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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realist, if you're hearing this the evening it publishes,

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Speaker 3: let us be the first to welcome you to Monday,

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Speaker 3: December ninth, twenty twenty four. It's the last month of

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Speaker 3: this calendar. And oh man, so much stuff is happening,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you guys heard. You know,

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Speaker 3: the the employment market is really tough these days all around,

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Speaker 3: but not just for employees. It turns out that it

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Speaker 3: is tough for some employers as well, especially the intelligence

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Speaker 3: agencies in Britain and Australia, who, for the life of them,

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Speaker 3: cannot seem to hire enough spies.

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Speaker 5: Would you say it's hard out here for a pimp,

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Speaker 5: I'd say it's hard out here for a spook.

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Speaker 3: Spook being, of course, an old school trade craft slang

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Speaker 3: for people active in espionage in some way.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know what, Bet, one of the podcasts I

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Speaker 5: really like of the watch They just did an episode

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Speaker 5: asking the question are we in a gold a new

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Speaker 5: golden age of spy shows? And I think you and

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Speaker 5: I would both probably argue yes, being fans of slow

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Speaker 5: horse horses. And I've been watching this show, this Taylor

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Speaker 5: Sheridan show Lioness, which is absolutely fantastic. And there's another

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Speaker 5: one called I think The Agency or something like that

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Speaker 5: with oh, gosh, what's the guy's name.

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Speaker 4: Garret No, Gary oldman.

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Speaker 3: They could always be goold. You never really could.

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Speaker 5: Michael Fastbender, there's a news but in a new spy

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Speaker 5: series with him in it. But for me, Lioness and

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Speaker 5: slow Horses absolutely incredible. So yeah, it may be hard

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Speaker 5: out there. I r l for a spy, but they're

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Speaker 5: really getting a lot of love in the fictional world.

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Speaker 3: And as we'll see later, that leads into an excellent

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Speaker 3: exploration bittersweet exploration of nostalgia shared a pretty scant link,

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Speaker 3: but the discourse about this is great. Just so everybody

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Speaker 3: knows it turns out that security folks and spy agencies

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Speaker 3: in the anglosphere overall are once again encountering UH, an

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Speaker 3: issue that we talked about in the past, which is UH.

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Speaker 3: You guys will remember a few years back we had

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Speaker 3: we had a little bit of hilarious schadenfreud when we

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Speaker 3: noted that various US intelligence agencies were falling behind in

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Speaker 3: the cyber warfare game because all the good hackers smoke

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Speaker 3: weed exactly. I remember that.

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Speaker 5: They had to walk it back though, right They said,

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Speaker 5: you know what, We're going to give these hackers a pass.

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Speaker 5: Let them have their weed, let them eat their cake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they let it fade from the headlines, and then

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Speaker 3: they bent the rules a little bit, which not all

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Speaker 3: agencies can do. This story about spy shortages is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's an ongoing thing, but it's just a mention because

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Speaker 3: we have so much other stuff to get to. There

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Speaker 3: was almost a coup in South Korea just yesterday for

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Speaker 3: about four hours. There are asteroids they're going to in

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Speaker 3: the world. Oxford, the boffins over there have weighed in

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Speaker 3: with some incredible new picks for Word of the Year.

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Speaker 3: A favorite thing for US et homology fans somebody might

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Speaker 3: ban kim trails. There's so much stuff.

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Speaker 4: What it finally gosh, I mean, let's take him in

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Speaker 4: so long.

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Speaker 2: We're going to cover all of these things and even more.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 3: And we have returned before we get into bitter sweet nostalgia.

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Speaker 3: Something on the mind of many of our fellow conspiracy

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Speaker 3: realists hanging out on our strange news segment tonight. We

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Speaker 3: heard you Facebook friends, we heard you emailers, we heard you.

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Speaker 3: People were calling in with voicemail, all asking the same question,

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Speaker 3: what's going on with these drones monitoring US air bases

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Speaker 3: in England? You guys heard about this, right.

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Speaker 2: No, sir, Yeah, but I do not have answers?

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Speaker 6: Have you? What have you found? Been?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Here we go, guys. So drone incursions, by which we

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Speaker 3: different US air bases in the United Kingdom. With all

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Speaker 3: due respect to the Empire, I still think British names

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Speaker 3: there were droughts. They weren't committing aggressive actions, but they

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Speaker 3: were definitely not supposed to be there, and no one

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Speaker 3: is sure what is happening. We also know civilians have

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Speaker 3: reported seeing quote, triangle shaped aerial vehicles that were noisy,

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Speaker 3: be honest, you're used to see stuff in the sky.

