WEBVTT - Ep. 283: Meat Glue 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug Bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.080 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.400 every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. Uh, you 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.640 want to talk about severely bug bitten? You know what? 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:44.000 That's a reference to the andro of the podcast. Very good? Um, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:49.000 holy shit. So, Uh, I'm working I don't even know 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.239 if you guys know about this thing. I'm working on 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.360 this same with Phelps, where I've been saying to him 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.240 how I wanted, uh do a turkey call project Jason 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.760 Phelps and Phelps game calls. I want to do a 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.400 turn call project where we walk people through the process 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:08.840 of making turkey calls. Starting with a tree. So he's 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.880 got a buddy where he hunts in. Um, he'd hunted 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.760 there to spring on this guy's place in Kansas. And 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.840 this guy's got a ton of black walnuts not far 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.200 from Walnut, Kansas, so many black walnuts. And he's got 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.200 a bunch of oh sage orange on his place. So 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.480 me and Felts went there and we're with some walnut 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.800 experts and cruised around while you're smirking, she never heard 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.640 of a walnut walnut expert. That's a pretty neat is 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.880 this guy's hat, says, we buy walnut logs. I hinted 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.200 very heavily about wanting that hat, but did not take 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.880 the bab was like, my goodness, that's a nice hat. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.240 I'd love to have a hat like that. Give me 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:56.160 your hat, pick it up. Walnut, Kansas. We selected a 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.000 big gass walnut. I felled it and learned a new 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:06.280 felling technique. Um, like when you're cutting stove wood, you 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.200 know how like the classic and they do it out here. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.760 You know, you got your class where you cut the 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.160 v notch, you know, I mean they want that thing 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.519 down to the dirt, man, like you could drive a 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.120 lawnmower over the stumps they leave in the woods. They 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.679 don't because it's expensive lumber. Yeah, Like when they're doing 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.600 these like very you know, I mean they you could 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.720 be cutting down a seven eight thousand dollar tree, you know, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.720 Um yeah, they don't. I mean down to the dirt, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.119 and they court I'll have to get into a similar time. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.800 And it was learned learning interesting felling technique so we 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:46.840 felt a big gass walnut and we fetishized its not 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:54.079 like big in what a walnut could be, but uh yeah, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:59.840 twenty eight inch bar wouldn't get through it. Um fetishized 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.960 with a drone and stuff like that, so people can 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.560 really get to know the tree. Well, what's his name 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:10.639 or her name? And then Phelps Then we went and 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:16.560 Phelps cut down uh oh sage orange and our estimate 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.680 is that we'll get a thousand pot calls out of 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:26.040 that black walnut. What's the orange for the strikers? He 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.160 thinks we'll get over a thousand strikers out of the 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.520 o s a orange, cut it down, bucked it up, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.160 brought it to a mill, milled it into and uh 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:40.400 we milled it um six It's kind of weird how 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.920 they do it. Six quarters so inch and a half pieces, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.040 but they don't say that when you're running the mill. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.520 They say six quarters. I was like, you mean like 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.800 an inch and a half and they're like six quarters. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.440 That's why you didn't get that hat smart And then 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.320 the strike of pieces we milled smaller and uh anyways, 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.760 holy cowman, did I get mauled by chiggers the first 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.160 day I did the promethron all over the place. Um. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:10.880 The second day, we're like going to the mill and 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.360 I didn't know what the hell I pictured it. I 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.360 don't know. We're going to this guy's mill, and um 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.839 I wanted being His mill is basically out in knee 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.960 knee high grass and we were out there for five 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.839 hours mill and lumber. And I didn't do anythings. I 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.320 just had a pair of sneakers on and man, that 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:32.120 came up my legs. Dude, I'm in like suffering. Oh 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.600 this is different bleach bath yet. No, I haven't done 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.320 any of those tricks we learned the Missouri Like what 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:44.200 do you do you see a diesel fuel? Yeah, don't 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.920 stop bleach. I'm trying to imagine my wife where I'm like, no, baby, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.840 I'm just gonna fill this up with diesel. Feeling like 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.040 everybody we talked to you told us a false. In Missouri, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.320 everybody told us a false. And about what chiggers do, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.680 we were told many times that they lay eggs inside 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.359 of you and you need to kill the eggs with 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:11.240 gas bleach yah or by like shut eggs can't breathe 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.240 a lot of misinformation. I go to the doctors. I 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.479 even know, I had to go on steroids. I got 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.800 it so bad. The first time I got it, I 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.600 was like running a fever from Yeah, yeah, she's been there. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.240 She's like, do they like lay an egg inside of you? 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.000 I'm like, no, they don't lay an egg inside. The 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.880 doctor asked you that, like, it's not a bot fly. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.200 She gave me steroids though, and then so that and 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.560 then this, like, well on my arms. I was camping 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.520 with my kids on Saturday night and we got up 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.160 Sunday morning, went for a hike and it got pretty 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.360 hot out and the kids wanted to strip down and 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.960 jump in this little creek and it's just the temperature 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.960 came up and it was just we're in a big 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.520 burn area and it's crazy wild flowers and just pollinators everywhere, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.040 and man, it got to like, I don't know, at 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.200 some magical temperature, everything just turned crazy and the kids 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:04.280 got stung up. I got this one that's from a beasting. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.400 I thought that was the royds. No getting amped over there. Yeah, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:12.400 there's like a bicep size well on Steve's its harm 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.400 below his elbow looks. It looks like it's just I 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:16.920 feel like you need to go to the doctor and 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.800 have it drained. I'm gonna wait and see. He's my 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.800 doctor's love. He's going to wait and see. Method. Stay 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:31.240 tuned everyone for the next Instagram post where Steve work 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.880 on Instagram. I might put that on here. So the 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.760 thing we're gonna do is we're gonna have a thousand 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.479 turkey calls. I'm gonna call it. We're gonna call it 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.040 the line one call in reference to the line one Herford. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.240 I just like that line one. So we're gonna number 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.880 him one doing. What does that mean? Because the next 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.800 time we chop a tree down and do a whole thing, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.680 we're going to film the whole thing. So we cut 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.679 it down, milled it. We're gonna film killing, drying the lumber. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.560 You're gonna be exciting. We're gonna have well, just the 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:06.480 thing about it, Yeah, it's the videos. The videos eight 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:14.200 weeks long TV. People be like, man, that one part 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.120 where it's like in that killing for six hours only 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.280 six weeks. I got boring. Film the whole process, and 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.920 then we're gonna sell the calls, and so you can 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.600 get a call where you watch the whole process happened, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.760 cut down the tree. But here's what we want to do. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.120 We're gonna number them like fine art, like print runs. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.000 So whatever, if the tree yields one thousand and eleven calls, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.880 we're gonna sell one thousand and eleven numbered one to 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.440 one thousand and eleven. And it's off the tree that 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.480 I cut, and the striker comes from the tree that 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.320 Felps cut, and we do the whole thing. What we 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.200 want to do is then have a drawing and we 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.160 draw a number one to one thousand eleven. Whoever holds 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.840 the call gets to go hunt the place where the 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.640 tree came from. You mean, whoever whoever filled killed ads 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.600 from the tree? Who you mean whoever pulls number one? No, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.960 you take numbers one, take ping pong balls and have 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.680 someone I don't know who spencer or someone ping pong 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.720 balls and label them one to eleven, and you put 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.960 him into the one of those ping pong ball blowers 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.800 eventually spits a number out, spits a ping pong ball out. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.560 Whoever bought that turkey call gets to so let's say 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:34.520 it spits out like nin Whoever holds that call gets 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.160 a free turkey hunt where we cut the trees down. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.600 And I think we would call in and kill a 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:45.120 turkey on the stump. That's good content. Yeah, that's good. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.080 I feel like Spencer. He acts like he doesn't like 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.959 my idea. I love it. Yeah. Joined by Kevin Gillespie. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.240 What's up, guys, and our very own Daniel Prude is 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.400 here as well. Don't make it up to the old 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.040 office very much, do you. I was just telling them 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:06.240 my last time here was that Christmas party. Really that's 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.760 probably a good time. That's a nice job. I should 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.480 do that long time. Yeah. So you probably just go 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.559 weeks atout doing nothing because no one, no one to 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:20.360 catch you. I wish no just be like, oh yeah, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.640 I'm real busy now I bother everybody on Slack and 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.040 tell everybody and we need a meeting. It's a true 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:32.839 story from Kevin Gillaspie of many things, like red Beard 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.280 Restaurant group, well for now until it's starting to go gray. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.120 So we may be changing the name of the restaurant. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.040 You really changed around the gray Beard like a pirate 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.000 theme park, Yes, speckled Calico Beard something I don't know. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.600 We gotta work to gray Beard. Um did a couple 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.839 of stints over at Bravo's Top Shelf. Ye is working 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.360 with us now good stuff. Yeah. Man, somebody at the 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.360 montana Al Works had a freak out last night when 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.800 they recognized me from Top Chef. Yeah. I ended up 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.280 taking photos like ten people at their works last night. Yeah, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.040 it just started a chain reaction. I don't think the 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.439 tenth person knew who I was, and they were like, well, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.880 something's happening over here. Yeah, exactly. I think they thought 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.760 I was Zach Brown. Maybe I don't really know who 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.640 they thought it was. It'd be fun to do, uh, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.199 just to stage one of those and take a completely 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.920 unknown person a few people act blowing away that they 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.000 saw them, and then see if it's contagious. It will 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.880 work guarantee. When I was in school, um, these I 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.720 knew these two painters and they did this little series 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.640 they were doing where they would going to a restaurant 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.319 did they just did like a social experience where they'd 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.040 film it to make these funny videos about they'd go 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.800 in to a restaurant and they'd have someone leave all 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.679 their stuff out and have their food and they'd have 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.240 to go to the bathroom. So they'd say to the 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:47.920 person at the next table, Hey, do you mind watching 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.400 my stuff? I can run in the bathroom and people are, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.400 you know, but then the other one of them would 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:59.240 come in and start eating the food, and they would 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.640 watch to see the person who had agreed to watch 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.320 the stuff. How the person would respond to someone like 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.800 very sneakily sitting down and trying to quickly like eat 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.480 their food. And most people wouldn't confront them, really know, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.120 they'd look and that's terrible. Yeah, they wouldn't. They wouldn't 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.000 do anything. So they had agreed to do it, but 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.480 they bail. They would bail. But some people would say 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.960 something once they start eating, it's too late. So you 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.640 just kind of like they look like, you know, just confused. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.760 I can imagine that there'd be people people aren't that, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.080 you know, they don't observe things that well. They might 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.600 even think that was the person who went to the bathroom. Yeah, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.200 it's just like because it's like a thing you just 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.720 say to people like in the airport, or you might 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.319 watch my someone It's like, I don't know, I don't 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.679 think watching their stuff. I'm fairly certain that the security 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.559 video now tells you to immediately tell someone if someone 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.760 asks you to watch their bag. What you do is 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.360 watch this bag and take it on the plane with you. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.280 Would you just watch this briefcase of mind and if 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.160 it shakes, it's fine. I miss uh that genre of 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.400 TV hidden camera. I feel like in other countries it's 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.600 still like a thing, but for some reason in our 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.760 country we were just like we left it behind. No 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.560 I think like no, I think it's thriving really, like 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:14.880 the whole punked thing and all that was the whole thing, 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.040 Like who's the guy that's got the who's the nighttime 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.520 guy that's got the cute little haircut? All of them, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:31.760 James Cord, Jimmy, Yeah, they're big Franks, but Conan hasn't 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.280 done nighttime TV, and it thought he's got like a 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:42.160 lately he's they're big in before you real quick. Uh, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:43.679 we'll get back some of the stuff and that we 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.480 gotta cover off on a couple of things. So a 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.559 little bit of news about macro fructations there. It is 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.400 so I had I was using the word the other 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:57.560 day that that um was so off so not a 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.160 word that it yielded zero Google reasonlds like there's no 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.200 spencer said you can bang your keyboard and get hits 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.480 nearly and certain like bang your keyboard and search that 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:14.520 it'll something macro froctation zero hits. Well, so many people 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.160 went to look up macro froctation after the episode came 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.280 out that now Google will auto phil macro froctation to 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.600 the real word. No, there is nothing. But then some 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.520 guy I said, I wanted to get the domain name. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.800 Some guy went and got the damn domain name right 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.800 out from under me by Wednesday. On Wednesday, the episode 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.160 came out on Monday. By Wednesday, someone had secured the 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.160 domain that just goes to the episode. You're gonna be 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:43.520 stuck with macro froctation exactly. How would we have? Yeah, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.160 so I gotta get like the macro function dot com. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.840 I think he's probably gonna try to hold his ransom 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.559 to get the damn u r l uh. We got 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.760 some shirts. We got some macro froctation shirts coming out. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.160 But I want to point out I did the other day. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.040 I was like, man, we need to do limited on 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:06.400 a macro fructation shirts. I was a syllable off, Yeah, 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:14.280 macro what's the actual word macro fructification. Syllable off Ridiculed 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.560 by my colleagues. I lost some faith in Google after this, 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.440 that they couldn't figure out that's what you were looking for. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:27.680 Fructification means that the act of fructify, fructifying, the act 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:32.520 to fructifying, or so this is this is this is it. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:39.880 Fructification means the act of fructifying or the fruiting of 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:45.880 a plant, fungus, etcetera. A macro fructification is a large 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:51.480 or macro fun guy fruiting. But this is only for mushrooms. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.160 It's not like a fruit tree. I don't see why 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.720 you wouldn't be able to call an apple a macro fructification, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.600 which I might start a macto macro fructication or whatever 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.640 dictation fructation. Yeah, I don't know how many people throw 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.880 this word around. I can't. I don't think I can 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.280 even say I could try it out. Macro macro fructification exactly. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.680 That's a mushroom. So the underground body of a mushroom, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:24.440 the mycelium. Something triggers it, like burns. Burns like burns 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:32.840 make morrel. Burns make morrel my celium go crazy. It 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.520 somehow triggers it and it throws off what I call 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:45.560 massive macgirl fructations shortened from fract You know I'm talking 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:51.400 about fructo paganins. Well, I guess Spencer. Now we can 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.440 just start adding that word into all of our morell 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:58.760 articles to hit perfect. Now, the moral of the story 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:04.360 is the only hit. If I'm wrong, well, that's gonna 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:10.360 be extra lame. The moral of the story, good Man's 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.240 on it. He came up with can we use that? 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.200 Is that the title of the actual article? Now it's 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:22.000 the title of this episode, the macro froctation. Uh, God 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.080 feels good. Like he's like a jingle guy. I feel 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.040 like you missed your calling as like a jingle man. Well, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.640 I'm I'm starting. I'm using this as a launchpad to that. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.600 The morale to the story, does it does hit your 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.000 all of a sudden. I can't help it, Steve. It's 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.040 gotta be a deodorant company out there that needs your help. Yeah, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.280 he works in like sub He works at a sub 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.760 sentence level. That's true. Just like he doesn't have good sentences. