WEBVTT - Talking Sh*t: Colonoscopies, Stool Sizes, and Potty Talk 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bill and Juliana the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everyone, welcome to the Bill and Juliana Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We are very lucky to have doctor Ruckham, who actually

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<v Speaker 1>is our doctor. You're doctor my doctor. He gave us

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<v Speaker 1>both our colonoscopies. He has over forty years of experience.

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<v Speaker 1>He's done over forty thousand colonoscopies, if you can believe

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<v Speaker 1>that at Northwestern well between Northwestern University of Chicago. That's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's currently the head of the department at Northwestern Medical

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<v Speaker 1>Center here in downtown Chicago. Yes, and he's a lovely man,

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<v Speaker 1>great Chicago, and he's a big deal. Yeah, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal here.

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<v Speaker 2>So literally, you guys, everyone in Chicago's like, oh, doctor Ruckham,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Ruckham, Like he's like such a big deal. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an important episode because doctor Ruckham did my colonoscopy

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<v Speaker 2>as well as bills and that is actually the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we are doing this podcast. We came up to his

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<v Speaker 2>podcast ideas because I was googling all this stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night about the colon off speaker

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<v Speaker 2>is I could not finish the prep the liquid that

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<v Speaker 2>gross liquid for the life of me. And let's get dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get our hands, get our hands dirty. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the show, Doctor Ruckham, thank you for having me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as people know, you are just a pillar at Northwestern,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the great institutions in Chicago. You've

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<v Speaker 1>done Julianna's kolonoscopy, my colonoscopy, coming right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's got a better colon?

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were going to ask that.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was going to be a very competitive company.

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<v Speaker 2>We are who does be honest?

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<v Speaker 1>Always the woman? Yeah? Okay, smart answer. Speaking of bowels.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as we're on the subject, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this. You know, how often should you make a

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<v Speaker 1>ball movement? Is it twice a day, once a day,

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<v Speaker 1>three times a day?

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<v Speaker 3>Size?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Shape? Like we're with the internet now, you

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<v Speaker 1>get so much information at your fingertips. You don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you really wander? How often?

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<v Speaker 4>Believe it or not? The definition of normal is three

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<v Speaker 4>times a day to three times a week. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>ninety five percent of people will.

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<v Speaker 1>Be with that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge range.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a huge range.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's important because you don't want to needlessly say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I need to go every day. If you go every

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<v Speaker 4>two or even every three days, and you're very comfortable

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<v Speaker 4>and it's regular for you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your norm. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Interestingly enough, too, the consistency is irrelevant. So if someone

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<v Speaker 4>said I have one watery bowel movement a day or

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<v Speaker 4>I have lumpy stool every other day, and that's their normal.

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<v Speaker 4>If they fit within three a day to three a week,

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<v Speaker 4>it's normal.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a fermented plumb once. I'm sorry what I

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<v Speaker 1>was at a health food store and this guy Khalil

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<v Speaker 1>on SUNLIGHTE so you got to try this fermented plumb

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like a gusher. I mean, I no offense,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was in the bathroom all day. I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up in the middle of the night with abdominal pain

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<v Speaker 1>like it was bad.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole thing with fermentation. There's a lot of very good,

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<v Speaker 4>healthy foods that when we eat them, they are not

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<v Speaker 4>fully digested, and they as we get older and older,

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<v Speaker 4>could be thirty five or forty, but you're older than

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<v Speaker 4>you were when you were twenty. Things that you used

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<v Speaker 4>to digest you may not digest as well. So let

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<v Speaker 4>me give you a few examples. Beans, onions, mushrooms, broccoli, calliflower, spinach, kale, garlic,

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of those foods. You eat them, they go

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<v Speaker 4>in your stomach, they go through twenty feet a small intestine,

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<v Speaker 4>much fee twenty feet where food is digested and absorbed.

