1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my. 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Name is Nolan. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: super producer, all mission controlled decand most importantly, you are here. 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: And that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: to know. It's Thursday, as the Human Calendar goes these days, folks, 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: which means it's one of our favorite times of the week, 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: the time when we get to hear directly from you, 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to get some great names, 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: some great monikers today. Very excited about that. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: Uh, Ben, really good. Did I ever mention that people 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: sometimes call me the human calendar? You have never that's 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 3: a verse good at telling people exactly what what data 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: is that you No, No, I'm bad at that. It's 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: it's not true. 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: So we're going to hear a bunch of uh. We're 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: going to hear some great topic suggestions. As you know, 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: we love, we love when we get new leads from 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners, We're going to talk about something incredibly important, uh, 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: involving blood that has not been I think been yet 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: the subject of an episode before we do any of that. 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: I know this is a little bit silly because there's 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: so much stuff going on. But guys, remember we were 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: talking about Rebel Moon. 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that award a Humble Farmer documentary about the 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: about them. 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Every ten minutes. It's for them, for the audience to know, 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: and apparently whomever wrote that script, it's important to know 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: that one of those guys is a humble Farmer. And 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: I want to give a very special shout out to 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: one of our fellow conspiracy realists who said, I'll go 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: with that one. 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: You know, I like that I'm only learning about this 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 3: film secondhand, and I'm going to keep it that way 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: just to see what in mental image it conjures. But 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: in my mind, the Humble Farmer is the is the 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: protagonist of the whole story. But that's apparently not even true. 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: No. 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: I figured it was like a come up kind of 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: story that he starts as a humble farmer and then 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: he ends up saving the galaxy. 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: It's about crops because again, so it's interstellar Basel Moon. 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: In Rebel Moon, someone probably read the first half of 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: Save the Cat or something, which is a bible of screenwriting, 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: and then said, okay, as long as every character has 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: a fear, a fear at aspiration, and one defining demographical 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: characteristic their demographic characteristic, then we are good to go. 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: Take that Shakespeare. This our first email today does come 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: from a humble farmer, and it goes this way. This 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: is just a story one to share. I think it 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: is so very well written. As you know, folks, we 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: read every email we get. Here's how it goes, or 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: what's that old joke? I want to hear it? Here 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: it goes. I know that one. Okay, that might have 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: just been one of my weird tennessee young guts. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: That's from an LL cool Jason. 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: It is now you're welcome LL so here it goes. 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Greetings and salutations stuff they don't want you to know. Team. 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: I want to apologize in advance for the length of 64 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: this email, and kudos goes to whomever finishes it in 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: its entirety. Well, kudos to all of us from you. 66 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. When we do read every email 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: we get. I thought you guys like the intro. I 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: would like to start out by sharing my not so 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: short nicknames for the group you are all loving leading 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: on in my head as Matt the Twitter list. Frederick applause. 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Noel only smokes pot in states where it's legal. 72 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Brown, that's funny, it's very true. 73 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Ben definitely not trying to sneak into the DPRK wink Bolin. 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: All right, I'll let it slide. Paul, can we grub 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: hub some Applebee's decands? And Alexis the famous Alexis Jackson 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Jackson applause all around? Can we get an applause to perfect? 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: Just no, says our conspiracy realist. If you are a 78 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: super producer reading this who wasn't included on the list, 79 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: I probably have a nickname for you too. That's just 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: eluding me at the moment, So watch out, Max Williams 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: and Seth and Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yes, and so we 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: get a bit of background from our conspiracy realist here, 83 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: who also has, by the way, granted us permission to 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: paraphrase some of this. So go going through some beautiful pros, 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: we get to the first of two amazing subjects, Love 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: the way right here. This is the story let's get 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: to my ufo uap or Uao experience. It was the 88 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: old year of twenty fourteen. Some comrades and I had 89 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: gathered at a friend's house in the woods for little fire, 90 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: some of mister Adams's finest alee in Washington's Stinkiest Herb editorializing, 91 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: We'll leave you to guess what that means, folks, continuing, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: you should understand this was not a rager, just a 93 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: friendly gathering of ten or so people out in the 94 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: woods of Vermont, twenty five miles away from the nearest 95 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: city and fifty miles from the airport. At one point 96 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I snuck away from the fire to sit on the 97 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: porch and star gaze. Away from the light of the fire. 98 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: While looking up at the stars, I came across an 99 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: orange light. It was moving like a typical satellite light, 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: but was maybe two times bigger and had a sunset 101 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: orange glow to it. I rationalized this in my head 102 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: as maybe being at a different orbit than usual, and 103 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: the light reflecting through the atmosphere weirdly but not out 104 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: of the ordinary. I continued to scan the skies while 105 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this orange light. Eventually I noticed 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: often the distance, but not that far away from the 107 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: orange light. Another light, but this time it was the 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: normal white star like satellite that I'm used to. Now 109 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I want to pause here because I think this is 110 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: an excellent retelling. This is peak storytelling, and I want 111 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: to pass the mic so we can kind of round 112 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: robin this so it's not just like one person talking 113 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: the whole time. Does anybody want to pick up? 114 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: As I continued to monitor these two lights, there were 115 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: two things that became abundantly clear. The first is that 116 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: the white light was moving much faster than the orange light, 117 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: and the second thing was that these two objects were 118 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: moving at a four already five degree angle of each 119 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: other and appeared to be on a path to collide. 