Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
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Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl, you can sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn McQueen's Drama Queens. Alright, you guys.
Speaker 1: This is episode twenty one, titled Believing Song. It originally
Speaker 1: aired May fourth, two thousand four. This was a whopper, friends.
Speaker 1: The synopsis is just just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: Lucas is shop to learn that Dan once asked Karen
Speaker 1: for joint custody of Lucas when he was a baby. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Peyton panics after Nicky kidnaps Jake's baby while she's babysitting.
Speaker 1: And this synopsis doesn't even touch on the huge, big
Speaker 1: perverted elephant in the room, which is the porn plot.
Speaker 1: They didn't want anybody not tuning in because the word
Speaker 1: porn was in the street in the caption, so they
Speaker 1: just decided to remove that story. I'm sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't want the parents to know exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Can't let them know we're normalizing porn for their teenage daughters.
Speaker 1: That'd be crazy. In let's talk about all the other
Speaker 1: stuff first, because the porn is gonna take a long time,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna make people wait for the porn of
Speaker 1: it all. Just hold on horses, So we take notes, right,
Speaker 1: and my very I've got a whole note file from
Speaker 1: the top of the episode was where the hell is
Speaker 1: Karen's family? Yeah, what's up with that? Fans have brought
Speaker 1: this up as she's having this conversation about what was
Speaker 1: going through her head at eighteen and how Dan. You know,
Speaker 1: she was having to save Lucas from Dan. It's just like,
Speaker 1: where's her mom and dad? Because they would have been
Speaker 1: in the thick of that decision making process as well.
Speaker 1: And do we ever change that? They just never show.
Speaker 1: I don't remember ever meeting Karen's parents, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't remember an explanation either did they die or
Speaker 1: they just horrendous people and she didn't want them in
Speaker 1: her life, I mean, because they obviously lived in Tree
Speaker 1: Hill because she grew up there. And it's weird that
Speaker 1: a that a girl, you know, the obviously Karen's storyline
Speaker 1: is she got knocked up in high school. She had
Speaker 1: this baby at seventeen or eighteen years old? Where is
Speaker 1: her family? Yeah? Because really they be involved? Right? Well
Speaker 1: do we Jake? Jake Chielski talks a lot about his
Speaker 1: parents and his parents helping him with Jenny. But do
Speaker 1: we ever meet Jake's parents either, because they're working like
Speaker 1: three jobs a piece, were using? Okay, but hold on,
Speaker 1: then that gives us a little bit of liberty here.
Speaker 1: If we're going to cast Karen's parents, who do we
Speaker 1: cast as like Lucas's grandparents Karen's parents? Like? Such a
Speaker 1: good question. He's got like strong Irish vibes, like Moira,
Speaker 1: like Brendan Gleeson. He would have been he would have
Speaker 1: been around at that time, the Gleeson Um. Yeah, Brian.
Speaker 1: What's his name on succession? The patriarch on succession? What
Speaker 1: is his name? So good? He's so good? I keep
Speaker 1: what I'm drawing a blank. You know who I love
Speaker 1: for every mom character ever is Becky Ann Baker. She
Speaker 1: played the Mom and Freaks and Geeks, and she was
Speaker 1: the mom on Um Girls, and she's like the mom
Speaker 1: and everything and the TV show that I did with
Speaker 1: Sarah Wayne Kelly's um down in Savannah, Georgia. She played
Speaker 1: the mom and I geeked out really hard and she's
Speaker 1: got like the red hair and it's like, all shucks, mom.
Speaker 1: And I can see Karen coming from someone Sue were
Speaker 1: kind like that, you know, someone who's like I love
Speaker 1: the mom game. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I could see
Speaker 1: that too. Or like a civil shepherd. Civil shepherd's older
Speaker 1: than Moira. That's a great storyline, would be amazing, Like
Speaker 1: the reason Moira is not talking to her mother is
Speaker 1: because she's a Jessica Lang or a civil Shepherd. So
Speaker 1: great Brian Cox from Succession of Guys. I would faint,
Speaker 1: like my ringside match, whatever cage match, boxing fight, whatever
Speaker 1: sort thing. Mine would be to watch Jessica Lang and
Speaker 1: Morrick Kelly act together. Boom. Yeah, I gotta know what
Speaker 1: that side of the family is, vapor. We just never
Speaker 1: never find out. Well, Lucas doesn't seem too can learned
Speaker 1: with it since he's deciding to go off with Keith
Speaker 1: by the end of the episode, which is a really
Speaker 1: big deal. And I saw Chad really performed that scene
Speaker 1: well because it could have He could have played the
Speaker 1: whole arc very differently, where he was angry with her
Speaker 1: for lying and then decides to go with Keith, almost
Speaker 1: out of retaliation for carrinsment. But yeah, but I love
Speaker 1: that he didn't play it that way and that it
Speaker 1: was out of you know, he was trying to really
Speaker 1: break it to her gently and be kind and oh god,
Speaker 1: you could see how much pain she was in when
Speaker 1: he said that. Yeah, you could tell that it hurts.
Speaker 1: And what I loved about the way he did it too,
Speaker 1: is he started with his own stuff. You know, he
Speaker 1: was talking obviously and um, what was the word we
Speaker 1: were using? He was like, he was sort of alluding
Speaker 1: to something with Peyton, But oh yeah, it was such
Speaker 1: a weird conversation. I'm gonna make some changes tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see it before I did it, That's like what.
Speaker 1: But then but then when he goes to see Karen
Speaker 1: and Keith, he opens with seeing things from her perspective
Speaker 1: and how sometimes you really need to figure out how
Speaker 1: to undo your mistakes and that he needs to do
Speaker 1: that and that he's not of the person that he's
Speaker 1: been behaving as recently, and that's such a beautiful omission
Speaker 1: of fault fallibility and the fact that we not only
Speaker 1: see it in Lucas in this episode, but we really
Speaker 1: see it for the first time in Karen. We've never
Speaker 1: seen Karen screw up before ever. I mean, she's been
Speaker 1: like a martyr, you guys. Yeah, we saw her party
Speaker 1: a little bit, but we haven't seen her really admit it.
Speaker 1: So you know what I really felt for and and
Speaker 1: there was such good acting in those emotional scenes for
Speaker 1: Chad doing all the stuff Lucas had to do. But
Speaker 1: I really felt for Chad and for James because they
Speaker 1: had to run in this entire episode prints. They were
Speaker 1: running with Waite plates, they were running in the streets
Speaker 1: doing all those push ups. Oh, you guys. Workout scenes
Speaker 1: are the worst because they're like a minute long in
Speaker 1: the episode, but they take like eight hours to film.
