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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: You want to be happy for day Edith State is

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Speaker 3: that woo woom?

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Speaker 4: And Dan and tie.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, Michigan Wolverines.

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Speaker 4: You're twenty twenty four college football National champions. They knock

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Speaker 4: off the Washington Huskies by thirty four to thirteen margin.

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Speaker 4: We did a very long live stream throughout the course

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Speaker 4: of this game. We had a chance to chat with hundreds,

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Speaker 4: if not thousands of Verballers throughout the course of the evening,

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Speaker 4: all of them celebrating the game that was the college

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Speaker 4: football national championship. We get to do this again for

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Speaker 4: another season. It was a pleasure as always to do

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Speaker 1: Make sure you hit follow or subscribe. How are you,

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Speaker 1: my good friend.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, still piecing together my thoughts on the game itself,

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Speaker 3: which we're going to talk through together. But good, I

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Speaker 3: mean it's I don't know what the correct adjective to

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Speaker 4: Michigan won this game in resounding fashion down the stretch.

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Speaker 4: It was a game that in my eyes, was defined

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Speaker 4: Outside of the first three drives, Michigan sort of stalled out.

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Speaker 4: what happened in the first quarter. After that point, Washington

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Speaker 4: Michigan got two interceptions. Michigan was able to change the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was It was a fascinating game, and we

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Speaker 3: You know, it started out as a sprint, and then

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Speaker 3: Once again, they overwhelmed the Washington offensive line, and that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was hurt.

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Speaker 1: My hunches it was some combination of both. But he

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Speaker 1: And so for me, that was it. For me.

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Speaker 4: It was, as you said, the Michigan defense that changed

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Speaker 1: They won the game in sort of an ugly way,

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Speaker 4: Interesting season for the Michigan Wolverines. I mean to put

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Speaker 3: see what happens with Jim Harbaugh. It certainly seems to

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Speaker 3: Because I don't care how much or how little you

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Speaker 4: I'd welcome feedback from the verballerhood. I mean, you know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was basically a Shawshank win for Michigan, right,

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Speaker 3: win much more often than not. I think this was

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Speaker 3: a special year that they were They were able to

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Speaker 3: figure out moments in a way that other teams weren't,

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Speaker 3: whether it was those close calls, whether it was the

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Speaker 3: Texas game holding on in that one. Washington isn't a

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Speaker 3: healthy as long as Kailin de Bor is the coach

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Speaker 3: and as long as they can continue to improve. I

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Speaker 3: know recruiting is on an uptick right now. For twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five and beyond. The outlook is very when you

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Speaker 3: have the head coach in place, when you hire well,

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Speaker 3: the recruiting still needs a minute. They're in a really

447
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Speaker 3: great spot. I don't think they're going to careene off

448
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Speaker 3: a cliff like TCU did this year. I think he's

449
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Speaker 3: going to constantly find quarterbacks and help to develop quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: and find skill talent, find offensive linemen. But they're going

451
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Speaker 3: to take a step back. I think they're going to respond.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to be in a good place.

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Speaker 3: The story to me is still Michigan is still whatever

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Speaker 3: happens with Jim Harbaugh, whatever happens with leaving a succession plan,

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Speaker 3: deciding to come back JJ McCarthy's future. But this was

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Speaker 3: the year for both of these teams in terms of

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Speaker 3: circling twenty twenty three, and it all comes down to

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Speaker 3: this year, given the number of upperclassmen, given the COVID

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Speaker 3: extension years, and Michigan was much better built to win

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Speaker 3: this championship because they could win in more ways.

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Speaker 1: It was a talent thing in the end, Yeah, it

462
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Speaker 1: was a talent thing. In the end.

