Speaker 1: This. He's talking Cowboys Dreaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Bryan Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studio. Mick, are you are you
Speaker 1: joining us? I am. I'm with you. He's with us.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go San's headphones today, so I have to
Speaker 1: put him on. Yes you do. He's playing along details
Speaker 1: player brand. I'm glad I'm wearing my my blinder glasses
Speaker 1: today because that ring looks so say my forehead is
Speaker 1: probably today that ring looks extra shiny today. We need
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, we all need to get
Speaker 1: one of those. We need to get one actually. Uh
Speaker 1: you know. Beasley dropped his Hot Fire album over the
Speaker 1: weekend and sent out a tweet yesterday and said, that's
Speaker 1: all I got in the chamber for now. Let's go
Speaker 1: get this super Bowl. There you go. He's football focused.
Speaker 1: I admire people that have a little extra talent to
Speaker 1: do things. It's helpful. Yeah, as a human being. It
Speaker 1: didn't you know. We were listening to it on Saturday evening.
Speaker 1: The album at rookie camp. I was listening with Dave
Speaker 1: and William. What do you think those guys? Dave had
Speaker 1: used the word flow. I guess that's how you describe
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Wide receivers. Got a little flow to him,
Speaker 1: got the hair too, flow? Yeah, so was that description
Speaker 1: of his music? Yeah, that's important. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: have a little flow and so yeah, good for him though. Again,
Speaker 1: I admire people. I amire people who use power tools
Speaker 1: that can, you know, build things. I admire people that
Speaker 1: can do those. You can cook, I can't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: admire that. I'm pretty proud about my ability to cook. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No one's mad that, you know, Dak likes to go
Speaker 1: fishing in the season, but we're all mad abusily for
Speaker 1: writing some heavy rhymes. Are people mad? Is that kind
Speaker 1: of the No? I think he got the top five.
Speaker 1: I think now I'm ten among hip hop and the
Speaker 1: hip hop album I don't know. Yeah, no, it was
Speaker 1: on iTunes. I think did you get a listen, Mick?
Speaker 1: I tried listening when I was working out this morning,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't get it to work good workout music.
Speaker 1: Did you really try or did you just kind of
Speaker 1: have kind of like voting in the Twitter poll like
Speaker 1: I look for it, like Jesus I had it. I
Speaker 1: kept pushing the little arrow going to the rock. Some
Speaker 1: old man in a sauna with a towel around him
Speaker 1: taking a bit. I don't take my phone in the sauna. Okay,
Speaker 1: no more, no more, but no more? Yeah, well, Beasley,
Speaker 1: you know he's ready to rock and roll for OTA's
Speaker 1: starting next Tuesday. But we did have rookie Minicamp over
Speaker 1: the weekend. You brought up being here on Saturday. The
Speaker 1: two day event gave us a little glimpse at some
Speaker 1: of the guys. You know, people obviously looking at the
Speaker 1: first round pick Laton vander ash but there were some
Speaker 1: other guys out there. And the one that really caught
Speaker 1: my eye, at least on Friday was Marquez White, who
Speaker 1: was able to participate from last year. Yeah, yeah, from
Speaker 1: last year. You know, a guy that could help in
Speaker 1: the secondary. We've been looking at it. We've been seeing
Speaker 1: how this is going to all shape out. Of course,
Speaker 1: with the different moves of Byron Jones and things like that.
Speaker 1: Did you guys also look at White and all? Did
Speaker 1: you get a chance. I'll tell you what, Tan, It's
Speaker 1: good eye on your part. What I noticed about that
Speaker 1: group as a whole is they're all the same size.
Speaker 1: The second well, the secondary appears to be and this
Speaker 1: could be very well. The Chris Richard influence here where
Speaker 1: you look at the and all the guys, even the
Speaker 1: rookies they brought in White you mentioned, is in a
Speaker 1: second season here with the team, but they all are
Speaker 1: the same height, same length, same build build. So I
Speaker 1: think this is something that we're going to see going
Speaker 1: for as long as Chris rochard Is is the secondary
Speaker 1: coach here. But I liked what I saw from the group.
Speaker 1: I liked how he was working with him on press
Speaker 1: coverage stuff, the jam with the one hand am, the sink,
Speaker 1: the positioning, how to play the routes. I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of a skill. You know, a lot of times
Speaker 1: these guys use their just their ability and just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay in front. But it takes some technique.
Speaker 1: That's why you know, you get some guys like he had,
Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman wasn't the fastest foot athlete,
Speaker 1: you know, they're in Seattle, but he played excellent technique.
Speaker 1: So if you find a way that you can play.
Speaker 1: And that's what Brandon Carr. Brandon Carr got fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars being a press man corner. So if you learn
Speaker 1: to play technique, you learn to how to jam, to sink,
Speaker 1: and to be able to redirect, I think you can
Speaker 1: go a long way. But I really like what I
Speaker 1: saw overall with the group as far as their size,
Speaker 1: their reach, the range in which they were able to
Speaker 1: play with Mick. You know, last season you talked a
Speaker 1: lot about the offensive line, and of course they added
Speaker 1: the new shiny toy of Connor Williams. Were you happy
Speaker 1: to see him out there doing the left guard? The flexibility?
Speaker 1: What impressed you most about Connor? He's got great feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched him due to the drill yes day where
Speaker 1: they were hopping in the different squares, and he did
Speaker 1: it like he was a wide receiver. He's got great feet,
Speaker 1: great movement. He wants to do this. You can tell
Speaker 1: he's he's all in. So yeah, he'll be a nice addition.
Speaker 1: But again, when they start this thing, he's not going
Speaker 1: to be the first team left guard. When they start
Speaker 1: OTA's you know, he's gonna have to move up. They'll
Speaker 1: give deference to the veterans that have been here, and
Speaker 1: then you got to earn your way. You know the
Speaker 1: thing about the cornerbacks, I like with Chris Richard said
Speaker 1: about playing man and all this stuff. He and the
Speaker 1: guy's being bigger. He said, I want to cause a
Speaker 1: problem at the line of scrimmage. He goes, because if
Speaker 1: I cause a problem at the line of scrimmage as
Speaker 1: a cornerback, that gives the wide receiver something else to
Speaker 1: think about other than just getting it in his route.
Speaker 1: Now he's got to beat me. Now again, you better
Speaker 1: have some ketchup speed because if going to play that
Speaker 1: single safety high coverage, once you get beat, your beat beat.
Speaker 1: So but I like the idea of causing problems on
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage for the wide receiver. Rob I
Speaker 1: was reading your article yesterday. Does anyone loved Chris Rohard
Speaker 1: more than rodmrnelling. I'm not so sure that that's the case.
Speaker 1: I think um Rod said it. He thinks of all
Speaker 1: the moves they've made this offseason, he might be the
Speaker 1: most significant guy. And that's a strong statement when you
Speaker 1: consider about all the things they've done, remaking some of
Speaker 1: the personnel, some of the coaching changes, they've made and
Speaker 1: Brian wrote about a lot of this some interesting drill
Speaker 1: work and technique that we maybe haven't seen before that
Speaker 1: Ben Bloom was doing with the linebackers, that Sanjay Law
Speaker 1: was doing with the wide receivers. But I think I
Speaker 1: think Chris Roschard brings some instant cred and track record
Speaker 1: with what he's done with reference at Richard Sherman Legion
Speaker 1: of Boom. He's got a he's got an it factor.
