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Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realist, if you're hearing this the evening it publishes,
Speaker 3: let us be the first to welcome you to Monday,
Speaker 3: December ninth, twenty twenty four. It's the last month of
Speaker 3: this calendar. And oh man, so much stuff is happening,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you guys heard. You know,
Speaker 3: the the employment market is really tough these days all around,
Speaker 3: but not just for employees. It turns out that it
Speaker 3: is tough for some employers as well, especially the intelligence
Speaker 3: agencies in Britain and Australia, who, for the life of them,
Speaker 3: cannot seem to hire enough spies.
Speaker 5: Would you say it's hard out here for a pimp,
Speaker 5: I'd say it's hard out here for a spook.
Speaker 3: Spook being, of course, an old school trade craft slang
Speaker 3: for people active in espionage in some way.
Speaker 5: Oh you know what, Bet, one of the podcasts I
Speaker 5: really like of the watch They just did an episode
Speaker 5: asking the question are we in a gold a new
Speaker 5: golden age of spy shows? And I think you and
Speaker 5: I would both probably argue yes, being fans of slow
Speaker 5: horse horses. And I've been watching this show, this Taylor
Speaker 5: Sheridan show Lioness, which is absolutely fantastic. And there's another
Speaker 5: one called I think The Agency or something like that
Speaker 5: with oh, gosh, what's the guy's name.
Speaker 4: Garret No, Gary oldman.
Speaker 3: They could always be goold. You never really could.
Speaker 5: Michael Fastbender, there's a news but in a new spy
Speaker 5: series with him in it. But for me, Lioness and
Speaker 5: slow Horses absolutely incredible. So yeah, it may be hard
Speaker 5: out there. I r l for a spy, but they're
Speaker 5: really getting a lot of love in the fictional world.
Speaker 3: And as we'll see later, that leads into an excellent
Speaker 3: exploration bittersweet exploration of nostalgia shared a pretty scant link,
Speaker 3: but the discourse about this is great. Just so everybody
Speaker 3: knows it turns out that security folks and spy agencies
Speaker 3: in the anglosphere overall are once again encountering UH, an
Speaker 3: issue that we talked about in the past, which is UH.
Speaker 3: You guys will remember a few years back we had
Speaker 3: we had a little bit of hilarious schadenfreud when we
Speaker 3: noted that various US intelligence agencies were falling behind in
Speaker 3: the cyber warfare game because all the good hackers smoke
Speaker 3: weed exactly. I remember that.
Speaker 5: They had to walk it back though, right They said,
Speaker 5: you know what, We're going to give these hackers a pass.
Speaker 5: Let them have their weed, let them eat their cake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they let it fade from the headlines, and then
Speaker 3: they bent the rules a little bit, which not all
Speaker 3: agencies can do. This story about spy shortages is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: It's an ongoing thing, but it's just a mention because
Speaker 3: we have so much other stuff to get to. There
Speaker 3: was almost a coup in South Korea just yesterday for
Speaker 3: about four hours. There are asteroids they're going to in
Speaker 3: the world. Oxford, the boffins over there have weighed in
Speaker 3: with some incredible new picks for Word of the Year.
Speaker 3: A favorite thing for US et homology fans somebody might
Speaker 3: ban kim trails. There's so much stuff.
Speaker 4: What it finally gosh, I mean, let's take him in
Speaker 4: so long.
Speaker 2: We're going to cover all of these things and even more.
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Speaker 3: And we have returned before we get into bitter sweet nostalgia.
Speaker 3: Something on the mind of many of our fellow conspiracy
Speaker 3: realists hanging out on our strange news segment tonight. We
Speaker 3: heard you Facebook friends, we heard you emailers, we heard you.
Speaker 3: People were calling in with voicemail, all asking the same question,
Speaker 3: what's going on with these drones monitoring US air bases
Speaker 3: in England? You guys heard about this, right.
Speaker 2: No, sir, Yeah, but I do not have answers?
Speaker 6: Have you? What have you found? Been?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Here we go, guys. So drone incursions, by which we
Speaker 3: mean unidentified, clearly remotely piloted vehicles monitoring airspace and rooting
Speaker 3: into usually pretty secure airspace. This has occurred at three
Speaker 3: different US air bases in the United Kingdom. With all
Speaker 3: due respect to the Empire, I still think British names
Speaker 3: for places are kind of funny. Raf Mildenhall, raf Locknheath,
Speaker 3: and ourf felt well felt well. All between the space
Speaker 3: of just a few days November twentieth to twenty second,
Speaker 3: there were droughts. They weren't committing aggressive actions, but they
Speaker 3: were definitely not supposed to be there, and no one
Speaker 3: is sure what is happening. We also know civilians have
Speaker 3: reported seeing quote, triangle shaped aerial vehicles that were noisy,
Speaker 3: had lights And if you lived near an air force
Speaker 3: base like this or any kind of military installation, let's
Speaker 3: be honest, you're used to see stuff in the sky.
Speaker 5: Guys, don't you more and more feel like a lot
Speaker 5: of maybe this is old beans here, but that a
Speaker 5: lot of reports of unidentified aerial phenomenon historically have been
Speaker 5: sightings of these types of technologies that the public was
Speaker 5: just not aware of yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, that's something that often happens. And
Speaker 3: then later as the foyer requests go through or voluntary declassification,
Speaker 3: we see that there's usually a man made answer or
Speaker 3: a meteorological answer to a lot of things. We're not
Speaker 3: saying that all UAP are explained, because otherwise they would
Speaker 3: just be AP.
Speaker 5: And I only say that just because of the triangular
Speaker 5: nature that just seems to be you know, in a
Speaker 5: lot of those reports, and now we're starting to become
Speaker 5: more aware of this technology that it exists and often
Speaker 5: is triangular boom.
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about highly advanced classified aircraft that's
Speaker 2: being tested, we're probably I'm imagining, not testing those aircraft
Speaker 2: in places where there are a ton of civilians around
Speaker 2: in a village nearby that can look up and go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a big old triangle in the sky that's dark gray,
Speaker 2: and I can I can tell I can hear the
Speaker 2: dang thing. You're probably not going to do that, right,
Speaker 2: You're going to have some kind of official craft that
Speaker 2: if someone calls in from the village there's you know,
Speaker 2: you could have a response as that air base and say, yes,
Speaker 2: there was a test in operation, there was a whatever
Speaker 2: occurring last night, and everything's cool.
Speaker 3: That's why you want, if you are an extra terrestrial,
Speaker 3: that's why you want to aim for isolated trailer somewhere
Speaker 3: in the desert and wait till your audience is about
Speaker 3: six Miller lights and then and then you fly through
Speaker 3: and you help Saturday Night Live write another abduction sketch.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess My only point is that's why the
Speaker 2: SR seventy one was successful. That's why the spy you know,
Speaker 2: all the original utuoe and all those things were successful
Speaker 2: because they did them in the desert, far far away
Speaker 2: where nobody could you know, call in the local police.
