five yards fifteen feet, hut it out done.
Speaker 2: So if you can do that with three or four wedges.
Speaker 2: Now we have three or four numbers, maybe you can
Speaker 2: add a different length swing. Now we have eight numbers.
Speaker 2: And I really pledge this and pursue this with the
Speaker 2: juniors and pros that I woke with. It's like, what
Speaker 2: are your numbers? And if they don't have an answer,
Speaker 2: I've got a problem.
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Speaker 1: large majority of golfers and a large majority of people
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast fundamentally have no idea how far
Speaker 1: they hit. They really hit their golf clubs, their golf
Speaker 1: ball consistently. And that's where I've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past. I think, wouldn't you agree we are so
Speaker 1: influenced by television because the average golfer watches who's big
Speaker 1: into golf? They watch a lot of golf on TV. Right,
Speaker 1: They spend an enormous time on the weekend watching golf,
Speaker 1: and so they're influence and spy that, right. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know John Wood? You know they throw it down.
Speaker 1: The NBC guys throw it down to John Wood, the
Speaker 1: CBS guys throw it down to Dottie or Colt or
Speaker 1: any of the on course guys. Is say what's he
Speaker 1: got and they spin out on a par three, or
Speaker 1: if someone's laid up, they spit out a number. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got one oh five and he's going to hit
Speaker 1: this club. And I do think that a lot of golfers.
Speaker 1: When they are playing golfer, they're on the range, they
Speaker 1: take those numbers as if those are the numbers that
Speaker 1: they're going to hit that club.
Speaker 2: Well, but I I've had this conversation many times. It's
Speaker 2: like you're watching Pat Mahomes, he scrambles, throws the dime
Speaker 2: to one of his receivers, and that fan of the
Speaker 2: game thinks they can go do that on the football
Speaker 2: field the next day. And a golfer thinks they can
Speaker 2: be Jordan Speed. He hits a wedge to from one
Speaker 2: oh five to ten feet all day on Sunday because
Speaker 2: he's playing great, he's on TV, and they think that's
Speaker 2: what they need to do. There's no chance that that
Speaker 2: type of basic fan of the game can throw the
Speaker 2: ball like Pat Mahlmes.
Speaker 1: Or shoot a three point air like Steph Curry, or
Speaker 1: take a free kick like Leonel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo
Speaker 1: or any other sport. Why do you think that golfers
Speaker 1: unlike any I mean, we all marvel when we watch,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever your sport is, whether it's football, where
Speaker 1: it's basketball, baseball, cricket, rugby, you know soccer, which I
Speaker 1: call football. But there's no other sport to where people
Speaker 1: fundamentally believe that they are. They're thirty five years old,
Speaker 1: they have a regular job that they think they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to go out and do the identical
Speaker 1: same things that Lebron does. But all of these great athletes,
Speaker 1: but for some reason in golf, we all think that, oh,
Speaker 1: because it's I have a theory that I think it's
Speaker 1: because it's very very hard for if you love let's
Speaker 1: say you love American football, it's very hard to actually
Speaker 1: ever play. You can't. You can't get a team. You
Speaker 1: can't get your own team and then go get another
Speaker 1: team and then go to a regular sized football put
Speaker 1: all the pads on. Get how about this?
Speaker 2: I can't call any read and say, hey, can you
Speaker 2: tell me how to play like Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do it right. So why do you think
Speaker 1: do you think it's because you can go to the
Speaker 1: same golf course. Let's say we live in South Florida.
Speaker 1: They have you know they you know they up until
Speaker 1: this year they had to Honda here. Every year we
Speaker 1: could go to PG National. We could go on the
Speaker 1: weekend and watch someone play the bear trap, you know,
Speaker 1: hit it in the water on fifteen bogie sixteen, bogie seventeen,
Speaker 1: bogie eighteen, and then you could go play from the
Speaker 1: same tees and somehow make a par on a hole
Speaker 1: where they made a bogie or make birdy on a
Speaker 1: hole where they made up. Do you think, because the
Speaker 1: rules of golf are unlike any other that you can
Speaker 1: go play the same venues from the same teest and
Speaker 1: there's that suspension of disbelief that you go play a
Speaker 1: part you could play golf with. You could go play
Speaker 1: golf with Rory McElroy and he could make a bogie.
Speaker 1: You could be a fifteen twenty handicapper and make a par,
Speaker 1: somehow sneak it in there, make a par, and the
Speaker 1: belief system is, oh, we're playing the same game. Yes,
Speaker 1: but we're not. And I think that most golfers, and
Speaker 1: I've talked about this enormously, you know, add nauseum on
Speaker 1: the pod is I think a lot of golf for
Speaker 1: regular golfers. And to me, regular golfers are ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent right. The people that you're watching that are competitive golfers,
Speaker 1: they make up very I don't know what them, but
Speaker 1: in my mind, they make up one percent of the
Speaker 1: people that are going to play this momme right, especially
Speaker 1: when the golfers that you're watching on television right. So
Speaker 1: to me, I've talked about this so much. I think
Speaker 1: for everyone listening, managing their expectations, but understanding what it
Speaker 1: is that you can do.
Speaker 2: Yes, find some reality, know what you have. If you're
Speaker 2: fifty six becues eighty five instead of Jordan Spieth's one five,
Speaker 2: that's your number, right. If you can carry your driver
Speaker 2: maybe two thirty. It's not gonna go three hundred, right,
Speaker 2: And the uh that's It's a big part of the
Speaker 2: industry is tackling that from from a wide from a
Speaker 2: wide view.
