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Speaker 1: Y'all.

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Speaker 2: This is a special crime round up. Nancy, Grace and

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Speaker 2: I have been in Delphi boots on the ground. Nancy, welcome,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Crime round Up. Home.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl, I'm happy to be and Yer'll learned a lot

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Speaker 3: in Delphi.

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Speaker 2: You can't hardly even explain to people what it's like,

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Speaker 2: but I know for me it's the first time in

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Speaker 2: probably thirty years, I've had to sit in court and

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Speaker 2: take notes on a legal path.

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Speaker 4: You know, I took nuts too. I think I took

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Speaker 4: about eight or nine pages in the morning session alone,

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Speaker 4: because so much was happening. I got to sit near

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Speaker 4: the families and victims. They were extremely composed, but at

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Speaker 4: certain points started crying.

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Speaker 3: It's just about my heart, Sheryl.

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Speaker 2: You know, I saw the family do something, Nancy, I've

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Speaker 2: never seen in my life. And just so people understand,

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Speaker 2: that courtroom has four rows of seats on both sides,

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Speaker 2: about nine seats per role. It's one of the smallest

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Speaker 2: courtrooms I've ever seen. But those benches are wooden.

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Speaker 1: They're hard.

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Speaker 2: The German family brought cushions for people, and Becky brought

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Speaker 2: banana bread every morning. I mean, I've never seen a

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Speaker 2: victim's family, take care of media and guest and other

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Speaker 2: experts in my life.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say I took the cushion and stayed

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Speaker 4: away from.

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Speaker 3: The banana bread.

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Speaker 1: I took both, Honey, they gave.

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Speaker 3: Me an awesome cushion. I was sitting next to Susan.

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Speaker 4: Hendrix, beside and behind family members. Let's see, there were

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Speaker 4: a lot of local media on the front row. The

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Speaker 4: judge gives them my special seat because they have been

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Speaker 4: covering this dealing for the Get Goat.

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Speaker 3: There were several YouTubers.

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Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with any of them, but they were

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Speaker 4: there diligently taking notes.

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Speaker 3: I observed.

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Speaker 4: Richard Allen's wife and I believe it was his stepfather

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Speaker 4: sitting in court. I believe the stepfather fell asleep the

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Speaker 4: other day and got reprimanded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I gotta ask you something because I

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Speaker 2: know this happened to me and Charlene, and I know

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Speaker 2: what happened to Susan Hendrix and Barbara McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Did Richard Allen look directly at you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, he did, and I was looking right back at

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Speaker 3: him too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was really a little disconcerting, But he's super aware

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Speaker 2: of who was in that courtroom.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that I didn't find.

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Speaker 3: It disconcerting at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, to me, here's what's disconcerting in our day that

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Speaker 2: would never happen. That he's able to stare down a

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Speaker 2: family that wouldn't happen. So I didn't like that part.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kelsey or Becky or any of them

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Speaker 2: should be subjected to that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I agree with you, but ope the court room

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Speaker 4: he can do if he wants to. It's just highly disrespectful, Sheryl,

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Speaker 4: would you expect anything less?

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Speaker 1: No, But let's talk about what has just come out.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday, you know they were talking about Richard Allen

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Speaker 2: said that he saw this white band and it quotes

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Speaker 2: spooked him and that's.

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Speaker 1: The reason he didn't rape them.

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Speaker 2: When you and I were talking yesterday, I could not

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Speaker 2: believe he said that, and you and I had the

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Speaker 2: same reaction. This defendant has just given us the reason

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Speaker 2: there wasn't DNA.

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Speaker 3: Because he got spooked in did not complete the rate.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: That blew my mind because all these people that are

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Speaker 2: about the white van. He might have known about the

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Speaker 2: white van, but he just gave us motive that it

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Speaker 2: was rape and the reason he didn't complete it that

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Speaker 2: wasn't in discovery that came from him.

