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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl sharing for the drama Queens Girl Fashion.

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Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl, you can sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn McQueen's Drama Queens. Alright, you guys.

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Speaker 1: This is episode twenty one, titled Believing Song. It originally

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Speaker 1: aired May fourth, two thousand four. This was a whopper, friends.

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Speaker 1: The synopsis is just just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: Lucas is shop to learn that Dan once asked Karen

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Speaker 1: for joint custody of Lucas when he was a baby. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Peyton panics after Nicky kidnaps Jake's baby while she's babysitting.

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Speaker 1: And this synopsis doesn't even touch on the huge, big

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Speaker 1: perverted elephant in the room, which is the porn plot.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want anybody not tuning in because the word

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Speaker 1: porn was in the street in the caption, so they

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Speaker 1: just decided to remove that story. I'm sure, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't want the parents to know exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: Can't let them know we're normalizing porn for their teenage daughters.

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Speaker 1: That'd be crazy. In let's talk about all the other

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Speaker 1: stuff first, because the porn is gonna take a long time,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna make people wait for the porn of

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Speaker 1: it all. Just hold on horses, So we take notes, right,

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Speaker 1: and my very I've got a whole note file from

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Speaker 1: the top of the episode was where the hell is

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Speaker 1: Karen's family? Yeah, what's up with that? Fans have brought

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Speaker 1: this up as she's having this conversation about what was

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Speaker 1: going through her head at eighteen and how Dan. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the thick of that decision making process as well.

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Speaker 1: And do we ever change that? They just never show.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember ever meeting Karen's parents, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: I don't remember an explanation either did they die or

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Speaker 1: they just horrendous people and she didn't want them in

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Speaker 1: her family? Yeah? Because really they be involved? Right? Well

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Speaker 1: do we Jake? Jake Chielski talks a lot about his

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Speaker 1: parents and his parents helping him with Jenny. But do

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Speaker 1: we ever meet Jake's parents either, because they're working like

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Speaker 1: three jobs a piece, were using? Okay, but hold on,

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Speaker 1: then that gives us a little bit of liberty here.

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Speaker 1: If we're going to cast Karen's parents, who do we

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Speaker 1: cast as like Lucas's grandparents Karen's parents? Like? Such a

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Speaker 1: like Brendan Gleeson. He would have been he would have

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Speaker 1: been around at that time, the Gleeson Um. Yeah, Brian.

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Speaker 1: What's his name on succession? The patriarch on succession? What

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Speaker 1: what I'm drawing a blank. You know who I love

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Speaker 1: for every mom character ever is Becky Ann Baker. She

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Speaker 1: played the Mom and Freaks and Geeks, and she was

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Speaker 1: Sarah Wayne Kelly's um down in Savannah, Georgia. She played

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Speaker 1: And I can see Karen coming from someone Sue were

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Speaker 1: like my ringside match, whatever cage match, boxing fight, whatever

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Speaker 1: like a martyr, you guys. Yeah, we saw her party

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Speaker 1: So you know what I really felt for and and

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Speaker 1: doing all those push ups. Oh, you guys. Workout scenes

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Speaker 1: In the last episode, he gets caught slutting it up.

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Speaker 1: I Drew a Genie sometimes with my daughter, and you know,

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00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: but sometimes there's these jokes that just come out of

427
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, that's right. The world is

428
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: just a different place. Back then it was acceptable or stereotypical.

429
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: I guess for women to talk about how fat they are.

430
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: What I guess what meant I thought that girls don't.

431
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever had that conversation with

432
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: a girlfriend of mine. No. I was always way too proud.

433
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: You look great, wherever you are, whoever you are, you

434
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: look great. Hell yeah, what I've had to realize is

435
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: that the spaces we can get into with ourselves where

436
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: we're being self critical when I go like, I don't

437
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: like this, I don't like that, I feel gross because

438
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: of I'm like, but it says, who who told me this?