Speaker 3: At a very high altitude as well. Right, this this
Speaker 3: is interesting. Let me add a fourth base that has
Speaker 3: been monitored, RAF Fairford in southwestern England. The Air Force
Speaker 3: itself has not identified who they believed to be behind
Speaker 3: the incursions. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, there have been some
Speaker 3: things on the path toward explanation or at least elimination
Speaker 3: of sources. To your point, Matt, they do not believe
Speaker 3: these drones are operated by hobbyists, which is a fascinating
Speaker 3: statement because, as we'll recall, not too long ago, a
Speaker 3: Chinese student got busted in the United States for being
Speaker 3: a hobbyist who just happened to fly drone over one
Speaker 3: of the most sensitive military ports in the.
Speaker 5: Country like a kite, like you know, just for fun.
Speaker 3: Well me, I mess around you guys. Also, I'll take
Speaker 3: a one way ticket home.
Speaker 2: No problem, thank you. But in this case, you've got
Speaker 2: tons of witnesses, at least a handful of witnesses who
Speaker 2: are saying they're seeing these huge lights directly above controlled airspace, right,
Speaker 2: like there are runways over here by these air bases,
Speaker 2: and that airspace is so controlled that if you did
Speaker 2: have a hobbyist over there, that person is going to
Speaker 2: get in trouble like the example you just gave, and
Speaker 2: they're going to get.
Speaker 4: Caught, right.
Speaker 3: So what is the capability here now? Drones are They
Speaker 3: should be easy to track with this level of constant
Speaker 3: surveillance and scrutiny. So it is only logical to assume
Speaker 3: that some information is already known and has not been
Speaker 3: released to the public. Europe is very tense right now,
Speaker 3: and we do count the UK as part of Europe still,
Speaker 3: especially given speculation that they're quietly spinning up for the
Speaker 3: possibility of a continent wide conflict. And we know that
Speaker 3: a few other red strings before we move on, because
Speaker 3: this is an active investigation, we know a few other
Speaker 3: red strings, such as Lakenheath, the first base we mentioned
Speaker 3: is home to the forty eighth fighter Wing. This is
Speaker 3: what the US Air Force itself describes as the foundation
Speaker 3: of its combat capability in Europe. We don't know how
Speaker 3: many DHL packages they receive each day, just going to
Speaker 3: throw that one in there. So the question then to
Speaker 3: your earlier point Noll about man made technology being often
Speaker 3: the explanation behind these unidentified aerial phenomenon. It seems again
Speaker 3: that European authorities are quietly pointing to Russia, or they're
Speaker 3: quietly asking about Russian involvement or interest. If you happen
Speaker 3: to be a drone operator doing this, we'd love to
Speaker 3: hear from you. Will do our best to preserve your
Speaker 3: anonymity unless you're an absolute villain, but we will not
Speaker 3: sentence you to death. That is something that is happening
Speaker 3: now to a property tycoon in Vietnam. I kid you not.
Speaker 3: I don't know how widely this story is spread in
Speaker 3: the West, but a sixty eight year old property developer
Speaker 3: named Truong my Lun Pardner our Vietnamese pronunciation there has
Speaker 3: been convicted earlier this year of ripping off the Saigon
Speaker 3: Commercial Bank, which is a very powerful financial institution. She
Speaker 3: has been sentenced to death for fraud running to a
Speaker 3: total of twenty seven billion US dollars.
Speaker 4: WHOA Yeah.
Speaker 3: She appealed, the verdict was unsuccessful and the Vietnamese court
Speaker 3: system cut her a deal. They said, look, this islan
Speaker 3: if you give us nine billion dollars, then we will
Speaker 3: let you live.
Speaker 4: We'll give you a pass.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's sort of like a not a devil's bar. Again,
Speaker 5: what do you call that the Sophie's choice.
Speaker 4: No, it's not even that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just sort of like an unwinnable proposition, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because then also you're admitting to the crime.
Speaker 5: And is the implication that this person just has nine
Speaker 5: billions squirreled away?
Speaker 2: Yes, it is okay, well more that she has like
Speaker 2: a twelve billion. Yeah, they're askually for three quarters, right right.
Speaker 4: It seems like a deal. Then if I were three quarters.
Speaker 3: Of the twelve billion they think she has somewhere at Coff, Switzerland. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's confusing because the twenty seven billion dollar fraud
Speaker 3: verdict is based also partially on the money lost by
Speaker 3: the Saigone bank. The twelve billion is what they thought
Speaker 3: she took just as vigorous. I don't know's it seems
Speaker 3: like a deal. And it might be strange for many
Speaker 3: of us outside of Vietnam to hear that kind of
Speaker 3: eleventh hour execution offer, you know what I mean. Usually
Speaker 3: here in the United States, it's not as blatant. No
Speaker 3: one is saying, hey, we're going to execute you or
Speaker 3: you know, just pay us.
Speaker 5: We don't really execute people for financial crimes in the
Speaker 5: United States either.
Speaker 3: Right, No, they commit suicide in prison.
Speaker 4: Also true.
Speaker 5: And just to be clear, Ben, this is billion US correct, Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is usd We're giving you the US dollar equivalent.
Speaker 6: For all.
Speaker 3: So for all the big fans of the American currency system,
Speaker 3: these are real billions walking down the three.
Speaker 4: For that one.
Speaker 3: And speaking of money, I think we all saw it.
Speaker 3: There is a new gold rush that's happening. It's not
Speaker 3: happening here, but it's happening in China, and gentlemen, I
Speaker 3: will pose it there may be a bit of a
Speaker 3: conspiracy of foot Have we heard about the super Giant
Speaker 3: gold deposit? Not yet, just a bit.
Speaker 4: I like the name already.
Speaker 5: Anything with super in front of it's got my attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. I also like it when people
Speaker 3: add mega to.
Speaker 5: Stuff megafauna big fan, oh yeah, huge fan, literally huge fans.
Speaker 3: And so this comes to us from our friend Harry Baker,
Speaker 3: writing for Live Science. Scientists in China have allegedly purportedly
Speaker 3: uncovered what they call a super giant deposit of high
Speaker 3: quality gold ore hidden near some of the existing gold
Speaker 3: mines in the country. This is, if true, this is
Speaker 3: the largest single reservoir of gold left any on Earth.
Speaker 3: It's worth billions of dollars. I was discovered by representatives
Speaker 3: from the Geological Bureau of Hunan Province. We're not exactly
Speaker 3: clear when they discovered it, but they went public November
Speaker 3: twentieth and they said, look, we found more than forty
Speaker 3: veins of gold. This is probably three hundred metric tons
Speaker 3: down to a depth of two thousand meters. They use
Speaker 3: some smart light ar and some three D mapping.
