Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out, Manashi put a coon, don't forget
Speaker 1: check me out on the Bootleg cav podcast See you soon.
Speaker 2: Yo, Bootleg cav show Man, we got a special guest
Speaker 2: in here, a living legend Akon in the building's going on?
Speaker 2: What's good? Brother?
Speaker 1: Amazing?
Speaker 2: First of all, he got this new song Going Crazy.
Speaker 2: I gotta say congrats. I can't believe it's been twenty
Speaker 2: years since the debut album dropped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: It's time, I flew. It makes me feel like old
Speaker 2: because I just remember. I just remember that, you know,
Speaker 2: just a few of them records just being on mixtapes,
Speaker 2: and there was like I think Green Lantern had the
Speaker 2: remix of Ghetto Going Crazy, and I'm like, damn, that
Speaker 2: was twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: How does it feel, man?
Speaker 1: Now? It feels amazing, Yeah, because I don't feel like
Speaker 1: twenty is to me right. It really don't. Like it
Speaker 1: feels like like just a few years made it right.
Speaker 1: Because even now, when I look at my career in
Speaker 1: the business and I'm still relevant in it, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that twenty years went past.
Speaker 2: Right super fast. Yeah, and you've had so much like
Speaker 2: like arms to your business. Like obviously as an artist
Speaker 2: that's one thing, prolific run and it's still going. And
Speaker 2: then as an executive as an newer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all that played a role. And I
Speaker 1: used to always say that in the beginning as one
Speaker 1: of my advice is just trying to put on his people,
Speaker 1: put on as many people as possible, right, because they
Speaker 1: become the longevity of your career because as long as
Speaker 1: they're out in the marketplace, they always bring your energy around.
Speaker 1: When they see them, they see you. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a way of extending your career to the max.
Speaker 2: Yo. How dope is it to have like your brother
Speaker 2: also have his own like success, right, Like Boots had
Speaker 2: so many killing it and he's done so much. Right.
Speaker 2: I feel like I just found out somebody who was
Speaker 2: behind or somewhere he was right, was like, dam he's
Speaker 2: there now, Like I forget he's doing everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, boo, working man. He was meant to be an
Speaker 1: exec Yeah, Like a lot of people don't know. It
Speaker 1: was Bood that foundy Pain and brought him to me. Crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he was he came
Speaker 1: in already from an executive mind space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You and Pain Got Us are a
Speaker 2: show coming up at Red Rocks. Yeah, Red Rock Halloween
Speaker 2: Eve thirtieth Grace who headlines at it's actually Pain Show.
Speaker 2: So it's t Pain Show. You're okay.
Speaker 1: He's bringing me out as a special gift.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, How many songs are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be crazy. Yo.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: So the last time you were on the show, you
Speaker 2: had just had your hair thing done and from Turkey
Speaker 2: we talked about it defensively. You've shaved it all off.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I got a new look.
Speaker 1: Now, I got a new look.
Speaker 2: So what made you shave off? Because you had you
Speaker 2: went and got the procedure done just to shave it.
Speaker 1: What the thing is, I can always allow it to
Speaker 1: grow back. Okay, that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 2: So for this run, you're like, I'm shaving the head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, it's like it's a lot of maintenance,
Speaker 1: keeping the waves going and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also look like, you know, you look
Speaker 2: like Trouble Acon right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like I look a little bit younger with it.
Speaker 1: They say, I look a lot younger with it. But
Speaker 1: it feels better too, especially around the summertime when it
Speaker 1: was super hot. I think when it gets cold, I
Speaker 1: might you know, less, some more hair grow or whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be.
Speaker 2: But talk to me about like obviously this new record
Speaker 2: beautiful Days dope, but I know like you got to
Speaker 2: you got a new album on the.
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, a new album not Guilty, not Guilty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's a statement for the culture.
Speaker 1: I just think the culture is under attack right now.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: Just in general? I think, you know the way it's
Speaker 1: just such a negative vibration in the music business, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it came from just miseducation. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: like when I look, that's that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I even created a Beautiful Day, because I just
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes we take the most. We take a
Speaker 1: lot of things for granted. Bro, Like, no matter how
Speaker 1: bad your life is, somebody out there got it worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're always focusing on what we want or what
Speaker 1: we should have versus what we already have that we
Speaker 1: should be grateful for.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like with any because there's been so
Speaker 2: many negative things happening in the music industry, so many
Speaker 2: people are worried about people getting exposed with the Ditty situation.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that because obviously, like we kind
Speaker 2: of all grew up like looking at Ditty and like
Speaker 2: look for Diddy's rights or wrongs, Like he's a mogul,
Speaker 2: you know, He's somebody who we could look at and
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I want to aspire to be for boss. Like,
Speaker 2: So when something like this happens and it feels like
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of you know, aftershock
Speaker 2: that might affect other people in the music industry, do
Speaker 2: you feel like like you like there's like a weight
Speaker 2: of that situation in particular, weighing on just the industry
Speaker 2: in general.
Speaker 1: I think it's weighing on the whole industry because I
Speaker 1: don't think a situation like that can happen without the
Speaker 1: industry's participation, you know what I mean. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, the industry always like bread these kind of situations,
Speaker 1: these kind of behaviors, And I think it's at a
Speaker 1: time now where the world itself is just cleansing itself.
Speaker 1: I think I see this more of as a spiritual
Speaker 1: movement than it is something physical or someone being you know,
Speaker 1: directly targeted, if that makes sense, Because this is something
Speaker 1: that needs to be exposed for everyone spiritually to cleanse themselves, emotions,
Speaker 1: their thoughts, all the lives need to come out. Like
Speaker 1: we just need to get back to being human versus
Speaker 1: playing the role of where other people want us to play.
Speaker 1: And I think we're at that point now where you're
Speaker 1: forced to now have have to confront all your doings.
Speaker 1: I just think like nature does that spiritually, it does
Speaker 1: it physically, Like like even think about all these hurricanes
Speaker 1: and all this stuff in areas that we never expected
Speaker 1: it to happen. Yeah, all, I mean, the world is
Speaker 1: just cleansing itself, period, and I don't think we're going
Speaker 1: to be exempt to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You think there's like a spiritual cleansing for sure.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that is one thing you said, like
Speaker 2: when it comes to like certain levels of some of
Speaker 2: this stuff that just became like normal behavior, like you said,
Speaker 2: like everybody is Yeah, I mean people were ignoring this stuff,
Speaker 2: I mean participating and enabling you know. I mean you
Speaker 2: can go all the way back to like some of
Speaker 2: the allegations against like Russell Simmons, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's like this kind of behavior isn't new and
Speaker 2: it was kind of the worst kept secret. So that's
Speaker 2: where I wonder once all of the like trials and
Speaker 2: start happening, like does security have to play a part
Speaker 2: in getting in trouble? Of course, the assistant, I mean
Speaker 2: who the emails, the person that runs and picks up
Speaker 2: the drugs. You know, there's gonna be so many people, Like,
Speaker 2: there's so many people name.
