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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with on our radio.

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Speaker 2: It's almost Famous podcast. We are back with Ashley. Ashley

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Speaker 2: is back here talking with us today about the latest

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Speaker 2: episode of GEN season of The Bachelorette. It was a

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Speaker 2: great episode. A lot happen.

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Speaker 3: It was a great episode. It was the fastest episode ever.

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Speaker 3: It was blue, wasn't it? Not? Is because like it

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Speaker 3: was so substantial, because all the conversations where there's.

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Speaker 2: No fluff, there's no fluff. It might have flown too

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of freaking commercials.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's always there's always forty minutes of commercials for

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Speaker 3: a two hour episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of commercials. Okay. Uh. It is

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Speaker 2: the Fantasy Sweet Week for GEN season of The Bachelorette. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: last week I was in San Francisco with a lot

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Speaker 2: of Bachelor Nation alum. Ashley, you were here breaking down

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Speaker 2: the latest episode of GEN season with Rachel. I think

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Speaker 2: after listening to that episode, a lot of the takes,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the assumptions, a lot of things you

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Speaker 2: were feeling became accurate during this episode, or at least

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Speaker 2: were proven true. But let's start with Devon's date Devon's

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Speaker 2: date is the first date of this episode. Devon has

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Speaker 2: been a what do you want to say? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think we used the word polarizing a lot during

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Speaker 2: this podcast. I don't know if anybody has represented polarizing

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Speaker 2: as well as Devon, mostly because it felt like so

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Speaker 2: much of the season was somebody having an issue with Devon,

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Speaker 2: but we never really figured out if the issue is

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Speaker 2: actually with Devon or the issue was with the person

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Speaker 2: having an issue with Devon.

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Speaker 3: With Aaron, it was definitely Aaron's issue.

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Speaker 2: Well, Samm definitely Sam's issue. So can we say that

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Speaker 2: Devon actually, like is a decent dude, Like he's trying

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Speaker 2: his best here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, except for don't forget he does like to eat

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Speaker 3: things that he allergic to. We still address that, you know,

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Speaker 3: but we were very weirded out by his bio. However,

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Speaker 3: I really like him.

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Speaker 2: I don't judge a man on weirdness, I judge a

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Speaker 2: man on character. I do think after this episode, Devin

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Speaker 2: has proven to be there for Jin because he really

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Speaker 2: cares about Jin. Now that's my thought, But Ashley walk

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Speaker 2: us through this date.

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Speaker 3: My biggest well the date was I don't even remember

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Speaker 3: what do they do? During the date, because all I'm

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Speaker 3: thinking of is that he was concerned the whole time

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Speaker 3: about their relationship being one sided and him being so

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Speaker 3: that she's not feeling the same way.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair like breakdown. Yeah, of the date,

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Speaker 2: but the date it was helicopter. Yeah, there's two waterfall dates,

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Speaker 2: very bachelor Bachelor esque date. Now, they did go to

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Speaker 2: a waterfall, beautiful views. Hawaii looks gorgeous, which none of

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Speaker 2: us are shocked by. It's a very beautiful place. They

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Speaker 2: have a really great evening or day together, and then

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Speaker 2: a really great evening up until the fact that I

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Speaker 2: think he is asking her pretty much, do you care

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Speaker 2: about me as much as I care about you? Because

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Speaker 2: I care about you a lot, Jen, and I want

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Speaker 2: you to know that. I want you to be like

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Speaker 2: very clear that I care about you, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Can you reciprocate that at all?