439
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: Someone told me this something or someone told me this,

440
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: And what is the fucking point? Like? Yeah, I mean

441
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's from unrealistic expectations in society, some of which

442
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: come from done done, Dune, Dune and here we are, here,

443
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: we are joy. You handled this whole porn narrative with precision,

444
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Like Haley is a time traveler. We've said it before,

445
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: We're going to say it again. She's the only person

446
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me in this whole show, including

447
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: my own character. I'm gonna throw my hat in that ring. Absolutely, boy.

448
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: I remember getting the script. I remember getting the script

449
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: and it was very different. Um. Really, I fought hard

450
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: for the material that we ended up with, actually because

451
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifics, but I do remember getting the

452
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: script and it was all everything that happened, which is

453
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: what you were talking about when we were watching a

454
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: hillar about Haley getting sort of gasolt by everybody. She

455
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: was talking to everyone telling her it's not a big deal. Relax, relax, relax.

456
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: By the end of it, yeah, and by the end

457
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: of it there was some sort of watered down like

458
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: I think actually at the end of the original script

459
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: it was something like what Peyton says to Haley in

460
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: the bedroom, which was, uh, if he's if you've got

461
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: his heart, you've got You've got more than any of

462
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: those other girls ever, did you've got his heart? And

463
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Haley was some sort of some way like satisfied with

464
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: that answer, and I, UM, I had a real I

465
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: had many long battles about this episode and my how

466
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I was going to play the performance. How you know

467
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: how I because it's so hard when you're on a

468
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: TV show, because it's not a movie where you're just

469
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: what it is. There's no time and you don't things

470
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: progressed so quickly. So I would just remember that I

471
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I changed a lot of those lines on the day,

472
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: um specifically the stuff in the apartment, and I remember

473
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: going home and after I got the script I made,

474
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: I fought for the changes that that they would allow

475
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: ahead of time, and then when I got there on

476
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: the day, I whatever else I wanted to change, I

477
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: just did because I just washing were you being difficult?

478
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: Getting difficult? Because I feel I felt a responsibility to

479
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: young women out there. We're not talking about adults looking

480
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: at porn. I have many opinions on that topic, but

481
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: when we're talking about teenagers, which was our demographic, that's

482
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: a demographic I felt a responsibility to and that those

483
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: are the people that I knew were watching this show

484
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: and they were going to be impacted by what what

485
00:28:50,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: we portrayed. I was really proud of Haley in this episode.

486
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: The script really wanted to normalize it. That's what the

487
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: script wanted to do. They wanted Peyton to normalize it,

488
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: and Nathan to normalize it, and Lucas to normalize it,

489
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: and Haley with all of these friends being like, babe,

490
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: it's fine. Stands stands firm. And that's important because she

491
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: knew what her comfort level was. She knew what her

492
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: boundaries were. If you're a single adult person and you're

493
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: watching porn that is created by creators who are in

494
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: control of their own content and are empowered, like great, fine,

495
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: But if you're in a relationship, and you are in

496
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: a sexual relationship with someone and they feel like a

497
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: boundary is being crossed by you consuming this content even

498
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: if you're not in a sexual relationship. I mean, that's

499
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: what the whole thing with Nathan and Haley was. If

500
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: you're in a emotionally intimate relationship with something, you have

501
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: to check in with their boundaries. If they're like I

502
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: don't care, you know, like no big deal. Great. If

503
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: it makes them uncomfortable, then it's cheating. It is well

504
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: and something I find really interesting. You know, everyone who's

505
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: listening at home, we jumped into some shares in between

506
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: watching this episode and having this conversation with you all now,

507
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: and we were sharing some articles we've read and some

508
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: things that we've heard, and some experiences we've had and

509
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: things that our friends have been through. And you know,

510
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: something I find fascinating is an article from like ten

511
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: years ago now that said that thirty six percent of

512
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: and that they had just interviewed men and women for this,

513
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was a very heteronormous situation. And I

514
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: get that, but I only have the STATA have is

515
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: that of women feel like discovering that their partner has

516
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: a pornography habit is as betraying as discovery cheating when

517
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: a person is having you know, a sexual experience with

518
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: someone that isn't their partner and that hasn't been explicitly

