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Speaker 1: You're listening to Draftings.

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Speaker 2: Network the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that both the.

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Speaker 1: Next big job there, crack.

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Speaker 2: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: That's why would you not go live on a Sunday morning?

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Speaker 5: Why would you not go live? Ken flow up into

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Speaker 5: the wee hours of the morning, ingesting another UFC fight

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Speaker 5: night at the Apex. Then he had to shoot this morning,

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Speaker 5: And I asked you guns or television? It was not

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Speaker 5: a TV shoot this morning. You were shooting pistols and

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Speaker 5: probably grabbing them very quickly from from about here along

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Speaker 5: your waist to wherever you need to shoot it from.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh you're killing me dude.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 1: It was a bit of a strug, a wee bit

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Speaker 1: of a struggle. Why do we need to start these

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Speaker 1: fighting eights at ten pm? John? Why why we're on

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Speaker 1: the East coast For Pete's sake, we need to fight

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Speaker 1: back against his tyranny.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't subject myself to it live necessarily, right,

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Speaker 5: I lean into the sleep at my advanced stage. You know,

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Speaker 5: I can't levy any complaints on fight time when we

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Speaker 5: have a lot of Aussie's and Europeans that devote their

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Speaker 5: lives to this whole exercise. I can speak to it

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Speaker 5: as somebody who worked graveyard shifts at ESPN and who

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Speaker 5: has worked through the night repeatedly professionally what it is like.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what I would do if I

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Speaker 5: was a UFC fan living in England as an example,

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Speaker 5: and we did not intend to lead the show with

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Speaker 5: this great to have everybody with us, by the way, Sunday,

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Speaker 5: August twenty five, twenty twenty four, it's episode five seventy

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Speaker 5: the Ani Comploring Podcast. I think what I would do,

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Speaker 5: and I probably shouldn't admit this live, but if I

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Speaker 5: lived in England, bro, like you can't you pay for

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Speaker 5: it the whole fucking work week, right, That's why, Like

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Speaker 5: when you say a ten pm Eastern main card, I

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Speaker 5: guarantee you some of these Brits are like.

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Speaker 1: Hey you yeah, right exactly. So I'm sure alcohol is

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Speaker 1: involved in that equation as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah well, and code blues right in the chat here.

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Speaker 5: If you work night shifts, maybe it works well with

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Speaker 5: your schedule. There are a lot of different things. Right

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Speaker 5: when I was working at ESPN and then coming back

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Speaker 5: to my hotel room and watching Eddie Alvarez and Dream

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Speaker 5: and Sengoku in the middle of the night, it felt

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Speaker 5: like everything was working for me. I don't know that

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Speaker 5: I was all that happy at that stage of my life,

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Speaker 5: but that's what I was doing. But I guess if

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Speaker 5: I was a fan in England, I would shave off

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Speaker 5: probably ten UFC fight nights and probably devote myself to

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Speaker 5: thirty the thirty best shows, certainly the pay per views,

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Speaker 5: but you'd almost have to use your paid time off

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Speaker 5: if that's what they call what a fucking PTO or

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Speaker 5: whatever it is, to take those Mondays off, if you

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Speaker 5: were gonna watch a fight night and the Aussies, it's

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Speaker 5: a whole different story. It's a long winded way of

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Speaker 5: saying we respect this fan base. It's truelo about all

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Speaker 5: of the reason we're live here. You know, we're not

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Speaker 5: just live for Big Ron Pellegrino, who gets impatient wait

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Speaker 5: for the fucking program. By the way, in terms of

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Speaker 5: the F word that I have now dropped so many

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Speaker 5: different times, So my mother and this is a tweet

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Speaker 5: this morning, my mother has implored me to stop using

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Speaker 5: the F word as my chief verbal crutch on the

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Speaker 5: Anak and Thorne podcast. In any event, we're going live

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Speaker 5: today eleven fifteen am Eastern, So she doesn't like it.

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Speaker 5: She wants me to clean it up, and in the

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Speaker 5: context of it being a verbal crutch, it feels like

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Speaker 5: I should clean it up. And so somebody wrote back

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Speaker 5: to that tweet, this is Aaron Magro on ex Kenny.

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Speaker 5: It's off putting. To be honest, it's lazy vernacular from

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Speaker 5: such a great orator such as yourself. I'd be remiss

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Speaker 5: with silence if I didn't concur with maternal advice that

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Speaker 5: had the long stand sentiment of mother knows best firmly

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Speaker 5: attached to it. Right, and at forty six, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: like leaning into my mom and she's right, spend more

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Speaker 5: time with the mom. And but you know, it's less

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Speaker 5: me if I if I shave that word out. So

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Speaker 5: I don't know where you stand on that, but.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's very much like I said, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: very much in our Boston culture, like we grew up

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Speaker 1: just kind of like everyone swearing every other word.

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Speaker 5: So it's like you check it on the program. I

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Speaker 5: chose her a role model. You try try.

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Speaker 1: I try to be conscious of it because I.

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Speaker 5: Could let it slip very easily as well. Yeah, so

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Speaker 5: I guess it's just about how you want to approach it.

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Speaker 5: I don't swear on live TV. We should have Bruce

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Speaker 5: Buffer on he considers himself a role model. But I

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Speaker 5: do these q and as in Australia. And they asked

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Speaker 5: me to drop the C word, which I won't even

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Speaker 5: do on the Anekin from podcast because culturally, to them,

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Speaker 5: it just means you're a good egg if you're a

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Speaker 5: sick fing c. Yes, And they asked me to do it,

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Speaker 5: and in front of two thousand people, I will oblige,

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Speaker 5: but I won't do it. Here finds is brought to

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Speaker 5: my Quervo. Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila

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Speaker 5: that invented tequila. I have been drinking more these days.

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Speaker 5: I've been drinking more Quervo and it really is good.

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Speaker 5: It really has has opened my eyes to the tequila

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Speaker 5: that invented te Keith, excuse me, so a lot of

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Speaker 5: different directions in which we can go. Kenny, I want

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Speaker 5: to talk a little bit about UFC three to oh six,

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Speaker 5: and it seems as though there was some added promotional

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Speaker 5: element to UFC three oh six and not ri Odd

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Speaker 5: season presents note Ja UFC on the broadcast. I kept

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Speaker 5: here in Fitzy Bang that three oh six, So Sean

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Speaker 5: O'Malley went on Michael Bisping's Believe You Me podcast, and

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Speaker 5: I think sort of feels like Spear is being promoted

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Speaker 5: more than he is. So it's a tremendous fight. It's

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Speaker 5: nearly upon us. It's the biggest fight that is on

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Speaker 5: our immediate horizon with respect to Gilbert Burns and Sean Brady,

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Speaker 5: and Ray Longo and Damon Jackson and everything else. I

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Speaker 5: want to get thoughts on uh Chan O'Malley, may Rob Dwallis,

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Speaker 5: Willie you know a few weeks away.

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Speaker 1: I love the fight primarily because we have two men

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Speaker 1: in their respective disciplines of striking and grappling that are

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Speaker 1: Morob from doing what he does best, which is take

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Speaker 1: Everything is different. Everything is complete opposites. And I think

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Speaker 1: both guys have a great chance of winning this fight,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not exactly sure which way I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I might be leaning towards Morob Dualashvili right now, just

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Speaker 1: because no one has really figured him out. But I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you that if O'Malley catches him, especially if he

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Speaker 1: catches him early, because we've seen Morob vulnerable early in fights,

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Speaker 1: that's where he can win this fight. He lands, he

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Speaker 1: knocks you out, period. So it is fascinating for a

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Speaker 5: Is Marob more likely to win by knockout or submission

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Speaker 1: I would say maybe neither. I would say probably, you

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Speaker 5: I don't say no more, Yeah, say no more. You

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Speaker 5: answered the question for me. People overwhelmingly believe if mirob

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Speaker 5: wins this fight, it's gonna have to be the long game.

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Speaker 5: And if you believe in a lot of the work

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Speaker 5: that Shaan O'Malley has been doing getting better, Brandon Harris

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Speaker 5: breathing strength and conditioning, I don't hate Sean O'Malley in

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Speaker 5: a long game type of fight. Now, as far as

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Speaker 5: the betting odds are concerned, and perhaps sharp money has

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Speaker 5: moved this right, I have to get I have to

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Speaker 5: be a little bit careful as a play by play

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Speaker 5: announcer to lean too far into this right because then

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Speaker 5: people can lean into what I say. But privately they're

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Speaker 5: gonna do anyway, by the way, way they're gonna do anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I want to be a matchmaker if you

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Speaker 5: want to read the headlines, right. So, but Sean O'Malley

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Speaker 5: like plus one sixty four. Yeah, and Corey Sandhagen, fellow

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Speaker 5: Bantamway contender, take it from him, not me, you know.

