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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of Clay and Buck kicksaw right now. Everybody

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Speaker 2: appreciate you being with us much to discuss Trump v.

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Speaker 2: Haley in South Carolina tomorrow, So a showdown in the

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Speaker 2: low country down in South Carolina. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: interesting to see what the final tally is. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone is really particularly questioning what the outcome will

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Speaker 2: be at this stage, unless all of a sudden, polls

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Speaker 2: could be off by thirty points or so. But we'll

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Speaker 2: see what those numbers are. We'll break that all down

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Speaker 2: for you on Monday. One thing, you know, I've just

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Speaker 2: said this, and the residents of South Carolina who do

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Speaker 2: us the honor of listening into this show, tend to

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Speaker 2: note that I speak with a particular fondness of that state.

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Speaker 2: Every time I'm there, I think to myself, I could

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Speaker 2: live here. I like this place. I love this place,

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Speaker 2: I love these people like I'm very big South Carolina booster.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize, Clay until some of the analysis about

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Speaker 2: the election tomorrow, that ten percent of South Carolina voters

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Speaker 2: weren't even there in the last election cycle. South Carolina

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Speaker 2: has boomed three hundred and seventy two thousand new residents

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Speaker 2: old enough to vote since twenty I'm sorry, since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: That's the numbers.

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Speaker 2: We're going back a little longer than one election cycle,

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Speaker 2: but since twenty sixteen, a ten percent increase in eight years.

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Speaker 3: And it's the single biggest state.

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Speaker 2: It beat out my beloved Florida and my beloved Texas

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Speaker 2: to be the.

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Speaker 3: Fastest growing state in the country last year. Did you

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Speaker 3: know that. I didn't know it was number one.

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Speaker 1: I read it, actually, I think it was a Times

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Speaker 1: article talking about how many people are not familiar with

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley because they weren't there when she was governor.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, South Carolina's population is not huge, so it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take a monster influx to be a percentage swing.

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Speaker 1: But here's what I would say that you're hitting on

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Speaker 1: that I am leave aside. Obviously, we want Trump to

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Speaker 1: beat Biden, assuming that's the race. But when you get

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Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty of the actual election results, buck,

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Speaker 1: I am super interested to see what the COVID impact

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Speaker 1: has been from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, because,

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Speaker 1: let me explain what I mean. Where I live in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: we have seen tons of people come in. I know

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Speaker 1: where you are in Florida. Tons of people have relocated Texas,

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Speaker 1: where we have a monster audience. I think we're number

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Speaker 1: one in Austin, thanks Houston and San Antonio, or at

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Speaker 1: least we have been a different months. So we're not

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Speaker 1: on in Dallas, by the way, So if you go

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Speaker 1: to Dallas radio station and you want to dominate, you

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Speaker 1: should put this show on.

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Speaker 3: Just FYI, but the But.

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Speaker 1: When you look at those numbers, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: fears of people who love the states that they live in,

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Speaker 1: the red states that they live in, has been that

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Speaker 1: the influx of new voters is going to change the

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Speaker 1: overall culture and culture and carearter of those states, and

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Speaker 1: that basically blue state voters are going to bring blue

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Speaker 1: state politics. I actually believe that it's going to make

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Speaker 1: red redder and I think you're going to start to

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Speaker 1: see some of those results in twenty twenty four for

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Speaker 1: how the internal migration in the United States, particularly associated

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Speaker 1: to COVID but also remote working, has altered the dynamics

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Speaker 1: of state by state results. I think we're going to

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Speaker 1: see we kind of got a hint on that that's

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Speaker 1: already happened in Florida. Yeah, Florida twent twenty two, Ronde

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Speaker 1: Santis is twenty point win. I mean, there's no question

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Speaker 1: the data shows Florida is a lot redder than it was.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is the migration. Part of it

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Speaker 1: is just good governance from Ronda Santis within the state.

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Speaker 1: But they switched party affiliation in Florida from before COVID

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Speaker 1: until present day, from a deficit of plus two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand Democrats over Republicans to a half a

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Speaker 1: million Republican registered voter and counting it might even be

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Speaker 1: a little higher than that. Yeah, I think it's even

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand swing from what the Democrats

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Speaker 2: So it's happened what you're talking about in Florida. It's that's,

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Speaker 2: they run the scoreboard up. Texas has gotten the same thing,

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Speaker 2: although unfortunately, I love, we love Austin, but a lot

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Speaker 2: But I think statewide, Texas has been the recipient of

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Speaker 2: deep red. So that doesn't really feel like it's going

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Speaker 2: to change all that much, but it might become in

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Speaker 3: And I mean look at it already. Is the numbers.

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Speaker 2: When you're talking about increasing your population by ten percent, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: In terms of congressional seats.

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Speaker 2: And so anyway, South Carolina has done a great job

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Speaker 2: if they I've said this. I told Governor McMaster this

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Speaker 2: when I saw him a while back, said, sir, I

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Speaker 2: love your state. If you guys didn't have a six

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Speaker 2: percent income tax, you'd be cleaning the clocks of a

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Speaker 3: But it's just, you know, Tennessee's a.