120 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: It was at that point I went and gathered the 121 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: group by the fire to show them what I had discovered. 122 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: We all watched in amazement as the two orbs got 123 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: closer and closer until colliding. When the objects met, both 124 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: lights disappeared. We continued to scan the area for a 125 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: few moments, when eventually one white light emerged in the 126 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: same area, but this time it was traveling at a 127 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: ninety degree angle from their previous trajectory and continued traveling 128 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: until it fell off the horizon. 129 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: Everyone in the group was stunned and confused by what 130 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: we just witnessed, except for one of us. While we 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: were all discussing aliens and what we possibly could have seen, 132 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: one person chimed in with, Guys, you're all crazy. It's 133 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: not aliens, probably just a military training exercise we know 134 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: nothing about. I guess there had to be one rational 135 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: person with around it in The group scoured the web 136 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 3: over the next few days, but couldn't find anything about 137 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: training exercises, satellite crashes, or even just other reports of 138 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: the two lights. I know this may not be the 139 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: craziest experience to some, but to most of our group, 140 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 3: it was the weirdest thing we've ever seen in the sky. 141 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Paul, can we get just like whatever is closest to 142 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: the X Files or Twilight Zone theme? That will not 143 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: get a sued perfect So we've got to go to 144 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 1: We've got to go to the very end of this letter. 145 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: After another fantastic description of scientology by the way and 146 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: remote viewing hidden caves stargates write to us about that, 147 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Our pal says, I am not a fan of people 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: choosing their own nickname to me. A nickname is given 149 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: by friends. As I consider all of you my friends, 150 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: I would be privileged if you would come up with 151 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: your nickname for me. But given the spirit of the 152 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: not so great movie I just watched Ellipses, it was 153 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: too dark for me, like all of Snyder's recent movies. 154 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: But for now, you can call me Humble Farmer. Guys, 155 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: we have our own Humble Farmer. Now, yeah, I don't 156 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: have to watch Rebel Moon Part two. We've got Humble 157 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: Farmer at home. 158 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to marinate on a maybe I don't know, No, 159 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: we should do it now, we won't get to it. 160 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: Can we have an alternat nickname that we decide on, 161 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: maybe like light light Bringer, light fearer, light seeker, I 162 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: don't know, the Primethean, that's good. 163 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: The scientology. Yeah, hey, folks, maybe you can write in 164 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: and suggest some nicknames. 165 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: Elron, mother, Hubbard. 166 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: That's good. I like that one too. We also wanted 167 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: to share this one because we get a lot of 168 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: folks who write in and say, hey, I don't have 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: a suggestion for or a new topic, or I'm not 170 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: necessarily reacting to a thing that you said before. Right, 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: We're but I have an experience. I need to share 172 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: something that I cannot explain, And with that in mind, 173 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: we want you to please send us your stories of 174 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: these seemingly inexplicable things. The the idea of unidentified objects 175 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: or phenomena in the sky is much more ubiquitous than 176 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: it may appear. 177 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: I got it. L Ron humble. 178 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: Farmer's humble farter, The fumble farmer would work. If this 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: wasn't such an excellently written email. 180 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: We should also be handled. We should also point out 181 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: that our old friend Brock let us know that he 182 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: comes from a long line of humble humble farmer. Yeah. 183 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: Shout out rock, Yeah, and shout out to the shout 184 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: out to our other conspiracy realists. I think I replied 185 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: today who warned us about per Simmons. Apparently you have 186 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: to be very careful when you eat per Simmons, did 187 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: you guys? Is that us right? 188 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: Isn't that true? 189 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: Or no? 190 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: What's the deal? 191 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that right? 192 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's somewhere back in the old memory banks. 193 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: So this is uh, this is from our pal who 194 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: we're going to call uh Coca Cola, Thank you, Georgia. 195 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: Just to not compromise stuff. Uh, the thing is apparently 196 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: if you eat per simmons when they're unripe on an 197 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: empty stomach, they can form bezo wars in your stomach. 198 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: The a bez of war is like a bunch of 199 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: gunk trapped in stomach. It's partially undigested material. It's also 200 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: very useful in some ritual magic back in the day. 201 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: Is it sort of like, what's that stuff that that 202 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: whales secrete that's so valuable? Amberg and human equivalent? Are 203 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: these pezive words? Can they be harvested and then sold 204 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: on the black market? 