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Speaker 1: welcome to hoops tonight. You're at the volume. Happy Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: everybody of all. If you guys are having a great

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Speaker 1: week so far, well, well, well, we had talked about

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Speaker 1: how this was an incredibly boring NBA off season, but

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Speaker 1: not anymore. A bomb goes off today in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard finally gets traded, and not to any of

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Speaker 1: the destinations that had been hinted. He's going to the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks are getting Damian Lillard, the Blazers

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Speaker 1: are getting Drew Holliday and DeAndre Ayton and some draft compensation,

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Speaker 1: and the Sons are getting use of Nurkic and Grayson

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Speaker 1: have a new championship favorite going into the season one

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Speaker 1: that's probably gonna disrupt my power rankings quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: obviously for all the teams involved, which we'll get to

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Speaker 1: I have six different pieces of fallout from this. One

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Speaker 1: Portland not trading Dame to Miami. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Two Damian Lillard and Giannis together with the Bucks, what

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Speaker 1: does that look like? Three the Blazers getting a young

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Speaker 1: big man for their guard? Core, what does that mean for?

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Speaker 1: Where will Drew Holliday end up? Five? Do the Suns

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Speaker 1: have enough athleticism and talent in their front court? And?

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Speaker 1: Six what do the Miami Heat do now? So all

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Speaker 1: sorts of fallout from this incredibly interesting trade, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break it all down. You guys know the Joe before

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Speaker 1: let's start with the Portland trading Dame to Miami. So again,

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Speaker 1: the conundrum here, and I saw both sides of it,

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Speaker 1: Like you want to take care of him, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to vindictively send him somewhere else, right, So, like

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Speaker 1: what was best for Dame. It was a tough thing

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Speaker 1: It's not the market that Miami is, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: like this is probably the best possible outcome to this situation.

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Speaker 1: of my biggest critiques of the Dame era in Portland

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Speaker 1: you need a dominant defensive front court. That's what NBA

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Speaker 1: exception that proves the rule. As we go back, it's

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Speaker 1: So what I'm really excited about seeing Damian Lillard flanked

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the pairing of that with the pull

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