Speaker 1: There's too many elements, and it's nothing that he could
Speaker 1: have personally been able to do by himself. It had
Speaker 1: to be supported by people around him that support the
Speaker 1: whole concept. And I think this is the point where
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, going to be worried. And this's the
Speaker 1: reason why the whole industry is quiet. No one's speaking
Speaker 1: out because as many people that this man has helped
Speaker 1: uplifted and set up to live them lives, their lives,
Speaker 1: will set up their lives of family, you would expect
Speaker 1: someone to come in this defense, but no one's. The
Speaker 1: only person who did was Stevie j I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's probably the only one.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you haven't been any.
Speaker 1: Freak offs, unfortunately, because I was never a party person, and.
Speaker 2: Any time I see you at any like event, it's
Speaker 2: like you're there on business and.
Speaker 1: You never really see me hanging around with celebrities or
Speaker 1: not that anew because that was never really my life.
Speaker 1: I just saw it as work for perspective, but I
Speaker 1: always thought the mindset of how people or celebrities per
Speaker 1: se think they always felt like they were above everyone else,
Speaker 1: and I didn't like that attitude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like, even like you know,
Speaker 2: any time I've ever had encounters with you, you're very
Speaker 2: like you're just a normal dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just blessed to be in a position, but
Speaker 1: you're also eight con I get it. I'm popular, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it changed the man though.
Speaker 2: You know, YO, talk to me about something, because obviously
Speaker 2: you have a lot of entrepreneurial stuff. I just opened
Speaker 2: a pizza restaurant here in Burbank, and I.
Speaker 1: Helped me too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I heard you open one in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got yep. I got a three in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: one in Jacksonville that we just opened up, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna spread out to the West Coast as well too.
Speaker 2: Pizza. You should do a collabor we should, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: right here on the corner. It's right here, and that.
Speaker 1: Would be hard. Yeah, that would be done.
Speaker 2: How has the Pizza game been for you? Like?
Speaker 1: Man, amazing? Like bro like it takes I mean literally,
Speaker 1: it only costs eight cents to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pizza is the highest it's the highest margin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, it's the highest margin for any food
Speaker 1: in the world. It's like, but then it's so good
Speaker 1: and it's a snack. It's also could be a meal.
Speaker 2: It'll never go astordable, it'll never go.
Speaker 1: Out of style. It's like the best business to go
Speaker 1: into if you're talking about food.
Speaker 2: So you guys, you got three of them? Yeah, four
Speaker 2: now four shots to Jacksonville. Man, that's j Yeah.
Speaker 1: The goal is to get twenty by the end of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty aycon in the Pizza Game.
Speaker 2: Do you have any other franchises or anything you're a
Speaker 2: part of that?
Speaker 1: You have, no, no, But the next one's gonna be
Speaker 1: a jelif Rice fast food restaurant. Oh fire, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be called it's gonna be fast food like
Speaker 1: McDonald's or Wendy's or whatever. But that's more like African
Speaker 1: cuisine but quick almost like what's that one? Uh Chipotle?
Speaker 2: Chipotle? Yeah, no, that is interesting because there hasn't been
Speaker 2: any I feel like we don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: exposure on a commercial level the African food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. Like we get Jamaican, feel like you can
Speaker 2: get jerk chicken it like.
Speaker 1: You can get Jamaican, you can get Chinese, you can get.
Speaker 2: Time for sure. Yo? What for you? Man? Like talk
Speaker 2: to me just about like your your how how do
Speaker 2: you feel about where we are musically right now? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like we've had like a interesting year because
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like the Kendrick Drake thing kind
Speaker 2: of took over this year in terms of hip hop,
Speaker 2: at least and at least for me as like a fan.
Speaker 2: I appreciated the fact people were like cared about bars again.
Speaker 1: Right, So that was the positivity, and that was the
Speaker 1: positive hip hop back to its essence.
Speaker 2: It did. It also created like the civil War of
Speaker 2: hip hop.
Speaker 1: Right, But I honestly believe it or not. As much
Speaker 1: as I loved the idea that that happened, I wish
Speaker 1: it would have ended on a shaking hands by gods
Speaker 1: be by gods let them continue, because that's the one
Speaker 1: thing about the hip hop industry, Like when you look
Speaker 1: at the LL and Cool Mo d Beef all the
Speaker 1: way back in the day, those boys, after all of that,
Speaker 1: they came back and set an example like listen, this
Speaker 1: friendly competition. You know, they both went at it. You
Speaker 1: know who won, This is what it is, and they
Speaker 1: kept moving on with their careers. And I think sometime
Speaker 1: with this generation, we take things so emotionally personal to
Speaker 1: the point where it goes beyond the competition on wax
Speaker 1: that it can easily like kind yes, easily spill over
Speaker 1: into some real live, you know, beef. And I just
Speaker 1: think that we got to be it. We have to
Speaker 1: change that, that that tone of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too, like with with this like new
Speaker 2: landscape of fans in the internet right like now fans
Speaker 2: are embolded, they're trying to expose artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, Oh my goodness, that man. Listen.
Speaker 1: The vibration of what music is is just it's so
Speaker 1: negative right now, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it. Honestly, I would kind of
Speaker 1: give my generation, I will say we were partly responsible
Speaker 1: for that too. You know what I mean, because I
Speaker 1: think it was a different stet like the hip hop
Speaker 1: generation that we came up to on you know, like
Speaker 1: the African Bombardas and all them, Like they always on
Speaker 1: positive messages. It was always party. If it was something
Speaker 1: that that kind of like scrubbed the edge of content,
Speaker 1: it was always about something political that was going on
Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods. Whe we got about like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then later, you know, when
Speaker 1: our generation came, then, you know, gangster rap kind of
Speaker 1: opened the door up for a different era of music
Speaker 1: where street crimes and street you know, you could say,
Speaker 1: politics became something to brag about. It became something that
Speaker 1: you needed to be attached to to make it in
Speaker 1: hip hop, to be relevant or even to be heard,
Speaker 1: or even to be looked at as somebody official. So
Speaker 1: then what happened was this new generation took that and
Speaker 1: really felt like they can glorify being gangster, glorified getting
Speaker 1: shot versus shooting, to the point where you can't be
Speaker 1: a rapper unless you got or like you've been locked
Speaker 1: up or you've been shot, or you've been shot at,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Almost like that becomes your
Speaker 1: calling card or your your your backstage pass to become
Speaker 1: a part of the entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I always say this too, like it kind
Speaker 2: of fans become desensitized to when people die.
Speaker 1: To the point where it's like it's a part of it.
Speaker 2: Well, they look at I feel like they're they're looking
Speaker 2: at a lot of these kids as like characters in
Speaker 2: the TV show that they watch on YouTube. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so if someone dies, they're like, well, I'm gonna leave
Speaker 2: a comment. I know who did it? You know, like
Speaker 2: it's it's it's crazy. But you were kind of like
Speaker 2: the the first R and B artist who came into
Speaker 2: the game talking that talk like you before you, I
Speaker 2: can't think of another artist who was singing that was
Speaker 2: I mean, think about locked up, Like yeah, talking about
Speaker 2: your first single was talking about being incarcerated, which is
Speaker 2: a crazy thought to be like, Yo, this is I
Speaker 2: had a singing ass song with style talking about being
Speaker 2: locked up. And that's changed music.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, No, it really did. And I think because
Speaker 1: at the time when I came, R and B was
Speaker 1: really more about begging and love making.