205 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious. You know, you can sell a lot of 206 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: stuff on the black market. We've got some stories about 207 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: that on the way there. But with this in mind, 208 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: this is a big thank you to humble farmer. We 209 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: just want to find more reasons to say humble farmer. Uh. 210 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: This is also a call to action, as we would 211 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: say in the business. We want to read more of 212 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: your UFO UAP paranormal stories or things you just can explain. 213 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: If you drive often, if you drive for a living, 214 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: then what's the strangest stuff you've seen on the road. 215 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: If you are out there in the ocean, what's the 216 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: strangest stuff you've seen on or beneath the waves. These 217 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: stories are important. They always make our evening. We love 218 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: to read them. We do not pretend to be the 219 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: experts in terms of evaluating or analyzing this stuff. But 220 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: if you would like to send us photographs or footage 221 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: or audio, we are more than happy to dig in 222 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and give you our take. 223 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: Consider this a call to arms, a call to use 224 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: your arms, or your mouth or your mind man eventually 225 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: maybe to write us about these, these these and any 226 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: other questions you might have. 227 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, call to arms, a call to add to the 228 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: conversation one A three three std WYTK conspiracy at iHeartRadio 229 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: dot com. We'll keep this one brief pause for a 230 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors. Go see if there are any 231 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: UFOs outside, and we'll be back with more messages from you. 232 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: And we're back. I just took a look outside, guys, 233 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: only seeing gray out there. 234 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: Just gray me too days. I blame it dollar blindness. 235 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: But you know, the. 236 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: Clouds, I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell. 237 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: There might be a gene jacket up there somewhere. 238 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Shout out, Jean jacket in the sky. I got you 239 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: that one was talking. 240 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: About the note, yes, sir, Yes, sir. It's honestly my 241 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: favorite depiction, though could be. Okay, uh, here we go, 242 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: We're going to jump to the phone lines. We got 243 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: a message from Zach. 244 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: Well, my name is Zach from Arkansas. I've got something 245 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: that I think they don't want us to know. Back 246 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, a director named Kelly Dudah 247 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: du Da made a film called Factor eight. It was 248 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: about plasma and blood transfusions being taken from the Arkansas 249 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: prison system and being sold internationally. Apparently it's illegal to 250 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: sell them of prison collected blood in the United States, 251 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: but apparently a gray area internationally. Anyways, remembered that the 252 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: Clintons were behind all this because he was a governor 253 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 4: at this time when this was going on, and of 254 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: course the governor is has some control over the prison systems. 255 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: But anyways, back in two thousand and five, Kelly Dudeah 256 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: put out this movie called Factor eight. It is unobtainable. 257 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 4: You cannot I cannot find it anywhere on the internet. 258 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: You can find a trailer for it, which gives quite 259 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: a bit of information but still leaves you wanting to 260 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 4: watch the entire movie. The movie one film was shown 261 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: at film festivals, won some awards. I believe, to my knowledge, 262 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: Kelly good All Tudah is still around and lives in 263 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: Arkansas still. But there are tons of conspiracy and imagination 264 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: just to let go crazy with the the bad stuff 265 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: that went on with this. Lots of people done with pain, 266 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: blood anyways, interesting stuff, and since they don't want us 267 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: to know it, well there we. 268 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Go, guys. Zach's putting us on to a movie and 269 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: an entire topic. I think that may even deserve more 270 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: time that we've got today. But let's get let's knock 271 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: out what we can. Let's give everybody as much info 272 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: as we can. First thing I would say is the 273 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: movie that Zach is referring to is titled Factor the 274 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: Number eight colon the Arkansas Prison blood Scandal. You can 275 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: find an IMDb page for it. You can find a 276 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: couple other pieces written about it online. But as Zach found, 277 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: I could not find a place to either purchase this 278 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: video or even download it in some other way to 279 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: actually view the entire thing. 280 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm with you, Matt, I played the game a bit too, 281 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: because we talked about this off air. There's not even 282 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: a good r maybe path to it. 283 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: There you go, Yes, exactly our Factor eight. Well, we 284 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: couldn't find it, at least to my knowledge, I couldn't 285 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: find it. Did, however, find a few other documentaries that 286 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: are touching on this scandal because it was and is 287 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: such a big deal. If you search for in cold 288 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: Blood Infected Blood scandal documentary, you can find it on 289 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: a YouTube channel titled Factor eight by the way, which 290 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: is a bit confusing for everybody, I think, but this 291 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: is an hour and a half long feature documentary. I 292 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: have not personally watched that one, so I do not 293 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: know what that one is like. You can also find 294 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: longer videos on YouTube from places like Real Stories. There's 295 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: like an hour long documentary on this whole scandal. There's 296 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: all kinds. Basically, there are places for you to watch 297 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: things about this if that is how you want to 298 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: explore it. If you want to read about the topic 299 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: and what occurred, you will also find a ton of resources. 