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Speaker 2: Real nice place too, and zero percent state income taxes,

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Speaker 2: you know, plus you get all that country music. It's

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Speaker 2: very compelling, I said, and I will continue to reiterate

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Speaker 2: it twenty years from now. I remember the analogy I

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Speaker 2: think I made.

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Speaker 1: I went out. I bet you've been there. It's Condato,

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Speaker 1: I believe, right, or is at Coronado. I get them

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Speaker 1: both mixed up. One of them is Nado in San Diego.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Candado, which is down in San Juan, which

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Speaker 1: is a beautiful area of Puerto Rico, Coronado which is

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Speaker 1: in San Diego. Anybody who's ever been out there, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful places in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Just absolutely exquisite. And there are lots of middle class

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Speaker 1: in the forties, fifties and sixties when you could move

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Speaker 1: to San Diego, be a teacher, be a firefighter, and

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Speaker 1: live that lifestyle on that exquisitely beautiful place at a

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Speaker 1: normal person salary and a lot of people I always

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Speaker 1: think this will of the most fascinating debates you can have.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: Fifty years from now, is there a place in the

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Speaker 1: United States where you'll look around and say, boy, I

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Speaker 1: wish I had moved my family to this place. It

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Speaker 1: would have been incredible. The cost of living was still

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Speaker 1: somewhat affordable. It was way better. I'm telling you that

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Speaker 1: many parts of Texas, Tennessee, and Florida over the no

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Speaker 1: state income tax. Twenty years from now, forty years from now,

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the California area, and you're getting increasingly frustrated

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Speaker 3: You didn't move twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: So I think that I think a lot of that

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Speaker 2: is going to play out for sure. Eventually, I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna have to move back to New York in fifteen

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Speaker 2: how my novel, The Buck Sexton Story is going to go.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, New York's got to learn some

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Speaker 2: painful lessons. Now back to South Carolin.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a new Rudy, except hopefully, hopefully not

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Speaker 1: have the same ending. So I don't want you bank,

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Speaker 1: I don't want your bankrupted in in courts all over

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Speaker 1: the country to have the end of your story. But yes,

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Speaker 1: you need the Rudy that needs to be a new

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Speaker 1: Rudy in New York City. There needs to be a

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Speaker 1: new sheriff in town, so to speak. Uh, banking of

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. We're gonna do this one at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: I just went there's some breaking news on the Fannie

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Speaker 2: Want to talk about Clay Is. So far, Clay is

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Speaker 2: the Trump legal team on this one. I think if

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Speaker 2: we could get Clay to cross examine Fani on the

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Speaker 2: stand himself, he would do it in a heartbeat because.

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Speaker 3: She's yeah, because she's she's in television.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Buck, if you got me on the

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Speaker 1: that would be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Her initial testimony was some of the most engaging, entertaining

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Speaker 2: reality TV I have seen very It was it was

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Speaker 2: impossible to look away. So we're gonna we're gonna dive

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Speaker 2: little more here and stay on the South Carolina GOP primary.

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Speaker 2: Just look at some of these dynamics. I think everyone

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Speaker 2: understands Trump is gonna win. But what does it mean

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Speaker 2: What are the numbers and what does it say about

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. As we've been discussing the migration that's been

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Speaker 2: to take calls from our some South Carolina listeners. You

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Speaker 2: have a particular opinion on this one eight two two

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Speaker 2: two eight A two Nicky Haley Clay, this is cut eleven.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley is saying straight up, if you guys elect Trump,

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Speaker 2: She's kind of standing up and saying that she's standing.

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Speaker 2: Athwart Magah saying, if you guys elect Trump, He's not

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Speaker 3: This is cut eleven. Listen to it.

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Speaker 4: If you want to change in our country, which I

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Speaker 4: think the entire country wants a change, we won't get

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Speaker 4: a change if we don't win an election. Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: will not win the general election. You can you could

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Speaker 4: have him win any primary you want. He will not

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Speaker 4: win a general election. We will have a female president

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Speaker 4: of the United States. It will either be me or

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Speaker 4: it will be Kamala Harris. But if Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: the nominee, you can mark my words, he will not

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Speaker 4: win a general election. And what I say to everybody is,

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Speaker 4: don't complain about what happens in a general election. If

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Speaker 4: you don't really think about that. In this primary, it

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Speaker 4: is literally impossible that we will win an election. If

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is the nominee.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's can we I want to pull

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Speaker 2: want to dive into the much bigger thing. I agree

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Speaker 2: it's a Democrat, it's going to eventually be President Harris.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I do not think Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: can finish out four years, nor does he want to.