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<v Speaker 4>And then if it's not fully digested and it gets

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<v Speaker 4>into your colon, the bacteria in the colon see this

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<v Speaker 4>food and they can literally ferment it. And ferment it

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<v Speaker 4>means they chew it up and they make gases.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question. It is a question that is

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<v Speaker 2>a mystery to many. It is an incredibly embarrassing question

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<v Speaker 2>for some. I'm going to ask you. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you have the answer to this. You might have

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<v Speaker 2>to get back to us because you've probably never been

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<v Speaker 2>asked this in your entire career. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there are millions of people like myself

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<v Speaker 2>affected by this, Okay, since I was younger. I'll walk

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<v Speaker 2>into like a Barnes and Noble, okay, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, within five minutes, I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>the smell of the books, I don't know what I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the bathroom? I have to like immediately make a

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<v Speaker 2>bee line. And then I found I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>the only person in the world who had this weird

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<v Speaker 2>thing happened. And then I've seen other people on social

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<v Speaker 2>media talk about this phenomenon and some people it's a target.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people it's like a TJ Max. You know, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that weird? And what do you think it is?

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think I can give you an answer.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a vedical that's definitive, but if one was to

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<v Speaker 4>speculate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how your mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Holds back impulses and when you feel relaxed, if you're busy,

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<v Speaker 4>you're working, your your mind is doing other things. There

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<v Speaker 4>may be just the natural suppression of needing to go

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<v Speaker 4>to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids try.

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<v Speaker 4>Not that you're even holding it in school, but a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of times kids won't go to the bathroom in school.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not that they're I mean, some are holding it.

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<v Speaker 4>They have accidents and that's an issue, but many of

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<v Speaker 4>them just don't. Many people, you'll hear this all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>During the work week, they don't go to the bathroom

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<v Speaker 4>as much. Saturday and Sunday, when they're home, they go.

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<v Speaker 4>So it probably has to do with just the relaxation

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<v Speaker 4>that you're feeling and you're not in hip that you're

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<v Speaker 4>in the store and you weren't running and doing errands

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<v Speaker 4>and catching a cab ort and relax, and you're letting

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<v Speaker 4>mother nature take over, which is what it should have done.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe a little while. That's just my guess. That's great,

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't have a medical for sure. Either that,

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<v Speaker 4>or I would tell some of my constipated people that

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<v Speaker 4>go to by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way doctor feel free to take them mile. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't got to the bathroom in a while, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I should just go to the bookstore. I should probably

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<v Speaker 2>just go grab something at home goods. So Doctor Ruckham,

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<v Speaker 2>the literally the impetus for this podcast was my experience

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<v Speaker 2>getting my colonoscopy. You don't know this yet, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>when I was doing the prep for my colonoscopy, I

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<v Speaker 2>heard all these stories about the liquid. The liquid is

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<v Speaker 2>the worst, The prep is the worst. The colonoscopy itself

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<v Speaker 2>isn't bad, that's what everyone says. It's the prep that

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<v Speaker 2>people get nervous about, as you probably know. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when I was doing the prep, I got all my stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the pharmacy, picked it up, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of SIPs, I was like this isn't bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Why does everyone complain about this? As the day went on,

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<v Speaker 2>it was still fine, fine, fine, and then kind of

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the day, I started getting a

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<v Speaker 2>little like exhausted from drinking. It wasn't loving it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I had to set my alarm in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the I to wake up to finish the prep.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in the middle of the night when I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up, I kid you not, I literally I had

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<v Speaker 2>like this much left, and I was like, I physically

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<v Speaker 2>cannot take one more sip of this stuff. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>much so, and you don't know this, but so much

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<v Speaker 2>so that I thought I have to cancel my appointment,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm gonna have to email his office or call

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency line and be like, hey, I'm not coming

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<v Speaker 2>in because I had an early morning appointment and I

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<v Speaker 2>literally could not finish the prep. So I went online

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<v Speaker 2>and I searched do I have to finish the prep

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<v Speaker 2>before a colonoscopy? And there were a million different reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't get a straight answer. And then finally it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually on Reddit that I saw a line that said

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<v Speaker 2>I am a colonoscopy nurse of twenty years and dot

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<v Speaker 2>dot dot. So I clicked it, and she said, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're healthy, it's your first colonoscopy, there's no nothing scary

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<v Speaker 2>going on that you know of. Then yes, you could

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<v Speaker 2>leave some of the liquid behind. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>take it all. And so that gave me reassurance I

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<v Speaker 2>could go back to bed. I came in the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if you remember, but when I

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<v Speaker 2>came out of the colonoscopy and you guys woke me up.

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<v Speaker 2>You were there, Bill, Yeah, I think I asked you.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, how was I in there? You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know, like, was.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, well slensed down? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I do my job? Because I was curious by

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<v Speaker 2>not having that final bit? Was it still okay?

