1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out, Manashi put a coon, don't forget 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: check me out on the Bootleg cav podcast See you soon. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: Yo, Bootleg cav show Man, we got a special guest 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 2: in here, a living legend Akon in the building's going on? 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: What's good? Brother? 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Amazing? 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: First of all, he got this new song Going Crazy. 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 2: I gotta say congrats. I can't believe it's been twenty 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: years since the debut album dropped. 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. I can't even believe it. 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: It's time, I flew. It makes me feel like old 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: because I just remember. I just remember that, you know, 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: just a few of them records just being on mixtapes, 14 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: and there was like I think Green Lantern had the 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: remix of Ghetto Going Crazy, and I'm like, damn, that 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: was twenty years ago. 17 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 18 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: How does it feel, man? 19 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Now? It feels amazing, Yeah, because I don't feel like 20 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: twenty is to me right. It really don't. Like it 21 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: feels like like just a few years made it right. 22 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Because even now, when I look at my career in 23 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: the business and I'm still relevant in it, I can't 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: believe that twenty years went past. 25 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Right super fast. Yeah, and you've had so much like 26 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 2: like arms to your business. Like obviously as an artist 27 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: that's one thing, prolific run and it's still going. And 28 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: then as an executive as an newer. 29 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all that played a role. And I 30 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: used to always say that in the beginning as one 31 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: of my advice is just trying to put on his people, 32 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: put on as many people as possible, right, because they 33 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: become the longevity of your career because as long as 34 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: they're out in the marketplace, they always bring your energy around. 35 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: When they see them, they see you. So it's kind 36 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: of like a way of extending your career to the max. 37 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: Yo. How dope is it to have like your brother 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: also have his own like success, right, Like Boots had 39 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: so many killing it and he's done so much. Right. 40 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: I feel like I just found out somebody who was 41 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: behind or somewhere he was right, was like, dam he's 42 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: there now, Like I forget he's doing everything. 43 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, boo, working man. He was meant to be an 44 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: exec Yeah, Like a lot of people don't know. It 45 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: was Bood that foundy Pain and brought him to me. Crazy, 46 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he was he came 47 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: in already from an executive mind space. 48 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You and Pain Got Us are a 49 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: show coming up at Red Rocks. Yeah, Red Rock Halloween 50 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Eve thirtieth Grace who headlines at it's actually Pain Show. 51 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: So it's t Pain Show. You're okay. 52 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: He's bringing me out as a special gift. 53 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: That's gonna be crazy. 54 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 55 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, How many songs are you gonna do? 56 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see. 57 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: That's gonna be crazy. Yo. 58 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I see. 59 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: So the last time you were on the show, you 60 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: had just had your hair thing done and from Turkey 61 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 2: we talked about it defensively. You've shaved it all off. 62 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I got a new look. 63 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: Now, I got a new look. 64 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: So what made you shave off? Because you had you 65 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: went and got the procedure done just to shave it. 66 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: What the thing is, I can always allow it to 67 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: grow back. Okay, that's the beauty of it. 68 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: So for this run, you're like, I'm shaving the head. 69 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, it's like it's a lot of maintenance, 70 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: keeping the waves going and all that. 71 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you also look like, you know, you look 72 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: like Trouble Acon right now. Yeah. 73 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: I like I look a little bit younger with it. 74 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: They say, I look a lot younger with it. But 75 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: it feels better too, especially around the summertime when it 76 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: was super hot. I think when it gets cold, I 77 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: might you know, less, some more hair grow or whatever 78 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: the case may be. 79 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: But talk to me about like obviously this new record 80 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: beautiful Days dope, but I know like you got to 81 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: you got a new album on the. 82 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, a new album not Guilty, not Guilty. Yeah. 83 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's a statement for the culture. 84 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: I just think the culture is under attack right now. 85 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? 86 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Just in general? I think, you know the way it's 87 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: just such a negative vibration in the music business, you 88 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I think a lot of 89 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: it came from just miseducation. But for the most part, 90 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: like when I look, that's that's one of the reasons 91 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: why I even created a Beautiful Day, because I just 92 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes we take the most. We take a 93 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: lot of things for granted. Bro, Like, no matter how 94 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: bad your life is, somebody out there got it worse. Yeah, 95 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: And we're always focusing on what we want or what 96 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: we should have versus what we already have that we 97 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: should be grateful for. 98 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Do you feel like with any because there's been so 99 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: many negative things happening in the music industry, so many 100 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: people are worried about people getting exposed with the Ditty situation. 101 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Do you feel like that because obviously, like we kind 102 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: of all grew up like looking at Ditty and like 103 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: look for Diddy's rights or wrongs, Like he's a mogul, 104 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: you know, He's somebody who we could look at and 105 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I want to aspire to be for boss. Like, 106 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: So when something like this happens and it feels like 107 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of you know, aftershock 108 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: that might affect other people in the music industry, do 109 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: you feel like like you like there's like a weight 110 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: of that situation in particular, weighing on just the industry 111 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 2: in general. 112 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I think it's weighing on the whole industry because I 113 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: don't think a situation like that can happen without the 114 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: industry's participation, you know what I mean. But for the 115 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: most part, the industry always like bread these kind of situations, 116 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: these kind of behaviors, And I think it's at a 117 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: time now where the world itself is just cleansing itself. 118 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: I think I see this more of as a spiritual 119 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: movement than it is something physical or someone being you know, 120 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: directly targeted, if that makes sense, Because this is something 121 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: that needs to be exposed for everyone spiritually to cleanse themselves, emotions, 122 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: their thoughts, all the lives need to come out. Like 123 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: we just need to get back to being human versus 124 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: playing the role of where other people want us to play. 125 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: And I think we're at that point now where you're 126 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: forced to now have have to confront all your doings. 127 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: I just think like nature does that spiritually, it does 128 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: it physically, Like like even think about all these hurricanes 129 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: and all this stuff in areas that we never expected 130 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: it to happen. Yeah, all, I mean, the world is 131 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: just cleansing itself, period, and I don't think we're going 132 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: to be exempt to it. 133 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. You think there's like a spiritual cleansing for sure. 134 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: That's how I feel for sure. 135 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that is one thing you said, like 136 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: when it comes to like certain levels of some of 137 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: this stuff that just became like normal behavior, like you said, 138 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: like everybody is Yeah, I mean people were ignoring this stuff, 139 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: I mean participating and enabling you know. I mean you 140 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: can go all the way back to like some of 141 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: the allegations against like Russell Simmons, you know what I mean. 142 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: So it's like this kind of behavior isn't new and 143 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: it was kind of the worst kept secret. So that's 144 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: where I wonder once all of the like trials and 145 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: start happening, like does security have to play a part 146 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: in getting in trouble? Of course, the assistant, I mean 147 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: who the emails, the person that runs and picks up 148 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: the drugs. You know, there's gonna be so many people, Like, 149 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: there's so many people name. 150 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: There's too many elements, and it's nothing that he could 151 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: have personally been able to do by himself. It had 152 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: to be supported by people around him that support the 153 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: whole concept. And I think this is the point where 154 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody's you know, going to be worried. And this's the 155 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: reason why the whole industry is quiet. No one's speaking 156 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: out because as many people that this man has helped 157 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: uplifted and set up to live them lives, their lives, 158 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: will set up their lives of family, you would expect 159 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: someone to come in this defense, but no one's. The 160 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: only person who did was Stevie j I think, yeah, 161 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: he's probably the only one. 162 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm assuming you haven't been any. 163 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: Freak offs, unfortunately, because I was never a party person, and. 164 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Any time I see you at any like event, it's 165 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: like you're there on business and. 166 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: You never really see me hanging around with celebrities or 167 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: not that anew because that was never really my life. 168 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: I just saw it as work for perspective, but I 169 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: always thought the mindset of how people or celebrities per 170 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: se think they always felt like they were above everyone else, 171 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't like that attitude. 172 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like, even like you know, 173 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: any time I've ever had encounters with you, you're very 174 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: like you're just a normal dude. Yeah. 175 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: I was just blessed to be in a position, but 176 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: you're also eight con I get it. I'm popular, but 177 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it changed the man though. 178 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: You know, YO, talk to me about something, because obviously 179 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 2: you have a lot of entrepreneurial stuff. I just opened 180 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: a pizza restaurant here in Burbank, and I. 181 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: Helped me too. Yeah. 182 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: I heard you open one in Jacksonville. 183 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, got yep. I got a three in Atlanta and 184 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: one in Jacksonville that we just opened up, and we're 185 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: gonna spread out to the West Coast as well too. 186 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: Pizza. You should do a collabor we should, man, Yeah, 187 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: right here on the corner. It's right here, and that. 188 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: Would be hard. Yeah, that would be done. 189 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: How has the Pizza game been for you? Like? 190 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: Man, amazing? Like bro like it takes I mean literally, 191 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: it only costs eight cents to make. 192 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, pizza is the highest it's the highest margin. 193 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, it's the highest margin for any food 194 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: in the world. It's like, but then it's so good 195 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: and it's a snack. It's also could be a meal. 196 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: It'll never go astordable, it'll never go. 197 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Out of style. It's like the best business to go 198 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: into if you're talking about food. 199 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: So you guys, you got three of them? Yeah, four 200 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: now four shots to Jacksonville. Man, that's j Yeah. 201 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: The goal is to get twenty by the end of 202 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty aycon in the Pizza Game. 203 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: Do you have any other franchises or anything you're a 204 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: part of that? 205 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: You have, no, no, But the next one's gonna be 206 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: a jelif Rice fast food restaurant. Oh fire, Yeah, so 207 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be called it's gonna be fast food like 208 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: McDonald's or Wendy's or whatever. But that's more like African 209 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: cuisine but quick almost like what's that one? Uh Chipotle? 210 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: Chipotle? Yeah, no, that is interesting because there hasn't been 211 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: any I feel like we don't have a lot of 212 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: exposure on a commercial level the African food. 213 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. 214 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: That's true. Like we get Jamaican, feel like you can 215 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: get jerk chicken it like. 216 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: You can get Jamaican, you can get Chinese, you can get. 217 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: Time for sure. Yo? What for you? Man? Like talk 218 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: to me just about like your your how how do 219 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: you feel about where we are musically right now? Because 220 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: I feel like we've had like a interesting year because 221 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like the Kendrick Drake thing kind 222 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: of took over this year in terms of hip hop, 223 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: at least and at least for me as like a fan. 224 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: I appreciated the fact people were like cared about bars again. 225 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Right, So that was the positivity, and that was the 226 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: positive hip hop back to its essence. 227 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: It did. It also created like the civil War of 228 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: hip hop. 229 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: Right, But I honestly believe it or not. As much 230 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: as I loved the idea that that happened, I wish 231 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: it would have ended on a shaking hands by gods 232 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: be by gods let them continue, because that's the one 233 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: thing about the hip hop industry, Like when you look 234 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: at the LL and Cool Mo d Beef all the 235 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: way back in the day, those boys, after all of that, 236 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: they came back and set an example like listen, this 237 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: friendly competition. You know, they both went at it. You 238 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: know who won, This is what it is, and they 239 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: kept moving on with their careers. And I think sometime 240 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: with this generation, we take things so emotionally personal to 241 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: the point where it goes beyond the competition on wax 242 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: that it can easily like kind yes, easily spill over 243 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: into some real live, you know, beef. And I just 244 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: think that we got to be it. We have to 245 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: change that, that that tone of it. 246 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too, like with with this like new 247 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: landscape of fans in the internet right like now fans 248 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: are embolded, they're trying to expose artists. 249 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot, Oh my goodness, that man. Listen. 250 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: The vibration of what music is is just it's so 251 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: negative right now, you know what I mean? And I 252 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: think a lot of it. Honestly, I would kind of 253 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: give my generation, I will say we were partly responsible 254 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: for that too. You know what I mean, because I 255 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: think it was a different stet like the hip hop 256 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: generation that we came up to on you know, like 257 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: the African Bombardas and all them, Like they always on 258 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: positive messages. It was always party. If it was something 259 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: that that kind of like scrubbed the edge of content, 260 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: it was always about something political that was going on 261 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods. Whe we got about like that, you 262 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then later, you know, when 263 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: our generation came, then, you know, gangster rap kind of 264 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: opened the door up for a different era of music 265 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: where street crimes and street you know, you could say, 266 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: politics became something to brag about. It became something that 267 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: you needed to be attached to to make it in 268 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: hip hop, to be relevant or even to be heard, 269 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: or even to be looked at as somebody official. So 270 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: then what happened was this new generation took that and 271 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: really felt like they can glorify being gangster, glorified getting 272 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: shot versus shooting, to the point where you can't be 273 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: a rapper unless you got or like you've been locked 274 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: up or you've been shot, or you've been shot at, 275 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Almost like that becomes your 276 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: calling card or your your your backstage pass to become 277 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: a part of the entertainment. 278 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I always say this too, like it kind 279 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: of fans become desensitized to when people die. 280 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: To the point where it's like it's a part of it. 281 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: Well, they look at I feel like they're they're looking 282 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: at a lot of these kids as like characters in 283 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: the TV show that they watch on YouTube. Yeah, and 284 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: so if someone dies, they're like, well, I'm gonna leave 285 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: a comment. I know who did it? You know, like 286 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: it's it's it's crazy. But you were kind of like 287 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: the the first R and B artist who came into 288 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: the game talking that talk like you before you, I 289 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: can't think of another artist who was singing that was 290 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: I mean, think about locked up, Like yeah, talking about 291 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 2: your first single was talking about being incarcerated, which is 292 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: a crazy thought to be like, Yo, this is I 293 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: had a singing ass song with style talking about being 294 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: locked up. And that's changed music. 