Speaker 1: It's it's like workout scenes and eating scenes are kind
Speaker 1: of on par because either way or just exhausted by
Speaker 1: the end of it, I'm done. It does suck because
Speaker 1: you have to do it from so many different camera angles,
Speaker 1: which means that you're sprinting. You know, if they see
Speaker 1: it on on TV once you're doing it like thirty
Speaker 1: times in every setup. No, we didn't have to do
Speaker 1: that for the cheerleading. Thank god, thank god. They were
Speaker 1: really good together. Chad and Moira play so well together,
Speaker 1: and you can see Chad's deep respect for her on
Speaker 1: camera because a is big time. I know from working
Speaker 1: with him that he would cry on my coverage. The
Speaker 1: camera wouldn't even be pointed at him. He would be
Speaker 1: emoting just so that I could also do my performance.
Speaker 1: And so I see the kind of that that reciprocity
Speaker 1: in his scenes with Moira. And that's an important thing
Speaker 1: for us to have learned in season one and us
Speaker 1: to have experienced from our older acting counterparts in season one,
Speaker 1: because it's set the tone for us as the show
Speaker 1: went on, like, oh, this is how you show up
Speaker 1: for one another. And for him to be able to
Speaker 1: do all this heavy lifting emotionally with Moira, I feel
Speaker 1: like I lucked out down the road because we got
Speaker 1: to have similar like parenting conversations and season six um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they play so nicely together and they really do.
Speaker 1: In the last episode, he gets caught slutting it up.
Speaker 1: What did hold on? What did Brooks say? He outslutted
Speaker 1: them both of us, so good, that's right. I think
Speaker 1: that a little throwaway line just he outslet into both
Speaker 1: of us. He sure did. He got caught. And so
Speaker 1: this idea that Dan Scott was once a good boy
Speaker 1: that went down a dark path, his wheels are turned
Speaker 1: in this whole episode like, oh my god, is that
Speaker 1: where I'm headed? Well? And he's getting more and more opportunity.
Speaker 1: Lucas is to witness the dynamic of Dan and Nathan,
Speaker 1: and what a hard thing that must be to hold
Speaker 1: up that mirror and say, what parts of Dan Scott
Speaker 1: are in me? What parts of that man who is
Speaker 1: a bully and a brute and who who steam rules
Speaker 1: the people he claims to love? Am I like him?
Speaker 1: Am I? You have to? You have to ask yourself
Speaker 1: that those questions about nature versus nurture, And I think
Speaker 1: we all ask ourselves those questions as we're growing into
Speaker 1: adults and trying to figure out who are we? Who
Speaker 1: am I? Where where does this habit come from? I mean,
Speaker 1: there are so many things that are in a family
Speaker 1: lineage that get us down through generations without anyone nurturing
Speaker 1: it into them. It's just there, totally unrelated to our show,
Speaker 1: But oh my god, and I worked with us a
Speaker 1: fabulous makeup artist last year and I won't say who,
Speaker 1: but her story is so good and she tells everyone,
Speaker 1: so I'll just keep her name private. But she found
Speaker 1: out last year she's our age and found out she
Speaker 1: has a secret sister she never knew about. And her
Speaker 1: secret sister lives in Australia and is also a makeup artist.
Speaker 1: Get out of town and that's right. And when they met,
Speaker 1: they were just like, oh my god, this is wait,
Speaker 1: there's something in there's something in us, like we do
Speaker 1: the same job and we never knew each other. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It makes sense to me that you
Speaker 1: could look at the person whose jeans you share and
Speaker 1: go how much of me is me? And how much
Speaker 1: of me is you? Well sure? And the idea that
Speaker 1: Dan wanted him Lucas He says some things towards the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode that really made me sad, because
Speaker 1: it seemed like he felt responsibility for Dan going toxic,
Speaker 1: Like had I only been in his life, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten so hardened against Karen or it was almost
Speaker 1: like he was worried that the rejection that Dan dealt
Speaker 1: with when Karen was like that's okay, hard pass what
Speaker 1: sent him down his ugly path um and kids do that.
Speaker 1: Kids will always find a way to blame themselves. That's
Speaker 1: the thing I think is interesting because when we were
Speaker 1: watching the episode, we were like, God, that's way too
Speaker 1: much for a kid to take on. But it makes
Speaker 1: sense because as a kid, you often think if something
Speaker 1: bad has happened that you're involved in, it must be
Speaker 1: your fault. And what I think is really interesting is
Speaker 1: for us now as adults to watch it and go, oh,
Speaker 1: if Dan hadn't been a dickhead, he would have said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to win in court. Let me prove myself,
Speaker 1: let me show up, let me anyway, let me show
Speaker 1: up anyway. Yeah. But instead he went on the war path.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to see him in this moment in
Speaker 1: this episode because as Paul plays him, it's like his
Speaker 1: his eighteen years of a war path has slammed him
Speaker 1: into a wall. Because he sees Nathan and Lucas bonding genuinely,
Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch. It's so fun. It's so fun,
Speaker 1: but it is interesting to see how much it upsets
Speaker 1: him and even White he calls him out on it. God,
Speaker 1: very is so good when he laughs at Paul, I
Speaker 1: just have twiggle in his eye. I loved all the
Speaker 1: chess playing between those characters and all the adults. There
Speaker 1: was some chess happening in this episode. It was really
Speaker 1: fun to see, and I was really happy to see
Speaker 1: Brooke and Peyton back together again, you know, as Nathan
Speaker 1: and Lucas were spending time to other and becoming friends.
Speaker 1: There was some really nice bonding happening there. I'm so
Speaker 1: my son is mystified by them all. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Gus is actually ever spent time in
Speaker 1: a mall before. Um. I mean, we live in a
Speaker 1: really small town, so it's not like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of malls at our disposal. But for him, when he
Speaker 1: sees it, it automatically takes him to like a vintage place.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's where kids used to go, which is horrible.
Speaker 1: Kids kids still go to malls? Is that like a
Speaker 1: thing that people still do? Just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: actually got to walk around and see who you see?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys. On our last episode, Emmanuel
Speaker 1: was telling us that would hurt. What kids in Canada
Speaker 1: would do is park parties. Which do you know about
Speaker 1: this park parties? We hadn't really heard about this. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in Pasadena, you had you had park parties. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, god, we have like parking lot parties. You'd
Speaker 1: like go to the Rose Bowl and hang out in
Speaker 1: the parking lot at night. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I don't know what they do. Now.