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.040 He just says good like good like um partial sentences 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.960 whatever you call little micro snippets. Yeah, he's a jingle man. Yeah, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.640 it's perfect. The morale of the story is even when 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:09.119 I'm wrong, long, I'm only a little wrong. That's the uh, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.840 i'mgoing debate about whether or not naming your kid hunter 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.560 would backfire on you. Um, and that you know there's 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.000 people wrote in a while ago. UH on the episode 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.240 called Controlled Rock with Brad Leone, we some people wrote 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.600 in where a guy wanted name his god dude's last 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.240 name is Fisher. We talked about this. He wants the 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.840 name is kid Hunter, so his kid's name is Hunter Fisher. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.000 His wife's like, doesn't want to do it, but she 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.280 said if if me or John, He said it was 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.720 a good idea that he could do it. Everybody said 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.520 bad idea. I said, good idea. What do you think 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.960 about that? Johanni Hunter Fisher. Travis was almost named Hunter 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.040 and his dad was like, well, what if he really 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.919 likes hunting, then he's he isn't it? So what's his 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.840 middle name? His middle name in nas Hunter. But as okay, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:01.119 so you took his name. It did. That's a nice gesture. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.639 I just talked to my boy. UM tell her how 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:10.040 nice it was. I'm not that. Yeah, she kind of 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.800 screwed me on that whole deal. She said she'd do 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.679 it when her passport expired, but she didn't want to 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.919 get a new passport. She didn't want to get all 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.679 the paperwork, so she's like, well, yeah, She's like, if 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.360 my passport or my driver's ices expires, I'll just change 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.680 with them. But why do it now? Like my subway card? 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.359 I still you know, I can't. I don't want to 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.719 change it before I get that. So now it's just 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:38.119 she just never did it. Today's our thirteenth anniversary. Shorter 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.080 amount of time you're gonna want to still hasn't change 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:45.280 your damn name. Um. Anyways, there's a guy. We heard 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.119 about this guy before. There's a game warden. Where is 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.240 he located? Indiana? He's the District one Indiana Conservation Offics. No, 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.360 he won. He was just recently honored with the District 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:03.400 one Indiana Conservation Officer of the Year award, which puts 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.120 him in running for the Pitzer Award, which is presented 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:12.280 to the top overall conservation officer in Indiana and is 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:17.760 selected from among the ten district award winners. This guy 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:25.879 is in the big leagues. His name Hunter Law, Hunter Law. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.880 I used to work for a guy whose last name 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:36.080 was mc cook, Chef McCook. Do you think McDonald's hunted 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.760 that dude down? And hunt that dude down and brought 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:44.160 him up board man, Like, what's gonna cost? Yeah, hunter law, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.199 I thought, so you don't think he should name it 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.199 Joe or no? My idea, someone's idea was the name 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.800 of Joe, middle name Hunter, last name Fisher because like, 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.359 that dude is Joe Hunter Fishery. Honest, how often do 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.239 you bring it up that your wife didn't change her 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:05.680 last name? Never? Never interesting? How many usually be married? 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.480 Almost twenty no sign of turned to the tide on 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:15.119 that one. Twenty years in, she's like John dies and 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:20.119 she changes it? Uh no, it never came up. Did 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.920 your gal take your name? Mind what? My wife didn't either? 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.399 The only one my my wife did. But I specifically 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.359 told her she didn't have to. She still I don't know. 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.320 I don't know why. I didn't know I even had 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.000 the option. Next you told her she didn't have to. Well, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.480 I mean it's her choice anyway. That I was like, 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.400 I'm not going to be offended if you don't take 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.280 my last name. But yeah, my wife's got a solid 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.200 last name. It's a great last name, and it's dying 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:51.159 off Um what leave's like like I shouldn't say that, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.680 like her never mind, it's not dying off. There's playing 0:20:54.680 --> 0:21:01.400 people with that last name. But her sort of her line, Yeah, yeah, 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.880 her end of the deal. Um the hell were we? Well, 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:07.200 we talked to we had we had a guest on 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:12.159 who had gotten toxoplasmosis from eating raw goat meat feral goats. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.600 So they both hunt goats in Hawaii ate the raw 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.639 goatmeat got toxo plasmosis, and that propited a bunch of 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.440 people right in who got the tocks from raw white 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:26.000 tail meat, meaning that that deer was grazing around. And 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:35.840 eight some catship and its wanderings. It's like the house 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:42.720 feral cat. I'm assuming Bob cats cats, so bobcat whatever, 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:48.760 house cat. Yeah, multiple people and and a commonality and 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.480 they talked about is the early symptom being um spots 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:57.800 in your vision? Do you go blind? I haven't heard 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.840 anybody went blind. It's treatable. They were somebody in the 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.719 Instagram comments of the episode saying that they got it 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:06.760 and you can no longer see out of one eye 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.720 and they had to relearn to shoot their rifle from 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:14.720 the other eye because of it. They're still hunting deer, obviously, 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.000 I think. So right there, cooking it so it was 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.359 no more rare. My dad called me about this like 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.760 a couple of years ago, because it was our tradition 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:24.600 as a kid. Is that anytime you would when you 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.160 killed a deer, like we would cut the heart out 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.240 and eat it raw in the field. Like that was 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.960 my family's sort of like honor the animal kind of tradition. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.400 Did it for years? Did it my whole lifle thing? Yeah, 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.439 my dad talked about that too. They eat like an apple, 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.000 yeah exactly. Yeah, Like you just take your pocket knife 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:42.359 and slice pieces of it off and eat it in 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.040 the field like while you're you know, no wrensing, nothing, 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.520 just still hot. My old man went hunt with a 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.639 guy and my dad described his head. He'd eat like 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.919 he's eating huh. Yeah. So I've done it, I don't know, 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.640 a hundred times in my life. And my dad called 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.600 me out of the blue. He left a message. By 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.000 the way, my dad still likes to tell me who 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.080 is on the messages, and he's like, Kevin, it's your daddy, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.520 and I'm like, yeah, I know who this like. But 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.399 he's like it told me about this, and he's like, 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.479 you gotta started, you gotta stop eating him hearts like 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.160 that because you're gonna get this. So I haven't yet. 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.199 By the way, I also I haven't stopped doing that, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.159 so maybe I should. I don't know. I eat like 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:21.960 a smidgeraw dear me, I can't picture quitting, but I'll 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.760 let you guys know if it gets spotty soon. So 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.400 quick note on docks. After we talked about menal Mrs 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.000 Angelo on the lake where I grew up and how 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.479 she would't let you go out on her dock hollyway 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.320 every time you went near your place. Um, we got 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:39.040 a couple of notes some people uh having weird stuff 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.920 happened to him near docks. So a kayaker came out. 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.720 What lake was this on? Oh, Vancouver Island. His friend 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.680 lives in a small town on the island and has 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.600 a dock. Okay, so this dude writes in This dude's 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:57.520 friend has a dock on an island, and this guy 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:00.680 has a problem with otters getting up on his dock, 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.360 which I don't view. It's hard to me to view 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.680 that as a problem. Yeah, it's like an Instagram moment, 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.560 like waiting for you right there, you know. Yeah, if 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.160 someone said to me, like you could have a dock. Yeah, 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.280 and otters use it or not. I would go like, 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:15.800 I'll take the doctor the otters. Yeah, because I think 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:19.080 it's the mess that comes along with the otters. You've 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.560 been You've been on our float in Salteast, Alaska's covered 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.320 with fish carcasses from otters and otter poop, otter poop. 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.359 But still I don't know for the fact that you 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:31.840 have otters on your dock and you get to be like, 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.480 look at those otters, I would probably feed. Well, that's 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.959 probably wrong, isn't it to be out there feeding them? 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.120 They got a poop. It's like their poop is scales. 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.560 It's like a pack of it's like compacted scales and bones. 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.159 I don't know either way. He rigged it up so 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:51.040 it shocks the otters. He rigged it up, so yeah, 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.280 it gives the otters an electrical shock when they clamb 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.640 on there. Anyhow, on the other day, you were saying, 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.439 how like there aren't that main people you'll find that 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.080 are actually like, you know what, I hate nature. This 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.520 might be one of those people. Could be Um, a 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.280 kayaker combs long, grabs hold of the dock, get shocked, 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:13.840 cops get involved. Uh. Another guy was talking about pulling 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.159 up to fish fishing and pulling up to dock and 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.879 got sprayed by water. Matt Elliott rohad. He goes, that's 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.040 a very common thing now. People that don't like ducks 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.520 and geese on their docks, so when the ducks are 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.640 geese pull up and sprays you with water. This guy 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.320 took it to be an anti fishing thing, but it's 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.000 not an anti fishing thing. It's like a duck goose 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:39.280 prevention system. I would see if I was gonna electric 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.200 keep my dock or at least put up a little 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.119 sign said morning. If I was filled, I'd say, like 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:54.440 a hot doc. No, I never said that. Yeah, that's terrifying. Dade, 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.880 my wife, her best friend drowned because of that. Like 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.159 she was. They were like just laying out, I think, 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.520 you know, like tanning on a dock, got super hot, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.919 hopped in the water, went to climb back up on 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.000 the dock. Didn't know that that person had done that 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.720 to their to their it was like a rental house. 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:15.480 Touch the dock from the water, electrocuted him. Yeah, for sure, 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.480 like two people died. It was in I think it 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.760 was Lake Russell in Alabama a few years back. Like 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.719 a big deal. So now the state of Alabama has 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.119 like banned it, like you cannot. You can't even if 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.639 you want to run power to your dock, like for 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:31.000 your boat, it has to there's you know, laws about Yeah, exactly, 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.679 because people just like just do it themselves. Um. I 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.760 want to back up talk about Hunter. Do you know 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:41.760 that our new I was gonna say that I'm redoing 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.800 my whole perspective on Hunter because our new like resident artist. 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:52.040 Oh yeah, well the left up old deer Stands project 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:56.880 onbelievable job that guy did on that This is gonna 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.960 be the number one calendar of all time. It was 0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:00.520 both of you, a fine art call off the cable 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:08.400 book Listen. I'm waging an internal war in this company. Uh. 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:18.280 I have battled with the detractors. I've battled the naysayers. Um, 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.439 I'm coming into it injured but alive. The funked up 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:27.000 old deer Stands calendar. Yeah, is Conter Spencer? Yeah? Please 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.440 tell me what's this job called? Like? What would he say? 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.359 He is graphic designer? No, because we have a graphic 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:38.480 design opening that he's better than at. Yeah, probably like 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.280 art lead of art or something like that, director of 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.560 art director of art director. There you go. Now that 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.520 has a bad connotation too. That's a marketing term ship 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:53.840 all right, but where the hell is the term for that? 0:27:54.920 --> 0:28:00.360 Just to realize what feels all about that un when 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:02.719 it's useful, like we actually need a thing now and 0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.680 he just ordered he's not zinging, he's not co it 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.280 us with the useful zingers that are just throwaways zingers. 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.119 This is so much pressure. I'm gonna change the subject 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.840 and say I'm on your side, Steve with this internal battle. 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.000 I think I think it should still be a book 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.520 were we have ruled it out, and I'm gonna go 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.640 to Tracy and I'm gonna have it be a whole 0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.520 billboard campaign around the country along highways. I think that's 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.879 where this is headed. Apparently one of my buddies from 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.320 high school, since he knows now that I'm working with 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.880 you guys, he texted me out of the blue one 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.399 for submission the other day and I was like, I 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.320 don't think you sent him to me to send him 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.320 to But he apparently saw somebody pulling an old food 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.280 truck down the road the other day that they had 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.440 camo painted, and like, you know the door that you 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.280 would serve hot dogs out of was like their flip 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.480 up door. Hey, what is the email where you're supposed 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.720 to send your submissions? You know it's not my text 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:55.880 message chain, Like, that's not how you send him in. 0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:03.160 It's literally fucked up. Old year stands at the meat Eaterkay, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.800 share that over. I don't know where we're at now. 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:12.680 We've gotten four submissions. We picked our favorites. It's a 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.960 good blend, and you know a lot. Here's nothing about 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.040 this calendar people are going to appreciate. We've got so 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.840 many that only at the last minute. Dude, it occurred 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.320 to us that it could be seasonal. Like, let's say 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.240 you get like an elk calendar, So February, right, it's 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.360 gonna be some elk standing there and freezing ask cold, 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.440 you know what I mean? And like May is gonna 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.520 be an elk licking her little baby. You know, we 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.200 got so many submissions that the pictures look like the 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.360 time of year it's supposed to be. And when can 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.000 folks by this? I don't know telling you what though, 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.320 that dude Hunter, I think you should name your kids Hunter. 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:53.640 That guy but his um contribution to layout in design 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:58.160 m one stand per month, or is it gonna be 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.280 kind of like a collage of stands everyone understand a month? 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.000 Maybe the verticals. See when you get into calendar production, 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:10.560 here we go. I want to spare details. It is 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.160 the best count I think a lot of people are 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.920 going to buy it, and then every year they're gonna 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.120 go in and like take new things on it and stuff. 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.240 I mean, you have enough to do multiple years of 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.640 calendars at this point. It sounds like many submissions. We 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.400 got one of a blind like someone's combine broke down 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.400 and then rotted away for a century, and then they 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:34.680 like converted it into this like that's cover image. But 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.560 this is a calendar. We're not talking right. No, man, 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.480 you'll buy it starting very soon to run it all 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.160 through the next year. Alright. I want to ask one 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:53.200 practical question. Do people still buy physical calendars? Okay? Don't 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.120 people still buy multiple calendars if they don't be out 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.440 of job? Right? Okay, listen, when this thing thems out, 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:06.000 I need I don't care if you burn it. I 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.560 need people to come out very very strong because I 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.920 have battled the naysayers, I've battled the Debbie downers. This 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.400 is the perfect thing to put in your office when 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.520 you don't know what to hang in your office, that's 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:27.440 the calendar. Keep going, sell I asked the same question Kevin. 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.520 I said, aren't calendars maybe kind of a little bit 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:37.920 free nowntiquated? And then Rodie Henderson says, hell no, if 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.200 you got kids, you should calendar every time. I don't 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.360 have kids, So maybe that's the issue. If this, If 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.040 I can sell this calendar like hot cakes, you know, 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.440 I don't know if Yeah, we're back now to another 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.840 question about the volume of hot cakes salt. So if 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:58.160 I can sell this calendar like the Dickens, then that 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.840 pays the way for the fine arts coffee table book. 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:09.880 People really need to help. No, no, it'll be just 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.720 deer stands, the whole coffee. Come on, Daniel, people will 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.320 buy a calendar anothering, but pictures deer Why not the 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.640 deer stands. I just think you could branch out the 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:25.680 book and make it a little bit more comprehensive. Well 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:31.680 that was quick. Maybe the next one. Okay. I think 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.440 the other valuable information that will be included in there, 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.720 other than dates, such as interesting fun dates that will 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.080 give you entertainment and joy, will be worth it. Maybe 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.560 some some poetry, maybe I don't look at everything we 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.320 wrote all the captions. Okay, like we got this one. 