Speaker 1: That's That's what Rod spoke to each really good at
Speaker 1: connecting with guys. You know, he's an impressive guy when
Speaker 1: you talk to him so well. You got to have
Speaker 1: the personnel and I think Mickey spoke to that too, though.
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to you know, to make
Speaker 1: it fit your scheme. And that's why Byron Jones is
Speaker 1: playing corner. They He actually said when he was scouting
Speaker 1: Byron Jones coming out of the draft, he looked at
Speaker 1: him as a corny thought he'd be perfect for what
Speaker 1: they did in Seattle. Big corner Rangie got speed, got
Speaker 1: catch up speed. But you know it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a transition and the way they
Speaker 1: play and the guys they use back there Brian. When
Speaker 1: you guys were in this actual studio and you're watching
Speaker 1: the war room and you guys were talking about who
Speaker 1: they might pick in the first round, he kind of
Speaker 1: tricked you up because he came into the room with
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli as they were deciding to choose. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people forget that. He has also taken on
Speaker 1: the title as passing game coordinator. Right, how do you
Speaker 1: think he'll impact that, because of course it was ebra
Speaker 1: Flus last year. Yeah, I'd say what I think everything
Speaker 1: that Rob said about Richard is absolutely true. The credibility
Speaker 1: part of it. Players understand, Okay, this guy coached you know,
Speaker 1: outstanding players in Seattle. They had a lot of success.
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to marry the front with
Speaker 1: the secondary, and that's where this really comes into play,
Speaker 1: because Rod Marinelli doesn't like to blitz a lot. But
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to take the front seven
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, if we're gonna blitz here, then we've
Speaker 1: got to play this on the back end, or if
Speaker 1: we're going to play zone coverage, this is what we're
Speaker 1: going to do on the front. You have to be
Speaker 1: able to have that coordination between and Mattie Raflus did
Speaker 1: a really nice job with that. You could tell that
Speaker 1: that Rod Mirnilli really leaned on him a lot. He's
Speaker 1: gonna miss Eberflus, But I think he's got a guy
Speaker 1: in Richard though, again that can bring everybody together. John
Speaker 1: Snyder told me John the GM at Seattle, said, Hey,
Speaker 1: this guy makes players accountable. I think that's really all
Speaker 1: you want from your players. You want ability and accountability,
Speaker 1: and those are the two things I think Chris Richard brings.
Speaker 1: I love the quote that Richard had had about that
Speaker 1: the other day. He said, you know, the big thing
Speaker 1: about the Legion of Boom, what was accountability? And it
Speaker 1: actually was dependability. It was it was okay, yeah, you're accountable.
Speaker 1: Yeah I screwed up. Well, how about being dependable? How
Speaker 1: about not screwing up and not making the same mistake twice?
Speaker 1: And that's yeah. He's gonna hold guys accountable back there.
Speaker 1: And I think that's important because it's a very young group.
Speaker 1: I mean, Byron Jones if he steps in at corner, okay,
Speaker 1: he's a veteran guy, but you got a lot of
Speaker 1: second year guys. I mean, I think there's five guys
Speaker 1: on this roster from last year that are no more
Speaker 1: than two years in the league. Absolutely, So the other
Speaker 1: thing I kind of liked about just kind of how
Speaker 1: he presented things his first time to talk to the media.
Speaker 1: And one of the things you got to remember about him,
Speaker 1: you asked about taking care of the second dary and
Speaker 1: the passing game. Remember he's three years as a defensive coordinating. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he did the whole thing. He did the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So he's your eyes on the linebacker, he's your eyes
Speaker 1: on the secondary safety. He started as a cornerback coach,
Speaker 1: came the defensive back coach, and then became the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator for three years. And you kind of get the
Speaker 1: feeling it. You know, they didn't bring him back just
Speaker 1: because he did a bad job. They were looking to
Speaker 1: get new almost like what happened here. They wanted new voices, right,
Speaker 1: They got rid of him, They got rid of the
Speaker 1: offensive corder, and they got rid of the offensive line coach.
Speaker 1: They kind of cleaned house to start over. And sometimes
Speaker 1: you got to do that to get everybody's attention out there.
Speaker 1: And I think we saw that with these rookies, these
Speaker 1: new coaches. It's like, Okay, the rookies didn't know any different.
Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting to see how the OTAs go
Speaker 1: when they have to step up the bed and blooms
Speaker 1: all of a sudden have a voice. Oh no, absolutely
Speaker 1: a new voice. With Chris Richard, the offensive line coach,
Speaker 1: wasn't there he would at his kids graduation. The comment
Speaker 1: commencement speech. Okay, so, but but you just get a
Speaker 1: feeling that there was a different level of attention, and
Speaker 1: I think we'll see it next week. I was more
Speaker 1: interested in the coaches than I woted the players. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense No, because the players really didn't do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of focused. Okay, what is this guy teaching here?
Speaker 1: What is he trying to The receivers went two days
Speaker 1: without catching a ball. Just gonna say, I think we
Speaker 1: found our new Mike Pope girls over there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Sanjay Law does some some really some stuff to teach
Speaker 1: his balance and route running and things. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think I've been really
Speaker 1: critical about, is give me somebody that could separate, Give
Speaker 1: me route runners, give me guys that go to their
Speaker 1: spots and you know the quarterback can find them. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was amazed, Like two practices and I didn't see
Speaker 1: your receiver catch a ball. I really did, and I
Speaker 1: was like, going, well, this is this is interesting? So
Speaker 1: until Saturday. Until Saturday, Yeah, I mean it was, it was,
Speaker 1: It was. It was. He was all about balance and
Speaker 1: where you need to have your foot and where you
Speaker 1: need to turn and where your weight needs to be
Speaker 1: and all that. So good for him to try and
Speaker 1: get that started very early. I missed Pope like drills.
Speaker 1: You know, we need some more of those now. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know they had the undrafted guys out there as well,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them will see what happens. They
Speaker 1: can all have a chance at training camp. But the
Speaker 1: one that I was looking at, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys agreed, Terry Robinson. He was the true
Speaker 1: safety out there, yeah, and the free safety. To get
Speaker 1: him out there to see what he can do. If
Speaker 1: he can prove himself, I think he has room to grow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I Then there's another one, Tay. I think
Speaker 1: that you did a good job of noticing with Robinson
Speaker 1: this team could use a true free safety. And you
Speaker 1: know he was at Oregon and I had written some
Speaker 1: reports about him at Oregon and how he played there,
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve and you see him play as
Speaker 1: a true guy, and he was doing some nice things
Speaker 1: in the in the in the work that he was
Speaker 1: getting he was actually Jamille Showers and him were working
Speaker 1: together with if you want to call at the ones,
Speaker 1: he was with the first group with vander esh and
Speaker 1: Covington in those guys. So to see him move around.
