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Speaker 1: which means it's one of our favorite times of the week,
Speaker 1: the time when we get to hear directly from you,
Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to get some great names,
Speaker 1: some great monikers today. Very excited about that.
Speaker 3: Uh, Ben, really good. Did I ever mention that people
Speaker 3: sometimes call me the human calendar? You have never that's
Speaker 3: a verse good at telling people exactly what what data
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Speaker 3: it's not true.
Speaker 1: So we're going to hear a bunch of uh. We're
Speaker 1: going to hear some great topic suggestions. As you know,
Speaker 1: we love, we love when we get new leads from
Speaker 1: our fellow listeners, We're going to talk about something incredibly important, uh,
Speaker 1: involving blood that has not been I think been yet
Speaker 1: the subject of an episode before we do any of that.
Speaker 1: I know this is a little bit silly because there's
Speaker 1: so much stuff going on. But guys, remember we were
Speaker 1: talking about Rebel Moon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that award a Humble Farmer documentary about the
Speaker 2: about them.
Speaker 1: Every ten minutes. It's for them, for the audience to know,
Speaker 1: and apparently whomever wrote that script, it's important to know
Speaker 1: that one of those guys is a humble Farmer. And
Speaker 1: I want to give a very special shout out to
Speaker 1: one of our fellow conspiracy realists who said, I'll go
Speaker 1: with that one.
Speaker 3: You know, I like that I'm only learning about this
Speaker 3: film secondhand, and I'm going to keep it that way
Speaker 3: just to see what in mental image it conjures. But
Speaker 3: in my mind, the Humble Farmer is the is the
Speaker 3: protagonist of the whole story. But that's apparently not even true.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I figured it was like a come up kind of
Speaker 3: story that he starts as a humble farmer and then
Speaker 3: he ends up saving the galaxy.
Speaker 1: It's about crops because again, so it's interstellar Basel Moon.
Speaker 1: In Rebel Moon, someone probably read the first half of
Speaker 1: Save the Cat or something, which is a bible of screenwriting,
Speaker 1: and then said, okay, as long as every character has
Speaker 1: a fear, a fear at aspiration, and one defining demographical
Speaker 1: characteristic their demographic characteristic, then we are good to go.
Speaker 1: Take that Shakespeare. This our first email today does come
Speaker 1: from a humble farmer, and it goes this way. This
Speaker 1: is just a story one to share. I think it
Speaker 1: is so very well written. As you know, folks, we
Speaker 1: read every email we get. Here's how it goes, or
Speaker 1: what's that old joke? I want to hear it? Here
Speaker 1: it goes. I know that one. Okay, that might have
Speaker 1: just been one of my weird tennessee young guts.
Speaker 3: That's from an LL cool Jason.
Speaker 1: It is now you're welcome LL so here it goes.
Speaker 1: Greetings and salutations stuff they don't want you to know. Team.
Speaker 1: I want to apologize in advance for the length of
Speaker 1: this email, and kudos goes to whomever finishes it in
Speaker 1: its entirety. Well, kudos to all of us from you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. When we do read every email
Speaker 1: we get. I thought you guys like the intro. I
Speaker 1: would like to start out by sharing my not so
Speaker 1: short nicknames for the group you are all loving leading
Speaker 1: on in my head as Matt the Twitter list. Frederick applause.
Speaker 1: Noel only smokes pot in states where it's legal.
Speaker 3: Brown, that's funny, it's very true.
Speaker 1: Ben definitely not trying to sneak into the DPRK wink Bolin.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll let it slide. Paul, can we grub
Speaker 1: hub some Applebee's decands? And Alexis the famous Alexis Jackson
Speaker 1: Jackson applause all around? Can we get an applause to perfect?
Speaker 1: Just no, says our conspiracy realist. If you are a
Speaker 1: super producer reading this who wasn't included on the list,
Speaker 1: I probably have a nickname for you too. That's just
Speaker 1: eluding me at the moment, So watch out, Max Williams
Speaker 1: and Seth and Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yes, and so we
Speaker 1: get a bit of background from our conspiracy realist here,
Speaker 1: who also has, by the way, granted us permission to
Speaker 1: paraphrase some of this. So go going through some beautiful pros,
Speaker 1: we get to the first of two amazing subjects, Love
Speaker 1: the way right here. This is the story let's get
Speaker 1: to my ufo uap or Uao experience. It was the
Speaker 1: old year of twenty fourteen. Some comrades and I had
Speaker 1: gathered at a friend's house in the woods for little fire,
Speaker 1: some of mister Adams's finest alee in Washington's Stinkiest Herb editorializing,
Speaker 1: We'll leave you to guess what that means, folks, continuing,
Speaker 1: you should understand this was not a rager, just a
Speaker 1: friendly gathering of ten or so people out in the
Speaker 1: woods of Vermont, twenty five miles away from the nearest
Speaker 1: city and fifty miles from the airport. At one point
Speaker 1: I snuck away from the fire to sit on the
Speaker 1: porch and star gaze. Away from the light of the fire.