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<v Speaker 4>That's a common question and people think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of the issue is not everyone scheduling a colonoscopy

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<v Speaker 4>has a doctor's appointment where you'd have a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss things.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I turned forty five, I'm getting a procedure. Do

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<v Speaker 4>I need to waste the time to go to the

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<v Speaker 4>office and GI doctors don't require.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's scheduled, you can do it.

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<v Speaker 4>So you really never had the chance simplest answer is

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<v Speaker 4>if when you're going to the bathroom it's coming out

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<v Speaker 4>like clear water or like almost like urine, like just

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<v Speaker 4>a yellow tinge pure water, then you're done. You're clean,

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<v Speaker 4>so you don't have to drink anymore because you're as

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<v Speaker 4>clean as you need to be the other part to

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<v Speaker 4>it is there's different types of bowel preps. So some

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<v Speaker 4>people get the whole jug, the four lid, which is

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<v Speaker 4>more to drink, more potent because it'll flush you out.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people get the shorter, the smaller two bottles, and

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<v Speaker 4>when you do the shorter one, it's ideally you'd rather

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<v Speaker 4>not take a short cut from the short cut got

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<v Speaker 4>you know, So those people I would try to encourage

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<v Speaker 4>to drink at all. But again, if they're clear or

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<v Speaker 4>yellow and watery, you're done. God, so you don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to finish.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the four liter or whatever it was it was,

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<v Speaker 1>who's quite powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>And you finishers.

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<v Speaker 1>I finished mine. And the good news is when I

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<v Speaker 1>went in, you said, i'll see in ten years, So

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had a clean bill.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a clean bill, and what that means no poll ups,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's what we're looking for when.

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<v Speaker 1>We do this.

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<v Speaker 4>Most pulps will never become cancer. Looking the other way,

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<v Speaker 4>most cancers started as a poll up, So by removing them,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll eliminate the chance. I mean, what's the odds of

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<v Speaker 4>a healthy fifty year old having a poll up? It's

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<v Speaker 4>probably in the thirty five to forty percent range, So

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<v Speaker 4>that's not uncommon. At age forty five or fifty they

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<v Speaker 4>have a polyp.

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<v Speaker 2>I did have a poll up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but how many people? How many people will get

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<v Speaker 4>colon cancer? It's about four percent. No test is one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred percent. There's things that could be missed. There may

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<v Speaker 4>be cancers that don't start as a pollup. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>in general we're reducing the risk of colon cancer by

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<v Speaker 4>about eighty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>You might find some say ninety percent, some say seven

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<v Speaker 4>by doing ascopy, doing a plenoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to ask you, so when you go

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<v Speaker 2>do a colonospay, you go under correct like you're you're out,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, or twilight what is it called twilight? Twilight?

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not general anesthesia. You're breathing on your own.

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<v Speaker 4>You're in a sedated to be comfortable. That's the focus

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<v Speaker 4>is comfort.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And obviously that's what you know. Like I was

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<v Speaker 2>like excited about that because of course, like the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing I want to do is be awake during a kolonoscopy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet the person in my right, my husband opposite psycho,

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<v Speaker 2>he what was your reaction when my husband said, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go under. I want to be awake

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<v Speaker 2>for my colonos.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been under in my life. And I even

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<v Speaker 1>did a shoulder surgery. Yeah, and I didn't go under,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I will.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I've done this sounds like a crazy number, but

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<v Speaker 4>I've done over forty thousand. Wow, okay, and I will

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<v Speaker 4>probably do maybe ten twelve a year. Where people request

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<v Speaker 4>no sedation, I try to discourage it. Why not just

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<v Speaker 4>be relaxed and comfortable. You just don't know how you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna feel. Everyone's got their own nerves sensitivity. The part

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<v Speaker 4>that makes a colonoscopy potentially uncomfortable is when you're pushing

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<v Speaker 4>it in the stretch. That can occur and if there's

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<v Speaker 4>a loop, If there's a loop and you wouldn't know it,

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<v Speaker 4>your colon could have a loop, and we go in

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<v Speaker 4>and we just twist with our wrists, unravel and straighten it.

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<v Speaker 4>When we're coming out. There's no discomfort, it's just it's straight.

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<v Speaker 4>But you just don't know how people react, and some

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<v Speaker 4>do amazing. And you know, I say this objectively, no

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<v Speaker 4>sexism and vowel. As a general rule of thumb, general

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<v Speaker 4>men's colons tend to be a little straighter than women's.