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Speaker 4: Michigan was much more of a complete product, especially on defense,

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Speaker 4: especially on defense. We will talk about that momentarily as

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Speaker 4: we get into our dood alerts, especially on defense. The

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Speaker 4: way they were able to change that game, whether it

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Speaker 4: was guys in the secondary making plays, whether it was

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Speaker 4: guys up front along the line beating the Washington offensive

469
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Speaker 4: line pretty continuously throughout the course of this game. This

470
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Speaker 4: was a talent advantage for Michigan across the board. So

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Speaker 4: kudos to the Michigan Wolverines. They finished the year fifteen

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Speaker 4: to zero. Thirty four to thirteen was your final if

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Speaker 4: you took my Houston, we have a parlay. I made

474
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Speaker 4: the mistake that I made a week ago, frankly, with Alabama.

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Speaker 4: I thought they would get over twenty points. Washington only

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Speaker 4: scores thirteen. Alabama over time only made it to twenty. Yep,

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Speaker 4: and again this was a lower scoring affair forty seven

478
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Speaker 4: points in total. They don't quite get to that over

479
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Speaker 4: under which closed that fifty five and a half points.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that there is any defining characteristic of

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Speaker 3: this Michigan team, depending on what happens with the off

482
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Speaker 3: field stuff beyond, they had really strong players that played

483
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Speaker 3: better than their opponent. You know, the Washington defense over

484
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Speaker 3: the course of the year left some to be desired,

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Speaker 3: and this was the year for a team like Michigan

486
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Speaker 3: or whether it was going to be Alabama or whoever

487
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Speaker 3: was in the playoff it was. It was a more

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Speaker 3: not wide open, but I think a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a softer landing spot with what you could do against Washington,

490
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Speaker 3: with what a number of teams against Washington.

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Speaker 4: And just the fact that Washington did not have its outpitch.

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Speaker 4: They could not get the ball in key moments to

493
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Speaker 4: their best wideouts. No, they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: There were moments. There are moments Kirk highlighted, you know,

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Speaker 3: up the seam, or that Michael Pennix was looking to

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Speaker 3: his right because that's where he was starting his his look.

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Speaker 3: And then you know roma Duneesay springs open on the

498
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Speaker 3: left hand, like you can't see every receiver at the

499
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Speaker 3: same time at all moments. There were moments Michael Pennix

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Speaker 3: has risen to that moment. The offensive line. I honestly

501
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Speaker 3: don't put a ton of it on Michael Pennix. I

502
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: just Michigan whipped Washington up front, and.

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Speaker 1: They whipped him.

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Speaker 3: There's only so much you can do in that case.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, It was a very strong year from Washington.

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Speaker 3: But Washington, as I think we all thought on a

507
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 3: certain level, was not of the caliber of the best

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Speaker 3: in the sport when you look at a team holistically,

509
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Speaker 3: when you look at a one hundred percent of its roster,

510
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Speaker 3: but winners win, and Washington was able to win moments

511
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Speaker 3: at a much higher clip than quote unquote better teams.

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Speaker 2: Some players are good, some are great, and some are

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Speaker 2: just dudes. Welcome to dood Alert, presented by Pristine Auction.

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean to cut you off, but I thought

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Speaker 4: it was a perfect segue to talk.

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Speaker 1: To was dudes holistic roster? Holistic roster.

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Speaker 4: I've got dudes from three different levels of this Michigan

518
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Speaker 4: team that I think I want to call out place.

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00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: Mikey Sandras still Dan. He had a game, a bunch

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Speaker 4: of tackles, a bunch of key tackles, had the interception late,

521
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 4: ran the ball damn near into the goal, ended up

522
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Speaker 4: flipping the field, putting Michigan in a position to get

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Speaker 4: this game on ice. He had a really, really nice game.

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Speaker 4: The Michigan secondary as a whole was awesome, but I

525
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Speaker 4: think he was the headliner from what we saw, even

526
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Speaker 4: had a smart interference call earlier in this game where

527
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 4: it just made sense to grab a dude.