Speaker 2: And being a simp. Yeah, very very s and you
Speaker 2: also kind of came in when the R and B
Speaker 2: group was very popping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like edge. Yeah, you had a lot
Speaker 1: of boy bands out there, one Twelves and all that,
Speaker 1: and then on the other side you have the Insyncts
Speaker 1: and the Backstreet Boys and all that stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of was the balance because everything was really
Speaker 1: a lot of happy, go lucky R and B type
Speaker 1: of stuff, whereas that was a whole struggle that was
Speaker 1: being talked about on my album that was just in
Speaker 1: an arm beformed, but lyrically just didn't match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know something that I'm curious because
Speaker 2: obviously you you know, you being from where you're from,
Speaker 2: and some of the narrative that's out there about like
Speaker 2: immigrants coming to the United States, right obviously, uh Trump
Speaker 2: famously during the debate talked about that they're eating the cats, They're.
Speaker 1: Eating my gosh.
Speaker 2: I just I just wonder, like for you being on
Speaker 2: both sides of like coming into this country as an
Speaker 2: immigrant and then also turning into a very successful entrepreneur, artists,
Speaker 2: you know all of that, Like, like, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that kind of whole discussion about like immigration
Speaker 2: kind of like you know, the border being a wild
Speaker 2: place right now? I heard I do I do here
Speaker 2: for you know, it is like a free for all
Speaker 2: low key.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean up, all borders at a certain line
Speaker 1: is free for all because you can't board the whole.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not enough people to literally lock down
Speaker 1: every border, every entrance, every exit. Right, So I just
Speaker 1: me personally, I just think borders is one of the
Speaker 1: main reasons why people don't get along. I think borders
Speaker 1: is one of our biggest mistakes ever. We should never
Speaker 1: like this is God created this land for us to
Speaker 1: roam through it freely. That should never be a line
Speaker 1: saying Okay, this man can't cross here or this woman
Speaker 1: can't cross here. I don't think we should ever have
Speaker 1: borders at all. Like I think we should be able
Speaker 1: to roam through every parts of the earth as we
Speaker 1: please or see fit. There will be a lot more peace,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think people that's in a situation where
Speaker 1: life is not that good or struggle is created in
Speaker 1: that area going naturally want to get away from struggle
Speaker 1: and be in a more comfortable environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a person's place to say that.
Speaker 1: You don't know, you're not allowed to come to a
Speaker 1: place where you can thrive. And I think that idea
Speaker 1: of it is what creates the problems because even when
Speaker 1: you look at Mexico, there's this double line standard as
Speaker 1: to which Mexicans you can let in and which ones
Speaker 1: you don't. There's a lot of illegal Mexicans that's working
Speaker 1: in America.
Speaker 2: Oh tons, yeah, I mean I don't know if the
Speaker 2: country would the country would not function out without without
Speaker 2: the labor.
Speaker 1: That it's impossible, right, So you can't try to set
Speaker 1: a line now saying Okay, well they're illegal, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're hiring illegals, like what's the point and then you
Speaker 1: don't even give them a Social Security number to be
Speaker 1: able to get a legitimate check. And then you're down
Speaker 1: waging them and giving them lower rages and they're supposed
Speaker 1: to naturally get or paying them cast or there's no
Speaker 1: tax involved. So now you implicating yourself. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a wrong on both sides. We can just all
Speaker 1: be human and just work together, because believe me, I
Speaker 1: love going to Mexico. I love having a great time
Speaker 1: in Cancun or wherever the place may be, or going
Speaker 1: even into the further parts of Mexico. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. I think that the idea of
Speaker 1: that that that border exists creates opportunity for more craziness
Speaker 1: to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did your family come over?
Speaker 1: My mom and dad, they came in as they came
Speaker 1: in legally, but they made sure that we were all
Speaker 1: born in the US, so we would have no problems
Speaker 1: with immigration in the fast. So my dad was he thought,
Speaker 1: in the few we have kids in the US, right,
Speaker 1: and then you can take them back, because that's that
Speaker 1: what happens. After all us was born, he shipped us
Speaker 1: all back to Africa. Who was raised you know, came
Speaker 1: in speaking Spanish, French. We didn't speak English until we
Speaker 1: got through America.
Speaker 2: Damn you So you speak how many languages for four?
Speaker 2: That is crazy?
Speaker 1: What is your like the dialect and senegalgue? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: well off is the native tongue?
Speaker 2: That's dope. Many are you leaning in either direction? In
Speaker 2: terms of the presidential election? At this point, I've seen
Speaker 2: a lot of people come to the Trump side that
Speaker 2: maybe not would have been on its side four years ago,
Speaker 2: and versa.
Speaker 1: And vice versa. I think politics is just a big
Speaker 1: game of who can convince who that they belong to
Speaker 1: be that they need to be. Me personally, I believe
Speaker 1: that we do need a woman leader. Even if it
Speaker 1: was I think it's kind of overdue, right, I think
Speaker 1: it's overdue because one thing about women, they their motivation
Speaker 1: is family. And I think the rules, the laws, the
Speaker 1: bills that family is going to pass will be more
Speaker 1: catered to family versus what Trump would pass. Trump from
Speaker 1: a male's perspective, our motivation is power, So the bills
Speaker 1: that we pass are always going to be something that's
Speaker 1: going to always have a conversation between two parties where
Speaker 1: a war can either break out or somebody's going to
Speaker 1: have to be set an example of to show that
Speaker 1: we have that we have strength. Right. So I think
Speaker 1: now for America specifically and most a lot of parts
Speaker 1: of the world, we need more women leaders.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And because women just they just naturally manage households better
Speaker 1: than men.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think there's a certain level of compassion
Speaker 2: that is we're.
Speaker 1: Sing in politics specifically because what's happening in Gaza to.
Speaker 2: Me, zero compassion, none, and that's crazy to me, it
Speaker 2: is heartbreaking, It's unbelievable, it is heartbreaking. I saw a
Speaker 2: video today that really fucked me up.
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel like every day I open Twitter and I
Speaker 2: just it ruins my mood for an hour.
Speaker 1: I promise you.
Speaker 2: Happen.
Speaker 1: It's not even necessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild, you know. And the other thing too,
Speaker 2: is like, uh, you know, Gaza is such a a
Speaker 2: very sad situation and I'm glad that it's also I've
Speaker 2: been noticing on Twitter more people are talking about what's
Speaker 2: going on in the Congo too, right, with these with
Speaker 2: these the mines for the battery materials and all that,
Speaker 2: and because that's a whole other.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other man. Every single all of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we go in there all come from elements
Speaker 1: coming from Africa.