Speaker 1: Though he's got the lengthy's six two, he's two hundred
Speaker 1: and five pounds, he looks the part and you know
Speaker 1: he could play the part two. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: if if there's a guy and I'll just say it,
Speaker 1: if there's a guy that's an undrafted guy, and this
Speaker 1: team has a great history of having one or two
Speaker 1: of those guys make it make your team. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that I think, looking at his college tape and
Speaker 1: now just kind of just seeing how he's moving around,
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see more in the OTAs and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think he's got a pretty good idea and
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty good fit to play as a
Speaker 1: free safety and a team that needs a free safety.
Speaker 1: The other guy that's and you wrote about him last week,
Speaker 1: I think Cam Kelly from San Diego State, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of guys from San Diego State, but he's a
Speaker 1: you know, he's listed as a corner six two. Again,
Speaker 1: it's another tall, rangy guy. Yeah, everybody at that camp
Speaker 1: was over six feet tall playing in the secondary. And
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe he has some safety traits too,
Speaker 1: four seven guys too, so he might they might have
Speaker 1: to flip him. I kind of thought that they would.
Speaker 1: The guy they moved they moved into to safety was
Speaker 1: from safety to linebacker. It was Kyle Quero from Northwestern.
Speaker 1: You could watch Northwestern tape and he plays as a safety,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys are going to try him. He was
Speaker 1: number forty one as a lineback. Mickey, I got an
Speaker 1: idea for you. You tell me what you think about this. Oh,
Speaker 1: we could have a weekly segment. You guys see what
Speaker 1: we think we got to keep him on this team.
Speaker 1: Marchie and Mickey. Marchie and Mickey. It's a segment waiting
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know what we would be talking
Speaker 1: about yet, but Marchie, I think fits um. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of days of training camp. You're looking
Speaker 1: for some Marchie, Marchie and Mickey come on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know, I did notice forty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quar I didn't do anything. I mean, they were going,
Speaker 1: but I saw his size and his movement. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there was just basically drills, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: I thought it was about time they did this rookie
Speaker 1: mini camp when I didn't want to see guys pull
Speaker 1: hamstrings and sprain ankles and hurt their shoulders diving for passes,
Speaker 1: which you know, you sort of hope they back off
Speaker 1: on the OTA's too. You're you know, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: you're not making the Pro Bowl and the OTA. But
Speaker 1: guys start competing and they're diving for balls they don't
Speaker 1: have shoulder pads on, and you get hurt. That's that's
Speaker 1: a good point. There's two sides of it. They're not
Speaker 1: ready for it. They haven't been working out and they're
Speaker 1: trying to impress everybody, so they're going they're going one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent when they should be going about fifty.
Speaker 1: I heard, I can't remember who did it. One of
Speaker 1: the coaches were yelling and might have been Garrett, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was like, hey, we're going half speed here,
Speaker 1: kind of slow down. Let's let's just get it right. Well,
Speaker 1: and you think about the way these guys trained for
Speaker 1: the draft. It's way different than football at all. It's
Speaker 1: a different conditioning. It's not fair to them to come
Speaker 1: out here and be like, Okay, I know you've been
Speaker 1: doing forty drills for the entire office. He's go ahead
Speaker 1: and do this. So yep, I think Mickey's right. It's
Speaker 1: a good way to kind of transition them back into
Speaker 1: that get used to it. Although when looking at all
Speaker 1: these guys, let's not overlook the obvious. The guy that
Speaker 1: had the two fives on his chest looked like a
Speaker 1: middle linebacker. To me. It was just how the five
Speaker 1: stood out on the front of his jersey. Yea, uh,
Speaker 1: he looks better in a jersey. He looked good in
Speaker 1: a suit, all right. He looked like a football player
Speaker 1: in that that jersey. Next, well, I think that with
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh Again, it's the size, like you mentioned, guys,
Speaker 1: is there. It's deceptive too, but it is it is.
Speaker 1: And the thing about him is, though, let's see how
Speaker 1: he if the instincts. Because I love the guy in coverage.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to help you as one of
Speaker 1: those you know, can he be a three down player.
Speaker 1: I think he's got that kind of ability to be
Speaker 1: a three down player where he's gonna have to it's
Speaker 1: going to be the take on. For as big as
Speaker 1: he is. You do see some times where he gets
Speaker 1: hooked up on blocks and he's got he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to watch. Sean Lee's got to learn from Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee doesn't get blocked because he's have the instincts.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's got the ability, but he's got instincts. He
Speaker 1: knows how to read plays and get away from blocks.
Speaker 1: If Layton vander esh develops that, then you've got You've
Speaker 1: hit on a guy. You've totally hit on a guy.
Speaker 1: The only question I have on when they put on
Speaker 1: the pads, will he be able to consistently get away
Speaker 1: from blocks? That's going to be his The one thing
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Speaker 1: of fan calls and questions today. We're going to take
Speaker 1: our first break. Well, when we come back, we want
Speaker 1: to hear from you guys. I'm already seeing some great tweets.
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Speaker 1: deep dived in over there? All right, Well, you were
Speaker 1: just telling us, Mickey about how great Layton vander ash
Speaker 1: looks in his fifty five jersey. Did he get a
Speaker 1: chance to look at Chris Covington, the guy who ever
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Speaker 1: he looked like he could play linebacker. Might have been
Speaker 1: because he's wearing Hitchin's number. You know. Hitchins was just
Speaker 1: a baller when he was here. But I watched some
Speaker 1: of the Indiana Iowa. Yeah, big ten connection. Uh, he
Speaker 1: had some pop to him. He does drills, he does. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I liked what I saw from He's got length and
Speaker 1: he's got size, and he looks like he's strong. He
Speaker 1: wore number four at at Indiana, which is here here.
Speaker 1: He was a what I would say it was a
Speaker 1: high school quarterback coming in and then they converted him.
Speaker 1: But you're right, Rob and Mickey were saying this, the
Speaker 1: guy's got some pop to his hands. You know, when
Speaker 1: you watch him played Indiana, he was like a kind
Speaker 1: of a run hit linebacker void and get to the football.
Speaker 1: But he but the take on stuff. I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be as good at this, you know,
Speaker 1: can you when you watch like you watch Kyle quar
Speaker 1: Quaro has not doesn't have an idea of being a
Speaker 1: converted safety about how to strike. You know, that's something
Speaker 1: that scouts always talk about the ability to strike and
Speaker 1: extend and and I'll tell you this, Covington's got that.
Speaker 1: He's got that ability to sink his hips, to to
Speaker 1: take those hands pushed through and it's got some pop
Speaker 1: to him. So I was pretty impressed by that. I
Speaker 1: think the I think Mickey's absolutely right about that, Rob
Speaker 1: what he said as well, and go ahead, No, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I want to hold your pull, so
Speaker 1: we don't have to get into all of that. But
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say? Well, I just think maybe
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of an upside factor with him,
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah, um, maybe just from a comfort
Speaker 1: level instinctive because he came to Indiana as a quarterback
Speaker 1: and he actually played. I think some games at quarterback
Speaker 1: is freshman year, so uh maybe he there's still an
Speaker 1: elevation level for him on defense as a linebacker. You know,
Speaker 1: he looks like a linebacker. He doesn't look like a
Speaker 1: quarter Yeah. You you you watch It's seriously, you watch the
Speaker 1: Indiana film and he it's not hard to find number
Speaker 1: four on the field because he is around the ball
Speaker 1: quite a bit and he got a nose for the ball,
Speaker 1: runs really really well. That's something I would you know,
Speaker 1: going back, if you look at my scout report in
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com about him, one of the things
Speaker 1: that the running ability was really really good. I could
Speaker 1: see why they drafted him the way or where they did.