Speaker 1: And I also think it's incumbent upon the player. My
Speaker 1: dad's always said, check your ego at the door when
Speaker 1: you go to the golf course, of the driving way,
Speaker 1: for sure of your ego in the car. And I
Speaker 1: do think that if everyone listening had a more honest approach,
Speaker 1: but an honest evaluation of what their strengths, but all
Speaker 1: so what their weaknesses are. What do you think is
Speaker 1: a good kind of golf life hack for players to
Speaker 1: find what they're good at? Right? Because I mean, we've
Speaker 1: got driving, we've got irons, we've got short game and
Speaker 1: then we've got putting right, and then you want to
Speaker 1: throw in course management. But to me, those are the
Speaker 1: five areas. Sure, you know, because if you look at
Speaker 1: what we're looking at from a tour standpoint or from
Speaker 1: a competitive standpoint, I'm looking at how Brooks DJ, the
Speaker 1: players that I work with, Brooks DJ, Pat Perez, Marine Alex.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at how they drive the ball. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at what their iron game is like. You know, from
Speaker 1: the tour standpoint, we're looking at short irons, mid irons,
Speaker 1: long irons. Then we're looking at short game, then we're
Speaker 1: looking at putting, and then we're looking at course management.
Speaker 1: Give me some you know, basic life hacks that a
Speaker 1: ten to twenty handicapper can use in their practice. It
Speaker 1: can help them evaluate what elements of those five things
Speaker 1: are good at and what elements of those five things
Speaker 1: they're not good. Right.
Speaker 2: So we've covered chork in right putting the same way.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, give yourself three feet, make a circle,
Speaker 2: knock them all out. You need to be one from
Speaker 2: three feet right. I don't care want your handicappings right,
Speaker 2: break it out six feet, ten feet. Maybe i'd find
Speaker 2: out what your percentages are. Use ten balls make it easy, right,
Speaker 2: Just give yourself some level of expectation. Don't look at
Speaker 2: the tour stats. What's what's your stats?
Speaker 1: And also, I think the average goal for vastly overestimates
Speaker 1: how good tour players are, right, because they think they
Speaker 1: think every fifteen footer. The percentages show that a tour
Speaker 1: player should make every fifteen footer, so they get a
Speaker 1: fifteen footer, whether it's for par, whether it's for bogie,
Speaker 1: whether it's for double weather, it's for bird or whatever.
Speaker 1: They I think the average golfer thinks, Okay, if I
Speaker 1: miss a fifteen footer, I'm a terrible putter. What is it?
Speaker 1: What is? It's right around seven to eight feet On
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, it goes fifty to fifty, right, that's
Speaker 1: right inside of I think seven feet. The numbers incrementally
Speaker 1: make wise go up the closer you get. But it's
Speaker 1: right around that seven to eight foot mark where it's
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on the PGA Tour. The best of
Speaker 1: the best or half the time they make and half
Speaker 1: the time they miss.
Speaker 2: Right, So start with butting, start with chipping too. You
Speaker 2: know eight foot circle you did inside eight f circle?
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't even think eight feet. I think if
Speaker 1: you know you can get it inside a ten foot circle, right,
Speaker 1: if you could just around the greens, regardless of how
Speaker 1: close you are two flag distances right now, two flag distance,
Speaker 1: you could just say, okay, let me get this anywhere
Speaker 1: inside of ten feet. Yep. If you're a fifteen handicapper,
Speaker 1: if you're a twenty handicapper and every chip shot you
Speaker 1: have gets somewhere inside of a ten foot I'd even
Speaker 1: go fifteen foot circle. You are going to be gaining massively. Correct,
Speaker 1: you're gaining strokes.
Speaker 2: Let's put you in six times out of ten balls, right, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and then take that to a full or swing. Irons
Speaker 2: create boundaries, whether you use like a name point little
Speaker 2: two fingers, how many times can you get it through
Speaker 2: the field goal?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: When you're practicing basketball, you know if it goes in
Speaker 2: the hoop or not. But when we're hitting golf balls
Speaker 2: to a random target, we're thinking about, hey, is it solid,
Speaker 2: which way to it go left or right?
Speaker 1: While was the curve? Just get it? Then the uprights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've got a golf course where if you've got
Speaker 1: a driving range where you practice and they have greens,
Speaker 1: those are awesome, Like if you're lucky enough to have
Speaker 1: a drive I know not everybody listening has that, but
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to have a driving range that
Speaker 1: has flags on a green rather than I think what
Speaker 1: everybody does, regardless of their handicap level, is they go
Speaker 1: to the driving range. If they've got a a target
Speaker 1: and it's on a green. They're aiming at the target,
Speaker 1: but they're not just trying to say, okay, whatever that distance,
Speaker 1: let's say it's one hundred one hundred yards away, let
Speaker 1: me just hit ten balls and just hit the green.
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about where the target is. Correct. Wait,
Speaker 1: if you've got a.
Speaker 2: Twenty yards wide, maybe yeah, maybe it's two trees in
Speaker 2: the distance. Chimneys like here, the.
Speaker 1: Two flags whatever. Give yourself barriers, barriers on either side,
Speaker 1: like a soccer goal, like a football goal, like a
Speaker 1: rugby goal. Give yourself barriers on either side, and say, okay.