519
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: agreed upon discussed whatever, like Hillary is referencing. That's a

520
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: big deal, and it was one of the things we

521
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: were discussing, the three of us, because that means that

522
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Haley's reaction, or any of our reactions, or any of

523
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: your reactions, if you feel the same and you've been

524
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: gas lit by someone saying a version of it's normal,

525
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: this is how it's patient and it really doesn't feel

526
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: normal to you. We just want you to know you're

527
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: not alone and that that's okay. You are entitled to

528
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: feel your feelings, whether your feelings are I feel really

529
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: empowered by this, this taught me about my body, or

530
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: I really don't like this and I feel like it's

531
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: unhealthy your your feelings or your feelings, and that's okay.

532
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: I think it's also important to acknowledge that pornography is

533
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: an addiction for many people because it activates the pleasure

534
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: centers of the brain and that then you it becomes

535
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: a compulsive practice because it influences what activities, what stimulation

536
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: you need to get turned on. You need more and

537
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: more of it. It's like any substance or anything that

538
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: scientifically we have scientific evidence of the chemical reaction in

539
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: your brain and your body when you're watching something like this,

540
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: and especially for teenagers, where your bodies are developing, your

541
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: brain is developing, your um perspective on intimacy, what a

542
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: woman is, what she's worth, what she's you know, what

543
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: her body is for or not for? Um, you know what,

544
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to um, how you do feel, rather

545
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: than how you're supposed to feel, you know how what

546
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: what things. There's just there are so many um, there

547
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: are so many things happening inside of you as a

548
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: young developing person. And to introduce porn as the major um,

549
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: the major player of what sex looks like at that age,

550
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: so the major teacher. It's just really devastating, I think,

551
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that we were able to not

552
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: just normalize it in this episode that I think we

553
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: came to a conclusion that it wasn't okay. Yeah, well,

554
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and I didn't, like, you know, full disclosure. I found

555
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: someone stashed before when I was young, and it was like,

556
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: what the what is this? And when I confronted them,

557
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: they were like, um, well I didn't use it, and

558
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: they talked about it like it was a tool, right,

559
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's what Nathan does in this episode. He talks

560
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: about it like it's a tool. And for me, you know,

561
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: I knew girls who were, you know, dancers. I knew

562
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: girls who had grown up with who got into, you know,

563
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: different lines of work than what I was doing. And

564
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: I felt conflicted because what they were doing for work

565
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: was vilified and yet I kissing people on TV and

566
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: like creating emotions for viewers at home. And so I

567
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, is what I'm doing a version of that?

568
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: Is it like a PG version of that? You've mentioned

569
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: that before. Just sorting that out it was really confusing

570
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: for me because I'm like, there's all these naked people

571
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: on Game of Thrones and that could be pornographer. You know,

572
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: like there's sex scenes in all sorts of movies, and

573
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: so how do we differentiate from porn to what we

574
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: as actors are doing and like the manipulation of people's

575
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: emotions and pleasure centers like what you're talking about, but

576
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: understanding that in porn, those are real people. They're not

577
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a tool. Those are young women, young men who we

578
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: don't know how they got into this line of work.

579
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: If it was something that they chose for themselves, fantastic,

580
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: If they like what they're doing, fantastic. There is a

581
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: percentage of people who have been applied into that trade,

582
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: and so a huge percentage, and that was that was

583
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: really frustrating for me as a young person to hear

584
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: someone talk about them like they're just tools, you know,

585
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's been a big conversation nationally

586
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: about only fans um and that's people. There's a lot

587
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: of people on their creating their own content that they're

588
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: in total control of, which is very, very different than

589
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: what porn looked like in two thousand four when when

590
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: we were doing this episode, you know, it was a

591
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: very different industry. Well, and since you know, porn became

592
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: this multibillion dollar annual, you know, top earning global industry,

593
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: we've also had conversations about it. I mean, we've we've

594
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: examined it. We've started to see groups of women beginning

595
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: to make what they define as very feminist porn as

596
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: the antithesis of the kind of porn that Hailey caught

597
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: Nathan watching because the stuffy Nathan's looking at it like growdy, Yeah,

598
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: and and the idea you know, women said, well, if

599
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: it's only going to be done through this male lens,

600
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: that's really dangerous to us, then we have to make

601
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: our own, and so I doesn't. I guess. Still, though,

602
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: my question is, does it still create the same problem,

603
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, because you're still it's still the chemical reaction

604
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: of your activating the reward center of your brain and cheapening,

605
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: cheapening it continually until you don't need another person there.