Speaker 1: What was your shop at the mall? What was your
Speaker 1: favorite shop? Oh? I wanted to be cool enough to visit,
Speaker 1: to visit Hot Topic all the time, but I just
Speaker 1: went in there. I was like, what am I going
Speaker 1: to do with these fish net stockings? I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with that. I was really into, Like, god, guys,
Speaker 1: think about it. When we were in like junior high
Speaker 1: in high school, wet Seal always had glittering like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were allowed to shop them like
Speaker 1: on strict supervision. The body works, Oh my god, like
Speaker 1: orange sickle man. Okay, So when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I've told you before, I was in love with this
Speaker 1: boy for like ever. He's my best friend and the
Speaker 1: day of graduation he was having a graduation party, which
Speaker 1: it was not invited to. Okay from my heart, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna cyberstock him later. Joy you're gonna give us
Speaker 1: his name. But I was determined to kiss him before
Speaker 1: high school was over because I didn't love with him,
Speaker 1: so I know, so I went, I had. I had
Speaker 1: gone to bath and body Works in the mall, and
Speaker 1: I had gotten some sort of like summer berry chapstick,
Speaker 1: and you better believe I smothered my lips and yeah, god, bless,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I like had I think I had
Speaker 1: somebody dropped me off or drive me, like when maybe
Speaker 1: one of my parents, I don't know, somebody drove me
Speaker 1: over there and I rang the doorbell and he came out,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was so weird because I
Speaker 1: was like, clearly, I'm not supposed to be here because
Speaker 1: you didn't invite me, which I was too nervous or
Speaker 1: not to like, I was just too insecure to ask
Speaker 1: like what, like yeah, at this age and like the
Speaker 1: man watching invite merry party, I thought best. But but
Speaker 1: you know, back then, I don't know. I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't really like me, he's just putting up with me,
Speaker 1: so this is his party. I gotta give him his space.
Speaker 1: I mean, I still have no idea why it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but I remember ringing the doorbell at all. Guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not bothered. It's okay. Everything's fine now, guys. I'm not
Speaker 1: scarred for life. It's just paid to process trauma for decades. Friends,
Speaker 1: we're still doing it. But I kissed him on his
Speaker 1: front porch. I kissed him. I kissed him. I totally
Speaker 1: kissed him on his front porch. But did you warn
Speaker 1: him or did you just go in for it? I
Speaker 1: just was like a congratulations, and guy just went in
Speaker 1: for it. I made the move. He got a mouthful
Speaker 1: of berry flavored wax. I'm sure and you know. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, he said thank you. Every person
Speaker 1: we kissed, she'd say thank you. I agree, that's right.
Speaker 1: Damn it you god, heartbreaking story. I want to fistfight
Speaker 1: this person. Listen, if you've still got your berry lip gloss,
Speaker 1: I'll kiss the sh out of you. I think that
Speaker 1: that is adorable. And main movie on the hot topic
Speaker 1: and wet seal in the mall ring the doorbell, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I were were the hell out of some
Speaker 1: hot topic. In fact, I continued to wear hot topic
Speaker 1: while we were on this show. Like other people had
Speaker 1: stylists and would like go to show rooms and like
Speaker 1: borrow pretty clothes and literally for the teen people, like
Speaker 1: the Teen Choice Awards, and also for some other party
Speaker 1: I went to. I went and got close at Hot
Speaker 1: Topic and on the red carpet, they asked, They're like,
Speaker 1: what are you wearing? And my manager about pete her
Speaker 1: pants when I was like hot topic, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: like that. I'm that older lady that would probably still
Speaker 1: weird those from Hot Okay, but speaking of the mall, Hillary,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with kids, do you did you freak
Speaker 1: out a little bit still when you go to the
Speaker 1: mall or maybe when Gus was younger, or if you
Speaker 1: just go with George, do you get a little freaked
Speaker 1: out that if you turn around to like smell some
Speaker 1: perfumes and he's in a steeler. I am going to
Speaker 1: level with you. I hate my performance in this episode
Speaker 1: of like oh No, where's Jenny, because clearly I'm not
Speaker 1: a mother in the well, like well, we filmed this
Speaker 1: and I was like acting scared is so dumb. I
Speaker 1: hate it. It's like so fake, not good at it.
Speaker 1: I could act the hell out of that scene right now,
Speaker 1: because the trauma of having a child disappear even for
Speaker 1: like two seconds. It's like this internal thing that happens
Speaker 1: to you where it makes youre like butt pucker and
Speaker 1: your blood run hold and you're just like yeah and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't take my kids to crowd and
Speaker 1: plays um because they're too cute. Someone was gonna take them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna walk. I mean, I just I just train.
Speaker 1: I just train her. It's like, listen, if somebody tries
Speaker 1: to steal you, kick and scream as loud as you
Speaker 1: possibly can, and I run her through scenarios like what
Speaker 1: if somebody comes up to you in a public place
Speaker 1: with a knife and they're like, come with me, kid
Speaker 1: or else? Dab you? Like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You know? We like we talk about. Is that what
Speaker 1: you're talking about in the car on the way to school? Okay, Henny,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do today today. It's like acting, but for safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean my parents made us do drills. Yeah, minded
Speaker 1: too hardcore? Yeah? Sure? Remember do you guys remember in
Speaker 1: a rush Hour the Jackie Chan Chris Tucker movie with
Speaker 1: that little girl gets kidnapped and she made her watch
Speaker 1: that and screw. Yeah. I was like, you see what
Speaker 1: this little girl is doing, that's what you do? So crazy?
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, no, the mall thing is scary.
Speaker 1: But Sofia, do you remember that day of shooting in
Speaker 1: the mall with Baby Jenny, Because I just remember like
Speaker 1: having to pretend to be scared, and then when they
Speaker 1: would yell cut, we'd have to be all like fun
Speaker 1: with everyone walking around, you know, so they didn't think
Speaker 1: that we were pretentious, and so the duality of feelings
Speaker 1: that day was just like that was a really crowded mall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's actually I've learned it's really hard when you're
Speaker 1: working in a public place to be able to protect
Speaker 1: the energy that you need for the scene. Because you're
Speaker 1: right you cut, everyone assumes like I want I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go tough to you. Now I'm gonna And it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to pretend a baby was kidnapped, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of can't. I can't. I can't be cheery and
Speaker 1: then be traumatized and then be cheery. And it's like
Speaker 1: it's psychological torture. And I remember feeling really really self
Speaker 1: conscious whenever we had to do any very emotional scene
Speaker 1: in the mall. I was like, I do feel safe
Speaker 1: doing this? Yeah? I need cry. And we had a
Speaker 1: real baby and like you don't want to start crying,
Speaker 1: Like Grace was such a good baby. And you can
Speaker 1: see she never looks into lens. She always looks to
Speaker 1: like whoever the coverage is going to like amazing could work?
Speaker 1: It is actually because it's always the baby in the scene.
Speaker 1: That's like looking up at the boom microphone and you're like, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I do? Like, I love not only
Speaker 1: that she was such a good baby to work with
Speaker 1: because we were babies ourselves, but I have what got
Speaker 1: us to the mall That scene of you and me
Speaker 1: in the morning on the quad when when Lucas comes
Speaker 1: up and tries to talk to Peyton and she's like no,
Speaker 1: and then you come and join me and we both
Speaker 1: in perfect sink throw this look back over our left shoulders,
Speaker 1: like what And I was like, oh, the girls are back.