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Speaker 5: He just felt like it would be very surprising and

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Speaker 5: see Morob as some two to one favorite. Now, maybe

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Speaker 5: that's the direction in which you lean here as we

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Speaker 5: just don't know what it's going to take for Sean

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Speaker 5: into disrespect because betting odds aren't necessarily rooted in respect,

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Speaker 5: right because plus one sixty four is gone, he's plus

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Speaker 5: think he's going to close as the betting favorite, right,

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Speaker 5: But I don't know, man, Like I understand Morob's a

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Speaker 5: real tricky matchup, but Sean just to me, I just

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Speaker 5: still think in the court of public opinion, it's not

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Speaker 5: iliot to Poitier is everybody's cup of tea. And I

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Speaker 5: still feel like, you know, what's the betting line on

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Speaker 5: till Poorio Holloway. I just feel like Illio gets a

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Speaker 5: different level of respect than Sean for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll also say this is that O'Malley does a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal job of really maximizing that link. He does it

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Speaker 1: not only with the long range weapons that he uses,

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Speaker 1: but his footwork is very, very good, and he does

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Speaker 1: of the proper range. If you're not the proper range

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Speaker 1: implement that. And I think that's what it's going to

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Speaker 1: come down to. O'Malley, I thought did a great job

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Speaker 1: against Aljo for the majority of that fight. What we

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Speaker 1: showed that he can do that. And Aljo is not

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Speaker 1: a little guy like Morob and aljos huge, so I

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Speaker 1: think that was a great prep in a lot of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would assume we have the thirty foot octagon

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Speaker 5: at sphere, but you just never know. With all the

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Speaker 5: patentry that is planned. I find it very interesting. We'll

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Speaker 5: see how it goes down. And obviously there will be

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Speaker 5: a heavy morob focus on this program for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 5: So Alex pa Data and his ability to move back

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Speaker 5: I know we got to get to Kyo, Bohoalio and

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Speaker 5: three wide now and welcome on the star of the program.

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Speaker 5: Today's Ray Longo Minutes is presented by DraftKings. Say tuned

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Speaker 5: because you hear more about Draft Kings and all has

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Speaker 5: Raymond Peter Longo. It's good to see on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: How are we feeling?

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Speaker 4: No, how you feel it? In a better most week?

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Speaker 4: Are we back?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're back. And I guess I should take this

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Speaker 5: time to apologize to absolutely fucking nobody. No, I want

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Speaker 4: Every bit of it chewing gum was he.

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Speaker 5: So, I you know, in most aspects of my life,

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Speaker 5: Jay just said there was nothing gentlemanly whatsoever about the

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Speaker 1: Listen, I take no offense to it. I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: You run it, Kenny, your hat, straighten it out.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Ray, It's great to see you. I know

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Speaker 2: As you come on, the people want this, of course, right,

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Speaker 1: Ray looks like he's talking to us from an eighties

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Speaker 1: video game. What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Is so?

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Speaker 5: I really do want to ask him about the whole

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Speaker 5: and you didn't even notice, Kenny. Yes, bye, ray bye. Good.

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Speaker 5: I can get back to all these hot button issues

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Speaker 5: we'll see what happens with Khalil Rownstree Junior. It's not

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Speaker 4: Do you see how unbeb I don't even think it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably the wrong word. Well, we have a

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Speaker 1: Tepper Tantrum wasn't a so hey, we do have a

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Speaker 2: Could just say thank you for and then I say

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Speaker 2: thank you, thanks for shouting the kudo again.

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Speaker 4: I mean you really good hearted, really are thank you.

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Speaker 5: I want to get.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so you could beat on why when you

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Speaker 5: I love you for saying that. I appreciate that. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna need you to switch to your cellular telephone. Wow, okay,

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Speaker 5: we texted you the link, right, so switch to your phone.

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Speaker 5: We're live. You're kind of sabotaging the show with your connection,

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Speaker 5: what he was saying, ken Flow is that I keep

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Speaker 5: this is why you got to be very careful going live,

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Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen. See, oh why do you go live

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Speaker 5: to tape? Why do you can it for ten hours?

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Speaker 5: Because we don't like you guys to have to deal

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Speaker 3: I love my mother, but she always had a problem

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Speaker 5: I mean she did have a problem or didn't. Oh well, Cody,

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Speaker 3: What is going man? You guys to me, I can't

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Speaker 5: Kyo Bo hooalo, can we do that?

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Speaker 5: What a great fight, what an absolutely great fight this was,

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Speaker 5: And just buckets of respect for Jared Cannoneer in defeat.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of different angles on this, but Raymond,

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, Nerds, whatever they're doing, man, it's working.

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Speaker 3: They they far. I don't think they get enough credit

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Speaker 2: But yeah, what a great fight, what a great great

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Speaker 2: So I think it was a big fight for him

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Speaker 3: They were he was up three.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know, you weren't really sure, but this he

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kenny, It's just a lot of loud strikes on

433
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Speaker 5: both sides. Right. I felt like a very soft individual

434
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Speaker 5: watching just all the violence. Just a great main event,

435
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, I think for Bohalio, obviously his

436
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 5: face is shut, but I think it's a hugely useful

437
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Speaker 5: experience as well moving forward.

438
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Speaker 1: This was his initiation into being labeled elite in my opinion,

439
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: not only the fact that he beat someone like Jared Kennaneer,

440
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: but the way it went down. Now, I don't agree

441
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Speaker 1: with the judging, the judges scorecards. The way I had it,

442
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: it was two two heading into the fifth, right. So

443
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: to have that and be in that situation for the

444
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: first time in a and in your first main event

445
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: five rounder in the UFC, and to pull it off

446
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: against a tough ass veteran like Jared cannoneer, dude, that

447
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: proved to me he is elite. I can get behind that.

448
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: That dude like that, that is a guy who can

449
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: also do it all, and he did it largely in

450
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Speaker 1: Jared Cannoneer's realm. He did it with the striking well

451
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Speaker 1: Hoveial could have taken him down, he could have, you know,

452
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: and he did. There was a couple of but he

453
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Speaker 1: the majority of that fight was in Cannoneer's realm and

454
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to do that and

455
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: outstrike him like he did and at such a critical

456
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: moment in that fight shows he's a gamer and he's

457
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: ready for brighter lights.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one other thing, even if it

459
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: was the decision, I'm still a dream, Kenny said, Like,

460
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: even if it went to a decision and he still

461
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: proved this is where he belongs, because it would have

462
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Speaker 2: been more of a judge's error. I'm saying like it

463
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Speaker 2: might and it could have. Who knows what happens with it.

464
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: But either way, how he handled himself. You know when

465
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: they kind of near to go forward, you know, the

466
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: other guy really wasn't letting them with him back again.

467
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Speaker 3: So it was a battle of wills also, and that's

468
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Speaker 3: what I love about it.

469
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Speaker 2: I think that kid stayed calm, cool and collective under

470
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure because like John, you like you said,

471
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: you could hear those punches by his head.

472
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Speaker 3: Those are heavy shots. Man, it's hard.

473
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Speaker 5: So cannon Ear came to fight Kenny, right is a

474
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 5: forty year old man who is cut from a rock,

475
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 5: who made a quick turn to try to redirect this

476
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 5: thing back to the title right after the loss recently

477
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Speaker 5: in Louisville to Noasordina Mabou Louisville. I should say so.

478
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 5: I just have so much respect for him and defeat

479
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 5: and it was very much competitive until the end, you know.

480
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 5: So in terms of Kyle Bohoalio's future, Kendy, I mean,

481
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Speaker 5: I like the call out. I love his ability to

482
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Speaker 5: speak on a microphone in his second language. Right, I

483
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 5: don't think you need to waste your time calling out

484
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 5: a contender type, especially given this middleweight pecking order right now.

