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Speaker 1: The accused Idaho student killer, Brian Coberger, was back in

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Speaker 1: court today.

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Speaker 2: Appearing in a Moscow, Idaho courtroom for a pre trial

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Speaker 2: hearing as his lawyers prepared to defend him against four

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Speaker 2: counts of first degree murder and now the death penalty.

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Speaker 3: This is the Idaho Massacre a production of KT Studios

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Speaker 3: and iHeartRadio episode ten Building a Defense. I'm Courtney Armstrong,

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Speaker 3: a television producer at Kat's Studios, with Stephanie Lydecker, Jeff Shane,

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Speaker 3: and Connor Powell. When Brian Cobeger walked into the courtroom

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Speaker 3: on the afternoon of Tuesday, June twenty seventh, he looked different.

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Speaker 3: He carried himself differently. Flanked by his defense team Anne Taylor,

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Speaker 3: Jay Logstin and Alyssa Masseth, Coburger entered the courtroom wearing

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Speaker 3: a dark suit and tie with a white dress shirt.

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Speaker 3: His face was clean shaven, his hair styled with jel.

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Speaker 3: Gone was the bright orange prison jumpsuit that the twenty

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Speaker 3: eight year old quadruple murder suspect had worn for most

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Speaker 3: of his previous court appearances. In another world, the former

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Speaker 3: PhD criminology student looked like he could be testifying as

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Speaker 3: an expert witness for another case rather than appearing as

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Speaker 3: a murder suspect. But on June twenty seventh, Coburger, who

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Speaker 3: was accused of brutally murdering Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle,

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Speaker 3: and Nathan Chapin, was simply in the Alida County courtroom

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Speaker 3: to listen to his lawyers begin to lay out their

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Speaker 3: defense and fight to keep him from being executed.

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Speaker 4: All right, this is State of Idah O versus Brian

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Speaker 4: Koberger on mister Coberger is JIMI Corp.

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Speaker 3: In the days leading up to this much anticipated hearing,

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Speaker 3: there was speculation that Coberger's defense team would ask the

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Speaker 3: judge to force the prosecution to provide information and documents

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Speaker 3: on a wide range of topics. However, before the defense

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Speaker 3: and prosecution made their presentations to Judge John Judge, he

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Speaker 3: first addressed the issue of cameras in the courtroom. A

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Speaker 3: month earlier, Coberger's defense team had asked the judge to

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Speaker 3: remove press cameras. They worried the continued focus on Coburger

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Speaker 3: my prejudice potential jurors against Coburger at his trial, especially

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Speaker 3: as analysts legal commentators and social media influencers pick apart

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Speaker 3: Coberger's body language and every blink of his eye. Yet,

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Speaker 3: a month after the defense made the request, the judge

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Speaker 3: had not made a decision, instead opting to warn at

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Speaker 3: the start of the hearing about how the media should

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Speaker 3: conduct themselves and cover the courtroom.

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Speaker 5: I have deferred my decision about cameras. One of the

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Speaker 5: things that's going to be really important, that is very

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Speaker 5: important is that the people with the camera and media

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Speaker 5: need to follow the rules.

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Speaker 6: And we've had some issues where people were pushing the envelope,

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Speaker 6: particularly focusing on the tables where council sits. I would

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Speaker 6: prefer if you want to continue to have cameras in.

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Speaker 7: This courtroom, is to back off make sure that we

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Speaker 7: just have the totality of what is happening in the

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Speaker 7: court and not just focus, for example, on this co

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Speaker 7: River's face.

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Speaker 3: With the media warned, the hearing turned the defense's motions.

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Speaker 3: In the days leading up to this much anticipate hearing,

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Speaker 3: there was speculation that Coberger's defense team would ask the

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Speaker 3: judge to force the prosecution to provide information and documents

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Speaker 3: on a wide range of topics from the investigation into

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Speaker 3: the suspected white vehicle, to the grand jury proceedings, to

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Speaker 3: cell phone data, to the FBI's DNA records. For weeks,

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Speaker 3: Coberger's defense team had been sending signals that they were

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Speaker 3: unhappy with the slow pace that the prosecution had been

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Speaker 3: turning over key documents. Here's defense attorney and Taylor, and

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Speaker 3: during the course of.

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Speaker 8: The last several months, there has been a lot of

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Speaker 8: discovery that's been requested in a lot of business supply.

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Speaker 8: I come here asking the court to compel discovery. I'm

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Speaker 8: seeing and order directing that we received his discovery by not.

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Speaker 3: Seeing any other kind of spanking.

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Speaker 8: I don't saying that the prosecutor has done something wrong.

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Speaker 8: I've come here saying that there are things that we

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Speaker 8: have the disagreement about whether I should get them or

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Speaker 8: when I should get them, and we see it.

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Speaker 1: Co or to in this regard.

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Speaker 3: Once the hearings started, defense Attorney An Taylor limited the

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Speaker 3: scope of a request to two single topics. First, she

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Speaker 3: requested the prosecution turn over the investigative and training records

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Speaker 3: for three specific Idaho police officers.

