WEBVTT - Chapter 5 – The Fire Comes

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Trim, and this is Saigon, the story

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<v Speaker 1>of my family and of the country that shaped us.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States will not stand by and allow any power,

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<v Speaker 2>however great, the April another time, or.

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<v Speaker 3>You would be a natural explosion as well on new.

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<v Speaker 4>Land, A bad eighty batlen Land, life of eighty Ball.

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<v Speaker 5>That can be no peace without justice, and that can

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<v Speaker 5>be no justice without peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter five. For a long time there was confusion over

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<v Speaker 1>who had died and who had surrendered at d envy

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<v Speaker 1>n Fo. Months later, after the French abdicated and Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>was split into a communist north and a supposedly democratic south,

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<v Speaker 1>the surviving prisoners were sent home. When Paul was not

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<v Speaker 1>among them, Some thought he could have been one of

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<v Speaker 1>the seventy who escaped into Lao, but eventually reports of

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<v Speaker 1>his death were accepted, and two years after the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of d Enbien Fu, a memorial service for Paul Devaux

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<v Speaker 1>was finally held in.

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<v Speaker 6>Saigon Benedictus Deus Benedictus nomad Sanctum Aus Benedictus Jesus Christus

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<v Speaker 6>Verus Deus se verus.

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<v Speaker 1>Omo for his widow Land and her parents. A full

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<v Speaker 1>Latin requiem mass was an alien experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't understand a word of it, did you, dear me?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing land No.

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<v Speaker 4>Beautiful of course, yeah, in its own European way.

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<v Speaker 7>Paul would have loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, well, coffee, what about catheline. I need a little

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<v Speaker 4>break before I hit back to work.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll wait for Joseph. But if you get a table,

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<v Speaker 7>we'll meet you there, will order?

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<v Speaker 8>Then?

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, husband, Yes, I'm coming, I'm coming Joseph.

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<v Speaker 8>Ah, there you are, Oh my godly.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph had flown in from America the day before and

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<v Speaker 1>had listened to the service from the back with the

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<v Speaker 1>general congregation.

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<v Speaker 8>What a fitting farewell, Yes, a full requiem mass.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it was very nice. He was a good man.

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<v Speaker 8>You're okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm fine, always happier when you're here. Let's walk this way.

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<v Speaker 7>My father's finding us a table at Katheline.

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<v Speaker 8>Ah, I didn't see too yet.

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<v Speaker 7>No, she put her foot down. She said she's not

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<v Speaker 7>interested in a Latin mass for a Frenchman she barely met. Really,

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<v Speaker 7>she's twenty. We all held strong views at twenty.

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<v Speaker 8>Is she a communist?

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<v Speaker 7>No? A nationalist, that's what she claims.

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<v Speaker 8>What started all this?

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<v Speaker 7>You me, well, your country, not you personally. When the

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<v Speaker 7>French gave up power, she was hoping a united Vietnam

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<v Speaker 7>would become self ruled through an elected leader. Instead, America

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<v Speaker 7>installed the Prime Minister who kept the South separate and

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<v Speaker 7>canceled the elections.

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<v Speaker 8>But at least Prime Minister DM is Vietnamese.

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<v Speaker 7>He's also Catholic in to Yette's size, that's just America

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<v Speaker 7>replacing one colonial power with another.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe I should talk to her.

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<v Speaker 7>If you think you can change her mind.

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<v Speaker 8>You can't, you know, Ln. I was hoping to keep

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<v Speaker 8>this for later, but I threw caution to the wind

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<v Speaker 8>this time and booked flights back to America for both

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<v Speaker 8>of you. No, don't just sigh. If you and two

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<v Speaker 8>yet could see what we have to offer, I know

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<v Speaker 8>you'd be happy there. We could. We could open a

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<v Speaker 8>branch of your father's business. He could visit too.

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<v Speaker 7>What about your wife?

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<v Speaker 8>You know we only stayed together for Gary, and now

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<v Speaker 8>he's all grown up, he's about to start college. It's

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<v Speaker 8>it's more or less over now.