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Speaker 2: But I do think he wants to run and then

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Speaker 2: hand over to Kamala. So I agree with her analysis

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Speaker 2: on that bit of it, or that sort of piece

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Speaker 2: of the overall, but the rest of the pie, so

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Speaker 2: to speak, Clay, she's throwing the kitchen sink at Trump

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Speaker 2: and my and Maga world and the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I think she's ending her political career. And I don't

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Speaker 1: say that lightly. She's fifty two years old. If the

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Speaker 1: only way she maintains her political career now, based on

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Speaker 1: everything that she has said, is if Trump loses, because

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Speaker 1: wag her finger and say, see, I told you Trump

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Speaker 1: was going to lose.

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Speaker 3: You should have picked me. We would have won. Now

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Speaker 3: you get a chance to pick me and I'll win.

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Speaker 1: Right, She's painted herself into a corner where she has

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, good afternoon. Good to talk to you. Guys.

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Speaker 2: We have so much we want to go over to you,

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Speaker 3: Would you consider that, Tulsi?

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Speaker 5: I would Thanks for sharing that with me. By the way,

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Speaker 1: So all see, appreciate you coming on. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Tulsi. Last time I saw you, we talked a bit.

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Speaker 5: at least people aren't living in tents, they have a

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Speaker 5: hard roof over their heads. But the fact that it's

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Speaker 5: actually been several months August of last year was when

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Speaker 5: this fire occurred. There is so much more that could

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Speaker 5: have been done more quickly to help them, rather than

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Speaker 5: leaving them in the way that they are still stranded

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Speaker 5: so many months later. Pete Boudajeedge was just out there

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Speaker 5: in Hawaii this past week, and so he was asked

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Speaker 5: a lot of questions by people locally about what they're

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Speaker 5: doing within the Department of Transportation to help alleviate some

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Speaker 5: of the situations they're facing on that side of the island.

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Speaker 4: Unmui.

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Speaker 5: But much like we saw with Biden visiting East Palestine,

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Speaker 5: Ohio more than a year after their disaster with the

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Speaker 5: chemical spill that they felt in the aftershocks and aftermath,

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Speaker 5: they are still suffering. You know, I just my heart

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Speaker 5: goes out to them because they are not getting anywhere

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Speaker 5: near the care and attention and advocacy and frankly emotion

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Speaker 5: that we're hearing from the Biden administration about the war

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Speaker 5: in Ukraine. And that was one of the first things.

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Speaker 5: And I don't remember if I told you Buck when

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Speaker 5: I saw you, but three days after the fire, when

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Speaker 5: I was there on Maui, that was some of the

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Speaker 5: first things that the residents there told me was, Hey,

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Speaker 5: I wonder if we changed our name to Ukraine or Kiev,

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Speaker 5: then maybe somebody would pay attention to us.

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Speaker 3: TULSEI, you and I have.

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Speaker 1: I think we're around the same age, and we have

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Speaker 1: a similar political path where you were obviously a Democrat congresswoman.

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Speaker 1: I voted Democrat and past elections. I've talked about this,

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Speaker 1: and one reason I'm super optimistic is I do think

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Speaker 1: there are enough open minded people in America to recognize

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Speaker 1: these awful choices that the Democrats are making.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: When you travel the country. You got a book, I

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Speaker 1: know coming out in April. Do you meet a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who tell you that they've had the same

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Speaker 1: political evolution as you have? Because I do meet a

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Speaker 1: lot of people when I go around the country. Buck's different,

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Speaker 1: you know, at fifteen, he knew, he knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: he thought, and he stayed consistent growing up in New

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Speaker 1: York City. You know, he's truly a unicorn in some sense.

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Speaker 1: But you and I are a little bit more similar

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Speaker 1: in our political paths. I'm curious how much positive feedback

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Speaker 1: and also people telling you.

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Speaker 3: That they have followed you.

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Speaker 1: I think Elon Musk is a good example maybe of

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Speaker 1: this as well. How many people do you meet who

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Speaker 1: maybe have had the same political evolution as the two

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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because it

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Speaker 5: is almost every day, Clay. It's it's whether it's people

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Speaker 5: I'm meeting in person. I just got off a plane

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Speaker 5: and met someone in the airport as I was waiting

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Speaker 5: for my luggage. People sending me notes online or dms

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Speaker 5: on social media. People who feel more emboldened to know

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Speaker 5: that they are not alone in the way that they feel,

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Speaker 5: and that you know, in my case, I'm using whatever

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Speaker 5: platform I have to bring voice to these concerns and

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Speaker 5: frustrations that a lot of them feel and have been

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Speaker 5: feeling for quite some time. Some people, maybe for generational

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Speaker 5: or family legacy reasons, haven't taken that step yet to

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Speaker 5: leave the Democratic Party. But in their hearts, they can't

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Speaker 5: vote for Joe Biden. They can't vote for the people

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Speaker 5: who are causing such harm to our country in so

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Speaker 5: many respects. You know, I talk to parents who aren't

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Speaker 5: politically involved, but they are feeling the hurt of you know, Hey,

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Speaker 5: I've got an eight year old little girl who's you know,

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Speaker 5: wants to compete in gymnastics. Am I going to have

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Speaker 5: to worry about her competing against the boy? Obviously the

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Speaker 5: female athletes who are swimmers. I have friends who are

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Speaker 5: surfers at the highest levels who are afraid to speak

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Speaker 5: out about the fact that the World Surfly League has

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Speaker 5: said that biological men can compete against them in the

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Speaker 5: world championship contests, and what does that mean for their

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Speaker 5: livelihood and their future. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 5: who have been silent, who have been politically disengaged, who

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Speaker 5: are now waking up. And that's where our that's where

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Speaker 5: I find hope and opportunity in this election, especially given

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Speaker 5: all that at stake, to really encourage people, if nothing else,

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Speaker 5: make sure you get out and cast your informed vote

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Speaker 5: to stop this insanity.