Speaker 5: Scrooge McDuck would have a blast swimming around in that
Speaker 5: bad boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this would mean a couple of interesting things. But
Speaker 3: before we get to my favorite pet conspiracy theory for this,
Speaker 3: do you guys think the story is legit?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting and maybe completely made up?
Speaker 4: What would be the purpose?
Speaker 5: There is a destabilization effort?
Speaker 4: What do you think it's It's a pump.
Speaker 2: It's a pump and a dump pumping, a dump pumping
Speaker 2: the price of gold.
Speaker 4: Baby, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Because they're saying there might be a thousand metric tons
Speaker 2: down there. And all of a sudden, the speculation that
Speaker 2: all this new gold is going to be hitting the system.
Speaker 5: Letting the market, right yeah, And also okay, so that's one.
Speaker 3: That's one of the two things. The second thing is
Speaker 3: that if you need to launder money or you need
Speaker 3: to you know, pass value in some form internationally, and
Speaker 3: you want to get around those pesky sanctions, especially if
Speaker 3: you got a good geopolitical buddy who is hard up
Speaker 3: for some scratch, then all of a sudden discovery this
Speaker 3: massive stockpile could be immensely advantageous. Just a coincidence, right,
Speaker 3: Like my old one of my creepy old statistics professor said,
Speaker 3: I think we told this story on air before. This
Speaker 3: guy was such a such a bad as. He sat
Speaker 3: us down and he said, look, this institution requires me
Speaker 3: to give you a minimum of three papers to show
Speaker 3: that you understand statistical models. Your real assignment is due
Speaker 3: at any point in this course. Prove to me a
Speaker 3: coincidence and you will all fail.
Speaker 4: And he was right, can you prove a coincidence?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's his That was his one hand clapping moment.
Speaker 5: And I think Si SEROMNAMUSI something very smart guy worked
Speaker 5: with DARPA on again.
Speaker 3: Creepy stuff. But here's what I'm thinking, guys. I'm thinking, one,
Speaker 3: this deposit is real. I'm thinking too, the timing is tricky.
Speaker 3: The timing is convenient, let's say, because given the we'll
Speaker 3: get to China in and a couple other stories later
Speaker 3: this week, but given the definite tension in the world
Speaker 3: right now, it is completely possible again logically, to have
Speaker 3: known about this deposit and waited for the right time
Speaker 3: to quote unquote find it to the world. And then also, yeah,
Speaker 3: this would collapse the gold market if it all came
Speaker 3: out at once.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is fascinating. It makes me think of
Speaker 2: our brief discussion on tariffs a little while back and
Speaker 2: just some of the rhetoric around that stuff, and then
Speaker 2: China's announcement I want to say very recently about banning gallium,
Speaker 2: germanium and antimony.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2: It looks like antimony, like something you'd pay after a divorce,
Speaker 2: but are the opposite of it. But these are like thing.
Speaker 2: These are precious metals, minerals that China exports like forty
Speaker 2: eight percent, or the United States imports like forty eight percent.
Speaker 2: Of them right from China, and if you had, if
Speaker 2: the US all of a sudden announces, hey, we found
Speaker 2: this huge deposit of Germanium somewhere, I could see that
Speaker 2: as the same kind of political maneuvering you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, whatever happened to that old conspiracy chestnut of like,
Speaker 5: China has so much US currency and reserve that if
Speaker 5: they released it it would devalue the US dollar to
Speaker 5: an alarming or catastrophic degree. This just reminds me of
Speaker 5: that type of maneuver. Did that prove to be true
Speaker 5: in some respect or was that kind of a lot
Speaker 5: of horsepucky.
Speaker 3: It is true in some respects, and you can see
Speaker 3: it not just in hard currency, but you can see
Speaker 3: it in rare earth metals or minerals. You can also
Speaker 3: see it in surprisingly the pork industry, which will come
Speaker 3: up later this week. There's definitely a geopolitical standoff because
Speaker 3: China and the United States have financially and economically for
Speaker 3: some time been in a codependent, somewhat toxic relationship. To
Speaker 3: be honest, Uh, it's it's nuts. Well, maybe it's an
Speaker 3: episode in the future. We'll see how much gold they
Speaker 3: actually find or actually retrieve we'll also, uh, maybe we'll
Speaker 3: get to the South Korean coup right now before we
Speaker 3: go to a break, there is a surprisingly poignant story
Speaker 3: about orcas bringing back Sam and hats, So stay tuned.
Speaker 3: At the end, when we do our CTAs, we'll give
Speaker 3: a brief shout out to that. In the meantime, let's
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Speaker 5: And we have returned with some more strange news for
Speaker 5: your conspiracy seeking ears.
Speaker 4: Got two fun ones today. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 5: Let's start with you tease both of these, ben, but
Speaker 5: I'll start with the idea of outlying tres this m yeah,
Speaker 5: well exactly.
Speaker 4: This might give you.
Speaker 5: Pause out there in conspiracy realist land because you're like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, hasn't the existence of kem trails almost
Speaker 5: entirely been debunked And aren't they actually just colm trails,
Speaker 5: you know, con trails, rather from you know, planes dumping
Speaker 5: fuel and emergency situations or vapor trails, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Right, just can we get that out of the way.
Speaker 4: We're here real quick, guys.
Speaker 5: What has become of the old kem trails conspiracy theory?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: If the word debunked is sensitive for some people or
Speaker 3: sounds dismissive. Let's use the lighter synonym explained. Keem trails
Speaker 3: have been largely explained. Are the things purported to have
Speaker 3: been kim trails. We do know, as you can find
Speaker 3: in our in our book we made a while back.
Speaker 3: We do know that there is a grain of truth
Speaker 3: to the idea of widespread aerosol dispersion. However, the primary,
Speaker 3: like the crux in the heart of a chemtrail conspiracy,
Speaker 3: is that it's actively happening to poison the bodies or
Speaker 3: the minds of unknowing civilians. That appears to be the
Speaker 3: game of telephone.
Speaker 5: Here you go, Yes, thank you, Ben beautifully explained, and
Speaker 5: that is exactly my understanding as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: It would seem that that is not the understanding of
Speaker 5: a Republican senator State Senator from Miami, Ileana Garcia, who recently.
Speaker 4: Filed a bill SB fifty six to.
Speaker 5: Repeal long standing Florida statutes allowing for state licensed cloud
Speaker 5: seating and also quote unquote artificial weather interference other forms,
Speaker 5: and to ban any such measures in the future. Okay,
Speaker 5: let's parse this a little bit. We do know that
Speaker 5: cloud seating is very much real. It is a thing
Speaker 5: that has been practiced with varying degrees of success for
Speaker 5: a very long time. I believed since the Night teen fifties.
