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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nor are

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Speaker 2: you with you, Billy Duran with us? Billy, what aspect

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Speaker 2: of paleontology do you find the most fascinating?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's kind of a tough one because it's all

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Speaker 4: to me. To me, it's also exciting, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the big things for me besides

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Speaker 4: just the discovery, you know, finding these incredible animals, these

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Speaker 4: animals that are just almost only out of our imagination

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Speaker 4: with the exception of the bones who were trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out what they look like, and our imaginations can

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Speaker 4: just go crazy. And you mentioned, you know, movies like

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Speaker 4: Jurassic Park that do it such a great job of

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Speaker 4: putting bringing that to light before our eyes. But you know,

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Speaker 4: it brings me back to an incident I had, or

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say it was a moment, I had more

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Speaker 4: of a moment. This was many years ago. I was

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Speaker 4: on a national geographic expedition. I was an Escalonia National

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Speaker 4: Monument and I was with the Denver Museum and Nature

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Speaker 4: and Science at the time, and I came across a

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Speaker 4: dinosaur as a horned dinosaur, so it would have looked

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Speaker 4: a lot like a triceratops the big three hole horns,

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Speaker 4: but this one was it was likely a pentaceratops, which

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Speaker 4: means it had five horns, so it had one on

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Speaker 4: each cheek in addition to the three over.

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Speaker 3: Two on the brow, and then one on the nose.

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Speaker 4: But one of the most magical thing, and it was

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Speaker 4: a big animal. And this one would have been about

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Speaker 4: the size of an elephant. So the head was, you know,

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Speaker 4: seven feet long. It took us eventually about a year

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Speaker 4: and a half to take the head out, which is

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Speaker 4: sitting in the Denver Museum now, which is really exciting.

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Speaker 4: But there was a moment where I was by myself

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Speaker 4: working on this animal that I had found myself. I

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Speaker 4: found it, and it was a whole team that helped

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Speaker 4: excavate it. But the day I found it, I kind

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Speaker 4: of stumbled across it. But in the days following there

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Speaker 4: was a moment where I was up digging on this animal, digging.

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Speaker 3: On the head.

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Speaker 4: And we're about fifty miles from any kind of civilization

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Speaker 4: and the bad lands of Utah, there's nothing as far

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Speaker 4: as you can see, and It's just me on this

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Speaker 4: hillside and I'm digging the dirt, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: I move the dirt aside, and I'm looking at the

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Speaker 4: left side of this animal's face, and I'm staring at

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Speaker 4: this big eye socket. It would have been a eyeball, yeahball,

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Speaker 4: probably would have been about the size of an orange

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Speaker 4: or maybe a smaller grapefruit. But I'm staring at this

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Speaker 4: big empty eye socket on the side of the skull.

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Speaker 4: And it's me by myself in the sunny, hot day,

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Speaker 4: with the wind blowing, totally quiet, and I had this

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Speaker 4: moment where I thought, this animal has been sitting here

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Speaker 4: for seventy six million years. That's the age of the

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Speaker 4: rock layers we're working in. And I'm the first, not

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Speaker 4: just the first person, but the first living thing to

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Speaker 4: come in touch with this animal since it died. And

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Speaker 4: also the sun is now shining on it for the

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Speaker 4: first time in seventy six million years, so I'm now

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Speaker 4: I am now part of this animal's entire story. So

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Speaker 4: in that moment, I get a kind of mikes. The

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Speaker 4: hair on my neck, you know, go up, just telling it,

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Speaker 4: because it was such a moment where I realize palely

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Speaker 4: intolligent to me, and fossilhoning a dinosaur hunting to me,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a real it's a real time machine.

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Speaker 4: I'm now part of that animal's entire story, and I

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Speaker 4: just crossed eons at time in a moment by brushing

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Speaker 4: first time. So for as far as aspects of dinosaur

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Speaker 4: hunting and paleontology, that's one that's huge for me, that

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Speaker 4: that that like supersedes all kinds of like human and science,

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Speaker 4: where it becomes this almost ethereal thing where you've just

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Speaker 4: this animal and be part of its story. So that

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Speaker 4: that's a big one for me. Is that kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy, you mentioned the asteroid impact of sixty five

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Speaker 2: million years ago, which supposedly wiped out the dinosaurs.

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Speaker 4: Did it wiped out the big ones?

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Speaker 4: I wiped out all. I wiped out, you know, the

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Speaker 4: non avian dinosaurs, the big giant long next at that time,

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Speaker 4: the animals like Argentinosaurus that would have been one hundred

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Speaker 4: the region of Patagonia and Argentina. But for the most part,

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Speaker 4: it wiped out yeah, pretty much everything. And in fact,

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Speaker 4: that asteroid impact George, A lot of.

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Speaker 3: People don't realize it.