Speaker 1: You know it's a thing that we say a lot
Speaker 1: in They say this a lot in hockey, they say
Speaker 1: this a lot in soccer slash football. If a hockey
Speaker 1: player is close to the goal, if a footballer is
Speaker 1: close to the goal, they always say, make the keeper
Speaker 1: make a safe hit the target right, regardless of whether
Speaker 1: you're going high, whether you're going low. Make the goalie
Speaker 1: make a safe regardless of where that is. And I
Speaker 1: think if that concept, you say to yourself, Okay, I
Speaker 1: just need to hit the target, and let's make the
Speaker 1: target big to begin with, and then start to shrink
Speaker 1: it after I get proficient at hitting the target.
Speaker 2: But then once you achieve all these segments from putting
Speaker 2: to full swing to driver whatever, you have a base
Speaker 2: level of expectation.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If you take that expectation to the course, now, you're
Speaker 2: not going to get upset when something goes wrong. And
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge part of this. People have
Speaker 2: these expectations of a tour player. They can't back it up.
Speaker 2: They lose focus.
Speaker 1: Shots one that they don't they've never practiced correct that
Speaker 1: they've never done on a driving range. Now when they're
Speaker 1: on the course playing the game, they're going to try
Speaker 1: something that is going to have a significant effect on
Speaker 1: their score, which is the object of playing golf is
Speaker 1: your score, yep.
Speaker 2: And if you've been just working on hand position for
Speaker 2: two hours, then you go to play nine holes and
Speaker 2: you're trying to work on hand position during the nine holes,
Speaker 2: probably not going to score your best, much better off
Speaker 2: kind of testing yourself either in the warm up before
Speaker 2: the round. Get it through the gates, get it through
Speaker 2: the targets, make them from three feet, make them five
Speaker 2: give yourself hard specific data, a system that you will
Speaker 2: that you can apply to the course. Now your expectations
Speaker 2: are grounded. Now you can play eighteen holes, face the challenges,
Speaker 2: play the game and you're not getting upset over and
Speaker 2: some sort of simple shower or some imperfect swinger whatever.
Speaker 1: What handicap range would you say is you need to
Speaker 1: be below this handicap range to actually aim at specific pins.
Speaker 1: So you've got you know, you've got.
Speaker 2: To be a loaded question based on what we did
Speaker 2: last week.
Speaker 1: Right, you've got eighteen holes, right, and you've got eighteen greens.
Speaker 1: Give me a for you. You've been doing this, you know,
Speaker 1: you've been teaching as long as I have. What is
Speaker 1: your threshold for you need to be this handicap or
Speaker 1: lower for you to as a player to be aiming
Speaker 1: at pins as opposed to just trying to get it
Speaker 1: on the green.
Speaker 2: I would say zero handicap, get it on the green.
Speaker 1: So you need to be a scratch golfer.
Speaker 2: You need to be a scratch golfer.
Speaker 1: To be going at specific targets on a green yep.
Speaker 2: And you know one of the Brooks stories is the
Speaker 2: four or five hole in US test.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about that on the pod before.
Speaker 2: And if you go out and play a four or
Speaker 2: five holes, you're playing great. You've got maybe a green light.
Speaker 2: And for me when i'm coaching, you've got a green
Speaker 2: light from maybe one or two pins that are perfect scenarios,
Speaker 2: perfect numbers, perfect registances, whatever, perfect side of the green.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: And like at a major, zero pins, for Brooks at
Speaker 2: a regular event, maybe four or five maybe maybe right,
Speaker 2: and then if he gets if he's too aggressive, he
Speaker 2: backs it off, right. I think it's a scratch in
Speaker 2: a cap.
Speaker 1: So if you're a five, I.
Speaker 2: Will give you a green light, but you won't.
Speaker 1: But the green light would only be man.
Speaker 2: It's going to be one perfect scenario scenario per round, and.
Speaker 1: It's probably going to be with a club that you
Speaker 1: can control. So it's probably for let's say you're a
Speaker 1: if you're a five, ten, fifteen handicapper, it's probably going
Speaker 1: to be a scoring club.
Speaker 2: Your objective is to eliminate the mistakes off the tee,
Speaker 2: the mistakes entered the green and just get out of
Speaker 2: there every hole. That's what's pointing. That's how we play
Speaker 2: the game right. And if you're making these decisions going
Speaker 2: after pens and you don't have the right numbers, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna perform, well, you're not gonna score.
Speaker 1: Well, well you were, you were part of you were
Speaker 1: giving a lesson last week when when Brooks was here
Speaker 1: with and I talked about this on the pod last
Speaker 1: week with Boggle Laro, the kid that's trying to play professionally,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that you I'd forgotten that
Speaker 1: Brooks said this, but you messaged me this, yep, and
Speaker 1: I remembered it. You said, Brooks said to Boggle, I
Speaker 1: am ten times more disciplined.
Speaker 2: It's how I opened the conversation than you are.
Speaker 1: And then you will ever be on the golf course
Speaker 1: with regards to they were asked targets, club selection, go
Speaker 1: no go green light versus light and he was like
Speaker 1: and and I forgot to mention this in the pod
Speaker 1: when I was talking about it, but I thought that
Speaker 1: was fascinating that Brooks was like, I am more disciplined
Speaker 1: than you are. And I'm one of the best players
Speaker 1: in the world, and I've won five major championships and
Speaker 1: have been number one in the world. I'm more disciplined
Speaker 1: at picking conservative targets than you are.
Speaker 2: And what does discipline mean? I mean, it's basically meaning
Speaker 2: that he knows his game that day, that and minted
Speaker 2: better than anyone else in the world other than maybe
Speaker 2: Ricky is caddy. Yeah, and implying that nobody else has
Speaker 2: that level of awareness and discipline in the room that
Speaker 2: day for sure, and a majority of professionals.