Speaker 5: It's a way of shooting materials chemicals up into the
Speaker 5: clouds that believe largely salt, in order to add moisture
Speaker 5: to create or reduce things like fog, snow, hail, and rain.
Speaker 5: We have also seen this kind of technology, I believe
Speaker 5: we saw it used in one of the Olympic opening ceremonies.
Speaker 5: Bent was that in Beijing, exactly in order to create
Speaker 5: a spectacle. There was certainly some you know, chatter around
Speaker 5: that that it was sort of a show of force
Speaker 5: or a show of an ability to do a thing
Speaker 5: greater than had been achieved prior. You know, Make of
Speaker 5: that what you will. The United Arab Emirates has also
Speaker 5: used electricity in order to cause rainfall, starting in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one. Germany has also used technology involving infrared laser
Speaker 5: pulses as far as recently as twenty ten, So this
Speaker 5: is very interesting.
Speaker 4: Obviously, this comes in the.
Speaker 5: Wake of horrific disasters, weather related disasters that have truly
Speaker 5: aft many parts of the country, including our fair state
Speaker 5: of Georgia, including parts of North Carolina, Asheville, Chimney Rock,
Speaker 5: places that were more or less wiped off of the
Speaker 5: map by the recent weather events. And as a result
Speaker 5: of that, there was a lot of chatter again about
Speaker 5: how this may well have been the result of weather tampering,
Speaker 5: weather modification technology that was perpetrated by the government for
Speaker 5: political reasons. You know, I always was a little unclear
Speaker 5: as to why, you know, the government would want to
Speaker 5: do something like this.
Speaker 4: Is it to create a need? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Can we talk about that real quick, guys, Do you
Speaker 5: have any thoughts? You know, if we were to lend
Speaker 5: some credence to these conspiracy theories, why would a country,
Speaker 5: a government want to enact this type of weather modification
Speaker 5: in order to absolutely screw over its own citizens.
Speaker 4: Is it to create a need?
Speaker 5: Is it to create a situation where there's panic and
Speaker 5: the government can then step in and do whatever they want.
Speaker 5: We're just thought experimenting here for a second, guys.
Speaker 2: Well, there are several theories or reasonings behind it that
Speaker 2: I've seen. One is that it was something to the
Speaker 2: effect of whether modification was carried out by the United
Speaker 2: States via some kind of weird radar technology that I
Speaker 2: don't fully understand, to basically shape the way the storm
Speaker 2: formed and where the hurricanes ended up landing and dumping
Speaker 2: all of that water and causing all the havoc with
Speaker 2: the wind. And it was the purpose, at least that
Speaker 2: we discussed on this show, was to end up making
Speaker 2: that land unusable, making all of the buildings flattened to
Speaker 2: the point where an insurance payout for basically entire towns
Speaker 2: or entire areas and regions would be untenable. So the
Speaker 2: government would step in and say we'll buy this instead,
Speaker 2: and Penny's on the dollar exactly. And the reasoning behind
Speaker 2: to that whole thing that is all speculation, is that
Speaker 2: there is stuff underneath that land that was desirable for
Speaker 2: the US specifically. I think I can't remember exactly which
Speaker 2: mineral it was, but it was something very precious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like lithium. I think, yes, it was lithium. Lithium
Speaker 3: was one. It's a shame it wasn't germanium or gallium, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: But but the other the other reasoning Noel there was
Speaker 2: that it wasn't actually the United States government, it was
Speaker 2: another government somehow making use of US technology or infrastructure
Speaker 2: to do the wet weather modification, or it was done
Speaker 2: by some other you know country to send hurricanes towards us.
Speaker 2: But again, we just have to say fully speculation, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense personally to me.
Speaker 3: No, I like how straightforward it is as a plan.
Speaker 5: It is that straightforward kind of conspiracy evil. You know
Speaker 5: that that just feels a little too on the nose, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean I'm saying this.
Speaker 3: What what I love about this one as a as
Speaker 3: an enthusiast is the the idea that there's a cabal
Speaker 3: of hostile foreign powers. That part is true, that's not anure.
Speaker 3: And and they're steepling their fingers again anti burn style,
Speaker 3: and they're say, you know, we could just bomb the place.
Speaker 3: And then someone turns around in a swivel chair and goes,
Speaker 3: what if let's make it complicated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, yeah, we didn't cause a hurricane obviously,
Speaker 2: I mean it is a little more easily.
Speaker 5: Well, it also feels like a good sort of fall
Speaker 5: guy type explanation for climate change not being real.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's also that's that's a good point. It's
Speaker 3: also a great way to get votes from a specific
Speaker 3: demograph that will largely not be concerned about other policy
Speaker 3: that you want to put through. And I believe nol
Speaker 3: this is a Miami State senator.
Speaker 5: That's right, right, Yeah, that's right, Miami store fifty Iliana
Speaker 5: Garcia State Bill fifty six. It would repeal more than
Speaker 5: a dozen pre existing provisions on the books that do
Speaker 5: allow for some of this type of weather modification. It
Speaker 5: would prohibit the injection, release, or dispersion of any substance
Speaker 5: or apparatus into the atmosphere within Florida's borders quote for
Speaker 5: the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or
Speaker 5: the intensity of sunlight. And again, I'm not trying to
Speaker 5: completely clown this person, because we do know that this
Speaker 5: cloud seating stuff does exist. But if you take a
Speaker 5: look at their social media presence, they do often reference
Speaker 5: things like chemtrails and the conspiracies relating to that they
Speaker 5: do kind of seem to go in for some of
Speaker 5: these ways modification cabal type conspiracies. They even referenced a
Speaker 5: list that NOAA published library catalog of one twenty six
Speaker 5: entries of weather modification. However, this list does exclusively contain
Speaker 5: references to instances of cloud seating that technology that is
Speaker 5: very old and tried and true.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, here's the real quick to interject, here's
Speaker 3: something that we have to say. Just the level set
Speaker 3: this is. I don't want us to lose this line.
Speaker 3: This is important to remember. Shout out workaholics. The government
Speaker 3: of Florida does or has allowed for weather modification. To
Speaker 3: your point, that might be surprising to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: But the second point, which is not being explored as
Speaker 3: often as it should, is the old concept of the
Speaker 3: tragedy of the commons. All weather, in every part of
Speaker 3: the world is a is one small piece of a
Speaker 3: asked into related system. You cannot pull one string without
Speaker 3: creating tension or even breaking strings in other parts of
Speaker 3: the system that you may not see. You may also
Speaker 3: may not recognize the effects of futtson with this system
Speaker 3: for years. Right, Oh, dred percent.
Speaker 5: I think the cloud seating stuff is bizarre and and
Speaker 5: any kind of these sort of playing god type chemical
Speaker 5: interventions whatever, I'm always a little suspect of sure.