295 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: For Yeah, No, it really did. And I think because 296 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: at the time when I came, R and B was 297 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: really more about begging and love making. 298 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: And being a simp. Yeah, very very s and you 299 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: also kind of came in when the R and B 300 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: group was very popping. 301 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like edge. Yeah, you had a lot 302 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: of boy bands out there, one Twelves and all that, 303 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: and then on the other side you have the Insyncts 304 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: and the Backstreet Boys and all that stuff. So yeah, 305 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: we kind of was the balance because everything was really 306 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot of happy, go lucky R and B type 307 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: of stuff, whereas that was a whole struggle that was 308 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: being talked about on my album that was just in 309 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: an arm beformed, but lyrically just didn't match. 310 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to know something that I'm curious because 311 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: obviously you you know, you being from where you're from, 312 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: and some of the narrative that's out there about like 313 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: immigrants coming to the United States, right obviously, uh Trump 314 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: famously during the debate talked about that they're eating the cats, They're. 315 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Eating my gosh. 316 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: I just I just wonder, like for you being on 317 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: both sides of like coming into this country as an 318 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: immigrant and then also turning into a very successful entrepreneur, artists, 319 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: you know all of that, Like, like, what are your 320 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: thoughts on that kind of whole discussion about like immigration 321 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: kind of like you know, the border being a wild 322 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: place right now? I heard I do I do here 323 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: for you know, it is like a free for all 324 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: low key. 325 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean up, all borders at a certain line 326 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: is free for all because you can't board the whole. 327 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's not enough people to literally lock down 328 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: every border, every entrance, every exit. Right, So I just 329 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: me personally, I just think borders is one of the 330 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: main reasons why people don't get along. I think borders 331 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: is one of our biggest mistakes ever. We should never 332 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: like this is God created this land for us to 333 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: roam through it freely. That should never be a line 334 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: saying Okay, this man can't cross here or this woman 335 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: can't cross here. I don't think we should ever have 336 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: borders at all. Like I think we should be able 337 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: to roam through every parts of the earth as we 338 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: please or see fit. There will be a lot more peace, 339 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: for sure. I think people that's in a situation where 340 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: life is not that good or struggle is created in 341 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: that area going naturally want to get away from struggle 342 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: and be in a more comfortable environment. 343 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 344 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a person's place to say that. 345 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: You don't know, you're not allowed to come to a 346 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: place where you can thrive. And I think that idea 347 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: of it is what creates the problems because even when 348 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: you look at Mexico, there's this double line standard as 349 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: to which Mexicans you can let in and which ones 350 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: you don't. There's a lot of illegal Mexicans that's working 351 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: in America. 352 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: Oh tons, yeah, I mean I don't know if the 353 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: country would the country would not function out without without 354 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: the labor. 355 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: That it's impossible, right, So you can't try to set 356 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: a line now saying Okay, well they're illegal, but yeah, 357 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: you're hiring illegals, like what's the point and then you 358 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: don't even give them a Social Security number to be 359 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: able to get a legitimate check. And then you're down 360 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: waging them and giving them lower rages and they're supposed 361 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: to naturally get or paying them cast or there's no 362 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: tax involved. So now you implicating yourself. So it's it's 363 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: it's a wrong on both sides. We can just all 364 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: be human and just work together, because believe me, I 365 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: love going to Mexico. I love having a great time 366 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: in Cancun or wherever the place may be, or going 367 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: even into the further parts of Mexico. But at the 368 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: end of the day. I think that the idea of 369 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: that that that border exists creates opportunity for more craziness 370 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: to happen. 371 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did your family come over? 372 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: My mom and dad, they came in as they came 373 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: in legally, but they made sure that we were all 374 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: born in the US, so we would have no problems 375 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: with immigration in the fast. So my dad was he thought, 376 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: in the few we have kids in the US, right, 377 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: and then you can take them back, because that's that 378 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: what happens. After all us was born, he shipped us 379 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: all back to Africa. Who was raised you know, came 380 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: in speaking Spanish, French. We didn't speak English until we 381 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: got through America. 382 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: Damn you So you speak how many languages for four? 383 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: That is crazy? 384 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: What is your like the dialect and senegalgue? Okay, yeah, 385 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: well off is the native tongue? 386 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: That's dope. Many are you leaning in either direction? In 387 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: terms of the presidential election? At this point, I've seen 388 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people come to the Trump side that 389 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: maybe not would have been on its side four years ago, 390 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: and versa. 391 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: And vice versa. I think politics is just a big 392 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: game of who can convince who that they belong to 393 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: be that they need to be. Me personally, I believe 394 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: that we do need a woman leader. Even if it 395 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: was I think it's kind of overdue, right, I think 396 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: it's overdue because one thing about women, they their motivation 397 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: is family. And I think the rules, the laws, the 398 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: bills that family is going to pass will be more 399 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: catered to family versus what Trump would pass. Trump from 400 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: a male's perspective, our motivation is power, So the bills 401 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: that we pass are always going to be something that's 402 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: going to always have a conversation between two parties where 403 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: a war can either break out or somebody's going to 404 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: have to be set an example of to show that 405 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: we have that we have strength. Right. So I think 406 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: now for America specifically and most a lot of parts 407 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: of the world, we need more women leaders. 408 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 409 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: And because women just they just naturally manage households better 410 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: than men. 411 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think there's a certain level of compassion 412 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: that is we're. 413 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Sing in politics specifically because what's happening in Gaza to. 414 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: Me, zero compassion, none, and that's crazy to me, it 415 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: is heartbreaking, It's unbelievable, it is heartbreaking. I saw a 416 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: video today that really fucked me up. 417 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Man, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's crazy. 418 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: I feel like every day I open Twitter and I 419 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: just it ruins my mood for an hour. 420 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: I promise you. 421 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: Happen. 422 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: It's not even necessary. 423 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild, you know. And the other thing too, 424 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: is like, uh, you know, Gaza is such a a 425 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: very sad situation and I'm glad that it's also I've 426 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: been noticing on Twitter more people are talking about what's 427 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: going on in the Congo too, right, with these with 428 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: these the mines for the battery materials and all that, 429 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: and because that's a whole other. 430 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: That's a whole other man. Every single all of the 431 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: stuff that we go in there all come from elements 432 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: coming from Africa. 433 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: And if you see the video of these mines, I mean, 434 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: you wouldn't think you would think it was cgi right, 435 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: It's eighty thousand people stacked on top of each other, babies, 436 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: you know, women and mothers carrying babies on their back 437 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: while they're mining for them. Right, It's so crazy. 