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Speaker 8: Are one of the Courtant Council to be aware, it's

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Speaker 8: not a psiane's division either real items that are really

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Speaker 8: necessary to investigate this pace into paranis or coworker's events.

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Speaker 3: Taylor argued the defense needed more information about the criminal

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Speaker 3: investigation that led to Coberger's arrest in December of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two, and these three officers since they were at

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Speaker 3: the center of that investigation. Taylor said, one officer interviewed

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Speaker 9: You're one of these.

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Speaker 8: We have not asked for training records for every officer

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Speaker 8: that acidity thing to do with the case. I would

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Speaker 8: not want to stand here and what the court think

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Speaker 8: that this is an exhaustive list of the officers that

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Speaker 3: Training records for that.

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Speaker 8: These are three officers that we've requested or in the

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Speaker 8: stake has indicated they're not willing to get us as

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Speaker 8: training records. These three officers are officers that have each

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Speaker 8: conducted critical interviews with critical witnesses in the case, made

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Speaker 8: decisions about the interviews, made decisions about evidence, and conducted

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Speaker 8: other kinds of investigations. We seek their training records to

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Speaker 8: understand that their processes.

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Speaker 3: Taylor added that this request is not unusual, nor did

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Speaker 3: you believe it was a particularly difficult request.

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Speaker 8: I have often received training records where I under state

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Speaker 8: police officers in the correporation of other cases during the

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Speaker 8: course of my career. They are imperative for us to

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Speaker 8: understand the specialty in interrogating and interviewing people and from

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Speaker 8: making the decisions that they made with regard to things

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Speaker 3: Leida County Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings, however, responded and said

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Speaker 3: that none of these officers would be called to testify

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Speaker 3: at the trial, and that hundreds of officers worked on

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Speaker 3: the investigation that led to the arrest of Brian Kobeger.

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Speaker 3: She said she feared this motion could become a burden

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Speaker 3: for the prosecution.

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Speaker 10: Our concern with allowing training records for these view which

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Speaker 10: we can't understand why there's a substantial.

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Speaker 3: Need for these particular ones.

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Speaker 10: When it opened the door to us then having to

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Speaker 10: go and get obtained training records for these hundreds of

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Speaker 10: investing of officers who've been involved somewhat was your outside

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Speaker 10: of our controls.

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Speaker 3: Taylor pushed back on this concern and reminded the court

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Speaker 3: that Coburger was facing the death penalty and as the.

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Speaker 8: Quarter is aware, the state has fiblets to notice of intantacy, death.

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Speaker 11: Pansims of cold over.

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Speaker 8: These are critical relevant materials, all of them, including the

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Speaker 8: police training records. They're necessary for us to prepare and

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Speaker 8: present part of fancies or co worker. They're necessary for

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Speaker 8: us to do our investigation. They're necessary for us to

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Speaker 8: prepare our case and our motion tactics meaning forward.

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Speaker 5: These are things that we need to have.

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Speaker 8: They're a heightened standard now that the state's filence notice

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Speaker 8: is intent to seek death and he's a very relevant

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Speaker 8: critical bits of information. They are discoverable and were asking

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Speaker 8: for order the things applied to us to.

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Speaker 3: Judged on judge that he would consider both sides of

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Speaker 3: the argument and would issue a written decision at a

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Speaker 3: later date. After ask the court to force the prosecution

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Speaker 3: to provide the Idaho police training records, and Taylor also

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Speaker 3: asked the judge to rule on two previous requests regarding

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Speaker 3: FBI records. Taylor asked for records from the FBI's cellular

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Speaker 3: analysis survey team. The CAST team had been brought in

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Speaker 3: to help process data from Coberger's mobile phone.

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Speaker 8: These are bits an investigation that the FBI conducted that

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Speaker 8: relate to mister Coberger's cell phone and the State has

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Speaker 8: relied on that in their appidated to say that mister

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Speaker 8: Coberger was in certain places at certain times.

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Speaker 3: The original requests for FBI's cell phone data and White

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Speaker 3: Hondai vehicle information was made weeks prior.

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Speaker 8: So these are bits of information and analysis that's been

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Speaker 8: done since December.

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Speaker 11: We are now at the end of June.

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Speaker 5: We do not have those records yet.

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Speaker 8: Run they are something that's been relied on by the

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Speaker 8: well as to obtain.

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Speaker 11: A variety of search ones.

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Speaker 8: It's information that the state has agreed we should have,

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Speaker 8: so we asked support for an.

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Speaker 3: Order with the deadlines with that prosecution, however, insisted they

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Speaker 3: had turned over everything in their possession.

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Speaker 11: We have discovered or talk to me about, thirteen thousand

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Speaker 11: pages of reports, thirteen thousand photographs, over ten thousand tips,

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Speaker 11: and over fifteen one terror rites of audio and video information.

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Speaker 11: Miss Taylor has everything that we have what she is

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Speaker 11: seeking as a specific report from the theodcast team, which

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Speaker 11: I have indicated to her, is in its final stages

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Speaker 11: of review, and we are anticipating receiving sooner rather than later,

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Speaker 11: and as soon as.

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Speaker 4: We do, we will send that over.