606
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: It's just I feel like that there's no other road end,

607
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: there's no other end to that road except that it's

608
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: got to negatively impact your intimacy at some point. I

609
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: don't know the answer, and I think it's really healthy

610
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: for us to admit that, and so I also admit

611
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: that it's conflicting. I mean, I know, like a sexual

612
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: people that don't want to have sex with anybody and

613
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: are like I just want to watch my porn and

614
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: be alone and not great, Like, yeah, that's fine, But

615
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: teenagers are a different deal. Yeah. And there are people

616
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: who heal from sexual trauma by rediscovering that they have

617
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: intimate desire, whether that's feeling something or working with you know,

618
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: even all the way to working with sexologists with doctors

619
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: who help them do this work. Um. There are so

620
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: many versions. But but I think you hit on something

621
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: really important, Joy, which is the notion of addiction. If

622
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: porn becomes like a slot machine, something's wrong. If anything

623
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: becomes the thing you can't get through your day without.

624
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: And it still didn't explain why, like Peyton's punk and

625
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: disorderly site was mixed in with all the porn you know, like,

626
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: well if it does it does any work? Yeah, he

627
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: doesn't really have to own up to anything. I wonder

628
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: if he will in the next episode. I don't think

629
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: he does. I feel like maybe we touch on it once,

630
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: but I think it ended sort of um at a draw,

631
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: because that was the best that I could get in

632
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: my fight with the boys that we're writing this stuff. Um.

633
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Which also, by the way, looking back now as an adult,

634
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't they value a young woman in her early twenties

635
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: opinion about who women women feel about pornography? Why? Why

636
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: would they not welcome that? Why did I have to

637
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: fight tooth and nail? I was went home crying. I

638
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: was like it was constant arguments with them about everything. Joy,

639
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Why do you have to be so difficult? Why can't

640
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: you just do what you're being asked to do. It's

641
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: in the script. Just show up and say that's the

642
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: problem is they look at you and they go, we

643
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: hired you to act, And it's like, no, you hired

644
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: me to be a person. Yeah, I'm such to embody

645
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: this whole person. Yeah, you you hired me to find

646
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the truth on the page. You want me to make

647
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: a real person? No one, you know, they always pull

648
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: stuff from real life. I want to know which of

649
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the found their stash. And they were like, we have

650
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: to normalize this. Let's make Nathan the likable one. Now

651
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: do it. Right, so far, we'll make the cute kid

652
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: do it. But he did have pictures of Peyton and

653
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: that was something else, wasn't it? And they were recist,

654
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: they were they were recents. That's what I'm realizing because

655
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: in my brain, I gotta be honest. When we watched it,

656
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I was like, well, she used to be his girlfriend.

657
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: But when you just said punk and disorderly was in

658
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: the search history, WHOA that changes everything? And and and

659
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: like Hayley had just gone to Peyton to get advice,

660
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: Like that's the double whammy is It's like, oh, this

661
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: is the girl I'm confiding in and you're you're still

662
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: looking at her camera, which had been down for like

663
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: a month. She had just turned it back on. Oh man, wait,

664
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: why don't we know their recent Are we sure those

665
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: weren't photos from before? Because mixed in with the shop

666
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: because at the top of the episode, remember we all

667
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: cringe because Patin was like, oh, I forgot that. Cameras

668
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't change in front of that. But mixed in you

669
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: see a shot of Peyton wearing like the shirt that

670
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: she just worn within the shower shots. Um, so they're

671
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: all like, uh, they're from the same day. It's like

672
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: a recent day. It's super gross. Um yeah, it's it's gross.