485
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Speaker 5: But man, it's like this guy's competitive. I feel like

486
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 5: against all these elite middleweights. I mean you talked about

487
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Speaker 5: sort of the fraternity initiation nature of it. I mean,

488
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Speaker 5: how do you handicap him moving forward against some of

489
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Speaker 5: these divisional elites.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's certainly top five, certain problem top three

491
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: now at this standpoint, you know, I think that the

492
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: middleweight division of the UFC has never been better. This

493
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: is the most competitive it has ever been. Boholio just

494
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: added some more interest to that division for me, and

495
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it gets the attention that it deserves,

496
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: to be honest, you know, like like it should. And

497
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Speaker 1: I know we just had a great middleweight fight between

498
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: Drikis and and Iszy, but there's other very good fighters

499
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: in that division who could test for that belt, and

500
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Speaker 1: Boholio made things more interesting. I think he's a guy

501
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: that people can get behind. What was most impressive to

502
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: me is when they did the face off in the cage.

503
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how big Bullholiu is. Like his head,

504
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: his neck, his bols, his formth how the hell is

505
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: he bigger than Cannoneer who used to fight it heavyweight dude,

506
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Speaker 1: Like I do. I know Kennon here wasn't a huge headweight,

507
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: but my goodness, Boholio is a monster in that division. Yeah,

508
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: he looks massive.

509
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Speaker 3: We a great point. I totally agree.

510
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: I feel like, if if I could I survive one minute,

511
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: and I'm talking straight fatality, right, like when you talk

512
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 5: about his size and just like his feet, I think about,

513
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 5: like if this view was just kicking me in the

514
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 5: head for a minute, if you just lock me in

515
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: a steel cage with this guy for like sixty seconds

516
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 5: and he can just unload headkicks. Get my cremation chamber ready. Yeah, yeah,

517
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 5: it's hard.

518
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: Look like a damn mini refrigerator.

519
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: Like its great, same page. So uh ray, in the

520
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 5: nature of time, I have a few other things that

521
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: I want to get into. You know, sometimes I wonder

522
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Speaker 5: do we talk Gerald Mershard doing it again? Or do

523
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: we talk tab at the Reaching Moving six and two,

524
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 5: or do we talk your formal former pupil, Dennis Bezukia,

525
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: because I have morob stuff as well. So I don't

526
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 5: know what you want to talk about. But I'm very

527
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 5: sensitive to the start of the show, so I'll.

528
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Speaker 3: Go go wherever your heart leads you.

529
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: Well, So, dude, Gerald Merchard, I mean, as the president

530
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: of Team Florian, we don't want these guys to start

531
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: racking up submissions, but most submissions and you have see

532
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 5: history Charles Olivera sixteen, Jim Miller twelve and with eleven,

533
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 5: Damien Maya and Gerald Merchard, who is now the most

534
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 5: decorated finisher in UFC Middleway history, right.

535
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: And I have a total man that was go those fights,

536
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: Those are the fights that you really love when a

537
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: guy comes from behind and he's on the brink.

538
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: And again, so who was repping that fight?

539
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: He's asking me about referees on a Sunday morning.

540
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: No, I was who was repping that fight?

541
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: Really did a good job because it just was about

542
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: to get he would move into an otion and just

543
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: about the survived and me got to finish. Pads off

544
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: to that guy. GM three are amazing, amazing now, really believable. Man. Actually,

545
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: I like the GM three is easy. You could remember

546
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: kyell ob A. Yeah, yeah, right, I'm saying that. I

547
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: am saying that on Sunday.

548
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 5: More well, through your connection, it sounds fabulous, Ken Flow.

549
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: Another name that always gets butchered is Gerald Merschhardt. There's

550
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: two sides of this. There's the Edmund Schabazi inside of

551
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 5: this as well. And you do see at the highest

552
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 5: level guys who don't force finishes ever, ever, ever. And

553
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: not to be suggestive that he was doing that, but

554
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: there's just a whole fight in fight management thing and

555
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: I don't know that he saw that just yet.

556
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody Marrow saying it was Mark Smith. Mark Smith

557
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal rate. Sorry, yeah, classic, yeah, very very

558
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: good listen. I think both played a part in this right.

559
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: First of all, Mershart wouldn't be able to get the

560
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: finish if he didn't have the submission skills in experience, right,

561
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: So there's no question about that. He came to fight.

562
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: He could have checked out of that fight a lot

563
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: earlier he did not. That's a tough sob but you

564
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: kind of have to question Edmund Schabasian's decision making in

565
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: that fight as well, where you know, he both when

566
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to finish didn't and then at

567
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: certain points when he needed to kind of like avoid engagement,

568
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: he didn't like he kept coming forward when he shouldn't.

569
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it must have been very frustrating,

570
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: or I would have been very frustrated if I was

571
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: the coach in that role because he is so talented.

572
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Shabazian is a very talented fighter, but some of the

573
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: decisions he makes in real time can be very frustrating

574
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: to watch and merchhard. If you give him an opportunity,

575
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: he's going to take it home with him, and that's

576
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. Showed what kind of fighter he is,

577
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: show the heart that he has because I think a

578
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: lot of lesser fighters would have probably folded to the

579
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: pressure and the striking of Shabazian. So that was awesome man.

580
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: And we talked about this. I mean, Merchart was absolutely

581
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: capable of doing, capable of yes, and he pulled it off.

582
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: To Kenny's point, like why would you The only way

583
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: he could probably the fight is on the floor.

584
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: There were times you could have probably back there and

585
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: stood up.

586
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: He's just you see it over and over again. Maybe

587
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: because the heat of the moment, they just get lost.

588
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: As a when you're coaching on the outside, gets chaos

589
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: because most of the times you just screenhand up and

590
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: some guys respond.

591
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: Guys don't. But he's gonna figure that out.

592
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: You know What's what's a little frustrated. I'm not trying to,

593
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, crap on Shabbasi. And because I do like

594
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: him as a fighter, he has got so much potential.

595
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: That's what makes it so frustrating. If he didn't have

596
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: the talent, It's like, Okay, well he just did this

597
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: isn't his This isn't like within three fights of his career.

598
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: He's had a bunch of fights now under his spell.

599
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: So I was expecting him to like Okay, those kind

600
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: of past decisions are kind of behind him now. I

601
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: think now he's coming into his own but they kind

602
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: of came back to haunt him a little bit. So

603
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: that was a little frustrating.

604
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: I think to yeah, no, it's like we don't really

605
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: know him right on TV. Maybe you talk to him

606
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: ten minutes and you go, oh, I get it now,

607
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: I can get what you're doing. What you don't really know,

608
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like everybody, everything different on

609
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: the outside. Some people look normal than some people don't

610
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: look normally. It's just something on there though that isn't

611
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: isn't registering though, and it's not taking a sham with you.

612
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: It's just like an observision. He had to fight one.

613
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: He could have won that fight. That's it's it's good.

614
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well, speaking to k not good your connection,

615
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: but a lot of the people chiming in think it's endearing.

616
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: Brandon Lawyer says he'd rather see a pixelated and robotic

617
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: Ray Longo than no Ray Longo at all. But in

618
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: the nature of the connection, I'm going to get you

619
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: out of here on this. I'm going to table the

620
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: rob stuff until next week so that we can see

621
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: your handsome face. So did you watch Francis Marshall and

622
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: Dennis Bezukia. Obviously Dennis was supposed to fight somebody else,

623
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, he got all he could from

624
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: Francis Marshall. Marshall wins by split decision. You know, uh,

625
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 5: you know, Buzukia, I think in some part can thank

626
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: Domina Cruz for the fact that Keith Peterson allowed him

627
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 5: to fight on when I thought there was a time,

628
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 5: I'm serious that this fight could have been stopped. But

629
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 5: any thoughts on on Bozukia in defeat before we get

630
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: you on out of here.

631
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: He showed he I think he showed a lot of

632
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: heart coming back for you know, that early knockdown, Like

633
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: you say, I think he really I don't know if

634
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: you know, it should have been stopped, but he recovered okay,

635
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: and he was able to forward. Made it a close,

636
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: close fight, close fight, you know, he came back at

637
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: the end of the second.

638
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: Round, then the third. You know, I don't know, but uh.

639
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: You know, he I thought it was a great fight

640
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: for so He's been calling for that guy for a while.

641
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was like to me, it was like

642
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: a really region old fight, you know what I mean,

643
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: a Jersey, Staten Island or New York. But I think

644
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: a close fight there should be a lot of takeaways

645
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: from see where he goes.

646
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Speaker 3: I mean he could have. I don't know if he

647
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Speaker 3: awarded that loss.

648
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Speaker 5: But yeah, we'll all right in thirty seconds, we're going

649
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: to table the actual martial arts stuff until next week.