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.280 It's a deer stand that honestly, that's an elevated blind. Okay, 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.080 and blow it. They have it like there's a toilet 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:01.680 rigged up below the blind. That seems excellent. Yeah, but 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:06.400 you'd have to like you got a precision, So so 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.560 the captions out or whatever. It's something like you know, 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.120 like sharp shooting it. You know you're gonna ain't the 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.960 only thing you need to aim out of this black whatever? 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.640 I remember what it was. Do you not want to 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:23.000 reveal it? If someone doesn't bikes, they already know, okay, yeah, 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:25.520 you could be casting to be sales and all right, 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.280 they don't do a spoiler. That's the guy who tries 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:29.959 to get every author to reveal the ending of their 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:36.080 buck on the podcast. That's what happens in the end. Alright, 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.600 Spencer talk about the flying Garrett. Oh, then we gotta 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.440 get into buying in the muscle meeting all that kind 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:45.160 of thing. Um Like like a month ago you texted 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.120 me on like a Saturday afternoon. We're like, hey, has 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.959 anyone ever died from eating a fly? Garrick? Why did 0:33:51.040 --> 0:34:00.200 you want to know that because I was, Um, because 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.840 we're writing this book about kids in the outdoors. Okay, 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.240 this first time you're revealing this. So I've talked about 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.360 it at times Outdoor Kids, Inside World. It's about engaging 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.920 kids with nature. Um. And we have a big thing 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.239 in there about there's quite a bit of information there 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.800 about like things I've done with my kids around picking 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:28.120 mushrooms and uh, we one time found, i mean growing 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.920 a hundred yards from our house. I found a fly 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.000 of garrick and they wanted to bring it home and 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:37.920 mass with it and all that. And I was just 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.120 looking at like, well, how bad is a fly of garrick? 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.520 And I was surprised to see that it's that despite 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.760 people thinking it's like the most dangerous mushroom in the world, 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.200 it's not that dangerous, right, I was reading, like my 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.680 colleges can actually find like one case when someone got 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.080 killed from a fly of garrick. Yeah, most people just 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.320 tripp real bad, like not in a pleasant way. And 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.040 if you don't know what a fly garrick is, if 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.520 we walked over the coffee shop and we asked somebody 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.120 standing online, We're like, hey, draw mushroom. They would draw 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.640 a fly garrick, especially they watched the Smurfs, yeah, or 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:15.600 anything like, Yeah, it looks like your your generic stereotypical 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:19.080 like fantasy gnome forest mushroom. Like if you picture like 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:23.399 a gnome coming out of the woods with a mushroom, 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.319 it's a fly Garret. Who I smell a T shirt? Yeah, 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:30.080 that's yeah exactly, that's um, that's the gnome on the 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:36.919 range spice blend um, that's the mushroom. Yeah. Yeah, that'd 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.440 be good T shirt macro fructification. It just has a 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.799 big fly garrick on it. Yeah, I'd wear that. I 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:47.960 think you'd shortened the word down from save I'm printing costs. Yeah, 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.879 there you go. Yeah, Like if you played Mario when 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:54.279 Mario eats a mushroom and like get special powers, that's 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.800 a fly garrick. So they're all over. Everyone knows what 0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:01.200 to fly Garrett. That's right, like the Mario brother one. Mhm, 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:05.640 nop okay, So that's a fly garrick. Anyway, I found 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.040 the instance where somebody died from one, and it was 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:12.000 like a very big deal when it happened. It was 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.200 in eighteen ninety seven. It was in Washington, d C. 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.920 It was eight when you emailed me about this, you 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.480 switched the numbers around. I did. I had in my 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:29.279 head back like an Italian diplomat died. Yes. I was like, 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:30.920 I feel like I would have heard about that, but 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:37.600 I wasn't that old. Eight seven Washington, d C. County, 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.959 count Achilles, because I was like in nineteen eight seven, 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.200 I was like, I can't picture like an Italian diplomat 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:48.520 walking down to whatever the hell the sidewalk, and yeah, 0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:52.960 this story will make a little bit more sense then 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:57.640 I'm not. I'm back in a place in time. Washington, 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.439 D C. Eighteen ninety seven, Count Achilles. Day. I don't 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.879 know how to say his last name, Go for it, 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:08.279 Vitig think that we're just gonna call him the Count. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.840 He was an Italian diplomat and he was fairly famous 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.040 Washington D C. Resident. He uh was sort of in 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.960 like a Lincoln's camp when when he came over, so 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:26.840 he was prior to death. He considered himself a mushroom expert. 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.720 You know he died Lincoln. Oh yeah, not the mushrooms 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.160 counted killer. He considered himself a mushroom expert. Bought some 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.400 wild mushrooms from the k Street market in Washington, d C. 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:44.520 And identified them as the Caesar's mushroom, which is a 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.279 choice edible in Europe. Mhm. But it's in the am 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.760 and Eta family. And if you know anything about mushrooms, 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.280 you know that there is a lot of bad stuff 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.520 or non edible mushrooms in the am and A family. 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.280 So what he thought was a Caesar's mushroom was actually 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.160 a fly get the mushroom, but was peddling it, so 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.680 that guy misidentified it. Yes, but unless he was selling 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.160 it to kill flies, no people would us to kill. 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.160 So the Count bought this mushroom, took it home and 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.759 cooked it for him and a body buddy, Dr. Kelly 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.560 Is who ate the mushrooms with him. He made them 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.080 for breakfast, and they remarked afterwards that they were the 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.879 finest mushrooms they had ever eaten. They were that good. 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.919 M Now, I couldn't find how they cooked them, because 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.440 I was really curious, like if he just threw him 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:32.799 with some eggs or he must have gotten to his note, 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:37.960 butok pretty quick. Yeah, well they're a surviving member of 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:42.040 this story. Oh he remember, Okay, Okay, so he must 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.080 have eaten it, wrote down how good it was and 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.560 then died. So the Count and the doctor both ate 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:52.120 these fly Garrick mushrooms for breakfast. By the afternoon, Dr 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.360 Kelly was incoherent and stupefied. He was at work and 0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.279 the people I worked with him said he was like 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:01.120 totally off. He was in and out of consciousness. They 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.560 took him to the hospital. He recovered by the next day. 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.000 It was like sort of your typical fly Garrick experience. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.680 If you ate too much of wanting you you went 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:14.040 beyond the psychedelic trip, you would end up like Dr Kelly, right. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.160 But the other person to Count Uh, fell violently ill. 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.279 He lost his vision. He went into a coma. At 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.320 the hospital, he had such bad convulsions that he broke 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.400 the bed that he was laying in. Yeah, and he 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:33.200 died the next day. And that is like the fly 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.640 Garrick death. Now here's why, like beyond him being an 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.239 Italian diplomat being like one of the only deaths why 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.200 this was a big deal. This inspired like a huge 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.880 amateur mycology boom. Up until that point, mushroom hunting was 0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:50.440 sort of like for subsidence, like very rural folks did it, 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:59.480 or sustenance sustenance put that into Google, okay, or it 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.920 was like for the educated elite, it wasn't really a hobby. 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:08.319 But according to like folks from that time that the 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.399 middle class was growing and so was like sort of 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.319 recreation like baseball and cycling was taking off in the 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.680 country as well as gathering mushrooms. And when this happened, 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.560 when you had a famous person die from a fly garrick, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.879 the U. S d A. Stepped in, um, a lot 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.840 of like vendors changed the mushrooms they were selling. This 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.200 particular vendor the K Street market. Afterwards they went to 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.560 only selling shaggy manes and puff balls because they didn't 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.040 want this like to happen again. Those are part of 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.400 the fool proof like some people list those in the 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.920 fool Proof for that's right. Yeah. Uh so this this 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.840 had a huge mycology boom afterwards, and the educated folks 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.880 that were really into mycology started creating all these pamphlets 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.840 and very visual aids to help you be a better 0:40:54.920 --> 0:41:02.200 consumer of mushrooms. Huh yeah, I silver lining, that's right. 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.560 They distributed better materials um. Like I said, it changed 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.799 the mushrooms that were sold and and oddly the fly 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.560 Garrick like sort of gave me like a personal renaissance 0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:17.160 with mushrooms. When we were at the Christmas party, or 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.640 before the Christmas party that we were at Danielle. We 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.520 went to this party talking about the one of my house. 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.480 The last time he came to the office, we went 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.920 to Cal's favorite dive bar in town. I think it 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:34.439 was the Hideaway. Is that right? We're at the Hideaway Bar? 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.400 And I went up to the bar in order to drink, 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.080 and there was this like mid twenties guy who was 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.400 on his computer typing away. In his background was a 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.239 fly of Garrick. And I was like, I gotta know more, 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.239 because like, you're just not casually walking around with the 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.240 fly of Eric is like the background of your phone 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.880 or something. Right, Yeah, I mean maybe he likes the 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.080 Smurfs maybe, but I've been interested in that too. So 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:57.719 I was like, Hey, what's up with the fly Garrick? 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.759 And he's like, oh, I'm actually uh study being uh 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.319 the Amida family in the Rocky Mountains. Uh. And then 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.840 we we talked for like twenty minutes about mushroom. He's like, 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:10.560 you should join the Southwest Montana Micological Association. So I 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.000 did so the fly Garrick gave me like a little 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.640 personal renaissance. Are you good friends of that guy? Now? 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.480 You know you made his day, by the way, Like 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:24.080 he working away on his computer and somebody was like 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.239 telling me about the mushrooms screens. It was like his 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.600 dream come true. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, that was it 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.000 like the high point of life right there you are 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.920 in Montana. It's not like you're like a lot of 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:41.160 people pick mushrooms around here, right. I don't know that 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.480 it's like more of a thing here than than other places. 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.200 I believe that it is, thinks, so just it's like 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.080 people are kind of more than tuned. There's places where 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:51.680 people just aren't. There's a lot of people that are 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:53.719 like tuned into the outdoors, right, and there's a lot 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:56.400 of places where people don't don't feel a real strong 0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:02.800 connection to the natural. Houston, you see that on someone's computer, 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:08.680 you're immediately going to think that they're selling psychedelics. You know, 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.800 him talking about that, like those moments that trigger stuff. 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:14.600 I was listening to saying that I was talking about 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:21.680 the It was just historian who looks at people's attitudes 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:26.520 towards the COVID nineteen vaccine, and he was looking at 0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.400 historically other things that there was like, I didn't realize 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:35.560 this smallpox. There was an anti vax crowd on smallpox. 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.479 You know, it had a huge anti movement, was um 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.520 when they tried to roll out pasteurized milk mm hmm, 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:44.960 like a lot of resistance to that, a lot of 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:49.360 resistance to smallpox treatments. UM, And he was it was 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.200 kind of interesting to hear it, putting the perspective of 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:57.479 how people have generally replied or generally responded to things 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.440 that people now like you don't even know, you know, 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.239 I think there's no one questions. I don't know, why 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.080 are people like not wanting a smallpox There's a lot 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.760 of anti vectors and there's a um, I know, there's 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.480 like a whole group in like sort of that like 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:17.319 wellness world with like pasteurization Exactly what I was going 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.080 to say, I was like, that's starting to come back 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.360 like big time. Like you're seeing a lot of folks 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.839 that are back in that camp of like they don't 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.880 want pasteurized anything. Got it? I worked with I was 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:31.600 profiling a livestock detective one time who uh investigated livestock theft. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.600 You know, cattle rustling. And he was in California and 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:40.000 people were getting around pasteurized milk, and California by you'd 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.799 buy a share of a cow, right because you can 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.640 drink your own unpasteurized milk, you just can't sell it right. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.040 So the way the way they figured out Californias, they 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.360 had this little system where I would have a cow, 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.560 let's say, and I would sell ownership of the cow 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.919 to people, and then they're all drinking their own milk. 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.080 They own a share of the cow. Um. He started 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.200 working this case and one of the things he described 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.560 being pretty funny is he goes around, He gets a 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.840 list of everybody that owns this cow and goes to 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.000 their home and says, I'd like to see your brand 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:21.440 inspection paperwork on the cow you own. So this was 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:25.080 like modern cattle Russell. Yeah, yeah, I wrote about it. 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:28.279 So he was working when I was profiling him, he 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.200 was working a big Ponzi scheme, a big cattle rustling 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:35.440 ponzi scheme that involved Keeper Sutherland, not the keeper startling 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:40.120 stole cattle. This guy comes. So when Keeper Sull them 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:44.120 was working on the Young Guns movies, I was hoping 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:45.960 it was the cowboy way but okay, he was work. 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:50.640 He got real interested in team roping and he eventually 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.759 got became friend. He had a team roping partner. The 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:57.640 team roping partner knew a guy that had a planned 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.600 import Coriente Steers. Now, I think there's just too many 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.160 Corientas rounding the markets flooded. But at this whatever this 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.600 moment was, that we're in a let corient A Steers, 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.560 that's what they use, and and like, yeah, rodeo roping. 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.120 The prices got very high in these things. So this 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:21.239 guy comes and says, uh, this guy comes for and says, hey, 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:22.480 I got a plan. We can all make a bunch 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:23.880 of money. I'm gonna go into Mexico and buy a 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.319 bunch of corient A Steers, bring him into the U 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.520 S and will lease him out to all these rodeo circuits. 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:34.680 So he gets a he gets an initial investment, and 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.120 Keeper Sultan was part of the initial investment. Dude never 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.640 even goes to Mexico but just comes and and hands 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.520 him the money plus his returns. Okay, so he whatever 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.720 it was like, he gets like three grand or something, 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.080 and then a couple days later comes and hands him 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.759 back whatever the hell. Four day very quick turnaround, very 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.200 quick return on investment. He'd gotten the money. He had 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.640 gotten the extra money by just stealing cattle and selling them. 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:06.799 So he rustled some steers, sold him goals. If you 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.759 want to get serious to make some real money, let's 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.600 do it again. Then he then he cuts a big 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.120 check and then he had scans with the money. What 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.160 a ski boat? If I remember right, I don't know 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:22.480 I bought a boat. I didn't know cattle rustling was 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.759 still like a career choice. I thought that, Yeah, it's 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.680 usually like most at the time that I wrote my 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:35.480 article about Um, I've optioned that thing so many times. Yeah, 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.320 I thought you optioned the career path. No, my article 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.520 is called Grand Theft Cattle, and people always option it 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.319 from me. But no one's ever made anything out of it. 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:46.799 But everybody thinks they're going to make like a thing 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:52.719 about cattle rustling. Yeah, for sure, dairy cavs um a 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.680 lot of a lot of rustling. It's usually like a 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:56.239 couple of kids. If he was saying, like, if you 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.880 want to look at a profile of a cattle rustler general, 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:04.440 it's like a couple of high school kids, Um have 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.680 a rodeo background. They got an uncle with a goose 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:13.920 neck trailer, and that's most rustling. It's like small scale, 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.200 but there are some big um there are some big, 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.960 large scale operations, and it typically works is like you're 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.719 you're doing it to get slicks like unbranded animals. You're 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:29.640 stealing animals that have an easily manipulated brand so you 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:33.000 can over brand it. Like let's say this isn't the case, 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:37.520 but let's say your brand was OH, and you register Q, 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.719 so you steal O branded cattle. Like let's say you 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.239 own Q and your neighbor owns OH. You steal a 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.080 bunch of his OH branded cattle, burn in the little 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.680 mark that turns it into a queue and sell or. 