Speaker 1: It was just exactly great way to team up with
Speaker 1: a girl. I did. It was at summer camp. Okay,
Speaker 1: so okay, this is my favorite. I went to summer
Speaker 1: camp and there was another girl in our acting program
Speaker 1: that was in alpha. We were both alpha's and we
Speaker 1: didn't know how we felt about one another. So I
Speaker 1: started kissing this boy, and next thing I know, she
Speaker 1: pulls me aside and she's like, you kissing Matt And
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, She's like, I'm kissing Matt. And
Speaker 1: so at lunch the next day, she sat down with
Speaker 1: him at lunch and they were having a conversation. And
Speaker 1: then I sat down with him at lunch and I
Speaker 1: just casually said like, what's up, Amy, Uh, you know, sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt. I just wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to Matt because we were making out last night and
Speaker 1: we had the whole thing planned. And she stood up
Speaker 1: and was like, wait, you two have been kissing, And
Speaker 1: I was like, of course, are you too, kissing? The
Speaker 1: whole cafeteria like stops and this boy is about to
Speaker 1: piss his hand. Arts camp friends, the entire arts camp
Speaker 1: was aware that he was two time in the both
Speaker 1: of us. So then at the talent show at the
Speaker 1: end of the week, which we did at the end
Speaker 1: of the week every week, like the dancers acted out
Speaker 1: the scenario like people, I was saying songs about it.
Speaker 1: She had not performed. Cell Blocked Tango used his real name.
Speaker 1: Good that bastard never cheated on a girl ever again.
Speaker 1: But humiliation lation a bonding experience because in um, in
Speaker 1: another world, I would have vilified her, you know, just like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's after the guy that I'm kissing. But to team
Speaker 1: up with another chick and be like, no, actually he's
Speaker 1: the bad guy. He's the one that's playing the both
Speaker 1: of us and knows exactly what he's doing. It was
Speaker 1: an important life lesson. Always check in with your girls,
Speaker 1: check in with the other girl. I love this about it.
Speaker 1: Once I'm like, you're literally describing the thought of John
Speaker 1: Tukermas Day and I love it. Oh my god, did
Speaker 1: you guys are killing him in that movie? Like what
Speaker 1: happened to that movie? No, we didn't kill him. I
Speaker 1: mean we killed his confidence and he murdered his going
Speaker 1: back to God, it's so fun. I like that too,
Speaker 1: And I think that is such a good it's such
Speaker 1: a good lesson to like make sure that you you know,
Speaker 1: you're holding the right people accountable well, And it just
Speaker 1: makes for good juicy TV because now we get to
Speaker 1: go to the mall and we get to go to
Speaker 1: Wet Seal and Hot topic. Um, were they trying to
Speaker 1: make us go into Victoria's Secret like a brawl store? Boring?
Speaker 1: Typical and why why don't we keep I guess it
Speaker 1: was just the era, But like, why is there always
Speaker 1: a fat joke? Why was the fat joke in the episode?
Speaker 1: What was it? So when we're in the mall, Brooke
Speaker 1: looks to Peyton and I say, you can come in
Speaker 1: here and watch me try on braws and complain about
Speaker 1: how fat I am. Yeah, and I'm like you you
Speaker 1: were like a size zero. Yeah. I'm like, I've never
Speaker 1: been ginnier than I was when I was twenty two.
Speaker 1: Let's relax. Oh my god. This is like when I
Speaker 1: watch I Still Love, I Love Lucy, and I watched
Speaker 1: I Drew a Genie sometimes with my daughter, and you know,
Speaker 1: but sometimes there's these jokes that just come out of
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that's right. The world is
Speaker 1: just a different place. Back then it was acceptable or stereotypical.
Speaker 1: I guess for women to talk about how fat they are.
Speaker 1: What I guess what meant I thought that girls don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever had that conversation with
Speaker 1: a girlfriend of mine. No. I was always way too proud.
Speaker 1: You look great, wherever you are, whoever you are, you
Speaker 1: look great. Hell yeah, what I've had to realize is
Speaker 1: that the spaces we can get into with ourselves where
Speaker 1: we're being self critical when I go like, I don't
Speaker 1: like this, I don't like that, I feel gross because
Speaker 1: of I'm like, but it says, who who told me this?
Speaker 1: Someone told me this something or someone told me this,
Speaker 1: And what is the fucking point? Like? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: maybe it's from unrealistic expectations in society, some of which
Speaker 1: come from done done, Dune, Dune and here we are, here,
Speaker 1: we are joy. You handled this whole porn narrative with precision,
Speaker 1: Like Haley is a time traveler. We've said it before,
Speaker 1: We're going to say it again. She's the only person
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me in this whole show, including
Speaker 1: my own character. I'm gonna throw my hat in that ring. Absolutely, boy.
Speaker 1: I remember getting the script. I remember getting the script
Speaker 1: and it was very different. Um. Really, I fought hard
Speaker 1: for the material that we ended up with, actually because
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifics, but I do remember getting the
Speaker 1: script and it was all everything that happened, which is
Speaker 1: what you were talking about when we were watching a
Speaker 1: hillar about Haley getting sort of gasolt by everybody. She
Speaker 1: was talking to everyone telling her it's not a big deal. Relax, relax, relax.
Speaker 1: By the end of it, yeah, and by the end
Speaker 1: of it there was some sort of watered down like
Speaker 1: I think actually at the end of the original script
Speaker 1: it was something like what Peyton says to Haley in
Speaker 1: the bedroom, which was, uh, if he's if you've got
Speaker 1: his heart, you've got You've got more than any of
Speaker 1: those other girls ever, did you've got his heart? And
Speaker 1: Haley was some sort of some way like satisfied with
Speaker 1: that answer, and I, UM, I had a real I
Speaker 1: had many long battles about this episode and my how
Speaker 1: I was going to play the performance. How you know
Speaker 1: how I because it's so hard when you're on a
Speaker 1: TV show, because it's not a movie where you're just
Speaker 1: what it is. There's no time and you don't things
Speaker 1: progressed so quickly. So I would just remember that I
Speaker 1: I changed a lot of those lines on the day,
Speaker 1: um specifically the stuff in the apartment, and I remember
Speaker 1: going home and after I got the script I made,
Speaker 1: I fought for the changes that that they would allow
Speaker 1: ahead of time, and then when I got there on
Speaker 1: the day, I whatever else I wanted to change, I
Speaker 1: just did because I just washing were you being difficult?
Speaker 1: Getting difficult? Because I feel I felt a responsibility to
Speaker 1: young women out there. We're not talking about adults looking
Speaker 1: at porn. I have many opinions on that topic, but
Speaker 1: when we're talking about teenagers, which was our demographic, that's
Speaker 1: a demographic I felt a responsibility to and that those
Speaker 1: are the people that I knew were watching this show
Speaker 1: and they were going to be impacted by what what
Speaker 1: we portrayed. I was really proud of Haley in this episode.