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Speaker 5: Guys, don't you more and more feel like a lot

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Speaker 5: of maybe this is old beans here, but that a

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Speaker 5: lot of reports of unidentified aerial phenomenon historically have been

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Speaker 5: sightings of these types of technologies that the public was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, that's something that often happens. And

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Speaker 3: then later as the foyer requests go through or voluntary declassification,

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Speaker 3: we see that there's usually a man made answer or

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Speaker 3: a meteorological answer to a lot of things. We're not

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Speaker 3: saying that all UAP are explained, because otherwise they would

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Speaker 5: And I only say that just because of the triangular

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Speaker 2: But if we're talking about highly advanced classified aircraft that's

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Speaker 2: that's a big old triangle in the sky that's dark gray,

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Speaker 2: dang thing. You're probably not going to do that, right,

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Speaker 2: You're going to have some kind of official craft that

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Speaker 2: if someone calls in from the village there's you know,

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Speaker 2: you could have a response as that air base and say, yes,

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Speaker 2: there was a test in operation, there was a whatever

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Speaker 3: That's why you want, if you are an extra terrestrial,

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Speaker 3: that's why you want to aim for isolated trailer somewhere

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Speaker 3: and you help Saturday Night Live write another abduction sketch.

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I guess My only point is that's why the

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Speaker 2: all the original utuoe and all those things were successful

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Speaker 3: At a very high altitude as well. Right, this this

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Speaker 3: is interesting. Let me add a fourth base that has

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Speaker 3: itself has not identified who they believed to be behind

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Speaker 3: the incursions. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, there have been some

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Speaker 3: of sources. To your point, Matt, they do not believe

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Speaker 3: these drones are operated by hobbyists, which is a fascinating

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Speaker 3: statement because, as we'll recall, not too long ago, a

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Speaker 5: Country like a kite, like you know, just for fun.

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Speaker 3: Well me, I mess around you guys. Also, I'll take

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Speaker 3: a one way ticket home.

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Speaker 2: No problem, thank you. But in this case, you've got

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Speaker 2: tons of witnesses, at least a handful of witnesses who

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Speaker 2: are saying they're seeing these huge lights directly above controlled airspace, right,

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Speaker 2: like there are runways over here by these air bases,

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Speaker 2: and that airspace is so controlled that if you did

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Speaker 2: have a hobbyist over there, that person is going to

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Speaker 2: get in trouble like the example you just gave, and

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Speaker 4: Caught, right.

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Speaker 3: So what is the capability here now? Drones are They

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Speaker 3: should be easy to track with this level of constant

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Speaker 3: that some information is already known and has not been

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Speaker 3: released to the public. Europe is very tense right now,

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Speaker 3: and we do count the UK as part of Europe still,

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Speaker 3: especially given speculation that they're quietly spinning up for the

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Speaker 3: a few other red strings before we move on, because

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Speaker 3: this is an active investigation, we know a few other

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Speaker 3: red strings, such as Lakenheath, the first base we mentioned

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Speaker 3: many DHL packages they receive each day, just going to

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Speaker 3: your earlier point Noll about man made technology being often

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Speaker 3: the explanation behind these unidentified aerial phenomenon. It seems again

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Speaker 3: quietly asking about Russian involvement or interest. If you happen

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Speaker 3: to be a drone operator doing this, we'd love to

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Speaker 3: sentence you to death. That is something that is happening

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Speaker 3: I don't know how widely this story is spread in

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Speaker 3: been convicted earlier this year of ripping off the Saigon

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Speaker 3: Commercial Bank, which is a very powerful financial institution. She

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Speaker 3: has been sentenced to death for fraud running to a

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Speaker 3: total of twenty seven billion US dollars.

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Speaker 3: She appealed, the verdict was unsuccessful and the Vietnamese court

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Speaker 3: system cut her a deal. They said, look, this islan

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Speaker 3: if you give us nine billion dollars, then we will

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Speaker 4: We'll give you a pass.

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Speaker 5: what do you call that the Sophie's choice.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not even that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just sort of like an unwinnable proposition, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because then also you're admitting to the crime.

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Speaker 5: And is the implication that this person just has nine

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Speaker 5: billions squirreled away?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is okay, well more that she has like

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Speaker 2: a twelve billion. Yeah, they're askually for three quarters, right right.

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Speaker 4: It seems like a deal. Then if I were three quarters.

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Speaker 3: Of the twelve billion they think she has somewhere at Coff, Switzerland. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And it's confusing because the twenty seven billion dollar fraud

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Speaker 3: verdict is based also partially on the money lost by

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Speaker 3: the Saigone bank. The twelve billion is what they thought

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Speaker 3: she took just as vigorous. I don't know's it seems

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Speaker 3: like a deal. And it might be strange for many

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Speaker 3: Right, No, they commit suicide in prison.

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Speaker 4: What do you think it's It's a pump.

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Speaker 4: And he was right, can you prove a coincidence?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's his That was his one hand clapping moment.

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Speaker 5: And I think Si SEROMNAMUSI something very smart guy worked

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Speaker 3: Creepy stuff. But here's what I'm thinking, guys. I'm thinking, one,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is fascinating. It makes me think of

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Speaker 2: It looks like antimony, like something you'd pay after a divorce,

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Speaker 5: Well, whatever happened to that old conspiracy chestnut of like,

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Speaker 3: It is true in some respects, and you can see

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Speaker 3: At the end, when we do our CTAs, we'll give

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Speaker 5: And we have returned with some more strange news for

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Speaker 4: Got two fun ones today. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with you tease both of these, ben, but

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Speaker 5: well exactly.

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Speaker 4: This might give you.