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Speaker 4: Well, hold on just a moment, just a moment. I

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Speaker 4: recall him saying a van. I don't know that I

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Speaker 4: recall him saying a white man. I got to look

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Speaker 4: at my notes. But that said, the fact that he

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Speaker 4: raping the girls, no one else knew other than the killer,

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Speaker 4: that the property owner that would come by at at

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Speaker 4: the time, at the same time as the girls were

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Speaker 4: being killed. No one knew that he drew the van

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Speaker 1: And there's no way anybody would have known.

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Speaker 2: He got off work early that day and would have

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Speaker 3: You know another issue.

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Speaker 4: That you were bringing up that some people would argue, Well,

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Speaker 4: Richard Allen got that information through his lawyers.

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Speaker 3: During discovery. I really believe this.

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Speaker 4: Day needs to make a giant flow chart about what

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Speaker 4: he confessed to. When he confessed to it, was it

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Speaker 4: before his defense journey's got discovery And I don't know

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Speaker 4: that a neighbor coming home driving a van would have

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Speaker 4: been in discovery that is not discoverable. Information who the

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Speaker 4: neighbor is to joining the property, and what kind of

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Speaker 4: vehicle they drive is not traditional discovery. Discovery is defendant statements,

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Speaker 4: exculpatory evidence under Brady B. Maryland, science, scientific reports such

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Speaker 4: as DNA or autopsy reports, witness names, address his phone numbers.

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Speaker 4: That's all discoverable. But who owns the property and what

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Speaker 4: kind of him will they drive? It's not discoverable. So

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Speaker 4: I am not convinced that the defense had that information

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Speaker 3: And I imagine I'd.

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Speaker 4: Be willing to invent sure that he stated that before

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Speaker 4: discovery was handed over.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And just this morning I thought, Nancy Grace is

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Speaker 2: going to be doing backflips because you and I back

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Speaker 2: in the day when somebody would tell a story and

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Speaker 2: it was in chronological order that rang true. Richard Allen

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Speaker 2: told the story that he went to his parents, he

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Speaker 2: bought beer, he went home and got a jacket, He

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Speaker 2: went to the bridge, he followed the girls, he did

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Speaker 2: something with the gun, then he said down the hill.

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Speaker 2: Then he killed them because the van spooked him. Now, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: that is chronological that is factual, and he added things

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Speaker 2: we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Like fumbling with the gun and the van spookiny.

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Speaker 4: Well, as a matter of fact, Cheryl, he actually says,

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Speaker 4: I think that's when I must have.

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Speaker 3: Dropped the bullet.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: The doctor this morning, the defense witness who was over

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Speaker 2: the behavioral division said, if it is organized and there

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Speaker 2: is a chain to the story, they could be faking psychosis.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know the shrink that was up, she got

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Speaker 3: shredded on cross.

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Speaker 4: But what I found really interesting about her direct testimony.

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Speaker 4: You know, Walla wasn't that impressed with her direct testimony

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Speaker 4: because she had not prepared herself to take the stand.

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Speaker 4: The state had to direct her on multiple occasions to

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Speaker 3: But what really did impress me about her was her.

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Speaker 4: Copious notes that she took upon meeting with the defendant.

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Speaker 4: Every single time she outlined his confessions, how he repeatedly confessed,

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Speaker 4: how he asked to call his wife to tell his

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Speaker 4: that he may not see her again until he got

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Speaker 4: the electric chair, that he wanted closure by signing his

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Speaker 4: confession that he had gotten the lord behind bars and

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Speaker 4: he wanted to confess, and he said, she won't believe me,

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Speaker 4: and he called the wife again in front of the shrink.

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Speaker 4: The strength had given him privacy during the first conversation

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Speaker 4: and the strain heard him confess again to the white

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Speaker 4: and that is when the wife said, stop saying that,

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Speaker 4: Richard Allen starts eating paper, drinking out of the toilet,

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Speaker 3: Head on the wall, and play with his pood.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I'm not a shrink, but I don't

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Speaker 4: need a doctorate in behavioral study to know that there

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Speaker 4: was an abrupt change in his behavior. What's His wife

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Speaker 4: got to hold the lawyers and they told him to

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Speaker 4: stop talking.