673
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: And I wish that that had been addressed to I mean,

674
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: it was baby, you could only fight so many fights. Yeah,

675
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: I know. That's a pretty wild one though, to let

676
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: slide well it was also this is also why it

677
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: was important to me that I didn't throw a fit

678
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: when I when Hayley saw those things, because I think

679
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: that was the stereotype they were looking for, was the

680
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: how dare you? Like? I gave you my heart and

681
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: if that's not enough for you, then I'm out enough

682
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: for you. Slam the door, you know, because that's what

683
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: they the people who are writing this stuff with their

684
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: perspective of women growing a fit, hysterical god and hysterical.

685
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the one to punch over here.

686
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: You played it, honestly, Joy, I can't tell you enough.

687
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: You played it so well and the changes that you

688
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: made were so appropriate. That is a verbatim conversation that

689
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: could happen right now, you know, like it was important

690
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: then and it's important now. And you created a new

691
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: normal for girls to have boundaries because that also I

692
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: talk about my version of feminism, which is like I'm

693
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: not sleeping with anybody, like if you want to get this,

694
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: good luck, you know. And that was always my version

695
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: of feminism because at that time there were there was

696
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: a male initiative to create this new wave of like

697
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm a free girl. It was the girl's gone wild,

698
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: it was the maxim stuff. It was the victorious secret

699
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: like angels parades, you know, Like there was this version

700
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: of feminism that was being sold to us that was like, hey,

701
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: if you want to be empowered, you should be loose

702
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: like boys, Like you should screw around like boys and

703
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: be super sexual like boys. That'll make you equal, and

704
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: it's always made me so uncomfortable. And so Haley is

705
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: a time traveler now coming in with that perspective of like, no, no,

706
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: this is precious, Like what you're looking at right here

707
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: is precious. It deserves more, earn it. And I'm glad

708
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: my daughter has a Haley in her life. It's awesome.

709
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: I dated a guy once that um when we first

710
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: started going out. He used to have these. He thought

711
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: it was tasteful, um photos of like it was like

712
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: a model basically naked models on the wall. Wait. He

713
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: had them in his house, in his house, in the kitchen.

714
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: It's so gross. And I kept being like, you have

715
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: to take these down. This is so like, what are

716
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: you eighteen years old? Take these down? Why are they anyway?

717
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: It should have been a red flag, but it's fine.

718
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: And so what I did was I ended up. He

719
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him down. He was really fighting for his

720
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. So I ordered off Amazon a

721
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: giant poster of a guy in the ocean with his

722
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: brief song but his enormous was obviously visible. They can't

723
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: handle it, they can't handle I hung. I hung this

724
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: giant poster right over the toilet in my house. Every

725
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: time he went to the bathroom he had to sit

726
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: there and stare at it. Yeah. Yes, eventually it worked.

727
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: That's genius. I mean, it's it's an awkward conversation to have,

728
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: but with your partner, it is an important conversation to have. Yeah,

729
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: you got to talk about this stuff, Nathan. I don't

730
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: love his reaction to this at all, but we know

731
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: that he's still dealing with Maybe it's their way of

732
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: showing that he's still got a little bit of Dawn

733
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: in him, you know, because you do very deb You're like,

734
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to be low tones. I'm going to escalate

735
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: the situation, you know, but I will leave you in me.

736
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: But I will leave you and take all your money out.

737
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: You can keep the trophy. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that

738
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: even though we you know, we kind of landed on

739
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: a fuzzy you know, where wishwash with with Nathan on that,

740
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: at least I feel strong about where Haley ended up

741
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: and that she set her boundary and said a good example,

742
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm proud of that. I had actually

743
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: completely forgotten about this episode and when I started as

744
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: soon as she was on the computer and saw that,

745
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: I went, oh my god, it's the porn episode. I

746
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: forgot about this. How is this going to go? And

747
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to say, I'm really proud of our work.

748
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: So you did a really good job, handful. If you're

749
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna watch porn, watch porn generated by women that actually

750
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: teach you how to pleasure a woman, because all that

751
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: was out in two thousand four that was fake. Like, girls,

752
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: don't dream like that, guys, it's not real. Um, all

753
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: those noises and like the huffing and puffing and stuff.