650
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: But you and I both know Morob can glue his

651
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Speaker 5: face shut even if the cut is massive. But can't

652
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Speaker 5: you understand why maybe as a promoter, right, I mean,

653
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Speaker 5: I know we're in the content creation business, right, but

654
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: can you understand why maybe a promoter wouldn't necessarily want

655
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Speaker 5: his number one contender to you know, be be posting

656
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Speaker 5: about a cut a couple of weeks out from a

657
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 5: title fight or what? Did he have any thoughts on that?

658
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Speaker 2: I mean, my thoughts are this one. I agree with that. Look,

659
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm not the guy. You know, we're living in a

660
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: world everybody the phone, that the moves, it's it's just

661
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: that's where Look, I didn't like Dobby's look at old school.

662
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: I don't like it. They would time.

663
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: Things have changed now, but they wouldn't even let anybody

664
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Speaker 2: want your sporing session anybody. I would never ever do that.

665
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: I think Morob's point is, here's where let me just

666
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: defending it because I really don't like you to tik bolt,

667
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: I mean bullship within.

668
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Speaker 3: I don't like it.

669
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, I can't even speak nod.

670
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: But but the point to Rob's point, his point, I'm

671
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: getting punched in the face.

672
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Speaker 3: Way to cut the I'm gonna.

673
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 5: Go through it.

674
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: It's not like it was where you could target something

675
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: in the fight. I don't know if the cut will end.

676
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, that wouldn't be there, you know what I'm saying,

677
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: Like if it was a shoaled knee, where I think

678
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: it would have been complete. A cut to Morob is nothing,

679
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: that's not that's a non issue.

680
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: He's going to get hitting. That knows that he's gonna get.

681
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: So what's what's the problem.

682
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: He knows there's a cut, he's gonna Now, we'll say,

683
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: for a certain part of my head, I don't think

684
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean, that's what it is.

685
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: But I if you're asking me about look, I'm not

686
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't like the of.

687
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: Course, I just don't.

688
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: You know, No, I get I agree with Danner and

689
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Dana's more of an old comes probably from this evil

690
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: with boxing you of an injury or anything, you know

691
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like those sparring sessions the closed door

692
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: he's walking around you don't even know you make times

693
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: I have from videotape and sparring like it's like you

694
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: gotta be an idiot, you know. It's the world we're

695
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: living in. It's all they do. So it's like almost

696
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: it's like a habit, you know what I mean. We're

697
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: in a habit and that teen you've seen that guy

698
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: he jumps into a lake frow.

699
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, bones busting out of his popping into the e

700
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: that's what he does.

701
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: Yeh know, he's out of his mind right. He is

702
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: truly one of one, and that's why I actually think

703
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 5: I say content creation. And yet for a Rob Kenny,

704
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 5: it's almost like this is just who he is, Like,

705
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 5: oh yeah, you can pass the medical right and his

706
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 5: fibula isn't in two pieces. Ray, we gotta let you go.

707
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 5: We love you. The Ray Long Go minute is a

708
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: central part of this program. But I cannot take your

709
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 5: connection any longer. So have a great rest of your

710
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 5: Sunday and we'll figure it out for h for Labor Day.

711
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: You guys sound great, You're saying I don't sound good

712
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: on the other.

713
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: Right, Kenny, have a great day and a better evening

714
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 5: every week here on the Anakinformed podcast, Cody writes in

715
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: our private chat Ray complaining about kids these days as

716
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: his WiFi fails. Ray longgo minute. Hopefully we could do

717
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: a deep dive as to uh phenomenal. That's Sunday sabotage Kenny.

718
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 5: In terms of the cup though, right, Morob truly is

719
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: one of one. He is not. His Instagram is so

720
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: fucking good it doesn't even matter. He's not trying desperately

721
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: to you know, attention longer. Right, It's just I can

722
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: understand why for Dana. It's just there's just no need

723
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: for that to be part of the narrative. And again,

724
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: here are you and me talking about that instead of

725
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 5: the martial arts.

726
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I agree. I think that Morob is authentic.

727
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: That's just who he is. I don't think he's trying

728
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: to gain any attention there. I think he's just kind

729
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: of posting it as funny, like the dude is a juggernaut.

730
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't care. He's gonna fight no matter what. I

731
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: think where it gets tricky though, is like, gosh, I

732
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: hope this doesn't happen. But if O'Malley lands a shot

733
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: and there's a cut and the bleeding can't stop and

734
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: it's in a bad spot and you know that's what

735
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: leads to the end of the fight, it's like, ah,

736
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so that's where things

737
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: get tricky, I think. And I don't know if that's

738
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: exactly where Dane is coming from, but you don't want

739
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: to have any of that or any potential commissioner come

740
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: in and go, hey, wait a second, we got to

741
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: inspect his cut, and then they're looking to do it

742
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and say, now the fight's off like that. That's where

743
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: as a promoter it could be extremely frustrating right there.

744
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't has gone into this.

745
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a backup. Umar nrmago Metov is

746
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: going to be next, and you can be sure that

747
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: they're not going to do O'Malley nirmago Metov on short

748
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: notice and Umar is not interested in your whatever money

749
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: to make weight. That is just a pure speculation on

750
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: my behalf. A couple other things I would like to

751
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: get to. We are going to be joined by UFC

752
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: featherweight Damon Jackson here in about five minutes, and very

753
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 5: interested to get his thoughts on that Cepe Modeskal fight,

754
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 5: especially just because Damon had posted about how good a

755
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 5: place he was in going into that particular competition, the

756
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 5: weight miss. There's just a lot that I want to

757
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 5: unpack there. But Michael Morales fought on the main card

758
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 5: this weekend, and I would take issue with some sort

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 5: of broadcast headline that maybe was derived from UFC dot com,

760
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: maybe that Michael moralesis is under the radar those who

761
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: know no right. And he did to Neil Magnie what

762
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 5: a lot of people have been unable to do. Not

763
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 5: just try to take Neil's ranking as maybe our friend

764
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: Phil Row and others weren't able to do, but to

765
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: take it emphatically and to announce yourself unequivocally as a

766
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: bona fide member of the Welschway top fifteen. Those numbers

767
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 5: are hard to attain his fifty five and seventy, and

768
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Speaker 5: Ecuador's Michael Morales has a number and the betting line

769
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 5: is but one lens. But I don't think a lot

770
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 5: of people are surprised this dude's almost minus one thousand,

771
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: and needless to say, he helped serve.

772
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he sure did, and he did it. You know,

773
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Speaker 1: I thought he was in control on this striking, but

774
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: then Magni swung things in his favor when he was

775
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: working on a back take there from the standing position

776
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: up against the cage, and very few people can kind

777
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: of dynamically turn a situation where it wasn't going great.

778
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very effective there. Magni

779
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: has such a knack for being able to slow the

780
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: game down and making you kind of look bad at time,

781
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: and that's what he was kind of doing against Morales,

782
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Morales out of nowhere,

783
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, flips the script and lands that what spinning

784
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: elbow or forearm to the back of the head of Magni,

785
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: and the fight change in an instant Like That's how powerful,

786
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: quick and athletic this kid is, and that is something

787
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: that is always going to serve him very well as

788
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: he starts to face more elite fighters. Now, so I

789
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: think Morales proved who he is getting by Magni is

790
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: no small feat. And yeah, just look, good Man continues

791
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: to evolve and I think continues to look better. Still

792
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: needs improve his grappling, no question about that, but as

793
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: a striker, he's got a gift for sure. All Right,

794
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: we congratulate the new Ultimate Fighter winners, Ryan Loder and

795
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: Myron Santos. I believe Myron Santos might actually join us

796
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: live on the Anakin Florent podcast this Wednesday. What a

797
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: knockout that was, Kenny. I want to get your thoughts

798
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: on Baby Shark Tabata Riachi over Angela Hill. Unanimous decision

799
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: twenty nine to twenty eight times three.

800
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: That is the I had it as well. You were

801
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 5: very convicted on Tabitha in part because you really needed

802
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: a swing type of fight and you felt like this

803
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: one could be. And largely a lot of what you

804
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: said in terms of the analysis and the fast start

805
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: and the pressure dovetailed right into the fight. So what

806
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: do you have for us on Riccie making you look

807
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 5: pretty smart over the weekend?

808
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

809
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Boy, did I need that one man? Yeah, Listen, I

810
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: was pretty confident that Ricci would get off to a

811
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: very good start. She tends to be a great starter.