Speaker 2: But what if there is a viable way to defend
Speaker 2: against an incoming hurricane or a system?
Speaker 5: I love that idea, like in Twister too, you know, like.
Speaker 2: To prevent a storm from forming funnel.
Speaker 5: Breaking it out in some way, shooting it with something
Speaker 5: that cause it to disperse.
Speaker 2: Right, I guess just what I mean is should we
Speaker 2: humans not pursue I think we should.
Speaker 4: It's such a good point.
Speaker 3: It's being pursued. The issue is because specifically in the
Speaker 3: case of a hurricane, right, or typhoon, depending on where
Speaker 3: you are in the world, specifically in that they are
Speaker 3: caused by not one single factor, so you would have
Speaker 3: to mitigate for multiple factors, things like ocean temperature. Right,
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the big boys. Yes, and then
Speaker 3: that's what.
Speaker 5: Causes them to kind of spin up and like really
Speaker 5: like pick up steam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just so, and nerdles yeah sorry, And you would
Speaker 3: also need to triangulate your your approach vectors, probably from
Speaker 3: several different locations, right, because it's a problem to the
Speaker 3: humans when it hits land, right, when it hits human habitation,
Speaker 3: But the problem starts out in the ocean. There are
Speaker 3: a ton of humans, so right, you'd have to find
Speaker 3: the order of operations.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a really good point, Ben, And also something
Speaker 5: that is referenced in the Hollywood masterpiece Twisters, where it
Speaker 5: really shows that the prediction of these types of storms.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of kind of ghost whispering type of
Speaker 5: skills that go into it in terms of knowing what
Speaker 5: to look for, kind of seeing literally which way the
Speaker 5: wind is blowing. And it requires intuition in some ways
Speaker 5: more than it even requires science in the very early
Speaker 5: stages as to know which one's going to be the
Speaker 5: big one, and then which one follow and which one
Speaker 5: to attack with this type of technology, were it to exist.
Speaker 3: And shout out to everybody who like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think we can see it now. I too, was disappointed
Speaker 3: to learn that Twisters as a franchise is about natural disasters.
Speaker 3: I was hoping it was about the board game Gone Wrong,
Speaker 3: which I still think is a great film idea.
Speaker 5: Oh I think if it isn't out there, it absolutely
Speaker 5: should be, no question about it. It could also be about
Speaker 5: titty twisters, the weapon of bullies, middle school bullies since
Speaker 5: time memorial.
Speaker 6: The trick is to learn to like it's.
Speaker 4: Okay, really good, Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 5: You can give me some really beautiful visuals here banging
Speaker 5: around in the old brain place. I gotta say, really quickly, though,
Speaker 5: I think this went on a little longer than I expected.
Speaker 4: It is a very interesting conversation.
Speaker 5: There is you know, obviously negative commentary coming from the
Speaker 5: left folks describing this these types of measures as absurd,
Speaker 5: you know, dislarmists, you know, propagandistic.
Speaker 4: Et cetera.
Speaker 5: But Matt and Ben, I really think you both brought
Speaker 5: up some very interesting points on both sides as to
Speaker 5: why this either should be explored further or there being
Speaker 5: these kind of seeds of truth in some of this
Speaker 5: kind of discussion of weather modification. But it does seem
Speaker 5: to be rhetoric that can be weaponized in pretty gnarly ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also also know, since we're doing a little bit of
Speaker 3: a thought experiment, let's say that I am the proud
Speaker 3: proprietor of an off the books kind of weather modification outfit.
Speaker 3: Go on, you know what I mean? Yeah, Okay, gotcha, Van, you're.
Speaker 4: Talking about the eternal next situation? Are piece suit?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe even a gold chase. So let's say that
Speaker 3: this bill passes from our friend in the Miami State
Speaker 3: Senate and Senator Garcia catches our boy out on his
Speaker 3: running gun weather mod operation. What kind of trouble do
Speaker 3: you get into?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not much.
Speaker 5: It's actually kind of laughable in a way, especially if
Speaker 5: you consider who these these fines and penalties would be
Speaker 5: aimed at. Each instance would count as a separate infraction,
Speaker 5: and I believe the penalty is up to sixty days
Speaker 5: in jail and a fine of up to ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 5: which you know to be fair, is higher than the
Speaker 5: usual five hundred dollars a penalty associated with second degree misdemeanors.
Speaker 5: This would be considered a second degree misdemeanor. But again
Speaker 5: we know when it comes down to it, corporations, whatever,
Speaker 5: the folks it would actually have the ability to do
Speaker 5: stuff like this that isn't dropping the bucket. What are
Speaker 5: they going to do? Find the government? Like who's the
Speaker 5: target of these fines? It does kind of confuse me
Speaker 5: a little bit there.
Speaker 3: I think this is great and appreciate the information. I
Speaker 3: think all of us bootleg weather mod fans do. It
Speaker 3: sounds like what I'll need to do in this an
Speaker 3: essay hypothetical situation. I think I'll first I'll need to
Speaker 3: hire an intern to take that sixty day fall. The secondly,
Speaker 3: need to make sure that the profit model is such
Speaker 3: that ten grand is just a cost of doing business,
Speaker 3: like when a bank gets shrinkage, you know, yeah, shrinkage.
Speaker 3: And then third got to find a cool name suggestions
Speaker 3: welcome sky High.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, no, no, right in, let us know it's
Speaker 5: crowd source. Let's take it to the people. So again,
Speaker 5: it went on a little longer than I thought. Really
Speaker 5: love this conversation. I just want to end with just
Speaker 5: a reference to this other story. The Oxford University Press
Speaker 5: announced that the word of the Year for twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four is brain rot, which we have discussed at length
Speaker 5: here on the show. Being the father of a fifteen
Speaker 5: or actually soon to be sixteen year old, Happy birthday
Speaker 5: either kid. This is very real and it's actually the
Speaker 5: generation below my kid are the ones that are really
Speaker 5: caught up in this in a way that maybe isn't
Speaker 5: as ironic as my kid's generation. University Press Oxford University
Speaker 5: Press defines brain rot as the supposed deterioration of a
Speaker 5: person's mental or intellectual state, especially viewed as the result
Speaker 5: of over consumption of material, now particularly online content considered
Speaker 5: to be trivial or unchallenging, including and this is from
Speaker 5: a BuzzFeed article, something characterized as likely to lead to
Speaker 5: such deterioration. We're talking skibbity toilet, We're talking aboutris in Ohio,
Speaker 5: rising in Ohio, getting rizzed up?
Speaker 4: What have you?