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<v Speaker 3>And away.

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<v Speaker 2>Goes up.

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<v Speaker 6>Where have you been?

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<v Speaker 8>Coffees arrived? We should toast, Yeah, Paul was always toasting something.

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<v Speaker 9>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>To Connel.

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<v Speaker 8>Paul deverrel to pull Santa.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to ask him to join the company,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, coax him out of the army into something

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<v Speaker 4>more secure. I have to find someone to take the

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<v Speaker 4>reins when I'm no longer able to hold them.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh why not Land?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, no, actually I hadn't thought.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh no, no, my daughter isn't interested in business.

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<v Speaker 7>Excuse me, mother, I haven't said that. Oh I just

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<v Speaker 7>haven't thought about it.

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<v Speaker 8>I think you'd be terrific. You're great with people, you

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<v Speaker 8>have a real skill.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and business is mostly relationships.

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<v Speaker 4>To sell a commodity in this new regime, you need

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<v Speaker 4>a government license, and to get a license you need influence.

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<v Speaker 4>And to have influence you need either charm or money,

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<v Speaker 4>or both, which can involve some tiresome haggling.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh come on, father, you love the haggling.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we both do, if we're honest. Maybe, although

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<v Speaker 4>our workers are the real hagglers. They're much worse than

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<v Speaker 4>government officials.

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<v Speaker 10>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>They seem to hate us, even when we do so

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<v Speaker 4>much for them. Yeah, we create jobs, opportunities, pay their wages,

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<v Speaker 4>and yet all they do is complain about the hours

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<v Speaker 4>or conditions. Nothing's ever good enough.

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<v Speaker 7>Now it's not sounding so attractive.

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<v Speaker 4>No, on the contrary, you would probably wrap them around

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<v Speaker 4>your little finger.

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<v Speaker 7>I doubt it. I've haggled buying bananas, but I've never

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<v Speaker 7>really negotiated anything.

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<v Speaker 11>We'll come and.

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<v Speaker 9>See what it's like.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a meeting in half an hour.

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<v Speaker 12>Land, husband, Please don't twist her arm.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not twisting her arm with Pierre Montande. He owns

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<v Speaker 4>the Citron license for South Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 5>Now the French are no longer in power, he needs

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<v Speaker 5>a Vietnamese partner.

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<v Speaker 8>You should go Land. No, she shouldn't strike while the

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<v Speaker 8>iron's hot.

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<v Speaker 7>Can I just think about it first?

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<v Speaker 8>I was just saying, Monsieur Hugh, we could look at

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<v Speaker 8>opening an office of your company in America.

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<v Speaker 4>We could I have thought about expanding, and that's what

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<v Speaker 4>this meeting's about.

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<v Speaker 8>Just go see what you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let them pressure your daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, come on, just come and listen.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll get the check and escort Adam Hugh back to

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<v Speaker 8>the villa.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>You go, then this this could make a real difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Good good, good, Okay, I'll hear a taxi for us.

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<v Speaker 11>Go so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph paid for the coffees, Madame Hugh sat and watched

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter and husband stride to the edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>square and flag down a cyclone.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, come on inside, inside after you.

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<v Speaker 1>But before they could get in.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, boss, come on so here, Fleas.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait in a moment, it's me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you don't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm sorry letting you. I was a foreman on

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<v Speaker 4>your plantation before you.

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<v Speaker 11>This is me.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yes, yes, you were organizing the workers into a collective.

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<v Speaker 4>This meant Lund would have stopped production and cost us thousands.

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<v Speaker 11>Until you pay this fairly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, yes, good for you.

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<v Speaker 9>Come on, Lon, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Still watching from the table in the cafe, Madame Hugh frowned,

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<v Speaker 1>without knowing what was being said. It just didn't look right.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, you ready, Madam?

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<v Speaker 12>Here, what's going on over there where?

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph looked across.

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<v Speaker 12>What do you think, Joseph, do you know him?

