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Speaker 3: That's right, two teams headed in opposite directions. It seems

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Speaker 3: like the Kansas City Chiefs have done it again. They've

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Speaker 3: gotten rid of yet another All Pro player, this time

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Speaker 3: cornerback Trent McDuffie, sending him to Los Angeles to the

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Speaker 3: Rams for a first round pick this year, a fifth

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Speaker 3: and a sixth this year, and a third round pick

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Speaker 3: next year so the Rafts can go all in around

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Speaker 3: Rob's favorite quarterback, staff Packer, I mean Matthew Stafford. Ram

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Speaker 3: looking at making the Super Bowl run. Chiefs to be determined.

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Speaker 1: Keith, I don't know about you, but this is I

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Speaker 1: thought it was official last year when the Chiefs didn't

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but this is even more official. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs dynasty, wrung, whatever you want to call it, is dead.

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Speaker 1: Dead as a door knob. Yet another All Pro player

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Speaker 1: out the door. Chris Jones is gonna be right behind that.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, I get it. For years they thought,

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Speaker 1: as long as you have Patrick Mahomes, you got a chance,

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Speaker 1: because you know what, he's that good.

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Speaker 4: He's that guy.

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Speaker 1: It don't matter who else you got, bringing any receivers,

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Speaker 4: We'll still get to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We'll still cost terror in the AFC and have a

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Speaker 1: chance to win a championship. Those days are over. Last

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Speaker 1: year was a perfect example. People thought they were gonna

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Speaker 1: run it back because they went to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even make the playoffs. And let's be Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is not the same guy. He hasn't been for

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Speaker 1: two and a half years. I don't care if they

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Speaker 1: went to the super Bowl. Look at it. He can't

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Speaker 4: The Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I know they're moving to Kansas, but they've already moved on.

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Speaker 1: This Chief party is over, Keith. I don't see how where,

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Speaker 1: what Andy Weid whatever they're doing, that they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: it's raps and I'm I'm here to see it. I'm

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Speaker 4: Did you mention.

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Speaker 5: Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift and that whole thing being done?

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Speaker 5: We don't ever have to see that again on an

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Speaker 5: NFL screen? And how long does Andy Reid have with

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Speaker 5: this team?

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Speaker 5: I know they're opening that stadium up in twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 5: That's a long time from now. It seems like they're

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Speaker 5: the back end of mahomes career. Everybody wanted to talk

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Speaker 5: I guess they're planning for him to take a little

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Speaker 5: career and build this team with these picks and get

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Speaker 5: You called it last year. I remember you texted me

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Speaker 5: and then you actually had me on your show Thanksgiving

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Speaker 5: it's the end, Farewell, happy trails. I mean, that's a rap.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what they're gonna do in these

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I know they're gonna say, well, Tom Brady went nine seasons,

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Speaker 1: People forget that, that's when the Giants put the beat

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Speaker 1: This ain't the same party you just mentioned Andy Weid,

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Speaker 1: I think this is if you're a Chiefs fan, you

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Speaker 4: Say, why why are they not.

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Speaker 1: remember when Patrick Mahomes signed that back team friendly contract.

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Speaker 1: You remember that, Oh, do what Tom Brady did. This

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Speaker 1: will help you win long term. And all they're doing

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Speaker 1: same guy. It's over in Kansas City.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also their division too, right. The Denver

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Speaker 5: You also figure the Chargers, you know they were a

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Speaker 5: Maybe the hunt Famili's like, hey, we had our run

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Speaker 5: of parades, super Bowls, we made our money. Let's chill

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Speaker 5: then we'll try to attack this thing for the you know,

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Speaker 5: the twilight of Patrick Mahomes' career.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing too. Look at the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: Lamar is still trying to win his go to his

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Speaker 4: So it's not gonna be a smooth ride.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be what we saw when he started

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Speaker 1: My old partner Chris Bussard said he was Jordanesque and

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Speaker 4: Everybody thought he's gonna chase down Brady. He didn't even pass.

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Speaker 1: Uh Joe Montana, Joe Montana's four town the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And now today they're ready to say we're going to punt,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get rid of players that you need

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Speaker 1: He just hasn't done his magic enough over the last

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Speaker 1: few years for me to feel good about the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it's the NFL. What does that stand for? Not

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Speaker 5: As soon as you're ready to say somebody's a dynasty,

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Speaker 5: they're gonna run the table. This is the next Tom

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Speaker 5: Brady injury happens. Free agency happens, like I think they

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Speaker 5: just they let go of Juwan Taylor. Isaiah Pacheco is

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Speaker 5: completely different. And they had their issues the last two years,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they had so many last minute comeback victories.