300 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: The one that was I focused on a couple of 301 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: the British reportings on it, because it did a lot 302 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: of this stuff took place in the UK, also took 303 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 2: place in Canada, in parts of Asia as well, and 304 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 2: in different countries there. But it is primarily a UK 305 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: Canada situation, so I'm kind of trusting a bit of 306 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: that to go off the initial like what occurred, and 307 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: I guess them using their official healthcare terminology right with 308 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: the different organizations that were reporting, And it also has 309 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: to do with American pharmaceutical companies. So I was a 310 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: bit nervous about checking out US reporting just because I 311 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: thought there might be I can't believe, but you know 312 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't know if there's just a 313 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: cozy relationship there sometimes, So you know, it's it's interesting. 314 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: That name really rang a bell with me. It's a 315 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: bit of an unusual name. And I did some digging 316 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: in the old memory banks and remembered that this guy 317 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: actually pitched this as a podcast several years ago and 318 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: nothing came of it. And it's such a crazy and 319 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: interesting story. I don't quite know what happened. He seems 320 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: to have ghosted a little bit unusual because it's such 321 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: a fascinating story. There had to have been a reason 322 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: that we didn't do it. I kind of seemed to 323 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: remember that the guy kind of dropped off the map 324 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: a little bit. 325 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: I know nothing about that, guys, but I maybe let's 326 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: jump into the reporting from BBC just to like have 327 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: an understanding based off of what Zach is telling us. 328 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: What does a BBC say about this? They're calling it 329 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: the Blood Inquiry, the Contaminated Blood Inquiry. In fact, you 330 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: can search for what is the Contaminated Blood Inquiry and 331 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: you'll find an article written by Nick Triggle tri gg La. 332 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: That's very wonderful British name. Oh yeah, so I'm going 333 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: to read a bit directly from this article. But ultimately 334 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: what's happening in the nineteen seventies and eighties, the United 335 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: Kingdom is struggling to keep up with this stuff. That 336 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: is it's they call it Factor eight blood caught clotting treatment. 337 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: It is for it is to treat people who have hemophilia, 338 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: so blood disorder of one sort or another. In this case, 339 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: it's the blood is unable to clot properly, so you 340 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: can get treated with this stuff. In this this treatment 341 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: is a blood transfusion where you are actually getting a 342 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: substance let's call it, that's based on blood from a 343 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: donor that then goes into your body and allows your 344 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: body person with hemophilia to clot properly. Okay, so UK 345 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: can't keep up with the demand, so they start importing 346 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: stuff from the United States. Now here's the issue. In 347 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: the US, A lot of the blood supplies that were 348 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: going to US pharmaceutical companies were being donated, and in 349 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: this case a lot of those donors were coming from 350 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: prison systems and several of them, not all of them, obviously, 351 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: but several of those prisoners ended up having contaminated blood 352 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: with either HIV or hepatitis C, and somehow or another, 353 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: those contaminated samples of blood, those donations made it through 354 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: the system at the pharmaceutical company, made it through the system. 355 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 2: Then that went over to the UK and Canada and 356 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: was injected into people via transfusion who did not have 357 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: hepatitis C or HIV. Sure be killed until that moment 358 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: when they received treatment for the thing they needed. It 359 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: was like life saving treatment. Which is just a whole horrifying, 360 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: just a series of events. 361 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: Right. 362 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: The big problem is how did how did those infected 363 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: people get to donate blood? Where was the testing? Where 364 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: was the like the protection? 365 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: Right was their consent? What was the order of operations? Dude? 366 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: They won't let people that have tattoos donate blood, Like there. 367 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: Were people who visited the UK during mad cow disease. 368 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: Right, I was saying, like, you know, there was a 369 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: communication systematic breakdown at some stage of this this event. 370 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,239 Speaker 2: Well, if we're talking seventies and eighties now, remember that's 371 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: a good point. We've only known about HIV for a 372 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: certain amount of time where we were really starting to 373 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: understand it in the mid nineteen eighties, So at that 374 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: time when these donations are going out, maybe there wasn't 375 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: an understanding right of whether or not or how bad 376 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: this would be, what it would be. And also the 377 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: hepatitis the thing we were humans like, science was learning 378 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: about that stuff still, and there was a monetary incentive 379 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: to donate blood. If you were a prisoner, you would 380 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: get paid, right when we're talking about consent, Like what 381 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: in my mind, at least with this story, it wasn't 382 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: the prisoners being forced to donate. It was more like, yeah, 383 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: donate blood, I'm going to get some money. That's the 384 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: way it seems. And this is something that went on 385 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: for quite a while before it was detected, because again, 386 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: when you get that transfusion, you often weren't aware that 387 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: you've been infected with anything for a long time, right, 388 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't until people who receive treatments began to get 389 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: very sick and or die that everyone kind of raised 390 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: the flag and said, hey, there's a problem here, we 391 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: need to investigate. So there is a huge There was 392 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: a huge inquiry not long ago, I think twenty nineteen, 393 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: there was a large public inquiry in the United Kingdom, 394 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: you know, just to gather information. And it's something that 395 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: has it continues to happen right now. Wow, I believe 396 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: there's still it's still ongoing. So we need to do 397 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: a deep dive I think into this, especially the I 398 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 2: guess the processes that went into the donation, the donations 399 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: from the Arkansas prison system in particular. 