Speaker 1: While looking up at the stars, I came across an
Speaker 1: orange light. It was moving like a typical satellite light,
Speaker 1: but was maybe two times bigger and had a sunset
Speaker 1: orange glow to it. I rationalized this in my head
Speaker 1: as maybe being at a different orbit than usual, and
Speaker 1: the light reflecting through the atmosphere weirdly but not out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary. I continued to scan the skies while
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this orange light. Eventually I noticed
Speaker 1: often the distance, but not that far away from the
Speaker 1: orange light. Another light, but this time it was the
Speaker 1: normal white star like satellite that I'm used to. Now
Speaker 1: I want to pause here because I think this is
Speaker 1: an excellent retelling. This is peak storytelling, and I want
Speaker 1: to pass the mic so we can kind of round
Speaker 1: robin this so it's not just like one person talking
Speaker 1: the whole time. Does anybody want to pick up?
Speaker 2: As I continued to monitor these two lights, there were
Speaker 2: two things that became abundantly clear. The first is that
Speaker 2: the white light was moving much faster than the orange light,
Speaker 2: and the second thing was that these two objects were
Speaker 2: moving at a four already five degree angle of each
Speaker 2: other and appeared to be on a path to collide.
Speaker 2: It was at that point I went and gathered the
Speaker 2: group by the fire to show them what I had discovered.
Speaker 2: We all watched in amazement as the two orbs got
Speaker 2: closer and closer until colliding. When the objects met, both
Speaker 2: lights disappeared. We continued to scan the area for a
Speaker 2: few moments, when eventually one white light emerged in the
Speaker 2: same area, but this time it was traveling at a
Speaker 2: ninety degree angle from their previous trajectory and continued traveling
Speaker 2: until it fell off the horizon.
Speaker 3: Everyone in the group was stunned and confused by what
Speaker 3: we just witnessed, except for one of us. While we
Speaker 3: were all discussing aliens and what we possibly could have seen,
Speaker 3: one person chimed in with, Guys, you're all crazy. It's
Speaker 3: not aliens, probably just a military training exercise we know
Speaker 3: nothing about. I guess there had to be one rational
Speaker 3: person with around it in The group scoured the web
Speaker 3: over the next few days, but couldn't find anything about
Speaker 3: training exercises, satellite crashes, or even just other reports of
Speaker 3: the two lights. I know this may not be the
Speaker 3: craziest experience to some, but to most of our group,
Speaker 3: it was the weirdest thing we've ever seen in the sky.
Speaker 1: Paul, can we get just like whatever is closest to
Speaker 1: the X Files or Twilight Zone theme? That will not
Speaker 1: get a sued perfect So we've got to go to
Speaker 1: We've got to go to the very end of this letter.
Speaker 1: After another fantastic description of scientology by the way and
Speaker 1: remote viewing hidden caves stargates write to us about that,
Speaker 1: Our pal says, I am not a fan of people
Speaker 1: choosing their own nickname to me. A nickname is given
Speaker 1: by friends. As I consider all of you my friends,
Speaker 1: I would be privileged if you would come up with
Speaker 1: your nickname for me. But given the spirit of the
Speaker 1: not so great movie I just watched Ellipses, it was
Speaker 1: too dark for me, like all of Snyder's recent movies.
Speaker 1: But for now, you can call me Humble Farmer. Guys,
Speaker 1: we have our own Humble Farmer. Now, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have to watch Rebel Moon Part two. We've got Humble
Speaker 1: Farmer at home.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to marinate on a maybe I don't know, No,
Speaker 3: we should do it now, we won't get to it.
Speaker 3: Can we have an alternat nickname that we decide on,
Speaker 3: maybe like light light Bringer, light fearer, light seeker, I
Speaker 3: don't know, the Primethean, that's good.
Speaker 1: The scientology. Yeah, hey, folks, maybe you can write in
Speaker 1: and suggest some nicknames.
Speaker 3: Elron, mother, Hubbard.
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that one too. We also wanted
Speaker 1: to share this one because we get a lot of
Speaker 1: folks who write in and say, hey, I don't have
Speaker 1: a suggestion for or a new topic, or I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily reacting to a thing that you said before. Right,
Speaker 1: We're but I have an experience. I need to share
Speaker 1: something that I cannot explain, And with that in mind,
Speaker 1: we want you to please send us your stories of
Speaker 1: these seemingly inexplicable things. The the idea of unidentified objects
Speaker 1: or phenomena in the sky is much more ubiquitous than
Speaker 1: it may appear.
Speaker 3: I got it. L Ron humble.
Speaker 1: Farmer's humble farter, The fumble farmer would work. If this
Speaker 1: wasn't such an excellently written email.
Speaker 2: We should also be handled. We should also point out
Speaker 2: that our old friend Brock let us know that he
Speaker 2: comes from a long line of humble humble farmer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out rock, Yeah, and shout out to the shout
Speaker 1: out to our other conspiracy realists. I think I replied
Speaker 1: today who warned us about per Simmons. Apparently you have
Speaker 1: to be very careful when you eat per Simmons, did
Speaker 1: you guys? Is that us right?
Speaker 3: Isn't that true?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 3: What's the deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's somewhere back in the old memory banks.
Speaker 1: So this is uh, this is from our pal who
Speaker 1: we're going to call uh Coca Cola, Thank you, Georgia.
Speaker 1: Just to not compromise stuff. Uh, the thing is apparently
Speaker 1: if you eat per simmons when they're unripe on an
Speaker 1: empty stomach, they can form bezo wars in your stomach.
Speaker 1: The a bez of war is like a bunch of
Speaker 1: gunk trapped in stomach. It's partially undigested material. It's also
Speaker 1: very useful in some ritual magic back in the day.