812
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: Angel Hill not so much. But she finishes strong and

813
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of how it played out. I

814
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: wasn't sure as to whether Ricchie would be able to

815
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: keep that pace over the course of fifteen minutes, and

816
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: I thought that she largely did that against Angela Hill.

817
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: I might give that third round to Angela Hill. However,

818
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: she was able to be effective nonetheless and keep that pace,

819
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: and that's what was most impressive. And I think these

820
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: are the kind of fights that are gonna take her

821
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: to the next level, give her that confidence and be

822
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: able to face another elite competitor, you know, and perform

823
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: very well. Angela Hill is so tough and so experienced,

824
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that she was able to pull it

825
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: off in a variety of modalities in mixed martial arts

826
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: was really impressive, whether it was the striking, the pressure,

827
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: the inside game, the takedown game. To do that against

828
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: someone like Angela Hill is extremely impressive. This was a

829
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: very big win for reaching.

830
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 5: I agree six and two in the UFC and so

831
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 5: much respect as I do for all these athletes, but

832
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 5: for Angela Hill in defeat, but for Tabitha Ricci. I

833
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 5: just think McK maynard and the UFC brass deserve a

834
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 5: lot of credit for the way they are building certain fighters,

835
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 5: and she's a good example. She's had some tough tests,

836
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: hasn't passed all of them. She is now going to

837
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 5: go to Thailand and continue to evolve and train, and

838
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 5: I just think she's a particularly good case study when

839
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 5: it comes to career development and take the right challenges

840
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 5: to test you in all the different disciplines. And this

841
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 5: was a hard test at Angela Hill. Tests is a

842
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: motherfucker to pass, and I thought she passed it with

843
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Speaker 5: flying colors. To your point live YouTube, Poulsha John continue

844
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Speaker 5: swearing on the program eighty two percent yes and climbing.

845
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 5: So I Am going to figure out exactly how to

846
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 5: approach the cussing on the program if I'm being truthful.

847
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 5: But I can't tell you how much I've censored myself

848
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 5: in the last fifteen minutes, and maybe that means it

849
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 5: is a verbal crutch more than anything else. I want

850
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 5: to get to the PFL heavyweights if I could, before

851
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 5: we're joined by Damon Jackson, because I can count on

852
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: half one hand how many times Kenny has texted me

853
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 5: out of the blue about a PFL fight. I say

854
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: that all due respect, but I'm a man of arrass.

855
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 5: That's just the fucking truth in Pjeta versus Francis and Ghana,

856
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 5: hen In Fajeta versus Francis and Ghana. This big man

857
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 5: that Francis and Ghanu is fighting is not just big,

858
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: He's very skilled, He's very confident. I don't know what

859
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 5: the betting line is. Perhaps Cody can chase that, but

860
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Speaker 5: Potentially we have a huge heavyweight fight beforehand, and I

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866
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Speaker 5: that has had me this excited in a while, you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe not since the days of Fate or Milionaco. Am

868
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Speaker 5: I missing one big one recently? Kenny? I don't know,

869
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Speaker 5: But dude, Hennan Fajita, he's live, is he not? I mean,

870
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Speaker 5: I think he's got a great chance to win. What

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Speaker 5: do you have for us on that now?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I've been saying this for a long time, especially

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Speaker 1: has been against high pressure fighters who can take him

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Speaker 1: he can do a backflip off of one leg. That's

878
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Speaker 1: how explosive he is and landed right. So this is

879
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Speaker 1: a dude who is extremely dynamic as a striker. He's

880
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Speaker 1: He continues to improve. You know, just his size alone

882
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Speaker 1: is going to be a problem. Right, You have to

883
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Speaker 1: you know he's really fast. He's coming to his own.

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Speaker 1: He knows how to use his long range now, he

886
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Speaker 1: be interesting. I'm not saying Godo can absolutely knock him out,

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Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And Gono is that powerful,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who's the comp? Who is the MMA comp to

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Speaker 5: we're not talking Travis Brown. This is a this is

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Speaker 1: I've never seen someone at this size and this athletic.

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Speaker 5: All right, so we were waiting on Damon Jackson. I

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Speaker 5: want to get into a couple of other headlines if

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Speaker 5: I could, nice to have this connection going strong. Myron Santos,

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Speaker 5: I watched this knockout probably nine times and then finally

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Speaker 5: But bro, what a way to announce yourself and gosh,

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Speaker 5: man like, I believe in both of these Ultimate Fighter

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Speaker 5: finalists given what I saw these final trophy winners. But dude,

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Speaker 1: So I hadn't followed the Ultimate Fighter, so this was

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Speaker 1: my first time watching this guy go out there and compete,

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Speaker 1: for where he's at, you know, for me right, really

982
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Speaker 1: making his UFC debut now he could be a problem

983
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: in the future. Came in in tremendous shape, very precise,

984
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: really cool exchange. It reminded me of a like a

985
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Speaker 1: and he landed with a pop. Dude, that just shut

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Speaker 1: the guy off. I mean, that was that was pretty impressive.

989
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Speaker 1: That was a nasty one.

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Speaker 5: So our Ultimate Fighter guy's not bonus eligible. I'm looking

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Speaker 5: at the bonuses. Fight of the night, Kyle Bohalio and

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Speaker 5: Morales and Gerald merschhard and I love to see the

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Speaker 5: veterans get taken care of. But I mean, if you're

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Speaker 5: made in Santos, you gotta think that's a fifty thousand

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Speaker 5: you know, I thought had to sort of deal with

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Speaker 5: some adversity, and you know, you know, I like grappling,

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Speaker 1: Dude, loader was I thought the fight was over. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this kid, he's gonna he's gonna get finished in the

1002
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: second round. He can't handle this level. He was getting

1003
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Speaker 1: out grappled. Everything was just kind of going wrong for him.

1004
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: But you know, he started off that second round and

1005
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: he had a different look in his eye, like Okay,

1006
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: I'm awake and I need to do something about this one.

1007
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: That exchange to get on top ended up getting it done. Dude.

1008
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: That was really impressive. That's a dude who has heart,

1009
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: knows how to battle back from adversity and to do

1010
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: it under the bright lights with everything at stake. That

1011
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: was cool, dude.

1012
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you saw the highlight and

1013
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 5: shout out to Zachary Reese by the way, like Cody,

1014
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 5: just book Zachary Reese on the program. Honestly, I love

1015
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 5: Zachary Reese too, like he's a tremendous problem. I like

1016
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Speaker 5: the look, I like watching him fight, But yeah, I

1017
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Speaker 5: mean Cody needs Zachary Reese's merch. Like yesterday, Kong Thong,

1018
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 5: though in the women's flyweight division, had a knockout to

1019
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 5: begin the night, right, I mean, there were pockets of

1020
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 5: this fight night that were forgettable. There were pockets that

1021
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 5: were very memorable. And this show began with an absurd

1022
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 5: knockout from a flyway newcomer in the women's division and

1023
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: let the bodies hit the floor. So that was very

1024
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 5: impressive Zachary Reese. We mentioned Francis Marshall. We mentioned I'm

1025
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 5: gonna give Damon Jackson about two more minutes before we

1026
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Speaker 5: buckle on out of here. So I mentioned the Uri

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1028
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Speaker 5: notes here in terms of his relative surprise when Khalil

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Speaker 5: I got on x this weekend from somebody who plays

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1033
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 5: went off the board last minute right on this evening

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Speaker 5: for the UFC and a lot of people who build

1035
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Speaker 5: these daily fantasy stacks. This is not my world, but

1036
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Speaker 5: it's my understanding that when a fight goes away, they

1037
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Speaker 5: maybe lose that athlete, and they're reaching out to me

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Speaker 5: You know, like when Diego Lopez was supposed to fight

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1041
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1042
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 5: then the fight sort of is no action and then

1043
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Speaker 5: maybe you lose your DFS. I got no inside information,

1044
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: you know, I'm being told, Hey, Rogan and DC are

1045
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Speaker 5: going to call the rest of this fight because we

1046
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Speaker 5: got to tell you what the fuck's going on with

1047
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Speaker 5: Dan Egay. So I can't necessarily be that guy. And

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Speaker 5: oftentimes those things really do happen last minute. So I

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Speaker 5: don't know that there's any great answer on that. I

1050
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Speaker 5: bring it up also when it comes to Khalul Rowntree Junior,

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Speaker 5: because I don't know sort of the promotional inner workings

1052
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Speaker 5: in terms of how that all comes together. I do

1053
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1054
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1055
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Speaker 5: Conor McGregor pay per view. But Khalul Rowntree Jr. Is

1056
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Speaker 5: going to be fighting Jamal Hill for number one contendership,

1057
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Speaker 5: So I don't know that we should be all that surprised.