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Speaker 5: Pause out there in conspiracy realist land because you're like,

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Speaker 5: wait a minute, hasn't the existence of kem trails almost

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Speaker 5: you know, con trails, rather from you know, planes dumping

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Speaker 4: Right, just can we get that out of the way.

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Speaker 5: What has become of the old kem trails conspiracy theory?

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Speaker 3: If the word debunked is sensitive for some people or

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Speaker 5: Here you go, Yes, thank you, Ben beautifully explained, and

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: It would seem that that is not the understanding of

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Speaker 5: seating and also quote unquote artificial weather interference other forms,

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Speaker 5: Can we talk about that real quick, guys, Do you

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Speaker 5: Is it to create a situation where there's panic and

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Speaker 2: Well, there are several theories or reasonings behind it that

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Speaker 2: But again, we just have to say fully speculation, and

440
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense personally to me.

441
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: No, I like how straightforward it is as a plan.

442
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 5: It is that straightforward kind of conspiracy evil. You know

443
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 5: that that just feels a little too on the nose, right, yeah,

444
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 5: I mean I'm saying this.

445
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: What what I love about this one as a as

446
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: an enthusiast is the the idea that there's a cabal

447
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: of hostile foreign powers. That part is true, that's not anure.

448
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: And and they're steepling their fingers again anti burn style,

449
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 3: and they're say, you know, we could just bomb the place.

450
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: And then someone turns around in a swivel chair and goes,

451
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: what if let's make it complicated.

452
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, yeah, we didn't cause a hurricane obviously,

453
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean it is a little more easily.

454
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: Well, it also feels like a good sort of fall

455
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 5: guy type explanation for climate change not being real.

456
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's also that's that's a good point. It's

457
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: also a great way to get votes from a specific

458
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: demograph that will largely not be concerned about other policy

459
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: that you want to put through. And I believe nol

460
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: this is a Miami State senator.

461
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 5: That's right, right, Yeah, that's right, Miami store fifty Iliana

462
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 5: Garcia State Bill fifty six. It would repeal more than

463
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 5: a dozen pre existing provisions on the books that do

464
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 5: allow for some of this type of weather modification. It

465
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: would prohibit the injection, release, or dispersion of any substance

466
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: or apparatus into the atmosphere within Florida's borders quote for

467
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: the express purpose of affecting the temperature, the weather, or

468
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 5: the intensity of sunlight. And again, I'm not trying to

469
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: completely clown this person, because we do know that this

470
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 5: cloud seating stuff does exist. But if you take a

471
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 5: look at their social media presence, they do often reference

472
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: things like chemtrails and the conspiracies relating to that they

473
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 5: do kind of seem to go in for some of

474
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: these ways modification cabal type conspiracies. They even referenced a

475
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: list that NOAA published library catalog of one twenty six

476
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 5: entries of weather modification. However, this list does exclusively contain

477
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: references to instances of cloud seating that technology that is

478
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: very old and tried and true.

479
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, here's the real quick to interject, here's

480
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: something that we have to say. Just the level set

481
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: this is. I don't want us to lose this line.

482
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: This is important to remember. Shout out workaholics. The government

483
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: of Florida does or has allowed for weather modification. To

484
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: your point, that might be surprising to a lot of people.

485
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: But the second point, which is not being explored as

486
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: often as it should, is the old concept of the

487
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: tragedy of the commons. All weather, in every part of

488
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: the world is a is one small piece of a

489
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 3: asked into related system. You cannot pull one string without

490
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: creating tension or even breaking strings in other parts of

491
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: the system that you may not see. You may also

492
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: may not recognize the effects of futtson with this system

493
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: for years. Right, Oh, dred percent.

494
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Speaker 5: I think the cloud seating stuff is bizarre and and

495
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 5: any kind of these sort of playing god type chemical

496
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 5: interventions whatever, I'm always a little suspect of sure.

497
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: But what if there is a viable way to defend

498
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: against an incoming hurricane or a system?

499
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: I love that idea, like in Twister too, you know, like.

500
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: To prevent a storm from forming funnel.

501
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 5: Breaking it out in some way, shooting it with something

502
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: that cause it to disperse.

503
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: Right, I guess just what I mean is should we

504
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: humans not pursue I think we should.

505
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: It's such a good point.

506
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: It's being pursued. The issue is because specifically in the

507
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: case of a hurricane, right, or typhoon, depending on where

508
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: you are in the world, specifically in that they are

509
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: caused by not one single factor, so you would have

510
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: to mitigate for multiple factors, things like ocean temperature. Right,

511
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: that's that's one of the big boys. Yes, and then

512
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: that's what.

513
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 5: Causes them to kind of spin up and like really

514
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: like pick up steam.

515
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, just so, and nerdles yeah sorry, And you would

516
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: also need to triangulate your your approach vectors, probably from

517
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: several different locations, right, because it's a problem to the

518
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: humans when it hits land, right, when it hits human habitation,

519
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: But the problem starts out in the ocean. There are

520
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: a ton of humans, so right, you'd have to find

521
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: the order of operations.