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.360 You steal cattle and get them into a no brand 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:59.080 state where there's no brand inspection process, so you then 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:04.080 move them over into that interesting world. That's why when 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.920 you register a new brand now it's very complicated. Like now, 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.040 when you register a new brand in some states, they 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.920 make you do this. Uh, you have to do like 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.040 three letters. But guys don't like it because you can't 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.240 burn it with a single iron. It takes like repeated 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.319 burning to get it in there. I was walking on 0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.319 a roll with my old neighbor in Miles City one time, 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:22.840 and they had a you know when you have a 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.960 tree planet and they have like a great around the 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:28.760 tree two for water to come through. In Miles City, 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.880 the greats are all local cattle brands. And he showed 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.799 me a brand in there and he said he just 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:40.279 sold that brand for four thousand dollars because people would 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.040 prefer to buy an old brand rather than register a 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.360 new one, because you can buy an old simple brand. 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.200 I got this brand book from California that's bigger than 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.480 the Bible, and it's all the brands in the state 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.440 and each brand can be registered in like six places 0:49:54.480 --> 0:50:00.520 like front shoulder like uh, right shoulder, right rump, flank, 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:05.200 left shoulder, left rump, left flank like Ronald Reagan's brands. 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.200 In this brand book, it's a fascinating world cattle Brandon. 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:24.719 Where was I m wolf human attacks? Oh, then we're 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:29.640 gonna get into wolves. No, I haven't read it. I 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:33.719 read enough to know I was titilated. Um try to 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.520 get Krim to read it. She didn't read it. Spencer 0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:40.920 read it. It's a report on what is known about 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.640 Is it a new report? Yeah, it's what do we 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:49.680 know about wolves killing people from two thousand two to 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:54.480 two thousand twenty, So the last eighteen years of wolves 0:50:54.600 --> 0:51:00.480 killing folks it identified from fiction. Spencer will do a report. Uh, 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:01.920 you know, we should maybe put in even though it's 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:03.880 your little book report, maybe we should put in our 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:07.680 tailor and recall report intro. I'll just replace it with 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:23.080 Spencer's book report. Yeah. Yeah, like Alexi's voice, Spencer's he's 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.160 got a new album coming out. Um, he's the one 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.520 that tipped us off. We haven't covered yet on Trout 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:32.879 getting high on drugs. Um to cover that story at 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:36.120 some point. So many people do drugs now that it's 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:40.200 in the water, and Trout get addicted to drugs, it's truth. 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.560 I would guarantee that Bent podcast covers at at some 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.879 point too, you think so, I would imagine that's right 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:49.680 up their alley. Trout on Math. That's my new band name. 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.239 They've done Hippos on cocaine. I don't know about Trout 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:57.879 on Matthew So okay, So wolves, like, how many people 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.560 are really getting killed by wolves? Last twenty years? Eighteen years? 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:05.040 It identified four nine human attacks from around the world. 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.880 It included report from places that I didn't even know 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:12.360 had wolves like Saudi Arabia or Israel. Saudi Arabia's wolves 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:21.880 and like fatal killer wolves too. So yeah, huh of 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:30.640 the four Chris, our Middle East expert, our Middle East expert, 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:34.279 know that? Go on are they? What kind of wolf 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:41.200 are the wolves? That's right? Of the four nine attacks 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.960 from around the world in the last eighteen years, twenty 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:49.560 six were fatal. Not only twelve of these four eighty 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:55.000 nine took place in North America or Europe. Okay, very rare. 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.160 Globally in the last eighteen years have been how many 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:06.759 fatalities twenty six? Okay, so one point, I don't know 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:13.560 too people globally every year get killed by wolves globally. Yeah, 0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.400 and you said only twelve of the attacks, not twelve 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:20.400 of the fatalities took place the attacks North America in 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:24.960 the last eighteen years, there have been twelve in our continent. 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.839 Where are most of these happening? Spencer, I mean, that's 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.160 not if it's not North American, it's not Europe like 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:37.960 where in US and Canada. I don't think. I don't 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.000 think Mexico has enough wolves anymore. You tell me any 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.719 attacks there? So the US and Canton in eighteen years, 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:46.840 twelve people got attacked by wolf. How many fatalities? I 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:50.280 think four of those were fatal. One was kind of harrowing. 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.200 You're gonna get into the harrowing one of the joggers. 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.200 Uh no, so they they I don't even read it. 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.480 And I found that they took some of the reports, 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.239 and there's like nobody reports on wolf attacks like North 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.120 America does. Like yeah, if you if you look at 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.839 a wolfe attack from like Banff National Park, like you 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.520 know what color shirt the person was wearing, and what 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.040 they ate for breakfast, and like exactly how many stitches 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:20.560 they got. That's our next calendar actually right behind the 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:28.759 deer blind America. Yeah, here's January's attack from It's only 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.160 gonna take us eighteen years put this calendar together, right, 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:35.279 So like North America like heavily documents this, but then 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.120 you get to like like Yemen or something like that, 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.640 and it's like, oh, the shepherd grabbed the wolf by 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.080 its tail and then the wolf bit it on its 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:48.520 hand and ran away. That makes the report. Yes, Now 0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.000 here's here's something else to note that four eight nine 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:53.600 were confirmed attacks, but they said they had about double 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.360 that that they didn't feel like they had enough information 0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.400 on to be like, yes, this happened, and it was 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:05.760 most certain a wolf, biggest dog, Yeah, exactly, yep. M hm, 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.719 So you didn't find the one the jogger from Alaska? 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.799 Why I pulled aside some of my favorites. One of 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:17.600 them was from port Edward, BC, Canada. May this is 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.560 your just get this straight. This is your favorite wolf attacks? 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:24.480 My favorite wolf attacks from from this summary of like, 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:27.080 uh yeah, of a couple of hundreds. That does sound 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.280 like a book report, like when you're in middle school. 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:34.160 My favorite. Yeah, I'm sure the ones uh in like 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.720 Eastern Europe, in the Middle East and like South Asia 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:42.600 were much better, much better wolf attacks. But like I said, 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.279 it's like, oh, it bit him on the ankle and 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:47.959 then they killed the wolf later that day or something 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:53.560 like that. Yeah, they just don't. It's just not satisfied. Yeah. 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:55.480 The port Edward, BC, there was a man in his 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:59.239 seventies walking home from a party m and he got 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.799 to his front door and a wolf jumped out of 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.719 the bushes and attacked him. And it labeled this as 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.000 a predatory attack, which is one of the most rare 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:13.200 of wolf attacks. Was he faced was he faced. No, 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.319 I didn't say that I was wondering. I had the 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.239 same question. It didn't say that he was attacked, He 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.960 was grabbed by the leg, he was drug off. Neighbors 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:24.279 came over and helped him and like scared the wolf off. 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.560 But then as they did like first aid on him, 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.960 the wolf just hung out and just like circled him 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:33.080 and just like wouldn't leave. He was that hungry and 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:37.160 that unbothered. The man was in the hospital for three 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:40.239 weeks and survived. Six wolves were killed in the area 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.879 and d DNA tests confirmed that they got the one 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:49.759 that attacked him and five others and five others. Where 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.680 was that If that had happened in my neighborhood, that 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:55.640 wolf would have got hit early on, exactly early on 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:59.560 in the evening. Yeah, port Edward, BC. It attacked him 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:04.040 at his on the door. Yeah, then you had North. 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.600 Now why is that your favorite? Because it was one 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:12.480 of the few that like had satisfying enough details. Yeah, 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:16.160 then then you had North Macedonia. January fifty eight year 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.520 old farmer finds a wolf in his sheep barn. The 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.320 man enters the barn, grabs a wolf by his tail 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.160 and tries to pull it out. The wolf then attacks 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.840 him by biting his arms and face, but with the 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:31.280 help of his wife, he gets an axe and kills 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:34.040 the wolf. Good for him. Yeah, it's a great ending 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.479 with ax with an ax. Now it doesn't like say, 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.040 like what assistance his wife offers, or like who great 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:44.840 calendar yielding the ax? Yeah, no, that's a good one. 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:49.440 And then there was a BAMF National Park, Alberta, Canada, August. 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:53.160 We actually covered this one. This one was heavily covered. 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:55.720 We covered this on the mediator dot com and the 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.240 guy was cool about it. We didn't talk to him, no, 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.440 but I mean just other news stories I read about him. Yeah. 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.760 It was a family that was camping in the middle 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.040 of the night. A wolf bites its way into the 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:12.040 tent while the family is sleeping. Father tries to fight back, 0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:14.840 but he's dragged out of the tent and neighboring campers 0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.000 come over. They're kicking the wolf, they're throwing rocks at 0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:21.680 it um and while the wolf is tangled up with 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:25.520 the father, they get it off and the man lives 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:27.600 and the wolf is killed the next day about a 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:35.480 mile away. The middle of the night. M hm. Now 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.880 the paper freak occurrence that happens now and then Yeah, 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.240 I find myself now argue with people NonStop. People that 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:47.240 have that carry pepper spray needlessly they haven't. Parents got 0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:49.880 pepper spray now because the black bears. I got pepper spray, 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.680 because the mountain lions. I got pepper spray because the wolves. 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.760 It's like, this is one thing that warrants pepper spray. 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.800 One animal that warren'ts pepper spray. You have more chance 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.080 of finding up in the hospital from your pepper spray? 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:06.240 Did you do from a black bear or a wolf 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:13.880 or something? In eighteen years? Twelve people? Three hundred and 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:20.439 what now, three hundred seventeen million Americans? Plenty? How many 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:25.439 people in Canada like another half dozen give a take 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:34.880 roughly million and year. It's common for a year to 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.640 go by with no one even getting nipped by a wolf. 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:43.680 That number included Europe as well. What oh, yeah, are 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:48.640 we including in North America? Twelve and and Europe? Let 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:51.120 me find the number here again? And lord knows how 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:55.960 many holders are in Europe. Yeah. The biggest takeaway is 0:59:56.000 --> 1:00:00.680 the wolves aren't a problem. That not No, no, wolves 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.880 aren't a human risk. Sure. The biggest takeaway though, was 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:08.360 that like, uh, wolves love garbage. So many of these 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:12.000 reports talked about how it happened near landfill. It happened 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:15.560 where an area where the wolf was like rating dumpsters 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:18.520 and stuff like that. That's like a commonality no matter 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.760 the continent or no matter like who got attacked, is 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:24.800 that these things are like attracted to human waste and 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:32.240 then some human winds up among the garbage and they're attacked. Yeah, 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:34.560 the paper does not really take a stance on hunting. 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:37.000 It brings up how to prevent wolf tax and it's 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.840 talking about like things we could potentially do as far 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:43.640 as management goes, and it it briefly brings up hunting, 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.439 but they take like a very neutral stance. They're like, well, 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.680 the pros would be that it reduces populations, it causes 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.240 they learned behavior that makes wolves more shy. Uh, it 1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.920 slocks problematic wolves. But then at the same time you 1:00:56.960 --> 1:01:00.160 have these other biologists saying that like whatever personality eight 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:02.840 that is that human is killing in a wolf is 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.640 beneficial to the pack somehow, and it's good to have 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:10.240 diverse populate or diverse population of personalities in a pack. 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:12.720 And you still have a tax happening where it's legal, 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:15.640 so it tries its best to not take a stance 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:21.800 on hunting wolves. Meanwhile, grizzlies in three states killed multiple 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:27.880 people every year. That's a lot. Grizzlies. Moslim in Montana 1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.120 and Wyman kill several people every year. What spurred this 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:34.200 wolf thing did? For some reason because the report just 1:01:34.280 --> 1:01:36.600 came out, somebody got real freaked out of someone. He 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:39.560 Finger send us that report, helfle finger where just half 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:46.000 the things we talked about come from Jim Jim he 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.640 sents it over. I can't keep up with all the 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:53.360 interesting stuff that guy sends over. Uh okay, onto some 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:56.760 a couple of meat questions. This is our segue. That 1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:00.560 was smooth. What was the other thing we wanted to 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:07.439 talk about, Janni the glue and meat together. Tortas? What's 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:11.040 a tortoise? That's sort of a meat question? We can 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:13.640 make it one. A guy wrote in, like, after listening 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:18.600 to Dr Chris Calcolm's he's our our meat scientists that 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.720 we go to with meat questions on a scientific meat 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.720 question level, I would not put him as an adventurous 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:30.080 eater mm hmm, because, like you know, just what kind 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.440 of goes against his training? Not an adventurous eater, though 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.400 he did say, do you even hear about that blue 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:41.200 that bison priscus, the step bison, like the thirty some 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:44.280 thousand years old they found it in the perma frost, 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.840 and uh, I wrote about that one in my Buffalo book. 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:50.800 But anyways, that guy there's a Dale Gothrie researcher. They 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:52.920 had a fundraiser where they cooked that thirty thousand year 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.720 old bison up. What did you say? It tastes a 1:02:55.720 --> 1:03:03.160 little muddy. It's the term that food. He's used to 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:06.640 describe things that tastes like dirt. Like they're like, I 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:11.560 get an earthy note, You're like dirt you mean dirt? Mud? Yeah? Mud? Yeah, 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:15.520 you mean mud. Uh. Chris Calkin says he would have 1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:18.880 eaten that, just to say he did. He would, But 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:21.880 most things he's like, normally I love the guy to death, 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:25.360 but normally he's like, not gonna eat it. Like, if 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.000 you going to him, like what if I found a 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.920 he's he's probably generally gonna He wouldn't say I'm not 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:32.040 gonna eat it. But if you're like what if I 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.720 found him? You know, he'd be like, well, here's the 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.560 things you might want to consider was leans not eating 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:43.040 he's caught cautionary Yeah, Like I was gotten a snake 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:45.840 and found a rat inside of stomach. Can I eat it? 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:47.640 He would be, Um, let me tell you a couple 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:50.880 of things to think about eat that rat. That's like 1:03:50.920 --> 1:03:53.160 every health inspector, by the way, if you ask them, 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.240 like what restaurants do? Would you go to eat there? 1:03:55.240 --> 1:04:02.840 Like I eat at my house across the board? Uh? Oh. 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:06.520 So recent new research suggested that that bison, which they 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:09.560 named Babe, they now think it was fifty years old. 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:15.640 Still way different than thirty six month. Shoot. There's in 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.640 this rock counting book there's a short section on fossils, 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:20.800 and they cover and they're like, what's the youngest fossil? 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:26.240 What could be? Oh, that's great? Yeah's uh, there's not 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:28.840 a satisfying answer. There's like no definition of what a 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.440 fossil really is. And so this person had an example 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:36.000 of where they were at a museum. Where is that sentence? Again, 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.400 no one knows what a fossil is. There's not really 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:42.280 like there's like a very gray area as to what 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:44.320 can be a fossil versus what is Because it's a 1:04:44.360 --> 1:04:48.200 long transitional process and one of the examples was that 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:50.760 this person was in a museum where they had like 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:55.760 a mammoth leg that was found in ice that was 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.160 from like twelve thousand years ago or something, and they 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:02.240 pull it out and one part is fossilized and just 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:07.360 like a very traditional fossilized bone, and the other part 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.480 still has rotting meat that you could smell that had 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:14.360 like a terrible odors. And that was their example of like, 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:16.760 because what are the odds of that? Right? Yeah, to 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.680 be in the perfect place where fossilization is occurring, but 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.640 also preservation on the other end. Yeah, So that was 1:05:22.720 --> 1:05:25.760 like a glimpse into sort of the randomness and in 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:29.560 the gray area of fossils. Who's got that leg? It 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:32.760 was in some museum, So what do they do when 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:37.120 they have it? Do they like finish? Oh, I'm sure 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:39.080 it's on like dry ice somewhere and it comes out. 1:05:40.120 --> 1:05:41.720 I don't want to eat it. I just want that 1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:45.160 leg to have on display, like here's here's the rotting 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:48.440 meat portion that smells, and here's the fossil you know, 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:52.160 like people come over, You're like showing your record collection this. 1:05:52.760 --> 1:06:00.160 Ye see that that's a fossilized half rotten half. What 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:06.480 that is um. So I brought a great question when 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.840 you eat animals eat caught in traps, which I do. 