Speaker 1: So how do we how do how does a fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty handicapper go on the golf course and have discipline
Speaker 1: to not go what we call I mean, And again
Speaker 1: I keep going back to this. I think it's so
Speaker 1: much television bias. Yes, I mean, he can go flag
Speaker 1: hunting here, Johnny, he can go flag hunt here. This
Speaker 1: is a green light pin. If you're a fifteen handicapper.
Speaker 1: There are no green light pints. No, there are no
Speaker 1: green light pints.
Speaker 2: I don't okay, I but it's your perfect redge number.
Speaker 2: Just get it on the green find the center of safety,
Speaker 2: put it there, right. We have if you're a fifteen handicapper,
Speaker 2: you probably have top problems with alignment, Bob posishan whatever
Speaker 2: before we even get to the technical part. So you
Speaker 2: got to knock out all that stuff first, right, you
Speaker 2: gotta have an expectation that, hey, I just got seven
Speaker 2: out of ten within eighty five yards when I was
Speaker 2: warming up. I've got a pen at ninety. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to try to hit a ninety. I'm going to
Speaker 2: hit it eighty five. And you have a seventy percent chance,
Speaker 2: based on what you did earlier, to hit that job.
Speaker 1: And I also think that people forget. The average golfer
Speaker 1: forgets that unless you are lucky enough to be a
Speaker 1: member at a very elite, tournament style golf course, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like a very elite The majority of golfers
Speaker 1: play golf on greens that aren't running thirteen. They're not
Speaker 1: rock hard, the rough isn't massively up. The greens don't
Speaker 1: have the undulation that we see at places like Augusta
Speaker 1: or a major championship. So the greens it's a general station.
Speaker 1: But I think most people play golf courses where the
Speaker 1: greens are relatively flat because the majority of the greens
Speaker 1: that they're going to play. They might have some subtle slopes,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to have the slope that you know,
Speaker 1: the first green at Augusta has to where if they
Speaker 1: put the pin in certain positions, there's no way to
Speaker 1: actually even get at those positions. The greens are massively
Speaker 1: there's false fronts, there's a lot of rof, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of nobody plays. Nobody plays golf like that.
Speaker 1: Most people don't play golf like that, and they're never
Speaker 1: going to play golf like understand golf like that. So right,
Speaker 1: you're lucky in that you're not a fifteen handicapper and
Speaker 1: your home course is Augusta National, because you'd quit if
Speaker 1: you had to play Augusta National every day because the
Speaker 1: golf course is just too hard if you had to
Speaker 1: play you know, TPC Sawgrass where they play the Players Championship.
Speaker 1: I mean that golf course is next to impossible to
Speaker 1: play for tour players when they set it up under
Speaker 1: tournament conditions. So I think most golfers are lucky in
Speaker 1: that they play golf courses that they can just basically
Speaker 1: should scorable. If you do have the discipline to say, listen,
Speaker 1: let me just get it anywhere off the tee.
Speaker 2: And make sure you choose the right tea to begin with.
Speaker 1: Sure, So how do you give a life hack golf
Speaker 1: life hack to for everyone listening? How do you go
Speaker 1: about that? How do you choose the teas you play?
Speaker 1: Because everybody wants to play.
Speaker 2: Let's start simple with if you're a junior, play all
Speaker 2: the way up and take and break par and then
Speaker 2: you work your way back to the next team. Can
Speaker 2: you break par from there?
Speaker 1: And if you're a fifteen handicapper, if you want to
Speaker 1: go back and play the back teas because you want
Speaker 1: to be you want to feel like a trope, you
Speaker 1: want to feel like you're a player, blah blah. But
Speaker 1: until you can consistently yeah, I think you know. If
Speaker 1: you're trying to break eighty for the first time, rather
Speaker 1: than do it from the tea box that you want
Speaker 1: to play, go to the go to the forward, t
Speaker 1: the furthest shop tree. Historically that has been the Ladies
Speaker 1: team whatever whatever, now different colors, whatever, but you know, red, white, blue, whatever.
Speaker 1: Go to the front, go as far up as you
Speaker 1: can and try and break. If you're trying to break
Speaker 1: hundred for the first time, go to the furthest forward
Speaker 1: t and try and break.
Speaker 2: Trys how fun it is, right, And if you put
Speaker 2: it like that is a raised from those teas and
Speaker 2: we're covering distance right as fast as you can, and
Speaker 2: it's a race. And when you play from the wrong
Speaker 2: tea or the furthest tea back and you're just making
Speaker 2: that race so much more toughly. Yeah, right, And.
Speaker 1: So it's I mean, to me, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: trying to play golf from further back than you should,
Speaker 1: to me, it's the equivalent of trying to climb Mount
Speaker 1: Everest and basically starting at the bottom and just thinking
Speaker 1: you're just going to climb all the way to the top.
Speaker 1: You're not going to Camp one and then not go
Speaker 1: So to me, the tea boxes are like climbing Mount Everest.
Speaker 1: Go to the front and just try and get acclimated
Speaker 1: at Camp one, which is the furthest forward tee, and
Speaker 1: once you get comfortable there, once you feel like you
Speaker 1: can kind of make good rational decisions there, get acclimated,
Speaker 1: get kind of in a good place, then you say, okay,
Speaker 1: Camp two is one tee further back. And if you're
Speaker 1: trying to break I mean, I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: great way to think about it. Right, If you're trying
Speaker 1: to break one hundreds for the first time, go to
Speaker 1: the forward t go to the closest possible, the shortest
Speaker 1: distance the golf course can be played from, and see it.