754
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what, let's maybe quit with all the weird,

755
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: creepy violent porn too. Let's like, oh, let's find a

756
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: little intimacy, back to intimacy please. Oh girls, I love

757
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: talking about everything with you. It's pretty. So there was

758
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: girl talk in the cafe with Deb getting her divorce

759
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: papers and Karen oh that's right, and Deb admitting she

760
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: was sad. It was beautiful. I get it, Like he

761
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: did that narcissist thing that Joy pointed out last episode

762
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: where it was like, I made you want me back.

763
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: I left the watch at the house, you know, like

764
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: she brings it to him and such a snyde remark

765
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: like maybe it's painted like she's up institute. I ate

766
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: it so gross for her to still be sad after that.

767
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: That's what I hate. Like that should have been nail

768
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: in the coffin, Like my god, it was after that. Yeah,

769
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: it's just that's the nature of it. You don't get

770
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: involved with somebody like that and and be and stay

771
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: with them for almost twenty years I guess eighteen years, uh,

772
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: sixteen years. You don't do that without the push and

773
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: pull being something that you're addicted to. And even though

774
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: you may know it's good that you're separating from that,

775
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: you still chemically you're you're still attached and emotionally, you know,

776
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: you still there's a part of you that you're going

777
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: to be sad not to have the things that did

778
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: feel good. Yeah, well Keith is going through that in

779
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: this episode. It was the most heartbreaking line of the

780
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: show was when he says to Karen, you got what

781
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: you wanted, and Lucas got what he wanted, but what

782
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: about me? You know, it sucks because he'll never be

783
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: Lucas's dad. Yeah, it was so honest the way he

784
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: delivered that line, just it was so vulnerable and real

785
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: and and a valid point and not trying to be

786
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: selfish and not trying to say, oh, did I get

787
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: out of it? I didn't get anything out of this,

788
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: you know. No, it's really like, but honestly, I matter too,

789
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: and what about what I need. I've got to take

790
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: care of myself, which maybe is the first time he's

791
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: really stood up for himself in many, many, many years,

792
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: because he's always putting other people first. Yeah, it was

793
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: really sad. I mean, it's always going to be rubbed

794
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: in his face that Dan is Lucas's real dad. And

795
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: you can see he's got this paternal thing in him,

796
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: like Keith should have a whole, you know, a little

797
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: basketball team of his own, a little you know, I

798
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: don't think basketball is sports, what do we think? Maybe

799
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: the reason that he doesn't is because he's been in

800
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: love with Karen all the time, and you know that

801
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: actually prevented him, Like how many chicks did Keith pass

802
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: up so he could like stay at home and watch

803
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: movies with Karen and Lucas exactly what could have been.

804
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him that he's going. It's beautiful. It's

805
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: nice that he's going to have his own space. And

806
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: I think pretty. It's a it's a major moment when

807
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Lucas says, I want to go with Keith. I need

808
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: what he needs. They both need to get out of

809
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Dance Scott's shadow. Yeah, they do. And what was the

810
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: reasoning for that? Like, do you remember why why Chad

811
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: had to leave? What is he doing a movie or something?

812
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to watch these episodes. No, dude,

813
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: they're setting up the cliffhanger for the finale. He's probably

814
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna play the playoff game and then leave town the

815
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: playoff and that one he said, but he's like, I

816
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: gotta leave, Like, but those Sparks. How to play the Sparks?

817
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: What about the playoffs? And Jake is leaving, They're gonna

818
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: lose the playoffs. They lose Jake, they lose Lucas, they

819
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: lose the game. Oh my gosh, they have to lose

820
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: the game because Dan's coaching. Right, Yeah, they've got to listen.

821
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: Jake is leaving because George Clooney swept in and you know,

822
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Clooney. I could have had a great

823
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: little romance arc and you ruined it. Um. I also

824
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: didn't like the Peyton's dad and Jake standing on the

825
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: wharf kind of looked alike, like they had the same

826
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: like floppy hair and like they were like they just

827
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: kind of had the same broad shoulders, and it was like,

828
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: this is like a daddy complex, this is this is uncomfortable.