Speaker 5: All of these kind of bizarro terms that have kind
Speaker 5: of really shot to the forefront, even beyond just the
Speaker 5: niche world of jen Alpha's last year's word of the
Speaker 5: year to that effect was riz and the previous word
Speaker 5: of the year in twenty twenty two. Some of these
Speaker 5: are kind of funny. I just want to read this list,
Speaker 5: Goblin mode. Some of these have kind of fallen out
Speaker 5: of prominence. Twenty twenty one makes sense. Was vacs twenty
Speaker 5: twenty They didn't choose a word.
Speaker 4: Weirdly, there was a lot going on. I think that's true.
Speaker 5: Twenty nineteen climate emergency That is two words, to be fair,
Speaker 5: as is goblin mode. These feel like more like concepts
Speaker 5: than words. Twenty eighteen, Toxic twenty seven, Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 5: toxic influence, a toxic person whatever. Twenty seventeen is one
Speaker 5: I absolutely.
Speaker 4: Have not heard. I don't even remember what this is about.
Speaker 4: Youth quake. What is a youth quake? Guys? Any idea?
Speaker 3: Well, it's a former word of the year, apparently.
Speaker 4: I want to believe me.
Speaker 5: In that twenty sixteen I do remember and sort of
Speaker 5: still joked about today. Post truth twenty fifteen was actually
Speaker 5: an emoji, very very innovative, the cry face laughy emoji,
Speaker 5: and twenty fourteen was vape so that I think we'll
Speaker 5: just leave it at that guy's brain. Rot twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four is word of the year. And I will just
Speaker 5: reference a couple of tweets that the BuzzFeed piece reference
Speaker 5: that I think are very telling. I'll just do one
Speaker 5: to wrap it up here. And by the way, this
Speaker 5: piece was by Alana valco over at the BuzzFeed staff.
Speaker 5: And a tweet here that I think sums it all
Speaker 5: up beautifully is this from ex user Joyce. I was
Speaker 5: on a walk at this nature reserve and this crowd
Speaker 5: of fourth graders on a field trip passed by, and
Speaker 5: it was basically, dude, I'm gonna crash out, dude, No,
Speaker 5: don't crash out, you got to lock in, dude. Is
Speaker 5: that the bridge to Ohio? And yeah, So I think
Speaker 5: this is sadly and hilariously accurate. And just to wrap
Speaker 5: up one last thing, so sorry, it's just too much
Speaker 5: good stuff here.
Speaker 4: There's a statement from.
Speaker 5: Casper Grothwall, who's a very lovely Oxford British name, the
Speaker 5: president of Oxford Languages, said brain rot speaks to one
Speaker 5: of the perceived dangers of virtual life and how we
Speaker 5: are using our free time. It feels like a rightful
Speaker 5: next chapter in the cultural conversation about humanity and technology.
Speaker 5: It's not surprising that so many voters embrace the term,
Speaker 5: endorsing it as our choices year. I would not say
Speaker 5: these are good sign posts for humanity and technology and
Speaker 5: the crossover thereof. But thanks guys for the little extra time,
Speaker 5: and we're gonna take a quick pause, you're a word
Speaker 5: from our sponsor, and then come back with a little
Speaker 5: bit more strange news for you.
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, despite all the stair climbing I'm
Speaker 2: doing in the squats and working out, I found out
Speaker 2: that I have an anti guillacht or a fliot. I
Speaker 2: think is how they also say that, Yes, that's exactly it.
Speaker 3: Can you explain what that is? No?
Speaker 6: I can't because I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: I just do you spell it so people can look
Speaker 3: it up on their own.
Speaker 6: No, I don't want people.
Speaker 4: Is it G Y A T T?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: But in this case, it's an f l y A
Speaker 2: t tt flea.
Speaker 5: Okay, hey, keep on squatting, Matt. You'll get there, You'll
Speaker 5: get there.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So first story, you guys, Uh, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 2: go with a weird one. I've got two stories about death. Sorry,
Speaker 2: tend to do that sometimes, and then another one that
Speaker 2: there's like two stories at the end that are more
Speaker 2: future facing or looking up, let's say so. The first
Speaker 2: one is about an ex Kansas police detective who was
Speaker 2: charged with some pretty terrible things and uh, he was
Speaker 2: discovered this Monday, as we record, on Wednesday, December fourth,
Speaker 2: he was discovered dead by apparent suicide in his home
Speaker 2: on the day a federal civil rights trial was to begin,
Speaker 2: where he was charged with sexually abusing uh several women,
Speaker 2: several black women over several decades, and accused with starting
Speaker 2: some form of sex ring.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was hearing about this on our local MPR affiliate
Speaker 3: a little while back when the news broke. I think
Speaker 3: it was jury selection was at the point that we're at.
Speaker 3: He was due to show up for jury selection.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The reason why he was found is because he was
Speaker 2: supposed to be in court that day. He was allowed
Speaker 2: to stay at his home like essentially under house arrest
Speaker 2: as this trial was beginning and he was due in
Speaker 2: court and he didn't show up, so there was a
Speaker 2: warrant to go and get him, and they discovered him
Speaker 2: there in his home. Let's go into some of these details,
Speaker 2: and we're getting this from NBC News. The title is
Speaker 2: ex Kansas police detective found dead on first day of
Speaker 2: federal civil rights trial. It was written by Eric Ortiz
Speaker 2: and Michael Kossner KOs Nar. We'll just start here and
Speaker 2: arrest warrant had been issued when Roger Glubski, seventy one,
Speaker 2: failed to appear at a federal courthouse in Topeka, Kansas,
Speaker 2: on the first day of jury selection. Law enforcement received
Speaker 2: a nine to one one call and responded to his
Speaker 2: home in Kansas. It's a place called Edwardsville to suburb there.
Speaker 2: Police reported he had suffered a fatal gunshot wound and
Speaker 2: there were no indications of foul play. Again, like initially,
Speaker 2: nobody would say whether or not it was, you know,
Speaker 2: if he had taken his life by his own hand.
Speaker 2: But it's one of those situations where there are officials
Speaker 2: who make statements, but they won't tell you who they are.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not going to go on record with it,
Speaker 2: but they'll tell you as a reporter. It appears to
Speaker 2: have been suicide.
Speaker 3: An individual familiar with the case.
Speaker 2: Exactly, very very similar writing there. So let's get into
Speaker 2: what he was charged with and why it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: He was charged in twenty twenty two with federal civil
Speaker 2: rights crimes, accused of exploiting black women for sex and
Speaker 2: for framing people for crimes that they did not commit,
Speaker 2: or at least that the person who was accused of
Speaker 2: the crime and then went to jail for the that
Speaker 2: person says they didn't do it.
Speaker 6: And this guy is.
Speaker 2: At least accused and was accused of putting those people
Speaker 2: in jail when he knew that they were not actually
Speaker 2: the person who committed the crime.