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<v Speaker 4>Women's tend to have a little more twists. As they

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<v Speaker 4>get older and they've had some children, their pelvic floor

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<v Speaker 4>may drop a little and there may be that twist.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that why men go number two more often?

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<v Speaker 4>And I hear that all the time from the wives?

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<v Speaker 4>Why am I constipated in my husband goals every day?

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<v Speaker 1>And as a rule.

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<v Speaker 4>Of thumb, men tend to go a little more regularly

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<v Speaker 4>than women. Still, there's no way that it can be

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<v Speaker 4>not uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do it. I will never. When I come

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<v Speaker 1>back to you when I'm sixty out, I am going under. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've never been under my life. Still to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been under. But I can't. I'm not what

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<v Speaker 1>you fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill hold on, let me ask you, because my fear

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<v Speaker 2>when I go under, I've been under a lot. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even scoliosis, breast cancer, IVF I've been under a lot, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a lot of propofol, a lot of all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. My fear is like God forbid something happens,

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<v Speaker 2>and like I don't wake up, right. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think most people's fear. What is that your fear?

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<v Speaker 1>What is your fear? I spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>googling medical treatments and things like that, and in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, they don't go under for poscopies

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<v Speaker 1>in many parts of Europe, right from what I was googling,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, because it's unnecessary, and I just I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been under. I think it's also a lack of control.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know what I'm going to say.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the comment that I The two things that I

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<v Speaker 4>hear the most when someone says they don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>is they say, I have this fear of losing control,

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<v Speaker 4>and I go like, like, what control are you looking

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<v Speaker 4>for in the next thirty minutes? You know? And occasionally

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<v Speaker 4>some people want to. They literally say I have a

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<v Speaker 4>meeting to get to. I don't want to be sedated.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to just get up and leave. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll work with them. We'll always give them an ivy

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<v Speaker 4>okay in case, in case their blood pressure got a

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<v Speaker 4>little lower, we can give them fluids in case they

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<v Speaker 4>throw in the white towel and say, you know that

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<v Speaker 4>way we can put But you know if you hate

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<v Speaker 4>when you do that, when someone mid stream says give

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<v Speaker 4>me the medicine, because you say, why did I have

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<v Speaker 4>to put you through this comfort before you said it?

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<v Speaker 2>So if people ask for they don't want the propofol,

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<v Speaker 2>they do the milder one. Do you do people still

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<v Speaker 2>say crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>They people are always worried that they're going to say

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<v Speaker 4>something to most people, they never they never do they

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<v Speaker 4>never do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people they just.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to sleep and they're just relaxing, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as the procedures going on, I'm constantly with the nurse

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<v Speaker 4>in the room. We're going like Bill, you know, open

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<v Speaker 4>your eyes and if you started like opening them, give

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<v Speaker 4>them another milligram because we're trying to be two to

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<v Speaker 4>three minutes ahead of when you may actually wake up

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<v Speaker 4>a little more. Because it's tye traded to the person's need.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no fixed dose that's going to work for everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>We go a little at a time, another dose, another

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking forward to But I always but I will

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<v Speaker 3>tell you when when people ask me that and there's

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<v Speaker 3>spouses in the room, I always go, you said, I

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<v Speaker 3>love my husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting. Just a lot of people have so

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<v Speaker 2>many questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I have some questions written down from viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>We literally have people who were so excited that you

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<v Speaker 2>were coming on. Our best friends were very excited. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a good friend in Chicago named David Wells, and

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<v Speaker 2>we told him you were coming on and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I want to know? Because we

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<v Speaker 2>asked our friends like what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, I would love to know if they

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<v Speaker 2>all look the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what do you mean that's whole? He said, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>are some he's looking a knucklehead? Yeah, there's a prettier

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<v Speaker 1>colon than the other one. Any attractive? Like, no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they all look the same? I think is actually

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<v Speaker 2>a very good question.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they look the same if they're healthy, but there

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<v Speaker 4>might be subtle turns and twists and the diverticulum that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if some colons have so many it almost

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<v Speaker 4>looks like Swiss cheese. And you got to be really

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<v Speaker 4>careful you, meaning you've got to say which one's the

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<v Speaker 4>real opening and which one's the diver if they're bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're bigger. A lot of people are are now

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<v Speaker 1>taking GLP ones. It's causing a lot of problems with

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<v Speaker 1>their ball movements, irregular ball movements, freezing right of the colon.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you seeing now in the industry with so

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<v Speaker 1>many people taking GLP ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So, so glp ones in general work in two

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<v Speaker 4>different ways. One in the brain they decrease your appetite.