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Speaker 3: This is we're here.

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Speaker 2: We get an email from one of our VIPs. Mark, gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: there's evidence that Trump may be giving serious consideration to

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Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard for VP.

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Speaker 3: So this is an ongoing.

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Speaker 2: Conversation among our listeners on five hundred stations. So Telsey,

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Speaker 2: appreciate you being here with us. We love to av

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Speaker 2: you come back and talk more about all these issues

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Speaker 2: and also about this twenty twenty four election cycle and

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Speaker 2: when's the book coming out.

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Speaker 5: The book comes out April thirtieth. We are encouraging folks

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Speaker 2: Telsea Gabbart, everybody, Tulsi, thanks again.

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Speaker 1: What y four a weekly podcast from Clay and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay in Buck Lines open on this Friday,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two eight A two South Carolina

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Speaker 2: GP primary is tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: You know, one way to really.

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Speaker 2: Get the whole country fired up would be to say,

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Speaker 2: on a buy I guess by the weight, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of what we're going to put this, but on a

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Speaker 2: per capita basis, which city, when it comes to food,

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Speaker 2: punches the most above its weight? Meaning obviously Chicago, La

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Speaker 2: New York have the most Michelin starred restaurants, the most variety,

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Speaker 2: the most. But if you're going to adjusted for population size,

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Speaker 2: I think Charleston is probably a top five.

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Speaker 1: Foods so I think Charleston would definitely be I think immediately,

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Speaker 1: I think Charleston and New Orleans are both in that

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Speaker 1: top five list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Austin probably goes on that list for me too,

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Speaker 2: and then I'd have to start thinking pretty hard. Miami

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Speaker 2: is not where it should be on that list. We

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Speaker 2: need a little help in the in the food department

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Speaker 2: down here.

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Speaker 3: Miami.

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Speaker 2: Latin food, as you have experienced, vich amazing, but when

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Speaker 2: you get out of what it does, well, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Really where it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: So DC actually has We were literally saying it exact

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Speaker 1: same time.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a good you just had a mind meld. DC.

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Speaker 2: We don't like to say it because it is a

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Speaker 2: communist enclave, but for a city of roughly half a

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Speaker 2: million people, has really excellent food for first love anyway,

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Speaker 2: So we're thinking of South Carolina. Obviously it's lunchtime for

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Speaker 2: us because we're getting hungry and talking about food. But

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Speaker 2: we got a big story to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: as well, So you can call us about South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: There's this down in Georgia, close neighbor of South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: You have.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read you to the Daily Mail headline and

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Speaker 2: then I'm gonna let Clay Clay really really enjoy it,

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Speaker 2: really love this story. Nathan Wade visited DA Fannie Willis's

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Speaker 2: Georgia neighborhood at least thirty five times and stayed overnight

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Speaker 2: before she hired him as special prosecutor.

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Speaker 3: Cell Phone data shows this.

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Speaker 2: Is according to court records that have just been filed.

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Speaker 2: So this is, you know, real presented of the court stuff.

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Speaker 2: This is I can tell you from a clay from

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Speaker 2: a basics law enforcement one oh one.

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Speaker 3: Perspective, and this used to happen.

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Speaker 2: We're doing counter terrorism investigations the NYPD. People just don't

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Speaker 2: think about how their cell phone. There are two things

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Speaker 2: that everyone and I'm not giving her any secrets. If

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Speaker 2: you watch any CSI, you already know this right. Things

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Speaker 2: that every person leaves behind pretty much everywhere they are

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Speaker 2: your cell signal, your DNA.

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Speaker 3: You are shedding.

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Speaker 2: DNA in one form or another unless you know you're

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Speaker 2: wearing like a hazmat suit and your cell phone if

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Speaker 2: it's on, is pinging and leaving a signature for you.

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Speaker 2: What is one of the easiest ways to see if

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Speaker 2: someone's lying about where they were, what they're doing. Forget

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Speaker 2: about the DNA thing for a second. All you do

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Speaker 2: is pull their cell records Fani Willis says Clay, they

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Speaker 2: didn't have a relationship before she hired him. I think

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Speaker 2: the cell phone records could be a problem for her.

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Speaker 2: Now she and Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 1: Big picture, they're going to get criminally charged because I

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Speaker 1: think now they have clearly committed perjury. I think they're

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Speaker 1: going to get disbarred, and they may both end up facing.