438 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Man. 439 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, talk to me. I saw what is going 440 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: on with with the city, with your city, because I 441 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: saw that that synagogue city you had like a deadline 442 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: and give me the update on what's going, because a 443 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: lot of people calling you, like saying it was a scam, 444 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: Like what is happening? 445 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, it's a city. 446 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: Let's clear it up. 447 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: No city is built in twenty four hours, right. A 448 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: house takes twelve months, sometimes. 449 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: For th teams, sometimes longer. 450 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: We're building literally a city, right, it's gonna take time. 451 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: I think the mistake that I made was promoting it 452 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: while the concept was being put together. So what happened 453 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: was people already assumed that it existed and that's what 454 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: it was. So while we're trying to put together the licenses, 455 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: getting all the suits, the feasibility studies going on, the 456 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: environmental studies and all of that's happening, the world is 457 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: looking at Acon City as if the construction had. 458 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: Already because you had already started talking about it, right. 459 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: And I think, but these are all mistakes that you 460 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: make as you go. Right now, the process is still 461 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: in motion. Things are already moving and as time go. 462 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: That's why I've been keeping a light, quiet conversation when 463 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: it comes to the city until we get further into 464 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: the project to where I can start having real conversations 465 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: about it. 466 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: Have you like, are you and Senegogu like good in 467 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: terms of just like oh yeah, we want to they're 468 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: up to up. 469 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: To date on everybody's up to date. Everything is, everything 470 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: is on the up. 471 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: And have you seen this just unrelated, but have you 472 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: seen this thing that they're building And I think it's 473 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: in Dubay, that long. 474 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: Yet limb that's in Saudi Arabia. 475 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 476 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is crazy. And interestingly enough, the guy that 477 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: put together that whole master plan is to that I 478 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: just brought on board to help me arrange some ideas 479 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: over the city. 480 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, for people who don't know they're building this like 481 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: long steel city. 482 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: It's like crazy. 483 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: It is something that you would see like in like 484 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: a sci fi movie as a kid, right, and they're 485 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: actually doing it. It's like I saw a staff that 486 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: like they're using like twenty or thirty percent of the 487 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: world's steel manufacturing is going to that city right now, 488 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: because they're building this city in the middle of the desert. 489 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: In the middle of the desert, and it's. 490 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Like it's this long, it looks it looks it looks 491 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: like a line. Yeah, it's fucking nuh. And that whole line. 492 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: Everything will be inside it, by the way. 493 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: Like everything you need, grocery stores, gyms, entertainment, subways, transportation. Crazy. 494 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Once you're in there, you're in there. 495 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: So you brought that guy on to help. 496 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the guys that did the master plan 497 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: is working with men. 498 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: That's fucking awesome. 499 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Man. No, No, that's cool. 500 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: You got to get a little condo over there, and then. 501 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: You're definitely gonna have a spot in Limp for sure. 502 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: How for you, man? Like what is I feel like 503 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: we're also in like a cool era where a lot 504 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: of you know, I just we forgot juveniles weed sitting here. 505 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: But Juvie's on tour with Manny Fresh doing his his 506 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: twenty fifth anniversary of four hundred degrees. I mean, Tea 507 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: Pains have such a crazy touring renaissance. I feel like 508 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: we're to the point now where we're kind of like 509 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: appreciating guys like yourself and like the era of music 510 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 2: because like you said, the vibrations and music have been 511 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: so low and whatever we said earlier about like yeah 512 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 2: that like like obviously drug dealing and shoot shoot them 513 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: uphit was glorified during your era, which I which was 514 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: my era too, But also there was a lot of 515 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: music that was just fun right right, Like you know 516 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like if I think you're like your 517 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: biggest records, like they're just fun right. You know what 518 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like do you feel like that's what's missing 519 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: right now? Is like artists are like kind of getting 520 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: away from just like yo, Like people need music to 521 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: live to. People know they do. 522 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: I think today they're too cool to have fun. Yeah, 523 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: it's like you've been to almost like being fun is 524 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: being soft. 525 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: And you go to a nightclub, everyone's standing around, mean 526 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: mugging in five bottles. Right, everybody is too tense. Man, 527 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: it's crazy. 528 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: It's way too much man. Like With us, it was 529 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: different because when you did get that energy, it stayed 530 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: on the record because regardless of what it is, when 531 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: you came out, everybody was still cool. But on the record, 532 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: it was on the record. It's been as usual. But 533 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: when they meet up in person, they lined up and 534 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: get you on that next record. They to watch, you 535 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was different because we understood 536 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: that it was still entertainment. Today they think entertainment is 537 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be life, and life has to be reflected 538 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: in that entertainment, and that's where it gets dangerous. 539 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: I'm curious now that, like, you know, we've had this, 540 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: like fifty cent has been prolific with the television shows. 541 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: BMF's a big show. Now Big Meach is out. So 542 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: I'm really curious it's gonna happen with Meach because he 543 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: could like have the number one podcast in hip hop 544 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: if he like, if he like did a podcast tomorrow 545 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: or did like I mean that that there's a very 546 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: successful stars show about his life and now he's free. 547 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: Now he's free. But Meach is one of probably the 548 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: smartest dudes I've ever met, man and all that, but 549 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: he's already got a plan on what he's gonna do 550 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: when you get out, I promise. 551 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: And he's in a halfway house, right, he's out right 552 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: out in Florida. So you've met Meach before? 553 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know the cool guy in my family, 554 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah. 555 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: Did you go into these crazy parties where they had 556 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: like tigers and ship and while yeah. 557 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to go to all those guys crazy. 558 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing he's he in at a beach party? 559 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 2: In terms of like just animal. 560 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: Animals, because it's like it's a hood like niot the 561 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: hell you know, tigers and ship. 562 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, like like what babysitting Like. 563 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. He was a visionary though, and I think that 564 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: place to his advantage because he thinks beyond the average person, 565 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: because he knows that whatever it is in your mind 566 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: that you think you can actually make it happen, you's 567 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: got to work towards and get the find the money 568 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: to get it done. 569 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know recently you you were a part of 570 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: uh Vitalities been doing these things on child predators. Yeah, 571 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: and I would say the most viral run he did 572 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: was when the arrested child predator and You're standing there 573 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: singing locked up to this guy. It was hilarious. Tell 574 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: me about that situation because obviously I'm sure did Vitality 575 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: did he bag you out to do that? Because I mean, 576 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: he was getting everyone in their mom on that show. 577 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: He was he was he was already getting everybody on it. 578 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: I just felt like everybody approached it in such a 579 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: a in a negative way, really, right. But at the time, 580 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: I was promoting my twentieth anniversary of Trouble, and I 581 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: feel like this would be a perfect opportunity to do 582 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: that while at the same time utilizing those kind of 583 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: platforms and find different ways to market and promote and 584 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: lo and behold, Whack whack one hundred. Big shotsta wa 585 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: Wack called me. Was like, yokahn, hey man, I got 586 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: batality Man. He wants to do this thing with you 587 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: with the predators. I said, what you mean predators like 588 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: off the top. I was like, nah, you know what, wag, 589 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But then he was like, no, no, no, 590 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: you check out man game just did it. You know, 591 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: all these dudes did and everything, And so I checked 592 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: and looked and I was like, oh, this is actually 593 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: not bad. 594 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I mean, you're of it. 595 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: I said, you know what this is, this is this, 596 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: this would be perfect. So then that's when we reached 597 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: out and then we have batalitly conversated on what he 598 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: was going doing, and he's like, yeah, this is gonna 599 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: go crazy. 