Speaker 1: The script really wanted to normalize it. That's what the
Speaker 1: script wanted to do. They wanted Peyton to normalize it,
Speaker 1: and Nathan to normalize it, and Lucas to normalize it,
Speaker 1: and Haley with all of these friends being like, babe,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Stands stands firm. And that's important because she
Speaker 1: knew what her comfort level was. She knew what her
Speaker 1: boundaries were. If you're a single adult person and you're
Speaker 1: watching porn that is created by creators who are in
Speaker 1: control of their own content and are empowered, like great, fine,
Speaker 1: But if you're in a relationship, and you are in
Speaker 1: a sexual relationship with someone and they feel like a
Speaker 1: boundary is being crossed by you consuming this content even
Speaker 1: if you're not in a sexual relationship. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what the whole thing with Nathan and Haley was. If
Speaker 1: you're in a emotionally intimate relationship with something, you have
Speaker 1: to check in with their boundaries. If they're like I
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, like no big deal. Great. If
Speaker 1: it makes them uncomfortable, then it's cheating. It is well
Speaker 1: and something I find really interesting. You know, everyone who's
Speaker 1: listening at home, we jumped into some shares in between
Speaker 1: watching this episode and having this conversation with you all now,
Speaker 1: and we were sharing some articles we've read and some
Speaker 1: things that we've heard, and some experiences we've had and
Speaker 1: things that our friends have been through. And you know,
Speaker 1: something I find fascinating is an article from like ten
Speaker 1: years ago now that said that thirty six percent of
Speaker 1: and that they had just interviewed men and women for this,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was a very heteronormous situation. And I
Speaker 1: get that, but I only have the STATA have is
Speaker 1: that of women feel like discovering that their partner has
Speaker 1: a pornography habit is as betraying as discovery cheating when
Speaker 1: a person is having you know, a sexual experience with
Speaker 1: someone that isn't their partner and that hasn't been explicitly
Speaker 1: agreed upon discussed whatever, like Hillary is referencing. That's a
Speaker 1: big deal, and it was one of the things we
Speaker 1: were discussing, the three of us, because that means that
Speaker 1: Haley's reaction, or any of our reactions, or any of
Speaker 1: your reactions, if you feel the same and you've been
Speaker 1: gas lit by someone saying a version of it's normal,
Speaker 1: this is how it's patient and it really doesn't feel
Speaker 1: normal to you. We just want you to know you're
Speaker 1: not alone and that that's okay. You are entitled to
Speaker 1: feel your feelings, whether your feelings are I feel really
Speaker 1: empowered by this, this taught me about my body, or
Speaker 1: I really don't like this and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: unhealthy your your feelings or your feelings, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: I think it's also important to acknowledge that pornography is
Speaker 1: an addiction for many people because it activates the pleasure
Speaker 1: centers of the brain and that then you it becomes
Speaker 1: a compulsive practice because it influences what activities, what stimulation
Speaker 1: you need to get turned on. You need more and
Speaker 1: more of it. It's like any substance or anything that
Speaker 1: scientifically we have scientific evidence of the chemical reaction in
Speaker 1: your brain and your body when you're watching something like this,
Speaker 1: and especially for teenagers, where your bodies are developing, your
Speaker 1: brain is developing, your um perspective on intimacy, what a
Speaker 1: woman is, what she's worth, what she's you know, what
Speaker 1: her body is for or not for? Um, you know what,
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to um, how you do feel, rather
Speaker 1: than how you're supposed to feel, you know how what
Speaker 1: what things. There's just there are so many um, there
Speaker 1: are so many things happening inside of you as a
Speaker 1: young developing person. And to introduce porn as the major um,
Speaker 1: the major player of what sex looks like at that age,
Speaker 1: so the major teacher. It's just really devastating, I think,
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that we were able to not
Speaker 1: just normalize it in this episode that I think we
Speaker 1: came to a conclusion that it wasn't okay. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I didn't, like, you know, full disclosure. I found
Speaker 1: someone stashed before when I was young, and it was like,
Speaker 1: what the what is this? And when I confronted them,
Speaker 1: they were like, um, well I didn't use it, and
Speaker 1: they talked about it like it was a tool, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what Nathan does in this episode. He talks
Speaker 1: about it like it's a tool. And for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew girls who were, you know, dancers. I knew
Speaker 1: girls who had grown up with who got into, you know,
Speaker 1: different lines of work than what I was doing. And
Speaker 1: I felt conflicted because what they were doing for work
Speaker 1: was vilified and yet I kissing people on TV and
Speaker 1: like creating emotions for viewers at home. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, is what I'm doing a version of that?
Speaker 1: Is it like a PG version of that? You've mentioned
Speaker 1: that before. Just sorting that out it was really confusing
Speaker 1: for me because I'm like, there's all these naked people
Speaker 1: on Game of Thrones and that could be pornographer. You know,
Speaker 1: like there's sex scenes in all sorts of movies, and
Speaker 1: so how do we differentiate from porn to what we
Speaker 1: as actors are doing and like the manipulation of people's
Speaker 1: emotions and pleasure centers like what you're talking about, but
Speaker 1: understanding that in porn, those are real people. They're not
Speaker 1: a tool. Those are young women, young men who we
Speaker 1: don't know how they got into this line of work.
Speaker 1: If it was something that they chose for themselves, fantastic,
Speaker 1: If they like what they're doing, fantastic. There is a
Speaker 1: percentage of people who have been applied into that trade,
Speaker 1: and so a huge percentage, and that was that was
Speaker 1: really frustrating for me as a young person to hear
Speaker 1: someone talk about them like they're just tools, you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's been a big conversation nationally
Speaker 1: about only fans um and that's people. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people on their creating their own content that they're
Speaker 1: in total control of, which is very, very different than
Speaker 1: what porn looked like in two thousand four when when
Speaker 1: we were doing this episode, you know, it was a
Speaker 1: very different industry. Well, and since you know, porn became
Speaker 1: this multibillion dollar annual, you know, top earning global industry,
Speaker 1: we've also had conversations about it. I mean, we've we've
Speaker 1: examined it. We've started to see groups of women beginning
Speaker 1: to make what they define as very feminist porn as
Speaker 1: the antithesis of the kind of porn that Hailey caught
Speaker 1: Nathan watching because the stuffy Nathan's looking at it like growdy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and the idea you know, women said, well, if
Speaker 1: it's only going to be done through this male lens,
Speaker 1: that's really dangerous to us, then we have to make
Speaker 1: our own, and so I doesn't. I guess. Still, though,
Speaker 1: my question is, does it still create the same problem,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're still it's still the chemical reaction
Speaker 1: of your activating the reward center of your brain and cheapening,
Speaker 1: cheapening it continually until you don't need another person there.