Speaker 1: If you can break a hundred.
Speaker 2: From the surprise, how much funny you would have.
Speaker 1: You would have a lot of fun because there would
Speaker 1: be a lot of par fours that you could get
Speaker 1: two and two. As opposed to saying, listen, I can't
Speaker 1: even get to this par four and two because I
Speaker 1: just don't hit it far enough, you could probably get
Speaker 1: to half of the par threes you might be able
Speaker 1: to get. You know, if you're playing a golf course
Speaker 1: where there's four par threes, you might let's see, if
Speaker 1: you could get to one of them, you might have
Speaker 1: a legend of two of them. Would say, but if
Speaker 1: you could just hit one of the greens, yes, out
Speaker 1: of the four, as opposed to missing all of them, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a gain, that's a win. You're making progress, big
Speaker 1: time progress. So consistently breaking one hundred, consistently breaking ninety,
Speaker 1: consistently breaking from a variety of different tees, I think
Speaker 1: is a really good baseline instead of stand, instead of
Speaker 1: just going, okay, it's your course. You've got. Let's say
Speaker 1: you've just got red, blue, and white. Right, go to
Speaker 1: the red, see what your score is. Next time you play,
Speaker 1: go to the white, see what your score is. Go
Speaker 1: all the way back, see what your score is. If
Speaker 1: you do that, I think you'd have a pretty good
Speaker 1: idea of the tees that you should be playing. Shared.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have some perspective, some data.
Speaker 1: Because I'm guessing you're probably going to shoot lower scores
Speaker 1: from the more forward tees and you're probably going to
Speaker 1: shoot exponentially worse from the back tees. Correct, and then
Speaker 1: figure out where you need to be based off of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you and I go out and play,
Speaker 1: we never I mean I hate playing golf from all
Speaker 1: the way back. Yes, I mean it's brutal for me
Speaker 1: because I don't hit the golf ball far enough right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, what here at the flow, what's
Speaker 1: sneaky speed? You know? But I mean if we play
Speaker 1: all the way back here at the flow, what is
Speaker 1: seventy one hundred seventy one hundred?
Speaker 2: You play some of the unmarkedees? Yea, right?
Speaker 1: And so on days that it's windy, there were going
Speaker 1: to be par four's. Where if I hit a good
Speaker 1: drop five hundred yards, Yeah, our ninth hole is five
Speaker 1: hundred yards. If I'm playing that from the back t
Speaker 1: and I bust a driver like I might be able
Speaker 1: to hit it to eighty. I mean, if I really
Speaker 1: catch one, it's rolling out to two ninety. But you
Speaker 1: know me, I'm bad at math. That's to eighty. That's
Speaker 1: gonna leave me a lot. I wouldn't have got that right.
Speaker 1: But you're now I've got two twenty, which is hybrid?
Speaker 1: Which hybrid? I'm trying to bust a three wood. I'm
Speaker 1: terrible at hitting three.
Speaker 2: With the wind.
Speaker 1: Right, who's getting h The prevailing wind is normally the
Speaker 1: on our ninth hole, right, So I've urt. Whereas if
Speaker 1: I play it from sixty, So we've got four t's
Speaker 1: at the flow right are five? Yep? Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: see five t is it's the shortest. So let's say
Speaker 1: I played five. Let's say I played it from the
Speaker 1: three tep. So a hole that is five hundred yards
Speaker 1: now is I think it's four hundred four hundred, right,
Speaker 1: So it's one hundred yards in distance yes, right, But again,
Speaker 1: if I hit my drive to seventy two sixty to
Speaker 1: two seventy instead of doing that from all the way
Speaker 1: back where now I'm looking at hitting three wood or
Speaker 1: going I probably can't even get to the green here
Speaker 1: if it's into the wind. I'm looking at a mid
Speaker 1: to a mid iron where I've got a much better
Speaker 1: chance to get to the green for sure.
Speaker 2: And that's more fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who the hell practices three woods off the deck all
Speaker 2: the time?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't dour players at all.
Speaker 1: No. Right, good golf life hack for figuring out the
Speaker 1: shape that you're trying to hit right to left, left
Speaker 1: to right. How does someone identify, regardless of their handicap level,
Speaker 1: how do they identify what shape they should be trying
Speaker 1: to hit?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I think you got to go through our testing, right,
Speaker 2: put us some barriers, put up a mark. We need
Speaker 2: to curve draws in there on the drive page. Yes,
Speaker 2: on the drive wrench.
Speaker 1: Do it with a seven, nine iron, eight iron something
Speaker 1: that you know obviously the higher the loft, the harder
Speaker 1: it is to curve the golf ball. I think kind
Speaker 1: of that eight iron to seven iron is a good
Speaker 1: golf club to use. That is going to show you
Speaker 1: whether you can curve the golf ball the way you
Speaker 1: want to or not.
Speaker 2: It'll be solid practice, nonetheless, but you know you do
Speaker 2: ten draws, ten fades who went right?