600 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: So my thing is, like you know, I always say, 601 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: because a lot of people have been like critical of 602 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: him for doing it the way he is doing it, 603 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: but I'm like, who cares? Who cares? I think those people, 604 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: even if they never get arrested. The fact that they're 605 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: publicly out there is shame. Yes, that's enough, Like great, 606 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: because I hope your life is ruined. 607 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: But you know, it was crazy, like even the one 608 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: that we did, the episode we did, I'm looking at 609 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: this dude, I'm like, he's not even all the way there. Mentally, 610 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: he's not like you could tell he's not he's sane, 611 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: but he's definitely. 612 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now people know what he looks like, so 613 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: now they eat the job or if he works around kids. 614 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: It's like, how you know, I. 615 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: Felt bad for him at the time it was happening. 616 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: Even though I was smiling and doing it. I knew 617 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: that this was going to change his life because I 618 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: know this is something he don't never want to go 619 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: through again. But in my mind, I'm like, man, somebody 620 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: should have been there. That video had his converse because 621 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: he's like, I can tell that he wasn't all there. 622 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: He well, yeah, that sh it was I'm not gonna lie. 623 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: It was hilarious. 624 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: It was he got a fee was. 625 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: Funny saying they like they did you talk to the cops? 626 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but see at the time the cops say't know 627 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: he was gonna do that because they probably would have 628 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: told us we couldn't do it, so we ain't say 629 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: nothing about it. 630 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying, like the cops are like, yeah, I'm a fan, 631 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: like uh. 632 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: Yeah afterwards afterwards, one of the cops like, men, I 633 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: wanted to bust out laughing so bad, but I couldn't. 634 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: Imagine you go to work that day, you don't know 635 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: that you're about to arrest the child predator while AKN 636 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: performs locked Up. That is hilarious. 637 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: That was too funny. 638 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: Bro, Yo, have you watched uh The New Joker too, 639 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 2: with your girl lady guy guy in it? Yeah? What 640 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: were your thoughts? It's getting panned critically. 641 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you understand, like she's always been 642 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: an amazing actress artist. 643 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: All that Star Is Born is one of the best 644 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: movies ever. 645 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: I promise you, bro, she's a three sixty everything. Yeah, 646 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, I mean 647 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: the way I look at it, those critics are always critics, 648 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: always gonna attack you, But to me, when they attack it, 649 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: and I mean, that was that was that was a 650 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: piece that was well worth doing. 651 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how did you like the movie? 652 00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: I like the movie? 653 00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: You liked it. 654 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: I like the movie. 655 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think it just wasn't what a 656 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: lot of people expect. It's almost like The Wire season two. 657 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever watched The Wire. 658 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen that. 659 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: Okay, The Wire season two was like it just took 660 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: a crazy left turn and everybody didn't appreciate it until 661 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 2: years later. 662 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think with me, it was a 663 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: little different because I kind of already knew what it 664 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: was going to be, and I've already seen the storyline 665 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: already to know what that was going to be, versus okay, 666 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: anticipating something and then getting something different. 667 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: Do you I wonder you know, with what a lot 668 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: of artists have been doing with selling their catalog, your 669 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: catalog's got to be pretty unprecedented in terms of just 670 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: all the stuff you've been a part of, whether it's 671 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: the Tea pain stuff, the Lady God Got stuff, your 672 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 2: own solo stuff, all of that stuff. Have you been 673 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: approached for the catalog thing and have you sold anything? 674 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I think I think everybody's been approached for it, because 675 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: that's the game. Yeah, when you look at the catalog stuff, 676 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: I think for the most artists out there, if you 677 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: do have an extensive catalog. Hold on to it, don't 678 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: sell it. 679 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 2: So you haven't sold anything. 680 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: Hold on to it. 681 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: Yeah for you, it's like it's got to be just 682 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: like it's residual income. 683 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Everyone what people don't also have mis calculators that the 684 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: industry is changing and technology is moving into the future. 685 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: So in a minute, there's gonna be like licensing music 686 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: going to be the driver for everything on the internet 687 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: and everything on the metaverse. Metaverse is going to be 688 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the future of entertained. I mean in a period. 689 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: I say this too. It's like, if all of these 690 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: private equity firms are buying up catalog, they might know 691 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: something we don't know exactly. So it's like you might 692 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: just want to hold out. 693 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Unless you need the money to survive. Hold on to it. 694 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you get an official offer? 695 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, oh no, I got I got 696 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. 697 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: How can you share what's like the craziest offer you got? 698 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: No, Because then it's gonna it's gonna convince others to sell. 699 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I don't want them to sell. 700 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: I feel like it'd be close to a billion dollars. 701 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't want them to sell like. 702 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: You're the amount of like, like the amount of records 703 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: that you probably old cuts up. It's just kind of 704 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: be fucking insane. 705 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's unbelievable. 706 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's wild yo for you man. Uh, what 707 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: is what is the direction of your new album? 708 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: That the direct? Oh, I can't wait for y'all to hear. 709 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna change the game from a perspective 710 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: of just the energy of what music is now versus 711 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: where it needs to go. I really do believe that 712 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna put more smiles on 713 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: people's faces. It's gonna change the energy of records that 714 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: make you feel good or music that felt good period 715 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: in times where you needed to hear something to kind 716 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: of put you through something. 717 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, is there any homage to like the sound to 718 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: your first album? 719 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think if you like the first album, this 720 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: second album, the first this You know what, if I 721 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: had to put this album in category of any of 722 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: my three albums, I would say it was it was 723 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: a mix of all three albums for this album. 724 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dope. 725 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would definitely be a mix of all three albums. 726 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: Because I realized I built three different bases because the 727 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: first album was more of a hip hop bas for audience. 