Speaker 3: Even to the point where that those false arrests or
Speaker 3: ad embedding that kind of crime and framing people would
Speaker 3: be weaponized or leveraged, right yes, to further abuse women.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because he had basically we have to continue on.
Speaker 2: But he it appears that he had a criminal organization
Speaker 2: of sorts that he was at least somewhere involved in
Speaker 2: near the top where he was it's disgusting selling women
Speaker 2: for sex for at least a period of time that
Speaker 2: was known to the investigation.
Speaker 6: So here we go.
Speaker 2: He retired in twenty ten after thirty five years with
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Police Department. He pleaded not guilty to
Speaker 2: six counts of deprivation of civil rights, and federal investigators
Speaker 2: said the case was related to the rape of a
Speaker 2: woman from nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and one
Speaker 2: and another woman from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand
Speaker 2: and two while he was while he was employed there
Speaker 2: with the Kansas City Police Department. And he was also
Speaker 2: charged with three others in a separate case for allegedly
Speaker 2: and here it is quote running a sex trafficking ring
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety eight, that quote
Speaker 2: held women captive. So whatever that means, whatever the actual
Speaker 2: details are of that situation, it sounds horrifying. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: this is a guy who retires and then fourteen years later,
Speaker 2: he's sitting at home on house arrest, getting regular dialysis treatments,
Speaker 2: facing life in prison if convicted, and he made the
Speaker 2: choice to take his own life rather than have to
Speaker 2: face the consequences in a public arena like that.
Speaker 3: And to be clear that for everybody listening, want to
Speaker 3: go back to the two things you mentioned at the
Speaker 3: beginning of that. When we're saying that someone was sexually
Speaker 3: assaulted from X time to why time, what we're saying
Speaker 3: is this was happening repeatedly. Yes, this is all horrific,
Speaker 3: unclean stuff. But just no, folks, we're not talking about
Speaker 3: one off situations. When Matt's giving us that timeline, he's
Speaker 3: talking about abducting people, coercing them into sex work very
Speaker 3: close to trafficking, especially with captivity involved.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a police officer abusing power like that is
Speaker 2: we use the ben use the word unclean a lot
Speaker 2: that and I particularly like that when it comes to
Speaker 2: these kinds of situations. But in this case, with this guy,
Speaker 2: for that many years, like at least three separate times
Speaker 2: were their stints of two three years at a time
Speaker 2: of this kind of abuse, I can imagine why this
Speaker 2: person didn't want to go into court and hear all
Speaker 2: that evidence you know, presented and talked about in front
Speaker 2: of him, and all of these other human beings looking
Speaker 2: at him, and you know, the world stage looking at him.
Speaker 6: I can imagine.
Speaker 3: That the analysis in prison is also pretty close to
Speaker 3: a death sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not great. The tragic thing in this situation
Speaker 2: is that all of the victims, all the families of
Speaker 2: the victims, all the people who were affected by this man,
Speaker 2: don't get that moment of clarity, that moment of like
Speaker 2: hearing it all coming to light and air it out
Speaker 2: and getting some kind of I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you get from that, but at least a
Speaker 2: tiny bit of feeling as though the truth came out.
Speaker 3: Right, people were held accountable.
Speaker 2: Yes, somebody gets held accountable, and it just again, it's
Speaker 2: just spoken. It's something about the truth being spoken out loud.
Speaker 2: I can imagine that being a very helpful, positive thing,
Speaker 2: as hard as it may be in the moment. But
Speaker 2: they're never going to get that now because this guy's
Speaker 2: gone and the trial, the trials are basically dropped or
Speaker 2: the it's just over. There's no defendant, there's no case.
Speaker 3: And it's over to prosecute.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure the investigations continue, or hope the investigations
Speaker 3: continue into co conspirators, into other people who may have
Speaker 3: aided in the pursuit of these crimes. Because over this
Speaker 3: degree of time, over this long window of time, it
Speaker 3: is incredibly unlikely that someone, perhaps a colleague or a
Speaker 3: coworker did not know.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: Well, the one of the good things that's happening right
Speaker 2: now is that there are a bunch of other lawsuits
Speaker 2: coming up with regards to the Kansas City Police Department
Speaker 2: that have to do with some of this stuff. There's
Speaker 2: one attorney, Danny A. Diez I think is how you
Speaker 2: say she's with Jay Z's. I think they're called Team
Speaker 2: Rock or something like that. They've got a fairly large
Speaker 2: lawsuit going on about the entirety of the Kansas City
Speaker 2: Police Department and basically accusing them of not giving records
Speaker 2: when they're supposed to be giving these records that have
Speaker 2: to do with corruption, they have to do with basically
Speaker 2: laws being violated within the police department. So hopefully that
Speaker 2: will be ongoing and will be something, you know, something
Speaker 2: will happen. Yes, all right, anyway, that's terrible situation, you guys.
Speaker 3: And it's an active conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Yes, second thing isn't really a conspiracy. Isn't really anything
Speaker 2: that we need to worry about. It's a little many
Speaker 2: nightmare scenario maybe in my head, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: see if you guys like share this or just what
Speaker 2: we think about it. I'll talk about the story first,
Speaker 2: then i'll give you the information to look it up.
Speaker 2: There's a woman named Elizabeth Pollard. She's sixty four years old.
Speaker 2: She was out, at least according to her family, looking
Speaker 2: for her cat, Pepper, because she couldn't find her cat,
Speaker 2: cute little cat named Pepper. Well, i'll read part of this.
Speaker 2: Her car was found at a restaurant. Parked at a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Inside her car was her granddaughter, a five year old granddaughter.
Speaker 2: She was not found anywhere Elizabeth. There began a hunt
Speaker 2: for Elizabeth. Where the heck did she go?
Speaker 4: Where is she?
Speaker 2: Why was her granddaughter alone in the car?
Speaker 6: She was out?
Speaker 2: You know, it was known she was out looking for
Speaker 2: her cat. The people who were out looking for her
Speaker 2: found a manhole sized opening that was a sinkhole that
Speaker 2: led down into a mine shaft into like where there's
Speaker 2: known mine shafts. And it is believed that this woman
Speaker 2: was out looking for her cat pretty nearby to where
Speaker 2: her car was parked, and she ended up falling down
Speaker 2: into essentially a sinkle or a sinkhole opened up over
Speaker 2: this mind shaft as she's walking through the woods looking
Speaker 2: for her cat.
Speaker 5: A dark lottery, right, do you think that's where the
Speaker 5: cat was?
Speaker 2: Well, who knows? In this case, it's again it's not
Speaker 2: known whether she fell into a hole as she's looking around,
Speaker 2: maybe as it's getting dark, or if the sinkhole opened
Speaker 2: up as she's standing over top of it. It doesn't know.
Speaker 2: The authorities don't even know if she's in that hole.