Speaker 3: Is it sort of like, what's that stuff that that
Speaker 3: whales secrete that's so valuable? Amberg and human equivalent? Are
Speaker 3: these pezive words? Can they be harvested and then sold
Speaker 3: on the black market?
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You know, you can sell a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on the black market. We've got some stories about
Speaker 1: that on the way there. But with this in mind,
Speaker 1: this is a big thank you to humble farmer. We
Speaker 1: just want to find more reasons to say humble farmer. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is also a call to action, as we would
Speaker 1: say in the business. We want to read more of
Speaker 1: your UFO UAP paranormal stories or things you just can explain.
Speaker 1: If you drive often, if you drive for a living,
Speaker 1: then what's the strangest stuff you've seen on the road.
Speaker 1: If you are out there in the ocean, what's the
Speaker 1: strangest stuff you've seen on or beneath the waves. These
Speaker 1: stories are important. They always make our evening. We love
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Speaker 1: if you would like to send us photographs or footage
Speaker 1: or audio, we are more than happy to dig in
Speaker 1: and give you our take.
Speaker 3: Consider this a call to arms, a call to use
Speaker 3: your arms, or your mouth or your mind man eventually
Speaker 3: maybe to write us about these, these these and any
Speaker 3: other questions you might have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, call to arms, a call to add to the
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Speaker 2: And we're back. I just took a look outside, guys,
Speaker 2: only seeing gray out there.
Speaker 1: Just gray me too days. I blame it dollar blindness.
Speaker 1: But you know, the.
Speaker 2: Clouds, I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell.
Speaker 2: There might be a gene jacket up there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Shout out, Jean jacket in the sky. I got you
Speaker 1: that one was talking.
Speaker 2: About the note, yes, sir, Yes, sir. It's honestly my
Speaker 2: favorite depiction, though could be. Okay, uh, here we go,
Speaker 2: We're going to jump to the phone lines. We got
Speaker 2: a message from Zach.
Speaker 4: Well, my name is Zach from Arkansas. I've got something
Speaker 4: that I think they don't want us to know. Back
Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, a director named Kelly Dudah
Speaker 4: du Da made a film called Factor eight. It was
Speaker 4: about plasma and blood transfusions being taken from the Arkansas
Speaker 4: prison system and being sold internationally. Apparently it's illegal to
Speaker 4: sell them of prison collected blood in the United States,
Speaker 4: but apparently a gray area internationally. Anyways, remembered that the
Speaker 4: Clintons were behind all this because he was a governor
Speaker 4: at this time when this was going on, and of
Speaker 4: course the governor is has some control over the prison systems.
Speaker 4: But anyways, back in two thousand and five, Kelly Dudeah
Speaker 4: put out this movie called Factor eight. It is unobtainable.
Speaker 4: You cannot I cannot find it anywhere on the internet.
Speaker 4: You can find a trailer for it, which gives quite
Speaker 4: a bit of information but still leaves you wanting to
Speaker 4: watch the entire movie. The movie one film was shown
Speaker 4: at film festivals, won some awards. I believe, to my knowledge,
Speaker 4: Kelly good All Tudah is still around and lives in
Speaker 4: Arkansas still. But there are tons of conspiracy and imagination
Speaker 4: just to let go crazy with the the bad stuff
Speaker 4: that went on with this. Lots of people done with pain,
Speaker 4: blood anyways, interesting stuff, and since they don't want us
Speaker 4: to know it, well there we.
Speaker 2: Go, guys. Zach's putting us on to a movie and
Speaker 2: an entire topic. I think that may even deserve more
Speaker 2: time that we've got today. But let's get let's knock
Speaker 2: out what we can. Let's give everybody as much info
Speaker 2: as we can. First thing I would say is the
Speaker 2: movie that Zach is referring to is titled Factor the
Speaker 2: Number eight colon the Arkansas Prison blood Scandal. You can
Speaker 2: find an IMDb page for it. You can find a
Speaker 2: couple other pieces written about it online. But as Zach found,
Speaker 2: I could not find a place to either purchase this
Speaker 2: video or even download it in some other way to
Speaker 2: actually view the entire thing.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Matt, I played the game a bit too,
Speaker 1: because we talked about this off air. There's not even
Speaker 1: a good r maybe path to it.
Speaker 2: There you go, Yes, exactly our Factor eight. Well, we
Speaker 2: couldn't find it, at least to my knowledge, I couldn't
Speaker 2: find it. Did, however, find a few other documentaries that
Speaker 2: are touching on this scandal because it was and is
Speaker 2: such a big deal. If you search for in cold
Speaker 2: Blood Infected Blood scandal documentary, you can find it on
Speaker 2: a YouTube channel titled Factor eight by the way, which
Speaker 2: is a bit confusing for everybody, I think, but this
Speaker 2: is an hour and a half long feature documentary. I
Speaker 2: have not personally watched that one, so I do not
Speaker 2: know what that one is like. You can also find
Speaker 2: longer videos on YouTube from places like Real Stories. There's
Speaker 2: like an hour long documentary on this whole scandal. There's
Speaker 2: all kinds. Basically, there are places for you to watch
Speaker 2: things about this if that is how you want to
Speaker 2: explore it. If you want to read about the topic
Speaker 2: and what occurred, you will also find a ton of resources.