Speaker 1: And then so ten ten shots where you're trying to
Speaker 1: swing the golf club from out to in, which would
Speaker 1: be more of a fade shot. Ten golf balls where
Speaker 1: it's trying to swing the golf club a little bit
Speaker 1: more pathwise from in to out, which would be more
Speaker 1: of a draw shot. Yep, your ten balls, maybe twenty
Speaker 1: if you want to push it and say, okay, out
Speaker 1: of these twenty, how many of them had the shape
Speaker 1: that I was trying to hit. If it's left to right,
Speaker 1: if it's right to left, just start there. And I
Speaker 1: think one of the things I think is important is
Speaker 1: and I don't care how you do about it, and
Speaker 1: don't care how you do it, and don't have the
Speaker 1: running commentary in your head on okay, well that was
Speaker 1: too much. Can you move the golf ball left to right?
Speaker 1: Can you start it left of the target, have it
Speaker 1: curve back to the right. Can you start it right
Speaker 1: of the target, have it curve back to the left,
Speaker 1: and just get and then basically based off of that,
Speaker 1: you're probably going to have a good idea. I think
Speaker 1: the majority of golfers will struggle mid to high handicapped golfers,
Speaker 1: the majority of golfers, if they did that ten twenty
Speaker 1: balls trying to hit a fade, ten to twenty balls
Speaker 1: trying to hit a draw, they're going to struggle to
Speaker 1: hit the draw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they might do the exact opposite, right,
Speaker 2: and I'd be trying to draw it and it's just
Speaker 2: a push last every time.
Speaker 1: So based off of that, what does a player do.
Speaker 2: You gotta find the centers, fafety and hit it straight
Speaker 2: at it and don't try to curve it.
Speaker 1: You got to find a level.
Speaker 2: You got to have a base level of proficiency that
Speaker 2: you can yourself believe in instead of the TV or whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: bit's three out of ten draws, four out of ten fades.
Speaker 2: Then let's go play fade only off the tee, fade
Speaker 2: only on the greens for nine holes and just see
Speaker 2: what happened. Right.
Speaker 1: I think so many people are unwilling to actually go
Speaker 1: out on the golf course. Something that you and I
Speaker 1: have talked to our student. It's very difficult to go
Speaker 1: out on the golf course. Bob Rotello wants you to
Speaker 1: go to the golf course with no swing thoughts, right,
Speaker 1: but he'll allow you to have one right right. And
Speaker 1: I've told you the story. We've you've seen it in action.
Speaker 1: Trevor Emmlman. You know we love Trevor. Too smart for golf,
Speaker 1: way too smart for golf, and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things about it, and would overthink and overanalyze. And Rotello said, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to go with any swing thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I'll give you one. And Trevor was dying. This
Speaker 1: is like four, We're at the Masters, and Trevor's like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I can play golf with just one
Speaker 1: swing thought. And Rotella wants you to take one swing
Speaker 1: thought right and keep it the entire round, which is
Speaker 1: very difficult commit. So my point being to go play
Speaker 1: nine holes and commit to just hitting one shape, whatever
Speaker 1: that shape is, right, But do the test on the
Speaker 1: range and say, Okay, it's easier for me. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to draw it. I tend to slice the
Speaker 1: golf ball, right. I think most people listening will fall
Speaker 1: into that category. They tend to slice the golf ball. Okay,
Speaker 1: So go play nine holes and play for that shape,
Speaker 1: play for that miss, play for the ball to go
Speaker 1: left to right, adjust your aim, and don't try and
Speaker 1: go to the golf course and hit a draw which
Speaker 1: you aren't able to do on the driving rude. Just
Speaker 1: go to the golf course say, okay, I'm gonna fade it,
Speaker 1: slice it around. I'm gonna slice it rather than fade it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slice the golf ball around the golf course
Speaker 1: to aim for that. Yes, bang on it right now.
Speaker 2: Football players, if they're injured, they understand what they have
Speaker 2: that day and they go out and play anyway. You
Speaker 2: need to understand what you have that day and go
Speaker 2: out and play anyway and just commit right and try
Speaker 2: to be perfect out there and try to hit every shape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean it's something I preach on the
Speaker 1: pod all the time. I think for a regular golfer,
Speaker 1: just have one shape. You don't need to hit the
Speaker 1: golf ball high, you don't need to hit the golf bowl,
Speaker 1: you don't need to have all of these tools in
Speaker 1: your toolbox. You just need a hammer. And if you've
Speaker 1: got a hammer, you can hammer in a nail yep. Right,
Speaker 1: And then if you can just every time you see
Speaker 1: a nail and you've got a hammer, and you can
Speaker 1: just hammer that nail in perfect perfect Now to do
Speaker 1: other things, to do advanced carpentry, but you could have
Speaker 1: a hammer and some nails and some wood, you can
Speaker 1: do something and you could make something. Yes, with just
Speaker 1: a hammer and just some nails, not screws, nut saws.
Speaker 1: You could put together some pieces of wood that could
Speaker 1: make something right. And if you could think about just
Speaker 1: going out and trying to play nine holes and saying, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna hit the golf ball with the swing
Speaker 1: that I've got this direction for nine holes on every
Speaker 1: shot that's not going to aim at targets.
Speaker 2: Great example discipline right there.
Speaker 1: I don't care where it is on the fairway, whether
Speaker 1: it's on the left side, the right side, the middle,
Speaker 1: just anywhere in the fairway, anywhere on the green, add
Speaker 1: up what you shoot and get out of there. Because
Speaker 1: if you could do that right, I think, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: agree if you could do that, if you could just
Speaker 1: go out and say okay, let me get the ball
Speaker 1: and play off the tee, and you could do that right.
Speaker 1: You just say okay, it might not be pretty, but
Speaker 1: I am getting the ball in play in the fairway,
Speaker 1: off the tee, and then I'm not really aiming at
Speaker 1: any flags. I'm just basically hitting this anywhere on the green. Right.