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Speaker 3: Judge sewn. Judge ruled on the spot for the defense

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Speaker 3: and suggested the FBI documents relating to the cell phone

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Speaker 3: data and Whitehaun Dilancha vehicle information should be turned over

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Speaker 3: no later than July fourteenth. Here's Jeff and Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: Since we haven't had a substantial update on this case

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Speaker 1: in a while, there was a lot of hype for

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Speaker 1: this hearing, and while it was substantial, it didn't quite

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Speaker 1: have the same omph we thought it might.

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Speaker 12: To your point, it was extremely short, just thirty minutes.

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Speaker 12: For note, pre trial hearings can last anywhere from two

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Speaker 12: But since there was seemingly a lot to cover, this

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Speaker 1: Well, that could be because a lot of what we

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Speaker 1: thought might get brought up didn't remember. Three days after

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Speaker 1: the announcement of the indictment back in May, the defense

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Speaker 1: asked for thirty four specific pieces of information from the

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Speaker 1: grand jury proceedings, all the transcripts, recordings, and evidence, even

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Speaker 1: the jurors names. Originally, the defense request for grand jury

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Speaker 1: information was supposed to be part of the hearing on

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventh, but then it wasn't, though it does

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Speaker 1: appear that the lawyers are talking behind the scenes to

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Speaker 1: try to come up with an agreement on this issue.

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Speaker 12: The other big issue that we thought was going to

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Speaker 12: be part of the hearing, and this is a big one,

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Speaker 12: was the defense's request for the documents related to the

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Speaker 12: DNA and the FBI's effort to build out this family tree.

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Speaker 12: Like we discussed earlier, that family tree is what led

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Speaker 12: investigators to Coburger. The state ended up asking for more

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Speaker 12: time to respond in the judge granted it.

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Speaker 1: But the issue of the DNA, how it was collected,

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Speaker 1: how it was handled, and how it was used, seems

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Speaker 1: to be a growing issue and it is not going

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Speaker 1: away anytime soon.

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Speaker 9: So I believe there has to be a pre trial

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Speaker 9: hearing in terms of determining whether or not this is

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Speaker 9: good or whether it is outside the ability to say yes,

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Speaker 9: the procedure they used was proper and the eventual swab

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Speaker 9: that they used for traditional DNAs admissible. That's going to

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Speaker 9: be a serious because this is a DNA case.

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Speaker 3: Since the first time DNA was used in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: seven to convict a suspect in the United States, DNA

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Speaker 3: has played a major role in criminal investigations and in

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Speaker 3: securing convictions. While the statistical connection between the DNA taken

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Speaker 3: from the knife sheath found of the crime scene and

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Speaker 3: the DNA taken from Brian Coberger's cheek seems very straightforward

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Speaker 3: and in line with how DNA is usually used in

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Speaker 3: criminal investigations, attorney and former prosecutor Stephen Greenberg says there

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Speaker 3: could be a small chance this DNA evidence is not

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Speaker 9: It has to be a pre trial here in terms

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Speaker 9: There's a chain of custody issue, because you know, they

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in

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Speaker 9: There will have to be evidentiary hearings, see, because it's

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Speaker 3: And even if the judge allows the DNA to use

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Speaker 9: There were a universe of other people who came up

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Speaker 9: find this guy guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is DNA. However,

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Speaker 9: And if the judge does let it in, it's still

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Speaker 1: Because that's the case.

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Speaker 3: The Coburger defense team cannot challenge the DNA in a

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Speaker 9: Makes no sense to me. Well, let's remember this. The

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Speaker 3: And if for some reason the FBI is reluctant and

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Speaker 9: Everybody who was within the jurisdiction of that court, which

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Speaker 3: But with the start of the trial nearing, the clock

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Speaker 3: this key DNA information makes the October second start date

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Speaker 1: Coburger's lawyers asked, and the judge said yes.

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Speaker 3: One week after the June twenty seventh pre trial hearing,

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Speaker 3: Judge John Judge ruled that the prosecution must give the

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Speaker 9: It's an important victory, and the reason is what they're

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Speaker 3: Defense turney Zan Taylor argued a week earlier at the

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Speaker 12: Does this mean that the defense is going to go

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Speaker 1: The defense's job is to explore every possible angle, and

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Speaker 12: All that to be said, it must be so difficult

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Speaker 3: Out to all of them.

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Speaker 9: So it's a defense going to go after the police,

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Speaker 9: But they're not going to go after the police per se.

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Speaker 3: In a previous court filing, the defense tried to undermine

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Speaker 9: I do believe that if the judge let's in the

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Speaker 9: it not any good? Did they purposely focus on this guy?

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Speaker 9: Are there are other reputative defendants out there? So that

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Speaker 9: Is it a good idea to go after the police?

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Speaker 9: And I would say if you're an inexperienced lawyer, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Let's stop here for another break. One week after the hearing,

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Speaker 3: the probable cause affidavit. Were they just an innocent bystander

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Speaker 12: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies

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Speaker 1: It appears to be an execution style assassination.

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Speaker 13: I just knew the move was wrong.

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Speaker 11: Maybe there's something more sinister at play than just one

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