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:16.400 So you got a beaver that is dead, um, and 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:18.520 it's already because Chris talks about like the importance of 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.600 the rigor process and how long it's been there. So 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:23.320 let's say you set, uh, you make a beaver set 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:27.840 and you check it forty eight hours later. And let's 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:30.040 say the second you walk away, that beaver comes out 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:33.440 of his den hole and you check out forty eight 1:06:33.480 --> 1:06:36.200 hours later. Here you're eating a thing that's been ungutted 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:41.000 forty eight hours? What does that do? And you pull 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:43.440 them out? Sometimes they won't they won't be riggored. Sometimes 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:48.720 they will be riggored. Um, that's interesting question. I've never 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.840 hesitated because I just go by the waters damn cold, 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:56.400 because's the wintertime, right. I always thought that was that 1:06:56.520 --> 1:06:59.120 was the preservation method, that it was fine because you're 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:01.560 doing a summer the summertime, it's stink. I had a 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:06.080 cow elk Ones fall into a beaver pond after I 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:08.520 shot her with an arrow, and then we found her 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:11.680 twenty four hours after I shot her and drug her out. 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:13.800 She's like just right on the edge, maybe even a 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:16.720 hoof or something hanging out of the water and drug 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:18.960 her out and got her and the guts were like 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:25.080 ice cold. Really, Chris Calkuan's put that in his pipe smoking. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:30.240 I was mispronounced his name. Note does he go by 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:35.720 Calkins cal Calkins. I'm trying to remember. I imagine it 1:07:35.760 --> 1:07:39.680 would chill faster because it's circulating water. Oh, the same 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:45.120 way it makes you so damn cold. Ye like it's yeah, 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:48.800 it's like Rob's heat from things. But he's saying that 1:07:49.600 --> 1:07:55.600 the cold actually can speed up. Like what is he? 1:07:55.720 --> 1:07:57.920 What is he saying that that it doesn't do what 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:59.880 you think it would with regards to riggormortis that's the 1:08:00.440 --> 1:08:04.200 can actually adjust the way this works. He says death 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:06.520 is pretty quick and the typically cold water could help 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:11.200 with preservation. Here's where he hones in. Okay, Dr Chris 1:08:11.200 --> 1:08:15.840 Calkins Calkins, damn it one or the other University Nebraska 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.160 c A L K I N s. He's been on 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:21.439 the show a couple of times. Here's where Here's where 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:28.040 his mind goes. Water in the lungs, water being a 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:34.920 carrier of bacteria. Um. If it's stiff, it's in rigor 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:39.519 and there has been sufficient time for bacterial migration to occur. 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:44.600 Cold water, by the way, actually slows stiffening because it 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:50.840 slows the metabola's metabolism. That's better because I don't even 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:56.479 recognize that word, but because it slows the metabolism, not 1:08:56.600 --> 1:09:02.920 the metabolism, It slows the metabolism via temperature. People often 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:05.800 think the cold should accelerate stiffening, but it doesn't work 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:09.599 that way. If the carcass is soft and pliable, then 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.080 the meat is not in rigor mortis and would be 1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:15.720 safer to eat. The risk is not zero, but then 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:21.400 it seldom is. That sounds like a thumbs up from him. Yeah, yeah, 1:09:21.600 --> 1:09:25.000 don't eat the lungs, is what I'm hearing. That's a 1:09:25.000 --> 1:09:30.760 great question though, Man, Yeah, that is that's interesting. Uh. 1:09:30.960 --> 1:09:33.280 Usually when you use we used to call him snares, 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:35.280 but now everybody likes to call him cable straint, a 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:39.880 cable restraint because it sounds nicer. It's like, I'll silencers 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:42.680 are now suppressors because they don't like actually silence thing, 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:45.840 and so they kind of rebranded as a suppressor, which 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:49.160 is actually more accurate. Well, snare has been rebranded as 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:52.960 a cable restraint to make it seem like benign. I 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:54.679 had a beaver one time. It was pretty warm weather 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:56.800 in the spring, and I had a beaver in a 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.320 cable restraint, but he got hung up in a weird way. 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:00.760 Usually there are a lot I like you could you 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:03.639 could relocate them with snares, like it's so it doesn't 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:06.120 damage them. But this guy got into a weird situation 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:09.040 and was dead on the bank and warm weather, and 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:12.559 I thought twice and didn't take any didn't use any 1:10:12.600 --> 1:10:15.120 meat from that beaver was laying out in the hot sun. 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:19.519 Speaking of rebranding, I'm big in the rebranding of the 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.200 Snakehead Fish Camp. I feel like we need to start 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:26.479 working on that because it's so good. Culinarily, Yeah, it's awesome, 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:28.719 but I feel like it's not gonna get any traction 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:31.519 as long as we keep calling its snakehead. I know 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:34.320 those guys and and Uh we were hanging out with 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:38.600 in the what it's the east east shore del mar 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:42.799 Del Peninsula. They got like snakeheads stickers in the truck windows. Manya, 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:46.879 It's delicious, but it's like the you know, the Patagonian toothfish. 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:49.040 Like we had to switch to Chilean sea bass to 1:10:49.040 --> 1:10:51.760 get any traction on that, A lot of good it 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:56.240 did them. They went a little too far on that one. Yeah, 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:58.880 so we gotta land somewhere in the middle. Here. Can 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:00.639 you explain me real quick what you were talking about 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:04.360 when you guys were talking about, Um, I told you 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:06.800 to stopped talking about yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:10.320 you need to set it up because we were talking. Yeah, 1:11:10.320 --> 1:11:13.120 this a little pitch for probably next week's podcast or 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:18.280 it's upcoming. Steve and I are interviewing Dr ed Ashby 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:20.800 and some of his colleagues of the ed Ashby Foundation. 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:25.800 And these guys have been studying, uh, basically arrows and 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:29.759 broadheads and arrow lethality for the last thirty years, probably 1:11:29.760 --> 1:11:32.080 more than anybody else on the planet that I know of. 1:11:32.800 --> 1:11:34.439 And I was just reading a thing that was talking 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:40.000 about like how much the actual like super sharpness of 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:42.920 your broad head, you know, well, will help you kill 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:47.920 an animal faster because the sharper it is when it 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.679 makes the cut across blood vessels, if there is no 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:56.719 rough edge, no serrated edge left behind by a less 1:11:56.720 --> 1:12:00.360 sharp or dollar edge, that makes it easy. Year for 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:03.360 this A lot of science and here, a lot of 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:07.320 science e terms. Basically, there's a chemical reaction that happens 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:11.559 that immediately starts to help coagulation, and the more less 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:14.680 sort of feathery rough edges there are, the easier it 1:12:14.760 --> 1:12:17.320 is for that to happen, to create this compound that 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:20.240 then helps coagulation. Is that why certain cuts like just 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:21.880 bleed like a son of a gun, like when you 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:24.840 cut yourself with a razor blader exactly, or like a 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:28.320 paper cut, you know, like where you're just uh So, 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:31.880 what I was saying is that culinarily there's this this 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.800 is kind of like modern gastronomy, but there's this there's 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:40.519 this chemical it's called transglutanomas, which is colloquially called meat glue, 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.280 And what it does is that it allows you to 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:48.160 bond or bind rather protein to more protein. And so 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:52.000 where it gets used as something like like a lamb belly, 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:55.599 which is really really thin, and so it's really hard 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.880 to cook because it's so thin, and it's texture isn't 1:12:57.880 --> 1:12:59.840 that great because it's so thin. So what you can 1:12:59.880 --> 1:13:02.680 do instead stack a whole bunch of them on top 1:13:02.720 --> 1:13:06.080 of each other and make them make the protein literally 1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:09.840 reform and create a land belly that's three or four 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:11.920 or five or six inches thick. This is why I 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:13.880 told you to stop, because I wanted to have you 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:15.840 mixed this in there, right, so, and then you can 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:17.559 well I want to tell you my thing, then you can, okay, 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:20.719 go for it. Uh. When we would take a bear 1:13:21.160 --> 1:13:26.760 ham and cut the femur out of it so then 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:30.760 you can slice it easy, right? Uh? My body would 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:35.280 take gelatin from the store and sprinkle gelating all over 1:13:35.320 --> 1:13:37.320 the inside of it, and then we put you know, 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:38.800 I got one of those funnels and the you know, 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:41.479 the mesh, so you make like a rolled rolls like 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:45.559 your Graham used to buy it. He'd sprinkle gelatin in 1:13:45.640 --> 1:13:49.439 there before putting it back together, thinking that it would 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:51.920 make it that when you slice the ham, it would 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:54.320 be less likely to just fall apart. Right, roll that 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:56.559 into what you're talking about. Okay, So that's true or not? 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:59.760 I don't notice a huge difference. I'll tell you why. 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:03.600 So okay. So, with the translutantomas to make to effectively 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:05.479 bind something, what you'll find is that if you take 1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:09.040 two smooth sided pieces of meat where they've either been 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:12.000 sliced with something really sharp, like a very sharp knife, 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:14.599 cutting filets of fish or something like that. They won't 1:14:14.600 --> 1:14:17.000 really stick together. It doesn't really matter how much of 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:18.840 this stuff you put on there, they won't really stick together. 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:21.439 And so what you quickly realize is that it's actually 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:25.400 better to have more perforated or sort of coarsely cut 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.080 pieces for them to bind together. So with like a 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:31.000 lamb belly, for example, you'd be better off to take 1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:33.760 the skin off and kind of score it almost and 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:36.479 then take the next one do that and invert it 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.040 so they're not even, and then smush them together like 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:41.320 compress them, and then they will stick to what we're 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:43.679 effectively trying to do a silver skin to silver skin 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:46.240 right exactly. And so it's like the worst case scenario, 1:14:46.360 --> 1:14:49.800 it's not gonna work. Plus there's the issue with the 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:53.760 fact that gelatine doesn't bind at temp like and so 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:56.519 gelatine is activated at a certain temperature, but then at 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:59.719 a certain temperature it also de natures and so that'd 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.760 be and if you want to eat your your bare 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:04.439 ham that you you know, cure cook and then cool 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:08.120 it under compression so still bound together, and then slice 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:10.200 it cold, it probably would stick together. It would look 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:12.680 like a classic like an old school French gene. But 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:16.560 where translutanamase works is that it's not it's not creating 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:19.640 a glue in the middle. It's literally forcing those proteins 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:22.000 to re bind to each other as if they were 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:25.400 growing new muscles. And so you could do that exact 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.560 same thing. You could take that leg. In fact, we 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:30.800 do this with lamb legs all the time. We'll bone 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:33.559 them out, We'll go in, we'll sort of take out 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:36.880 all the silver skin, open all the muscles up intentionally, 1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:39.920 kind of do it in a semi sloppy manner, and 1:15:39.960 --> 1:15:43.920 then sprinkle this translutanomase powder, which just looks like gelatine 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:47.920 um sauces maker dot com. I don't think they sell it, 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:50.400 but we get it from UM. We get it from 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:53.719 a brand called Terra Spice Um that's based in Indiana, 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:57.800 I think UM. And then you roll it back up 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:01.160 same deal, like that, netting everything, and then we put 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:03.000 it in a vacuum bag in vacuum it because what 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:06.120 you need to do is like force it tight and 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:08.840 then you let it sit for a day and it 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:13.000 regrows the muscle fiber and then you know. The wade 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:16.880 from Elevated Wild I was reading something he did about 1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:20.120 making bacon, and he did the same thing, but using 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:24.840 pork fat back with some venison and then gluing them 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:27.800 together to make bacon exactly. Remember I said it to 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.439 you when we were looking at that axis deer when 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:32.000 we were in Hawaii and we were saying like, oh, 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:34.800 this is a really fatty deer and you we pulled 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:36.720 off that belly and you asked me, could we could 1:16:36.760 --> 1:16:38.880 this be turned into bacon? And what I said was, 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:41.320 if you get if we take several of them and 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:43.720 go them together together, we could make a slab of 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:45.720 bacon out of that. Yeah. The deer I got in 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:50.439 Hawaii had just gobs of fat all over it. Beautiful. 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:54.080 Some of it was really on the outer side was 1:16:54.200 --> 1:17:01.000 very waxy, but the insides it's much softer. Um So, 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:03.719 But I think some of some of that on the inside, 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:06.960 like the kidney fat. Yeah yeah, but that belly, I 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:09.320 think some of that fat needs to be trimmed, probably 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:13.200 a lot of it. But um, I'm still going to 1:17:13.320 --> 1:17:15.120 do something with it. I gotta get my hands on 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:17.360 some of this stuff. I'll get you some. I haven't 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:19.719 had my little funnel stuffer. I haven't used my funnel 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:23.080 stuffer in years. Well, you can use it for anything, man, 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:26.600 Like we use it to bind two different proteins that 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:30.439 don't go together, so like fish with ham, for example, 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:32.880 like things like that, so you can cook them together. Yeah, 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:37.240 well give me that. Like what so we would take 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:39.800 like if there's like a super lean type of fish, 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:42.360 like halibet, for example, and we're trying to cook it 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:44.040 in a method that we're worried he's going to dry 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:48.240 it out, We'll use transglutanomates to effectively glue pure cork 1:17:48.280 --> 1:17:49.800 fat to the outside of it so that when we 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:54.639 roasted it based itself as it cooks. Basically, Yeah, dude, 1:17:54.680 --> 1:17:57.280 I'm in man, think of something zippy for that, Phil 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:01.960 I think they already did. It's meekly enough. That sounds 1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:04.880 like the new new fancy version of wrapping it in bacon. 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:08.160 It is the new fancy version of rapping and bacon. 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.880 But bacon's Bacon's just the tip of the iceberg here. 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:13.960 You're honestly, I like it because I like using that 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:17.519 funnel with the mash, and I still got a huge 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:20.439 coil that mash. You know, he works like you take 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:22.839 like smoke a pheasant and cram it through that funnel. 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:26.439 I think it's more. This sounds more like the function 1:18:26.439 --> 1:18:29.800 of the funnel that you're really I'm looking for ways 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:32.519 to use my phone, which sits in my I have 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:35.200 like a closet full of meat processing equipment, what we 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:38.880 call the meat closet. Um. Yeah, the funnels just sitting 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.280 in there. Every time you're looking at it, get depressed 1:18:41.280 --> 1:18:43.479 because I haven't used them lately. But I know about 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:46.400 my funnel. You've seen them. Yeah, Joe, you can bolt 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:48.360 this thing to a table giant funnel. Oh, I know 1:18:48.400 --> 1:18:50.320 what you're talking about. Yeah, like, I mean, yeah, they 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.560 they this is like for industrial purpose. I think I 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:55.320 bought it at Sausage maker dot com. You know, I 1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:59.240 have a turkey breast brianing right now. Maybe I'll bring 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.320 it over and just run it through your funnel to 1:19:01.400 --> 1:19:03.320 bring the funnel over there, knock the dust off. Do 1:19:03.320 --> 1:19:05.080 you want me to see if I can shotgun you 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:07.840 some transplutantams over and get this turkey breast bound up 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:11.639 into like one perfect publics DELI you know style turkey breast. 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:15.760 Now we gotta make it happen. Could be a great 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:18.960 would be a great experiment. Uh you know what, you know, 1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:21.320 I didn't mention that I wanted to mention. Um, we 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:24.360 were talking lately about different things people use suvied wands 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:29.519 for uh. Doctor wrote in he was over in the 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:37.840 cadaver lab. Check this out human cadavers. They got a 1:19:37.840 --> 1:19:45.080 big tank full of cows blood, heated to temp, heated 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:49.479 to body temp with a siouvied that they're circulating through 1:19:49.520 --> 1:19:54.200 the cadavers to keep everything fresh and limber. That does 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:56.760 not surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise you know 1:19:56.960 --> 1:20:00.439 because in the early days, like I'm talking like lat hindies, 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.280 when we first started using circulators, we had to buy 1:20:04.360 --> 1:20:07.360 all of them from labs, like the only company that 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:10.799 made them was poly Science, and they were used for 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:13.200 questionable things. And so the first thing you did when 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.439 you got your circulator in, because they were always used, 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:18.200 is that you basically like circulated a bath of bleach, 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:21.160 like to get out whatever may have been inside it. Yeah, 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.200 like you got the okada ever lab. Yeah, I'm sure 1:20:23.280 --> 1:20:25.640 we've gotten some blood bath circulators in my day. What 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.559 do they need cown's blood for? They running it through 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:32.519 these dead humans to keep everything limbered up. They couldn't 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:35.240 get enough human blood well, probably like a waste of 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:42.320 human blood to to simulate blood flow and keep them fresh. Weird. 1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:45.800 That makes me like, I want to pull my skin off. 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:48.400 That's weird. If you do that, you're gonna wind up 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:51.800 in that lab. You're next up for the circulator bath. 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:57.000 Mm hmm. Cavin, where'd you grow up? Uh? In the 1:20:57.240 --> 1:21:00.280 in North Georgia, like the mountains of North Georgia. How 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:02.040 did you wind up doing all of the top chef stuff? 