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Speaker 3: Severe criminal charges. Wait, hold on, you think criminal.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on getting taken off the trial, which

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Speaker 2: I you skip back home. But I assume that that's

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Speaker 2: a given. Yes, so they're going to take it off

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Speaker 2: the trial, sanctions, professional sanctions. I could see maybe she

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Speaker 2: even I could see her getting fired from her DA

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Speaker 2: job over this criminal charge.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be criminal changes. I think there will

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Speaker 1: because I watched that testimony. I want to hit you

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Speaker 1: with a couple of stats here. According to the cell

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Speaker 1: phone data, Nathan Wade made at least thirty five visits

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Speaker 1: to Fanny Willis's condo before they said the relationship started.

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Speaker 1: Now you can get into a definition of what is

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Speaker 1: a relationship right, which is going to be their defense.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen to this buck.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand telephone calls, twelve thousand texts, two thousand telephone calls.

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis testified under oath that they would talk maybe

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Speaker 1: once a week on the phone. I don't remember her

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Speaker 1: talking about text messages, but two thousand telephone calls in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Think about that, twelve thousand texts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've texted my wife twelve times

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Speaker 2: what we got since we met and since we got married,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure I've called my wife two

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Speaker 1: thousand times in the last three or four years. I

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Speaker 1: would be stunned if I mean that, that's an average

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Speaker 1: buck of four times a day.

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Speaker 2: Laura strikes me as more of a text me, don't

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Speaker 2: voice me person?

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Speaker 3: Am I right? She doesn't even answer the phone when

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Speaker 3: I call.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here's a couple of uh here's by the way, not

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Speaker 1: just me, Lara, like I, her kids will immediately. They

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Speaker 1: just call I text or answer almost all day long.

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Speaker 1: After you have do you have the do you have

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Speaker 1: the uh? Please for a faster response?

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Speaker 3: Text? Don't leave a voicemail voicemail on your phone.

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Speaker 1: I've come a frond I get because I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what when people leave me voicemails. I'm like, oh, now

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Speaker 1: I gotta go listen to this. You could have sent

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Speaker 1: me a three you know line text. Here's something else buck.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Megan Kelly uh shared this, but this is

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Speaker 1: from Phil Holloway. Specific detail November tw twenty ninth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, mister Wade's phone was pinging on the East

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Speaker 1: Cobb Towers near his residence following a call from miss

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Speaker 1: Willis at eleven thirty two pm. Uh, he left, drove

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Speaker 1: to her house and then stayed from twelve forty three

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Speaker 1: till four fifty five am. So your arguments of hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe we did talk more than I thought, but it

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Speaker 1: was just worker related. Let me ask anybody out there,

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Speaker 1: unless you work overnight shifts, have you ever been to

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Speaker 1: a platonic friend's house at twelve forty three am and

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Speaker 1: left at four fifty five am?

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Speaker 3: Is there anyone out there who is married that.

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Speaker 1: If your significant other you found out went to someone

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Speaker 1: else's house from twelve forty three am to four fifty

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Speaker 1: five am. I mean, this only makes you feel like

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Speaker 1: business explanation for that, that's totally that's totally just a friendship.

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Speaker 1: If you're Tony soprano, and there's a body you got

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Speaker 1: to move, you know that. Short of that, I don't

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Speaker 1: really see how you're doing business from midnight to four am?

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Speaker 3: And why?

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Speaker 1: And people say, okay, why is this significant? All of

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Speaker 1: this happened before she hired Nathan Wade. She claimed that

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Speaker 1: they had no relationship other than a professional relationship before

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Speaker 1: she hired Nathan Wade under oath. This is now filed

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Speaker 1: in court, and it is pretty clear evidence that they

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Speaker 1: had something more going on buck than just a platonic,

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Speaker 1: occasional friendship.

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Speaker 3: She said they just talked maybe once a week.

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Speaker 2: So we know she's she's lying. Okay, we all know

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Speaker 2: now I'm dead to rights. Yeah now now it's beyond

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Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt if there ever really was a reasonable

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Speaker 2: doubt about this.

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Speaker 3: But she's lying.

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Speaker 2: My question though, And maybe it's because you know, Carrie

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Speaker 2: and I are watching The Wire together. Yeah, I had

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Speaker 2: watched before. We are going back and forth now between

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Speaker 2: season three of The Crown and season one of The Wire.

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Speaker 2: This is our our showy watch is the couple very

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Speaker 2: different shows? Yes, yes, you're doing in very different worlds.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who has seen The Wire remembers there was I

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Speaker 2: think as a city councilman, right politician, who's caught doing corrupt,

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Speaker 2: illegal stuff, and he basically just gets up, gives a

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Speaker 2: speech and says, I've done a lot for the people

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Speaker 2: of Baltimore. This is racist, you know the charges and like,

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Speaker 2: even though I did this, you can't convict me and

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Speaker 2: it works.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Fannie Willis is this is because I'm

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Speaker 2: a black woman that I'm being targeted in this way.