400 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: Let's do an episode on the blood trade or blood 401 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: donation trade in general. I think right like this, this 402 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: is a real thing, quite possibly a real conspiracy. 403 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 4: You know. 404 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: The conspiratorial aspect, to your point, would be when people 405 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: knew about it, or when institutions knew about it, versus 406 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: when they stopped giving tainted blood to two people, two 407 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: innocent people. And there's gosh, there's such hypocrisy in blood donation. 408 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't too long ago that someone's sexual orientation would 409 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: dictate whether or not they could donate blood. We mentioned 410 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: the mad cow controversy, and you mentioned tattoos as well. No, 411 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: the this twenty nineteen in quary you're talking about matt 412 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Is it following up on the earlier UK inquiry, because yeah, 413 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: a couple. 414 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been ongoing basically since since that time, and things, 415 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: I guess precautions have been put into place. Blood products 416 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: of any sort began to be screened for all types 417 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: of things, like any donated blood that's going to go 418 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: into any product begins getting screened in nineteen ninety one. 419 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: Then by the late nineteen nineties, especially for this treatment 420 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: is factor eight treatment. There's a synthetic option, so you 421 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: didn't actually need human blood donation to make it right, 422 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: which is all good stuff for people suffering from hemophilia 423 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: that need this type of treatment. But it doesn't stop. 424 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't change that several thousand people got infected over 425 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: the course of decades. 426 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: Why is there never news about a blood surplus. It's 427 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: always like in the US, there was just a new 428 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: thing released this week, maybe even yesterday, as we record 429 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: about emergency lack of blood for people who need it, 430 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: Like it's just weird. It's always a shortage. It's never 431 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: a situation where a country says we have so much blood. 432 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: That would be troubling though, right, It would be a. 433 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: Weird headline, now that I say it out loud, you know, 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: like Romania advertises free blood, more like Transylvania. 435 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 3: Am I right? 436 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: We heard the number one holder of blood of what supplies. 437 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: We're kind of known. 438 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: For our blood, having a fire sale of blood. Blood, blood, blood, 439 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: all the blood must go. 440 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: This is a real problem though, right, evidenced by the 441 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: the timeline of investigations and the levels of government into 442 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: which these investigations have risen. 443 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely so. If you want to learn more, 444 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: you can also search the Contaminated Blood Scandal Hemophilia Society. 445 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: That's h A E M O P h I L 446 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: I A society search for that. There's a great write 447 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: up there. Again, this is stuff you can find everywhere 448 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: as well, El Juzira The Guardian if you want to 449 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: learn more about it on your own, But if not, 450 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: we're going to hopefully come back with our findings in 451 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: a full episode shortly. So for now, thank you, Zach. 452 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you. 453 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: And we're back with one more piece of listener mail 454 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 3: mail from you. Yesu, This one comes to us from 455 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: tie Gin. This is a great nickname. You can give 456 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: yourself a nickname. 457 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: It's nice spelled like the seasoning. 458 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: Though no it's Gin. That's the silence D but just 459 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: so you can visualize it. But yeah, humble farmer, we 460 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 3: see you. He's a humble farmer. Hu the boy is he? 461 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: Ever? 462 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 3: This one is a suggestion for a handful of topics 463 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: to look into, and I think it's going to be 464 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 3: fun to chat about the three of these right quick, 465 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: So let's jump in. Hi, guys, you can call me 466 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: tie Jin. Longtime listener, first time writer. First of all, 467 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: you guys have mentioned or talked about immortality and cloning 468 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: not too long ago. I was wondering if you had 469 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: ever read cy teen by C. J. Cherry. There's a 470 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: seemingly silent h at the end of Cherry, but that's 471 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: how I'm going to say it. If not, I highly 472 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: recommend it. It explores cloning and human engineering on a global scale. 473 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 3: It is a very interesting read and makes you consider 474 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: the boons and downfalls of such sciences. I'm going to 475 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: go through all these and then we'll hit them one 476 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: at a time. Secondly, and on a completely different topic, 477 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 3: have you ever covered the disappearance of Harold Holt. He 478 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: was a Prime Minister of Australia who had disappeared while 479 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: in office in nineteen sixty seven. I haven't done much 480 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: research on this, but I'm very curious as to the 481 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: possible circumstances of his disappearance. Lastly, on New Year's Day 482 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: in Miami at the Bayside Marketplace, apparently there was a 483 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: sighting of a ten foot tall alien that caused a 484 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: large panic. I'm going to leave it at that so 485 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: that we can get to the details of that. In 486 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: our conversation. Tai Jen also included some very helpful links 487 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: and signed off. So thanks Tijen, Ben you made an 488 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: expression as though you were familiar with Cyten by CJ. Cherry. 