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Speaker 3: And her response, Ashley is her response is I want

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Speaker 3: to get there with Devin, but I'm not there yet,

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Speaker 3: which sounds a lot like the way that Marcus feels

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Speaker 3: towards Jem so kind of have like a love triang

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Speaker 3: go going on and then she's also like, Devin's giving

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Speaker 3: me like all the love, He's all in, He's everything

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Speaker 3: It's like, is it too good to be true? Am

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Speaker 3: I freaking myself out? My take on this is that

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Speaker 3: she likes Devens. She's if she's not there yet, she's

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Speaker 3: it's just sad. It's a sad reality that the two

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Speaker 3: at least he's the one that's bringing up the conversation about,

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Speaker 2: Is it interesting to you at all? Because it was

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Speaker 2: to me that Yes, I think it's very clear where

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Speaker 2: I'd say both Jonathan and Marcus. But it's very clear

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Speaker 2: and it does feel like the reaction the next morning

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Speaker 2: based on experience, if she's conflicted, which it feels like

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Speaker 2: herself that next morning after who knows what they did

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Speaker 3: She said that weird thing. I was like, Jen, are

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Speaker 3: you not telling us something like have you been with

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Speaker 3: Pete Davidson? Are you just referring to the fact that

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Speaker 3: Pete Davidson gets a lot of hot women.

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Speaker 2: It's just weird. That was weird. But outside of that,

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Speaker 2: I would think that she would be a lot more

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Speaker 2: conflicted in her emotions the next morning, being like, wait,

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Speaker 2: that was awesome. That was great, like weted, we had

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Speaker 2: that would be my thought would be how that would transpire,

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Speaker 2: instead it feels like she's very free in thought, being like, no,

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Speaker 2: that was great, We're still good, Like I still I

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Speaker 2: can't tell my love him, you know what?

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Speaker 3: Ben you're watching it like a viewer, and I watched

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Speaker 3: it like being on the show, because okay, not to

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Speaker 2: No, you should put me down, tell me I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: So I was thinking about being in an interview after

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Speaker 3: I feel like I just I'm just gonna like say,

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Speaker 3: But in my gut, I just feel like there's something

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, it was amazing, it was so good.

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Speaker 2: So you think she was communicating there's something off.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think she was communicating it. I think

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Speaker 3: Just felt like it was one of those interviews where

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Speaker 2: Well, Devin's the big storyline this episode. I think, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, there is a scene of him probably self

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Speaker 2: Devon is absolutely let's just stick on Devon for this conversation. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the interview with Jesse at the bar was brutal. Jess,

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Speaker 2: my wife, who doesn't watch the show, was standing getting

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Speaker 2: send this poor kid home, Like what's what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Like let him go? Like he doesn't want to be there.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I actually agree with you, Hun, like

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Speaker 3: She's gonna she'll send him home.

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Speaker 2: Will she?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: Ash?

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Speaker 2: Because my thought here is is he the only one

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, Jonathan is. But I don't know that. He's like,

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Speaker 3: they're like proposed yet, Well was so crazy, and I

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Speaker 3: know we'll get to Marcus, but it's well, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: about it. She was like, hopefully Marcus he gets there

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Speaker 2: It's weird. It's like not, it's not how we expect.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I think our theory of this

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Speaker 2: and like nobody ends up together is probably still the

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Speaker 2: He is definitely third in this race, and he's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think she does see it as and you make

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Speaker 2: and she's like that makes sense, and I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: Devon stance, except I think Devon's feelings are a thousand

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Speaker 2: times more than mine.

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Speaker 3: So much more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and would you make it hard? It would make

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the fact that they didn't

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Speaker 2: I think Grant was just like a very clear choice.

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Speaker 2: I think if Grant doesn't exist on this show at

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Speaker 2: this time, I think Devon would be an interesting choice.

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Speaker 2: I still don't think you'd be it, Devin.

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Speaker 3: It was the actual, like besides Jen, who they did

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Speaker 2: I feel like definitely, I mean, at least the most

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Speaker 2: I think he would have a chance. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Devin Well. I think he's changed his

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Speaker 3: Him so interesting. I was telling Rachel last week, is

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Speaker 3: but like they showed different facets of his personality every episode. Sure,

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Speaker 3: and we liked him progressing progressively more.