Speaker 2: And if you see the video of these mines, I mean,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't think you would think it was cgi right,
Speaker 2: It's eighty thousand people stacked on top of each other, babies,
Speaker 2: you know, women and mothers carrying babies on their back
Speaker 2: while they're mining for them. Right, It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, talk to me. I saw what is going
Speaker 2: on with with the city, with your city, because I
Speaker 2: saw that that synagogue city you had like a deadline
Speaker 2: and give me the update on what's going, because a
Speaker 2: lot of people calling you, like saying it was a scam,
Speaker 2: Like what is happening?
Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, it's a city.
Speaker 2: Let's clear it up.
Speaker 1: No city is built in twenty four hours, right. A
Speaker 1: house takes twelve months, sometimes.
Speaker 2: For th teams, sometimes longer.
Speaker 1: We're building literally a city, right, it's gonna take time.
Speaker 1: I think the mistake that I made was promoting it
Speaker 1: while the concept was being put together. So what happened
Speaker 1: was people already assumed that it existed and that's what
Speaker 1: it was. So while we're trying to put together the licenses,
Speaker 1: getting all the suits, the feasibility studies going on, the
Speaker 1: environmental studies and all of that's happening, the world is
Speaker 1: looking at Acon City as if the construction had.
Speaker 2: Already because you had already started talking about it, right.
Speaker 1: And I think, but these are all mistakes that you
Speaker 1: make as you go. Right now, the process is still
Speaker 1: in motion. Things are already moving and as time go.
Speaker 1: That's why I've been keeping a light, quiet conversation when
Speaker 1: it comes to the city until we get further into
Speaker 1: the project to where I can start having real conversations
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Have you like, are you and Senegogu like good in
Speaker 2: terms of just like oh yeah, we want to they're
Speaker 2: up to up.
Speaker 1: To date on everybody's up to date. Everything is, everything
Speaker 1: is on the up.
Speaker 2: And have you seen this just unrelated, but have you
Speaker 2: seen this thing that they're building And I think it's
Speaker 2: in Dubay, that long.
Speaker 1: Yet limb that's in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is crazy. And interestingly enough, the guy that
Speaker 1: put together that whole master plan is to that I
Speaker 1: just brought on board to help me arrange some ideas
Speaker 1: over the city.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for people who don't know they're building this like
Speaker 2: long steel city.
Speaker 1: It's like crazy.
Speaker 2: It is something that you would see like in like
Speaker 2: a sci fi movie as a kid, right, and they're
Speaker 2: actually doing it. It's like I saw a staff that
Speaker 2: like they're using like twenty or thirty percent of the
Speaker 2: world's steel manufacturing is going to that city right now,
Speaker 2: because they're building this city in the middle of the desert.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the desert, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like it's this long, it looks it looks it looks
Speaker 2: like a line. Yeah, it's fucking nuh. And that whole line.
Speaker 1: Everything will be inside it, by the way.
Speaker 2: Like everything you need, grocery stores, gyms, entertainment, subways, transportation. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Once you're in there, you're in there.
Speaker 2: So you brought that guy on to help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the guys that did the master plan
Speaker 1: is working with men.
Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: Man. No, No, that's cool.
Speaker 2: You got to get a little condo over there, and then.
Speaker 1: You're definitely gonna have a spot in Limp for sure.
Speaker 2: How for you, man? Like what is I feel like
Speaker 2: we're also in like a cool era where a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, I just we forgot juveniles weed sitting here.
Speaker 2: But Juvie's on tour with Manny Fresh doing his his
Speaker 2: twenty fifth anniversary of four hundred degrees. I mean, Tea
Speaker 2: Pains have such a crazy touring renaissance. I feel like
Speaker 2: we're to the point now where we're kind of like
Speaker 2: appreciating guys like yourself and like the era of music
Speaker 2: because like you said, the vibrations and music have been
Speaker 2: so low and whatever we said earlier about like yeah
Speaker 2: that like like obviously drug dealing and shoot shoot them
Speaker 2: uphit was glorified during your era, which I which was
Speaker 2: my era too, But also there was a lot of
Speaker 2: music that was just fun right right, Like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like if I think you're like your
Speaker 2: biggest records, like they're just fun right. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like do you feel like that's what's missing
Speaker 2: right now? Is like artists are like kind of getting
Speaker 2: away from just like yo, Like people need music to
Speaker 2: live to. People know they do.
Speaker 1: I think today they're too cool to have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you've been to almost like being fun is
Speaker 1: being soft.
Speaker 2: And you go to a nightclub, everyone's standing around, mean
Speaker 2: mugging in five bottles. Right, everybody is too tense. Man,
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's way too much man. Like With us, it was
Speaker 1: different because when you did get that energy, it stayed
Speaker 1: on the record because regardless of what it is, when
Speaker 1: you came out, everybody was still cool. But on the record,
Speaker 1: it was on the record. It's been as usual. But
Speaker 1: when they meet up in person, they lined up and
Speaker 1: get you on that next record. They to watch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was different because we understood
Speaker 1: that it was still entertainment. Today they think entertainment is
Speaker 1: supposed to be life, and life has to be reflected
Speaker 1: in that entertainment, and that's where it gets dangerous.
Speaker 2: I'm curious now that, like, you know, we've had this,
Speaker 2: like fifty cent has been prolific with the television shows.
Speaker 2: BMF's a big show. Now Big Meach is out. So
Speaker 2: I'm really curious it's gonna happen with Meach because he
Speaker 2: could like have the number one podcast in hip hop
Speaker 2: if he like, if he like did a podcast tomorrow
Speaker 2: or did like I mean that that there's a very
Speaker 2: successful stars show about his life and now he's free.
Speaker 1: Now he's free. But Meach is one of probably the
Speaker 1: smartest dudes I've ever met, man and all that, but
Speaker 1: he's already got a plan on what he's gonna do
Speaker 1: when you get out, I promise.
Speaker 2: And he's in a halfway house, right, he's out right
Speaker 2: out in Florida. So you've met Meach before?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know the cool guy in my family,
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you go into these crazy parties where they had
Speaker 2: like tigers and ship and while yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to go to all those guys crazy.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing he's he in at a beach party?
Speaker 2: In terms of like just animal.
Speaker 1: Animals, because it's like it's a hood like niot the
Speaker 1: hell you know, tigers and ship.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, like like what babysitting Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was a visionary though, and I think that
Speaker 1: place to his advantage because he thinks beyond the average person,
Speaker 1: because he knows that whatever it is in your mind
Speaker 1: that you think you can actually make it happen, you's
Speaker 1: got to work towards and get the find the money
Speaker 1: to get it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know recently you you were a part of
Speaker 2: uh Vitalities been doing these things on child predators. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I would say the most viral run he did
Speaker 2: was when the arrested child predator and You're standing there
Speaker 2: singing locked up to this guy. It was hilarious. Tell
Speaker 2: me about that situation because obviously I'm sure did Vitality
Speaker 2: did he bag you out to do that? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: he was getting everyone in their mom on that show.
Speaker 1: He was he was he was already getting everybody on it.