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Speaker 2: Does that carry enough weight that she's able to evade

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Speaker 2: any real accountability or do you think that the scrutiny

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Speaker 2: is too high and that that move isn't gonna isn't

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Speaker 2: gonna make it this time?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that move works in the wire, which

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Speaker 1: is I mean, by the way, just kind of an

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Speaker 1: accurate representation sometimes of what goes on in inner city

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Speaker 1: politics and inner city life in jail. The problem for

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis is that might work in Fulton County, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna work in Georgia proper. And that's because basically

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Speaker 1: she's in a blue city in a red state. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know they've got double senators that are

742
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Speaker 1: Democrats because we all screwed that up.

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Speaker 3: And but you've got.

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Speaker 1: Brian Camp who won by seven and a half or

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Speaker 1: eight points. You've got a Republican legislator legislature that is

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Speaker 1: going to I think, come after her. So no, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to work. I think this might

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Speaker 1: work in New York City because you have blue on blue,

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Speaker 1: so you got the protection of the state government layered

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Speaker 1: on the protection of the city government.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't have that luxury in the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: The judge, if he's worth his salt at all with

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Speaker 1: this filing, should go to her behind the scenes. This

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Speaker 1: is what I would suggest and say, I'm gonna have

755
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Speaker 1: to issue a ruling knocking you off this case. You

756
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Speaker 1: should resign as the DA now and just take this

757
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Speaker 1: out of the legal process and make this a you

758
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: decision that might provide some protection. Nathan Wade is done.

759
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to find a new DA. If I

760
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Speaker 1: am Brian Kemp, Governor of Georgia or Brian Kemp's advisors,

761
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Speaker 1: then I think you have to bring.

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Speaker 3: Criminal charges against Fanny Willis.

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Speaker 1: Now, because again, Buck, this is why people don't get

764
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Speaker 1: on the witness stand, and you talked about the arrogance

765
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Speaker 1: and the condescension with which Fanny Willis addressed everybody. So

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Speaker 1: she let her pride, She let her pride overrule her

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Speaker 1: intellect from a legal perspective, because now she is under

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Speaker 1: oath telling all sorts of lies which can be refuted.

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Speaker 1: And some of this stuff you're going to get into

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Speaker 1: a Bill Clinton definition. She's going to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the definition of a relationship?

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Speaker 3: But when you.

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Speaker 1: Have this many text messages and when you have this

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Speaker 1: many phone calls, she directly contravened that in her testimony.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible for somebody who's reasonable to say, Hey.

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Speaker 3: If you said to me, how often do.

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Speaker 1: You and Clay talk on the phone in a year,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know, we talked, but

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Speaker 1: twenty eight times is a guest, forty two whatever, you

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Speaker 1: might say, Okay, that makes sense. And then if the

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Speaker 1: data came out and it was like fifty one or

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Speaker 1: twenty three, you'd be like, yeah, that's somewhat reasonable. If

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Speaker 1: the data comes out that we talked twelve thousand times

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Speaker 1: and I said we talked forty five or fifty times,

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Speaker 1: there isn't a way to claim that you were being

786
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Speaker 1: honest on the witness stand. And that is where we

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Speaker 1: are just based on simple questions about contact and text messages.

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Speaker 1: And Buck, here's a question for you as we go

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Speaker 1: to break, think about did the attorney's questioning her already have.

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Speaker 3: All this cell phone data?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and know that they were setting her up for

792
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Speaker 1: huge perjury traps.

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Speaker 2: So sorry, I shouldn't have jumped in here, but this

794
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Speaker 2: is this is what law law is. What I said,

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Speaker 2: look for the lives. What law enforcement does. They sit

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Speaker 2: down and they say they'll ask you but something completely

797
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Speaker 2: unrelated to the case at hand. But hey, it's effectively

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Speaker 2: the where where you know?

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Speaker 3: Were you?

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Speaker 2: We want to clear you from this other thing that

801
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Speaker 2: you have nothing to do with. So you know, were

802
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Speaker 2: you in Queen's or the Bronx last night? You lie

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Speaker 2: to them, they know there's a problem and then they

804
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Speaker 1: So they have proven. As we go to break here,

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Speaker 1: we'll take some of your calls. You may have questions

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Speaker 1: about this, but I'm surprised I don't have my phone

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Speaker 1: in television. Is Fox News even on this yet? Have

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Speaker 1: they been covering because when I when I sat down,

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Speaker 1: they had not covered it yet. No, they're on the migrants.

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Speaker 1: Is the main page right now. I'll keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on it, though I'm stunned that this is not the

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Speaker 1: number one story. Frankly, I understand I've seeing inn An

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Speaker 1: MSNBC are trying to hide it. But this is a

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Speaker 1: blockbuster of all blockbusters in the Trump legal process. And Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: we told you was done, But now I think Atlanta

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Speaker 1: imagine buck the irony? Remember how famous that Trump mugshot is.

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Speaker 1: How about Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade are going to

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Speaker 6: part of the thing that I think about and maybe

875
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 6: people could care less about this, but I don't blame

876
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: President Biden for having the issues that come with aging.