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Speaker 5: Two years ago they were almost fraudulent I don't want

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Speaker 5: to call them fraut They weren't.

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Speaker 1: No, no, they were fraudulent and all of those lucky

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Speaker 4: Falling with flooky. It was very fluky.

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Speaker 1: And you looked at it and said, are they really

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Speaker 1: They got a from Tyree d Boy. They got to

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Speaker 1: get Tyreek back for this run. Oh, so this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be old timer's day. Now you want to go

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hi'll be rehabbing together in

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Speaker 4: And then they're getting rid of Arrowhead.

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Speaker 5: How do you get rid of one of the best

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Speaker 5: Taylor Swift come back in five years and show them

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Speaker 5: how fancy you guys are whatever, y'all. Well, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I'm a hater. They won so much. I'm praying on

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Speaker 3: Rob, your third favorite Aaron in the world, behind Aaron

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Speaker 3: Judge and Aaron Mallard.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, He's moved down to third place now he's

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Speaker 3: are you going to be back in Pittsburgh next season?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? What's the timeline? Aaron Rodgers, you said,

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Speaker 3: very non committal.

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Speaker 7: Take a listen, Mike, I've talked to Omar. There's been

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Speaker 7: no deadline that's been you know, that's been put in

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Speaker 7: front of me. There's no contracts, you know, offer or anything.

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Speaker 7: So there's nothing that I'm you know, having to debate between.

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Speaker 7: I'm you know, free agent and you know again, I'm

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Speaker 7: of the off season and and you know, I think

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Speaker 7: there's conversations to be added down the line, but right

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Speaker 7: now I'm not not. There hasn't been any progressive conversations.

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Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, take your time, we got we got

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Speaker 5: it just goes on and on. My friends, some people

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Speaker 4: Forever, just because why do we do this? Why do

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Speaker 5: Pat McAfee pays him to be on this show anytime

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Speaker 4: We lean into it. We played so now Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy's got to be pulling his hair out, like yo,

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Speaker 5: here we go again, deja vu with this guy.

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Speaker 4: I gotta deal with this guy. The Packers kicked him

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Speaker 5: The Jets played that game and you saw how Karma

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Speaker 5: I just said, father time is undefeated. Aaron like bro

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, hang it up. He's cooked. I can't do

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Speaker 5: this anymore. How long has he been in the league.

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Speaker 5: We just watched his Enigma Netflix show, like Why does

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Speaker 4: The game has passed him by.

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Speaker 5: He's made all of his money like the highest paid

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Speaker 4: I can't do another year of this, Just retire. Hang

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna push back and Pittsburgh last year. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you this. Do you know what Aaron Rodgers record was

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Speaker 4: Ten and six? Ten and six.

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Speaker 1: They hadn't had a quarterback, a real quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Are we applauding ten and six?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Steelers didn't go nine to eight.

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Speaker 1: No, they won the division with Aaron Rodgers, with the

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Speaker 4: You can pooh pull it all you want. They came division.

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Speaker 4: We already know about the Browns the Bagels. This year

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Speaker 5: I'm gotta get a quarterback that can move in this league,

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Speaker 1: He's forty two, Rob, I know he's forty two, But

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Speaker 1: I'm saying to you, do you know what this? The

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Speaker 5: Look around, they have quarterbacks, the proper quarterbacks coming in

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Speaker 4: A nobody talking about no draft.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about quarterbacks who are proven, who can play.

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Speaker 5: The Rivers they they these older guys, no country for

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Speaker 4: These old guys saw Philip Rivers and now none one

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Speaker 5: But now Aaron Rodgers says he can play. Until he

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Speaker 5: four to forty five. Philip Rivers comes back. Now these

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Speaker 4: They will let time. There's a chance. Should who should play.

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Speaker 4: They don't have a quarterback and until they Jill Howard,

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Speaker 5: My boy signed. Somebody, go sign somebody. Michael Carton coming in,

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Speaker 5: McCarty's coming in because they kicked Tomlin to the curve. Well,

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Speaker 5: Tomlin stepped down, but Tomlin couldn't get them to the

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Speaker 5: Promised Land. He was just enough, just good enough, just

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Speaker 5: coming back is gonna be mid again. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 5: we're always in our time entertaining his guy so and so.

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Speaker 1: Instead of being mid, you're gonna go up three and

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Speaker 4: Because he was a coach.