Speaker 1: I just felt like everybody approached it in such a
Speaker 1: a in a negative way, really, right. But at the time,
Speaker 1: I was promoting my twentieth anniversary of Trouble, and I
Speaker 1: feel like this would be a perfect opportunity to do
Speaker 1: that while at the same time utilizing those kind of
Speaker 1: platforms and find different ways to market and promote and
Speaker 1: lo and behold, Whack whack one hundred. Big shotsta wa
Speaker 1: Wack called me. Was like, yokahn, hey man, I got
Speaker 1: batality Man. He wants to do this thing with you
Speaker 1: with the predators. I said, what you mean predators like
Speaker 1: off the top. I was like, nah, you know what, wag,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But then he was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you check out man game just did it. You know,
Speaker 1: all these dudes did and everything, And so I checked
Speaker 1: and looked and I was like, oh, this is actually
Speaker 1: not bad.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I mean, you're of it.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what this is, this is this,
Speaker 1: this would be perfect. So then that's when we reached
Speaker 1: out and then we have batalitly conversated on what he
Speaker 1: was going doing, and he's like, yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: go crazy.
Speaker 2: So my thing is, like you know, I always say,
Speaker 2: because a lot of people have been like critical of
Speaker 2: him for doing it the way he is doing it,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, who cares? Who cares? I think those people,
Speaker 2: even if they never get arrested. The fact that they're
Speaker 2: publicly out there is shame. Yes, that's enough, Like great,
Speaker 2: because I hope your life is ruined.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was crazy, like even the one
Speaker 1: that we did, the episode we did, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this dude, I'm like, he's not even all the way there. Mentally,
Speaker 1: he's not like you could tell he's not he's sane,
Speaker 1: but he's definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now people know what he looks like, so
Speaker 2: now they eat the job or if he works around kids.
Speaker 2: It's like, how you know, I.
Speaker 1: Felt bad for him at the time it was happening.
Speaker 1: Even though I was smiling and doing it. I knew
Speaker 1: that this was going to change his life because I
Speaker 1: know this is something he don't never want to go
Speaker 1: through again. But in my mind, I'm like, man, somebody
Speaker 1: should have been there. That video had his converse because
Speaker 1: he's like, I can tell that he wasn't all there.
Speaker 2: He well, yeah, that sh it was I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: It was he got a fee was.
Speaker 2: Funny saying they like they did you talk to the cops?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see at the time the cops say't know
Speaker 1: he was gonna do that because they probably would have
Speaker 1: told us we couldn't do it, so we ain't say
Speaker 1: nothing about it.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like the cops are like, yeah, I'm a fan,
Speaker 2: like uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah afterwards afterwards, one of the cops like, men, I
Speaker 1: wanted to bust out laughing so bad, but I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Imagine you go to work that day, you don't know
Speaker 2: that you're about to arrest the child predator while AKN
Speaker 2: performs locked Up. That is hilarious.
Speaker 1: That was too funny.
Speaker 2: Bro, Yo, have you watched uh The New Joker too,
Speaker 2: with your girl lady guy guy in it? Yeah? What
Speaker 2: were your thoughts? It's getting panned critically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you understand, like she's always been
Speaker 1: an amazing actress artist.
Speaker 2: All that Star Is Born is one of the best
Speaker 2: movies ever.
Speaker 1: I promise you, bro, she's a three sixty everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, those critics are always critics,
Speaker 1: always gonna attack you, But to me, when they attack it,
Speaker 1: and I mean, that was that was that was a
Speaker 1: piece that was well worth doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how did you like the movie?
Speaker 1: I like the movie?
Speaker 2: You liked it.
Speaker 1: I like the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think it just wasn't what a
Speaker 2: lot of people expect. It's almost like The Wire season two.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever watched The Wire.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: Okay, The Wire season two was like it just took
Speaker 2: a crazy left turn and everybody didn't appreciate it until
Speaker 2: years later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think with me, it was a
Speaker 1: little different because I kind of already knew what it
Speaker 1: was going to be, and I've already seen the storyline
Speaker 1: already to know what that was going to be, versus okay,
Speaker 1: anticipating something and then getting something different.
Speaker 2: Do you I wonder you know, with what a lot
Speaker 2: of artists have been doing with selling their catalog, your
Speaker 2: catalog's got to be pretty unprecedented in terms of just
Speaker 2: all the stuff you've been a part of, whether it's
Speaker 2: the Tea pain stuff, the Lady God Got stuff, your
Speaker 2: own solo stuff, all of that stuff. Have you been
Speaker 2: approached for the catalog thing and have you sold anything?
Speaker 1: I think I think everybody's been approached for it, because
Speaker 1: that's the game. Yeah, when you look at the catalog stuff,
Speaker 1: I think for the most artists out there, if you
Speaker 1: do have an extensive catalog. Hold on to it, don't
Speaker 1: sell it.
Speaker 2: So you haven't sold anything.
Speaker 1: Hold on to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah for you, it's like it's got to be just
Speaker 2: like it's residual income.
Speaker 1: Everyone what people don't also have mis calculators that the
Speaker 1: industry is changing and technology is moving into the future.
Speaker 1: So in a minute, there's gonna be like licensing music
Speaker 1: going to be the driver for everything on the internet
Speaker 1: and everything on the metaverse. Metaverse is going to be
Speaker 1: the future of entertained. I mean in a period.
Speaker 2: I say this too. It's like, if all of these
Speaker 2: private equity firms are buying up catalog, they might know
Speaker 2: something we don't know exactly. So it's like you might
Speaker 2: just want to hold out.
Speaker 1: Unless you need the money to survive. Hold on to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you get an official offer?
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, oh no, I got I got
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: How can you share what's like the craziest offer you got?
Speaker 1: No, Because then it's gonna it's gonna convince others to sell.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to sell.
Speaker 2: I feel like it'd be close to a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't want them to sell like.
Speaker 2: You're the amount of like, like the amount of records
Speaker 2: that you probably old cuts up. It's just kind of
Speaker 2: be fucking insane.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's wild yo for you man. Uh, what
Speaker 2: is what is the direction of your new album?
Speaker 1: That the direct? Oh, I can't wait for y'all to hear.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna change the game from a perspective
Speaker 1: of just the energy of what music is now versus
Speaker 1: where it needs to go. I really do believe that
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna put more smiles on
Speaker 1: people's faces. It's gonna change the energy of records that
Speaker 1: make you feel good or music that felt good period
Speaker 1: in times where you needed to hear something to kind
Speaker 1: of put you through something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there any homage to like the sound to
Speaker 2: your first album?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think if you like the first album, this
Speaker 1: second album, the first this You know what, if I
Speaker 1: had to put this album in category of any of
Speaker 1: my three albums, I would say it was it was
Speaker 1: a mix of all three albums for this album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would definitely be a mix of all three albums.
Speaker 1: Because I realized I built three different bases because the
Speaker 1: first album was more of a hip hop bas for audience.
Speaker 1: Then the second album was more rhythmic, cross album pop.
Speaker 1: Third album was popped. Yeah. So this, this album that
Speaker 1: I'm putting out, A Not Guilty, gives you a number
Speaker 1: of all of that.