877
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 6: That's not his fault. I'm concerned about all the people

878
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 6: that are pushing him out there. I mean, the guy

879
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: can't help it. It's not his fault. We all get

880
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 6: there at some point, right. I'm just not sure that

881
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Speaker 6: there's compatibility between that stage of life and the challenges

882
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 6: that are being chosen for him. I'm sure I'll get

883
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 6: there at some point, and hopefully somebody will say you

884
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 6: need to go over there and sit down.

885
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think so.

886
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: And we would also think, and Doc Philips back, thanks

887
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: for being here, that his wife would be the one

888
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: who would step in. We've talked about that many times.

889
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: But I think she's convinced that no matter how deteriorated

890
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: Joe is in his faculties and ability, he serves the

891
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: country best by continuing to just be the non Trump option.

892
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: I want to ask about your book, We've got Issues.

893
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: I've got a copy of it here. If you're watching

894
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: on the stream, I'm holding it up. We've got issues

895
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: how you can stand strong for America's soul and sanity.

896
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about the issues a lot, I think,

897
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: but what are the top issues as you see it?

898
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Speaker 3: As you get into in your latest book here?

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Speaker 6: You know, if my belief is this I'm not a

900
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 6: political guy. Like when I was talking in answering your

901
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 6: question in the beginning, I'm talking about the individual and

902
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 6: what he's facing as a as a human being. And

903
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 6: when in this book I don't talk about political things.

904
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 6: I talk about cultural things, society things. And I think

905
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 6: every society the backbone is the family unit. And I

906
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 6: think right now family in America is under attack. Now,

907
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 6: some of its unintended consequences of like technology or whatever.

908
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 6: Some of it is by design. But I think if

909
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 6: any society is going to be strong and succeed, family

910
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 6: has to be strong and succeed. And right now families

911
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 6: are under attack. And what we have to do is

912
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: say I set forth ten principles for a healthy society

913
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 6: in this book, and number one is be who you

914
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 6: are on purpose, Live with intention, be who you are

915
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 6: on purpose. And I think that boils right down to

916
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 6: the family. You can't let somebody change the narrative of

917
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 6: your family and of your community and of our country.

918
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 6: You can't decide you're going to forget about history, You're

919
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 6: going to forget about science. You're going to forget about biology,

920
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 6: You're going to forget about facts. You can't do that

921
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 6: and for the first time in our country's history. I

922
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 6: think that we truly are under attacked from within. I

923
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 6: think we've got enough to deal with with our enemies outside.

924
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 6: We don't need to be attacking each other. And that's

925
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 6: what's happening.

926
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Speaker 1: You talked about the change in narrative, and we're talking

927
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: to doctor Phil right now. Encourage you to go check

928
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: out his new book. One of the biggest changes in

929
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: narrative that I see is the idea that you could

930
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: be a man and identify as a woman and compete

931
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: in women's athletics, and also the idea that it's unacceptable

932
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: to challenge a twelve or thirteen year old kid who

933
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: suddenly says, hey, I feel uncomfortable in my body, maybe

934
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm a different gender, that there are states that will say,

935
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: as a parent, you shouldn't be able to do that.

936
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Speaker 1: I've got doctor Phil, a sixteen, a thirteen, and a

937
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: nine year old. I've got three boys. My wife is

938
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: really fired up about this. I mean, we don't let

939
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: those kids, still at their age, pick every meal.

940
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: That they're going to eat.

941
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: My thirteen year old would eat pizza and ice cream

942
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: still for every meal if he could. How do we

943
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: get to a place where a man can pretend to

944
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: be a woman and win a women's championship. And also

945
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: I see this as completely non political. Also, where people

946
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: under the age of eighteen are able to have life

947
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: altering surgeries that keep them from ever being able to

948
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: have children.

949
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 3: As a doctor, what do you think of that?

950
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 6: Well, look, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics,

951
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 6: the American Intocracy Society, American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric

952
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 6: Association have all signed off on gender affirming care. I

953
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 6: think history is going to be unkind to these organizations

954
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 6: and those decisions. Now, look, if we're talking about medical

955
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 6: treatment and procedures, I'm not a physician, so take what

956
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 6: I say with a grain of salt. I'm not a physician,

957
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 6: but I can read, and I can look at the research,

958
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 6: and I have common and sense, and what you just

959
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 6: said is right. Children, The last part of the brain

960
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 6: to grow is the neocortex. This I do know about.

961
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 6: And you cannot allow children to make that decision. And

962
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 6: if parents are allowing children to make that decision, then

963
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 6: they need to revisit this because it's not in the

964
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 6: child's best interest. You know, the hippocratic oath is first

965
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 6: to do no harm, and there simply is not enough

966
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 6: research that this kind of intervention does no harm. In fact,

967
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 6: the European countries, Sweden, Norway, these different countries have done

968
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 6: the research and stopped providing this kind of intervention. They've

969
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 6: done research where they did this sort of intervention, and

970
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 6: they also had a group where they did psychotherapy without surgery,

971
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: without hormone suppression, without testosterone blockers, and in the end

972
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 6: there was no difference in relieving the comorbid and stopping depression, anxiety, suicidality.