829
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I liked it. It felt right. It felt like they

830
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: were right for each other because you know, mirrors in

831
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: a way that the only man who's been there for

832
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: her in her life her dad, and there's like a connection.

833
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was sweet. I know. I remember filming

834
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: that day and like genuinely being upset, like, well, what

835
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: do you mean you're not coming back? Like, oh, you're

836
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna go Cape. I was upset. I'm not ashamed to

837
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: admit it. I was upset, and I think, oh, oh,

838
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: that's what they were doing too. He had a whole

839
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: camera crew that came and followed him around because they

840
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: wrote our show into the HBO show. What was it

841
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: even called? Because it was like a made an American light? No,

842
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: it was Project green Light project. But wasn't it called

843
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: know How to Make It in America? Scrpted show? But

844
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: the Project green Light thing was about an actor like

845
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: trying to make it and it was it was Greenberg,

846
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: but it was also a little like heightened to make him, Yeah,

847
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: he's going to have to come and explain himself. Um.

848
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Speaker 1: But they filmed, and I was all nervous because we've

849
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: done our MTV true life like documentary and we were

850
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: fine to be ourselves elves, but like this was HBO.

851
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: This was like a very deal and like, okay, you

852
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: two just talk and make it normal. And I'm like,

853
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: but it's not normally. It's leaving like everything you're sad.

854
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I hope we get to talk about it with him soon.

855
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: We're the season finale next week. Can you believe we're

856
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: at the end of season one? I can't. This has

857
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: been so fun girls. I'm like, I'm so excited that

858
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: we get to dive back in. But I guys understanding

859
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: how people can binge the show because what took us

860
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: a year to create, Like, I feel like we watched

861
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: it in like a blit for sure, Sarah asks. As

862
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: much as I loved all the romantic relationships and the

863
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: friendships between the girls, the most compelling relationship to me

864
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: was the relationship between Lucas and Nathan. I found it

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00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: so special. That's cool. What are your thoughts on the

866
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: development of the brotherhood and friendship over the course of

867
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: the series. M a nice question. It is nice. Well,

868
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: I agree, it's hard to say anything beyond what we've seen,

869
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: for you know, I haven't seen it, but but I

870
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: love where we're getting up to this point. Anyway, at

871
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: the end of season one, to have had this conflict,

872
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: in this pain and then they'll they'll start to get

873
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: out of it, and then they fall back into their

874
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: old patterns. And now I feel like we're really in

875
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the moment where these two boys begin to find a

876
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: real friendship, especially this week with Lucas saying I finally

877
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: am seeing how it is for Nathan with Dan. There's

878
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: there's um, there's recognition, and I think that's a really

879
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: beautiful foundation for any any friendship, especially one born out

880
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: of conflict. Yeah, the sibling relationship is so complex. I mean,

881
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: I have a lot of siblings, and what we're seeing

882
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: in this season is appropriate. You're going to go through

883
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: seasons where you really really get a lot, and you're

884
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: going to go through seasons where you're like, oh my god,

885
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: how did we grow up in the same house? You know,

886
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: and so to see Lucas and Nathan do that you know,

887
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: episode to episode. It keeps me on my toes because

888
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, the whole porn thing could

889
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: have been a trigger for Luke to be like, you

890
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: are a bad guy. Um. I think his carousel activity

891
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: prohibited him from being too judgmental. Uh yeah, I mean

892
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see then be able to confide

893
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: in each other because the only two people on the

894
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: planet that know what it's like to be Dan Scott's

895
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: kids are those too. Yeah, and that's going to continue

896
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: to hold them together. That's going to be a thread

897
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: that binds them no matter where they go or what

898
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: they um, what they go through in life, They're always

899
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: going to have this mutual I mean, trauma bon trauma,

900
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: hate that, but they also have the there what they're

901
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: gaining from this is the shared experience of growing past.