522
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: Well, that's a really good point, Ben, And also something

523
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 5: that is referenced in the Hollywood masterpiece Twisters, where it

524
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: really shows that the prediction of these types of storms.

525
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 5: There's a lot of kind of ghost whispering type of

526
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 5: skills that go into it in terms of knowing what

527
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: to look for, kind of seeing literally which way the

528
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: wind is blowing. And it requires intuition in some ways

529
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: more than it even requires science in the very early

530
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: stages as to know which one's going to be the

531
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: big one, and then which one follow and which one

532
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: to attack with this type of technology, were it to exist.

533
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: And shout out to everybody who like, you know, I

534
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: think we can see it now. I too, was disappointed

535
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: to learn that Twisters as a franchise is about natural disasters.

536
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: I was hoping it was about the board game Gone Wrong,

537
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: which I still think is a great film idea.

538
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 5: Oh I think if it isn't out there, it absolutely

539
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 5: should be, no question about it. It could also be about

540
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 5: titty twisters, the weapon of bullies, middle school bullies since

541
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 5: time memorial.

542
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 6: The trick is to learn to like it's.

543
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: Okay, really good, Thank you, Matt.

544
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 5: You can give me some really beautiful visuals here banging

545
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 5: around in the old brain place. I gotta say, really quickly, though,

546
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: I think this went on a little longer than I expected.

547
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: It is a very interesting conversation.

548
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: There is you know, obviously negative commentary coming from the

549
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 5: left folks describing this these types of measures as absurd,

550
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: you know, dislarmists, you know, propagandistic.

551
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: Et cetera.

552
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: But Matt and Ben, I really think you both brought

553
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: up some very interesting points on both sides as to

554
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: why this either should be explored further or there being

555
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: these kind of seeds of truth in some of this

556
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 5: kind of discussion of weather modification. But it does seem

557
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: to be rhetoric that can be weaponized in pretty gnarly ways.

558
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

559
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: Also also know, since we're doing a little bit of

560
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: a thought experiment, let's say that I am the proud

561
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: proprietor of an off the books kind of weather modification outfit.

562
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: Go on, you know what I mean? Yeah, Okay, gotcha, Van, you're.

563
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: Talking about the eternal next situation? Are piece suit?

564
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 6: Sure?

565
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe even a gold chase. So let's say that

566
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 3: this bill passes from our friend in the Miami State

567
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: Senate and Senator Garcia catches our boy out on his

568
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: running gun weather mod operation. What kind of trouble do

569
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: you get into?

570
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not much.

571
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: It's actually kind of laughable in a way, especially if

572
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 5: you consider who these these fines and penalties would be

573
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 5: aimed at. Each instance would count as a separate infraction,

574
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 5: and I believe the penalty is up to sixty days

575
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: in jail and a fine of up to ten thousand dollars,

576
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 5: which you know to be fair, is higher than the

577
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 5: usual five hundred dollars a penalty associated with second degree misdemeanors.

578
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 5: This would be considered a second degree misdemeanor. But again

579
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 5: we know when it comes down to it, corporations, whatever,

580
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: the folks it would actually have the ability to do

581
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: stuff like this that isn't dropping the bucket. What are

582
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: they going to do? Find the government? Like who's the

583
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: target of these fines? It does kind of confuse me

584
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 5: a little bit there.

585
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: I think this is great and appreciate the information. I

586
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: think all of us bootleg weather mod fans do. It

587
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: sounds like what I'll need to do in this an

588
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: essay hypothetical situation. I think I'll first I'll need to

589
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: hire an intern to take that sixty day fall. The secondly,

590
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: need to make sure that the profit model is such

591
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: that ten grand is just a cost of doing business,

592
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: like when a bank gets shrinkage, you know, yeah, shrinkage.

593
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: And then third got to find a cool name suggestions

594
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 3: welcome sky High.

595
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 5: Oh sure, no, no, right in, let us know it's

596
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: crowd source. Let's take it to the people. So again,

597
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 5: it went on a little longer than I thought. Really

598
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 5: love this conversation. I just want to end with just

599
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: a reference to this other story. The Oxford University Press

600
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 5: announced that the word of the Year for twenty twenty

601
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 5: four is brain rot, which we have discussed at length

602
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: here on the show. Being the father of a fifteen

603
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: or actually soon to be sixteen year old, Happy birthday

604
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: either kid. This is very real and it's actually the

605
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 5: generation below my kid are the ones that are really

606
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 5: caught up in this in a way that maybe isn't

607
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: as ironic as my kid's generation. University Press Oxford University

608
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 5: Press defines brain rot as the supposed deterioration of a

609
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 5: person's mental or intellectual state, especially viewed as the result

610
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 5: of over consumption of material, now particularly online content considered

611
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 5: to be trivial or unchallenging, including and this is from

612
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: a BuzzFeed article, something characterized as likely to lead to

613
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 5: such deterioration. We're talking skibbity toilet, We're talking aboutris in Ohio,

614
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 5: rising in Ohio, getting rizzed up?

615
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: What have you?