Speaker 2: I'm curious man, Like, from a radio perspective, when you
Speaker 2: would meet program directors, did they ever give you hell
Speaker 2: about how hard you made their job because there was
Speaker 2: just no artist separation? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, interesting enough you brought that up. The
Speaker 1: reason why they created that artist separation law was because
Speaker 1: of what I was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like, Yo, every a coon z
Speaker 2: on fucking everything, and then after you it was t
Speaker 2: Pain's on fucking everything. And then Lil Wayne had that Runner.
Speaker 2: He was on fucking everything. And now Drake is just like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, but that's why he did it for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's it's wild too because like for a
Speaker 2: while there, like you were like everybody needed an acon hook.
Speaker 2: Was there a feature that you almost did that didn't
Speaker 2: end up coming out, or maybe something you cut that
Speaker 2: didn't end up dropping, or something that almost happened that
Speaker 2: didn't because you because you worked with so many artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many. It was actually a record that I
Speaker 1: did with Nicki Minaj. It never dropped, it'd never dropped,
Speaker 1: but it was I think would have been probably one
Speaker 1: of my biggest pop records.
Speaker 2: Wow, what year was this?
Speaker 1: This happened in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is recent recent, that.
Speaker 1: Is, But back then I would probably say the one
Speaker 1: that didn't come out was me And who was that?
Speaker 1: Can I e remember which one it was? Ooh, well,
Speaker 1: the one that didn't come out but then eventually came
Speaker 1: out after was doing with Michael Jackson. Ah, because that
Speaker 1: was supposed.
Speaker 2: To come out while he was while he was alive.
Speaker 1: But then it was a lot of complication on the
Speaker 1: release between Universal and Sony on the negotiations of it,
Speaker 1: and then when Mike passed, the song went to his
Speaker 1: estate and then two years later they ended up putting
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Did you end up having any conversations with Mike when
Speaker 2: he was alive, Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he was. He was my road dof for
Speaker 1: like two years before he passed.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: He was doing a lot of work together and then
Speaker 1: he was also doing a lot of new music that
Speaker 1: was supposed to drop for his tour that he was
Speaker 1: doing in the UK.
Speaker 2: What was something like just being around Michael Jackson. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's so many misconceptions about him, Yeah, too many. I
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people also didn't really know.
Speaker 1: Him, They didn't know him at all.
Speaker 2: What would you say your experience of being with him
Speaker 2: was this? Man?
Speaker 1: I think I wish the world would have gotten to
Speaker 1: see and know him the way I did, because you
Speaker 1: were And then I also realized why he was probably
Speaker 1: the biggest artist on the planet. His heart drove everything
Speaker 1: that he did. His focus was always on kids and
Speaker 1: how he can mentally put them in a position to
Speaker 1: conquer anything and also physically put them in the environments
Speaker 1: to be able to conquer whatever those dreams were. Because
Speaker 1: he was one of those kind of kids that didn't
Speaker 1: have a childhood. Yeah, because he grew up as child star.
Speaker 1: So that's why his adult years he was so attached
Speaker 1: to things that kids do, because he was free enough
Speaker 1: and rich enough to do those things that he never
Speaker 1: got a chance to do, but he couldn't do it
Speaker 1: with other adults. So he made sure that other kids
Speaker 1: that didn't have the means to do it, were around
Speaker 1: or was able to get that experience, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: And you guys worked on a lot of music down Yeah,
Speaker 2: how many unreleased songs are well at least ideas?
Speaker 1: Did you get to be a endless amount of ideas?
Speaker 1: Endless amount of ideas? I wish I could chop them
Speaker 1: things up and put them out today, but does.
Speaker 2: The state have them?
Speaker 1: Well? I got them, but I could never put them
Speaker 1: out because I don't think the state wouldever.
Speaker 2: Everything sounds good though, that dude, you just got wrang
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson vocals just chilling. We'll never hear. That's what's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's the worst, Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Yo? Did you have you and T
Speaker 2: Pain ever discussed doing a joint project?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually it's something that we're discussing now and believe
Speaker 1: it or not, that's why we're starting to do more
Speaker 1: appearances together, you know what I'm saying, to kind of
Speaker 1: start getting that energy to see where the crowd is
Speaker 1: often like what their energy is before we starting to
Speaker 1: announce and starting things.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think that would be monumental if you
Speaker 2: and T Pain did like a like a ten song
Speaker 2: banger or something, like that.
Speaker 1: We definitely it's overdue, way overdue, but it's better. It's
Speaker 1: better that we can do it now that we're both independent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like it's.
Speaker 1: Because now we can do it the way we want
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: Without all the red tape and all that bullshit. Right,
Speaker 2: it's so it's crazy for people who don't know, like
Speaker 2: t Pain. Uh, he said that like he really took
Speaker 2: a gamble signing with you, because.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it was a gamble. I would
Speaker 1: say he took a leap of faith.
Speaker 2: It was a leap of faith because he had other
Speaker 2: opportunities on the table with big money.
Speaker 1: Bob, major up opportunities, but he went with you.
Speaker 2: And at the time, you have an unproven concept. Convict
Speaker 2: music was just you.
Speaker 1: It was just just me.
Speaker 2: So like like he really kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: just believed and he did and believed in me, and
Speaker 2: then you know, the world has changed in music forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because all I thought all I could offer him
Speaker 1: at that time was a career. Yeah, I couldn't give
Speaker 1: him the upfront money that he's looking for, but I
Speaker 1: knew one thing rock on me. I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 1: that you can be able to feature family forever, Yo,
Speaker 1: And it worked out. It worked out, for sure, It
Speaker 1: did work out.
Speaker 2: Yo. Was there anybody who you almost signed the Convict
Speaker 2: Music but it just didn't end up happening Young Thug? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had his first record, Stoner that was on Convict.
Speaker 2: That was on Stoner was on Convict.
Speaker 1: We pushed that one, so it was it was a
Speaker 1: single deal. I was supposed to go into an actual
Speaker 1: full album artist deal. But when that record blew up, of.
Speaker 2: Course everybody came in everywhere else.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's how that went in up.
Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know Stoner was on Convict Music
Speaker 2: because I do.
Speaker 1: I wor you worked that record. That That's how I
Speaker 1: met Ojibu Dirty. Actually, Wow, I met Ojibu Dirty as
Speaker 1: we was uh doing all the promo.
Speaker 2: Stuff for the and uh, did you guys at least
Speaker 2: obviously despite him not staying with you, did you guys
Speaker 2: keep a good relationship?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, it was I mean, I know, business, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, and the decisions he made actually worked
Speaker 1: out for him because he had an amazing career for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his situation I think is uh. I
Speaker 2: was just talking with jelly Roll, my boy jelly Roll
Speaker 2: and he was saying, if he got his jelly roll,
Speaker 2: he's so dope, he's amazing. Yeah, we just he just
Speaker 2: got the number now in the country right now. I
Speaker 2: love Yeah, he's incredible. But we're talking. I was on
Speaker 2: the road with him a few days last week. Oh
Speaker 2: that's dope, and we were talking about the thug situation
Speaker 2: and he was like, man, if he gets out, he
Speaker 2: better sue the fuck out of because it's been the
Speaker 2: longest trial they've it's been so much malpractice. It would
Speaker 2: seem with the prosecutor and Fanny Willis and all them, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: with thugs, he might have a civil suit on his hands.