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Speaker 5: They're not gonna know the Steelers will win because you're

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Speaker 5: gonna win more than three games. He'll probably win another

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Speaker 4: Oh you exactly who that's going.

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Speaker 1: But there's the issue, and it's easy to say, go

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Speaker 1: get somebody else, go do this. All I know if

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Speaker 1: you're the Steelers from a year ago, Aaron Rodgers connected

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Speaker 1: with that team. They were He was ten and six

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Speaker 1: when he played. He missed a couple of games to injury. Right,

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Speaker 1: he played, he was ten and six. They won the division.

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Speaker 4: They and you shouldn't even have got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm thinking about it, well, but they didn't.

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Speaker 1: What happened? They they won the game. And all I'm

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Speaker 1: saying to live, yeah, all right, that it's called football.

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Speaker 1: And you could sit here all day and talk about

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Speaker 4: The footballs could give you all of that.

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Speaker 1: If I did that with Tom Brady, who's the low

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Speaker 4: So all I'm.

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Speaker 5: Saying is, but Rogers got one super Bowl, he's not

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Speaker 5: getting another one. If you want to be made, bring

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Speaker 5: Stop wasting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give you exhibit A on why you're

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the defense was stat Okay, but my

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Speaker 1: But my point is he wasn't the quarterback that he

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Speaker 4: Game different. You can win and if you have the

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, if Aaron Rodgers was on

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Speaker 4: With that defense. I'll get you. I'll get that. Okay.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm trying to Steelers have enough around Aaron

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Speaker 5: I think it'll be another wasted year and then Aaron

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Speaker 5: Rodgers will bow out. He should just ride off into

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Speaker 5: story franchise, got them to the playoffs, and that's it. Bro,

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Speaker 5: Go chill with your wife being Malibu, be on the beach,

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Speaker 5: Go go go do ayahuasca, like go go do anything else.

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Speaker 5: I'm good on Aaron Rodgers saka another year. It is

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't get caught up personally, Like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me. If a guy wants to play.

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Speaker 1: He played well last year. I remember two years ago

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Speaker 1: when everybody said he was washed. He had the same

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Speaker 4: The stats can be leader.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't necessary like his arm is still there, but

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Speaker 4: Even some accuracy. He misses some throws. He's old.

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Speaker 5: And the last thing I'll say about him, he's scared

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Speaker 5: He's a tough game. He's a rough game. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: He's still won ten games. And the division you could

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Speaker 1: I would run a banks. That'll be because of Mike

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Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. That's the only reason. If they

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: But they don't go pay Malik Williston. What you're talking

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Speaker 5: Does he want to go to the Cardinals or does

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Speaker 5: he want to go to the Steelers? All right, Steelers drafted?

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Speaker 5: Can he pick it in on him a couple of

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Speaker 5: years back? Run it back, bring Mike Malik Willison. I'm

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Speaker 5: telling you Aaron Rodgers is cooked. And he always makes

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Speaker 5: it about himself and he blames people and he's it's

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Speaker 4: I couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to do it

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Speaker 4: if I was Mike McCarthy nor Moss. No thanks.

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Speaker 1: Live solemn news. Today in the college football world, Rob G.

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Speaker 1: Lou Holtz passed away. It was he eighty nine, eighty

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Speaker 1: nine years old. Eighty nine years that's a long life.

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Speaker 1: But whenever you have a long life, you know there's

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Speaker 1: more things can happen, controversies, things that fill out your

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Speaker 1: life and make it complicated. Rob G.

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Speaker 3: That is very much true. They're gonna say the same

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Speaker 3: thing about Rob Parker in a couple of years before that.

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Speaker 4: Robes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, lou Holt's best known for, you know, leading Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame to an undefeated season in the eighties national championship team,

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Speaker 3: third winning his coach in Notre Dame football history, and

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Speaker 3: he also is not without controversy. There were allegations of

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Speaker 3: as revered and as much people enjoyed him on television

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Speaker 3: as an analyst, he was a character. He was very funny,

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Speaker 3: He supported a politician who was against the civil rights movement.

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Speaker 3: So there was a very, as you mentioned, complicated history

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Speaker 3: when it comes to Lou Holtz.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say this, just go to keep it

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Speaker 1: real with you. I can't look past the starf that

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Speaker 1: Rob g just mentioned later in his life and just say, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to recognize him as this football coach

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't when I look at your life, I look

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Speaker 1: at everything, and I'm not here to just point out

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Speaker 1: it's not one thing.