489 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 3: I read a bit about it on the Internet without 490 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: having actually read it, but it sounds like a really 491 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: cool piece of prescient sci fi. 492 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Well has always like to point out 493 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: the good sci fi is always prescient and fiction only 494 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time. I just really appreciated that. 495 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: Shout out, Tijen and quit pro quo clarice as they say, 496 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: shout out to your awesome name. I like your point 497 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: about choosing nickname as well, NOL. And this is that 498 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: these are three great topics. These are three great things 499 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: to explore. I wonder we've talked a little bit about 500 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: Harold Holt. These are also great. No, what's your initial 501 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: reaction when you read this first topic? Oh? 502 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: Just I mean, like I said, I'm not familiar with 503 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: the book, but I'm a huge fan of science fiction 504 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: that gets the future right. And it does seem like 505 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: this citing series or is it a series? Or is 506 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: it just a single book? Does you know? Like I said, 507 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 3: I read some synopsies online. It sounds pretty complex, as 508 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: oftentimes some of these types of novels are. But have 509 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: you read Citeen Ben by C. J. 510 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: Cherry? 511 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I read. I want to if I'm remembering this correctly. 512 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: I want to say it's just the one book. I 513 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: don't think it's a series. But I do remember it 514 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: because it was when it was this golden age in 515 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: used bookstores where you can get any quote unquote genre 516 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: fiction in paperback form for like less than a dollar 517 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: if it was a used book. So I went through 518 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot of sci fi paperbacks at that time. But 519 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: I do think it is. I do think it is 520 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: just the one book. I believe. I picked it up 521 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: because it won a Hugo Award. 522 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, look look at looking it up now, it does 523 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: appear to be just the one book. And Ben, I'm 524 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: with you on the mining thrift stories for you know, 525 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: fantasy and sci fi novels. I actually stumbled upon a 526 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: book called The Wizard's Mole by none other than friend 527 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: of the show and UH and owner of the complaints 528 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: email box, Jonathan Strickland's father, Brad Strickland. Yeah, and I 529 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: haven't read that. Well, it's funny speaking of series versus 530 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: one offs. I texted Jonathan when I was at the bookstore, 531 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: send him a picture of it for lulls, and he responded, 532 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: don't get it. It's the eighth book in a fifteen 533 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: book series. You won't have any idea what's going on. 534 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: Not The Case with Cyteen by CJ. Cherry, which came 535 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: out in nineteen eighty eight, involves a planet that has 536 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: become toxic for humans to live on and the necessity 537 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: to create kind of capsule communities, capsule colonies like the 538 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: biodome kind of situations within the city, and it of 539 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: course involves politics, like a lot of the best science 540 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: fiction does, and when it's done well, it's not as 541 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: snoozy as one might think. I think Star Trek is 542 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: a great example of doing politics in a way that 543 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: is actually very interesting and educational when it comes to 544 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: thinking about the politics of Earth today. But yeah, very 545 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: much so. This involves a lot of human cloning and 546 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: the idea of these womb tanks incubated incubators called womb tanks, 547 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: which I think is a great nomenclature. But I don't 548 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 3: want to give anything away. I actually want to read this. 549 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 3: I may do it as an audiobook on an upcoming trip, 550 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: but yeah, let's move on. Thanks for the recommendation. To 551 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: the second topic, it was about the Prime Minister of Australia, 552 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 3: Harold Holt. I didn't remember this, but Ben you said 553 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: you remember either not necessarily doing a full episode, but 554 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: it may have come up in other research. This kind 555 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: of disappeared suspiciously, or at the very least suddenly during 556 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 3: a swim a swimming expedition, and he was known for 557 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: his love of the swim. He was a big swimmer, 558 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 3: strong swimmer. 559 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: As they say, yes, yes, one of those folks who 560 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: would have gotten their cups and said, you know, I 561 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: wish i'd been bowl on adulphin shout out to shout 562 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: out to folks like trees And as for alien and 563 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: fellow ben down under our Australian listeners, you're you're aware 564 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: of this, and Matt check me here. I think maybe 565 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: it was an Australian listener who tipped us with Harold 566 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: Holt way back in the day. For some reason, I'm 567 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: associating it with our mysterious Disappearances phase a Llah you know, 568 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: dag Hammer, Scold and stuff like that. 569 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah, I'm searching through our meta right now, guys, 570 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: to try and because it sounds so familiar to me. 571 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: I didn't find a full episode on it, and it's flicked through, 572 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's like a cavalcade of where did 573 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: these people go? 574 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: Totally well, you know, because of his his you know, 575 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: notoriety obviously as a prominent politician, I believe he was 576 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 3: pretty well well liked and his reputations being such a 577 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: strong swimmer. This is what of course caused speculation to 578 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: take place, you know, around the nature of his disappearance. 579 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: And I think it was ultimately ruled like death by 580 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 3: a misadventure, one of those kind of things. But there 581 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 3: is a not to make light of the loss of 582 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: a human life. But there was something that I read 583 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 3: in the just a cursory glance through the wiki about 584 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 3: this guy that there was a like a national like 585 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: creation center in Melbourne that was named after him, and 586 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 3: an indoor pool and a lot of a lot of 587 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: Aussi's apparently find that to be a little bit ironic, 588 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 3: don't you think, But that's sort of the point. You know, 589 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: he was known for his love of the water, so 590 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 3: name a pool center after him. 591 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: You know what's funny here, Tijan and Noel and Matt 592 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: and everybody tuning in, is that this very evening as 593 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: we record, not too long ago, someone released a story 594 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: called The Enduring Enigma, Harold Holt's disappearance and the swirl 595 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. The most famous theory, which I think 596 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: it's quoted often. I can't remember if we mentioned this one, 597 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: is that this guy who entered politics at a very 598 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: young age. I think he was in his late twenties. 