616
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: All of these kind of bizarro terms that have kind

617
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 5: of really shot to the forefront, even beyond just the

618
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: niche world of jen Alpha's last year's word of the

619
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: year to that effect was riz and the previous word

620
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: of the year in twenty twenty two. Some of these

621
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: are kind of funny. I just want to read this list,

622
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 5: Goblin mode. Some of these have kind of fallen out

623
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 5: of prominence. Twenty twenty one makes sense. Was vacs twenty

624
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: twenty They didn't choose a word.

625
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: Weirdly, there was a lot going on. I think that's true.

626
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 5: Twenty nineteen climate emergency That is two words, to be fair,

627
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: as is goblin mode. These feel like more like concepts

628
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 5: than words. Twenty eighteen, Toxic twenty seven, Yeah, like you know,

629
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: toxic influence, a toxic person whatever. Twenty seventeen is one

630
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: I absolutely.

631
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: Have not heard. I don't even remember what this is about.

632
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: Youth quake. What is a youth quake? Guys? Any idea?

633
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's a former word of the year, apparently.

634
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: I want to believe me.

635
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 5: In that twenty sixteen I do remember and sort of

636
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 5: still joked about today. Post truth twenty fifteen was actually

637
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 5: an emoji, very very innovative, the cry face laughy emoji,

638
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: and twenty fourteen was vape so that I think we'll

639
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 5: just leave it at that guy's brain. Rot twenty twenty

640
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 5: four is word of the year. And I will just

641
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 5: reference a couple of tweets that the BuzzFeed piece reference

642
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 5: that I think are very telling. I'll just do one

643
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: to wrap it up here. And by the way, this

644
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 5: piece was by Alana valco over at the BuzzFeed staff.

645
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 5: And a tweet here that I think sums it all

646
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: up beautifully is this from ex user Joyce. I was

647
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: on a walk at this nature reserve and this crowd

648
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 5: of fourth graders on a field trip passed by, and

649
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: it was basically, dude, I'm gonna crash out, dude, No,

650
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 5: don't crash out, you got to lock in, dude. Is

651
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: that the bridge to Ohio? And yeah, So I think

652
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: this is sadly and hilariously accurate. And just to wrap

653
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: up one last thing, so sorry, it's just too much

654
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: good stuff here.

655
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: There's a statement from.

656
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 5: Casper Grothwall, who's a very lovely Oxford British name, the

657
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Speaker 5: president of Oxford Languages, said brain rot speaks to one

658
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Speaker 5: of the perceived dangers of virtual life and how we

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Speaker 5: are using our free time. It feels like a rightful

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Speaker 5: next chapter in the cultural conversation about humanity and technology.

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Speaker 5: It's not surprising that so many voters embrace the term,

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Speaker 5: endorsing it as our choices year. I would not say

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Speaker 5: these are good sign posts for humanity and technology and

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Speaker 5: the crossover thereof. But thanks guys for the little extra time,

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Speaker 5: and we're gonna take a quick pause, you're a word

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Speaker 5: bit more strange news for you.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, despite all the stair climbing I'm

669
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Speaker 2: doing in the squats and working out, I found out

670
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Speaker 2: that I have an anti guillacht or a fliot. I

671
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Speaker 2: think is how they also say that, Yes, that's exactly it.

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Speaker 3: Can you explain what that is? No?

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Speaker 6: I can't because I don't understand it.

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Speaker 3: I just do you spell it so people can look

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Speaker 3: it up on their own.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't want people.

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Speaker 4: Is it G Y A T T?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: But in this case, it's an f l y A

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Speaker 2: t tt flea.

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Speaker 5: Okay, hey, keep on squatting, Matt. You'll get there, You'll

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Speaker 5: get there.

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Speaker 6: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So first story, you guys, Uh, we're gonna We're gonna

685
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Speaker 2: go with a weird one. I've got two stories about death. Sorry,

686
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Speaker 2: tend to do that sometimes, and then another one that

687
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Speaker 2: there's like two stories at the end that are more

688
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Speaker 2: future facing or looking up, let's say so. The first

689
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Speaker 2: one is about an ex Kansas police detective who was

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Speaker 2: charged with some pretty terrible things and uh, he was

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Speaker 2: discovered this Monday, as we record, on Wednesday, December fourth,

692
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Speaker 2: he was discovered dead by apparent suicide in his home

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Speaker 2: on the day a federal civil rights trial was to begin,

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Speaker 2: where he was charged with sexually abusing uh several women,

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Speaker 2: several black women over several decades, and accused with starting

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Speaker 2: some form of sex ring.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was hearing about this on our local MPR affiliate

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Speaker 3: a little while back when the news broke. I think

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Speaker 3: it was jury selection was at the point that we're at.