Speaker 1: It's just I feel like that there's no other road end,
Speaker 1: there's no other end to that road except that it's
Speaker 1: got to negatively impact your intimacy at some point. I
Speaker 1: don't know the answer, and I think it's really healthy
Speaker 1: for us to admit that, and so I also admit
Speaker 1: that it's conflicting. I mean, I know, like a sexual
Speaker 1: people that don't want to have sex with anybody and
Speaker 1: are like I just want to watch my porn and
Speaker 1: be alone and not great, Like, yeah, that's fine, But
Speaker 1: teenagers are a different deal. Yeah. And there are people
Speaker 1: who heal from sexual trauma by rediscovering that they have
Speaker 1: intimate desire, whether that's feeling something or working with you know,
Speaker 1: even all the way to working with sexologists with doctors
Speaker 1: who help them do this work. Um. There are so
Speaker 1: many versions. But but I think you hit on something
Speaker 1: really important, Joy, which is the notion of addiction. If
Speaker 1: porn becomes like a slot machine, something's wrong. If anything
Speaker 1: becomes the thing you can't get through your day without.
Speaker 1: And it still didn't explain why, like Peyton's punk and
Speaker 1: disorderly site was mixed in with all the porn you know, like,
Speaker 1: well if it does it does any work? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't really have to own up to anything. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he will in the next episode. I don't think
Speaker 1: he does. I feel like maybe we touch on it once,
Speaker 1: but I think it ended sort of um at a draw,
Speaker 1: because that was the best that I could get in
Speaker 1: my fight with the boys that we're writing this stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: Which also, by the way, looking back now as an adult,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they value a young woman in her early twenties
Speaker 1: opinion about who women women feel about pornography? Why? Why
Speaker 1: would they not welcome that? Why did I have to
Speaker 1: fight tooth and nail? I was went home crying. I
Speaker 1: was like it was constant arguments with them about everything. Joy,
Speaker 1: Why do you have to be so difficult? Why can't
Speaker 1: you just do what you're being asked to do. It's
Speaker 1: in the script. Just show up and say that's the
Speaker 1: problem is they look at you and they go, we
Speaker 1: hired you to act, And it's like, no, you hired
Speaker 1: me to be a person. Yeah, I'm such to embody
Speaker 1: this whole person. Yeah, you you hired me to find
Speaker 1: the truth on the page. You want me to make
Speaker 1: a real person? No one, you know, they always pull
Speaker 1: stuff from real life. I want to know which of
Speaker 1: the found their stash. And they were like, we have
Speaker 1: to normalize this. Let's make Nathan the likable one. Now
Speaker 1: do it. Right, so far, we'll make the cute kid
Speaker 1: do it. But he did have pictures of Peyton and
Speaker 1: that was something else, wasn't it? And they were recist,
Speaker 1: they were they were recents. That's what I'm realizing because
Speaker 1: in my brain, I gotta be honest. When we watched it,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, she used to be his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: But when you just said punk and disorderly was in
Speaker 1: the search history, WHOA that changes everything? And and and
Speaker 1: like Hayley had just gone to Peyton to get advice,
Speaker 1: Like that's the double whammy is It's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the girl I'm confiding in and you're you're still
Speaker 1: looking at her camera, which had been down for like
Speaker 1: a month. She had just turned it back on. Oh man, wait,
Speaker 1: why don't we know their recent Are we sure those
Speaker 1: weren't photos from before? Because mixed in with the shop
Speaker 1: because at the top of the episode, remember we all
Speaker 1: cringe because Patin was like, oh, I forgot that. Cameras
Speaker 1: shouldn't change in front of that. But mixed in you
Speaker 1: see a shot of Peyton wearing like the shirt that
Speaker 1: she just worn within the shower shots. Um, so they're
Speaker 1: all like, uh, they're from the same day. It's like
Speaker 1: a recent day. It's super gross. Um yeah, it's it's gross.
Speaker 1: And I wish that that had been addressed to I mean,
Speaker 1: it was baby, you could only fight so many fights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. That's a pretty wild one though, to let
Speaker 1: slide well it was also this is also why it
Speaker 1: was important to me that I didn't throw a fit
Speaker 1: when I when Hayley saw those things, because I think
Speaker 1: that was the stereotype they were looking for, was the
Speaker 1: how dare you? Like? I gave you my heart and
Speaker 1: if that's not enough for you, then I'm out enough
Speaker 1: for you. Slam the door, you know, because that's what
Speaker 1: they the people who are writing this stuff with their
Speaker 1: perspective of women growing a fit, hysterical god and hysterical.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the one to punch over here.
Speaker 1: You played it, honestly, Joy, I can't tell you enough.
Speaker 1: You played it so well and the changes that you
Speaker 1: made were so appropriate. That is a verbatim conversation that
Speaker 1: could happen right now, you know, like it was important
Speaker 1: then and it's important now. And you created a new
Speaker 1: normal for girls to have boundaries because that also I
Speaker 1: talk about my version of feminism, which is like I'm
Speaker 1: not sleeping with anybody, like if you want to get this,
Speaker 1: good luck, you know. And that was always my version
Speaker 1: of feminism because at that time there were there was
Speaker 1: a male initiative to create this new wave of like
Speaker 1: I'm a free girl. It was the girl's gone wild,
Speaker 1: it was the maxim stuff. It was the victorious secret
Speaker 1: like angels parades, you know, Like there was this version
Speaker 1: of feminism that was being sold to us that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you want to be empowered, you should be loose
Speaker 1: like boys, Like you should screw around like boys and
Speaker 1: be super sexual like boys. That'll make you equal, and
Speaker 1: it's always made me so uncomfortable. And so Haley is
Speaker 1: a time traveler now coming in with that perspective of like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is precious, Like what you're looking at right here
Speaker 1: is precious. It deserves more, earn it. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: my daughter has a Haley in her life. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: I dated a guy once that um when we first
Speaker 1: started going out. He used to have these. He thought
Speaker 1: it was tasteful, um photos of like it was like
Speaker 1: a model basically naked models on the wall. Wait. He
Speaker 1: had them in his house, in his house, in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: It's so gross. And I kept being like, you have
Speaker 1: to take these down. This is so like, what are
Speaker 1: you eighteen years old? Take these down? Why are they anyway?
Speaker 1: It should have been a red flag, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: And so what I did was I ended up. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him down. He was really fighting for his
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. So I ordered off Amazon a
Speaker 1: giant poster of a guy in the ocean with his
Speaker 1: brief song but his enormous was obviously visible. They can't
Speaker 1: handle it, they can't handle I hung. I hung this
Speaker 1: giant poster right over the toilet in my house. Every
Speaker 1: time he went to the bathroom he had to sit
Speaker 1: there and stare at it. Yeah. Yes, eventually it worked.
Speaker 1: That's genius. I mean, it's it's an awkward conversation to have,
Speaker 1: but with your partner, it is an important conversation to have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to talk about this stuff, Nathan. I don't
Speaker 1: love his reaction to this at all, but we know
Speaker 1: that he's still dealing with Maybe it's their way of
Speaker 1: showing that he's still got a little bit of Dawn
Speaker 1: in him, you know, because you do very deb You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be low tones. I'm going to escalate
Speaker 1: the situation, you know, but I will leave you in me.