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Speaker 2: week one I was like, oh, I'm like Devon's I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we ended up liking him, right.

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Speaker 2: I do think the thing that has made him the

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Speaker 2: Rumors upon rumors upon rumors say it might never come back.

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Speaker 3: Wait, what than just making up a rumor? Now, okay, Jonathan, Jonathan,

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Speaker 3: They took a break. Okay, they were on a break.

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Speaker 2: For the guy that wore the most cloth on night one.

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Speaker 2: Because he's standing there waiting for her when this date starts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just gotta be careful, like all of a

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Speaker 2: So Jonathan wears short shorts and tight T shirts and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so cute. Me and Ray she'll have swooned

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Speaker 2: There's nothing about Jonathan that is not likable except for

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Speaker 3: What he doesn't like the sweets, or that he's he'll

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Speaker 2: The just calls it like ice cream for dinner nights.

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Speaker 3: That's such a depressing life, like not let yourself have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ice cream, you know, ice cream for dinner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're fine, don't worry about it. So, but Jonathan

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Speaker 2: I personally think that Jonathan would have probably been the

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Speaker 2: I also think that Jonathan's getting the edit to be

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Speaker 3: Like Ben as somebody who thinks that Jonathan would be like,

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Speaker 3: I know, I do this all the time, and it's weird,

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Speaker 3: but I'm just gonna do it. Of the three of them,

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Speaker 3: Jonathan is the one that I would be most personally

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Speaker 3: interested in. However, you know, if I wasn't married and

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Speaker 2: Why is that? Tell me more?

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Speaker 3: Because Devin is obviously such a character and is so

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Speaker 3: and it seems like both those situations have so much

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Speaker 2: But what do you say that matches what I was saying,

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Speaker 3: He's definitely the one getting chosen to be hers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Day kind of flying nthe the radar the show loves,

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Speaker 2: you know, an underdog, loves the guy that's not the

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Speaker 3: No, what's making me feel this way is that, like, okay, so,

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Speaker 3: picture is clarifying to me. What's gonna happen in my

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Speaker 3: head is that the beginning of the next episode, Devin

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Speaker 3: will be sent home. During their conversation, she'll be left

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Speaker 3: don't know whether I don't know how early it'll be

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Speaker 3: Marcus is going to be like, I can't get there,

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Speaker 3: I don't actually I don't love her, and I need

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Speaker 2: So all the theories that are possible are so.

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Speaker 3: Then Jonathan will remain and she'll know that, like she's

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Speaker 3: not ready for a proposal with Jonathan, and then she

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Speaker 3: to propose, or that's probably the least that's probably the

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not, it's not at all.

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Speaker 3: No, Okay, so well, well then my other theory. The

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Speaker 3: Let's just date.

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Speaker 2: Devin is the only person who's tall enough to fit

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Ben, what you are doing some great

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Speaker 2: It's the only person, right, the only person then, if

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Speaker 3: You don't think she sends him home this week? You

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Speaker 2: See, I don't. I think. I don't know what happens

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Speaker 2: with him. He has to go home, he has to

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Speaker 2: that's it has to be Devon standing there. It has

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Speaker 3: I know where jebak ahead to the scenes to the

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Speaker 2: The That's fine because Mark, we've covered Mac.

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Speaker 3: We're kind of there. Okay. So it does say that

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because she's just basically pulling the brad walmack

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Speaker 2: I think she's staying to all three. I think I

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Speaker 2: It has I mean, I don't know who else that is,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not beneath or above, but not above

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Speaker 2: Not all, but that would be. My theory is that

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Speaker 2: Devin still somehow comes back to stand on that altar

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Speaker 2: Why not? Now? Why not? In this situation, Ben.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that Jonathan will get to the point

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Speaker 2: No, For whatever reason, they're not connecting with jen. I

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Speaker 2: It feels like her final three and maybe even her

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Speaker 3: Besides Devin.