Speaker 2: The one that was I focused on a couple of
Speaker 2: the British reportings on it, because it did a lot
Speaker 2: of this stuff took place in the UK, also took
Speaker 2: place in Canada, in parts of Asia as well, and
Speaker 2: in different countries there. But it is primarily a UK
Speaker 2: Canada situation, so I'm kind of trusting a bit of
Speaker 2: that to go off the initial like what occurred, and
Speaker 2: I guess them using their official healthcare terminology right with
Speaker 2: the different organizations that were reporting, And it also has
Speaker 2: to do with American pharmaceutical companies. So I was a
Speaker 2: bit nervous about checking out US reporting just because I
Speaker 2: thought there might be I can't believe, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't know if there's just a
Speaker 2: cozy relationship there sometimes, So you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: That name really rang a bell with me. It's a
Speaker 3: bit of an unusual name. And I did some digging
Speaker 3: in the old memory banks and remembered that this guy
Speaker 3: actually pitched this as a podcast several years ago and
Speaker 3: nothing came of it. And it's such a crazy and
Speaker 3: interesting story. I don't quite know what happened. He seems
Speaker 3: to have ghosted a little bit unusual because it's such
Speaker 3: a fascinating story. There had to have been a reason
Speaker 3: that we didn't do it. I kind of seemed to
Speaker 3: remember that the guy kind of dropped off the map
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I know nothing about that, guys, but I maybe let's
Speaker 2: jump into the reporting from BBC just to like have
Speaker 2: an understanding based off of what Zach is telling us.
Speaker 2: What does a BBC say about this? They're calling it
Speaker 2: the Blood Inquiry, the Contaminated Blood Inquiry. In fact, you
Speaker 2: can search for what is the Contaminated Blood Inquiry and
Speaker 2: you'll find an article written by Nick Triggle tri gg La.
Speaker 2: That's very wonderful British name. Oh yeah, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to read a bit directly from this article. But ultimately
Speaker 2: what's happening in the nineteen seventies and eighties, the United
Speaker 2: Kingdom is struggling to keep up with this stuff. That
Speaker 2: is it's they call it Factor eight blood caught clotting treatment.
Speaker 2: It is for it is to treat people who have hemophilia,
Speaker 2: so blood disorder of one sort or another. In this case,
Speaker 2: it's the blood is unable to clot properly, so you
Speaker 2: can get treated with this stuff. In this this treatment
Speaker 2: is a blood transfusion where you are actually getting a
Speaker 2: substance let's call it, that's based on blood from a
Speaker 2: donor that then goes into your body and allows your
Speaker 2: body person with hemophilia to clot properly. Okay, so UK
Speaker 2: can't keep up with the demand, so they start importing
Speaker 2: stuff from the United States. Now here's the issue. In
Speaker 2: the US, A lot of the blood supplies that were
Speaker 2: going to US pharmaceutical companies were being donated, and in
Speaker 2: this case a lot of those donors were coming from
Speaker 2: prison systems and several of them, not all of them, obviously,
Speaker 2: but several of those prisoners ended up having contaminated blood
Speaker 2: with either HIV or hepatitis C, and somehow or another,
Speaker 2: those contaminated samples of blood, those donations made it through
Speaker 2: the system at the pharmaceutical company, made it through the system.
Speaker 2: Then that went over to the UK and Canada and
Speaker 2: was injected into people via transfusion who did not have
Speaker 2: hepatitis C or HIV. Sure be killed until that moment
Speaker 2: when they received treatment for the thing they needed. It
Speaker 2: was like life saving treatment. Which is just a whole horrifying,
Speaker 2: just a series of events.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The big problem is how did how did those infected
Speaker 2: people get to donate blood? Where was the testing? Where
Speaker 2: was the like the protection?
Speaker 1: Right was their consent? What was the order of operations? Dude?
Speaker 3: They won't let people that have tattoos donate blood, Like there.
Speaker 1: Were people who visited the UK during mad cow disease.
Speaker 3: Right, I was saying, like, you know, there was a
Speaker 3: communication systematic breakdown at some stage of this this event.
Speaker 2: Well, if we're talking seventies and eighties now, remember that's
Speaker 2: a good point. We've only known about HIV for a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time where we were really starting to
Speaker 2: understand it in the mid nineteen eighties, So at that
Speaker 2: time when these donations are going out, maybe there wasn't
Speaker 2: an understanding right of whether or not or how bad
Speaker 2: this would be, what it would be. And also the
Speaker 2: hepatitis the thing we were humans like, science was learning
Speaker 2: about that stuff still, and there was a monetary incentive
Speaker 2: to donate blood. If you were a prisoner, you would
Speaker 2: get paid, right when we're talking about consent, Like what
Speaker 2: in my mind, at least with this story, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the prisoners being forced to donate. It was more like, yeah,
Speaker 2: donate blood, I'm going to get some money. That's the
Speaker 2: way it seems. And this is something that went on
Speaker 2: for quite a while before it was detected, because again,
Speaker 2: when you get that transfusion, you often weren't aware that
Speaker 2: you've been infected with anything for a long time, right,
Speaker 2: It wasn't until people who receive treatments began to get
Speaker 2: very sick and or die that everyone kind of raised
Speaker 2: the flag and said, hey, there's a problem here, we
Speaker 2: need to investigate. So there is a huge There was
Speaker 2: a huge inquiry not long ago, I think twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: there was a large public inquiry in the United Kingdom,
Speaker 2: you know, just to gather information. And it's something that
Speaker 2: has it continues to happen right now. Wow, I believe
Speaker 2: there's still it's still ongoing. So we need to do
Speaker 2: a deep dive I think into this, especially the I
Speaker 2: guess the processes that went into the donation, the donations
Speaker 2: from the Arkansas prison system in particular.