Speaker 1: If then you look at your score and you've got
Speaker 1: forty three putts, then you could say, Okay, maybe you
Speaker 1: need to just learn how to put better because you're
Speaker 1: hitting some fairways and you're hitting some greens, and okay,
Speaker 1: now maybe we need to go look at speed control.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to look at that. But again, I
Speaker 1: think everybody looks at their golf game and thinks that
Speaker 1: they need to have all of the shots, right. They
Speaker 1: do not.
Speaker 2: Very few people in the world have all the shots.
Speaker 2: I think maybe Ernie ELS's peak, you saw it right, Tiger,
Speaker 2: he had all the shots, you saw it in person.
Speaker 1: Rory kind of. Rory has a lot of shots.
Speaker 2: I can tell you Brooks doesn't have all the shots.
Speaker 2: Brooks kind of has that the shots that he have
Speaker 2: man or might right, and he's very disciplined to use it.
Speaker 1: Give me some contact hacks. I think something that I've
Speaker 1: preached a show the contact Yeah. We had We had
Speaker 1: an old show called Yeah we had a show that
Speaker 1: we put up on YouTube that years ago. It was
Speaker 1: that fifteen years ago called the Contact Show, and nobody watched.
Speaker 1: I will say this one year, one year? Is it
Speaker 1: the twenty eleven? We just it was right around that
Speaker 1: time we started the Contact Show, right, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: two thousand.
Speaker 2: And Joe Haiferic and China something around there.
Speaker 1: Well, we had the show called the Contact Show. And
Speaker 1: I was at the PGA at Atlanta Athletic Club. I
Speaker 1: was getting my credential. My wife was with me, and
Speaker 1: some guy came up to me. It was a club
Speaker 1: pro and he said, big fan of the of the
Speaker 1: Contact Show. And my wife Lisa said, oh, you're the one.
Speaker 1: You're the one watcher. But contact, right, How do golfers
Speaker 1: what are some easy life hacks that they can do
Speaker 1: to improve quality of strike and contact?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for putting, I need a gate, put it through
Speaker 2: the gate.
Speaker 1: So the tiger, So the tiger drill. You put two
Speaker 1: t's on either side of your putter, depending on how much,
Speaker 1: give yourself some room right on either side of the putter.
Speaker 1: So the toe, put a tea outside the toe, outside
Speaker 1: the heel.
Speaker 2: Target, no target, no target, and then begin to challenge
Speaker 2: yourself when you.
Speaker 1: Get to that, and just feel like you're give yourself
Speaker 1: no target. And let's say you're trying to hit a
Speaker 1: ten foot putt and see if you can control the
Speaker 1: putter and the speed and the speed and have a saneness.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the great drills that I like
Speaker 1: to do is have someone in your mind do the
Speaker 1: gate right, do the gate drill right. You're gonna give
Speaker 1: yourself room to hit the putter and then say, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got a ten foot putt. I'm gonna hit five balls,
Speaker 1: ten balls, and I'm going to see if all of
Speaker 1: them kind of have a saneness to them, look the
Speaker 1: same speed wise, give yourself a t walk out five steps,
Speaker 1: ten steps, and say okay, I'm just gonna hit ten
Speaker 1: balls and see if I'm I've got five balls or
Speaker 1: ten balls that look somewhat similar to each other from
Speaker 1: a speed standpoint, from a distant standpoint, from a dispersion standpoint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that one. How much of putting contact wise
Speaker 1: the way the club contacts the ball do you think
Speaker 1: can be cured and you can benefit from by taking away.
Speaker 3: The target all of it, especially the higher they anicap.
Speaker 3: I mean, no hole, you go to pop shroke, you
Speaker 3: go to miniature golf and get those little bullseye style putters.
Speaker 1: People hit those great shitty golf balls through the clown's
Speaker 1: mouth and they get to the golf course, they got
Speaker 1: your fancy spider putter and holes and brakes and maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes it's slower than actual putt put golf
Speaker 1: course and it's a complete freak out.
Speaker 2: So make sure you gamify it a little bit too.
Speaker 2: And then for you know, for chipping, I preach even
Speaker 2: for pros, you got to have like a ten yard shot,
Speaker 2: one that goes high, one that goes low. I don't
Speaker 2: care what wedge it is. And usually hit a shot
Speaker 2: the ghost ten yards and we're like like a soft,
Speaker 2: kind of floppy type of shot. The ghost ten yards
Speaker 2: stays within ten yards, and one that flies about ten
Speaker 2: yards and rolls out.
Speaker 1: However, far so life hack for players to hit the
Speaker 1: golf ball with their ten yard wed shot. Easiest way
Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball higher, and easiest way to
Speaker 1: hit the golf ball lower. Correct, Just give me ten yards,
Speaker 1: but you give me so what's a good way that
Speaker 1: someone can train themselves to do that? Right?
Speaker 2: So usually fifty five fifty six degree wodge can accomplish this,
Speaker 2: especially in Ford, you get enough bounce, enough loft to
Speaker 2: do both. I like the ball back for low and ten,
Speaker 2: the ball up for high and ten, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be super high.
Speaker 1: It is to be super low else to you as
Speaker 1: the player, to be able to see the difference between
Speaker 1: what the trajectory looks like with the ball back in
Speaker 1: your stands Yep, the shaft's going to be leaning more forward, yep,
Speaker 1: right out of dress.