728 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Then the second album was more rhythmic, cross album pop. 729 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: Third album was popped. Yeah. So this, this album that 730 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm putting out, A Not Guilty, gives you a number 731 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: of all of that. 732 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm curious man, Like, from a radio perspective, when you 733 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: would meet program directors, did they ever give you hell 734 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: about how hard you made their job because there was 735 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: just no artist separation? Yeah? 736 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, interesting enough you brought that up. The 737 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: reason why they created that artist separation law was because 738 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: of what I was doing. 739 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like, Yo, every a coon z 740 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: on fucking everything, and then after you it was t 741 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Pain's on fucking everything. And then Lil Wayne had that Runner. 742 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: He was on fucking everything. And now Drake is just like, 743 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: you know, it's crazy. 744 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: It was crazy, but that's why he did it for sure. 745 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's it's wild too because like for a 746 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: while there, like you were like everybody needed an acon hook. 747 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: Was there a feature that you almost did that didn't 748 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: end up coming out, or maybe something you cut that 749 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: didn't end up dropping, or something that almost happened that 750 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: didn't because you because you worked with so many artists. 751 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so many. It was actually a record that I 752 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: did with Nicki Minaj. It never dropped, it'd never dropped, 753 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: but it was I think would have been probably one 754 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: of my biggest pop records. 755 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: Wow, what year was this? 756 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: This happened in twenty seventeen. 757 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is recent recent, that. 758 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: Is, But back then I would probably say the one 759 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: that didn't come out was me And who was that? 760 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: Can I e remember which one it was? Ooh, well, 761 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the one that didn't come out but then eventually came 762 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: out after was doing with Michael Jackson. Ah, because that 763 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: was supposed. 764 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: To come out while he was while he was alive. 765 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: But then it was a lot of complication on the 766 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: release between Universal and Sony on the negotiations of it, 767 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: and then when Mike passed, the song went to his 768 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: estate and then two years later they ended up putting 769 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: it out. 770 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: Did you end up having any conversations with Mike when 771 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: he was alive, Oh? 772 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he was. He was my road dof for 773 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: like two years before he passed. 774 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: Oh, that's crazy. 775 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: He was doing a lot of work together and then 776 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: he was also doing a lot of new music that 777 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: was supposed to drop for his tour that he was 778 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: doing in the UK. 779 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: What was something like just being around Michael Jackson. Obviously 780 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: there's so many misconceptions about him, Yeah, too many. I 781 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people also didn't really know. 782 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: Him, They didn't know him at all. 783 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: What would you say your experience of being with him 784 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: was this? Man? 785 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: I think I wish the world would have gotten to 786 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: see and know him the way I did, because you 787 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: were And then I also realized why he was probably 788 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: the biggest artist on the planet. His heart drove everything 789 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: that he did. His focus was always on kids and 790 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: how he can mentally put them in a position to 791 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: conquer anything and also physically put them in the environments 792 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: to be able to conquer whatever those dreams were. Because 793 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: he was one of those kind of kids that didn't 794 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: have a childhood. Yeah, because he grew up as child star. 795 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: So that's why his adult years he was so attached 796 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: to things that kids do, because he was free enough 797 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: and rich enough to do those things that he never 798 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: got a chance to do, but he couldn't do it 799 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: with other adults. So he made sure that other kids 800 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: that didn't have the means to do it, were around 801 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: or was able to get that experience, you know what 802 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean? 803 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: And you guys worked on a lot of music down Yeah, 804 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: how many unreleased songs are well at least ideas? 805 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: Did you get to be a endless amount of ideas? 806 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: Endless amount of ideas? I wish I could chop them 807 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: things up and put them out today, but does. 808 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: The state have them? 809 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Well? I got them, but I could never put them 810 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: out because I don't think the state wouldever. 811 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: Everything sounds good though, that dude, you just got wrang 812 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson vocals just chilling. We'll never hear. That's what's crazy. 813 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: That's the worst, Yo, that's crazy. 814 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Yo? Did you have you and T 815 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: Pain ever discussed doing a joint project? 816 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually it's something that we're discussing now and believe 817 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: it or not, that's why we're starting to do more 818 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: appearances together, you know what I'm saying, to kind of 819 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: start getting that energy to see where the crowd is 820 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: often like what their energy is before we starting to 821 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: announce and starting things. 822 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think that would be monumental if you 823 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: and T Pain did like a like a ten song 824 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: banger or something, like that. 825 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: We definitely it's overdue, way overdue, but it's better. It's 826 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: better that we can do it now that we're both independent. 827 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like it's. 828 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: Because now we can do it the way we want 829 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: to do it. 830 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: Without all the red tape and all that bullshit. Right, 831 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: it's so it's crazy for people who don't know, like 832 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 2: t Pain. Uh, he said that like he really took 833 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: a gamble signing with you, because. 834 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: But I don't think it was a gamble. I would 835 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: say he took a leap of faith. 836 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: It was a leap of faith because he had other 837 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: opportunities on the table with big money. 838 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: Bob, major up opportunities, but he went with you. 839 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: And at the time, you have an unproven concept. Convict 840 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: music was just you. 841 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: It was just just me. 842 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: So like like he really kind of like you know, 843 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: just believed and he did and believed in me, and 844 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: then you know, the world has changed in music forever. 845 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because all I thought all I could offer him 846 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: at that time was a career. Yeah, I couldn't give 847 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: him the upfront money that he's looking for, but I 848 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: knew one thing rock on me. I'm gonna make sure 849 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: that you can be able to feature family forever, Yo, 850 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: And it worked out. It worked out, for sure, It 851 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: did work out. 852 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: Yo. Was there anybody who you almost signed the Convict 853 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: Music but it just didn't end up happening Young Thug? Really? 854 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had his first record, Stoner that was on Convict. 855 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: That was on Stoner was on Convict. 856 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: We pushed that one, so it was it was a 857 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: single deal. I was supposed to go into an actual 858 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: full album artist deal. But when that record blew up, of. 859 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: Course everybody came in everywhere else. 860 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: And uh, that's how that went in up. 861 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know Stoner was on Convict Music 862 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: because I do. 863 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: I wor you worked that record. That That's how I 864 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: met Ojibu Dirty. Actually, Wow, I met Ojibu Dirty as 865 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: we was uh doing all the promo. 866 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: Stuff for the and uh, did you guys at least 867 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: obviously despite him not staying with you, did you guys 868 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: keep a good relationship? 869 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, it was I mean, I know, business, yeah, 870 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: but you know, and the decisions he made actually worked 871 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: out for him because he had an amazing career for sure. 872 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his situation I think is uh. I 873 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: was just talking with jelly Roll, my boy jelly Roll 874 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: and he was saying, if he got his jelly roll, 875 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: he's so dope, he's amazing. Yeah, we just he just 876 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: got the number now in the country right now. I 877 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: love Yeah, he's incredible. But we're talking. I was on 878 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: the road with him a few days last week. Oh 879 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 2: that's dope, and we were talking about the thug situation 880 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 2: and he was like, man, if he gets out, he 881 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 2: better sue the fuck out of because it's been the 882 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: longest trial they've it's been so much malpractice. It would 883 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: seem with the prosecutor and Fanny Willis and all them, like, yeah, 884 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: with thugs, he might have a civil suit on his hands. 