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<v Speaker 4>Two they slow your gut motility, so your stomach doesn't empty.

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<v Speaker 4>So imagine how hungry you would be if you said

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<v Speaker 4>you want a meal after you've had a meal, you'd say, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm full. Their stomachs don't empty as well, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>the other reason they don't want to eat as much.

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<v Speaker 4>But it can also affect the colon. People do get

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes diarrhea from it, but a little more commonly is

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<v Speaker 4>constipation that your bowel doesn't move as well because it

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<v Speaker 4>slows gut motility. So when someone's on a GLP one,

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<v Speaker 4>we tell them to not take it for at least

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<v Speaker 4>seven days, got it. The last dose should be seven

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<v Speaker 4>days before the prep so that it's wearing off by

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<v Speaker 4>the time you're taking the bowel prop and you clean out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the story with hemorrhoids, Like, at what point

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<v Speaker 2>should you worry go to a doctor about a hemorrhoid?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes like you get a hemorrhoid once in

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<v Speaker 2>a while and it kind of goes back in and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, like bye bye, you know it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>But then sometimes like it can be a little feisty,

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<v Speaker 2>keeps coming, you know, keeps popping out and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what could tell me about your issues right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can admit, I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>We hamorrhids are a very it's a very common question.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah's a common thing that people come in to see

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<v Speaker 4>a doctor about. Hemorrhids are just blood vessels. So the

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<v Speaker 4>good news is that they don't turn into anything bad.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people often wonder, well, if I don't do anything,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll turn It's just a blood vessel.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So now there's two types, and it's important to know

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<v Speaker 4>the distinction. You know, how people use the term rectum

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<v Speaker 4>and anus sometimes interchangeably, but medically, the rectum is the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the colon. That's the end and the after

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<v Speaker 4>the rectum is the anus, which is the muscle that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if you want to hold it, you can

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<v Speaker 4>tighten it. So the anus has nerves to it. That's

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<v Speaker 4>where external hemorrhoids are in the anus. So external hemorrhids

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<v Speaker 4>can bleed and they can hurt. Internal hemorrhoids are in

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<v Speaker 4>the rectum. They can bleed, but they don't hurt. Warm

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<v Speaker 4>water though, you know, like when you go on a

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<v Speaker 4>hot bath, you know, not no salts, you don't need

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<v Speaker 4>any of that absence. That's old folklore. Just warm water.

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<v Speaker 4>You know how your fingers can shrivel up like brooms.

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<v Speaker 4>When you've been in the bathroom long enough that your

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<v Speaker 4>fingers are shriveling, the hemorrhoids can shrink and that's what

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<v Speaker 4>helps them. Hemorrhos can be caused by a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be just bad luck. It could be you

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<v Speaker 4>have diarrhea and you're going frequently. It could be a

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<v Speaker 4>long plate, I'm a runner, a biker on those narrow bikes,

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<v Speaker 4>pregnancy when you're pushing. So a lot of things cause them,

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<v Speaker 4>but most get treated easily.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a hemorrhid once, this is a funny story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went into one of those float tanks. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like filled with epsom salts right like, and you float

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<v Speaker 1>in these deprivation tanks. It was so paint. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get out because I don't know if the hemorrhoy

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<v Speaker 1>had popped. But that's salt in the wound. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't do That's why we don't even do salt anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>It just warm water.

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<v Speaker 1>It was awful.

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<v Speaker 4>But occasionally someone is in acute misery, like they're writhing

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<v Speaker 4>in pain, and that can sometimes be what we call

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<v Speaker 4>a thrombost hemorrhoid, where they feel it and it feels

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<v Speaker 4>like there's a walnut in there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard and.