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Speaker 3: He was due to show up for jury selection.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The reason why he was found is because he was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be in court that day. He was allowed

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Speaker 2: to stay at his home like essentially under house arrest

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Speaker 2: as this trial was beginning and he was due in

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Speaker 2: court and he didn't show up, so there was a

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Speaker 2: warrant to go and get him, and they discovered him

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Speaker 2: there in his home. Let's go into some of these details,

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Speaker 2: and we're getting this from NBC News. The title is

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Speaker 2: ex Kansas police detective found dead on first day of

712
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Speaker 2: federal civil rights trial. It was written by Eric Ortiz

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Speaker 2: and Michael Kossner KOs Nar. We'll just start here and

714
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Speaker 2: arrest warrant had been issued when Roger Glubski, seventy one,

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Speaker 2: failed to appear at a federal courthouse in Topeka, Kansas,

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Speaker 2: on the first day of jury selection. Law enforcement received

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Speaker 2: a nine to one one call and responded to his

718
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Speaker 2: home in Kansas. It's a place called Edwardsville to suburb there.

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Speaker 2: Police reported he had suffered a fatal gunshot wound and

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Speaker 2: there were no indications of foul play. Again, like initially,

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Speaker 2: nobody would say whether or not it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: if he had taken his life by his own hand.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of those situations where there are officials

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Speaker 2: who make statements, but they won't tell you who they are.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're not going to go on record with it,

726
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Speaker 2: but they'll tell you as a reporter. It appears to

727
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Speaker 2: have been suicide.

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Speaker 3: An individual familiar with the case.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, very very similar writing there. So let's get into

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Speaker 2: what he was charged with and why it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: He was charged in twenty twenty two with federal civil

732
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Speaker 2: rights crimes, accused of exploiting black women for sex and

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Speaker 2: for framing people for crimes that they did not commit,

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Speaker 2: or at least that the person who was accused of

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Speaker 2: the crime and then went to jail for the that

736
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Speaker 2: person says they didn't do it.

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Speaker 6: And this guy is.

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Speaker 2: At least accused and was accused of putting those people

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Speaker 2: in jail when he knew that they were not actually

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Speaker 2: the person who committed the crime.

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Speaker 3: Even to the point where that those false arrests or

742
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Speaker 3: ad embedding that kind of crime and framing people would

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Speaker 3: be weaponized or leveraged, right yes, to further abuse women.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because he had basically we have to continue on.

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Speaker 2: But he it appears that he had a criminal organization

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Speaker 2: of sorts that he was at least somewhere involved in

747
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Speaker 2: near the top where he was it's disgusting selling women

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Speaker 2: for sex for at least a period of time that

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Speaker 2: was known to the investigation.

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Speaker 6: So here we go.

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Speaker 2: He retired in twenty ten after thirty five years with

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Speaker 2: the Kansas City Police Department. He pleaded not guilty to

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Speaker 2: six counts of deprivation of civil rights, and federal investigators

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Speaker 2: said the case was related to the rape of a

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Speaker 2: woman from nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: and another woman from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand

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Speaker 2: and two while he was while he was employed there

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Speaker 2: with the Kansas City Police Department. And he was also

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Speaker 2: charged with three others in a separate case for allegedly

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Speaker 2: and here it is quote running a sex trafficking ring

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Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety eight, that quote

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Speaker 2: held women captive. So whatever that means, whatever the actual

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Speaker 2: details are of that situation, it sounds horrifying. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: this is a guy who retires and then fourteen years later,

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Speaker 2: he's sitting at home on house arrest, getting regular dialysis treatments,

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Speaker 2: facing life in prison if convicted, and he made the

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Speaker 2: choice to take his own life rather than have to

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Speaker 2: face the consequences in a public arena like that.

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Speaker 3: And to be clear that for everybody listening, want to

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Speaker 3: go back to the two things you mentioned at the

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Speaker 3: beginning of that. When we're saying that someone was sexually

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Speaker 3: assaulted from X time to why time, what we're saying

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Speaker 3: is this was happening repeatedly. Yes, this is all horrific,

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Speaker 3: unclean stuff. But just no, folks, we're not talking about

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Speaker 3: one off situations. When Matt's giving us that timeline, he's

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Speaker 3: talking about abducting people, coercing them into sex work very

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Speaker 3: close to trafficking, especially with captivity involved.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a police officer abusing power like that is

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Speaker 2: we use the ben use the word unclean a lot

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Speaker 2: that and I particularly like that when it comes to

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Speaker 2: these kinds of situations. But in this case, with this guy,

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Speaker 2: for that many years, like at least three separate times

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Speaker 2: were their stints of two three years at a time

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Speaker 2: of this kind of abuse, I can imagine why this

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Speaker 2: person didn't want to go into court and hear all

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Speaker 2: that evidence you know, presented and talked about in front

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Speaker 2: of him, and all of these other human beings looking

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Speaker 2: at him, and you know, the world stage looking at him.

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Speaker 6: I can imagine.

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Speaker 3: That the analysis in prison is also pretty close to

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Speaker 3: a death sentence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not great. The tragic thing in this situation

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Speaker 2: is that all of the victims, all the families of

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Speaker 2: the victims, all the people who were affected by this man,

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Speaker 2: don't get that moment of clarity, that moment of like

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Speaker 2: hearing it all coming to light and air it out

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Speaker 2: and getting some kind of I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what you get from that, but at least a

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Speaker 2: tiny bit of feeling as though the truth came out.