599 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: He's like twenty seven years old when he enters politics. 600 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: That's right. 601 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: The idea is that the most popular fringe speculation is 602 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: that the entire time he was an OP, he was 603 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: an agent of the Chinese government at that when he 604 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: was swimming, he wasn't on a recreational swim. He was 605 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: instead physically swimming out to meet a submarine from China. 606 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 3: How presumably containing his handlers. 607 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense if you ever had to meet 608 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: a submarine China Australia. 609 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: I'm bad at geography. 610 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: It has to surface right to do anything. 611 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 3: You can't go they pick him up. 612 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: They has to surf, which means, unless things are absolutely fubar, 613 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: you are on a small boat on the way to 614 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: the submarine. That's how those work. 615 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: It's a dinghy sitch, you know. But but the the 616 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: story I heard is that he got pulled out with 617 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 2: a rip current. Basically he was just swimming, you know, 618 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: as a human swims and water and got rid to 619 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: see and that was it. 620 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing with Jeff Buckley, the gorgeous, 621 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: wonderful singer. I say gorgeous, not now referring to his looks, 622 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 3: but he was also a good looking man. But he died. 623 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 3: It was tragically swept away by a strong river current, 624 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: you know, and you know, and he was a guy 625 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 3: who was known to swim all the time. 626 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: So it was also Glen Glenn Miller, one of the 627 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: most famous musicians at the time of his disappearance. Uh, 628 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: the reality is that the ocean is brutal and is 629 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: enormous can be left, he lost and the like, I 630 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: don't know, there was there was a huge investigation. And 631 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: you made a beautiful point earlier, which is that whenever 632 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: a prominent public figure dies or disappears, whatever the circumstances, 633 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: a certain contingent of the public will have an alternative 634 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: explanation her theory. It doesn't For instance, it doesn't matter 635 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: like if who's someone who's super famous. If Neil de 636 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: grass Tyson today, God forbid, slipped and fell on camera 637 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: and like died in that dark lottery of accidental death 638 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: or death by misadventure as you put it, then regardless 639 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: of how much proof there was around the circumstances of 640 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: that demise, there would inevitably be a group of people 641 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: who are like, here's what really happened, you know what 642 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean? You got to look at the diet cokes 643 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: in the green room and stuff like that. 644 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: It's true. He was going to let it slip that 645 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: the Earth is actually flat. 646 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: That's why they got him big, big round, get them 647 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: big round. I mean. The Herald Hole story, though, is 648 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: still really troubling because it hasn't like they've never found 649 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: the body, right, habeas corpus ever occurred? Yeah? 650 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 2: But you know what else? They never found the bodies off? 651 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 4: Guys? 652 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: What's that the shadow extraterrestriels that were chilling in Miami? 653 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: No, they never whence those shadows? 654 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 4: Right? 655 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Like what's making the shadows? 656 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: Uh? 657 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: Maybe we break down that for the context, because I 658 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: know we again we talked about earlier this week. We're 659 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: just hanging out. Uh, but what's the what's the scoop? 660 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: How can we do that in like a headline version? 661 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: Well? 662 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: Shoot, I don't even know all the details, guys. I've 663 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: gotten most of the information from Instagram reels that I 664 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 2: could not I could not find any confirmation about the facts. 665 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 2: And then the stuff you can find to confirm is like, oh, yeah, 666 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 2: there were some teens at the mall and they had 667 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: an altercation, so fifty cop cars showed up. 668 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was apparently fifty teens. Sorry not to 669 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: spoil it, but yeah, tell me no, well, no ten 670 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 3: foot tall alien at the Miami Galleria what, Yeah, it's 671 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 3: a mold. I know they could have used the press. 672 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 3: But you know, there's a video that made you know, 673 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 3: remember like that those people in the backyard. Wasn't that 674 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 3: in Florida? And there was exposedly an alien, like a 675 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 3: glimpse of an alien. 676 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: But there's people in a back But there are a 677 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of those videos, there are. 678 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 3: And I saw the video for this one, and it's 679 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: overhead shot with all the cop activity, which involves flashing 680 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 3: blue lights, y'all, which is something that's often heralded that 681 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: are associated with the appearance of extraterrestrials, and there is 682 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 3: the the detail I can only assume is what people 683 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 3: are talking about, is this blurry form behind one of 684 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 3: the flashing blue lights that apparently is nothing more than 685 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 3: three police officers walking in a line together. But when 686 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 3: you look at it with the angle of the elevated shot, 687 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: the overhead shot, it's harder to make out what's the 688 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 3: word I'm looking for kind of orientation, So the side 689 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: by side of them almost appears to be stacked because 690 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 3: you're seeing it blurred, So it does look like a 691 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 3: you know, the scale of it's all all wow out 692 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: so you can't quite tell what you're looking at, but 693 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 3: it does appear to be a large atall form face. 694 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: Out of ours. Yeah, paradolia, right, that's probably right. Yeah, 695 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: that's from a January eighth, twenty twenty four post on 696 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: x formerly known as Twitter. There there's something I saw 697 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: right now. Actually, forgive me, guys for googling and searching 698 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: while we're while we're on the air, but it looks 699 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,919 Speaker 1: like just earlier today, holy spokes. Yeah, at four five 700 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: pm today, someone came out and said, the Miami Police 701 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: have refuted the allegations that there was an alien invasion. 