1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Io. Listen. We're working on a few more 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: bonus episodes surprise, surprise. But in the meantime, I want 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: to tell you about what I think is the best 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: podcast ever. I want to tell you about Crimetown. Crimetown 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: is essentially the mother podcast of the Ballot of Billy Balls, 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: because the guys who made Crimetown are the guys behind 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: this show. Crimetown is part of why I fell in 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: love with podcasting and what made me realize there was 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: something beyond just two people sitting in a room with 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: a microphone. You can have a movie for your ears. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: The first season of Crimetown told the story of crime, corruption, 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: and the intersection of the mob and politics in Providence, 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, where they had this wild mayor, Buddy Ciancy, 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: who beat up a guy he thought was sleeping with 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: his wife and then he was forced to resign, but 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: then he got reelected several times. It's insane and it's incredible. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: It's truly the best thing I think that's ever been 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: made in the podcast space, and I'm not bias at all, 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: why would it be biased. In season two, Crimetown goes 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 1: to Detroit, where a new mayor is at the center 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: of the story, Qualmie Killpatrick. And if you don't know 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: anything about Kwamie Kilpatrick, give that a little google. It's 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: really juicy. The Crimetown team talked with Qualmie for hours. 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: He told the story of his epic rise as this 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: political star. He was hailed as like the new hope 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: for a Detroit that had weathered decades of white flight 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: and the industrialization and the War on drugs. But of 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: course he also had an epic fall. I'm gonna play 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: you a clip from Crimetown season two in which Kuami 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: talks about a rumor that he threw a wild party 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: at the mayor's mansion and that a stripper at that 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: party wound up dead. As the rumors grew, Kwami found 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: himself in a fight for his political life. The second 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: season of Crimetown is available wherever you get your podcasts. 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: Make sure you start from the beginning and subscribes so 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: you can snag the new episodes as they come out. 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: I hope you love it. I know you will, and 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: I'll see you soon. I love crime Town, but I 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: Detroit Mayor Kwamie Kilpatrick hopes he's putting all the rumors 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: and allegations are wrongdoing to rest. In May two thousand three, 41 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: a day after Heather Catalo confronted Kwamie Kilpatrick, the mayor 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: flew back to Detroit. He called a press conference on 43 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: the steps of the Manugian Mansion to address the scandal. 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: I want to stand here and tell the citizens of 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: the city of Detroit that Kwamie Kilpatrick has absolutely nothing 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: to hide about any of these allegations. I think and 47 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: feel very strongly that an independent evaluation or investigation needs 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: to be done on all of these allegations. So the 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: next time that someone is this runner and starts to 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: say anything, you all won't take it as true. And 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: with that, surrounded by family and friends and appointees, the 52 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: city's youngest mayor talked about the allegations that have rocked 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: his administration. The most serious that there was a wild 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: party at the Manougian Mansion with new dancers and his 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: wife walked in. It never happened. It never happened. It 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: never happened, and there are lemmy try it again and 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: again to dismiss the rumor of a wild party at 58 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the mayor's residence, but it just wouldn't go away, and 59 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: not only that right around this time something happened that 60 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: was about to make the rumor much much worse. This 61 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: was a typical drive by shooting. This is Mike Carlyle, 62 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: a Detroit homicide detective. In April two thousand three, a 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: woman named Tamara Green, who worked as an exotic dancer, 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: was finishing up her shift at a strip club Tomorrow Agreen, 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: she is known. Her dancing name or street name was Strawberry. 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: She had finished dancing the bar clothes at two a m. 67 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: After work, Tomary Green went to pick up her boyfriend, 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Eric Mitchell, a drug dealer known It's big She picked 69 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: him up and was she just driving over to the 70 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: city's west side and a little left to four a 71 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: on there and sitting in front of one of his houses. 72 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: And on the west side of Detroit. She's behind the 73 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: steering wheel and big E is sitting in the right 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: front passengers seat. Big E Eric he looked in front 75 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: of him at the corner. He's seen a light color 76 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: suv turn and started approaching their vehicle head head on. 77 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: The driver put out his left hand while Eric Mitchell, 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: by his own statement, just try to get down on 79 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: the floorboard as the suv got closer the driver this 80 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: ver we started firing and apparently emptied the clip of ammunition. 81 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: She was struck three times. I believe Eric was struck 82 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: twice in the shoulder and the vehicle went down the street. 83 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: The STUV rolled past him. Eric Mitchell jumps out of 84 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: the car and from there he runs up on a 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: porch asking neighbors for help, and the police arrived. The 86 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: SUV's already gone out of sight. Uh E. M s 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: gets on the scene. They pulled Themaric Green from the 88 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: vehicle and she's she's basically dead at the scene. There 89 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: are a lot of shootings in Detroit, but the murder 90 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: of Tamarrow Green wouldn't go unnoticed thanks to one particular detail. 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: The Lieutenant Church of squad Aid had made a remark 92 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: the caliber bullets that had a killder or forty caliber bullets, 93 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and he made to remark, well, you know Detroit police 94 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: carry black forty caliber weapons. Well here you know. The 95 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: media started a frenzy again, claims that strippers went to 96 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: the Mayor's mansion for a party for Fammi Killpatrick, that 97 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: the mayor's wife showed up and was outraged. Reports she 98 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: attacked and assaulted one of the exotic dancers, and that 99 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: one of the dancers at the mansion was to Mary Green, 100 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: a high press Stripford known as Strawberry. The same woman, 101 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: two months later was murdered in the drive by police 102 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: now described that as a head wild rumors or true story. 103 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: To Mary Green was the person supposed that got beat 104 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: up at the party by the mayor's wife. This is 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: Christine Beatty, Qualmi's chief of staff. Ultimately, she ended up dead. 106 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: So then they tried to do this theory of old 107 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: She ended up dead because she danced at the mayor's 108 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: party when that thing came up and took on its 109 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: own life. Again, we had already established it. There was 110 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: no party, so now try to tie this random girl's 111 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: murder in with you know, the Mayorn administration was to this. 112 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: It makes me so angry. I did it was. It 113 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: was a horrible time for us. It was a horrible time. 114 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: Then after this young lady got killed, I heard that, 115 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: oh that was the stripper at the man The news 116 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: was chased me down, calling me a murderer. After that, 117 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, because I'm out of here busting my butt 118 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: for this time. I mean, you know, I didn't get it. 119 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Ea sleep, you know, I was waking up in the 120 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: middle of the night doing all kinds of stuff. You know, 121 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: we just trying to shovel, stoke, cut grass, fixed streets. 122 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: All of that work got swallowed up in this kind 123 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: of negro urban legend it was called. But it was 124 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: more than that. It was a part of the whole 125 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: process of really demonizing and uh degrading me. And so yeah, 126 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: it definitely hurt. I was depressed and tired and wanted 127 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: to get up out of there in Detroit a huge 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: development in the Minugian mansion scandal involving a stripper who 129 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: later wound up that that scandal revolves around in Detroit. 130 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: To Mayor Cormie Kilpatrick his wife. When we start coming 131 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: up on time to run again, which is two thousand 132 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: and five, we had to seriously think about it. I mean, 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: it was like I want out of here. I mean 134 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I was very like, I'm breaking my neck for what now? 135 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Like hold on? And of course you always come back 136 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: to the people, the citizens that your servant. But is 137 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: it worth being attacked in this way? And I don't 138 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: remember the exact conversations of how we got there. I 139 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: know the overall thing was we can't go out like this, 140 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: like this can't be the Swan song, like we owe 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: it to our city and the people that are here 142 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: to continue this fight.