Speaker 1: Let's do an episode on the blood trade or blood
Speaker 1: donation trade in general. I think right like this, this
Speaker 1: is a real thing, quite possibly a real conspiracy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The conspiratorial aspect, to your point, would be when people
Speaker 1: knew about it, or when institutions knew about it, versus
Speaker 1: when they stopped giving tainted blood to two people, two
Speaker 1: innocent people. And there's gosh, there's such hypocrisy in blood donation.
Speaker 1: It wasn't too long ago that someone's sexual orientation would
Speaker 1: dictate whether or not they could donate blood. We mentioned
Speaker 1: the mad cow controversy, and you mentioned tattoos as well. No,
Speaker 1: the this twenty nineteen in quary you're talking about matt
Speaker 1: Is it following up on the earlier UK inquiry, because yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been ongoing basically since since that time, and things,
Speaker 2: I guess precautions have been put into place. Blood products
Speaker 2: of any sort began to be screened for all types
Speaker 2: of things, like any donated blood that's going to go
Speaker 2: into any product begins getting screened in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Then by the late nineteen nineties, especially for this treatment
Speaker 2: is factor eight treatment. There's a synthetic option, so you
Speaker 2: didn't actually need human blood donation to make it right,
Speaker 2: which is all good stuff for people suffering from hemophilia
Speaker 2: that need this type of treatment. But it doesn't stop.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change that several thousand people got infected over
Speaker 2: the course of decades.
Speaker 1: Why is there never news about a blood surplus. It's
Speaker 1: always like in the US, there was just a new
Speaker 1: thing released this week, maybe even yesterday, as we record
Speaker 1: about emergency lack of blood for people who need it,
Speaker 1: Like it's just weird. It's always a shortage. It's never
Speaker 1: a situation where a country says we have so much blood.
Speaker 2: That would be troubling though, right, It would be a.
Speaker 1: Weird headline, now that I say it out loud, you know,
Speaker 1: like Romania advertises free blood, more like Transylvania.
Speaker 3: Am I right?
Speaker 2: We heard the number one holder of blood of what supplies.
Speaker 1: We're kind of known.
Speaker 3: For our blood, having a fire sale of blood. Blood, blood, blood,
Speaker 3: all the blood must go.
Speaker 1: This is a real problem though, right, evidenced by the
Speaker 1: the timeline of investigations and the levels of government into
Speaker 1: which these investigations have risen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely so. If you want to learn more,
Speaker 2: you can also search the Contaminated Blood Scandal Hemophilia Society.
Speaker 2: That's h A E M O P h I L
Speaker 2: I A society search for that. There's a great write
Speaker 2: up there. Again, this is stuff you can find everywhere
Speaker 2: as well, El Juzira The Guardian if you want to
Speaker 2: learn more about it on your own, But if not,
Speaker 2: we're going to hopefully come back with our findings in
Speaker 2: a full episode shortly. So for now, thank you, Zach.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3: And we're back with one more piece of listener mail
Speaker 3: mail from you. Yesu, This one comes to us from
Speaker 3: tie Gin. This is a great nickname. You can give
Speaker 3: yourself a nickname.
Speaker 1: It's nice spelled like the seasoning.
Speaker 3: Though no it's Gin. That's the silence D but just
Speaker 3: so you can visualize it. But yeah, humble farmer, we
Speaker 3: see you. He's a humble farmer. Hu the boy is he?
Speaker 1: Ever?
Speaker 3: This one is a suggestion for a handful of topics
Speaker 3: to look into, and I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: fun to chat about the three of these right quick,
Speaker 3: So let's jump in. Hi, guys, you can call me
Speaker 3: tie Jin. Longtime listener, first time writer. First of all,
Speaker 3: you guys have mentioned or talked about immortality and cloning
Speaker 3: not too long ago. I was wondering if you had
Speaker 3: ever read cy teen by C. J. Cherry. There's a
Speaker 3: seemingly silent h at the end of Cherry, but that's
Speaker 3: how I'm going to say it. If not, I highly
Speaker 3: recommend it. It explores cloning and human engineering on a global scale.
Speaker 3: It is a very interesting read and makes you consider
Speaker 3: the boons and downfalls of such sciences. I'm going to
Speaker 3: go through all these and then we'll hit them one
Speaker 3: at a time. Secondly, and on a completely different topic,
Speaker 3: have you ever covered the disappearance of Harold Holt. He
Speaker 3: was a Prime Minister of Australia who had disappeared while
Speaker 3: in office in nineteen sixty seven. I haven't done much
Speaker 3: research on this, but I'm very curious as to the
Speaker 3: possible circumstances of his disappearance. Lastly, on New Year's Day
Speaker 3: in Miami at the Bayside Marketplace, apparently there was a
Speaker 3: sighting of a ten foot tall alien that caused a
Speaker 3: large panic. I'm going to leave it at that so
Speaker 3: that we can get to the details of that. In
Speaker 3: our conversation. Tai Jen also included some very helpful links
Speaker 3: and signed off. So thanks Tijen, Ben you made an
Speaker 3: expression as though you were familiar with Cyten by CJ. Cherry.
Speaker 3: I read a bit about it on the Internet without
Speaker 3: having actually read it, but it sounds like a really
Speaker 3: cool piece of prescient sci fi.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Well has always like to point out
Speaker 1: the good sci fi is always prescient and fiction only
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time. I just really appreciated that.