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<v Speaker 1>Land was now sitting in the cyclo, but as her

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<v Speaker 1>father tried to join her. As the man struggled with

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<v Speaker 1>Messyr Hugh, Joseph noticed something was strapped to his chest.

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<v Speaker 12>He's got something.

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<v Speaker 1>A wire fell from under his shirt.

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<v Speaker 8>No, no, praydom.

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<v Speaker 7>I had a baby. Joseph Our child cried for you

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<v Speaker 7>the little boy who lost his wife. Hearing you talk,

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<v Speaker 7>oh my hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Hours later, Joseph took Madame you home when they reached

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<v Speaker 1>the villa. You're really told you yet what had happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and then waited in the garden room.

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<v Speaker 8>M How is she too yet?

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<v Speaker 10>She wants you to leave, mister Sherman.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, yes, of course I'll come back later.

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<v Speaker 10>That's okay, She says, you have brought this family sadness

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<v Speaker 10>too many times, and my mother would still be alive

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<v Speaker 10>if you hadn't insisted she go to that meeting.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't what.

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<v Speaker 10>You didn't? What are you going to rewrite history now,

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<v Speaker 10>mister Sherman.

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<v Speaker 8>I loved her too too, yet she.

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<v Speaker 13>Didn't want to be a capitalist. That was you killed her.

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<v Speaker 8>I booked a ticket to bring you back to America.

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<v Speaker 12>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 8>Just listen to me please for a second. Can you

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<v Speaker 8>please listen?

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<v Speaker 13>You can't just take me back to America. Who the

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<v Speaker 13>hell do you think you are?

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<v Speaker 8>I am your father too yet, and Vietnam is not

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<v Speaker 8>psych you know Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 13>All you do is appear every few years and write

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<v Speaker 13>about us like with some sort of curiosity. There's a

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<v Speaker 13>fire coming to this country and it's going to burn

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<v Speaker 13>out everything, all the corruption, all the exploitation, and I'm

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<v Speaker 13>going to be part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph could see that Land had been right. It was

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<v Speaker 1>hopeless trying to change to Yette's mind. She was beyond reach.

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<v Speaker 1>Land had been the love of his life and losing

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<v Speaker 1>to yet would double the blow. But when they met

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<v Speaker 1>again a few days later at Land's funeral, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be the last contact they'd have for many years. Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>flew back to America again and didn't return to Vietnam

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<v Speaker 1>until he was sent there by Associated Press in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Let on right or lay You've gotten to be?

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<v Speaker 6>John Glenna.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen sixties brought in a time of change, and

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<v Speaker 1>America started courting the wider world with a new president,

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<v Speaker 1>John F. Kennedy and a fresh outlook.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the word go bought from this time and late

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<v Speaker 2>to a friend and full alike that we You'll pay

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<v Speaker 2>any price, there, any burden, meet any hard gift, co

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<v Speaker 2>bought any brand up, Oh any foe? Who are You're?

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<v Speaker 2>The survival? Canne success of.

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<v Speaker 1>Limity in Vietnam. The forces fighting for liberty were Communists,

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<v Speaker 1>while the supposed democracy America supported was an unelected and

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<v Speaker 1>very unpopular government, a situation that attracted journalists from all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Although Premier Key has restored order in some sections of

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<v Speaker 2>his torn republic.

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<v Speaker 14>This is Miami, Howell and I am a few blocks

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<v Speaker 14>from the presidential palace.

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<v Speaker 2>In Psycho First demonstrations broke out one students, Buddhists and

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<v Speaker 2>other group's protests as acusing.

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<v Speaker 14>His own people is making his position more precarious by

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<v Speaker 14>the day.

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<v Speaker 7>Aigon remains a city of violence and unresk the administrations

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<v Speaker 7>in this former French colony.

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<v Speaker 14>French rule in Vietnam was hated for decades, but now

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<v Speaker 14>America is only one step away from taking on the

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<v Speaker 14>same role. Could history repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And was great?

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<v Speaker 1>Navy, Naomi Howell and Todd Shashka were a news team

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<v Speaker 1>working for British movie Tone Moments.