902
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: They need they it seems that they've actually really needed

903
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: each other in order to heal from the trauma and

904
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: pain that Dan has caused both of them. And and

905
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: so maybe that's she's right. I think Sarah's right. The

906
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: magic in the show is the story of redemption that

907
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: we've you know, stories of redemption that we always see

908
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: and look for. Here that they needed each other and

909
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: that's the key. They were the key, the two of

910
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: them for each other. Yeah, it's beautiful. I like in

911
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: this episode that Nathan pretty much defends Karen. He's like,

912
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: Lucas wants to be an optimist, like we could have

913
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: teamed up against him, and Nathan's like, no, no, dude,

914
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: Like no, I would have hated each other. We would

915
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: have war. Yeah, idealistic because you weren't here. I was here.

916
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Trust Terrible is always google. All right, we got another

917
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 1: question from Brianna. She says, you've talked a lot about

918
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: the other teen dramas that were popular when you started

919
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: filming One Tree Hill. What other teen dramas have you watched?

920
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: You've been a fan of Old or New. Also, if

921
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: you could be on any other teen drama, old or New,

922
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: what would it be? That is a good question. Felicity.

923
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: You were on Felicity, Oh yeah, for an episode. But

924
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Felicity was like, that was the show we were all

925
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we were all watching that, right, Felicity was

926
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: a big deal. Also, my so called life, so called life,

927
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: you guys, my favorite show of all time ever ever

928
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: is Freaksing Geeks. I just it is my favorite. It's

929
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: the most honest depiction of this tender age that I've

930
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: ever seen on TV. Like Linda Cardelini's character, I felt

931
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: in my bones because I wanted to hang out with

932
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: like the bad boys, but I was also like a

933
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: straight a student and doing student government and the awkward

934
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: stuff that she has to deal with in that show.

935
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, thank God, thank god this exists somewhere,

936
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: and I feel so cheated that there were only two

937
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: seasons of it. I know, I know, it kills me.

938
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I still hold out hope that one day they'll do

939
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: show like we were still waiting for give us what

940
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: we want. All right, let's spin the wheels, spin it.

941
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: We still need a theme song. Which fan is going

942
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: to write us a spin the wheel theme song? Yeah,

943
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: get on it. Oh my gosh, do it? So who's

944
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: most likely to go skinny dipping? Now? I mean in

945
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: real life? Herself? Also like done it there. I only

946
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: need a place where there's no strangers and like just

947
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: friends and just friends. I don't mind strangers. Oh I do.

948
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just like spit all my I did.

949
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I literally did the thing. Listen. I was skinny dipping

950
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: for the first time. Senior year beach week, and the

951
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: boys found out and they came and they stole our clothes,

952
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: and so I had to walk no towels, no clothes.

953
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: Was like two o'clock in the morning. I had to

954
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: and just like hope that there's no one away. Did

955
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: you did you grab some leaves off a tree or something?

956
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: What did you do? Do you know? Do you know

957
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: what I found? Um, somebody's kid had left like a

958
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse T shirt like size to tea at the pool, right,

959
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: And so I grabbed this tea because it was like

960
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: a community pool in like the area of the beach

961
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: where we're saying around this little kids, and I figured

962
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: I needed to cover up my business with that, and

963
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: then armed to cover my boobs. And I was like

964
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: everyone's seen butts, and so it was a very precarious.

965
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: You didn't step into it. No, it was a two tea.

966
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: Joy John would have crafted a whole outfit. She's like,

967
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: this is a scene ripper. I'll just bite it with

968
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: my teeth and make it a skirt. Oh my god, yeah,

969
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: Skinny Dippen. Now. But there's time, friends, there's there's always time.

970
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: That'll be our next lee party. I can't wait if

971
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: you guys join us next week, We've got the season finale.

972
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: It's episode number twenty two. The games that play us

973
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Season one finale. I can't even believe it. This was

974
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the first time we thought we were going to get canceled.

975
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: So the playoffs, everybody, We're going go Ravens. All right,

976
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: you guys have a great week, have a good one,

977
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: but they Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave

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981
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