Speaker 2: If he ends up getting exonerated.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see where that goes, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be h. It's definitely gonna be interesting. Man,
Speaker 2: for you bred Like, what's next for you outside of
Speaker 2: all like the Icon City, the new music or is there?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do a book or you gonna do
Speaker 2: a podcast?
Speaker 1: Or what are you doing? Man? We're doing all of it.
Speaker 1: We got Convict media coming where it's gonna be a list.
Speaker 1: I actually just acquired uh what used to be uh
Speaker 1: what's called lit Radio now but before then it was
Speaker 1: Dash Radio, yeah, which was yeah so.
Speaker 2: Wait yeah Dash the Skis thingj.
Speaker 1: Ski is a company out of all Australia that bought it, okay,
Speaker 1: and then we acquired into that company and now we
Speaker 1: named it lit Lit Radio. Yeah, Lit Radio, So it's
Speaker 1: not not only it's gonna be podcast, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be streaming and everything else like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think Dash, at least from what I remember,
Speaker 2: it was available in like Ford. Was it Ford Vehicles?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: So you're a part owner of that now yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, we took the whole platform.
Speaker 2: Oh that's big man. Yeah. I always wondered, like DJ Ski,
Speaker 2: that dude right there, I'm super smart bro, and he's
Speaker 2: always finding people to give him money.
Speaker 1: Listen, he's the perfect Yeah when I tell you, Ski,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he pulls it out of a hat
Speaker 1: every time, every time.
Speaker 2: Because like Dash has been around. Always just was like thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a radio guy, right right, So I
Speaker 2: always was just like how do they make money?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like it just keeps getting I'm like, how where are
Speaker 2: they getting all this money?
Speaker 1: Ski Ski is like he's like a master uh uh,
Speaker 1: a networker. He knows how to find but he's a
Speaker 1: great picture too, Yeah, and he knows how to present
Speaker 1: it to where you see the division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious man. Like you've been on so many
Speaker 2: different sides of the music industry, it feels like there's
Speaker 2: some sort of energy where at least I feel like
Speaker 2: artists need to try to start figuring out a way
Speaker 2: to push out, push off of these DSPs a little
Speaker 2: and go go back to going direct a consumer, whether
Speaker 2: it's dropping vinyls, whether it's dropping you know, merch. I
Speaker 2: don't know if have you heard of Larussell, the kid Larrussell,
Speaker 2: who's he's out in the Bays doing like super independent.
Speaker 2: He's doing these concerts in his backyard. Wow, and you
Speaker 2: have to pay, like you pay what you want to
Speaker 2: go to the show. So the's got some people paying
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to come see him live and some
Speaker 2: people paying ten dollars.
Speaker 1: You know. That's so dope.
Speaker 2: But I wonder where do you kind of forecast the
Speaker 2: industry going. I feel like we were at least ten
Speaker 2: years into the streaming era.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, we end. I think there's going to be
Speaker 1: a model that allows artists to now again go back
Speaker 1: to selling something physical, even if it's a combination of music,
Speaker 1: more merch and something digital asset to get you know,
Speaker 1: to connect with it. But I do believe that the
Speaker 1: streaming aspect of it is not making no sense for
Speaker 1: us at all. Still. It's just to the point where
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a model that comes in that knocks
Speaker 1: that out unless the stream is coming start actually getting.
Speaker 2: Paying fairly something fairly Yeah, because the Spotify page your
Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred bucks, you get a million streams, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. Crazy, a million people listening to
Speaker 2: this or a million times and I'm only getting four grand, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's just, you know, I think there has
Speaker 2: to be like something like do you feel like major
Speaker 2: labels are even like net Like, would you rather be
Speaker 2: independent at this point? Or like if you're let's say
Speaker 2: you're a con twenty years ago coming into the game,
Speaker 2: you got a buzz going, you gotta mixtape buzz going,
Speaker 2: do you feel like a label is necessary?
Speaker 1: Still? No, Not for me for sure. I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's why I'm independent now.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about even if you're like a new artist,
Speaker 2: you're fucking a contract as self fund.
Speaker 1: Right as a newer artist, I think depending on what
Speaker 1: it is they're doing. Right, if you're more of a
Speaker 1: novelty artist, you know, you underground, you're trying to build
Speaker 1: a swell to where you're not looking for this big
Speaker 1: major career, definitely go independent. But if you're doing things
Speaker 1: like top forty pop music, you kind of you're not
Speaker 1: going to survive in an independent era.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always say if you're a pop artist and that's
Speaker 2: the goal, yeah, pop, you kind of need the machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need you should build unless you got unless
Speaker 1: you unless you got someone like DJ Ski is going
Speaker 1: to raise the money for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or you have like a dope like creative like
Speaker 2: partnership with the distribution company that still lets you keep
Speaker 2: your masters. They'll give you an advance and like there's
Speaker 2: some sort of like hybrid deal of the two like
Speaker 2: Empire or something.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Empire has actually actually been a good
Speaker 1: model for the revenue model for independent artists. I think
Speaker 1: they've done a really really good.
Speaker 2: Jobeah, they got Shaboozie, The biggest song on Billboard this
Speaker 2: year is a technically it's a you know, Shaboozi owns
Speaker 2: all that, you know, like he owns the Masters.
Speaker 1: They're done a really really good job, you know, because
Speaker 1: I think when you look at how Empire did it,
Speaker 1: they took up a major uh uh position and they
Speaker 1: actually start spending the money that's necessary, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I think from a perspective of independent,
Speaker 1: it's really about the purse, just having the funding to
Speaker 1: do it. But then you got to be connected to
Speaker 1: people that know who is the shakers and bakers in
Speaker 1: the business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, you know, we see this so much.
Speaker 2: I always tell artists like, you could have all the
Speaker 2: money in the world, if you don't know where to
Speaker 2: spend it, then your fuck don't make sense because we
Speaker 2: how many people have we seen who have got the
Speaker 2: dope boy behind him driving stupid money? Athletes, Ah my.
Speaker 1: Goodness, every act got a label, like they just throw
Speaker 1: money out the window and it's never worked. It's never worked.
Speaker 1: I don't know the only one that's ever worked with Shack.
Speaker 2: You know, he was a major. He was rapping a major.
Speaker 2: I mean, he had Platinum. The reason he's the only
Speaker 2: one I'm talking about, Carmelo Anthony had a label. I'm
Speaker 2: already Stodamayer had a label. Uh of the.
Speaker 1: Durand even the ones you don't know God.
Speaker 2: Labels, and no one gives a right because they're just
Speaker 2: they're just thinking because they got money. It's like, bro,
Speaker 2: that's not you gotta know where to spend it. You
Speaker 2: got to you gotta be smart like money, like like
Speaker 2: money's one thing, but knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: With it is.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you're just a tax right off. Absolutely, yeah. How
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm curious, when you're like the level
Speaker 2: of wealthy that you are, do you have like any
Speaker 2: tax loophole, like a tidbitch you could share with the people,
Speaker 2: like anything I just think about taxes, bro, anything you
Speaker 2: could like write off the people don't think about.