Speaker 1: Shout out, Tijen and quit pro quo clarice as they say,
Speaker 1: shout out to your awesome name. I like your point
Speaker 1: about choosing nickname as well, NOL. And this is that
Speaker 1: these are three great topics. These are three great things
Speaker 1: to explore. I wonder we've talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: Harold Holt. These are also great. No, what's your initial
Speaker 1: reaction when you read this first topic? Oh?
Speaker 3: Just I mean, like I said, I'm not familiar with
Speaker 3: the book, but I'm a huge fan of science fiction
Speaker 3: that gets the future right. And it does seem like
Speaker 3: this citing series or is it a series? Or is
Speaker 3: it just a single book? Does you know? Like I said,
Speaker 3: I read some synopsies online. It sounds pretty complex, as
Speaker 3: oftentimes some of these types of novels are. But have
Speaker 3: you read Citeen Ben by C. J.
Speaker 4: Cherry?
Speaker 1: I read. I want to if I'm remembering this correctly.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's just the one book. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a series. But I do remember it
Speaker 1: because it was when it was this golden age in
Speaker 1: used bookstores where you can get any quote unquote genre
Speaker 1: fiction in paperback form for like less than a dollar
Speaker 1: if it was a used book. So I went through
Speaker 1: a lot of sci fi paperbacks at that time. But
Speaker 1: I do think it is. I do think it is
Speaker 1: just the one book. I believe. I picked it up
Speaker 1: because it won a Hugo Award.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look look at looking it up now, it does
Speaker 3: appear to be just the one book. And Ben, I'm
Speaker 3: with you on the mining thrift stories for you know,
Speaker 3: fantasy and sci fi novels. I actually stumbled upon a
Speaker 3: book called The Wizard's Mole by none other than friend
Speaker 3: of the show and UH and owner of the complaints
Speaker 3: email box, Jonathan Strickland's father, Brad Strickland. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: haven't read that. Well, it's funny speaking of series versus
Speaker 3: one offs. I texted Jonathan when I was at the bookstore,
Speaker 3: send him a picture of it for lulls, and he responded,
Speaker 3: don't get it. It's the eighth book in a fifteen
Speaker 3: book series. You won't have any idea what's going on.
Speaker 3: Not The Case with Cyteen by CJ. Cherry, which came
Speaker 3: out in nineteen eighty eight, involves a planet that has
Speaker 3: become toxic for humans to live on and the necessity
Speaker 3: to create kind of capsule communities, capsule colonies like the
Speaker 3: biodome kind of situations within the city, and it of
Speaker 3: course involves politics, like a lot of the best science
Speaker 3: fiction does, and when it's done well, it's not as
Speaker 3: snoozy as one might think. I think Star Trek is
Speaker 3: a great example of doing politics in a way that
Speaker 3: is actually very interesting and educational when it comes to
Speaker 3: thinking about the politics of Earth today. But yeah, very
Speaker 3: much so. This involves a lot of human cloning and
Speaker 3: the idea of these womb tanks incubated incubators called womb tanks,
Speaker 3: which I think is a great nomenclature. But I don't
Speaker 3: want to give anything away. I actually want to read this.
Speaker 3: I may do it as an audiobook on an upcoming trip,
Speaker 3: but yeah, let's move on. Thanks for the recommendation. To
Speaker 3: the second topic, it was about the Prime Minister of Australia,
Speaker 3: Harold Holt. I didn't remember this, but Ben you said
Speaker 3: you remember either not necessarily doing a full episode, but
Speaker 3: it may have come up in other research. This kind
Speaker 3: of disappeared suspiciously, or at the very least suddenly during
Speaker 3: a swim a swimming expedition, and he was known for
Speaker 3: his love of the swim. He was a big swimmer,
Speaker 3: strong swimmer.
Speaker 1: As they say, yes, yes, one of those folks who
Speaker 1: would have gotten their cups and said, you know, I
Speaker 1: wish i'd been bowl on adulphin shout out to shout
Speaker 1: out to folks like trees And as for alien and
Speaker 1: fellow ben down under our Australian listeners, you're you're aware
Speaker 1: of this, and Matt check me here. I think maybe
Speaker 1: it was an Australian listener who tipped us with Harold
Speaker 1: Holt way back in the day. For some reason, I'm
Speaker 1: associating it with our mysterious Disappearances phase a Llah you know,
Speaker 1: dag Hammer, Scold and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah, I'm searching through our meta right now, guys,
Speaker 2: to try and because it sounds so familiar to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't find a full episode on it, and it's flicked through,
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's like a cavalcade of where did
Speaker 1: these people go?
Speaker 3: Totally well, you know, because of his his you know,
Speaker 3: notoriety obviously as a prominent politician, I believe he was
Speaker 3: pretty well well liked and his reputations being such a
Speaker 3: strong swimmer. This is what of course caused speculation to
Speaker 3: take place, you know, around the nature of his disappearance.