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Speaker 2: Besides Devin, I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's just get a little bit deeper into the

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Speaker 2: Off, let me answer the question, do you ask? I

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Speaker 2: told Marcus was you have to be honest with her

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Speaker 2: do think I can get there, I don't think they

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00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: would say, like, figure out a way to make this

439
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: story so good that like really wraps her heart up

440
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: and then choose her up and then we then she's fine,

441
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: she heals No, I just said, hey, Marcus, be yourself,

442
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: and he was. And I think he did it for

443
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: I think he did it well, not meaning to be

444
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: enjoyable for television, but he was.

445
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: It's because you went on and on and on and

446
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: it did sound good. And then all of a sudden,

447
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: to those of you who didn't watch the episode, when

448
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm referring to is this all he's like, is like,

449
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: you know what Jen like, I'm just not there.

450
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm not in love yet. I'm not in love yet.

451
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: I really want to be in love, but I'm not there.

452
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 3: Maybe I can get there by the end. But then

453
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he's like, maybe I can get

454
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: there by the end of the week. I want to

455
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: keep trying. And the fact that Jen, in reference to

456
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: her feelings towards Devin and Marcus in reference to his

457
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: feelings towards Jen, keep saying that they're trying to fall

458
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: in love just makes me feel weird. There should be

459
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: no trying and falling in love except for I'm also

460
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: totally stupid for saying that because Jared had said the

461
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: same sort of things.

462
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: So Jess and I had this stuff well sure, until

463
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: you guys really took it serious. But Jess and I

464
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: talked about it last night and I was like, when

465
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: did you know you're in love with me? She's like,

466
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: probably from our first conversation. And I was like, no,

467
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: that's stupid, right, Like She's like, no, I knew from

468
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: our first conversation that I didn't want to stop talking

469
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: to you, and then over time I realized that was love.

470
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: But there was never this moment of like trying to

471
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: fall in love with you. And I was like, that

472
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: makes sense because with hers not this different or the same.

473
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: It was my first date with her that we had

474
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: in person. I was like, this girl, I'm I don't

475
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: ever want to not see this person in my life now.

476
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was love necessarily, but I was like,

477
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: I want to talk to her tomorrow. I want to

478
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: talk to her in the next hour. I want to

479
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: see her again, I want to hold her. All these

480
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: things right, and I think the idea. I think I'm

481
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: cool with all this, like I'm falling in love or

482
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm almost in love and all those I'm fine with

483
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: all that language. What I'm not okay with is the

484
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to fall in love. That feels

485
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: weird to me.

486
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: That's what feels weird because Jared and I is very similar.

487
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: For me. I think I may have been like, give

488
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: me more. I wanted more chances, but it wasn't a

489
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: try thing because the chances I needed more time, but

490
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't time. It wasn't like with the effort of trying.

491
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's something about that word try, because

492
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: I wanted more time to show him all the sides

493
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: of me, because I knew at a point that I

494
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: just wasn't comfortable. I was so nervous around him that

495
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 3: I needed more time to show myself.

496
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: Because you're just showing your crazy side.

497
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I just there is a difference here,

498
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: and it just feels weird that everybody's trying to.

499
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: Fall it does. It feels forced, which I don't think

500
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: in all the non education I have on love, love

501
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: has never been something to be forced Yeah, it's never

502
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: been something to be manipulated. It's never been an attempt

503
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: in a sense, it's like one of the magical, like sacred,

504
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: spiritual moments of life, where like it kind of happens

505
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: in moments where you least expect it and you least

506
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: maybe even desire it. But the idea that you've known

507
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: this girl for this song, that you've had the experiences

508
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: you've had with this girl, and now you're sitting at

509
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: a place being like, yeah, but we're coming to the end.