1058
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Speaker 5: And he's going to bring his violence and his brand

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 1: Dude, absolutely, And we've talked about this so many times

1061
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Speaker 1: again how one opportunity could change your life, and this

1062
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Speaker 1: could be it for Rountree, who knows you know what

1063
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Speaker 1: I mean? Like again, you have to at least as

1064
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Speaker 1: an app fleet take it like this is my shot

1065
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Speaker 1: and there's worst matchups for him. Perera Listen, Perera is

1066
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: not an easy fight. That is obvious.

1067
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Speaker 3: Right.

1068
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Speaker 1: He's one of the best knockout artists is that we've

1069
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: seen at two hundred and five pounds. However, this is

1070
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity that he could absolutely take advantage of and

1071
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: you know he's going to be ready.

1072
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 5: For so all right, I'll get you out of here

1073
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 5: on this. So if you had to send one guy

1074
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 5: in there, right, you know, I like asking these questions.

1075
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 5: To beat Alex pedetat two hundred and five pounds, you're

1076
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 5: gonna say maga manalcolaive I would as say yes along

1077
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 5: with the rest of the world. Right, So, but if

1078
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: he's not available to you, for example, Right, we've seen

1079
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 5: Jamal Hill, We've seen Uri Prohaska, Right, who is the

1080
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: light heavyweight that you're sending in there? You can do

1081
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 5: worse than Khalil Rowntree Junior going in there trying to,

1082
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 5: like Robbie Lawler, take a man's soul. So would you

1083
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 5: send Alexander Rocket in there over Khalil Rowntree Junior to

1084
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 5: save a fucking dingo's life? Right, Like, I just forget

1085
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 5: what the betting odds tell you, forget what Jael sun

1086
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 5: And tells you hyperbolically. Right, He's going to go in

1087
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 5: there and try to knock out alex Pedade and round

1088
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 5: one is going to be pretty fun, and round two

1089
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 5: probably will be too.

1090
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: And just might be the faster guy out there. I

1091
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: think he probably will, Like Roundtree, speed is a damn problem,

1092
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that Pereira absolutely has to

1093
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: be ready for.

1094
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, I think we have the time zones

1095
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 5: maybe mixed up with Dave and Jackson will try to

1096
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 5: connect with him. Later this week. We are going to

1097
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 5: have an episode for you on Monday. We are also

1098
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: efforting of course the aforementioned Mad and Santos, and we'll

1099
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 5: be back with you with full throttle main event challenge

1100
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 5: and place your bets for UFC Fight night, Burns Versus Brady.

1101
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: Welterweight division is in a great place. We mentioned ecuadors

1102
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: Michael Morales and we'll see who emerges as top flight

1103
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 5: contender there with Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns. Thanks to

1104
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 5: everybody for indulging us live. Let us know if you

1105
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 5: prefer the live stuff as early as we can get

1106
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 5: you to the content, knowing that maybe the Wi fi

1107
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: might abandon some of us on given days, or if

1108
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 5: you'd rather wait twelve hours and have the cleaner version

1109
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 5: that Cody can clean up. That's a serious question. Also,

1110
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 5: feel like I should probe you on the swearing, but

1111
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 5: uh dj hey, we got him. What's up my man?

1112
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 5: I can't hear him. I can't hear them. But stars

1113
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 5: and stripes, I like serious stars and stripes. What's up

1114
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 5: A man? There we go, man, How are you doing good?

1115
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 5: We're doing well, man. We appreciate the time. How's your

1116
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 5: Sunday going.

1117
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 7: I just got down with open mast, so I just

1118
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 7: sit from ten to twelve every day, I open my

1119
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 7: gum and man, we do like crafte or meet some

1120
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 7: people's far whatever.

1121
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of kids today, So.

1122
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 5: Well, dude, it's good to have you for a quarter

1123
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 5: of an hour. And uh, your Instagram video was what

1124
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 5: compelled me to book you, however long it took me

1125
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: to get you on the show. But obviously you're coming

1126
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 5: off a fight against Chepe Modeskal, which was just on

1127
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 5: August tenth. But I did a deep dive on your

1128
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 5: entire career this morning, so I'm gonna go back before

1129
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 5: we go forward. So July eighteenth, twenty fourteenth, you submitted

1130
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 5: Leonard Garcia, you're nine to oh, you win the Legacy

1131
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 5: FC title, and then a short notice call comes in

1132
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 5: sometime thereafter to fight Yancy Maderis and your UFC debut.

1133
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 5: So at that point in time, I'd imagine nine to oho,

1134
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 5: you feel like you're on the cusp and whether it's

1135
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 5: short notice or otherwise, that the next fight is going

1136
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 5: to be in the big show or no.

1137
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 7: Honestly, man, I was every day I was thinking Dana

1138
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 7: was going to be at my gym saying, hey, you're

1139
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 7: signed to the DFC, Like, let's go or whatever, Like

1140
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 7: I literally every like in my head, I was like

1141
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 7: a child. So it was just kind of like a

1142
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 7: matter of time, I thought, you know, just I was

1143
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 7: very consistent. I thought like nine times in a year

1144
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 7: and a half, like when I went from the amateur

1145
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 7: like as soon as I as soon as I graduated college,

1146
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 7: I literally went pro the second week of summer and

1147
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 7: I didn't stop until I made at the UFC, And

1148
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 7: that was my goal from the beginning. I think it

1149
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 7: was just kind of things when you set out a goal,

1150
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 7: you want to get to a certain place, and you

1151
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 7: don't really know what it takes to get there and

1152
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 7: stay there. So I wasn't ready for sure, but you know,

1153
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 7: no one's gonna bring that down.

1154
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, This stretch from September twenty twelve to February

1155
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen absolutely insane as I look back on it.

1156
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: So in terms of since you mentioned at the college

1157
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 5: stuff All American Wrestler Missouri Valley College, you took fifth

1158
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 5: place at Nationals, what was your best wrestling memory or two?

1159
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: And you can go as far back as you want to,

1160
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 5: but what was your best wrestling moment?

1161
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 7: One of my favorite things that no one really knows about.

1162
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 7: We had a we had a Pride run, and so

1163
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 7: basically every year we have our preseason and at the

1164
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 7: end of preseason, we don't do it. They don't do

1165
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 7: it anymore, I think. But basically we did this thing

1166
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 7: where you won. You run one mile around around our

1167
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 7: campus and then the next mile you have to pick

1168
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 7: up a forty five pound plate and carry it on

1169
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 7: your back. And I did twenty six, so I have

1170
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 7: the record. And the record was like it was eighteen

1171
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 7: and the guy that got eighteen, he had a sandbag

1172
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 7: over his shoulder. He didn't even have the freaking plate.

1173
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 7: Oh it wasn't even it wasn't even real record. But

1174
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 7: I did twenty six so I could say I did

1175
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 7: a thon.

1176
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: Dude, I mean, yeah, that's not that. That is not

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01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 5: I'm glad I asked the question. It doesn't Tim Kennedy

1178
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 5: suggest that I need to be able to like pick

1179
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: up a child in both of my arms and run

1180
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 5: like three miles. I can't.

1181
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 7: I mean, your father you had to think about the

1182
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 7: craziest crazy like I mean, especially these days now, it's

1183
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 7: like you got to be prepared for that, you know,

1184
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 7: chaotic zombie. Oh no, something's coming, I'm sure.

1185
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 5: So let's go to the Chepez Modescal fight if we could,

1186
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 5: and everything that encompassed that fight week and there was

1187
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 5: the weight miss there was the fight itself. There was

1188
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 5: all the patented heart and toughness we've come to expect

1189
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 5: from you. But it seems like the preparation for this

1190
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 5: fight had you feeling like you were the best featherweight

1191
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 5: in the world and then your apponent misses by a mile.

1192
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 5: So take us back a couple of weeks, if you would.