Speaker 3: And I think it was ultimately ruled like death by
Speaker 3: a misadventure, one of those kind of things. But there
Speaker 3: is a not to make light of the loss of
Speaker 3: a human life. But there was something that I read
Speaker 3: in the just a cursory glance through the wiki about
Speaker 3: this guy that there was a like a national like
Speaker 3: creation center in Melbourne that was named after him, and
Speaker 3: an indoor pool and a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: Aussi's apparently find that to be a little bit ironic,
Speaker 3: don't you think, But that's sort of the point. You know,
Speaker 3: he was known for his love of the water, so
Speaker 3: name a pool center after him.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny here, Tijan and Noel and Matt
Speaker 1: and everybody tuning in, is that this very evening as
Speaker 1: we record, not too long ago, someone released a story
Speaker 1: called The Enduring Enigma, Harold Holt's disappearance and the swirl
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. The most famous theory, which I think
Speaker 1: it's quoted often. I can't remember if we mentioned this one,
Speaker 1: is that this guy who entered politics at a very
Speaker 1: young age. I think he was in his late twenties.
Speaker 1: He's like twenty seven years old when he enters politics.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: The idea is that the most popular fringe speculation is
Speaker 1: that the entire time he was an OP, he was
Speaker 1: an agent of the Chinese government at that when he
Speaker 1: was swimming, he wasn't on a recreational swim. He was
Speaker 1: instead physically swimming out to meet a submarine from China.
Speaker 3: How presumably containing his handlers.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense if you ever had to meet
Speaker 1: a submarine China Australia.
Speaker 3: I'm bad at geography.
Speaker 2: It has to surface right to do anything.
Speaker 3: You can't go they pick him up.
Speaker 1: They has to surf, which means, unless things are absolutely fubar,
Speaker 1: you are on a small boat on the way to
Speaker 1: the submarine. That's how those work.
Speaker 2: It's a dinghy sitch, you know. But but the the
Speaker 2: story I heard is that he got pulled out with
Speaker 2: a rip current. Basically he was just swimming, you know,
Speaker 2: as a human swims and water and got rid to
Speaker 2: see and that was it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing with Jeff Buckley, the gorgeous,
Speaker 3: wonderful singer. I say gorgeous, not now referring to his looks,
Speaker 3: but he was also a good looking man. But he died.
Speaker 3: It was tragically swept away by a strong river current,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, and he was a guy
Speaker 3: who was known to swim all the time.
Speaker 1: So it was also Glen Glenn Miller, one of the
Speaker 1: most famous musicians at the time of his disappearance. Uh,
Speaker 1: the reality is that the ocean is brutal and is
Speaker 1: enormous can be left, he lost and the like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, there was there was a huge investigation. And
Speaker 1: you made a beautiful point earlier, which is that whenever
Speaker 1: a prominent public figure dies or disappears, whatever the circumstances,
Speaker 1: a certain contingent of the public will have an alternative
Speaker 1: explanation her theory. It doesn't For instance, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: like if who's someone who's super famous. If Neil de
Speaker 1: grass Tyson today, God forbid, slipped and fell on camera
Speaker 1: and like died in that dark lottery of accidental death
Speaker 1: or death by misadventure as you put it, then regardless
Speaker 1: of how much proof there was around the circumstances of
Speaker 1: that demise, there would inevitably be a group of people
Speaker 1: who are like, here's what really happened, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You got to look at the diet cokes
Speaker 1: in the green room and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's true. He was going to let it slip that
Speaker 2: the Earth is actually flat.
Speaker 1: That's why they got him big, big round, get them
Speaker 1: big round. I mean. The Herald Hole story, though, is
Speaker 1: still really troubling because it hasn't like they've never found
Speaker 1: the body, right, habeas corpus ever occurred? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But you know what else? They never found the bodies off?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 2: What's that the shadow extraterrestriels that were chilling in Miami?
Speaker 1: No, they never whence those shadows?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like what's making the shadows?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Maybe we break down that for the context, because I
Speaker 1: know we again we talked about earlier this week. We're
Speaker 1: just hanging out. Uh, but what's the what's the scoop?
Speaker 1: How can we do that in like a headline version?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Shoot, I don't even know all the details, guys. I've
Speaker 2: gotten most of the information from Instagram reels that I
Speaker 2: could not I could not find any confirmation about the facts.
Speaker 2: And then the stuff you can find to confirm is like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: there were some teens at the mall and they had
Speaker 2: an altercation, so fifty cop cars showed up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was apparently fifty teens. Sorry not to
Speaker 3: spoil it, but yeah, tell me no, well, no ten
Speaker 3: foot tall alien at the Miami Galleria what, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a mold. I know they could have used the press.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a video that made you know,
Speaker 3: remember like that those people in the backyard. Wasn't that
Speaker 3: in Florida? And there was exposedly an alien, like a
Speaker 3: glimpse of an alien.
Speaker 1: But there's people in a back But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of those videos, there are.
Speaker 3: And I saw the video for this one, and it's
Speaker 3: overhead shot with all the cop activity, which involves flashing
Speaker 3: blue lights, y'all, which is something that's often heralded that
Speaker 3: are associated with the appearance of extraterrestrials, and there is
Speaker 3: the the detail I can only assume is what people
Speaker 3: are talking about, is this blurry form behind one of
Speaker 3: the flashing blue lights that apparently is nothing more than
Speaker 3: three police officers walking in a line together. But when
Speaker 3: you look at it with the angle of the elevated shot,
Speaker 3: the overhead shot, it's harder to make out what's the
Speaker 3: word I'm looking for kind of orientation, So the side
Speaker 3: by side of them almost appears to be stacked because
Speaker 3: you're seeing it blurred, So it does look like a
Speaker 3: you know, the scale of it's all all wow out
Speaker 3: so you can't quite tell what you're looking at, but
Speaker 3: it does appear to be a large atall form face.