Speaker 1: You're looking for trades, he's got that ability. Yeah. We'll
Speaker 1: get into more rookie talk soon. But a piece of
Speaker 1: news that broke last week about the Cowboys defensive tackle
Speaker 1: Millie Collins, of course a broken left foot. Garrett says
Speaker 1: he expects him to come back for some training camp.
Speaker 1: It just feel bad for the guy. You know, this
Speaker 1: was a guy, Brian. Last year you were kind of
Speaker 1: certainly as a possible Pro Bowl Yeah, sure, guy, And
Speaker 1: it's okay because you know, he showed up in training camp.
Speaker 1: He had a great training camp. I was I was
Speaker 1: really happy about him, guys. And you know, I thought,
Speaker 1: when you watch him, if you could win one out
Speaker 1: of every four rep against Zack Martin, you're doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: And that's what he was doing. He was winning one
Speaker 1: out of every four. And you know, if you talk
Speaker 1: to Zack Martin, Zack Martin saying, hey's the one guy
Speaker 1: that gives me problems, and yeah, he's going through that
Speaker 1: the bag drill. He's making a spin move, he plants
Speaker 1: the left foot and bam, there it goes. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I guess three hundred pound men are not
Speaker 1: made to go through bags and spin and do all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But it's it's a drill they do. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if he's back at health, you're
Speaker 1: ready to go. He doesn't miss games. That's something to
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli said about him. He goes, hey, this guy
Speaker 1: gets hurt, but he doesn't miss games. And but he
Speaker 1: it was unfortunately last year because he did play hurt
Speaker 1: the majority of the season, and I was thinking, thinking, man,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something's up with him. He had a
Speaker 1: stress reaction in that left foot. Yeah, Nick, same same deal.
Speaker 1: He got a clean up surgery in January, and obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a reinjury. I guess as if you want
Speaker 1: to call it, Well, what happened was he? I mean,
Speaker 1: he fractured the fifth meta tarsol, right, So he fractured
Speaker 1: the fifth metatarsol his rookie year on his right foot,
Speaker 1: had the stress fracture his second year on his left foot.
Speaker 1: They did the surgery, he fractured it again. I was
Speaker 1: told that they were fortunate that the screw they put
Speaker 1: in to help with the stress fracture didn't crack. Uh.
Speaker 1: So this time around, Uh, they're thinking about putting a
Speaker 1: bone graph in. They're sort of like they did with
Speaker 1: Dez and and so they're going to be very conservative
Speaker 1: on how soon he comes back. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 1: asked the question about we keep seeing in all these
Speaker 1: fifth metatarsals fracturing shoes. It's like, what's the deal. So
Speaker 1: he he he had the fifth metatarsal in the right
Speaker 1: foot two years ago and the left and left. Dez
Speaker 1: had the fifth right. Terrence Williams dealing with it right now,
Speaker 1: Dez did it? Somebody is somebody else on defense? Uh,
Speaker 1: fractured their fifth metatarsal. And that's the answer I got.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants comfortable shoes, light shoes, but they're not good
Speaker 1: for your structure of your foot to protect it when
Speaker 1: you roll it to the side. They're also saying, the
Speaker 1: way this turf is now too as sticky as it is,
Speaker 1: your shoe hits in the turf and your foot immediately
Speaker 1: slides in the shoe, and so you have where the
Speaker 1: where the violence of the going against the shoe will
Speaker 1: break bones. And it's just stepping. Because wasn't like they're
Speaker 1: doing anything weird. When I fractured mine, mine was stupid
Speaker 1: because I jumped up in the air and I turned
Speaker 1: around to look to see if the ball was out.
Speaker 1: What were you doing playing tennis? Oh? The ball went
Speaker 1: over my head. And so instead of I'd let it
Speaker 1: go right and instead of just coming down, I turned
Speaker 1: around quickly point your finger as out, Mickey, don't don't
Speaker 1: jump up in the air, turned just put your fingers
Speaker 1: straight out. Foot didn't come down flat, and you roll
Speaker 1: it to the side, and I'll tell you what. It's
Speaker 1: a little bone, but boy does it hurt. Well? You
Speaker 1: and your Stansmith's that day by Stanish. By the way,
Speaker 1: those Stan Smiths that you and I used to wear, Yes,
Speaker 1: they're now like one hundred dollars shoes. Back in the
Speaker 1: day they were like eighteen bucks leathers. Wear him out,
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you get another pair, yes, Stan Smith Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams obviously. Um, I don't know if you guys saw
Speaker 1: the awesome photo of him in a tight eye shirt
Speaker 1: wearing his boot. You know, what's his update with his
Speaker 1: foot injury. You know somebody else helped. I just saw
Speaker 1: him walking off the field today. He wasn't He wasn't
Speaker 1: in a booth. I think he was walking. You're probably
Speaker 1: looking at training camp to really get in. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna let him do anything. Yeah, i'd I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if he did a lot this offseason, But they don't
Speaker 1: like week one. That's what they're looking at. And I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a concern there for him on that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think week one is what you
Speaker 1: look at from Ulie Collins too. But I think Mickey
Speaker 1: brought up a good point. This is two surgeries on
Speaker 1: the same foot this year, so I would be tentative
Speaker 1: with timelines with him. I mean, you look at three
Speaker 1: months or whatever. But you gotta make sure that thing
Speaker 1: stays healthy. Yeah, these trainers do a heck of a
Speaker 1: job of putting these guys back together, Doctors, trainers, getting
Speaker 1: him rehab in all. But let's think about this guy's
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. We're gonna get to the end,
Speaker 1: and now we're talking about our guys going to be available.
Speaker 1: You know, is William's going to be available? Is MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins gonna be that's two roster spots right there, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you might have to Okay, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go a little long here, a little long there.
Speaker 1: How many tight ends are gonna keep? How many quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: We think three? So we're already running back, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: now two. You're potentially two in the hole on guys,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to keep on the fifty three, you know,
Speaker 1: because of injuries and stuff. So you don't want to
Speaker 1: go into a season with that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: with that kind of bagging down, you're dragging down your
Speaker 1: roster a little bit. There's a good chance both of
Speaker 1: them may start training camp on pop right, just a
Speaker 1: week so they can get them in condition before they
Speaker 1: say okay, it's time to have football. Absolutely. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at the team and overall your
Speaker 1: knock on wood, like Mickey saying, they're doing the right
Speaker 1: things with Rocky Minning camp, and we're hoping for the best.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys got to listen to yesterday,
Speaker 1: of course, the new Monday Night football commentator Jason Witten
Speaker 1: is on Adam Schefter's podcast and he thinks Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: is going to the Packers. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I talked
Speaker 1: to some folks in Green Bay and did a true story.