Speaker 1: But I will leave you and take all your money out.
Speaker 1: You can keep the trophy. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: even though we you know, we kind of landed on
Speaker 1: a fuzzy you know, where wishwash with with Nathan on that,
Speaker 1: at least I feel strong about where Haley ended up
Speaker 1: and that she set her boundary and said a good example,
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm proud of that. I had actually
Speaker 1: completely forgotten about this episode and when I started as
Speaker 1: soon as she was on the computer and saw that,
Speaker 1: I went, oh my god, it's the porn episode. I
Speaker 1: forgot about this. How is this going to go? And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to say, I'm really proud of our work.
Speaker 1: So you did a really good job, handful. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna watch porn, watch porn generated by women that actually
Speaker 1: teach you how to pleasure a woman, because all that
Speaker 1: was out in two thousand four that was fake. Like, girls,
Speaker 1: don't dream like that, guys, it's not real. Um, all
Speaker 1: those noises and like the huffing and puffing and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what, let's maybe quit with all the weird,
Speaker 1: creepy violent porn too. Let's like, oh, let's find a
Speaker 1: little intimacy, back to intimacy please. Oh girls, I love
Speaker 1: talking about everything with you. It's pretty. So there was
Speaker 1: girl talk in the cafe with Deb getting her divorce
Speaker 1: papers and Karen oh that's right, and Deb admitting she
Speaker 1: was sad. It was beautiful. I get it, Like he
Speaker 1: did that narcissist thing that Joy pointed out last episode
Speaker 1: where it was like, I made you want me back.
Speaker 1: I left the watch at the house, you know, like
Speaker 1: she brings it to him and such a snyde remark
Speaker 1: like maybe it's painted like she's up institute. I ate
Speaker 1: it so gross for her to still be sad after that.
Speaker 1: That's what I hate. Like that should have been nail
Speaker 1: in the coffin, Like my god, it was after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just that's the nature of it. You don't get
Speaker 1: involved with somebody like that and and be and stay
Speaker 1: with them for almost twenty years I guess eighteen years, uh,
Speaker 1: sixteen years. You don't do that without the push and
Speaker 1: pull being something that you're addicted to. And even though
Speaker 1: you may know it's good that you're separating from that,
Speaker 1: you still chemically you're you're still attached and emotionally, you know,
Speaker 1: you still there's a part of you that you're going
Speaker 1: to be sad not to have the things that did
Speaker 1: feel good. Yeah, well Keith is going through that in
Speaker 1: this episode. It was the most heartbreaking line of the
Speaker 1: show was when he says to Karen, you got what
Speaker 1: you wanted, and Lucas got what he wanted, but what
Speaker 1: about me? You know, it sucks because he'll never be
Speaker 1: Lucas's dad. Yeah, it was so honest the way he
Speaker 1: delivered that line, just it was so vulnerable and real
Speaker 1: and and a valid point and not trying to be
Speaker 1: selfish and not trying to say, oh, did I get
Speaker 1: out of it? I didn't get anything out of this,
Speaker 1: you know. No, it's really like, but honestly, I matter too,
Speaker 1: and what about what I need. I've got to take
Speaker 1: care of myself, which maybe is the first time he's
Speaker 1: really stood up for himself in many, many, many years,
Speaker 1: because he's always putting other people first. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really sad. I mean, it's always going to be rubbed
Speaker 1: in his face that Dan is Lucas's real dad. And
Speaker 1: you can see he's got this paternal thing in him,
Speaker 1: like Keith should have a whole, you know, a little
Speaker 1: basketball team of his own, a little you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think basketball is sports, what do we think? Maybe
Speaker 1: the reason that he doesn't is because he's been in
Speaker 1: love with Karen all the time, and you know that
Speaker 1: actually prevented him, Like how many chicks did Keith pass
Speaker 1: up so he could like stay at home and watch
Speaker 1: movies with Karen and Lucas exactly what could have been.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him that he's going. It's beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: nice that he's going to have his own space. And
Speaker 1: I think pretty. It's a it's a major moment when
Speaker 1: Lucas says, I want to go with Keith. I need
Speaker 1: what he needs. They both need to get out of
Speaker 1: Dance Scott's shadow. Yeah, they do. And what was the
Speaker 1: reasoning for that? Like, do you remember why why Chad
Speaker 1: had to leave? What is he doing a movie or something?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to watch these episodes. No, dude,
Speaker 1: they're setting up the cliffhanger for the finale. He's probably
Speaker 1: gonna play the playoff game and then leave town the
Speaker 1: playoff and that one he said, but he's like, I
Speaker 1: gotta leave, Like, but those Sparks. How to play the Sparks?
Speaker 1: What about the playoffs? And Jake is leaving, They're gonna
Speaker 1: lose the playoffs. They lose Jake, they lose Lucas, they
Speaker 1: lose the game. Oh my gosh, they have to lose
Speaker 1: the game because Dan's coaching. Right, Yeah, they've got to listen.
Speaker 1: Jake is leaving because George Clooney swept in and you know,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Clooney. I could have had a great
Speaker 1: little romance arc and you ruined it. Um. I also
Speaker 1: didn't like the Peyton's dad and Jake standing on the
Speaker 1: wharf kind of looked alike, like they had the same
Speaker 1: like floppy hair and like they were like they just
Speaker 1: kind of had the same broad shoulders, and it was like,
Speaker 1: this is like a daddy complex, this is this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I liked it. It felt right. It felt like they
Speaker 1: were right for each other because you know, mirrors in
Speaker 1: a way that the only man who's been there for
Speaker 1: her in her life her dad, and there's like a connection.
Speaker 1: I thought it was sweet. I know. I remember filming
Speaker 1: that day and like genuinely being upset, like, well, what
Speaker 1: do you mean you're not coming back? Like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go Cape. I was upset. I'm not ashamed to
Speaker 1: admit it. I was upset, and I think, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what they were doing too. He had a whole
Speaker 1: camera crew that came and followed him around because they
Speaker 1: wrote our show into the HBO show. What was it
Speaker 1: even called? Because it was like a made an American light? No,
Speaker 1: it was Project green Light project. But wasn't it called
Speaker 1: know How to Make It in America? Scrpted show? But
Speaker 1: the Project green Light thing was about an actor like
Speaker 1: trying to make it and it was it was Greenberg,
Speaker 1: but it was also a little like heightened to make him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to come and explain himself. Um.
Speaker 1: But they filmed, and I was all nervous because we've
Speaker 1: done our MTV true life like documentary and we were
Speaker 1: fine to be ourselves elves, but like this was HBO.
Speaker 1: This was like a very deal and like, okay, you
Speaker 1: two just talk and make it normal. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: but it's not normally. It's leaving like everything you're sad.
Speaker 1: I hope we get to talk about it with him soon.