Speaker 1: Out of ours. Yeah, paradolia, right, that's probably right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's from a January eighth, twenty twenty four post on
Speaker 1: x formerly known as Twitter. There there's something I saw
Speaker 1: right now. Actually, forgive me, guys for googling and searching
Speaker 1: while we're while we're on the air, but it looks
Speaker 1: like just earlier today, holy spokes. Yeah, at four five
Speaker 1: pm today, someone came out and said, the Miami Police
Speaker 1: have refuted the allegations that there was an alien invasion.
Speaker 1: So good on you, miamipd.
Speaker 3: The quote specifically, I believe hang on, nothing is being
Speaker 3: with help from the public. No aliens, UFOs or ets.
Speaker 3: No airports were closed, no power out it is I
Speaker 3: love it that they led with no aliens, you haves
Speaker 3: and not the like more practical the response of the
Speaker 3: airports and power outages.
Speaker 2: But of course they're gonna say that, why do you
Speaker 2: need fifty cop cars. I don't care how many teens
Speaker 2: are fighting, there aren't fifty squad cars immediately available unless
Speaker 2: you call like you literally do a calling all cars
Speaker 2: for all of Miami.
Speaker 1: Right, And also let me point out that if it's
Speaker 1: fifty teens and then it's fifty cops, that parent to
Speaker 1: student ratio is way higher than what you would see
Speaker 1: in Miami public schools.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami goes hard, dude, Miami gets lit.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I love Miami. Got a lot
Speaker 1: of contacts in Miami. We're listening to the show right
Speaker 1: now and can continually invite it. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm fro Do when I go there. Everybody's so
Speaker 1: cool and so beautiful, and then I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm like Frodo in the Land of the Elves when
Speaker 1: I go to Miami.
Speaker 3: You know, I thought Frodo was pretty cute. Thanks, man,
Speaker 3: Elijah Wood type fellow, you're a bit of an Elijah
Speaker 3: Would esque figure.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 3: You can hold your own against the elf any day
Speaker 3: of the week. Now, I've never never been to Miami,
Speaker 3: but it does seem like the kind of place that
Speaker 3: Aliens would rock, you know, they'd be like that place
Speaker 3: seems wild. Let's check that out.
Speaker 1: Sure, why not do what we want? It'll be under
Speaker 1: the ocean and you know pretty soon.
Speaker 3: So we always just think of the movie Spring Breakers,
Speaker 3: which is a Florida man kind of situation, and the
Speaker 3: character that James Franco plays somewhat problematically borrowing maybe not problematically,
Speaker 3: well neither Twitter f raft in and of himself may
Speaker 3: be problematic, but borrowing Riff Raff's whole game the rapper,
Speaker 3: and his name of course in the film is Alien,
Speaker 3: which I always thought was kind of funny and ironic.
Speaker 1: Now we do have to we do have to point
Speaker 1: out something that I think you're getting toward there, Matt,
Speaker 1: which is the teams, like the kids in this situation
Speaker 1: are real. It's projected that there was roughly fifty kids.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this again earlier and they were,
Speaker 1: I think, what was it like shooting fireworks at other
Speaker 1: people at the mall. They were doing the thing where
Speaker 1: you go into a small brick and mortar store with
Speaker 1: a big group of people and you sort of count
Speaker 1: on the idea that their maximum staff amount is going
Speaker 1: to be three to four folks, and then you just
Speaker 1: if you go in there with therefore like fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty folks on your side, then you can just grab
Speaker 1: whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that too. I think it's just we're
Speaker 2: in this place now where everything gets muddied so quickly
Speaker 2: because there are so many loud voices on social media
Speaker 2: that get I guess, more attention paid to them than
Speaker 2: even the written article from the journalist who got paid
Speaker 2: a salary to write that and to investigate it and
Speaker 2: make phone calls and find out what's going on. So
Speaker 2: it in my mind, the alien stuff is so much
Speaker 2: more prominent and interesting that I it's almost as though
Speaker 2: my eyes look to that because that's cooler than ohs,
Speaker 2: there are some younger people fighting.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and not just investigative research, investigative journalism.
Speaker 1: It's not just phone calls. It's also digging through, actually
Speaker 1: reading through all sorts of things that are perhaps by
Speaker 1: design not page turners, not fun to read. And like
Speaker 1: the I think you're right. It reminds me of what
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier this week when Davos we
Speaker 1: don't always agree with Davos, folks, when Davos pointed out
Speaker 1: that AI misinformation is a genuine short term threat, and
Speaker 1: this this sort of hall of mirrors that are facing
Speaker 1: each other, reflecting nothing. It creates a feedback loop and
Speaker 1: an echo chamber. What are you what are you going
Speaker 1: to say? You're gonna like if you're the person who
Speaker 1: is trying to get attention in the dopamine casino, are
Speaker 1: you going to go with a headline it says cops
Speaker 1: cracked down on children launching fireworks? Or you're going to
Speaker 1: go with a headline that says aliens of Miami and
Speaker 1: then just cover your ass with a question mark at
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, I yield my time. Sorry, I feel
Speaker 1: you on that now.
Speaker 3: No, you said it all, Ben, you said it all,
Speaker 3: but man, huge thanks to tij In for the excellent topics.
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like we're going to do a
Speaker 3: deep dive episode on the blood transfusion scandal over there
Speaker 3: in Arkansas and looking forward to that one.
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