Speaker 1: But they drafted they drafted three, Uh, they drafted three
Speaker 1: guys that they're very happy with, the Missouri kid being
Speaker 1: one of them though. So yeah, mister hands more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that he drops the ball too much. Fifth
Speaker 1: or sixth round pick. Yeah, they've got They've got three
Speaker 1: receivers that they're really really happy with. I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that they would be. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna fight through it, Mickey, And you know, the
Speaker 1: San Francisco and New Orleans just make too much sense
Speaker 1: to me right now. You know, it does talks about
Speaker 1: it's still the wounds of going to Green Bay. I
Speaker 1: again talking to Green Bay. Folks, they're happy with their
Speaker 1: young receivers and they've got some veteran guys there. I
Speaker 1: know they got rid of Jordy Nelson and stuff, but
Speaker 1: they're happy with the guys they have. So I just
Speaker 1: don't see him going to Green Bay. I think New
Speaker 1: Orleans San Francisco would be in play. Can't please cut that, miss,
Speaker 1: mister hands hands. Yeah, I thought Baltimore would be a
Speaker 1: great fit. Actually was. Yeah, And like, I don't blame
Speaker 1: him for maybe wanting to bet on himself with a
Speaker 1: one year deal if in fact, okay, they're offering a
Speaker 1: multi year deal only or something. But you know, strong
Speaker 1: head coach, solid quarterback, good organization, you know. But hey,
Speaker 1: if you say in New Orleans, strong head coach, good organization,
Speaker 1: hall of fame quarterback, that might work. I think did
Speaker 1: Sean Pate would have an idea of how to use him.
Speaker 1: I say that, and I think the guy in San
Speaker 1: Francisco would have an idea how to use him. He
Speaker 1: used Julio Jones. If Dez goes to New Orleans, he's
Speaker 1: Marcus Colston. To me, we all remember Marcus Colston and
Speaker 1: how he big receiver didn't have to run a lot
Speaker 1: of routes. Everything was in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Stuff was going on on the outside, but he was
Speaker 1: always work in the middle of the field, between the linebackers,
Speaker 1: over the top of the linebackers, between the safeties, always
Speaker 1: kind of hitting that middle field. What are Dez Bryant's
Speaker 1: best routes? Anything in breaking anything. San Jay Lyle even
Speaker 1: said this about him other day. He says, he an
Speaker 1: elite slant runner, but everything else is a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit shaky. But anything that was
Speaker 1: going inside was going to have a chance. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where Sean Payton would have an idea about him,
Speaker 1: how to use him in that Marcus Colston role of
Speaker 1: a big guy that can work the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: especially if you're not paying him twelve million dollars base salary. Now,
Speaker 1: is that that's appealing to most Yes? Yes, now it's
Speaker 1: got to be appealing to him. Were surprised that Sanjay
Speaker 1: Lyle said he'd never met with Does Bryant while he
Speaker 1: was here. Well, I was just timing wise, Yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, wasn't around right. But
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Does Brian and your Sanjay Lyle,
Speaker 1: don't you say, a big fellow, let me, let's let's
Speaker 1: get together and have some lunch over here at the facility.
Speaker 1: How about if I meet you somewhere and we just
Speaker 1: kind of talk a little bit, right, He said he
Speaker 1: never got a chance to meet with him until the
Speaker 1: very end, until it was already said and done, and
Speaker 1: he was hired in January. Right, Yeah, he was one
Speaker 1: of the first highest. He was one of the first highest. Sure,
Speaker 1: it was sure. It was just surprising to me at
Speaker 1: the time, and they probably made up their mind that
Speaker 1: they were going to do what they were going to.
Speaker 1: If I was Dez, I would have requested, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would have just walked in and say, hey, what's up, coach? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think if you have a new coach,
Speaker 1: you'd want to come in and meet him. Anyway. Myself
Speaker 1: could be on the player, could be on the organization.
Speaker 1: It's two way street. I mean I read something that
Speaker 1: while he was out of the country or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you for three months and two months you do kind
Speaker 1: of get the feeling. I mean, they didn't ultimately make
Speaker 1: the decision till April, but that they were leaning towards
Speaker 1: this way back They told Sanjay Lyle. Here, here's Dez's
Speaker 1: tape evaluate him. He says, okay, elite, slant runner, everything
Speaker 1: else needs to have work to him, And maybe that's
Speaker 1: where they made the determination with that, with that assessment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was more surprised to hear Jason Witten news but
Speaker 1: Dez bryant writings seemed to be on the wall. But
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, just meeting with your coach. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think the thing with with Witton and you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a he's surely he's got some insight. That's
Speaker 1: what's going on. Like Witnes has sources now like he's
Speaker 1: a reporter, I got higher range. It is strange. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think he just looked at it and said, hey,
Speaker 1: green he's trying to find He's trying to find back
Speaker 1: shoulder throwers to him. Yeah, if you talk about you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the teams we've all mentioned. You you
Speaker 1: show up in Green Bay, you're getting one of the
Speaker 1: best of the best. You show up in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: you're getting one of the best of the best. You
Speaker 1: go to San Francisco, you got a shot at a
Speaker 1: guy that could be one of the best of the
Speaker 1: best it's all said and done. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like he's showing up in a place like Arizona where
Speaker 1: they don't have an established quarterback that he well, okay, Bradford,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, you know, yeah, yeah, give me
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna help me elevate my game and to
Speaker 1: try and do that. And I think the places that
Speaker 1: we all mentioned were the ones that make the most sense. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: The only thing I see with Green Bay, though, you
Speaker 1: see some offseason controversy with Aaron Rodgers being mad, he's
Speaker 1: not getting communicated to, you know, he's not hearing from
Speaker 1: the front office about the Jordan Nelson decisions, and then
Speaker 1: of course the whole narrative that's fallen followed Dez is
Speaker 1: the passionate. Yeah, but they've changed, they've changed general managers
Speaker 1: in green Bay. That that that is something that Rogers
Speaker 1: might not have a relationship with with Brian Gudicus how
Speaker 1: he had with Ted Thompson. Just gonna take a little
Speaker 1: time where Brian is going to have to come in
Speaker 1: and say, hey, listen, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Aaron, this
Speaker 1: is what we need to do. I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there was some thought given to about draft
Speaker 1: picks and things like that. They drafted three wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to be a little bit happy about that. Desney,
Speaker 1: So mister hands except all right, Well, the guy fumbled
Speaker 1: the ball through the end zone twice for touchbacks. Okay,
Speaker 1: running in the open field, Missouri problems do mean nothing
Speaker 1: to me right in front of him where I was
Speaker 1: sitting in the state. I'm sorry, Mick. Luis Ortiz has
Speaker 1: a question for you. Guys. We brought up, of course,
Speaker 1: Malik's injuries, and they said, do you think price ash
Speaker 1: Jaheed or my pick d Q? From what I've seen,
Speaker 1: we'll fill in. Uh, you know, Brian, I've talked about
Speaker 1: the q DQ. Who are you? I don't know who
Speaker 1: they're meaning here? And police tell us who DQ is?
Speaker 1: Jehad Ward to Clinton? Uh yeah, the kid from Oklahoma Stake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I forgot his last game. Who he um?
Speaker 1: Jehad Ward's interesting to me. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: the fit is for him in a four to three
Speaker 1: because you look at his build and his body type.