702 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: So good on you, miamipd. 703 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 3: The quote specifically, I believe hang on, nothing is being 704 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 3: with help from the public. No aliens, UFOs or ets. 705 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 3: No airports were closed, no power out it is I 706 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 3: love it that they led with no aliens, you haves 707 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 3: and not the like more practical the response of the 708 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: airports and power outages. 709 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 2: But of course they're gonna say that, why do you 710 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 2: need fifty cop cars. I don't care how many teens 711 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: are fighting, there aren't fifty squad cars immediately available unless 712 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 2: you call like you literally do a calling all cars 713 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 2: for all of Miami. 714 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: Right, And also let me point out that if it's 715 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: fifty teens and then it's fifty cops, that parent to 716 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: student ratio is way higher than what you would see 717 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: in Miami public schools. 718 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami goes hard, dude, Miami gets lit. 719 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I love Miami. Got a lot 720 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: of contacts in Miami. We're listening to the show right 721 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: now and can continually invite it. But I just feel 722 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: like I'm fro Do when I go there. Everybody's so 723 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: cool and so beautiful, and then I'm like, you know what, 724 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm like Frodo in the Land of the Elves when 725 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: I go to Miami. 726 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 3: You know, I thought Frodo was pretty cute. Thanks, man, 727 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 3: Elijah Wood type fellow, you're a bit of an Elijah 728 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: Would esque figure. 729 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 4: Ben. 730 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 3: You can hold your own against the elf any day 731 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 3: of the week. Now, I've never never been to Miami, 732 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 3: but it does seem like the kind of place that 733 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 3: Aliens would rock, you know, they'd be like that place 734 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 3: seems wild. Let's check that out. 735 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: Sure, why not do what we want? It'll be under 736 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: the ocean and you know pretty soon. 737 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 3: So we always just think of the movie Spring Breakers, 738 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 3: which is a Florida man kind of situation, and the 739 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 3: character that James Franco plays somewhat problematically borrowing maybe not problematically, 740 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 3: well neither Twitter f raft in and of himself may 741 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 3: be problematic, but borrowing Riff Raff's whole game the rapper, 742 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 3: and his name of course in the film is Alien, 743 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 3: which I always thought was kind of funny and ironic. 744 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: Now we do have to we do have to point 745 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: out something that I think you're getting toward there, Matt, 746 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: which is the teams, like the kids in this situation 747 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: are real. It's projected that there was roughly fifty kids. 748 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: We were talking about this again earlier and they were, 749 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I think, what was it like shooting fireworks at other 750 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: people at the mall. They were doing the thing where 751 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: you go into a small brick and mortar store with 752 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: a big group of people and you sort of count 753 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: on the idea that their maximum staff amount is going 754 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: to be three to four folks, and then you just 755 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: if you go in there with therefore like fifteen to 756 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: twenty folks on your side, then you can just grab 757 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: whatever you want. 758 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that too. I think it's just we're 759 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 2: in this place now where everything gets muddied so quickly 760 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 2: because there are so many loud voices on social media 761 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,879 Speaker 2: that get I guess, more attention paid to them than 762 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 2: even the written article from the journalist who got paid 763 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 2: a salary to write that and to investigate it and 764 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 2: make phone calls and find out what's going on. So 765 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 2: it in my mind, the alien stuff is so much 766 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 2: more prominent and interesting that I it's almost as though 767 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 2: my eyes look to that because that's cooler than ohs, 768 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 2: there are some younger people fighting. 769 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and not just investigative research, investigative journalism. 770 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: It's not just phone calls. It's also digging through, actually 771 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: reading through all sorts of things that are perhaps by 772 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: design not page turners, not fun to read. And like 773 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: the I think you're right. It reminds me of what 774 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier this week when Davos we 775 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: don't always agree with Davos, folks, when Davos pointed out 776 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: that AI misinformation is a genuine short term threat, and 777 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: this this sort of hall of mirrors that are facing 778 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 1: each other, reflecting nothing. It creates a feedback loop and 779 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: an echo chamber. What are you what are you going 780 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: to say? You're gonna like if you're the person who 781 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: is trying to get attention in the dopamine casino, are 782 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: you going to go with a headline it says cops 783 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: cracked down on children launching fireworks? Or you're going to 784 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: go with a headline that says aliens of Miami and 785 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: then just cover your ass with a question mark at 786 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, I yield my time. Sorry, I feel 787 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: you on that now. 788 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 3: No, you said it all, Ben, you said it all, 789 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 3: but man, huge thanks to tij In for the excellent topics. 790 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 3: It sounds to me like we're going to do a 791 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 3: deep dive episode on the blood transfusion scandal over there 792 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 3: in Arkansas and looking forward to that one. 793 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: And with that we have much more ahead in coming evenings, folks, 794 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: think so much, do Zach. 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