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:07.519 Did you like? Sign? No? Like by accident? Really? So? Um? 1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:10.000 They just started calling me one day at work and 1:21:10.040 --> 1:21:11.600 I thought it was a buddy of mine playing a 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:14.000 prank on me, and they kept like, by the way, 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:16.040 so all these guys are based in Los Angeles, and 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:18.680 so they would call my restaurant at you know, a 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:20.439 normal time for them, but they'd call it like eight 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:24.120 o'clock on a Friday. We're packed and you know, someone 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:25.400 the host would come up be like, che if you 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.120 got a call, And I'm like, and I don't think 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:29.880 I'm allowed to repeat the things that I would say 1:21:30.040 --> 1:21:33.160 to them, Um, but I'd go, you know, pick up 1:21:33.160 --> 1:21:35.800 the phone, yell a few obscenities, and hang it up. 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:38.240 That probably made him even more interested. They called back 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:40.040 like three days in a row, and finally on the 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:42.200 third day, I was like, I thought it was a 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:43.600 friend of mine playing a prank, but I was like, 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:46.559 your prank is stupid and you're and they were like, no, 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.280 this is legitimately Top Chef and I'm like, oh, yeah, 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.439 you're you're that TV show like and I had never 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:53.679 seen it before. I mean, this was I was working 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:55.479 all the time, like I didn't have time to watch 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:58.920 a you know, show on TV UM, and they asked 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:01.200 me to come to this show, which I had never seen, 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:05.839 and at first I was a dred percent against it. Um. 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:09.080 But this is two thousand eight, and so all of 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:12.840 a sudden, our restaurants tanked, you know, nobody had any money, 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:15.599 nobody went out, and so we were winning all these 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:19.920 awards left and right, and yet we couldn't pay the 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:22.760 bills because no one was coming to dinner. And so 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:25.840 I was dwelling on this Top Chef thing and I 1:22:25.880 --> 1:22:29.439 had decided not to go. And then one night we 1:22:29.479 --> 1:22:32.960 did zero people for dinner, and my business partner at 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:34.439 the time was like, I think we have a month 1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:37.080 like that because of the housing market collapse. Yeah, because 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:39.120 we're you're in fine dining like, that's what I was doing. 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:41.400 So you're talking about, you know, meals that cost people 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:44.800 hundreds of dollars apiece to eat, and so that dried 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.880 up quick, and so he was like, look, I think 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.160 we got a month of business left. You know, that's 1:22:49.200 --> 1:22:52.800 probably all we can do. Uh, And so I called 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:54.479 the top chef people back and said, as you know, 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:56.400 as the offer still stand, and they're like, we filmed 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:57.840 next week, and I was like, send me the ticket, 1:22:57.880 --> 1:22:59.960 I'll go. So it was like at last ditch effort 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:03.040 to save my restaurant. So that's how it happened, and 1:23:03.080 --> 1:23:06.240 it worked like literally the minute they announced that my 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:09.360 participation in it, we went from nothing in the middle 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:12.000 of the housing crisis to being booked out a year 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:16.519 in advance, seriously, so we were doing three or four 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.960 hundred people at night and it stayed that way for 1:23:19.479 --> 1:23:22.200 I mean five years, and then I sold that restaurant 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.800 and went on to do others. But yeah, it was 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:27.599 crazy that impactful. It was insane before it even started, 1:23:27.760 --> 1:23:30.920 before anybody had even seen an episode, just the word 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:33.560 that I had been that I was participating, boom, that 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:37.880 was a light switch. Do you find uh, most people 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:39.840 do that are they good. What do you mean the 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:41.720 people who compete on most people to get cast? Are 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:43.639 they like when you go in there, are you're like, wow, 1:23:43.680 --> 1:23:46.200 man's hold on real quick? Is it a competition? Just 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:49.280 so I know more about so it works, is that 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:52.599 there's usually well, the amount of people per season has 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:55.040 changed a little bit from the beginning. So I think 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:57.960 this will make that show. Yeah, it's on season twenty 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:00.240 right now. So I did it the first time with 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:03.439 season six, and so I believe that if I remember correctly, 1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:07.200 we had eighteen people when we started. And each week 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:09.840 in TV time, somebody gets sent home. In real life, 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:13.360 that happens every few days. Um, and you whittle it 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:19.120 down until last man standing kind of thing. And so, UM, 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:22.960 what I will tell you, having done it multiple times 1:24:22.960 --> 1:24:25.120 now and sort of worked on the back end of it, 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:28.479 is that when they cast the show, they are actually 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:31.519 not just trying to cast for apparently it makes for 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:36.040 boring TV if everybody legitimately can win. Um, it's more 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:38.360 fun if you get three or four people who could 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:39.960 probably win and the rest of the people are just 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:43.360 absolute lunatics and it's just like you know, and so 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.360 then it's just like you're having to deal with these 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:49.280 people who might be psychologically unstable. So that's kind of 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:52.000 the way they make the show in truth. So yeah, 1:24:52.080 --> 1:24:55.000 and honestly, like in the first day as a participant, 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:59.200 you can you can tell pretty quickly like who who's legitimate, 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:01.280 like who's going to be your oppetition, and it usually 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:02.800 works out that way. You find the same three or 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:07.360 four people win every single day throughout the whole time. 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:09.360 That's just kind of and you just sort of trading blues. 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:12.759 It's like Division one college football where you're like everybody 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:15.200 feels a team, but there's like this handful of teams 1:25:15.200 --> 1:25:17.200 who could actually win. It kind of works that way. 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.200 How how much was it, I don't know how much 1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:22.479 you can actually talk about it. You probably contract like 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:24.880 like a phone book. I don't know, my wife's an attorney. 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:26.120 You want to need extra and find out what I 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:33.559 can say, Well, no, legitimate meritocracy. No, So I had 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:37.400 a lot through personality now and I've been honestly, I'm 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:39.280 probably not supposed to say it, but I've been so 1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:41.120 vocal for so many years about it that I don't 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:44.960 really give a ship. But yeah, it's an absolute point 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:47.519 of fact. I mean, all you have to do is 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:50.080 read the end credits where it says in very small 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:52.519 print at the very end that the decision is made 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:57.120 by the judges in consult with the producers. So that 1:25:57.160 --> 1:25:58.840 tells you all you need to know, right, what does that? 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:01.320 Why do they have to tell you that? Because otherwise 1:26:01.320 --> 1:26:04.720 you'd go because people constantly go, why why that guy 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:07.559 get sent home? Like I don't understand why do he lose? Yeah, 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:09.640 because you get like a really good personnelity. You're not 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:12.120 gonna send him home right away, No, but you will 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:14.920 now because now the version of Top Chef is that 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:16.960 people get kicked off and then have a chance to 1:26:17.080 --> 1:26:19.600 fight back to get back on the show. And so 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:22.400 that makes for another wrinkle. So sometimes you kick off 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:24.439 one of your best people on purpose so that you 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:27.960 can watch them like demolish the other people in this 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:30.519 sort of secondary competition and earn their way back on. 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:34.120 It's very TV driven. I mean the problem is that 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:35.920 what I like to tell people because they always say like, 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:39.679 it's but it's reality TV. It is a scripted show 1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:43.559 where the contestants have not been shown the script. Basically, 1:26:43.600 --> 1:26:46.200 the way that it works, everybody else knows what's going on. 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:48.680 You just have no idea what remember one a few 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:53.479 years ago. The people that write scripted reality, we're kind 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:58.400 of suing for credit, right for sure. And that's why, like, 1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:01.480 you know, both seasons I've been don't have won an Emmy. 1:27:01.560 --> 1:27:04.120 But I don't get an Emmy because I don't count 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:07.160 in that, you know, despite the fact that they don't 1:27:07.200 --> 1:27:09.840 win an Emy without the people who are actually like participating. 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:14.920 After my first book, UM Scavengers Guide to Cuisine came out, 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:18.360 I entered into like the interview process to go on 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:24.559 what was then a new show, which was Survivor UM. 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:29.280 They quickly in the interviews. I didn't do it because 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:31.000 it would have made it that like I basically couldn't 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:34.800 have gone and done a book event without their permission. Um, 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:36.919 I could have done a radio interview without their permission. 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:40.760 The interview comes down to like how much are you 1:27:40.800 --> 1:27:45.840 willing to play ball here? Exactly? And they put it 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:48.519 even like this. They put it like a let's say 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:55.920 you liked someone, would you be willing to not like them? 1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:59.040 You know? And they never went on those scenarios pretty heavily. 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.760 It's the same like I mean, and I and I'm 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:07.000 notoriously not good at playing ball, and so it's like 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:08.840 not a surprise that I've not won the show. I've 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:11.760 I've been I've been back for the All Star. I mean, 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:14.360 I've been a finalist every time. I've almost won every time. 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:16.680 But I'm not ever going to win. And I know 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.800 that going into it because I'm just completely unwilling to 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:21.879 play ball. But I also like a person who believes 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:24.519 in like standing by your principles, like on this last season, 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.760 like I got myself kicked off because I refused to 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:30.840 allow my teammates when I was the captain of the team, 1:28:31.240 --> 1:28:32.880 allow one of them to go down, because that's not 1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:34.840 the way it works. Like if you're the captain, like 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:36.439 you go down with the ship, Like that's how it 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:39.200 should work, Like because as I pointed out to them, 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:41.800 like I have real people in real life who report 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:43.519 to me, and they need to know that their leader 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:46.599 is someone who is going to take like the fall 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:49.040 if something bad happens, Like you don't throw the people 1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:51.320 who are your subordinates under the ball. You're still one 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:54.080 of the fan favorites though, yeah, yeah, And so it's 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:55.519 like it at the end of the day, it doesn't 1:28:55.520 --> 1:28:59.360 really matter that I haven't one quote unquote, because winning 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:01.720 is really more are a function of the people who 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:04.800 watch the show being invested in the success of your career. 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:07.839 It doesn't really matter whether Bravo gives you the whatever 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:10.000 title thing, at least in my mind it doesn't. So 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:13.040 I may have told myself that I didn't win. You 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:16.200 get a bigger paycheck if you win, you do accept 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:20.639 it short term money versus long term money, Like I've 1:29:20.640 --> 1:29:23.960 done just fine off of it without having without having 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.759 won the actual like and plus, if you win the prize, 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:28.760 it's actually kind of like what you're talking about, Steve. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:32.400 So if you win win, you have a really like 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:36.400 unbearable contract with them for a very long time where yeah, 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:37.840 if you write a book, they get a big chunk 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:40.280 of it. If you you know, you do another show, 1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:42.960 they get a piece of that action. Like if you 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:46.080 are a finalist and you win second place, they got 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:48.240 nothing over you. And by the way, you get the 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:51.040 same book deals in the same TV show opportunities, so 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:53.320 you'd be better off. I mean, it's kind of the 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:55.800 joke amongst contestants is that the real strategy is to 1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:58.559 try to is to be in every episode, make it 1:29:58.600 --> 1:30:00.280 to the end, and not win because you end up 1:30:00.280 --> 1:30:03.080 with a better long term situation. It's like how everybody 1:30:03.080 --> 1:30:05.040 who's been the runner up on American Idol has like 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:15.080 thrived necessarily never mind, no, please, It's like that show Bachelor, Bachelor. 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:16.639 You don't I actually want to win because you want 1:30:16.640 --> 1:30:18.880 to be the bachelor on the next one, right, Yeah, 1:30:19.000 --> 1:30:21.720 you want to be the one dating everybody. Yeah, I 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:23.880 didn't know that. I didn't know that the degree to 1:30:23.960 --> 1:30:27.280 which second place could pay off. Yeah, exactly. First loser 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.080 is chef. If you come in second place, you have 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:34.240 more freedom's so like beyond and you still get famous. 1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:37.479 Yeah yeah, I mean honestly, you can come and like 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:39.760 fit their sixth If people like you when you win 1:30:39.920 --> 1:30:42.720 fan Favorite, which is a secondary sort of voting, like 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:45.639 the public votes on a competition, that's better than winning 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.880 the show because six months after the show is over, 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:51.160 no one remembers who one. They just remember who they liked. 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:55.320 Yeah that's true. So yeah, that's how you end up 1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:58.280 taking ten photos in the montana al works like on 1:30:58.320 --> 1:31:03.839 a Sunday night with random people only, of which maybe 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:08.040 to look Steve. My strategy has always been to to 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:11.759 lose by a narrow margin. Kevin glass be either wins 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:14.439 or equits because the competition is unfair. That is it, 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:18.120 Uh that you grew up hunting fishing? Yeah, because you 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:20.880 guys used to eat raw hearts. Yeah. Like, so the 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:23.200 joke for years was that my dad and his brothers 1:31:23.439 --> 1:31:25.679 only had jobs because they had to that like really, 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:28.880 all they ever really wanted to do was hunting fish. Um. 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:30.400 And so when I was a kid, we ate a 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:32.439 lot of game. And I didn't realize this at the time, 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.040 but we ate it because we didn't have any money, 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:35.800 and so it was like that was just like putting 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:39.479 food on the table. So it wasn't something that was um, 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:42.640 we didn't celebrate it in many respects, it was just 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:46.160 you did it. Like I mean, I attribute the fact 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:48.040 that I'm a super early riser to the fact that 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:51.439 every single day from like middle school through high school, 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:54.840 my dad woke me up to go hunting before going 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:56.599 to school. So, like we would go in the morning 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:58.559 and then he would drop me off his school. Where 1:31:58.640 --> 1:32:02.679 was this in Georgia? Um? And what kind of stuff 1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:04.759 did you guys hunting fish for? I mean, so tons 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:09.200 of white tail obviously. Uh, my dad loves bluegill, loves them. 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:12.240 He thinks they are literally could quote my dad the 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:15.880 finest fish there is. We've had this debate many times. 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:17.439 Everyone like they're good, Dad. I don't know if they're 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:20.839 the finest fish there is. But um, you know, catfish, bluegill, 1:32:21.120 --> 1:32:24.120 white tail, some turkey, a lot of upland birds there 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:25.960 there were a lot more back then. There were just 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:28.360 a lot more quail. Um you could actually just you 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:31.640 could walk aheadgerow and and you know, flush coves and 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:36.080 shoot him. So nowadays that's really not super doable. Um. 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:39.280 And then one of his brothers has always been, even 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:42.320 though he's from the same place obviously, has been really 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:44.519 enamored with western hunting his whole life. And so I 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:47.439 started hunting with him early on and going out west 1:32:47.479 --> 1:32:49.400 and hunting, and so we would travel every year to 1:32:49.400 --> 1:32:51.960 a different state and hunt a different species. So with 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:54.120 your dad's brought with my dad, with my uncle Billy 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:56.360 and so, and he's still got kind of to this 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.040 day my hunting partner. Um. As a matter of fact, 1:32:59.040 --> 1:33:02.439 we were supposed to hunt all sheep together um in 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:04.400 a little less than a month in Alaska, but now 1:33:04.439 --> 1:33:06.679 I can't get so unfortunately he's going by himself, which 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:09.479 is I'm not super keen on the fact he's getting 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:11.240 up there in age that's going to be this might 1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:13.920 be his last to rob Uncle Billy down. Yeah, I 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.519 am totally Yeah, I have this stupid hernia that I 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:20.360 can't I can't go, do you know. I don't know 1:33:20.360 --> 1:33:22.439 if you heard. We did an interview with Kimmy Werner. 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:25.840 She's a pretty well known spear spearfish from Hawaii, and 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:30.120 we're talking about her early formative years and she explained that, uh, 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:34.840 her dad's spearfish because they were broke, and she went 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.360 with because he didn't have anywhere to put her. Yeah. Yeah, 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:40.719 I mean like romanticize if she's like no the minute 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:43.640 he wand up doing well financially, never spearfish together. Well. 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:45.880 So I was talking to somebody a couple of days 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:49.400 ago about pistol hunting and they have just gotten into it, 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:51.120 and I said, oh, yeah, I grew up doing that 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:52.920 a lot. And they were like, really pistol hunting and 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:54.360 I was like, yeah, my dad hunted with a pistol, 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:57.479 like almost exclusively for white tail, and they were like, wow, 1:33:57.520 --> 1:33:59.200 that's so cool. And I was like it was a 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:02.040 function of the cast of ammunition, like uh, my dad 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:04.759 hunted with a pistol because he had more expendable pistol 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:08.200 ammunition than he could afford. Never hunted. I don't think 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:10.160 my dad has ever owned a rifle that wasn't a 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:11.800 thirty thirty, to be honest with you. And it was 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:15.600 an inherited gun that I now have, so uh, you know, 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:18.799 it was like that cost function like factored in really heavily. 