973
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 6: So they said, you absolutely don't need to do these

974
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: irreversible procedures in order to help these children that are

975
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 6: in pain right now. So there's no reason that you

976
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 6: should be doing these things. I don't support that, and

977
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 6: I've had experts on. Doctor Carol Hooven from Harvard University

978
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 6: came on and talked about a meta analysis of fifty

979
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 6: plus studies that said there is no way you can

980
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: use testosteronl blockers or whatever to level the playing field

981
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 6: between a transgender female and a biological female. You can

982
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 6: never level the playing field, and she was drummed out

983
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 6: of Harvard labeled as a hater and transphobic, and they

984
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 6: will label me as a They've already labeled me as

985
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 6: a hater and transphobic, and we'll do so again because

986
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: of what I'm telling you right now, but that the

987
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 6: facts are what they are.

988
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: Doctor Phill's book is We've Got Issues, How you can

989
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: stand strong for America's soul Insanity and Doctor Phil Primetime

990
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: launches April second. Doctor Phil, what can you tell us

991
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: about the show?

992
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 6: Well, we're launching an entire network, Merritt Street Media April second,

993
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 6: and we're going to have four hours of news. We're

994
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 6: going to have twenty four to seven programming. My show

995
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 6: will be the anchor in Primetime. We've got a lot

996
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 6: of others that are coming on board with us as well,

997
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 6: Nancy Grace, Bear Grills, Mike Row. Some we can't announce

998
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 6: just yet, but some big names that are coming on

999
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 6: with us. And the idea is to create a destination

1000
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 6: network that you can turn on in the morning and

1001
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 6: leave on all day long and not worry that your

1002
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 6: kids are going to see something that's going to brainwash

1003
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 6: them or distort their thinking. I want to be the

1004
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: debate lane in America where both sides of any issue

1005
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 6: can come on and discuss it intelligently, have a civil discourse,

1006
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 6: and people can make up their own minds. The news

1007
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 6: is going to be fact based. Make up your own mind.

1008
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 6: You think it's a good deal, bad deal, good news,

1009
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 6: bad news. We're insulting America by not letting them make

1010
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 6: up their own mind You don't need spin spin spin,

1011
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 6: And the blueprint for that network is in the book

1012
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 6: We've Got Issues and I designed it that way. That's

1013
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 6: what it's all going to be about, and I really

1014
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 6: hope people will pick it up and read it. I

1015
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 6: think they need to. We need to wake up.

1016
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: Last question for you, doctor Phil. You raise two boys,

1017
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm raising three boys. We've had a lot of discussion

1018
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: on this show about manhood being under attack and men

1019
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: in general not living up to their fatherhood obligations. You

1020
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: talked about the family being under attack. What do men

1021
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: need to do better? Based on your education as you

1022
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: see the way society is evolving, what are we failing

1023
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: at and what do men need to do better in

1024
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: your mind to raise the next generation of boys into men?

1025
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 6: Well, I think as parents in general, you know right

1026
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 6: now in college talk about toxic masculinity and there is

1027
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 6: toxic masculinity. I mean, seriously, there are some guys that

1028
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 6: just they're misogynistic, They go too far, they get into

1029
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: abuse control, that sort of thing. Nobody wants that. What

1030
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 6: they're teaching in college too often now is that masculinity

1031
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 6: is toxic. That It's one thing to say there is

1032
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 6: toxic masculinity, it's another thing to say that masculinity is toxic.

1033
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 6: That's not true. They're teaching that you you shouldn't be masculine.

1034
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 6: They're they're they're teaching these things that say, look, we

1035
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 6: should have a quality of outcome independent of input, and

1036
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 6: that if you're ambitious, if you're hard working, if you're

1037
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 6: trying to get out there and be entrepreneurial and get ahead,

1038
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 6: that that's in some way ghosts. You shouldn't do that.

1039
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 6: That's that is not true. They should not be teaching that.

1040
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: They're not preparing those students for the real world. And

1041
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 6: I that's what I'm saying. I want people to hear this,

1042
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 6: be alert to it, and make sure that somebody's not

1043
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 6: programming their children. There's research out now that says one

1044
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 6: exposure to one woke course can change an individual young

1045
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 6: man's view of the world, and you can wind up

1046
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 6: getting out there in the dog eat dog world and

1047
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 6: get eaten alive. We need to prepare young people, men

1048
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 6: in particular, for the next level of life.

1049
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: Doctor Phil McGraw. We've got issues as his book, and

1050
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: get excited for that network that they're launching here in April.

1051
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: Doctor Phil, please come back again. Soom really enjoy talking

1052
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: to you.

1053
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for having me on. And people can

1054
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Speaker 6: order this book on Amazon today and it'll be at

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Speaker 6: their house Tuesday morning.

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