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<v Speaker 12>Would you want to Get It? But he gives him

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<v Speaker 12>an hour or so to get to the palace.

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<v Speaker 14>I've got an old friend to meet and we might

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<v Speaker 14>as well let the crowd LB cups in the passion

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<v Speaker 14>see what the palace about?

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<v Speaker 3>Midday Yeah, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Naomi hurried to a small cafe where an old friend

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<v Speaker 1>was waiting.

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<v Speaker 8>Joseph, Naomi House, Thanks, keeping busy.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, just having a break from covering the Buddhist demonstration.

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<v Speaker 8>What about you, Yeah, filing on the same thing for

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<v Speaker 8>Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 12>Do you think it'll make President DM change anything.

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<v Speaker 8>Nope, He'll probably just get his brother to arrest as

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<v Speaker 8>many poor suckers as he can go.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the late fifties, President DM's gangster like brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Nodan New had formed a secret special force, which was

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<v Speaker 1>now just adding.

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<v Speaker 12>To the chaos. What do you make of New?

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<v Speaker 8>He's dangerously autocratic and Washington doesn't like it.

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<v Speaker 12>It feels like something's about to break.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it could all go to hell very quickly. Ah,

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<v Speaker 8>here he is. I hope you don't mind. My son's

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<v Speaker 8>on R and R and I thought he could join

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<v Speaker 8>us absolutely. Gary here, Hey, yeah, yeah, take a seat, Naomi.

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<v Speaker 8>This is Lieutenant Gary Sherman.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>Naomi's out here from the UK.

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<v Speaker 15>Oh right, the movie tone girl.

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<v Speaker 12>Thanks, Joseph, Is that how you talk about me?

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<v Speaker 8>That's true, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 15>He also calls you an island of sanity in a

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<v Speaker 15>river of madness.

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<v Speaker 14>All right, I'll take that. So, have you been out

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<v Speaker 14>on patrol fighting the Viet cong fighting me.

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<v Speaker 15>No, I'm sorry, Naomi, but our president has made it

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<v Speaker 15>very clear. The only Americans here at the moment are

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<v Speaker 15>the military advisors to the South Vietnamese Army.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh, sixteen thousand of you.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, they need a lot of advice.

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<v Speaker 12>And where about weren't.

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<v Speaker 15>You East Mekong Delta? Usual thing looking for communist sympathizers

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<v Speaker 15>find any Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>Hell yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Everywhere?

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<v Speaker 15>Our platoon was attacked seven times, three dead, nine wounded.

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<v Speaker 15>We're not winning, I'll tell you that is.

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<v Speaker 14>Any of this on the record, No, God, no, could

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<v Speaker 14>it be. You'd be up for an interview, wouldn't you, Gary?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 8>Look, I'd need permission, which you face it, you'll never get.

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<v Speaker 12>Why not?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh, come on, Naomi, it is pretty unlikely.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, okay, okay, okay. Off the record. Then why do

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<v Speaker 14>you think we're not winning?

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<v Speaker 15>Because ninety percent of the country doesn't want us here

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<v Speaker 15>and this sort of democracy were given them looks terrible.

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<v Speaker 12>What if we sold it better?

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<v Speaker 15>I wish it were that simple, trust me. But yeah, Look,

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<v Speaker 15>don't get me wrong. I don't want to see the

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<v Speaker 15>commies win. They're just bastards. But the whole country's a

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<v Speaker 15>never ending surprise packet. You think you can read it,

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<v Speaker 15>and then you get a curveball.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact that.

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<v Speaker 15>Let me tell you about the last curveball. The final

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<v Speaker 15>day on patrol, we were clearing minds the French had

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<v Speaker 15>left behind, and some VCS took us by surprise, both flanks,

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<v Speaker 15>total ambush, took out our captain. We scattered and called

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<v Speaker 15>for a huie, and then a whole bunch more started

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<v Speaker 15>pouring out of the tunnels everywhere. Yeah, they've dug them

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<v Speaker 15>all over the place. And I was ducking and running

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<v Speaker 15>and this girl popped out of the ground in front

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<v Speaker 15>of me. Oh, black Viat Cong gear pants, top for

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<v Speaker 15>my pistol, but she already had hers aimed at my head.