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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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Speaker 2: The one person in your life you won't to think

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Speaker 2: well of you, you want to impress, you want to

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Speaker 2: love you forever is your mama.

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Speaker 1: He told her, I did it. I did it, And.

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Speaker 2: When she said you couldn't have, he said, but I did.

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Speaker 2: And then she even said to him, they're messing with you.

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Speaker 2: And he said to his mama, they're not He told

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Speaker 1: That above everybody else, he should want to.

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Speaker 2: Not give any harm to any sadness to He would

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Speaker 2: not stop telling hurry did it and name.

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Speaker 3: Them by name. I killed adving and living.

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Speaker 4: Another thing, Cheryl, that you've already noticed, I'm sure, is

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Speaker 4: that he knew in his early confessions that the bridge.

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Speaker 3: Guy had a gun. He said, I had a gun.

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Speaker 3: That's where I must have dropped a bulling. He knew

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Speaker 4: The bridge guy, the killer, had a gun. They didn't

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Speaker 4: put out the cause and mode of death, that's right.

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Speaker 4: They didn't put out there about the branches. They didn't

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Speaker 4: put out there that the girls both were stripped and

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Speaker 4: one was redressed. His confessions came before all of that

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Speaker 4: started leaking out, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would be arguing to the jury.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And what was so critical to me about him

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Speaker 2: using the word branches. If you look at the crime scene,

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Speaker 2: there are branches all over it. But that also blows

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Speaker 2: up these people that are still on the oldness train,

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Speaker 2: because there weren't sticks and twigs. He mentioned branches, and

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what you see.

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Speaker 4: I'm just so impressed by the victims family, how they

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Speaker 4: are all maintaining so much dignity in that courtroom. Ohen, Cheryl,

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Speaker 4: you know who I love.

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Speaker 3: She is as sharp as a pack. The eighty three

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Speaker 3: year old Kathy.

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Speaker 4: That is the volunteer that realized, wait a minute, wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, this is right, the case was cold. She

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Speaker 4: started me digging through the document. Okay, she saw this

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Speaker 4: document in the name Richard Allen Whiteman. She's got to

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Speaker 4: thinking and the street the road listed for where he lived.

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Speaker 4: And she's the one that figured out Richard Allen placing

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Speaker 4: it self on the bridge at the time they believe

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Speaker 4: the girls were killed. And that bold that woman had

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Speaker 4: not been in that spot at that time and noticed

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Speaker 4: that one piece of paper, Sheryl, this case would never

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Speaker 4: have been cracked.

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Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, this woman is as

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Speaker 3: sharp as attack.

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Speaker 1: I so enjoyed talking to her. And she's little, tiny, tiny, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Now I know she doesn't have a blonde hair, I

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Speaker 3: know that, but she wry at me.

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Speaker 4: Doris Day in her later years, when she devoted herself

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Speaker 4: that just a spark of life out she just I thought,

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Speaker 4: I think she's amazing. Now another thing I want to

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Speaker 4: talk to you about. I like the judge also, she

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Speaker 4: rules with an iron fist.

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Speaker 3: Same ways when I looked at Richard Allen.

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Speaker 4: But then as lawyer has jumped in between us, I

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Speaker 2: There are people that are just condensed that he has

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Speaker 3: I know that, But why they hate Cheryl. I don't

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Speaker 2: They were all so much hate, Well I would I

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Speaker 3: I was wondering when we were going to get to

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Speaker 1: Was that not incredible though?

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Speaker 3: Another salad at Chipotle?

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Speaker 4: Now Jack may not to confess anything about texting while driving.

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Speaker 4: I actually did a voice control Cheryl, because there's no

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Speaker 4: And she said, and Cheryl writes back, have you ever

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Speaker 3: Of the tound wheel at Mountain Jack's. So there I go,

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Speaker 3: and it was awesome. It was awesome, and you were

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Speaker 4: Which is this frothy pink stuff and the ranch I mean,

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Speaker 3: But it was awesome. Thank you, Cheryl, you pulled me through.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: But I want people to understand, starting the night before

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Speaker 2: You're going to different places to map this once again

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how people don't get that.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what Cheryl, you know. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I just I hate to even waste my energy on

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Speaker 4: You listen to them, Cheryl McCollum, no train would ever

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Speaker 4: about Sheryl and Nancy. What don't don't they have a job. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I got there when it was still dark. I sent

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Speaker 3: But yes, I was out there in the cold.