Speaker 1: Like right, listen, the best and the smartest advice I
Speaker 1: can give you just follow all the rules to the tea.
Speaker 1: You can never listen. This is the part that I
Speaker 1: understand about people trying to evade taxes. It don't make sense,
Speaker 1: first of all, because what happens is you got money
Speaker 1: sitting in a bank or in a trust front, or
Speaker 1: it just sits there anyway. Right, It's like it literally
Speaker 1: just you can't spend all that money in a lifetime.
Speaker 1: So what is the point, right, So my thing is
Speaker 1: spend as much of it as possible that you can
Speaker 1: write off so you can get a portion of that bat.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's literally that simple. It's that easy. I always say, like,
Speaker 2: if you know you got a big tax bill coming up,
Speaker 2: just start spending. What are some things you can invest in? Boom, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: I need new cameras, Boomed, I need a vehicle that
Speaker 2: weighs over six thousand pounds.
Speaker 1: There you go. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Once you learn the rules of what's needed. Just people
Speaker 2: a private jet, right, because that's a rite off. That's
Speaker 2: the write off if you've got a business a PJ.
Speaker 1: And really what's so dope is that when you when
Speaker 1: you know, when you know how if you when you
Speaker 1: do follow the rules and you actually write it off,
Speaker 1: that money comes back to you. So it's almost like
Speaker 1: everything that you bought you getting for free.
Speaker 2: Yes, or that's what I say, really say, when it's
Speaker 2: time to if you're a business owner and that and
Speaker 2: and you know taxes are coming, you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: have a bill, you can either buy some ship that's
Speaker 2: useful to your business or give it away. To the government.
Speaker 1: Pick one, you got to pick one?
Speaker 2: Any idea when the new album's coming out. I know
Speaker 2: you got a new single in December, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to open the door for the actual
Speaker 1: album that's going to drop in Februar.
Speaker 2: Fully Independent, Fully Independent. I love I love it. What's
Speaker 2: going on with Kobe o'donna's random question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, this is the fourth person that
Speaker 1: asked me about him. He's actually gonna be performing at
Speaker 1: the My My show in a couple of days, and would.
Speaker 2: Drive him to believe his weird, weird ass dad alone. Like
Speaker 2: I met him at a high school mixed tour ones
Speaker 2: when I was an intern, and Kobe O'donna's dad creeped
Speaker 2: me the funk out. But Yo, he was dope. He
Speaker 2: was so talented.
Speaker 1: Listen, can I tell you Kobe was justin Bieber before
Speaker 1: just he was super talented. He was the most unbelievable
Speaker 1: talent that I've had ever signed. But unfortunately, Yeah, his
Speaker 1: dad was in the middle of the lot of the business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now he's open, he's grown, he's free and unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Three years ago his dad actually passed away.
Speaker 2: He is actually moving his dad. I do feel bad
Speaker 2: for saying that. But how's your relationship these days with
Speaker 2: Go Go? You guys ever talk?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk, We talk as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if you and t Paine do
Speaker 2: a joint album, you gotta have her on the fucking album.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, it'd be crazy. Gotta happened. Well, my my,
Speaker 1: my oh is to get all of us together on
Speaker 1: something super super big. I don't care if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a world tour whole album, but I just want
Speaker 1: to bring the whole family together as one celebration of
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we did and contributed to the business.
Speaker 2: Now for sure, man, we'll listen. Your legend the new
Speaker 2: song is out. Everybody should go run that up. Anything
Speaker 2: else people can support you on right now. But you know,
Speaker 2: obviously you gotta do you still have the crypto Huh?
Speaker 2: Is the crypto coin still thing?
Speaker 1: Oh? That's on pause. It was too political. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get it was start mixing up with my real business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know much about it. Listen. I know
Speaker 2: I lost money on fucking ripple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all lost money on that stuff. But for
Speaker 1: for that specific me, it was more political because my
Speaker 1: coin was never even in the us.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That was for Africa and Africa only, but because it
Speaker 1: was doing so much in Africa, it started to affect
Speaker 1: some of the agendas and it started getting a little
Speaker 1: deep there.
Speaker 2: It is. Man, Well, look, I appreciate you pulling up
Speaker 2: a kon Yo. By the way, I might have to
Speaker 2: catch a flight to the Red Rocks show. That's crazy, Yo,
Speaker 2: you got to it's gonna be nuts, my guy, con
Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up boom fire. Let's do Uh,
Speaker 2: We're gonna do some ship just for the radio show
Speaker 2: that it's gonna run on the syndicated show. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna have obviously we're gonna introduce the record, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have you do. We do something on the show
Speaker 2: called the Daily Hate, where people listeners calling and they
Speaker 2: hate on something. They can hate on their boss, their baby, mama,
Speaker 2: the traffic, fucking Trump, whatever. So I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 2: something that you're hating.
Speaker 1: On got you. I don't even know if I'm hating
Speaker 1: on anything.
Speaker 2: It could be. It could be like it could be
Speaker 2: when you get something delivered to you from Uber Eats
Speaker 2: and the food is cold and they don't they don't
Speaker 2: give you utensils.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what I hated.
Speaker 2: It could be. It could be it could be it
Speaker 2: could be eddie, it could be fucking airline ship, it
Speaker 2: could be travel ship, every day ship. They don't have
Speaker 2: to be like hate per se, but it's just like
Speaker 2: something that you could be like, Yeah, man, you know
Speaker 2: I would maybe if you had an experience at an
Speaker 2: airport or maybe.
Speaker 1: You had an experience. I know exactly what I'm hating on.
Speaker 2: All Right, here we go, ro Yo. It's the boutleg
Speaker 2: Camp show. Shout out to Acon Man taking over the
Speaker 2: show Man. He got a new record out. We're going
Speaker 2: to get into that in this secons called Beautiful Day
Speaker 2: new album all the way. It is the celebrity edition
Speaker 2: of the Daily Hate Though, Acon, what are you hating on?
Speaker 1: Man? I ain't gonna lie to you. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of anything that I can hate, because I
Speaker 1: don't hate much, but I had to say I am
Speaker 1: hating on the fact that every time I go through
Speaker 1: the UK, the sun is never out bro Oh in
Speaker 1: the UK it's one of my favorite places, but it's
Speaker 1: always cloudiesh It's gloomy, gloomy, rainy, like I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a video from someone in the UK
Speaker 2: where it looks sunny. It does always look great.
Speaker 1: Beautiful place though, Yeah, like I would live there if
Speaker 1: the sun just came out.
Speaker 2: Look, you got a new album coming out first quarter
Speaker 2: next year. I want you to get into this new single.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the song and let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. This is called Acon's Beautiful Day Man. This is
Speaker 1: one of those songs that reminds you that no matter
Speaker 1: what you're going through in life, there's somebody out there
Speaker 1: that's going through worse. Man, So appreciate what you have
Speaker 1: and don't worry too much about what you want, what
Speaker 1: you're trying to get.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Brand new Acon on your radios,
Speaker 2: The Bootleg cav Show.
Speaker 1: Let's Go