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<v Speaker 11>And then.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it was so weird.

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<v Speaker 8>Did you take her down?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't. Neither of us could because she.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean we both.

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<v Speaker 3>We could both feel it.

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<v Speaker 8>We were like.

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<v Speaker 15>Looking at ourselves.

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<v Speaker 12>No, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Have you still got that photo of two yet? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 15>Who my half sister two yet? Dad had a daughter

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<v Speaker 15>here with a Viet girl before we met Mom.

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<v Speaker 8>Uh you slyile dull. There you go. She would have

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<v Speaker 8>been about nineteen then, I mean she might have changed.

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<v Speaker 3>No, she hasn't.

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<v Speaker 14>It was definitely her your half sisters Viet Cong and

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<v Speaker 14>you nearly killed each other.

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<v Speaker 12>Now, I've really wanted an interview.

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<v Speaker 9>Did you know she was VC?

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<v Speaker 7>She dad?

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<v Speaker 8>Not exactly, well, not for certain. But the last time

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<v Speaker 8>we spoke.

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<v Speaker 3>She she what what'd she say?

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<v Speaker 1>The last time Joseph spoke to his daughter too Yet

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<v Speaker 1>had been seven long years ago, on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>her mother Land's funeral procession in nineteen fifty six. Following tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>a single bamboo flautist had led the way as the

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<v Speaker 1>coffins of Land and her father were carried from the

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<v Speaker 1>villa to the family tomb. Joseph had waited on the

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<v Speaker 1>curb outside, and as everyone left the house, Madam Hugh

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<v Speaker 1>had ignored him.

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<v Speaker 10>But to yet you're not welcome, Joseph.

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<v Speaker 9>I loved her.

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<v Speaker 12>Too, Yet I don't care.

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<v Speaker 10>You caused all her unhappiness. You shouldn't even be here.

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<v Speaker 7>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm your father, I mean all.

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<v Speaker 12>Of you, not just you, all Americans.

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<v Speaker 13>What are you even doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not your country.

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<v Speaker 12>Just go home?

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<v Speaker 8>No, I will, I am, But come with me, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>come with You're half American too, Yet you know I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not Oh, Okay, okay, well come back, you come back

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<v Speaker 8>and see? Why not just try it? Yeah? Let me

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<v Speaker 8>let me look look after you come back.

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<v Speaker 13>And why do Americans think everyone wants to be American?

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<v Speaker 10>You're all so self censored.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't look at you as a father.

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<v Speaker 8>But that can change. People can change too. Yet, let

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<v Speaker 8>me try. I can try harder, it won't.

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<v Speaker 12>There's the man I look at as a father.

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<v Speaker 3>Who come.

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<v Speaker 1>She led him to the back of the procession, where

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<v Speaker 1>a thin bearded man walked alone. Kim Land's brother to

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<v Speaker 1>Yette's uncle. He and Joseph had one spot together to

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<v Speaker 1>defeat the Japanese, and he was now one of Hoji

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<v Speaker 1>Minh's trusted deputies.

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<v Speaker 9>How did you even.

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<v Speaker 8>You wanted terrorists? If I call the police right now, would.

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<v Speaker 16>You, though, Joseph, is that what you want to do?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I know you.

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<v Speaker 16>Could you have betrayed friends before?

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<v Speaker 8>Well?

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<v Speaker 16>Did Paul de Vroo ever discover how you betrayed him?

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<v Speaker 9>With my sister?

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<v Speaker 16>It's a complicated Did you ever have the courage to

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<v Speaker 16>face that conversation?

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<v Speaker 8>Betraying me?

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<v Speaker 16>However, we mean betraying your daughter as well? Can you

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<v Speaker 16>do that? I think not even Americans have a grain

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<v Speaker 16>of loyalty to something to you. Please drive us say

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<v Speaker 16>nothing no more, let us bury our beautiful lane.