1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:21.720 It wasn't a romantic thing. And my dad actually, at 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:23.559 this point now because my parents were retired and are 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:25.960 better off financially, he almost never hunts. He'll go bird 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:28.679 hunting with me on occasion, but you know, as he says, 1:34:28.720 --> 1:34:30.639 he's like, I'm tired of like I spent too many 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:32.479 days cold, Like I'm good now we have heat in 1:34:32.479 --> 1:34:34.320 the house. Now I'm fine, Like I'll just stay here. 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:37.200 So it's a very different approach, Whereas I'm still very 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:38.920 much in love with it because I think I always 1:34:38.960 --> 1:34:42.360 connected to it on a different level. But that was 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:45.280 probably because I didn't know we were out there trying 1:34:45.280 --> 1:34:48.800 to just have food. Like how did you wind up 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:52.759 going from those experiences into commercial cooking in a really 1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:56.640 weird path? Like? Um, though, my first job ever was 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:58.760 at the only restaurant in my small town, which was 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:01.200 called the Chicken Coop. So we made fried chicken and 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:05.040 buffalo wings, um, which are still two of my favorite foods. Um. 1:35:05.200 --> 1:35:09.080 What town was Locust Grove, Georgia. There's not a single 1:35:09.120 --> 1:35:11.040 locust tree available, by the way, in case you're cure 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:15.320 this is yet. This is a very theoretical idea, Like 1:35:15.360 --> 1:35:17.200 I think they liked that name, but I've yet to 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:20.880 see a locus tree in that part of the country. UM. 1:35:21.040 --> 1:35:24.120 So yeah, we had this tiny little restaurant and UM. 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:26.080 I applied for a job there and I got a 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:27.880 job as a cook, and then about I don't know, 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:29.760 three weeks later, I was made the manager, which is 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.360 a terrible idea. Don't alot of fifteen year will be 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:35.960 the manager of anything like I would just Yeah, this 1:35:36.080 --> 1:35:38.320 was in So I just came up with a system 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:40.880 where I would play punk rock as loud as possible 1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:43.000 and then leave a sheet of paper on the counter 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:45.639 that said I'm not listening, write your order down. Um. 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:47.400 And so that's how I ran it for a while. 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:50.960 I got fired, shockingly, um from that job. I've actually 1:35:50.960 --> 1:35:54.000 been fired for almost every job I've ever had. Um. 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:57.800 I think we discussed this with the not playing ball part. Yeah, 1:35:57.960 --> 1:36:00.760 but uh, I did that, loved it. And then I 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:03.320 actually went to college like the kitchen app Yeah, I 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:05.760 just liked it. It It was like pirate ship mentality, you know. 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:08.800 So um and then I went to college for something 1:36:08.920 --> 1:36:11.920 very different. Um, and it just wasn't my cup of tea. 1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:13.800 You know. It was like a more academic path. That's 1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:16.120 what my parents wanted for me. Again. They really wanted 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:19.040 me to sort of break this cycle of poverty that 1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.680 my family has been in forever because they're all just 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.479 mountain folk, you know, so that's just what they do. 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:26.559 None of them have ever, I don't. I mean, my 1:36:26.560 --> 1:36:29.880 parents didn't graduate high school. So um. So when I 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:32.160 was accepted to make us proud, yeah, I mean I 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.760 was accepted to m I T for nuclear engineering and 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:37.040 that was the path that I took, and so it 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.920 was like, yeah, still the only person from I think 1:36:39.960 --> 1:36:42.400 my county that I grew up in that has been 1:36:42.439 --> 1:36:45.679 accepted that school. So um huh. But it just wasn't 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:48.800 my thing. Did you have like a I don't know, 1:36:49.520 --> 1:36:53.360 like uh proclivity for nuclear engineering or well. So the 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:55.000 way it came up was that I did a science 1:36:55.000 --> 1:36:57.080 fair project when I was in ninth grade where I 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:01.400 was attempting to prove that you could contain nuclear fusion 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:04.000 inside a magnetic field if you could alter the Doppler effect. 1:37:04.960 --> 1:37:08.040 So that's that's how that happened, knows Your science project 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:10.240 was my science for a project, my ninth grade science 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:14.880 for a project. So I cooked in school. That's all 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:17.280 I really wanted to do. I decided that that wasn't 1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:18.639 the right path. To all my parents, I was gonna 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.800 get a culinary school, um, and I thought for sure 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:23.439 I was like going to break their heart. But my 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:25.200 mom was Actually, my mom was really cool. She said 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:27.200 that she was glad that I've realized what I was 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.720 meant to do in my life. Um, before I had 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:32.200 wasted a great deal of it doing something else. And 1:37:32.200 --> 1:37:34.040 that's what. And then I just moved into the food world. 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:36.439 And then that was it, like and it was like, honestly, 1:37:36.479 --> 1:37:38.759 the food I grew up with, like the super southern cooking, 1:37:38.760 --> 1:37:41.160 didn't really factor into my stuff in the early days. 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:44.599 It was much more than like really meticulous, methodical fine 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:47.960 dining that I learned working. It wasn't actually until the 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:49.880 first season of Top Cheft that kind of came back 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.160 because when you show up for Top Chef, you can't 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:55.479 bring any recipes. Um. You have no access to books 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:57.320 or magazines or the Internet or anything, so you have 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:00.880 to remember everything and so you're you're just thrown to 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:04.920 the wolves kind of except the killer wolves um and 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:08.640 uh not yeah yeah, not the soft wolves like the 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.760 bad ones um. And so you just have to cook 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:14.280 from instinct. And all of a sudden, all this food 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.400 that I started cooking on the show looked nothing like 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:19.120 what I did professionally, and it was all this sort 1:38:19.160 --> 1:38:23.200 of modernized version of southern like home style. So yeah, 1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:25.920 for sure, like everyone thought that was my signature style 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:28.000 of cooking, but I didn't know it was my signature 1:38:28.040 --> 1:38:30.280 style until I was there. Just what came to mind, 1:38:30.360 --> 1:38:31.840 just what I thought of when they went you have 1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:33.880 two minutes to come up with something, and it was like, OK, 1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:36.439 I'll make this, And then that's what happened. And so 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:40.200 I came home from that and kind of completely remade 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:42.400 my career. And that's why now people think of me 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:45.000 as that, like, you know, that southern guy, when really 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:48.000 none of my literally none of my professional training is 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:50.280 in that at all. That's just the food I had 1:38:50.280 --> 1:39:04.200 as a kid. Are there culinary schools that teach Southern cooking, Well, 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.240 there's nowadays. Like Southern food kind of hit a renaissance 1:39:07.240 --> 1:39:09.600 in like the mid two thousands where it was like 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:12.240 people really got excited about it and you started seeing 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:15.559 you know, fancy Southern places popping up in Manhattan and 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:18.320 then Los Angeles and stuff, and so there were chefs 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:21.360 who really sort of clung to that modern Southern as 1:39:21.400 --> 1:39:23.800 their style as they're kind of like you would say, 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:26.200 I I do Italian food. People say I do modern Southern, 1:39:26.240 --> 1:39:29.440 Like I've never said that. I don't. I just American, 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:31.240 Like I don't know, Like it's because I don't really 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:33.840 that's not how I think of the way that I cook, 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:36.640 Like I think everything is. I get to like, I 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:39.160 like using the word American cuisine because in my mind, 1:39:39.160 --> 1:39:42.320 American cuisine, because of how diverse our country is, means 1:39:42.360 --> 1:39:45.320 that you're inspired by a lot of different food. You know, 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:47.879 you don't have to pigeon hole yourself into a singular 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.680 sort of you know, a particular vernacular, whereas if you 1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:53.799 said I make Roman food, like it's got some pretty 1:39:53.800 --> 1:39:56.879 strong walls around that statement. That means something very particular. 1:39:57.840 --> 1:40:00.960 So I like the more nebulous idea of American cookery. 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:03.920 But yeah, I guess I think I get labeled modern Southern, 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:06.599 and I don't mind that. I mean, I consider what 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:09.679 we do pretty modern, and my restaurants are in the South, 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:12.800 So I suppose that makes sense. What what Like, I 1:40:13.200 --> 1:40:14.519 know it, but I don't know it like I know 1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:17.000 in my I can imagine if I can't articulate it. 1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:20.479 What makes Southern food southern? Oh man, this is a 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:24.639 whole separate podcast here. Um, did you know you know? Uh, 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:26.960 we haven't talked with us in forever. But there's a 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:33.360 really great This guy wrote this piece about what makes 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:37.040 Southern literature Southern literature, Like when Southern literature became a 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:39.280 thing and people would study Southern literature, and how hard 1:40:39.280 --> 1:40:41.880 it was to define like who's a Southern writer or not. 1:40:42.840 --> 1:40:44.599 He came up with this thing that if you read 1:40:44.680 --> 1:40:48.679 it and you can find a dead mule, it's southern. 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.839 Ye seems fair. And he goes through the whole canon 1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:54.520 of Southern literature of things that like all the scholars 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:56.720 and academics would like, when you take Southern literature, you 1:40:56.720 --> 1:40:59.040 study Southern literature, he goes through the whole canyon. There's 1:40:59.120 --> 1:41:01.559 always a dead mule. Every Faulkner book has a dead mule. 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:05.840 There's always a dead mule, Court McCarthy because you know, 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:08.040 he was writing from the South, while like always a 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:10.920 dead mule, Faultner, always a dead mule, must be where 1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:13.800 I like those guys. Yeah, it's amazing, man, you go through. 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:16.120 It's like a very good way to tell. But in 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:19.120 Southern cooking, well it's a dead mule, no, And it's 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:23.200 and honestly like dead pig. Yeah exactly, there you go. Um. Yeah, 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:26.880 Southern cooking is interesting because it's a super microregional like 1:41:27.000 --> 1:41:29.400 style of cooking. So like it's really hard to lump 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.439 everything in the South is being the same because you know, 1:41:32.479 --> 1:41:34.679 the food in Texas is completely different than the food 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:39.080 where I'm from. The food in Louisiana's different teas right exactly, 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:41.200 And most Texans don't, but people who don't live and 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:44.360 who don't live in that part of the country absolutely 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:47.200 lump Texas in because they think of they think of 1:41:47.240 --> 1:41:49.360 like everything that was in the Confederacy and that's the South, 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:51.960 you know, So that's kind of the way people define it. 1:41:51.960 --> 1:41:54.800 But in reality, even in my home state, there's two 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:58.599 distinctive styles of food. There's the Appalachian cookery and there's 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:01.320 the low country cookery, and they couldn't be anymore different 1:42:01.320 --> 1:42:04.840 from each other. And so you know, um, so, so 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:06.360 you guys are at the tail So you grew up 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:08.519 near like the tail end of the Appalachian Trail kind 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:10.680 of yeah, yeah, exactly, Like the tail end of the 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:14.000 Appalachian Trail is like, god, I don't know, maybe ten 1:42:14.080 --> 1:42:16.680 miles from where my grandparents house was or something like. 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:20.679 So yeah, and that cooking is different than coastal for sure. Yeah, 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:23.599 because like where I'm from, like that Appalachian style cookery. 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:25.920 Clay Nucom and I were talking about this the other day, 1:42:26.040 --> 1:42:27.880 like over slack. We were just chatting back and forth 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:32.439 about it and like understanding it's like the only thing 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:34.920 that made your day better for those people was the 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:36.880 food they were eating. And so I think that the 1:42:36.960 --> 1:42:39.360 style of the food was always meant to be incredibly 1:42:39.360 --> 1:42:41.680 satisfying because it was kind of like that was the 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:43.639 high point of the day. But you had to spend 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:47.559 a lot of work transforming really pedestrian ingredients into things 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:50.600 that were really crave able. And delicious, and so I 1:42:50.640 --> 1:42:53.240 think that's why the style is the way that it is. 1:42:53.280 --> 1:42:55.680 You know, you see the utilization of meat products in 1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:57.639 almost everything, but not a lot of meat. You don't 1:42:57.680 --> 1:42:59.519 actually eat a lot of meat in the South. That's 1:42:59.520 --> 1:43:04.080 another sort of missing and that's interesting man, like um, 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:07.560 flavoring things with or like having like pork belly and 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:13.040 with yeah, exactly, like taking collars yet taking collars and 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:16.400 having like a little meatingness to the exactly exactly, because 1:43:16.400 --> 1:43:19.400 you were working with largely what you could. It's subsistence, 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:21.719 you know, So it's what could you grow or trade 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:23.760 your neighbor for For the most part, I don't think 1:43:23.760 --> 1:43:26.200 pork and beans in the Southern. But it's yeah, well 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:31.040 you're integrating it in in a satisfying way without needing volume. Yeah, 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:33.000 exactly exactly. And so it's like, you know, when I 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:35.920 grew up as a kid, like my grandmother, my granny, 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:38.600 she cooked for the family, like the whole family like um, 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:41.599 So my dad and all of his brothers all live 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:43.559 on like sort of the same piece of land that 1:43:43.640 --> 1:43:47.559 surrounds my grandparents house, and so we ate breakfast, lunch, 1:43:47.600 --> 1:43:50.240 and dinner at my granny's house. Seven days a week, 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:52.920 and it's like thirty thirty five of us give or 1:43:52.960 --> 1:43:55.040 take the eight there every single day. And she did 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:57.920 all of the cooking, and so all the food either 1:43:58.000 --> 1:44:00.360 came from this big garden, which we I mean, we 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:02.280 called it a garden, but it was a hundred yard 1:44:02.520 --> 1:44:06.400 by fifty yard field, so it's really big. Um. Everybody 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:09.720 contributed to helping plant and harvest it and pick and 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:11.840 do all that kind of stuff. Um. And then she 1:44:11.960 --> 1:44:13.720 did all the cooking. And then like the meat that 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:15.439 we got, for the most part, we would either it 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:17.880 was either game and you know in fish that my 1:44:17.960 --> 1:44:20.559 dad and his brothers got, or with a neighbor who 1:44:20.560 --> 1:44:23.080 had pigs and then somebody had cattle. I don't know 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:24.760 who it was, but we would I think we just 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:26.599 trade and that's how we ended up with it. And 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:30.799 so um. And so we had a lot more vegetables 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:33.400 than meat, but meat was in every Like you there's 1:44:33.439 --> 1:44:35.920 some sort of meat product in almost everything, and it's 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.360 usually they're just for flavor. Really, it's also there, as 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:42.800 my granny pointed out, for calories, like because they would 1:44:42.920 --> 1:44:44.519 they were short on food a lot of the time, 1:44:44.560 --> 1:44:46.800 and so a really way to get the calorie count 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:49.160 up really fast. You know, if all you have is 1:44:49.520 --> 1:44:52.120 you know, turnips or root bakers or something like that 1:44:52.240 --> 1:44:54.679 was to throw fat back into it when you cooked 1:44:54.760 --> 1:44:56.400 him so that the calorie count got up, you know, 1:44:56.479 --> 1:44:59.040 so that people didn't starve to death, because that was 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:01.200 a real shoe in the mountains for a long time. 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:05.840 With your restaurants, now do you do uh? I know 1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:07.040 you just said you're like, you don't think of it 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:10.679 as Southern food, but would someone You know, if someone 1:45:10.720 --> 1:45:15.400 went down to see sort of your signature dishes from 1:45:15.439 --> 1:45:18.920 the North, where they be like, oh, it's Southern food. Well, 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:20.519 I think it depends on which restaurant they went to, 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:22.519 so I have I have five of them in Atlanta. 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:24.280 If they went to gun Show, I don't know that 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:27.840 they would recognize it as Southern because it's so it's 1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:29.400 it's a it's just a lot, like there's a lot 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:31.880 going on there. But if you went to Revival, it 1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:36.080 is southern. It is like literally the the handwritten cookbooks 1:45:36.080 --> 1:45:39.120 of my two grandmothers translated into a restaurant format. So 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.559 absolutely you would recognize that as Southern, and you would 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.240 have dishes that maybe you hadn't had before you didn't 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:46.360 think of like one that we're famous for in the spring, 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:49.960 um dill grows wild all over that area, and so 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:52.640 you know, the first early spring peace with tons of 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:54.920 dial and I'm like tons and tons and people eat 1:45:54.920 --> 1:45:56.200 that and they go like, oh, that doesn't that's not 1:45:56.200 --> 1:45:58.640 Southern food. And you're like, it's very southern. It's just 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:01.080 not what you're thinking of. You think of fried chicken 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:03.880 and macaroni and cheese. Macaroni and cheese isn't Southern. It's 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:06.600 probably Midwestern. I think they would argue. Um, you know, 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:10.040 food historians wise, fried chicken you could argue is Southern 1:46:10.080 --> 1:46:13.280 because it is originates in Scotland and came over with 1:46:13.320 --> 1:46:16.960 Scottish immigrants, much of whom we're clearly that's when you 1:46:16.960 --> 1:46:18.840 look at me, that's you know, that's the stock we're 1:46:18.880 --> 1:46:23.800 from here. Um. But Southern cooking in many respects looks 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:27.560 more like Italian food because it's really driven by seasonality, 1:46:27.640 --> 1:46:33.440 hyper seasonality, hyper locality. And then um, you know, recipes 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:36.479 being ultra flexible because you would never even if this 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:39.439 thing says that it has tomatoes in it, you're not 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:41.760 putting tomatoes in it if you don't have tomatoes in 1:46:41.760 --> 1:46:43.320 your garden, like you would just move on and do 1:46:43.360 --> 1:46:45.599 something different, or you'd modify it, and that that feels 1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:47.960 to me, having cooked all over the world, that feels 1:46:47.960 --> 1:46:49.840 a lot more like when you're cooking in Italy where 1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:51.800 they go, yeah, I know this says Borlotti beans, but 1:46:51.800 --> 1:46:53.400 we don't have Borlotti beans right now, so we're not 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:55.040 going to go buy crappy ones to make it. We're 1:46:55.040 --> 1:46:58.160 gonna do it with this thing instead. Yeah, do you 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:04.240 apply your science project mind to your cooking? Totally? And 1:47:04.320 --> 1:47:06.960 but in an almost unknown way. It happens all the 1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:09.400 time at work that someone will do something and they'll 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:11.080 be like, I don't know why we got this result. 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:13.679 And then I show up with like my invisible glasses 1:47:13.680 --> 1:47:16.600 and I like, here, here's whatitch going on like and 1:47:16.600 --> 1:47:18.519 then I give them like the science diet tribe on 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:23.320 it um, without realizing that that the thing is I 1:47:23.360 --> 1:47:28.360 don't really like science e food. Um. It's a weird dichotomy. 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:30.960 I like to completely understand what's taking place from a 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:33.760 scientific level, but I think that if you cook that way, 1:47:33.840 --> 1:47:37.599 you make really lousy food. What's the word for like 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:41.000 the you know, what is the discipline of the all 1:47:41.040 --> 1:47:47.200 the foam's modern gastronomy or molecular molecular destronomy into that. No. 1:47:47.400 --> 1:47:49.599 I mean though I just told you about transplutanomates, which 1:47:49.640 --> 1:47:51.880 comes directly from that world. You know, I think that 1:47:52.040 --> 1:47:53.519 some of those things, in my mind, they're all just 1:47:53.560 --> 1:47:55.840 another tool in the toolbox, you know What's like it's 1:47:55.960 --> 1:47:58.600 nice to have, you know, vacuum steelers these days, and 1:47:58.640 --> 1:48:02.639 emerging circulators. They're used for certain things. But my opinion 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:05.720 is that if you conceptualize your food around the utilization 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:10.080 of those things, you make some really cold and sterile things. 