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Speaker 1: He did it in a really big way here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think was sort of the torch bearer

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Speaker 4: for this Michigan defense also up front. We called them

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Speaker 4: out on the broadcast, but just felt like Mason Graham

532
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Speaker 4: was everywhere on the Michigan front, just like I think

533
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Speaker 4: a sophomore like young talent that Michigan has that they

534
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Speaker 4: have the building, yeah, yeah, have built in as part

535
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Speaker 4: of their longer term plan. The fact that they were

536
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Speaker 4: able again to pull one over on the Washington front.

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Speaker 1: And the manner that they did was damn near impressive.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, So whether they're changing the complexion of the run

539
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Speaker 4: game of the Washington Huskies or the passing game and

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Speaker 4: the rhythm of Mike Pennix, Mason Graham was a big

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Speaker 4: part of that. And then I got to give a

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Speaker 4: shout out to Donovan Edwards. Man, oh my god, sorry

543
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Speaker 4: about Donovan.

544
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Speaker 3: Edwards does nothing all year long, jumps out and wins

545
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Speaker 3: the National championship right away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean truly stepping on the gas and the

547
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Speaker 4: manner that Michigan did early we were on the stream

548
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Speaker 4: and We're like, dude, this is over, this is this

549
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Speaker 4: is this is probably over right now, given what we

550
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Speaker 4: know this Michigan team and how they want to take

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Speaker 4: the air out of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 4: Given a special shout out to Mikey, Sandra Still, Mason Graham,

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Speaker 4: and of course.

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Speaker 1: Donovan Edwards had two big runs start things off.

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Speaker 3: Dan agree.

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Speaker 4: I also wanted to give a shout out to a

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Speaker 4: compete against us. I have not actually looked up to

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Speaker 4: see how you and I did. I'll wait, I'll wait,

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Speaker 4: until I'm feeling a little bit more spry to do

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Speaker 4: that because we didn't do nearly as well as these

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Speaker 4: this season.

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Speaker 3: Man, congratulations to Michigan all their fans, huge moment.

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Speaker 1: Been a rocky year, been.

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Speaker 4: A tough year, but it's been an important year to

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Speaker 4: have those message boards. Oh my god, to have that

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Speaker 4: support never been more fortunate. Yep, if you're a Michigan fan,

603
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Speaker 4: this is a crazy year on about a thousand different fronts.

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Speaker 4: That's why we've got the off season. We've got the

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Speaker 4: off season to help us decipher all of that and

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Speaker 4: figure out what it means and put it in context

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Speaker 4: and get everybody ready for the dolgence of the off

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Speaker 4: season and the excitement of the twenty twenty four season ahead.

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Speaker 4: We did get questions about what does our off season

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Speaker 4: recording schedule look like. Our plan is to still go

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Speaker 4: Tuesday Thursday, as we have for gosh, each of the

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Speaker 4: last fifteen seasons. So going out to solid verbal dot

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Speaker 3: It's a great time.

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Speaker 1: That does it, Dan, another season in the books. We

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Speaker 1: made it.

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Speaker 3: I love this year, Ty, I really did. From the

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Speaker 3: highs and lows of what the Big ten, the PAC twelve,

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Speaker 3: the sec ACC Big twelve. We're getting a bunch of

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Speaker 3: new LOTK conferences next year, a bunch of great performances.

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Speaker 3: This year we got hirings, firings. Jimbo Fisher is a

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Speaker 3: billion air now, ty, I don't know if you actually

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Speaker 3: saw the latest report. It was great. It was a

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Speaker 3: terrific year. Loved spending it with you, Love spending with

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Speaker 3: all the reballers as always. Can't wait to take a

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Speaker 3: breath and start to make sense of it.

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Speaker 4: Reballers, stand up and give yourselves a round of applause

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Speaker 4: doing it here. We would not be here without all y'all.

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Speaker 4: It is always fun. We are going to take a

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Speaker 4: breather of the rest of this week.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week.

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, For that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 4: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hilden Brandt to the

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Speaker 4: Michigan faithful that have supported this show and have listened

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Speaker 4: for years and years and years on end. Finally, finally,

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Speaker 4: it is your moment. Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to y'all soon. Stay solid, peace,