Speaker 1: We're the season finale next week. Can you believe we're
Speaker 1: at the end of season one? I can't. This has
Speaker 1: been so fun girls. I'm like, I'm so excited that
Speaker 1: we get to dive back in. But I guys understanding
Speaker 1: how people can binge the show because what took us
Speaker 1: a year to create, Like, I feel like we watched
Speaker 1: it in like a blit for sure, Sarah asks. As
Speaker 1: much as I loved all the romantic relationships and the
Speaker 1: friendships between the girls, the most compelling relationship to me
Speaker 1: was the relationship between Lucas and Nathan. I found it
Speaker 1: so special. That's cool. What are your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: development of the brotherhood and friendship over the course of
Speaker 1: the series. M a nice question. It is nice. Well,
Speaker 1: I agree, it's hard to say anything beyond what we've seen,
Speaker 1: for you know, I haven't seen it, but but I
Speaker 1: love where we're getting up to this point. Anyway, at
Speaker 1: the end of season one, to have had this conflict,
Speaker 1: in this pain and then they'll they'll start to get
Speaker 1: out of it, and then they fall back into their
Speaker 1: old patterns. And now I feel like we're really in
Speaker 1: the moment where these two boys begin to find a
Speaker 1: real friendship, especially this week with Lucas saying I finally
Speaker 1: am seeing how it is for Nathan with Dan. There's
Speaker 1: there's um, there's recognition, and I think that's a really
Speaker 1: beautiful foundation for any any friendship, especially one born out
Speaker 1: of conflict. Yeah, the sibling relationship is so complex. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of siblings, and what we're seeing
Speaker 1: in this season is appropriate. You're going to go through
Speaker 1: seasons where you really really get a lot, and you're
Speaker 1: going to go through seasons where you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how did we grow up in the same house? You know,
Speaker 1: and so to see Lucas and Nathan do that you know,
Speaker 1: episode to episode. It keeps me on my toes because
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, the whole porn thing could
Speaker 1: have been a trigger for Luke to be like, you
Speaker 1: are a bad guy. Um. I think his carousel activity
Speaker 1: prohibited him from being too judgmental. Uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see then be able to confide
Speaker 1: in each other because the only two people on the
Speaker 1: planet that know what it's like to be Dan Scott's
Speaker 1: kids are those too. Yeah, and that's going to continue
Speaker 1: to hold them together. That's going to be a thread
Speaker 1: that binds them no matter where they go or what
Speaker 1: they um, what they go through in life, They're always
Speaker 1: going to have this mutual I mean, trauma bon trauma,
Speaker 1: hate that, but they also have the there what they're
Speaker 1: gaining from this is the shared experience of growing past.
Speaker 1: They need they it seems that they've actually really needed
Speaker 1: each other in order to heal from the trauma and
Speaker 1: pain that Dan has caused both of them. And and
Speaker 1: so maybe that's she's right. I think Sarah's right. The
Speaker 1: magic in the show is the story of redemption that
Speaker 1: we've you know, stories of redemption that we always see
Speaker 1: and look for. Here that they needed each other and
Speaker 1: that's the key. They were the key, the two of
Speaker 1: them for each other. Yeah, it's beautiful. I like in
Speaker 1: this episode that Nathan pretty much defends Karen. He's like,
Speaker 1: Lucas wants to be an optimist, like we could have
Speaker 1: teamed up against him, and Nathan's like, no, no, dude,
Speaker 1: Like no, I would have hated each other. We would
Speaker 1: have war. Yeah, idealistic because you weren't here. I was here.
Speaker 1: Trust Terrible is always google. All right, we got another
Speaker 1: question from Brianna. She says, you've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the other teen dramas that were popular when you started
Speaker 1: filming One Tree Hill. What other teen dramas have you watched?
Speaker 1: You've been a fan of Old or New. Also, if
Speaker 1: you could be on any other teen drama, old or New,
Speaker 1: what would it be? That is a good question. Felicity.
Speaker 1: You were on Felicity, Oh yeah, for an episode. But
Speaker 1: Felicity was like, that was the show we were all
Speaker 1: I mean, we were all watching that, right, Felicity was
Speaker 1: a big deal. Also, my so called life, so called life,
Speaker 1: you guys, my favorite show of all time ever ever
Speaker 1: is Freaksing Geeks. I just it is my favorite. It's
Speaker 1: the most honest depiction of this tender age that I've
Speaker 1: ever seen on TV. Like Linda Cardelini's character, I felt
Speaker 1: in my bones because I wanted to hang out with
Speaker 1: like the bad boys, but I was also like a
Speaker 1: straight a student and doing student government and the awkward
Speaker 1: stuff that she has to deal with in that show.
Speaker 1: I was just like, thank God, thank god this exists somewhere,
Speaker 1: and I feel so cheated that there were only two
Speaker 1: seasons of it. I know, I know, it kills me.
Speaker 1: I still hold out hope that one day they'll do
Speaker 1: show like we were still waiting for give us what
Speaker 1: we want. All right, let's spin the wheels, spin it.
Speaker 1: We still need a theme song. Which fan is going
Speaker 1: to write us a spin the wheel theme song? Yeah,
Speaker 1: get on it. Oh my gosh, do it? So who's
Speaker 1: most likely to go skinny dipping? Now? I mean in
Speaker 1: real life? Herself? Also like done it there. I only
Speaker 1: need a place where there's no strangers and like just
Speaker 1: friends and just friends. I don't mind strangers. Oh I do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just like spit all my I did.
Speaker 1: I literally did the thing. Listen. I was skinny dipping
Speaker 1: for the first time. Senior year beach week, and the
Speaker 1: boys found out and they came and they stole our clothes,
Speaker 1: and so I had to walk no towels, no clothes.
Speaker 1: Was like two o'clock in the morning. I had to
Speaker 1: and just like hope that there's no one away. Did
Speaker 1: you did you grab some leaves off a tree or something?
Speaker 1: What did you do? Do you know? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I found? Um, somebody's kid had left like a
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse T shirt like size to tea at the pool, right,
Speaker 1: And so I grabbed this tea because it was like
Speaker 1: a community pool in like the area of the beach
Speaker 1: where we're saying around this little kids, and I figured
Speaker 1: I needed to cover up my business with that, and
Speaker 1: then armed to cover my boobs. And I was like
Speaker 1: everyone's seen butts, and so it was a very precarious.
Speaker 1: You didn't step into it. No, it was a two tea.
Speaker 1: Joy John would have crafted a whole outfit. She's like,
Speaker 1: this is a scene ripper. I'll just bite it with
Speaker 1: my teeth and make it a skirt. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: Skinny Dippen. Now. But there's time, friends, there's there's always time.
Speaker 1: That'll be our next lee party. I can't wait if
Speaker 1: you guys join us next week, We've got the season finale.
Speaker 1: It's episode number twenty two. The games that play us
Speaker 1: Season one finale. I can't even believe it. This was
Speaker 1: the first time we thought we were going to get canceled.
Speaker 1: So the playoffs, everybody, We're going go Ravens. All right,
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