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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day we bring

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Speaker 1: things we try to do here in Bloomberg Radio, particularly

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Speaker 1: during this pandemic, is to talk to CEOs from different

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Speaker 1: parts of the economy, different parts of the world to

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Speaker 1: see how their businesses have been impacted by COVID UH

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Speaker 1: and how they're adapting. Today, we're going to chat with

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Speaker 1: Ronan Samuel. He's the CEO of corn It Digital, based

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Speaker 1: in Israel. Corner Digital manufacturers digital inkjet printers. The printers

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Speaker 1: to cloth thrown and thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: here again. You know, years, like I'm sure many other

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Speaker 1: businesses around the world have been really impacted by COVID.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get a sense of how it impacted

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Speaker 1: your company and and kind of how your positions here

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Speaker 1: as the world begins to reopen. First of all, pleasure

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Speaker 1: to be to be with all of you. UM. So UM,

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Speaker 1: you know we have we are playing in the UH.

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Speaker 1: In the textile industry and the technical industry is the

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Speaker 1: second most polluted industry in the world after the oil industry.

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Speaker 1: It's actually there's a huge consumption of water UM. And

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Speaker 1: there's about thirty percent of four that are being produced

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Speaker 1: and the textile industry has to move into most sustainable

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Speaker 1: the e commerce and the ecommerce today is representing like

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not just e commerce, right Runnan. We

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Speaker 1: A self expression is very important. Nobody wants to wear

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