510
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: I know what the end means, means I need to

511
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: be in love to make this thing happen, and so

512
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: now I need to try to get there is wild

513
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: to me. You should just be eliminiting yourself. It's why

514
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: I've always said with this show, Ashley, I'm okay with

515
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 2: a season that ends with no proposal. Do I want it? No,

516
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: I want to see a happy ending, But I'm okay

517
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: with it because I know it's authentic and true.

518
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. And are you referring to them just ending up

519
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: alone or them ending up like saying let's just date?

520
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah both your way? Yeah, either way, Like, let's just go,

521
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: let's move forward in the best way. Possible for everybody.

522
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: If it means we end up alone, great the Senate work.

523
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: That's sad for all the viewership, Like it's sad for

524
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: the lead. It just didn't work. Yeah, Like that's okay.

525
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean anything's wrong with Jin. It just means that

526
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: her guy wasn't there. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with

527
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: the guys. It just means that they weren't into Gin.

528
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: What I want to see in this show is authenticity.

529
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: I want to cheer for the story, not the outcome,

530
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: the story wherever it leads us. If I would if

531
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: at the end I'm SAgs, I'm like, gosh, Gin's going

532
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: to be leaving this thing being like yeah, Like I mean,

533
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: I as the lead, I know if I would have

534
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: left this the show without any connections, I'd be like, yeah,

535
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: something's definitely wrong with me. Like this proves it right, Everybody,

536
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: Like something's wrong with me. And I don't know what

537
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: that is necessarily, but something's wrong with me.

538
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: No. No, what I would think is, yeah, I was

539
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: given thirty random people and none of them. Of course

540
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: my person wasn't in that. Statistically speaking, yeah, that person

541
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: wasn't there, and that makes.

542
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: Sense authentic if I was authentic with my season, and

543
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: I would have had foresight, right, Like, the authentic outcome

544
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: for the season I was on would have been nobody.

545
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: Like I would have walked away from that thing and

546
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: been like, it didn't work because my wife was not there.

547
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: The love of my life was not in that mansion

548
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: on night one, and that's okay, right, Like that works out,

549
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: that's fine. Like that would have been okay. It didn't

550
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: play out that way because of other factors and just

551
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: the fact that, like maybe you don't have foresight and

552
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: you think you know what you're doing and you don't.

553
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: All those things I play into it. But what I

554
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: want to see is authenticity, and I think this season

555
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: is going to show us that, and I think we

556
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: have to be supportive of that.

557
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: Oh totally. It's almost almost refreshing because, like you said,

558
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: it's authentic.

559
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's authentic because these guys are saying, Hey, Jen,

560
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: no matter how much the producers try to get me there,

561
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm not there.

562
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

563
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: And Devin's going, hey, no matter how much a producer

564
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: are telling me to not talk about this, I love

565
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: you so much. And she's gonna have to go yeah,

566
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: but I don't and that's gonna be hard for her,

567
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: but she's gonna do it. Why because they're authentic to

568
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: where they're at right now.

569
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like we're due for a season like this.

570
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so.

571
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: And if it didn't happen like that, and she and

572
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: if it doesn't happen like that, because again Ben and

573
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: I aren't spoiled, we actually don't know what's happening, even

574
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: though we do speak on the podcast as if we know.

575
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: For us, I'm not so confident. I'm so.

576
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: If she were to end up with somebody, it would

577
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: be so forced that they would obviously end up breaking up.

578
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: They would have probably ended up broken up by the

579
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: time the you know, after the final Rose airs, and

580
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: that would be way more disappointing than the authenticity of

581
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: her leaving with no one.

582
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: At this point, I have it compare to a couple

583
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: Charity and Dotton.

584
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you spend time with them this week.

585
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: I was just with them. That couple loves each other

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: and they've been through some stuff like you can listen

587
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: to our show that we're gonna come out with With

588
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: two of them, it sounds like minor things like Dance

589
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: with the Stars and being in La and all that stuff.

590
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: Those are big deals to them as a couple. Right.