885 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: If he ends up getting exonerated. 886 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see where that goes, for sure. 887 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be h. It's definitely gonna be interesting. Man, 888 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: for you bred Like, what's next for you outside of 889 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: all like the Icon City, the new music or is there? 890 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: Are you gonna do a book or you gonna do 891 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: a podcast? 892 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: Or what are you doing? Man? We're doing all of it. 893 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: We got Convict media coming where it's gonna be a list. 894 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: I actually just acquired uh what used to be uh 895 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: what's called lit Radio now but before then it was 896 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: Dash Radio, yeah, which was yeah so. 897 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 2: Wait yeah Dash the Skis thingj. 898 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: Ski is a company out of all Australia that bought it, okay, 899 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: and then we acquired into that company and now we 900 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: named it lit Lit Radio. Yeah, Lit Radio, So it's 901 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: not not only it's gonna be podcast, but it's gonna 902 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: be streaming and everything else like that. 903 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think Dash, at least from what I remember, 904 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 2: it was available in like Ford. Was it Ford Vehicles? 905 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah it was. 906 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 2: So you're a part owner of that now yeah. 907 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, we took the whole platform. 908 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's big man. Yeah. I always wondered, like DJ Ski, 909 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 2: that dude right there, I'm super smart bro, and he's 910 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: always finding people to give him money. 911 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: Listen, he's the perfect Yeah when I tell you, Ski, 912 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, he pulls it out of a hat 913 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: every time, every time. 914 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: Because like Dash has been around. Always just was like thinking, like, 915 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a radio guy, right right, So I 916 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 2: always was just like how do they make money? 917 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: Right? 918 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: Like it just keeps getting I'm like, how where are 919 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 2: they getting all this money? 920 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: Ski Ski is like he's like a master uh uh, 921 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: a networker. He knows how to find but he's a 922 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: great picture too, Yeah, and he knows how to present 923 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: it to where you see the division. 924 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious man. Like you've been on so many 925 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 2: different sides of the music industry, it feels like there's 926 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: some sort of energy where at least I feel like 927 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: artists need to try to start figuring out a way 928 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: to push out, push off of these DSPs a little 929 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: and go go back to going direct a consumer, whether 930 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 2: it's dropping vinyls, whether it's dropping you know, merch. I 931 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 2: don't know if have you heard of Larussell, the kid Larrussell, 932 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: who's he's out in the Bays doing like super independent. 933 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: He's doing these concerts in his backyard. Wow, and you 934 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 2: have to pay, like you pay what you want to 935 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 2: go to the show. So the's got some people paying 936 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to come see him live and some 937 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 2: people paying ten dollars. 938 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: You know. That's so dope. 939 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 2: But I wonder where do you kind of forecast the 940 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: industry going. I feel like we were at least ten 941 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: years into the streaming era. 942 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: Now yeah, we end. I think there's going to be 943 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: a model that allows artists to now again go back 944 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: to selling something physical, even if it's a combination of music, 945 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: more merch and something digital asset to get you know, 946 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: to connect with it. But I do believe that the 947 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: streaming aspect of it is not making no sense for 948 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: us at all. Still. It's just to the point where 949 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a model that comes in that knocks 950 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: that out unless the stream is coming start actually getting. 951 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 2: Paying fairly something fairly Yeah, because the Spotify page your 952 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred bucks, you get a million streams, Like, 953 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. Crazy, a million people listening to 954 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: this or a million times and I'm only getting four grand, Like, yeah, 955 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: that's that's crazy. 956 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 957 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 2: I think it's just, you know, I think there has 958 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: to be like something like do you feel like major 959 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: labels are even like net Like, would you rather be 960 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: independent at this point? Or like if you're let's say 961 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: you're a con twenty years ago coming into the game, 962 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 2: you got a buzz going, you gotta mixtape buzz going, 963 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 2: do you feel like a label is necessary? 964 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Still? No, Not for me for sure. I mean that's 965 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: that's why I'm independent now. 966 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 2: But I'm talking about even if you're like a new artist, 967 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: you're fucking a contract as self fund. 968 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: Right as a newer artist, I think depending on what 969 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: it is they're doing. Right, if you're more of a 970 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: novelty artist, you know, you underground, you're trying to build 971 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: a swell to where you're not looking for this big 972 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: major career, definitely go independent. But if you're doing things 973 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: like top forty pop music, you kind of you're not 974 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: going to survive in an independent era. 975 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 976 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 977 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: I always say if you're a pop artist and that's 978 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 2: the goal, yeah, pop, you kind of need the machine. 979 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you need you should build unless you got unless 980 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: you unless you got someone like DJ Ski is going 981 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: to raise the money for you. 982 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or you have like a dope like creative like 983 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 2: partnership with the distribution company that still lets you keep 984 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 2: your masters. They'll give you an advance and like there's 985 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 2: some sort of like hybrid deal of the two like 986 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 2: Empire or something. 987 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Empire has actually actually been a good 988 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: model for the revenue model for independent artists. I think 989 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: they've done a really really good. 990 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 2: Jobeah, they got Shaboozie, The biggest song on Billboard this 991 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,959 Speaker 2: year is a technically it's a you know, Shaboozi owns 992 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 2: all that, you know, like he owns the Masters. 993 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: They're done a really really good job, you know, because 994 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: I think when you look at how Empire did it, 995 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: they took up a major uh uh position and they 996 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: actually start spending the money that's necessary, you know what 997 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I think from a perspective of independent, 998 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: it's really about the purse, just having the funding to 999 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: do it. But then you got to be connected to 1000 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: people that know who is the shakers and bakers in 1001 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: the business. 1002 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, you know, we see this so much. 1003 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: I always tell artists like, you could have all the 1004 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 2: money in the world, if you don't know where to 1005 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 2: spend it, then your fuck don't make sense because we 1006 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: how many people have we seen who have got the 1007 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 2: dope boy behind him driving stupid money? Athletes, Ah my. 1008 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: Goodness, every act got a label, like they just throw 1009 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: money out the window and it's never worked. It's never worked. 1010 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know the only one that's ever worked with Shack. 1011 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 2: You know, he was a major. He was rapping a major. 1012 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 2: I mean, he had Platinum. The reason he's the only 1013 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: one I'm talking about, Carmelo Anthony had a label. I'm 1014 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 2: already Stodamayer had a label. Uh of the. 1015 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 1: Durand even the ones you don't know God. 1016 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 2: Labels, and no one gives a right because they're just 1017 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: they're just thinking because they got money. It's like, bro, 1018 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 2: that's not you gotta know where to spend it. You 1019 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 2: got to you gotta be smart like money, like like 1020 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 2: money's one thing, but knowing what to do. 1021 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: With it is. 1022 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: Otherwise you're just a tax right off. Absolutely, yeah. How 1023 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: by the way, I'm curious, when you're like the level 1024 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 2: of wealthy that you are, do you have like any 1025 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 2: tax loophole, like a tidbitch you could share with the people, 1026 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: like anything I just think about taxes, bro, anything you 1027 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: could like write off the people don't think about. 