Speaker 1: He's probably more of a you know, a five technique,
Speaker 1: and that's true four, but maybe he can fit in
Speaker 1: as a three technique. Well, actually that's what he played
Speaker 1: at Oakland, but the Cowboys think he's a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Rob Marnoi said this. Rob Marnoi coached him in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and he said he was a tick slow
Speaker 1: coming off the ball, and he goes, then I stuck
Speaker 1: him inside and it was just became natural for him.
Speaker 1: He goes, I guarantee they're gonna play this kid at tackle.
Speaker 1: It too, ninety six pounds, he's a tackle. He's gonna
Speaker 1: play tackle. He's gonna play he's gonna play the three.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try him at the one. Let's always think
Speaker 1: about this guy, as we always bring this up, if
Speaker 1: you have one, if you're one technique with three technique traits,
Speaker 1: they're gonna love you. If you're not. I mean, because
Speaker 1: Hankins was a name that people are throwing what about
Speaker 1: Hankins played the Giants, played the Colts. He does not
Speaker 1: have three technique traits. They're just not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: So don't If you see a guy that has those
Speaker 1: potential traits, then that could be a guy. But they've
Speaker 1: got to figure out what's going on with that with
Speaker 1: the tackle spot because they lost the other day, you know,
Speaker 1: losing us. Yeah, McClain that that that. I think that
Speaker 1: hurt them a little bit. I've probably felt like that
Speaker 1: they were going to have an opportunity there and it
Speaker 1: didn't materialize that way. One year, four million dollars. It
Speaker 1: looks a little like, you know, I mean, when Collins
Speaker 1: was at his absolute best, he was playing with Throll
Speaker 1: McClain next to him, and I kind of thought that
Speaker 1: was going to be a combination we're gonna see also
Speaker 1: with David Irvin playing a little bit inside as well.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately that's not going to be the case. We'll
Speaker 1: get to see him down the road here somewhere in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my understanding was it shouldn't have been about money. One year,
Speaker 1: four million dollars, like it was his choice to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I got the point. I got the feeling
Speaker 1: that they had they were holding him, holding him, holding
Speaker 1: him that he was going to sign and then, but
Speaker 1: the conversation wasn't mutual back and forth. So once they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we know anything done, let's go to Atlanta, and then
Speaker 1: Atlanta just jumped in quickly with what they were able
Speaker 1: to do because he had visited I believe Miami. He
Speaker 1: had also visited San Francisco Dallas, so he took four
Speaker 1: visits and the last one he went to was the
Speaker 1: one he ended up signing. Usually when guys leave the building,
Speaker 1: it's not a great sign. Who was surprising, Alan Herners?
Speaker 1: Get deal, got done? Yeah, after he left, All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's take our funal break here. We will be right
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Speaker 1: we hinted at it. I don't think Mickey has his vote,
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Speaker 1: which late round selection in the Cowboys draft is a sleeper?
Speaker 1: We talked about Chris Covington. We didn't mention Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, crowded group, or the final pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: Both Scarborough out of Bama, first Bama pick they've had
Speaker 1: in seventeen years. I think people know most about Scarborough.
Speaker 1: I think they probably voted. I think people watched enough
Speaker 1: Alabama tape and they see this, this tank running the
Speaker 1: football wearing number nine, so I think they probably would
Speaker 1: vote for him. He does look like he could have
Speaker 1: been out there with vander esh over the weekend linebackers.
Speaker 1: For sure. I didn't realize Wilson's numbers were so high.
Speaker 1: Press absolutely absolutely, I voted for Covington just from the
Speaker 1: eyeball test. Fair well, Brian's right bow. Scarborough fifty eight percent, although, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta find a way because Zeke's gonna play ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of the snaps, and Rod Smith's the guy
Speaker 1: they like, and Tavon Austin might be a running back
Speaker 1: up We're not sure. And Neil might be your fullback,
Speaker 1: but hey he might. He's gonna have to. If he's
Speaker 1: gonna make the team, he's got to play special teams.
Speaker 1: And I guess most true, most Alabama guys do play
Speaker 1: special teams. I don't know how involved he was in
Speaker 1: that when he was there. Um he's a backup running
Speaker 1: back when he was there. Actually he's big. Could he
Speaker 1: be your next Keith Smith? I mean, I know they're
Speaker 1: kind of doing this experiment with with Louis Neil, but
Speaker 1: the body time can move Louis Neil back to tackle
Speaker 1: because of the injuries. Okay, so we're looking at ye
Speaker 1: any bodies, well they need a nose tackle. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I need you out there. I'll say this though, Scarborough.
Speaker 1: Scarborough is going to get every Kerry in preseason. Just
Speaker 1: get ready for that. But I think he's going to
Speaker 1: have to figure out a couple of things. Like Rob said,
Speaker 1: he actually they put him at left wing on the
Speaker 1: punt team, and I think that's a good start, just
Speaker 1: to say, okay, young man, you can't take a rest
Speaker 1: during I'm sure at Alabama he was over there by
Speaker 1: the water cooler, you know, having a laugh and a
Speaker 1: glass of water while the guys went through special teams.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to play special teams. I feel
Speaker 1: like though that he's going to have to develop a
Speaker 1: little bit better catching the football, I you know, being
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent with the hands the pass block,
Speaker 1: and he's going to have to learn how to do that.
Speaker 1: That's something he never really did at Alabama. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to develop those two things. But if he's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the forty six make this football team, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to play special teams. And the quicker they
Speaker 1: can get him acclimated to that, and the quicker they
Speaker 1: can see how he's gonna function in that, the better
Speaker 1: off we'll know. We'll know, like after the second preseason game,
Speaker 1: whether he's gonna make this football team or not. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, we will Gary Gary Brown had two guys
Speaker 1: to coach for three days. Yeah. The other guy's pretty
Speaker 1: big too. Now yeah Troy running back as a chun
Speaker 1: It's Chun. Yeah, yeah, Jordan Chun. Those are big boys now,
Speaker 1: yeah schun Is I mean Sun When you watch him
Speaker 1: at Troy, Now there's a guy that you hand him
Speaker 1: the football. Always say this about backs that they're square looking.
Speaker 1: When he hits the hole, hits it with some power.
Speaker 1: But he tore up my LSU Tigers running the football
Speaker 1: there this year. You know, physical and LSU is supposed
Speaker 1: to have a good defense, and he was running through tacklers.
Speaker 1: He was being physical and all that. You know, there's
Speaker 1: another guy to kind of keep an eye on it.
Speaker 1: You know, this team, I said it earlier, this team
Speaker 1: has a history of having undrafted free agents make it.
Speaker 1: And you know, he might be a guy that if
Speaker 1: he if he does well enough in some certain roles,
Speaker 1: if he in fact does play special teams, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he makes it and Bo Scarborough doesn't make it.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I left Mike White off the pole. Tayause
Speaker 1: looks like Blake Silverthorne looks exactly like Blake Silverthorne, like
Speaker 1: a six five Blake Silverthorne or form producer. Great guy,
Speaker 1: but he we have a good feeling about him. I
Speaker 1: think making this football team and being a guy they
Speaker 1: can develop like White. Yeah, I mean you can look.
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't see a lot, but you can
Speaker 1: tell the ball. He's got zip on on the ball.