591
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: It meant moving, it meant change of jobs, it meant

592
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: lack of stability, It meant you know, one person being

593
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: gone all the time. And you know what they did

594
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: at the end of it, They went to couples counseling.

595
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: They talk about it. This isn't me sharing something they

596
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: don't talk about. And at the and of like, as

597
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: they go through that, they're like, I love you so much,

598
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Like nothing's gonna come in the way of us as

599
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: a couple. That that is something we should celebrate. That

600
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: is a moment from the show that we're like, it worked. However,

601
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: we should also celebrate the moments of the show where

602
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, it didn't work, that's okay, totally.

603
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: All right, Well guys, uh, we have men tell all

604
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: which you know Ben and I love not really.

605
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: It's just gonna be a sam m bash. He's gonna

606
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: look terrible. I already know it. Everybody's gonna be like, dude,

607
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: you're crazy. It's actually gonna be the sam Bash. Sam

608
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: In and sam m are gonna walk out of the

609
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: thing being like, yeah, nobody liked me.

610
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: Okay, but also, Ben, do this right now because I

611
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: want to watch your reaction. Go to sam EN's Instagram.

612
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: He has the funniest real out his dad. Okay, hold on, okay,

613
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: right here. It has sixty one million views, more views

614
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: by tens of millions than my highest viewed reel of

615
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: all time. It looks like this. Go to his reels

616
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: and then it's his point of view using the bathroom

617
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: right after your dad, His poor dad. It's so funny.

618
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: His dad was in on it. Come on, look at

619
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: this man's face.

620
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: No, it's great.

621
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: All right, guys, go to Sam and you out there now.

622
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: Go to Sam's Instagram and click this reel of it

623
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: says point of view using the bathroom right after your dad.

624
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: It's so funny. And he has a lot of reels

625
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: that are funny and they're very self aware and self deprecating.

626
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: And it makes me like, yeah, because I just see

627
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: him saying starboy and blessed and I see one and

628
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: it says like, for me, I think this dude's trying

629
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: really hard.

630
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: He might be trying really hard because he's like, you know,

631
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: a bachelor guy on Instagram. But there was some that

632
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: was like the Persian kid who gets like a glow

633
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: up and like they show, he shows old photos of himself.

634
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wants a d n fabudy comment about

635
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: how good looking he is. Now, that's not him being

636
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: self deprecating. That's him trying to build himself up, which

637
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: is cool too. Go do a buddy if you need it,

638
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: but like, let's not call it self deprecating.

639
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you're right, Ben, but in his Instagram

641
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: they'd be like him a little bit more. That's all

642
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: I gotta say. That's all I'm saying. It certainly didn't

643
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: win Ben over. We'll see how he is on mentel All,

644
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: all right, so we yeah, we'll recap mentel All, even

645
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: though it's our least favorite to recap, and that is

646
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: almost see you next.

647
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see it then. Until then, By the way,

648
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: we have some great content coming from San franc to

649
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: be airing all week, some really incredible interviews, so make

650
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: sure you tune in and listen. We'll be here from

651
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: mentel All. We'll break it down, we'll watch it. We'll

652
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: make sure it's all, you know, tight and kept up

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Speaker 2: for all the listeners. It's not our favorite episode because

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Speaker 2: I do think it's just a bash, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's great and only it's fun. It's not fun

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Speaker 2: to watch, it's not fun to be a part of.

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna happen because the show is gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: Nothing ever comes of it. It's just a rehash of

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Speaker 3: what we already saw.

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Speaker 2: So the rehash the moment to make a statement for Paradise,

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Speaker 2: which Ashley thinks is coming back. So until next time,

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Speaker 2: I've been Ben.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, when we turn off this, Mike, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna tell me why you're so convinced that it's not.

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Speaker 3: Also really glad that with mentel all we have a

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Speaker 3: little part of Devin attached to it, so that'll make

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Speaker 3: the episode worth it. Bye, guys, I've been Ashley.

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