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<v Speaker 4>You touch it, and if it's really usually they'll still

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<v Speaker 4>get better. You'll get better if you if you can

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<v Speaker 4>bear with it a few days. But if it's really miserable,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where a surgeon will literally lance it and like

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<v Speaker 4>pull out, just take it out, yeah, and it'll be

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<v Speaker 4>instant relief.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it. People are very proud of themselves when it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a like a foot snake, right big long yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then but is that better and healthier or the

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<v Speaker 2>little like single ones and if they're floating versus sinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we what should we be proud of when

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<v Speaker 2>we look down in the I would really, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>proud of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I would refocus that and say that that's an irrelevant goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, so you can they can all be good.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're evacuating, you're getting riddle waste, you're comfortable, it's

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<v Speaker 4>your it's your norm.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you don't have to got it be you know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't be so obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter. So whether they're individual, whether it's whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as it's solid.

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<v Speaker 4>I would assume we'll show people charts even and we'll say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, is it watery, mushy like sauce or of

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<v Speaker 4>ice cream? Yes, I mean we're talking what will we

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<v Speaker 4>stay in an office? Is it a banana? Is it

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<v Speaker 4>little nuggets?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Are you straining?

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<v Speaker 4>And they all can be fine if you're comfortable. If

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<v Speaker 4>you're saying I'm having hard stool and it's giving me

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<v Speaker 4>cramps or when it goes through it hurts, yeah, some

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<v Speaker 4>people a big bulky stool and cause not only a hemorrhy,

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<v Speaker 4>but another thing called a fissure. Yes, which a fisher

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<v Speaker 4>is a tear in the anus. So the anal muscle stretch, stretch, stretch,

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<v Speaker 4>and if it's bulky and it keeps stretching, it tears.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a cut and it hurts and it can bleed.

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<v Speaker 4>So the history can sound very much like a hemorrhide.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that when the doctor talks the person, you'll say,

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<v Speaker 4>did you have a big, hard, bulky stool when it

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<v Speaker 4>came through? Did you know it was big? Did you

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<v Speaker 4>know it hurts was coming through? And they go yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I hurt and I saw blood. That's a

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<v Speaker 4>classic fisher. The treatment is identical to hemorrhights. Warm bass,

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<v Speaker 4>the creams most heal occasionally, they don't occasionally, And then

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<v Speaker 4>there's other things we do for fishers. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 4>they're really not getting better. You know how people get

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<v Speaker 4>botox for wrinkles, Well, we can inject botox in a fissure.

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<v Speaker 4>If some of the medical treatments don't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think some people just genetically are just genetically

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<v Speaker 2>more able to have like great movements? Because I kid

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<v Speaker 2>you not built tell them the truth I have. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very regular wonder like I really I cannot say a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing about my movements. I know that sounds weird,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not kidding. No, Bill, don't we always talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not always, thank you though. No.

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<v Speaker 2>No Bill even says he's like, it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you you what's unbelievable is how quickly you're in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>Like five seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, you you just like in and out?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. So okay, No, I would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Better if you can do it.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, people that sit on a toilet and

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<v Speaker 4>read a magazine or a paper that can predispose.

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<v Speaker 1>To ham rights.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go. See, I don't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to stop scrolling on the toil.

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<v Speaker 4>I read the consistency, you know, I mean I I

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<v Speaker 4>mean I have people that you know, they joke, they'll go,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was like secretariat.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm telling you, I think it's hereditary, genetic because

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<v Speaker 2>I have I am the most regular person two three

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<v Speaker 2>times a day, solid in and out of there, not stressed,

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<v Speaker 2>not not pushing nothing yet Yet my diet's not great,

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<v Speaker 2>like I eat like like a twelve year old boy

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<v Speaker 2>who just discovered candy and junk. I don't drink water,

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<v Speaker 2>except for how much water d I drink a day?

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<v Speaker 2>Half a cup?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing, so you would think so I wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is a serious question. I didn't have this

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<v Speaker 2>one prepared. Is it like maybe is it a family like?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it my ancestors? Like? Is it something like we

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<v Speaker 2>were from Italy? I don't know, Like I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not aware of anything that we could talk about

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<v Speaker 4>genetically or heritage.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that interesting though?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably you have just good colonic motility that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how the you know, the colon in the stools in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle, and then there's the lining and underneath it

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<v Speaker 4>there are muscles that you know, push to propel the stool.

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<v Speaker 1>With someone like you.

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<v Speaker 4>From what you said, we just got good motility because

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<v Speaker 4>stuff get it pushes and it gets out.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for carving out the time to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and see us here in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, doctor Rockham.

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<v Speaker 1>This was so wonderful, What a pleasure. It's really been

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<v Speaker 1>a joy,