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Speaker 3: Right, people were held accountable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, somebody gets held accountable, and it just again, it's

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Speaker 2: just spoken. It's something about the truth being spoken out loud.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine that being a very helpful, positive thing,

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Speaker 2: as hard as it may be in the moment. But

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Speaker 2: they're never going to get that now because this guy's

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Speaker 2: gone and the trial, the trials are basically dropped or

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Speaker 2: the it's just over. There's no defendant, there's no case.

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Speaker 3: And it's over to prosecute.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure the investigations continue, or hope the investigations

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Speaker 3: continue into co conspirators, into other people who may have

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Speaker 3: aided in the pursuit of these crimes. Because over this

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Speaker 3: degree of time, over this long window of time, it

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Speaker 3: is incredibly unlikely that someone, perhaps a colleague or a

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Speaker 3: coworker did not know.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Well, the one of the good things that's happening right

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Speaker 2: now is that there are a bunch of other lawsuits

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Speaker 2: coming up with regards to the Kansas City Police Department

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Speaker 2: that have to do with some of this stuff. There's

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Speaker 2: one attorney, Danny A. Diez I think is how you

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Speaker 2: say she's with Jay Z's. I think they're called Team

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Speaker 2: Rock or something like that. They've got a fairly large

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Speaker 2: lawsuit going on about the entirety of the Kansas City

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Speaker 2: Police Department and basically accusing them of not giving records

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Speaker 2: when they're supposed to be giving these records that have

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Speaker 2: to do with corruption, they have to do with basically

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Speaker 2: laws being violated within the police department. So hopefully that

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Speaker 2: will be ongoing and will be something, you know, something

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Speaker 2: will happen. Yes, all right, anyway, that's terrible situation, you guys.

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Speaker 3: And it's an active conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, second thing isn't really a conspiracy. Isn't really anything

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Speaker 2: that we need to worry about. It's a little many

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Speaker 2: nightmare scenario maybe in my head, and I wanted to

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Speaker 2: see if you guys like share this or just what

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Speaker 2: we think about it. I'll talk about the story first,

837
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Speaker 2: then i'll give you the information to look it up.

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Speaker 2: There's a woman named Elizabeth Pollard. She's sixty four years old.

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Speaker 2: She was out, at least according to her family, looking

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Speaker 2: for her cat, Pepper, because she couldn't find her cat,

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Speaker 2: cute little cat named Pepper. Well, i'll read part of this.

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Speaker 2: Her car was found at a restaurant. Parked at a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Inside her car was her granddaughter, a five year old granddaughter.

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Speaker 2: She was not found anywhere Elizabeth. There began a hunt

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Speaker 2: for Elizabeth. Where the heck did she go?

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Speaker 4: Where is she?

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Speaker 2: Why was her granddaughter alone in the car?

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Speaker 6: She was out?

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Speaker 2: You know, it was known she was out looking for

850
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Speaker 2: her cat. The people who were out looking for her

851
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Speaker 2: found a manhole sized opening that was a sinkhole that

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Speaker 2: led down into a mine shaft into like where there's

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Speaker 2: known mine shafts. And it is believed that this woman

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Speaker 2: was out looking for her cat pretty nearby to where

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Speaker 2: her car was parked, and she ended up falling down

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Speaker 2: into essentially a sinkle or a sinkhole opened up over

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Speaker 2: this mind shaft as she's walking through the woods looking

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Speaker 2: for her cat.

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Speaker 5: A dark lottery, right, do you think that's where the

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Speaker 5: cat was?

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Speaker 2: Well, who knows? In this case, it's again it's not

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Speaker 2: known whether she fell into a hole as she's looking around,

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Speaker 2: maybe as it's getting dark, or if the sinkhole opened

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Speaker 2: up as she's standing over top of it. It doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: The authorities don't even know if she's in that hole.

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Speaker 2: They're still searching for her. I think it's one of

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Speaker 2: those unfortunate situations where the probable scenario is that she

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Speaker 2: fell in somehow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And sinkholes also can kenneker suddenly, they can, they

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Speaker 3: can run in packs. Sinkholes can move deep. As you remember,

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Speaker 3: perhaps when I lived in Central America for a time,

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Speaker 3: sinkholes were simply a part of what could happen at

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Speaker 3: your house or when you're walking around. Luckily, happy to

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Speaker 3: report I have not been involved in a fatal sinkhole situation.

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Speaker 3: But there's not really a way to a way for

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Speaker 3: the average person to be super aware of this happening.

877
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: If you're unlucky enough to be around when a sinkhole

878
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: is occurring, when it's germinating. I'm using that word incorrectly

879
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: for fun. When that happens, your odds being able to

880
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: physically run away or cling to something stable are pretty low. Yeah,

881
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: I think usually it sounds like what happened is this

882
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: formed before this distraught individual happened across it, and maybe

883
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: they were running toward trying to find their cat and

884
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: not able to be entirely cognizant of the environment in

885
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: which the maage.

886
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it's unknown, and especially because it is about

887
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: the size of a man, So imagine that that's like

888
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: the size of your torso plus a little bit, basically, right,

889
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: And when you look at the hole, it looks like

890
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: a patch of grass and in the center there's just

891
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: a hole punched and then it goes down thirty feet

892
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: like nine meters and you know, visualize thirty feet that's

893
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: pretty far to where you feel like you're just watching

894
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: walking on flat land. And then this, I mean almost

895
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: a human sized hole opens up and you just PLoP

896
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: right through it.