Speaker 2: They're still searching for her. I think it's one of
Speaker 2: those unfortunate situations where the probable scenario is that she
Speaker 2: fell in somehow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And sinkholes also can kenneker suddenly, they can, they
Speaker 3: can run in packs. Sinkholes can move deep. As you remember,
Speaker 3: perhaps when I lived in Central America for a time,
Speaker 3: sinkholes were simply a part of what could happen at
Speaker 3: your house or when you're walking around. Luckily, happy to
Speaker 3: report I have not been involved in a fatal sinkhole situation.
Speaker 3: But there's not really a way to a way for
Speaker 3: the average person to be super aware of this happening.
Speaker 3: If you're unlucky enough to be around when a sinkhole
Speaker 3: is occurring, when it's germinating. I'm using that word incorrectly
Speaker 3: for fun. When that happens, your odds being able to
Speaker 3: physically run away or cling to something stable are pretty low. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think usually it sounds like what happened is this
Speaker 3: formed before this distraught individual happened across it, and maybe
Speaker 3: they were running toward trying to find their cat and
Speaker 3: not able to be entirely cognizant of the environment in
Speaker 3: which the maage.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it's unknown, and especially because it is about
Speaker 2: the size of a man, So imagine that that's like
Speaker 2: the size of your torso plus a little bit, basically, right,
Speaker 2: And when you look at the hole, it looks like
Speaker 2: a patch of grass and in the center there's just
Speaker 2: a hole punched and then it goes down thirty feet
Speaker 2: like nine meters and you know, visualize thirty feet that's
Speaker 2: pretty far to where you feel like you're just watching
Speaker 2: walking on flat land. And then this, I mean almost
Speaker 2: a human sized hole opens up and you just PLoP
Speaker 2: right through it.
Speaker 3: It's deep enough to cause to cause possibly death depending
Speaker 3: on how you fall, but definitely it's deep enough to
Speaker 3: cause mobility ending injuries, right like this can crack a femur,
Speaker 3: this can break a thigh, well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Especially if the earth that if you imagine like it's
Speaker 2: essentially a bubble underneath there, right, and there's a tiny
Speaker 2: layer of earth above you, that tiny layer lets go,
Speaker 2: and then other parts of that earth collapse in on
Speaker 2: top of you as it collapses, and you essentially could
Speaker 2: be buried a lot in that moment. Sorry, it's just
Speaker 2: a new nightmare kind of thing that's unlocked for me personally.
Speaker 6: I don't know about you, guys.
Speaker 3: I think it is for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well, I just feel I feel it in my chest,
Speaker 2: I guess when I think about it, because there's just
Speaker 2: all kinds of woods that I love to run around.
Speaker 6: And who knows what's underneath there?
Speaker 2: Haven't I don't have a geological survey that shows, you know,
Speaker 2: the Condy cave systems.
Speaker 3: We haven't heard back from Accounting yet either on our
Speaker 3: pitch to get a light oar.
Speaker 4: Device for everybody needs one.
Speaker 3: Accounting right us back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is another tragic situation. You can go
Speaker 2: to AP news and read the article surch extends into
Speaker 2: the Night for Pennsylvania woman who may have fallen into sinkhole,
Speaker 2: written by Mike Skullfarro s C O. L.
Speaker 4: F O r O.
Speaker 6: That was written December third of this year.
Speaker 2: As we record, guys, we don't have much time to
Speaker 2: cover the asteroids, so this is what we'll put out there.
Speaker 2: You can look this up if you want to. Asteroid
Speaker 2: burns up before hitting Earth, creating ball in the sky.
Speaker 2: This is written in USA Today by Eric Legata on
Speaker 2: December fourth today, as we record, this is a story
Speaker 2: about a very tiny, seventy centimeter roughly wide asteroid that
Speaker 2: hit the Earth and it just as it interacted with
Speaker 2: the atmosphere as you've seen in movies, it just burned
Speaker 2: up and pretty much turned into nothing. Seventy centimeters that's
Speaker 2: like twenty seven and a half inches in diameter. Tiny,
Speaker 2: not a big deal. The thing that is a big
Speaker 2: deal about it is that humans only knew that it
Speaker 2: was coming a couple hours before it impacted.
Speaker 3: By predicting a natural disaster exactly like a tornado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the thing that just happens, and it's
Speaker 2: not going to stop happening. And we're going to do
Speaker 2: our best as humanity to identify and categorize and understand
Speaker 2: the trajectory of all of these objects that are flying
Speaker 2: around us in orbit and you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Thing we always like to say is head on over
Speaker 2: to spaceweather dot com or a similar source. You can
Speaker 2: see a giant list of the upcoming near Earth asteroids
Speaker 2: that are known about that we know about, because this
Speaker 2: one was not on that list.
Speaker 6: Double checks this morning.
Speaker 3: I like to call it reservations versus walkins.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 3: There are unfortunately a lot of spacewalkins. Another source. You
Speaker 3: and I were both leaning on the excellent folks at
Speaker 3: Live Science here, Matt, I think Live Science comes up
Speaker 3: again at the end of this program.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's Live Science. Will jump to them really quickly.
Speaker 2: And here's another story that was published yesterday. As we
Speaker 2: record massive quote potentially hazardous asteroid do to make closest
Speaker 2: ever approach to Earth tonight and you can watch it live.
Speaker 2: This was written by Pandora de Wan yesterday.
Speaker 3: That's an awesome name.
Speaker 6: Yes it is. I hope that's a real person and
Speaker 6: not like some program.
Speaker 2: This time. It's a stadium sized asteroid named twenty twenty
Speaker 2: x ARE and it is coming into the closest approach
Speaker 2: to Earth on record, and that is happening today as
Speaker 2: we record on December fourth, So if something happens, it's
Speaker 2: too late. As you're hearing this, it already happened. But
Speaker 2: it does appear that nothing is going to happen.
Speaker 3: It is just.
Speaker 2: Creepy to think about a stadium, Like if you just imagine,
Speaker 2: I don't know a stadium.
Speaker 6: I don't know stadiums, guys.
Speaker 2: What's the Atlanta one? The football stadium?
Speaker 4: Mercedes Benz?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, imagine Mercedes Benz just like flying past Earth
Speaker 2: and you can look up and like, hey, it's the Falcons.
Speaker 2: It's like that, but it's not as crazy. It is
Speaker 2: crazy to imagine it traveling twenty seven and a half
Speaker 2: thousand miles per hour. Twenty seven and a half thousand
Speaker 2: miles per hour. Just can't even can't even imagine it.
Speaker 2: It's going to reach a minimum distance of one point
Speaker 2: three seven million miles from Earth, which is its closest approach,
Speaker 2: but it is nowhere near close enough to impact us,
Speaker 2: at least according to the models. And that's what we'll
Speaker 2: rest easy on this week.
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