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Speaker 4: Some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: That went on was just mind boggling to me, especially

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Speaker 1: for a guy who made a living working off the

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Speaker 1: really is troublesome, some of the stuff that lou Holtz

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Speaker 1: was saying later on his career. We see this happen

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Speaker 1: a lot, Keith, where guys have this life. They're one way,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're coaching or in some other circumstance,

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Speaker 1: they retire, get older, and they feel like they can

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Speaker 1: do and say whatever they want, which is their right.

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Speaker 1: But it's also my right to look at a person

442
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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at their whole life, and I'm never

443
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Speaker 1: ever because I don't think anybody else gets treated that

444
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Speaker 1: way where you can just pick out the good parts.

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Speaker 4: And when I.

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Speaker 1: Thought of Lou Holtz today, it wasn't about him being

447
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Speaker 1: a coach of Notre Dame. It wasn't about him being

448
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 1: a witty analyst on television. It wasn't any of that.

449
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: It was the later stuff that really bothered me about him,

450
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: and questioned how that guy coached football and coached such

451
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Speaker 1: a diverse staff and you know what I mean, and

452
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Speaker 1: players and whatnot. It just it always I'm always amazed

453
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Speaker 1: that people have those kind of thoughts when they work

454
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 1: hand in hand with people who don't look like them.

455
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Speaker 1: So today was one of those days. I'm not here

456
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Speaker 1: to rain on his you know, death or anything, but

457
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think that you have to look

458
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Speaker 1: at people in totality and the way you go out

459
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: is often the times the way people look at you

460
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Speaker 1: or they remember you. So that's why you talk about

461
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: legacy and what people think. For today, Lou Holtz, I

462
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: could not think of him as the football coach. It

463
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Speaker 1: was the last stuff that really bothered me about Lou Holtz.

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Speaker 5: And and that's okay because that's that's his doing. And

465
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Speaker 5: it's not like you're kicking dirt on his grave, not

466
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Speaker 5: all alone. And you know, I'll say this, I immediately

467
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 5: thought of Hulk Hogan, right because when Hulk Hogan passed,

468
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 5: I saw the internet's reaction to that, and a lot

469
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Speaker 5: of black folks spoke up to say, hey, like, no

470
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 5: rip to him, no, no well wishes to him. We're

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Speaker 5: not celebrating his like remember what he said and what

472
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Speaker 5: he did. Now, I think you have to be a

473
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Speaker 5: man of a certain age to really know Lou Holtz.

474
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Speaker 5: I just remember him as college game day and just

475
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 5: being you know, like a dad gummy at old ball coaching,

476
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 5: like a real football guy and an old guy. But

477
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 5: being old also isn't an excuse for any racism. Being

478
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Speaker 5: old also is in an excuse for for any type

479
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Speaker 5: of discrimination, especially like Rob said, when you were coaching

480
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 5: and benefiting off of the backs of black players. So

481
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 5: we're in an era now with social media where everybody

482
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 5: has a platform and when anybody goes it breaks first

483
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: on social media and the good can be put out there.

484
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 5: But if there was bad, and people remember the bad,

485
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 5: people don't forget, that's gonna be right next to it.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

487
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Speaker 1: And it's complicated, and we said it his life was

488
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Speaker 1: complicated because in the beginning there was a lot of good.

489
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Speaker 1: It was a lot of good. And I'm with you

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Speaker 1: just because you get older, We've seen it. It happened

491
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: so many times where people go out and you just go, why.

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Speaker 4: Is this hat? Why would you after all this?

493
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Speaker 1: But is it I don't know, Keith, is it that

494
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Speaker 1: that's really where they were the whole time? And then

495
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: now they just feel like they're bulletproof. I could do

496
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: whatever I want. I could say whatever I want. Nobody

497
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: can do anything to me. You know what I mean.

498
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm an old man. What are you gonna do to me.

499
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: You can't fire me, you can't reprimand me. I'm gonna

500
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: say what I want. And maybe this is the way

501
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: he thought the whole way through.

502
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Speaker 4: But he needed people.

503
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: He needed the minorities and the black people in order

504
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: to win football games and the Winter National Championship and whatnot.

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Speaker 4: It's really not for nothing you made. I said, HAWLK. Hogan.

506
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Speaker 5: You're talking about Lou Holtz in that manner made me

507
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 5: think of the President of the United States. He's up

508
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 5: there in agent. He's just a certain kind of way.

509
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 5: You can't change him. He's he's shown who he is

510
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: time after time, and it is what it is. But

511
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 5: it's not an excuse.