1193
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, like, like it's crazy. You know, everybody's like, oh,

1194
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 7: this is the best camp I had. This is like

1195
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 7: you know where everybody says the same shit over and over,

1196
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 7: and it's like for me, this was like, you know,

1197
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 7: just as a business owner, as a father, as like

1198
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 7: you know, a professional, Like with everything I've done and

1199
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 7: coaching and everything, it's like, this is the best camp

1200
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 7: that I put in for myself. Like I was very

1201
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 7: selfish as camp. I like took time apart. I was like,

1202
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 7: you know, very focused on my nutrition, focus on my sleepings.

1203
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 7: I was focused on my recovery. I see every day

1204
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 7: doing everything that I don't get to do all the

1205
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 7: time that I really took some time that I had

1206
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 7: people covering classes for me. I had, you know, things

1207
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 7: that I've never taken off. I was taking off and

1208
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 7: I was making sure I was at every practice, you know, drilling,

1209
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 7: doing everything. And you know, I've still kept that up

1210
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 7: even since that this fight. But you know, like as

1211
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 7: big of a weight miss as he had, I think

1212
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 7: that the preparation and doing everything I've done, it's just

1213
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 7: it's shown me that that you know, I weigh one

1214
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 7: seventy five, so like me, cutting down the featheruet is

1215
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 7: not easy and it's a big cut, and it's like

1216
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 7: it's kind of like life changing for me because I

1217
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 7: basically I'm in the calorie depth sit four days a week.

1218
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 7: This is outside of training, outside of training camps. I'm

1219
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 7: in a calorie deficit four days a week just to

1220
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 7: keep my weight low enough to where I can cut

1221
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 7: down to featherweight. And you know, training on that is

1222
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 7: is so hard and the recovery it makes it so

1223
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 7: much harder when when you're not getting you know, sufficient

1224
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 7: calories and you know, I've just noticed that. You know,

1225
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 7: it could be an age thing because you know, I

1226
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 7: am thirty six, but it could be that or it

1227
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 7: could just be that I've cut that weight so many times,

1228
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 7: and you know, I really went all out with this

1229
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 7: this camp, with my nutrition, and I had my weight low.

1230
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 7: I was like ready to go. I had a great cut, honestly,

1231
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 7: Like the last four or five pounds was not as

1232
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 7: bad as it normally is. Normally normally it's like death.

1233
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 7: Like it literally feels like I'm done out. And and

1234
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 7: this time, you know, like I said, I did my

1235
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 7: last four pounds. I did it in my hotel.

1236
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 3: To me, I did.

1237
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 7: I did a run on the treadmill just to get

1238
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 7: warmed up, which is crazy. I was running at like

1239
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 7: when I was one forty nine. I was still running

1240
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 7: and which is normally I don't do that, and I can't.

1241
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 7: And you know, then I get in the sauna, the

1242
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 7: little small box on it, I'm watching ridiculousness, watching TV

1243
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,959
Speaker 7: and uh, just chilling and cut the weight. Went to bed.

1244
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 7: I didn't see that. I went to bed, and I

1245
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 7: got a text of like, you know, like three or

1246
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 7: four am, and he's like, hey, Jason's like, hey, Champion's miss.

1247
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 7: I'm like, bro, I'm already at weight. We could have

1248
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 7: did catchwaight. I would have been like gold, you know,

1249
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 7: and then we missed weight. But I think that the

1250
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 7: weight class is just not it's not for me anymore.

1251
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 7: I can't figure out how to get down there safely.

1252
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 7: So I think it's time for me to go up

1253
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 7: to white wait and enjoy my life a little bit.

1254
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 7: So that's kind of that's my goal right now.

1255
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: So that that was my next question. Man, whether you're

1256
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: going to go off to light weight now.

1257
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, shredded. I'm sure, like shredded at seventy five. Bro,

1258
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm like, it's weigh one seventy five. It's

1259
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 7: not on a light like light weeight. Yes, I'm one

1260
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 7: hundred percent light weight. If I if I gained another

1261
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 7: five pounds, I'll be just big as any of those guys.

1262
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 7: So you know, she's frustrated because like I lose my size,

1263
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 7: I lose my strength, I lose my endurance, I lose

1264
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 7: my man focus. I do all these things just to

1265
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 7: make the weight cut, and the way cut is like

1266
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 7: a hundred times worse than the fight. I could fight.

1267
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 7: Every day I do, like I do rounds every day,

1268
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 7: I aspar I wrestle, I grapple, I do everything every

1269
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 7: day and like I have energy through the roof all

1270
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 7: the time. And I'm like, and I cut the weight.

1271
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 7: I'm like, so you're at.

1272
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: Your gym right now, so you did you say?

1273
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 5: Just with that?

1274
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: Is it? It's a seven is it's a seven day

1275
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: a week thing for you. You're your training.

1276
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 7: I'll take a day off, like I take a day off.

1277
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 7: It's usually like a like a like a run, and

1278
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 7: I don't. I do take days off every once in

1279
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 7: a while. After my fight, I took I took that

1280
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 7: Sunday off and Monday I had to. I slept the

1281
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 7: entire day Monday. My body just like Max, it was

1282
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 7: like it just hit a wall and I was like done.

1283
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 7: And it's so frustrating because I was so prepared and then,

1284
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 7: you know, to go out there and my body react

1285
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 7: like that. It's just so frustrating. His way to I

1286
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 7: felt the weight, like I don't know how way he weighed,

1287
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 7: but I felt the freaking way. Man. He was pressing

1288
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 7: on me on the cage and I was like trying

1289
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 7: to lock my hands around him like in the clinch,

1290
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 7: and you know, it was just frustrating the whole thing,

1291
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 7: whole whole performance and him, you know, just super frustrating man.

1292
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 7: And then you know, you talk about Alex your name

1293
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 7: is right before that, and that's why I think that

1294
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 7: they I think he did the way miss on purpose

1295
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 7: one hundred percent because they saw that. They saw that,

1296
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 7: like whenever Alex fight, I was like, I don't care

1297
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 7: if he miss his wad, like, you know, I don't care.

1298
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 7: So I think that they kind of I mean, I

1299
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 7: don't know, but I think that they missed weight on

1300
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 7: purpose because what's like what he lost six grand? You know,

1301
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 7: like that's it, you know, and it's just it's total bs,

1302
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 7: the whole thing, you know, outside of getting like Friday

1303
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 7: night bonus and then I get all that money, like

1304
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 7: there's no no, there's no repercussion from the missing way.

1305
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 7: I think the point should be taken away off the

1306
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 7: scorecard right after bat. I think that the fight person

1307
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 7: should be half I think that maybe they're it's like

1308
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 7: a check mark on like you know, if you miss

1309
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 7: it two or the times you're cut from the UOC,

1310
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 7: I think it's just such an advantage to not cut

1311
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 7: that last you know, a couple of pounds.

1312
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have to figure out a way to affect

1313
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 5: change somehow.

1314
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1315
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to people missing weight, right, And

1316
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 5: I think you know where I stand as far as

1317
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 5: Chepe is concerned. I think for a lot of us

1318
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 5: as fans, right, And Kenny and I had some disagreement

1319
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 5: on this, but we want to see him own it, right,

1320
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: and he seemed to after the fact at least, you know,

1321
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 5: express a lot of respect to you and your team

1322
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 5: and fordis MMA. But obviously we just don't know. And

1323
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: I do think, as I've said to you privately, I

1324
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: think that that loss is going to age well. But

1325
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 5: I guess it's neither here nor there. I guess. Big picture,

1326
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 5: I love hearing that you're never going to weigh one

1327
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 5: hundred and forty six pounds as long as you live.

1328
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: I mean, that's very exciting breaking news. But as I

1329
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 5: go through your career as I did this morning, you know,

1330
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 5: I would imagine you're pretty satisfied overall with the body

1331
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 5: of work, the very few bad losses here, tons of experience,

1332
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 5: tons of big wins, tons of finishes in all ways.

1333
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 5: I know at times it's been hard to get fights

1334
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 5: and the weight cutting and everything else, but you know,

1335
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 5: I think you should be commended for this body of work.

1336
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 5: I wonder you know where you're at as far as

1337
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 5: your overall ability to embrace what the journey has been.