Speaker 2: And then so in general I like a small for
Speaker 2: small shots. I like small stands, small body, small swings right.
Speaker 2: So we're just small and we're hitting in ten ten
Speaker 2: yards right. And if you can hit that one hundred
Speaker 2: times in a row from the green that's ten yards
Speaker 2: off the green, one high, and one that rolls a
Speaker 2: little bit, you've got almost ninety percent of the scenarios
Speaker 2: on the course figured out. Consuming you get on the
Speaker 2: green and you get within ten to fifteen feet.
Speaker 1: So I think a good pack would be three ball
Speaker 1: positions yep, neutral ball position, middle of your stands, and
Speaker 1: then you can go that's under the shaft more forward,
Speaker 1: two balls more forward, three balls more forward, and then
Speaker 1: based off of a middle of the stans ball position.
Speaker 1: You get a one ball further back, two balls further back,
Speaker 1: three balls further back, getting very systematically and just and
Speaker 1: just basically say, okay, if I move the golf ball
Speaker 1: one ball further back in my stants, two balls, three balls, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see that golf ball going.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 1: This is new targets. Targets, this is distance just on
Speaker 1: the driving range. On the driving range, propecate, you don't
Speaker 1: even need to go to a short game green and
Speaker 1: just see the trajectory change. Yep. And I think if
Speaker 1: you could do that, then you could say on the
Speaker 1: golf course, okay, I've got this shot. I've got this shot.
Speaker 1: I need to hit the golf ball a little bit lower.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna move this one ball, two ball, three
Speaker 1: balls back in my stants, I've got to hit a
Speaker 1: little bit higher.
Speaker 2: Or how about this, you don't have this shot and
Speaker 2: I need to hit it over here somewhere to the right,
Speaker 2: or should have left, bump shot whatever right, and then
Speaker 2: maybe throwing an extra pitching witch. And now we get
Speaker 2: two options.
Speaker 1: What handicap level is your cutoff in short game for
Speaker 1: opening and closing the face.
Speaker 2: That is loaded right? In general, I always like it
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Open, okay, okay, just a little just.
Speaker 2: Like you know, one o'clock, just ten degrees, open it,
Speaker 2: then take your grip and then take your grip.
Speaker 1: Don't take your grip and then open it, because if
Speaker 1: you take your grip and open it, you're gonna come
Speaker 1: back to square.
Speaker 2: In general, I like it just a little bit open,
Speaker 2: and why I want to make sure the bounce doesn't
Speaker 2: get too high or too low. And I want to
Speaker 2: make sure the loft stays the same that you said
Speaker 2: at address, meaning some people open it and close it,
Speaker 2: some people close it, some people open open whatever. Try
Speaker 2: to keep it the same right, try to return the
Speaker 2: club to the same position you started with one from.
Speaker 2: And don't be don't be Nichelson. Be a strigger. Get
Speaker 2: it on the green, be efficient, and you can change
Speaker 2: trajectory with ball position to some degree, or.
Speaker 1: You can change trajectory by choosing a different wedge pub selection. Yep.
Speaker 2: So I like to dumb it down. Maybe that's not
Speaker 2: the best word for it. Just really simplify and be
Speaker 2: less dramatic or less exotic, because I.
Speaker 1: Do think most golfers are trying to be three Michelin
Speaker 1: Star chefs trying to make fancy, fancy food. They don't
Speaker 1: really know how to just make a basic cheeseburger, basic omelet,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to be They're trying to be an
Speaker 1: abstract painter as opposed to just painting by numbers, just
Speaker 1: drawing inside numbers, right, just draw inside the all the
Speaker 1: red goes into number ones, all blue. You can paint
Speaker 1: a picture by paint by numbers.
Speaker 2: The goal of the game, or the short game shot
Speaker 2: is to get up and to get down, right, That's it.
Speaker 2: I don't need height, I don't need spin up and down.
Speaker 2: Two percent is the up, fifty percent is the putt down.
Speaker 2: Just get it up and down. Doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: a lob over the bunker. If you don't have that
Speaker 2: shot or have practice that shot, put it out there
Speaker 2: and metrojector you give yourself fifteen feet and you might
Speaker 2: get lucky and make it right. You can made four
Speaker 2: from ten feet in your earlier test.
Speaker 1: Lastly, I mean I've said my you know, views on this,
Speaker 1: playing versus practicing for the average golfer, right for the
Speaker 1: ten to so for the golfer trying to break one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety and eighty for the first time advice
Speaker 1: on how much they should be practicing versus playing. Right.
Speaker 2: I think this is a big problem with my coaching
Speaker 2: and I'm going to change it. But we need to
Speaker 2: be playing more likely practice and playing as much as possible.
Speaker 2: It's a game.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 2: You go play tennis, you go play golf, right, you
Speaker 2: play catch?
Speaker 1: You're playing.
Speaker 2: That is the game, right, And I hate my tripod
Speaker 2: and a track man and a practice too. To me,
Speaker 2: no other sport does that as long as we do.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna change it.
Speaker 1: Well as always. Great info, and.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on man.
Speaker 1: You got it.
Speaker 2: Man, it's I owe just about the entire life and
Speaker 2: career to you.
Speaker 1: Well. I couldn't do what I do without your help
Speaker 1: and your dedication. So we're in the same boat. We're indispensable.
Speaker 1: We're like an old married couple. It's funny, great talking
Speaker 1: to you, all right, sir. Thank you for everyone listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you all so much. It really means a lot
Speaker 1: to me. And we're gonna keep trying to put out
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