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Speaker 4: But I don't hear what they say or what they

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Speaker 4: Screw them and the horse they rode in on that

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say too, Lavender was Libby's favorite color.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't lost all my stars.

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Speaker 3: You're so right. Also, let me just tell you. I stayed,

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Speaker 4: And it was getting to almost eleven, and I knew

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Speaker 3: Another show gets it.

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Speaker 4: At twelve, and I knew if I didn't get out there,

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Speaker 3: Susan Hendrick ran out at last minute, jumped in with me.

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Speaker 3: People don't understand it.

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Speaker 4: I don't expect them to understand it, just like I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I'm taking a beating, But so what.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to tell you I know personally

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say that out loud because I

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Speaker 2: They told me, and every single person that's got something

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Speaker 2: to say negative. My question is what have you done

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Speaker 2: you done anything for his wife? Her world got completely

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Speaker 2: the standard for what victim advocacy means. You left your children,

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Speaker 2: your family, your pets, your home. You went to Delphi

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Speaker 2: You got in that courtroom stage as long as you could,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I really do. I have to tell you.

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Speaker 4: You know me for a long time, Cheryl. I don't

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Speaker 4: is right, and if anybody else doesn't like it, and

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Speaker 4: that includes you, shut up, David.

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Speaker 3: Then I can't help that.

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Speaker 4: I am not gonna go to my grave saying I

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Speaker 4: should have. I would have, I could have, but you

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Speaker 4: know what, I fail. I'm gonna at least try it.

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Speaker 4: They don't like it again, screw them and the horse

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Speaker 2: Okay, the whole barn, the whole barn, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: take some money. We are too cute and we have

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Speaker 2: no regret. So let's just ride on. So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I am headed out of town. Your head back into town,

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Speaker 2: and I'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Well hold on, David.

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Speaker 4: He wants to be recognized for of being left to

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Speaker 2: But my mother, Okay, David, that was an oversight, and

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Speaker 2: I apologize.

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Speaker 1: Not only should I have.

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Speaker 3: Started with you, what do you think so far of

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Speaker 2: Pitiful to put your first witness up there and she's

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Speaker 2: gonna basically say, yeah, he's probably faking it because he

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind. Hey, but I have

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Speaker 1: I was so impressed with.

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Speaker 2: Every single deputy and officer in and around that courthouse.

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Speaker 2: They were kind, they were helpful, they were patient. They

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Speaker 3: Watching the clock. We've been standing out there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how long to get in, and Susan said,

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Speaker 3: And they did. They have it down to the minute.

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Speaker 3: Everything they do is to the minute.

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Speaker 4: They're so polite, not just to me, but to everybody

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Speaker 3: They were just they were just great.

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Speaker 1: Sharp, absolutely, and you know right before this happened.

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Speaker 2: There's no days off, there's no leaving early, doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: if it's a wedding, anniversary, of birthday, party, or just

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Speaker 1: None of that's happened.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is happening, but this trial in Delphi right now, Okay,

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Speaker 2: can I go to tell you something?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of birthday, I had a birthday and those sheriffs

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Speaker 3: David.

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Speaker 4: Now you know, about two years ago he gave me

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Speaker 3: Another one.

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Speaker 4: Now we get on my left hand. It's big black

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 3: They took that because they thought it might take a camera.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, if you figure out how to turn

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Speaker 4: this into a camera, great, And because you also tell

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Speaker 3: To see the time on this thing.

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Speaker 4: So now in the last three years, David has given

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, love it, love it. No, let me tell

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Speaker 2: you this that I'm going to end with this. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty one and count cherld twenty one and count right,

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Speaker 1: All right, baby, love you.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you, and don't find love you