1338
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 7: You know, it's definitely well. It seems like, you know,

1339
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 7: people like people around me, like, you know, just people

1340
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 7: around me always saying that they're always like trying to

1341
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 7: tell me. They're always like, man, you did this, you

1342
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 7: did this, And it's so cool since I opened my gym,

1343
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 7: because I've built this like crazy community like from Missouri

1344
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 7: to Oklahoma to Texas now and it's like from my

1345
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 7: college and from all these guys and they're starting their

1346
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 7: careers and people like. It's cool because people will remind

1347
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 7: me of things that I did and I freaking forgot

1348
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 7: all about it because it really feels, if I swear

1349
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 7: to God, it feels like I'm in seventh grade in

1350
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 7: the wrestling them. I swear every time that I come

1351
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 7: to the gym, it just puts me back in a

1352
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 7: place where I still feel like I've I feel like

1353
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 7: I've never stopped since the seventh grade. I feel like

1354
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 7: I've literally this has been my goal. This is what

1355
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 7: I wanted. This is like the direction I've went. And

1356
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 7: there's definitely been challenging times for sure, but you know,

1357
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 7: in the middle of me chasing that dream, I've also

1358
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 7: created crazy. My family is beautiful. I have four beautiful girls,

1359
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 7: and it's just like the family that I've created, and

1360
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 7: like the atmosphere and the people that I've been around

1361
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 7: are just it's so crazy to me and it's so cool,

1362
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 7: and it's it is hard to appreciate it, like while

1363
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 7: you're in the middle of it. But you know, I

1364
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 7: like being a father. I think you have the kind

1365
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 7: of every once so I'll be able to take a

1366
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 7: sit back and there, this is cool.

1367
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 4: You.

1368
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 7: I just had my kids up here and they have

1369
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 7: their friends here and they're in here grappling and showing

1370
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 7: they're showing these other kids how to play ankle tag

1371
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 7: because they've never been in my gym before. But they

1372
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 7: say the nightlists night. So it's like it's just cool

1373
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 7: to see people like, uh, these guys amateur fires going

1374
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 7: out and fighting, winning fights and then selling tickets and

1375
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 7: like getting sponsors and like I'm like I'm teaching them

1376
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 7: stuff and I'm like, oh, I forgot all about this.

1377
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 7: Like you know, with LFA, I used to sell like

1378
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 7: twenty seven grand of tickets every time I had I

1379
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 7: had that place and it was and it doesn't sound

1380
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 7: a lot, but for that venue, it was at the

1381
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 7: Bomb Factory, so it's like it only seems like three

1382
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 7: thousand people, and you know, I sold that place out

1383
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 7: every time, and just thinking about all the things like that,

1384
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 7: it's been a really cool journey. And you know, I've

1385
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 7: had some great people along with me the whole time

1386
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 7: and they're still here, so it's like, I know I'm

1387
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 7: doing the right things.

1388
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1389
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 7: It just makes me happy, and it's just so frustrating

1390
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 7: to have a performance like that because I have a

1391
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 7: lot of people that look up to me, you know,

1392
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 7: as far as like my meals. I've been coaching middle

1393
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 7: school wrestling since my daughter started wrestling, you know, so

1394
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 7: like six years. I've been coaching that in Rockwall and

1395
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 7: helping in high school a little bit, and you know,

1396
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 7: it's just like when I have those kids, I have

1397
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 7: my kids in my gym, and I have my own

1398
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 7: kids all watching my flight. To have a performance like that,

1399
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 7: it's just super frustrating, and I just want to get

1400
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 7: back in there at lightweight and be happy, healthy man

1401
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 7: like I've had. I've had six Hamburgers since my fight,

1402
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 7: which is yeah, it's so weird because I can't I.

1403
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: Could eat that.

1404
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I could eat I could I.

1405
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 7: Could eat that every day and never gain weight. And

1406
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 7: because I say very consistent at like seventy five, like

1407
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 7: seventy three to seventy five, So now that I could

1408
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 7: weigh like one eighty, that would be a good way

1409
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 7: for me and just be you know, jacked. So it's

1410
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 7: just it makes me happy to work out. I'm lifting weights,

1411
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 7: so I'm you know, I'm hitting squat with three hundred

1412
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 7: pounds and like I'm like putting on some weight on

1413
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,480
Speaker 7: my legs. So it's just good.

1414
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 5: No, it's time to enjoy life. We're all going to

1415
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 5: be dust in the not too distant future. We're here

1416
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 5: for a plank and i'd imagine at some point you'll

1417
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 5: communicate to Sean Shelby and those folks that it'll be

1418
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 5: lightweight or has that already happen?

1419
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean it was. As soon as

1420
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,480
Speaker 7: the fight was over, Sean said, hey, dude, I appreciate

1421
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 7: you stepping up and being a professional always, you know,

1422
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 7: because I took the fight with Alex and him and Chepe,

1423
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 7: and he knew I didn't have to because it was

1424
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 7: such a big miss that. He was like, yeah, just

1425
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 7: whatever you need as long as it makes sense, will

1426
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 7: make it happen, you know kind of thing. So we

1427
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 7: just talked a little bit and that was it. And

1428
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 7: you know, like I'm I first, I was kind of

1429
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 7: was going to test the waters and like go once

1430
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 7: I'm at lightweight and then go back down and chase

1431
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 7: chase that spot. But I can't do that mentally because

1432
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 7: it's like how happy I've been since I've started lifting

1433
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 7: weights and doing some more athletic things like sprints, like

1434
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 7: I mean talking to sprints with the sled. And before

1435
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, very cautious of how much

1436
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 7: weight I gained my legs because I gained so much

1437
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 7: weight in my legs. If I started lifting them at all,

1438
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 7: then I just blow up. It's crazy because I used

1439
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 7: to be I used to wrestle at once seventy four

1440
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 7: and I had to cut down to one sixty five

1441
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 7: my senior year just to you know, I pushed for

1442
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 7: just push for that all American. That's all I wanted,

1443
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 7: you know, and you know, it was just super frustrating.

1444
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 7: So to lose all that muscle because I used to

1445
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 7: be you know, jack at like one eighty three, so

1446
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 7: just you know, get give them back up a little

1447
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 7: bit makes me happy, and just I'm going to push

1448
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 7: your heart this next few fights and then I'll wrap

1449
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 7: it up for sure, but immensely I'm in no position

1450
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 7: to wrap it up. But I think just with everything

1451
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 7: that is going on, I think I'm gonna, you know,

1452
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 7: push up this next three fights with the contract and

1453
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 7: then I'll be I'll be done.

1454
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 3: Well.

1455
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 5: You never know how those three fights will shake out

1456
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 5: if you want to follow the dam and p Jackson,

1457
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 5: but you'll always have fans in us and uh, you know,

1458
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 5: just a lot of respect for the way you've handled

1459
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 5: your career and a lot of different peaks and valleys

1460
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 5: along the way, especially with what happened recently. But we

1461
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 5: wish you all the best, man. I look forward to

1462
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 5: seeing you away in at fifty six maybe before he

1463
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 5: was out man, But thank you for a few minutes,

1464
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 5: especially on a Sunday.

1465
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 7: Awesome. I appreciate you. Thank you. I see you too,

1466
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 7: Canny Man.

1467
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: Good to see hi Man.

1468
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 7: I'm big fan man, always good fans.

1469
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

1470
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 5: All right, Damon Jackson with us here on the Anakin

1471
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 5: Floring Podcast Little PTSD for Ken Flow when we talked

1472
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 5: to you know, welterweights turned lightweights turned featherweights. You know,

1473
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 5: it is just crazy.

1474
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: It is, I mean well, and it's a reminder of

1475
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: how hard guys like Damon Jackson work just to make

1476
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: the wait. Like the dude, this is his life, that

1477
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: is clear. How could you not like someone like that?

1478
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: And you know this sport is just brutal man, just

1479
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: staying at the top, being consistent, making the weight all

1480
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: the time. It's not for everybody, man, But to see

1481
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: someone like Damon doing what he loves to do, man,

1482
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty awesome.

1483
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 5: I did a podcast this week and they asked me

1484
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 5: in terms of affecting change with cutting weight, do I

1485
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 5: think mixed martial arts is going to be in a

1486
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 5: different position, you know, ten years down the line. And

1487
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 5: even though I know some companies are already going a

1488
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 5: great lengths to try to have people like to meet

1489
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 5: you Johnson fight at a more natural weight, I just

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Speaker 5: got to get on out of here. Thank you to

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Speaker 5: thanks for watching. We'll talk to you about seventy two

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Speaker 5: hours until then.

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Speaker 6: Yo, lady, Bread, he's gone bread. He's gone red.

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Speaker 1: Light this oppressious to the method.

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Speaker 6: You can't keep your hands on the bout in the open.

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Speaker 6: He's gone red. He's gone red.

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Speaker 7: He's going