512
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Speaker 4: It's not an excuse.

513
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Speaker 1: And I think the whole Hogan one is it a

514
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: lot of people and you notice were big Hulk Hogan fans.

515
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Speaker 4: And that stuff sticks with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know we do what I guess, rob

517
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Speaker 1: g I'll get you here on this. Just your thoughts.

518
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: What did you think of first? Because That's what I

519
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: really want to find out. When we talked to a

520
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 1: couple listeners is what was your first reaction. Obviously it's

521
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: sad away, but did you think of Notre Dame, Did

522
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: you think of a TV and analyst? Did you think

523
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: of the racist and controversial and stuff that went on

524
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: at the end of his life. What was the first

525
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: thing that you thought of, Because for me, it wasn't

526
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Speaker 1: about him being a coach at Notre Dame.

527
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Speaker 4: I gotta admit I didn't think of a Notre Dame either.

528
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: As the first thing.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was him on television because that's how

530
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: I grew up, was watching him on television. And was

531
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 3: he on Game Day or their version of Game Day

532
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: at the time on ESPN. I think that's what it

533
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: was on, and he was like a character, like he

534
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: was just a guy, was kind of funny and an

535
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 3: older dude, and they really lean into the bit. And

536
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: then even more recently, this is I didn't even mention

537
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 3: this on the intro, his beef with Ryan Day, Like

538
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: Ryan Day was winning national championship at Ohio State and

539
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: lou Hols is taking shots at him through the media,

540
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: and it's like that's how I remembered him, and it

541
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: wasn't until and you wondered about that life, like really,

542
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: like why would you a.

543
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: Coach another coach? It just seemed weird, didn't it.

544
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so it was just interesting that once he

545
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: passed and it it's really telling depending which websites you

546
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: go to, like what they're willing to discuss, Like if

547
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: you read the ESPN one, it's exceptionally high standards, legendary

548
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: coach at Notre Dame.

549
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: Do they mention any controversies and.

550
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: You don't really see anything talking about the other stuff.

551
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: And then you go to like it right, you go

552
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 3: to USA Today and it's something different.

553
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: You go to.

554
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: News Weekend because maybe ESPN their relationship with him and

555
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: his family is probably part of it.

556
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: And also they thought about that.

557
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: But that that that never should be when when they

558
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: tell your story, they tell your entire story. And it

559
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you lead with it, you know what

560
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

561
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Speaker 4: I get that. I'm not saying you lead with it.

562
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Speaker 1: But it's what to only write positive about somebody or

563
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: leave out.

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Speaker 3: So in the ESPN article, and this is a couple

565
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: thousand words, it's buried somewhere like eighty percent. Yeah, this

566
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: is all it says. I'm gonna read it to you verbatim.

567
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: Holts went sixty twenty one and two and seven seas

568
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: at Arkansas, but he resigned in nineteen eighty three after

569
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: coming under fire for filming two television commercials in his

570
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: office endorsing conservative North Carolina Center or Jesse Helms. They

571
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: became friends while Holts was coaching Nancy State. Still his

572
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: success and another name is what all his predecessors live

573
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: up to.

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Speaker 1: That's unbelievable, like like that's white watching it like his

575
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: life because.

576
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Speaker 4: There's way more.

577
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: You even talked about the immigration and what he said

578
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: about immigrants.

579
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: And whatnot, called it an invasion. An invasion?

580
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: Is that right? I thought everybody came from somewhere else

581
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: in this country.

582
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, the thought of the free this is supposed to

583
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 5: be where. I don't know, joining the melting pod.

584
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: I just I just think there's nothing wrong with looking

585
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: at someone's entire life, even in death. There's no way

586
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: you can leave out. You know, I'm not saying you

587
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: gotta trash the guy and write some and people do it.

588
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 4: You know, I've seen it.

589
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I saw Jesse Jackson's when he passed away on one

590
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: of these networks. The guy called him, this is on

591
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: the day he died, a race pim that can you imagine,

592
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: like seriously, like everything he's done, that was the thing

593
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: that he led with. But nobody would dare do that

594
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: to Lou Holtz and what he said and the stories

595
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: that you read, I'm just saying today was not today.

596
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: I thought of Notre Dame football. I thought of Lou Holtz,

597
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: the controversial conservative guy who really seemed like a different

598
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: person to me. That that's what I felt like, And

599
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think about football. I thought about everything other

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Speaker 1: than football when it came to Lou Holtz