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<v Speaker 4>And then do it.

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<v Speaker 16>It's coming with me, Come on, do it.

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<v Speaker 9>Good Bye, Joseph.

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<v Speaker 8>That was seven years ago now, but I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 8>even then, how could too yet have possibly got a

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<v Speaker 8>message to her uncle about her mother?

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<v Speaker 15>She was already in the Viet Con Almost certainly my

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<v Speaker 15>sister's the enemy.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, well, I suppose so politically. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, personally, I think it says a lot that

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<v Speaker 8>neither of you could shoot the other. That is such

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<v Speaker 8>a relief. And if you ever sat down together, you

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<v Speaker 8>might even find you like each other. Not everyone's the enemy.

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<v Speaker 14>Say that again. I've got no idea who the enemy is.

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<v Speaker 14>I came out here thinking it was communism. But then

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<v Speaker 14>you're backing a president who's locking up Buddhists and burning

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<v Speaker 14>their temples.

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<v Speaker 12>Do you really want to be on his side? I'm confused?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too, now know me? Hi Todd, Oh, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>we gotta go.

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<v Speaker 11>Those demonstrators aren't going to the palace. They're stopping at

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<v Speaker 11>Fandine from Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 3>Why.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know, but something's happening gotta get there.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, Okay, well I suppose a pr to cover it too.

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<v Speaker 12>Let's go then you're coming, Gary, Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ahead.

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<v Speaker 15>Hey, Nailmi, do you need a hand with your backpack?

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<v Speaker 12>Thanks?

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<v Speaker 14>Someone brought you up.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, she was a good mom and he wasn't too

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<v Speaker 15>bad either.

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<v Speaker 8>You all right, Joseph, Yeah, you go ahead, I'll catch up.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, what's happening, Todd? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 14>Any idea?

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<v Speaker 11>All I heard was they thought if they went to

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<v Speaker 11>the Palace they'd just get bashed up by news special forces,

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<v Speaker 11>so they've come here instead. I think you'll buy them

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<v Speaker 11>time to protest properly.

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<v Speaker 15>And what are they gonna do? Just sit here and

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<v Speaker 15>chat it?

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<v Speaker 11>Think they've got something planned?

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, well let's get an intro. Where's a good spot here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good.

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<v Speaker 11>I've got the intersection behind you.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, made it. What's happening?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we're not sure to roll?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, we shall get something to one.

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<v Speaker 14>This is Naomi Howell for Movie Tone moments covering the

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<v Speaker 14>demonstrations today on fanding Fun Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 12>Hold On, hold On.

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<v Speaker 14>A car has just stopped in the middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 14>One of the monks is sitting on a cushion and

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<v Speaker 14>two other monks.

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<v Speaker 12>What are they pouring on him?

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<v Speaker 8>What the hell is this about?

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<v Speaker 12>He's holding matches, He's he's just lit.

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<v Speaker 1>The Buddhist monk had dropped the match in his lap

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<v Speaker 1>and was engulfed in flames.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, what.

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<v Speaker 12>Are you getting this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yet?

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<v Speaker 14>He's not moving, he's showing. He's showing, no pain, no screaming, nothing.

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<v Speaker 14>No one's trying to save him.

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<v Speaker 12>He's he's he's burning to death.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh God, there's.

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<v Speaker 13>A fire coming to this country and it's going to

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<v Speaker 13>bring out everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Sherman just stared too. Yet had been right. A

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<v Speaker 1>great fire had come to Vietnam. Within six months, Presidents

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<v Speaker 1>DM and Kennedy would both be dead, and America's new President,

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<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Johnson wasn't going to settle for sending advisors. The

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<v Speaker 1>American war in Vietnam would soon overwhelm the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Saigon is a production of Thoroughbred Studios, Goldhog Productions, and

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<v Speaker 5>on the best selling novel Cigon by Anthony Gray. It

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<v Speaker 5>is created for audio by Greg Hadrick and Jeremy Fox.

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