1028 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: Like right, listen, the best and the smartest advice I 1029 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 1: can give you just follow all the rules to the tea. 1030 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: You can never listen. This is the part that I 1031 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: understand about people trying to evade taxes. It don't make sense, 1032 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: first of all, because what happens is you got money 1033 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: sitting in a bank or in a trust front, or 1034 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: it just sits there anyway. Right, It's like it literally 1035 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: just you can't spend all that money in a lifetime. 1036 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: So what is the point, right, So my thing is 1037 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: spend as much of it as possible that you can 1038 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: write off so you can get a portion of that bat. 1039 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it's literally that simple. It's that easy. I always say, like, 1040 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 2: if you know you got a big tax bill coming up, 1041 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 2: just start spending. What are some things you can invest in? Boom, Like, okay, 1042 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 2: I need new cameras, Boomed, I need a vehicle that 1043 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 2: weighs over six thousand pounds. 1044 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: There you go. You feel what I'm saying. 1045 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 2: Once you learn the rules of what's needed. Just people 1046 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 2: a private jet, right, because that's a rite off. That's 1047 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 2: the write off if you've got a business a PJ. 1048 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: And really what's so dope is that when you when 1049 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: you know, when you know how if you when you 1050 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: do follow the rules and you actually write it off, 1051 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: that money comes back to you. So it's almost like 1052 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: everything that you bought you getting for free. 1053 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 2: Yes, or that's what I say, really say, when it's 1054 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 2: time to if you're a business owner and that and 1055 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 2: and you know taxes are coming, you know you're gonna 1056 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 2: have a bill, you can either buy some ship that's 1057 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 2: useful to your business or give it away. To the government. 1058 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: Pick one, you got to pick one? 1059 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 2: Any idea when the new album's coming out. I know 1060 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 2: you got a new single in December, right. 1061 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to open the door for the actual 1062 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: album that's going to drop in Februar. 1063 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 2: Fully Independent, Fully Independent. I love I love it. What's 1064 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 2: going on with Kobe o'donna's random question? 1065 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, this is the fourth person that 1066 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: asked me about him. He's actually gonna be performing at 1067 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: the My My show in a couple of days, and would. 1068 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: Drive him to believe his weird, weird ass dad alone. Like 1069 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 2: I met him at a high school mixed tour ones 1070 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 2: when I was an intern, and Kobe O'donna's dad creeped 1071 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 2: me the funk out. But Yo, he was dope. He 1072 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 2: was so talented. 1073 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: Listen, can I tell you Kobe was justin Bieber before 1074 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: just he was super talented. He was the most unbelievable 1075 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: talent that I've had ever signed. But unfortunately, Yeah, his 1076 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: dad was in the middle of the lot of the business. Yeah, 1077 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: but now he's open, he's grown, he's free and unfortunate. 1078 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: Three years ago his dad actually passed away. 1079 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 2: He is actually moving his dad. I do feel bad 1080 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 2: for saying that. But how's your relationship these days with 1081 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 2: Go Go? You guys ever talk? 1082 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk, We talk as well. 1083 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if you and t Paine do 1084 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 2: a joint album, you gotta have her on the fucking album. 1085 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: Come on, now, it'd be crazy. Gotta happened. Well, my my, 1086 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: my oh is to get all of us together on 1087 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: something super super big. I don't care if it's gonna 1088 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: be a world tour whole album, but I just want 1089 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: to bring the whole family together as one celebration of 1090 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: all the stuff that we did and contributed to the business. 1091 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 2: Now for sure, man, we'll listen. Your legend the new 1092 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 2: song is out. Everybody should go run that up. Anything 1093 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 2: else people can support you on right now. But you know, 1094 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 2: obviously you gotta do you still have the crypto Huh? 1095 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 2: Is the crypto coin still thing? 1096 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: Oh? That's on pause. It was too political. I couldn't 1097 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: get it was start mixing up with my real business. 1098 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know much about it. Listen. I know 1099 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 2: I lost money on fucking ripple. 1100 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we all lost money on that stuff. But for 1101 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: for that specific me, it was more political because my 1102 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 1: coin was never even in the us. 1103 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 2: Right. 1104 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: That was for Africa and Africa only, but because it 1105 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: was doing so much in Africa, it started to affect 1106 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: some of the agendas and it started getting a little 1107 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: deep there. 1108 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 2: It is. Man, Well, look, I appreciate you pulling up 1109 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 2: a kon Yo. By the way, I might have to 1110 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 2: catch a flight to the Red Rocks show. That's crazy, Yo, 1111 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 2: you got to it's gonna be nuts, my guy, con 1112 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up boom fire. Let's do Uh, 1113 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna do some ship just for the radio show 1114 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 2: that it's gonna run on the syndicated show. So we're 1115 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 2: gonna have obviously we're gonna introduce the record, but I'm 1116 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 2: gonna have you do. We do something on the show 1117 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 2: called the Daily Hate, where people listeners calling and they 1118 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: hate on something. They can hate on their boss, their baby, mama, 1119 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 2: the traffic, fucking Trump, whatever. So I'm gonna ask you 1120 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 2: something that you're hating. 1121 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: On got you. I don't even know if I'm hating 1122 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: on anything. 1123 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 2: It could be. It could be like it could be 1124 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,479 Speaker 2: when you get something delivered to you from Uber Eats 1125 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 2: and the food is cold and they don't they don't 1126 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 2: give you utensils. 1127 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what I hated. 1128 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 2: It could be. It could be it could be it 1129 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 2: could be eddie, it could be fucking airline ship, it 1130 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 2: could be travel ship, every day ship. They don't have 1131 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 2: to be like hate per se, but it's just like 1132 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 2: something that you could be like, Yeah, man, you know 1133 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 2: I would maybe if you had an experience at an 1134 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 2: airport or maybe. 1135 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: You had an experience. I know exactly what I'm hating on. 1136 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 2: All Right, here we go, ro Yo. It's the boutleg 1137 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: Camp show. Shout out to Acon Man taking over the 1138 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 2: show Man. He got a new record out. We're going 1139 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 2: to get into that in this secons called Beautiful Day 1140 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 2: new album all the way. It is the celebrity edition 1141 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 2: of the Daily Hate Though, Acon, what are you hating on? 1142 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: Man? I ain't gonna lie to you. I was trying 1143 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: to think of anything that I can hate, because I 1144 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: don't hate much, but I had to say I am 1145 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: hating on the fact that every time I go through 1146 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: the UK, the sun is never out bro Oh in 1147 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: the UK it's one of my favorite places, but it's 1148 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,400 Speaker 1: always cloudiesh It's gloomy, gloomy, rainy, like I'm not gonna lie. 1149 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 2: I've never seen a video from someone in the UK 1150 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 2: where it looks sunny. It does always look great. 1151 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: Beautiful place though, Yeah, like I would live there if 1152 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: the sun just came out. 1153 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 2: Look, you got a new album coming out first quarter 1154 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: next year. I want you to get into this new single. 1155 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 2: Tell us about the song and let's get into it. 1156 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: Absolutely. This is called Acon's Beautiful Day Man. This is 1157 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: one of those songs that reminds you that no matter 1158 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: what you're going through in life, there's somebody out there 1159 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: that's going through worse. Man, So appreciate what you have 1160 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: and don't worry too much about what you want, what 1161 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to get. 1162 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Brand new Acon on your radios, 1163 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 2: The Bootleg cav Show. 1164 00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: Let's Go