897
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: It's deep enough to cause to cause possibly death depending

898
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: on how you fall, but definitely it's deep enough to

899
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: cause mobility ending injuries, right like this can crack a femur,

900
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: this can break a thigh, well, yeah, yeah.

901
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Especially if the earth that if you imagine like it's

902
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: essentially a bubble underneath there, right, and there's a tiny

903
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: layer of earth above you, that tiny layer lets go,

904
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: and then other parts of that earth collapse in on

905
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: top of you as it collapses, and you essentially could

906
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: be buried a lot in that moment. Sorry, it's just

907
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: a new nightmare kind of thing that's unlocked for me personally.

908
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 6: I don't know about you, guys.

909
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: I think it is for a lot of people.

910
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, I just feel I feel it in my chest,

911
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: I guess when I think about it, because there's just

912
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: all kinds of woods that I love to run around.

913
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 6: And who knows what's underneath there?

914
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: Haven't I don't have a geological survey that shows, you know,

915
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: the Condy cave systems.

916
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: We haven't heard back from Accounting yet either on our

917
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: pitch to get a light oar.

918
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 4: Device for everybody needs one.

919
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 3: Accounting right us back.

920
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is another tragic situation. You can go

921
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: to AP news and read the article surch extends into

922
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: the Night for Pennsylvania woman who may have fallen into sinkhole,

923
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: written by Mike Skullfarro s C O. L.

924
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: F O r O.

925
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 6: That was written December third of this year.

926
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: As we record, guys, we don't have much time to

927
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: cover the asteroids, so this is what we'll put out there.

928
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: You can look this up if you want to. Asteroid

929
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 2: burns up before hitting Earth, creating ball in the sky.

930
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: This is written in USA Today by Eric Legata on

931
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 2: December fourth today, as we record, this is a story

932
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: about a very tiny, seventy centimeter roughly wide asteroid that

933
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: hit the Earth and it just as it interacted with

934
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: the atmosphere as you've seen in movies, it just burned

935
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: up and pretty much turned into nothing. Seventy centimeters that's

936
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: like twenty seven and a half inches in diameter. Tiny,

937
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: not a big deal. The thing that is a big

938
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: deal about it is that humans only knew that it

939
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: was coming a couple hours before it impacted.

940
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: By predicting a natural disaster exactly like a tornado.

941
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the thing that just happens, and it's

942
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: not going to stop happening. And we're going to do

943
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: our best as humanity to identify and categorize and understand

944
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: the trajectory of all of these objects that are flying

945
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: around us in orbit and you know, we'll see what happens.

946
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: Thing we always like to say is head on over

947
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: to spaceweather dot com or a similar source. You can

948
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: see a giant list of the upcoming near Earth asteroids

949
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: that are known about that we know about, because this

950
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: one was not on that list.

951
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 6: Double checks this morning.

952
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: I like to call it reservations versus walkins.

953
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 6: There you go.

954
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: There are unfortunately a lot of spacewalkins. Another source. You

955
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: and I were both leaning on the excellent folks at

956
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: Live Science here, Matt, I think Live Science comes up

957
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: again at the end of this program.

958
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's Live Science. Will jump to them really quickly.

959
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: And here's another story that was published yesterday. As we

960
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: record massive quote potentially hazardous asteroid do to make closest

961
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: ever approach to Earth tonight and you can watch it live.

962
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: This was written by Pandora de Wan yesterday.

963
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: That's an awesome name.

964
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 6: Yes it is. I hope that's a real person and

965
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 6: not like some program.

966
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: This time. It's a stadium sized asteroid named twenty twenty

967
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: x ARE and it is coming into the closest approach

968
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: to Earth on record, and that is happening today as

969
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: we record on December fourth, So if something happens, it's

970
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: too late. As you're hearing this, it already happened. But

971
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 2: it does appear that nothing is going to happen.

972
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 3: It is just.

973
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: Creepy to think about a stadium, Like if you just imagine,

974
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't know a stadium.

975
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 6: I don't know stadiums, guys.

976
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: What's the Atlanta one? The football stadium?

977
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 4: Mercedes Benz?

978
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, imagine Mercedes Benz just like flying past Earth

979
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: and you can look up and like, hey, it's the Falcons.

980
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: It's like that, but it's not as crazy. It is

981
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: crazy to imagine it traveling twenty seven and a half

982
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: thousand miles per hour. Twenty seven and a half thousand

983
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: miles per hour. Just can't even can't even imagine it.

984
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: It's going to reach a minimum distance of one point

985
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: three seven million miles from Earth, which is its closest approach,

986
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 2: but it is nowhere near close enough to impact us,

987
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: at least according to the models. And that's what we'll

988
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: rest easy on this week.

989
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,040
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990
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,600
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00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:39,040
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1019
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,800
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1020
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,240
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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,560
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1023
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1024
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: Orca intelligence, there's a strong disturbing argument that they're looking

1025
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,680
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