Speaker 1: I think he's got some poise. Just kind of being
Speaker 1: around him a little bit, he seems like a you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that can make a transition. We'll see you
Speaker 1: know how to answer questions. Yeah, that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I mean, quarterbacks like the way part of the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: got to know how to handle himself. But you know,
Speaker 1: we'll find out more as we go along. All right,
Speaker 1: you're talking about answering tions. I thought Dalton Schultz did
Speaker 1: a good job. You listen to his interview. He's obviously
Speaker 1: getting the million questions about Jason Witton handles it like
Speaker 1: a pro. But I liked what I was seeing what
Speaker 1: he was able to do out there, just kind of
Speaker 1: his body, his movement. I think you guys, look at
Speaker 1: the guys that have come out of Stanford. It's an
Speaker 1: obvious tight end university as you'd call it. But sure,
Speaker 1: I think he's ready to do something and he could
Speaker 1: help lenahand Linahan hasn't had a chance to really work
Speaker 1: with a new tight end in a long time. This
Speaker 1: is my hot Ti Rico, this is my hot take.
Speaker 1: He will be your starter opening day. Dalton Schultz will
Speaker 1: be the starter opening day. I haven't seen anything, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't argue with that. Yeah, I mean we haven't
Speaker 1: seen him play foot. Well, they might open up and
Speaker 1: might open up in three. Why exactly, But I have
Speaker 1: a feeling when we get when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: we get the opening day, you will have a rookie
Speaker 1: starter at tight end, and Dalton Schultz, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: definitely see that. I think Swain probably his experience gives
Speaker 1: him makes him probably the most competition for that spot.
Speaker 1: But the transition, Hey mentioned Stanford, not only are they
Speaker 1: good at producing tight ends, the system is very very
Speaker 1: similar to this one. What they him to pro it's
Speaker 1: a pro scheme is what it is there with my guys.
Speaker 1: So the transition, the transition for him is not very still.
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is to be an in
Speaker 1: line why you have to have the ability to stick
Speaker 1: your nose in there and block. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like they're saying, Okay, listen, we're gonna make you
Speaker 1: a flexed or detached player. Now you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: block like Jason Winton. No, he already understands how he
Speaker 1: has to block defensive ends. When you have courage enough
Speaker 1: to block defensive ends in college football, you can block
Speaker 1: defensive ends in pro football. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz I think he's got the ability. I think
Speaker 1: he's got the athletic ability. I think he's got the temperament.
Speaker 1: The Stanford kids might be just really really smart, you
Speaker 1: know all that, but but they are tough. David Shaw
Speaker 1: recruits tough players. That's why always thought like, if somebody
Speaker 1: who's next head coach National Football League? David Shaw? Where
Speaker 1: David Shaw learned from Harball? Well, his dad was a
Speaker 1: pro coach, chapter right, but harball toughness. The forty nine
Speaker 1: ers haven't been the same since Harball left there. That
Speaker 1: was a tough, hard nosed football team. So David Shaw
Speaker 1: the same kind of guy. He recruits players that way. Again,
Speaker 1: BookSmart kids, smart on the field, they're tough, they're athletic.
Speaker 1: He'll be a great fit for this organization. All I
Speaker 1: gotta do is listen to Jason Garrett answered questions about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jason usually doesn't tip his hand, but you can
Speaker 1: tell sure he thinks this kid can be a complete
Speaker 1: tight end. He can be a better receiver than they
Speaker 1: utilized a man. Absolutely at Stanford. Plus, Stanford's had some
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the past that would have used him better.
Speaker 1: The last couple of years, though they've struggled to have
Speaker 1: some consistency at the position. They've had some injuries, guys
Speaker 1: have been knocked around, but they've had some guys like
Speaker 1: Hogan was a quarterback they had there for a while.
Speaker 1: Guy through the ball really really well. If if Hogan
Speaker 1: had played with this kid, I think you'd have seen
Speaker 1: him have some success. Plus, I like what his major was, science,
Speaker 1: technology or technology science. He wants to develop video games.
Speaker 1: He said, he's a big gamer. Yeah, and he said
Speaker 1: that the thing that he hated about video games is
Speaker 1: when he played him losing. No, they were always the
Speaker 1: foot like doing the football games. The guys were always
Speaker 1: better than him. Yeah, he said, he used to make
Speaker 1: me mad. Yeah, so well good. I mean, Plexity Sports
Speaker 1: is your new home. He just depends which side of
Speaker 1: the building do you want to see. We'll see how
Speaker 1: those shakes out with the kid at you know, Gil
Speaker 1: Brandt and I were talking about, you know, the guy
Speaker 1: that ended up Goddard. It ended up in the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles have had a pretty good ye
Speaker 1: had a pretty good run of tight ends. But it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see which which one because I think
Speaker 1: that Schultz is a more complete tight end, but Dallas
Speaker 1: Goddard is not. A bad player. I know some people
Speaker 1: were there was like some second round tight ends that
Speaker 1: Dallas Shirley could have that the Cowboys could have considered.
Speaker 1: But they kind of had their eye on this guy.
Speaker 1: They really really did. From the from what Mickey's saying,
Speaker 1: from the complete aspect of in line, why pass catcher,
Speaker 1: tough guy, staying in block, do whatever you have to do. Guy.
Speaker 1: I know you guys don't have Nate Newton on this
Speaker 1: show anymore. He's on hanging with the boys. But if
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be on the show, he would be very upset.
Speaker 1: We have yet to bring up Dorn's Armstrong's name, because
Speaker 1: he has called him his pet cat of this draft,
Speaker 1: were you able to see anything, I know we're talking
Speaker 1: about a basic walk through practice. Yeah, Horn's Armstrong, the
Speaker 1: guy out of Kansas. Yeah, and I'll answer sixty three,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty nine pounds. When I watched him
Speaker 1: play at Kansas, he was two hundred and forty five pounds,
Speaker 1: and I would never I mean, he physically doesn't look
Speaker 1: sloppy out there at all. You think, Okay's fourteen pounds,
Speaker 1: he's overweight. No, this guy is really really strong too.
Speaker 1: One of the drills. I like what he was doing
Speaker 1: is they had a drill where they're trying to squeeze,
Speaker 1: you know, like you're on the you're on the edge
Speaker 1: and you have to squeeze the hole. And so I
Speaker 1: mean extending an arm and then into the chest of
Speaker 1: the blocker and pushing it down to squeeze the hole.
Speaker 1: And he had Leon Lett and he had leon Lett
Speaker 1: going backwards, and leon was trying to sit and but
Speaker 1: you know, Armstrong was just kept working in back, working
Speaker 1: and back working in back and I'm thinking, Okay, the
Speaker 1: guy's got a little upper body strength to him, the
Speaker 1: long arm guy. The best thing about this kid is
Speaker 1: and at Kansas he played with violence. I mean you
Speaker 1: watch him rush the passer. He was relentless. I mean
Speaker 1: he people try and block him. It's swat, swim, it's grab, pull,
Speaker 1: it's slap, it's I mean, he was always on the move.
Speaker 1: The way he played no And you know there's some
Speaker 1: guys that will avoid and get you know, real small
Speaker 1: and turning all that this guy could chase from the
Speaker 1: backside to disruptive in the pocket. He's physical. They were
Speaker 1: going up in the third round. They weren't trying to
Speaker 1: trade back in for the safety more who we all thought.