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Speaker 4: It wiped out somewhere around eighty to eighty five percent

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Speaker 4: you name it, and we're talking about eighty to eighty

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Speaker 4: most incredible things to think about the asteroid impact is

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Speaker 4: that the changes that it that it caused, that it instilled,

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Speaker 4: it incurred, were changes that prior to that took tens

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Speaker 4: of millions of years to occur. You talk about something

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Speaker 4: right around two hundred million years ago. That took tens

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Speaker 4: of millions of years for that that massive change to occur,

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Speaker 4: and that event also wiped out eighty to eighty five

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Speaker 4: on Earth. That took tens of millions of years, but

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Speaker 4: the asteroid, those changes happen in hours, in hours and days.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about changes that just devastated, devastated the Earth.

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Speaker 4: They've been doing a lot of research lately in the

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Speaker 4: last ten or fifteen years, drilling down into the impact

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Speaker 4: crater that's been in Yucatan Peninsula, and it would have

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Speaker 4: been literally hell on Earth when that thing hit. I

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Speaker 4: mean to give people an idea how big this asteroid was.

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Speaker 4: It was so big it was basically the size of

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Speaker 4: Mount Everest or Manhattan Island. And to put in perspective

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Speaker 4: in that way, if you're driving, you're flying in a

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Speaker 4: cruising altitude and you see the Earth way down below,

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Speaker 4: as that asteroid was coming in and the very front

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Speaker 4: it was as high as that commercial airliner. And when

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Speaker 4: that thing hit, it had the devastating explosive power of it.

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Speaker 4: Some scientists will say ten billions, some will say more

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Speaker 4: than that, but ten billion Hiroshima atomic bombs in an instant,

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Speaker 4: not million billion, ten billion horoshima atomic bombs in an instant,

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Speaker 4: So everything within six hundred mile was vaporized in a

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Speaker 4: seven to eight hundred miles per hour, moving in every direction.

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Speaker 4: The fallout from all the all the dirt and rock

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Speaker 4: the explosion was so powerful it didn't just.

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Speaker 3: Throw it up in the air like a firecracker poof.

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Speaker 4: It actually blew that material into outer space, out of

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Speaker 4: so it thread out to like a giant blanket around

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Speaker 4: three days of that asteroid impact, the entire Earth was

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Speaker 3: It all occurred in just a matter of hours and days.

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Speaker 4: So that would have been an absolutely horrible, horrible event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was devastating to It was literally the worst the

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Speaker 4: worst day for nature, for life on Earth at that point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy, is it possible that asteroid was even bigger

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Speaker 2: and it broke up a little bit.

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Speaker 4: That's there's a recent Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a

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Speaker 4: recent story. I read not long ago, and I want

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Speaker 4: Where they found another another impact crater, and they think

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Speaker 4: had a sister, had a sibling asteroid that was much smaller,

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Speaker 4: They think that might have come in days to weeks earlier,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd a palaeontologists even nowhere to start digging to

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Speaker 4: That's a great that's a great question. You know, here

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Speaker 4: in Colorado, here in the Rocky Mountains, it's so visible

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Speaker 4: your listeners have seen those those lines of rock, those

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Speaker 4: layers of geologic sediment right there in the rocks, right

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Speaker 4: there in the mountains, right along the sides of the roads.

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Speaker 4: And in essence, what those are is there are volumes

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Speaker 4: of encyclopedias is what you're looking at. And so when

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Speaker 4: you have an idea of what layer you're in, you're

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Speaker 3: Of what's going to be in those layers.

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Speaker 4: And we have to thank one hundred hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: Of the hard work laying all this out.

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Speaker 4: So once you see those layers, once you're in the

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Speaker 4: right layer, you kind of just look. I call it

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Speaker 4: the ultimate, the ultimate treasure hunt. You know, go on

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Speaker 4: a hike and it's the ultimate treasure hunt to see

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Speaker 4: if you can find these pieces of the prehistoric past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about your dinosaur museum.

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Speaker 4: Ah, the museum that is that has been a real

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Speaker 4: passion for about three years, will be actually three years

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Speaker 4: old June twenty fifth. The museum at Dinosaur Junction is

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Speaker 4: in Edwards, Colorado.

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Speaker 3: We are an official five oh one.

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Speaker 4: C three nonprofit. We are an Eagle County museum. And honestly,

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Speaker 4: it came about because I've been just blessed with finding

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Speaker 4: so many things. I know that sounds funny, but I

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Speaker 4: have found so many remains of so many different dinosaurs,

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Speaker 4: probably thirteen or fourteen to this point here in Eagle County.

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Speaker 4: And that doesn't even include crocodiles and sharks and turtles

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Speaker 4: and other things. So many things I've come across here

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Speaker 4: was giving me one of these Oh you want to

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Speaker 4: find some dinosaurs, Well here you go. Now you got

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Speaker 2: Are we still finding remnants of animals we never even

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, they're finding like as I mentioned earlier, they're finding

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