Speaker 1: We were watching the draft on and full, We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get back in for to various more. No,
Speaker 1: it was Armstrong. They were trying to get back into
Speaker 1: the draft four and then they said, Okay, let's let
Speaker 1: this thing ride, and they let it ride and they
Speaker 1: got him in the fourth round. We'll see if it
Speaker 1: if it all works out for him, but they were
Speaker 1: really really happy to get the kid. I just saw,
Speaker 1: like I say, the upper body power from him pushing
Speaker 1: it was pretty impressive. Absolutely, he's sort of like Covington.
Speaker 1: He passed the eye test. Yes, now let's see what
Speaker 1: you do. He's a good looking kid. Football. Seventy looks
Speaker 1: like he can do it. Change that number when Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna give him seventy four, right, No one
Speaker 1: has that. No one should, No, no one should. There
Speaker 1: are a few numbers that should. Just eighty two goes
Speaker 1: away now for a while, maybe forever. Yeah, maybe for
Speaker 1: a while too. I think it's probably gonna arrest that one.
Speaker 1: I can see eighty eight coming back one day, but
Speaker 1: it's just not probably at the Lake Tay when that happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they got to be careful because those eighties you
Speaker 1: start using them, I know, and receivers and have a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys in the teens. Hate to see a
Speaker 1: lot of wide receivers with teen numbers. And I think
Speaker 1: that's so weird that coventeen wore four. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: weird to see the college numbers. Yeah, quarterback, he just
Speaker 1: kept it. Yeah, it is weird. So you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see the guys out there. We won't get a chance
Speaker 1: to really look at ots until Wednesday. Yeah, every Wednesday
Speaker 1: from every every Wednesday will have an opportunity starting next week.
Speaker 1: Starting next week, right right, we'll be able to do that.
Speaker 1: And then of course the three day mini camp and
Speaker 1: then followed with Cowboys you yeah, you out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what. The thing, it's always funny, we I
Speaker 1: know people are ready for this because then we're not
Speaker 1: because we just kind of keep working. It seems like
Speaker 1: it gets closer and closer and closer. But when you
Speaker 1: get to this point, now it's going to start being
Speaker 1: training camp or be getting on a plane. Taylor be
Speaker 1: talking about Toby standing on the tarmact just sweating through
Speaker 1: a dress, talking about oh hey, here's so and so
Speaker 1: getting on the plane. You're so and so getting on
Speaker 1: the plane. You know, it's almost time, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Getting hot. Yeah, it gets you get to that June,
Speaker 1: that middle of June, and you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it might be four weeks, but it feels like four days,
Speaker 1: you know, when you do. I know everybody out there
Speaker 1: is ready for the season to start and all that,
Speaker 1: but folks, please just let us take a month off here.
Speaker 1: Let us let us just take a month off July. Yeah. Please,
Speaker 1: just let us go away, and I promise you will
Speaker 1: come back, will be better than ever. Please. Daniel says
Speaker 1: Bow is going to prove Brian wrong big time. Which way,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It might be an Alabama Fam special
Speaker 1: teams guy. Yeah, I hope. No, I'm not against Bow.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, I don't quite. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just been pointing out there's a reason why he was
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick. Let's be honest. You know, there's
Speaker 1: other backs that are more The Wildly kid from Iowa
Speaker 1: was a far more talented overall player than him, you know,
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not against the kid. There's see
Speaker 1: what he's gonna to do to make this football team.
Speaker 1: There's no illusions about what he is. And he described
Speaker 1: himself draft weekend. He's a bruiser, He's a Dallas Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit you in the mouth. Running back he
Speaker 1: is not. But in the in the in the line
Speaker 1: of alb Look at the Look at the number of
Speaker 1: touches he has as compared to Alabama running backs throughout
Speaker 1: history that have all that have all played in this league.
Speaker 1: Richardson and the kid down in uh in New Orleans
Speaker 1: and all that Ingram. Look at the history of those guys.
Speaker 1: He has the least amount of touches of all those guys.
Speaker 1: So the reason he was two hundred and something draft choice.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that. You know, I'm not against
Speaker 1: the kid. I'm just telling you what his potential, what
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do to make this team. I
Speaker 1: hope he I hope he proves I hope all these
Speaker 1: kids prove me wrong. I don't j Yeah. Plus, they
Speaker 1: know everything they need to know about him, Saban and Garrett.
Speaker 1: I think that's why they drafted him. I think that's
Speaker 1: why they took him. Yeah, first time Jason has done that.
Speaker 1: Draft a Saban guy. But Yeah, he's got They got
Speaker 1: the book on all the Sabama guys for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Mickey Ramone wants to know quickly, what is
Speaker 1: your prediction on the starting old line, starting old line
Speaker 1: left or right? Well, Williams is gonna win that job
Speaker 1: left guard. Yeah, yeah, see will Lele Collins stays where
Speaker 1: he wants and Cameron Frons your swing tackle, Collins Martin, Frederick,
Speaker 1: Williams Smith, and he told us that's where he's working
Speaker 1: so far as that. Yeah, Carl Williams, he's a straight
Speaker 1: focused guy. Yes, you know, if you talked to him,
Speaker 1: you're talking about good interview answers. He's just right there,
Speaker 1: perfect perfect team for him to play on with the
Speaker 1: way as a young guy stepping in with all those
Speaker 1: all pros on this team. And you know what the
Speaker 1: good thing is, he knows it. Yep, he respects, not
Speaker 1: like he's coming in trying to big time and everybody.
Speaker 1: He realized it's all and not to use the word cliche,
Speaker 1: but it's a privilege to play between Tyrant Smith and
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. That will help him so much. If things
Speaker 1: start to go a little bad for a couple of plays,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's got those guys kind of
Speaker 1: picking up his slack. There's nothing wrong with having those
Speaker 1: two guys and helping him out and double team blocks
Speaker 1: and you know, scoop blocks and things like that. They'll
Speaker 1: they'll get the kids. We have to remember he's transitioning.
Speaker 1: He was a tackle, so now he's moving inside. And
Speaker 1: and Frederick asked answered the question about what's Oh no,
Speaker 1: Martin did the transition from guarding tackle going inside? And
Speaker 1: he goes, it's just the fact that you're going to
Speaker 1: have somebody bull rushing you every plate. They're coming after
Speaker 1: you physically every plate. There's no finesse inside. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong and Connor William saw each other a lot
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, he did. He gave up one sack
Speaker 1: in his career, and I believe it was the Dorn's
Speaker 1: Armstrong one sack. That's a great stat. And how did
Speaker 1: you find that out? I heard it from somebody. I'm
Speaker 1: not taking credit for that one, but yeah, someone said
Speaker 1: the one sack he had they gave up was to Armstrong.
Speaker 1: It's like a Dane Brugler stat. Maybe, Yeah, I said
Speaker 1: that Texas, Yeah might yeah, yeah, all right, Well, thank
Speaker 1: you guys, for joining us today. Another great episode with
Speaker 1: these guys just bringing you the knowledge. Will have much
Speaker 1: more than you. Guys have a Chris Covington feature this week.
Speaker 1: We do, Kurtis, stay doing that. We will see you
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