1:48:10.240 --> 1:48:13.000 If you, on the other hand, that's an interesting point 1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:15.519 like that, if you cook from a very soulful place 1:48:15.800 --> 1:48:18.559 where you feel a personal connection to everything that you make, 1:48:19.000 --> 1:48:21.920 but then can apply technique so that it's a better 1:48:22.040 --> 1:48:25.120 version of that that that usually produces pretty good results. 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:30.240 Mm hmm. Yeah, man, that's a good point. I mean, 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:32.479 you can deply that across the board to so many 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:34.840 disciplines in this world. I mean, it's like it's the 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:37.000 it's the people who nerd out on the hunting forums 1:48:37.000 --> 1:48:39.080 about all the technicalities of this, that and the other 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:42.160 than the science behind things. But they've never bothered to 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:44.680 like sit quietly in the woods and like try to 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.760 sort of figure out what's going on around them, you know, 1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:49.800 I said, they're still lousy at hunting. Yeah, it's like 1:48:49.840 --> 1:48:52.880 reading the poems that you commings man, right, He's like 1:48:52.880 --> 1:48:55.599 he's not gonna use any upper cases or any punctuation ever, 1:48:57.280 --> 1:49:01.600 even if it would be used. He was like a 1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:06.320 modern souvid guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. So 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:09.560 what you're gonna you're working with us now a little bit? Yeah, 1:49:09.960 --> 1:49:16.840 why I was bored, I basically begged him. Yeah, talking 1:49:16.840 --> 1:49:18.920 about how you guys met, So Danielle, you kind of 1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:22.160 you kind of track them down. Yes, I'm working on 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:26.559 a show for YouTube. It's a cooking show for Meat Eater, 1:49:27.160 --> 1:49:32.559 and it's a show that's basically wanting to explore different 1:49:32.560 --> 1:49:35.240 places in the US and different chefs who have um 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:41.320 a very unique perspective chefs, right, yeah, Yeah, all of 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:46.439 them are professional chefs and someone who has a unique 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:49.960 perspective and a direct experience with what they're doing in 1:49:50.000 --> 1:49:52.720 the outdoors and with cooking and how that relates to 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:54.479 each other. So I wanted to sort of tell the 1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:57.000 stories of who those chefs are, what it is that 1:49:57.040 --> 1:50:01.439 they're doing, um hunting, fishing, and then um, sort of 1:50:01.439 --> 1:50:04.200 the culture around that, because I think that's another part 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:06.920 of something that we haven't really tapped a lot into 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:11.360 with Meat Eater UM, is that there is definitely a 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:15.320 culture surrounding the food. And like Kevin's story, it's not 1:50:15.400 --> 1:50:20.840 just that he grew up in Georgia hunting quail subsist 1:50:21.040 --> 1:50:23.920 subsistence hunting, but it's it's a huge part of the 1:50:23.960 --> 1:50:27.800 identity of what Georgia is. Um, there's a great conservation 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:29.960 story there. I just think there was just a lot 1:50:30.040 --> 1:50:33.200 of it all wrapped up into one thing. So so yeah, 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:37.280 I um uh messaged Kevin on Instagram like I want 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:40.000 to do this cooking show and highlight you in Georgia 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:42.840 and do some quail hunting. Um, that's kind of how 1:50:42.880 --> 1:50:45.800 it started. Yeah, Like so I followed Daniel. I think 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:47.800 we followed each other on social media and it just 1:50:47.960 --> 1:50:51.839 that's how it came about. Yeah, it's precious. Tell everybody 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:59.280 your Instagram handle Daniel Danielle p R E W E 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:03.160 T T if you want to follower and be on 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:06.479 her cook and show. I was super creative of mine 1:51:06.479 --> 1:51:09.639 as well. Chef Kevin Gillespie so that I wasn't confused 1:51:09.680 --> 1:51:13.639 with whatever other Kevin Gillespie somewhere. Yeah, I think there 1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:16.120 actually is a really famous, like comic book artist who 1:51:16.120 --> 1:51:18.559 has that same name. I've been because people constantly asked 1:51:18.600 --> 1:51:20.840 me about my drawings and I'm like, no, no, you 1:51:20.840 --> 1:51:24.759 don't want to see my drawings. Yeah, So I reached 1:51:24.800 --> 1:51:28.920 out and we filmed an episode in Georgia and I 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:32.160 got to know him more and like them, Like I 1:51:32.240 --> 1:51:34.439 knew that we wanted. I wanted to like do more 1:51:34.560 --> 1:51:37.320 with you in regards to meat Eater, but like you 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:39.720 kept saying like you're ready for this next chapter, and 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:41.439 I'm like, I know what that next chapter is going 1:51:41.479 --> 1:51:45.080 to be. I've seen the future. Yeah, And then I 1:51:45.120 --> 1:51:50.240 went back talked to Katie and Tracy because like, we 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:53.920 need to get this guy on board with me. Eater. Well, yeah, 1:51:53.920 --> 1:51:56.679 the timing was definitely fortuitous because I definitely was ready 1:51:56.720 --> 1:51:58.960 to sort of take the next step. You know, Um, 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:01.240 some people know as some people don't, but I am 1:52:01.280 --> 1:52:05.760 a cancer survivor and um, when I went through all 1:52:05.800 --> 1:52:08.200 of that, which was only three years ago, I had 1:52:08.240 --> 1:52:11.599 to basically completely overhaul my company because I was an 1:52:11.640 --> 1:52:14.880 extremely hands on operator. But then I obviously couldn't be 1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:17.519 there and so made a lot of promotions and sort 1:52:17.560 --> 1:52:22.479 of restructured the organization entirely. And when I came back, 1:52:22.560 --> 1:52:25.519 I found that a Everything was great, like people did 1:52:25.680 --> 1:52:30.000 an amazing job, and b that they didn't need me 1:52:30.120 --> 1:52:32.479 there all the time, like they needed me there too 1:52:32.960 --> 1:52:37.160 to coach and mentor and to lead in in some aspects, 1:52:37.200 --> 1:52:40.000 but they didn't need me actually physically in the restaurant 1:52:40.640 --> 1:52:43.160 working on the line or you know, washing dishes or 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:44.560 talking to guests or whatever the case. You think it 1:52:44.600 --> 1:52:46.240 would have been bad form for you to come back 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:49.080 anyway and be like I'm back, Oh totally yeah. I 1:52:49.120 --> 1:52:54.360 mean it also exactly you know those promotions never mind 1:52:55.040 --> 1:53:00.160 bay cuts. Um. It was honestly, it was terrifying I 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:02.000 had to do it in the first place, but then 1:53:02.000 --> 1:53:03.040 it turned out to be like the best thing that 1:53:03.040 --> 1:53:05.800 I've ever done, Like it was, and it frankly, it 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:08.439 made me have this moment where I realized that in 1:53:08.520 --> 1:53:10.840 my career people have done that for me, Like the 1:53:10.880 --> 1:53:14.760 guys I've worked for have taken a step back. You know, 1:53:14.920 --> 1:53:17.000 when when you're twenty five, you think they just they 1:53:17.040 --> 1:53:19.200 want me to do all the work. It's like it's 1:53:19.200 --> 1:53:22.519 my turn, like it's it's your turn. So it was 1:53:22.560 --> 1:53:25.519 my turn to let other people succeed and grow. And 1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:27.519 that's really all I care about at this point is 1:53:28.120 --> 1:53:30.439 trying to build these teams and watch people succeed. And 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:33.679 so I knew that I had the ability, the time, frankly, 1:53:33.880 --> 1:53:36.000 to do something else. And it's like some people said, 1:53:36.040 --> 1:53:38.640 like why Kevin, just like you have you know, you 1:53:38.680 --> 1:53:40.280 don't have to work that hard anymore. You could just 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:42.599 stay at home and like, you know, you literally can 1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:44.719 just do whatever you want and you know, collect collect 1:53:44.720 --> 1:53:46.360 money when it comes in from the restaurants. But that's 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:49.040 just not my that's not my personality. So I wanted 1:53:49.080 --> 1:53:52.280 to do something else. I wanted to challenge and this 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:57.080 seemed challenging. So um now said Danielle reached out, and 1:53:57.840 --> 1:54:02.320 um this conversation started and it was totally unexpected. But 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:04.360 I'm very excited to be here doing it because it 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:07.840 also allows me to not just the creating of food 1:54:07.840 --> 1:54:10.720 around sort of wild game and fish and stuff like that. 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:13.439 That is that's something I'm uber passionate about because I 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:15.080 think a lot of chefs are I think actually most 1:54:15.160 --> 1:54:18.240 chefs are really passionate about that because we're all looking 1:54:18.280 --> 1:54:21.000 for the best ingredient constantly. That's the secret, you know, 1:54:21.080 --> 1:54:22.519 how do you make great food while you start with 1:54:22.520 --> 1:54:24.680 great stuff, Like if you start with mediocre stuff, you 1:54:24.920 --> 1:54:28.120 mediocre food. And so I don't think that part is 1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:32.000 much of a departure. But trying to find a way 1:54:32.040 --> 1:54:35.400 to bring more people into the fold who have never 1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:38.720 been a hunter, who have never fished, who have never 1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:42.880 stepped outside barely, how can we get them to buy 1:54:42.920 --> 1:54:45.400 in and believe in this world? I think maybe through food. 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:48.240 I think that path is probably something that is going 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:50.120 to allow us to convert a lot more people. And 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:51.800 so that's what Danielle and I are working on now, 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:55.160 is trying to find new opportunities where we can get 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:58.240 these people over to sort of our side, to recognize 1:54:58.280 --> 1:55:01.280 that the hunting is always been about the food man 1:55:01.400 --> 1:55:03.960 like and it's like and it's special, and so that's 1:55:04.000 --> 1:55:08.600 that's what we're gonna do. So explain the Danielle, when 1:55:08.600 --> 1:55:11.520 we met, you were doing um like you're sort of 1:55:11.520 --> 1:55:15.320 the world you created was wild and whole. Uh, explain 1:55:15.400 --> 1:55:17.320 that to people, like, like how you came up with 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:21.320 that and what you're doing with it now. Um, you know, 1:55:21.400 --> 1:55:25.240 it kind of came not my choice or people talked 1:55:25.280 --> 1:55:28.160 me into creating a blog, but really, I I didn't 1:55:28.200 --> 1:55:32.160 come into hunting. I'm married a hunter, was telling we 1:55:32.160 --> 1:55:35.440 were talking about stories and Hawaii, how we met our spouses, 1:55:35.960 --> 1:55:39.080 And the first day I went on with Travis, he 1:55:39.120 --> 1:55:41.360 took me to a gun range to shoot. He was 1:55:41.400 --> 1:55:43.880 studying in his rifle, and so the second day he 1:55:43.960 --> 1:55:47.360 cooked me his backstraps and I remember, yeah, he was 1:55:47.400 --> 1:55:50.880 being a methodical man. Yeah. Yeah, It's it's funny because 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:53.840 I mean I didn't grow up hunting, and so that 1:55:53.920 --> 1:55:56.160 was the first time I've had Actually my dad was 1:55:56.200 --> 1:56:01.120 a hunter, so I had had venison before. Um, so yeah, 1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:03.960 I just remember like he was like this is really special. 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:05.600 Like he made a big deal about like this is 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:08.000 really special. It's not just like I just bought a 1:56:08.000 --> 1:56:09.560 steak from the store and I'm cooking it for you. 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:11.600 Like I remember him making a big deal about it. 1:56:11.880 --> 1:56:14.240 And I was just like I just didn't really get it. 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:17.560 But anyway, like we kept dating and that involved and 1:56:17.920 --> 1:56:20.200 we got married and he was bringing home food all 1:56:20.200 --> 1:56:22.800 the time, and I was fascinated with it because I 1:56:22.840 --> 1:56:28.040 had started cooking, working at UM these cooking classes, and 1:56:28.480 --> 1:56:31.720 I graduated with a degree in apparel design, and I 1:56:31.760 --> 1:56:33.640 wanted to go to culinary school, and so I was 1:56:33.720 --> 1:56:37.800 like doing these cooking classes, and I just thought Wild 1:56:37.800 --> 1:56:41.400 Game was fascinating, purely for the fact when you were 1:56:41.480 --> 1:56:45.880 leading cooking classes, UM, I was working. I started dishwashing. 1:56:45.960 --> 1:56:47.960 By the end of it, I was teaching a little bit. 1:56:49.040 --> 1:56:51.520 I'm sorry, I mean like, not, you're not taking the 1:56:51.560 --> 1:56:54.760 cooking classes, but you're oh, yeah, yeah, I was working. Yeah, 1:56:55.080 --> 1:56:57.640 I was working in them. Anyway, I thought it was fascinating. 1:56:57.680 --> 1:56:59.880 I wanted to go to culinary school, but I thought 1:57:00.280 --> 1:57:02.800 wild Game was interesting because you kind of had this 1:57:02.880 --> 1:57:04.800 chance to work with something new every time. It's not 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:06.600 like when you go to the grocery store you know 1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:10.280 exactly what you were expecting something because it's so standardized. 1:57:12.360 --> 1:57:21.240 Is It was just fascinating to me. And then UM 1:57:21.320 --> 1:57:24.560 we moved to North Dakota, and that was what really 1:57:24.640 --> 1:57:28.920 changed my life. And we realized that we could like 1:57:29.040 --> 1:57:32.240 hunt and fish all year round all the time, so 1:57:32.320 --> 1:57:35.160 much public land access, and that's what we did. And 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:37.160 so the more and more time I spent in the field, 1:57:37.960 --> 1:57:39.920 the more I got to sort of connect with the 1:57:39.960 --> 1:57:43.240 food and it became something way bigger, and I had 1:57:43.280 --> 1:57:48.360 this aha moment that food is not just about calories 1:57:48.640 --> 1:57:52.440 or about like things that taste good. It. I finally 1:57:52.480 --> 1:57:54.680 realized that there was a meaning behind it. And I 1:57:54.720 --> 1:57:57.080 think I think everybody goes through that at some point 1:57:57.120 --> 1:58:00.680 in life, discovering that food carries a lot of meaning. UM. 1:58:00.760 --> 1:58:05.480 And so I decided I was also like learning a 1:58:05.520 --> 1:58:09.560 lot about our food sustainability reading Michael Pollen stuff, and 1:58:09.600 --> 1:58:11.520 I was just kind of had this moment of Travis, 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:13.680 I don't want to buy me anymore at the grocery store. 1:58:14.000 --> 1:58:16.840 So you're we're either going to like be vegetarians or 1:58:17.280 --> 1:58:19.920 we're already hunting, Like that's just really obvious rout we're 1:58:19.920 --> 1:58:22.600 gonna take. And so for him, it was like full permission, 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:27.080 like hunt any any day you want, Like there's no 1:58:27.080 --> 1:58:29.800 no um obligations at home, Like if you want to 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:32.720 go hunting one weekend, go hunting, I'm like making him 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:35.880 go hunt and I would go with them, UM so 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:38.240 that we can have enough meat to last is through 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:40.600 the year. And so we started doing that about nine 1:58:40.680 --> 1:58:46.160 years ago. UM of only UM eating meat that we've 1:58:46.320 --> 1:58:49.840 shot or fished for. And so my friends were like, 1:58:49.960 --> 1:58:53.440 that's crazy that you do that, you should start a blog. 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:56.160 And so that's what Wild and Hole started as it 1:58:56.320 --> 1:58:59.120 was just sort of this creative outlet to sort of 1:58:59.800 --> 1:59:03.760 x floor what it meant to eat consciously. That's really 1:59:03.800 --> 1:59:06.440 what it was about for me, was was what does 1:59:06.480 --> 1:59:08.960 it mean? What does it mean to like take responsibility 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:11.600 for your food? What does it mean to like know 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:15.280 that this animal that you're hunting all the things that 1:59:15.360 --> 1:59:20.240 had like are required to make this habitat healthy? And 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:23.520 and I suddenly cared about conservation in a way that 1:59:23.520 --> 1:59:26.880 I had never cared about before. Um. And so that's 1:59:26.920 --> 1:59:29.280 really what Wild and Hole started at and and it's 1:59:29.280 --> 1:59:32.560 sort of evolved over the years. Um but by the 1:59:32.600 --> 1:59:37.160 time this episode launches, we will be um creating a 1:59:37.160 --> 1:59:41.520 new website for Wild and Hole. I'm sort of looking 1:59:41.560 --> 1:59:44.720 at hunting and fishing as one way that you can 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:48.520 connect with your food or have a responsible responsibility, but 1:59:48.600 --> 1:59:53.000 also all the other avenues that go into that. For 1:59:53.040 --> 1:59:56.640 a long time, yeah, so I've I've gotten the garden bug, 1:59:57.400 --> 2:00:02.360 as probably everybody has past year, but um so so 2:00:02.480 --> 2:00:05.160 wild the whole is sort of like kind of being 2:00:05.200 --> 2:00:08.360 reinvigorated with a new life. We have a handful of 2:00:08.560 --> 2:00:12.440 contributors picked out that are going to be writing for us. UM. 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:16.280 We've got like a regenerative rancher from Alberta, UM, some 2:00:16.400 --> 2:00:22.840 foragers UM bree Van Scodder and um Wade from Elevated 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:26.480 wild UM. And then so sweep by some gardening content 2:00:26.600 --> 2:00:29.960 and then we'll be doing some stuff um like raising animals, 2:00:30.640 --> 2:00:34.240 chickens for eggs, UM, caring for honey bees, sort of 2:00:34.280 --> 2:00:37.000 that whole thing. So it's it's sort of expanding into 2:00:37.800 --> 2:00:44.120 a bigger picture of of food and our relationship with food, UM, 2:00:44.280 --> 2:00:45.960 the way that we see it, the way that we 2:00:46.120 --> 2:00:49.200 value it, and the effects on the environment. UM. So 2:00:49.240 --> 2:00:54.000 it's it's definitely more yeah, driven by food and of 2:00:54.000 --> 2:00:57.640 course recipes you should have Yanni. Do you should commission 2:00:57.640 --> 2:00:59.839 a piece of Yanni called ship that will kill your chickens? 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:11.560 We could just have corner column like and then you 2:01:11.640 --> 2:01:17.360 got your skunks. I can't raise chickens right now, but 2:01:17.400 --> 2:01:21.280 I've been wanting to get chickens really bad. My I'm 2:01:21.320 --> 2:01:24.920 I'm moving. I'm in Houston right now, and we're moving 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:27.720 to a small, really small town out in the country 2:01:27.760 --> 2:01:30.800 outside of San Antonio, and like part of this move 2:01:31.080 --> 2:01:33.680 was like we just want to get a few acres, 2:01:33.800 --> 2:01:35.680 have a little bit more space. And the whole point 2:01:35.800 --> 2:01:39.400 was like I can finally have my chickens, and our 2:01:39.440 --> 2:01:43.680 subdivision has a h o A won't let me have chickens. 2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:47.360 But those rules, those rules are falling. Those rules are 2:01:47.360 --> 2:01:51.640 falling like flies. Man. Yeah, I'm just people revolting against it. 2:01:51.920 --> 2:01:54.440 I mean I asked for forgiveness and not think you 2:01:54.480 --> 2:01:57.080 should like my h o A not where I currently live, 2:01:57.560 --> 2:02:00.000 had apparently how to rule about not being able to 2:02:00.040 --> 2:02:02.120 clean deer from a street sign, which I didn't know about. 2:02:03.720 --> 2:02:06.480 So say it again, not clean deer, can't hang deer 2:02:06.520 --> 2:02:08.640 from st sign? Yeah, but it's like a perfect height. 2:02:08.800 --> 2:02:11.160 Like so I was like, how else am I supposed 2:02:11.160 --> 2:02:13.680 to clean this deer? And they're like, not not in 2:02:13.720 --> 2:02:19.040 the subdivision. My brother up an Anchorage. They feel like 2:02:19.080 --> 2:02:21.480 he was there when they made it. He could have 2:02:21.560 --> 2:02:23.560 chickens in your yard right in the city, you know, 2:02:23.680 --> 2:02:26.720 downtown Anchorage, and he had all these chickens run around 2:02:26.760 --> 2:02:28.960 and uh, he had a fence in the yard, like 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:30.760 a big high wooden fence around his whole yard, so 2:02:30.760 --> 2:02:34.480 his chickens just roamed around and um, one day one 2:02:34.480 --> 2:02:37.920 of his bodies is out walking his dog and this 2:02:37.960 --> 2:02:40.720 body runs into another body and they agree to go 2:02:40.960 --> 2:02:43.480 get a beer, and it brings up the question like 2:02:43.520 --> 2:02:45.760 what do we do with the dog? Oh my god, 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:47.640 So they go to my brother's house and he's not 2:02:47.760 --> 2:02:49.720 They just opened the gate and let the dog in 2:02:50.520 --> 2:02:53.440 without really thinking about it, like there like detained the 2:02:53.520 --> 2:02:57.080 dog in his fence, and um, he was out of town. 2:02:57.320 --> 2:02:59.880 He comes home and he comes home. His chickens are 2:02:59.880 --> 2:03:01.960 all lined up dead on his porch, you know, like 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:03.680 they laid them all out all nice because they didn't 2:03:03.680 --> 2:03:05.000 know what to do. But ye have that dog out 2:03:05.040 --> 2:03:11.360 in there and just annihilated them. Yeah, they kind of 2:03:11.360 --> 2:03:17.080 made him look nice and stamped. We were we were 2:03:17.120 --> 2:03:20.600 at the disc golf course and um, it's like in 2:03:20.640 --> 2:03:24.160 the middle of the city and out of nowhere, our 2:03:24.200 --> 2:03:26.280 dog comes up to us with a chicken in its mouth, 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:30.200 and we're like crap. And I like walking around like 2:03:30.320 --> 2:03:33.200 is this anybody's chicken? Like no, And I'm like, well, 2:03:33.800 --> 2:03:36.200 I just will eat it because so I like opened 2:03:36.240 --> 2:03:37.920 up the crop and I could see it was full 2:03:37.960 --> 2:03:40.440 of meal worms. So I'm like this thing like just 2:03:41.160 --> 2:03:44.680 escaped its coup. It was a silky chicken, which if 2:03:44.720 --> 2:03:50.080 you've ever plucked a silky chicken, their meat is black 2:03:50.120 --> 2:03:55.000 and their skin is dark bluish black. Yeah, it is good. 2:03:55.200 --> 2:03:59.800 It's a delicacy in China. Yeah, it's it's very expensive 2:03:59.840 --> 2:04:04.080 to buy. Insist. So I have a nice plucked blue 2:04:04.560 --> 2:04:09.000 silky chicken in my freezer. It's gonna be my farewell 2:04:09.080 --> 2:04:15.760 meal when I leave from the park. I never I've 2:04:15.800 --> 2:04:19.280 never done chickens. Uh, when you go down and buy 2:04:19.360 --> 2:04:21.760 them right, like can you pay extra and get ones 2:04:21.800 --> 2:04:23.960 that you know are females? Is there some deal like this? 2:04:25.320 --> 2:04:26.960 Like you buy them and you know there's gonna be 2:04:27.000 --> 2:04:29.720 some roosters mixed in. It's just a mixed bag. You 2:04:29.760 --> 2:04:33.200 don't know. I don't think they can be sex well, 2:04:33.240 --> 2:04:35.680 you can know there there's there's these experts to can 2:04:35.680 --> 2:04:38.760 sext them. Yeah, but I don't think. I think when 2:04:38.800 --> 2:04:41.880 you go down to the old you know, farm feed, 2:04:42.320 --> 2:04:46.480 so you really don't know if you buy chicks, so 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:49.000 what do you do? You kill them all? Eat the roosters. 2:04:49.640 --> 2:04:52.440 My brother, the same brother, I didn't realize this. He 2:04:52.520 --> 2:04:54.120 got a bat he went and got a batch, and 2:04:54.200 --> 2:04:56.720 it was all said and done. Every one of them 2:04:56.760 --> 2:04:59.680 was a rooster he gave. He had me kill one 2:04:59.720 --> 2:05:01.480 of them. She's eating a bunch of capin's, like just 2:05:02.160 --> 2:05:04.760 my kids. It was one of his kids took a 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:07.160 shine too. But it started like like every day you 2:05:07.200 --> 2:05:09.960 wake up and here's some new one crowing crow. Yeah, 2:05:10.040 --> 2:05:11.760 so just one started crowing. I took it home and 2:05:11.800 --> 2:05:14.080 cooked it for my kids, And then next day here's 2:05:14.080 --> 2:05:16.240 a not a one crown, and pretty soon they got 2:05:16.240 --> 2:05:21.200 done killing everybody that crowed zero chickens. Yeah, it's funny too. 2:05:21.240 --> 2:05:23.160 We went through it one time. I want to say 2:05:23.160 --> 2:05:25.160 it was with when we had some bantams for a 2:05:25.160 --> 2:05:27.760 little while, which were basically just a little miniature chickens, 2:05:28.400 --> 2:05:32.120 and there was a procession like that because for whatever 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:35.960 reason that they're packing order, I guess you'd be like, oh, well, 2:05:35.960 --> 2:05:38.960 we just have one rooster left. You know, nobody else 2:05:39.040 --> 2:05:42.040 is crowing. Take him out. The next morning you're like, 2:05:42.080 --> 2:05:44.400 hold on, what was that. You go down there, and 2:05:44.440 --> 2:05:47.080 sure enough, So and so's bowed up and no longer 2:05:47.240 --> 2:05:49.720 is a hen anymore, but it's turned into a rooster 2:05:49.800 --> 2:05:52.040 and it's crowing. His head off, you know what. That's 2:05:52.040 --> 2:05:54.120 what Aber and Matthews talking about with wild turkeys. Know, 2:05:54.120 --> 2:05:56.560 when you get a power jake, like when Jake starts 2:05:56.520 --> 2:05:59.320 strutting Goblin, he says, it's usually because there's been a 2:05:59.400 --> 2:06:03.600 serious interruption in their social hierarchy, and they come into 2:06:03.640 --> 2:06:06.480 it docile, like, don't do that, man, you get your 2:06:06.520 --> 2:06:08.360 you know someone's gonna beat your ask if you do that. 2:06:08.760 --> 2:06:11.680 But then you know, as season goes on, they're kind 2:06:11.680 --> 2:06:13.320 of like, you know, I haven't seen that guy around. 2:06:13.320 --> 2:06:16.560 It usually beats me up when I do anything aggressive, 2:06:16.600 --> 2:06:20.080 and then they start getting full of themselves and start 2:06:20.160 --> 2:06:22.640 being like acting like the man. You know it will 2:06:22.680 --> 2:06:26.720 successfully breed. Uh. I had one more chicken quick, Oh, 2:06:26.720 --> 2:06:29.400 I got an article for wild and Hole that someone 2:06:29.480 --> 2:06:33.120 needs to do. You get Chris Calkins involved at Colkins. 2:06:33.120 --> 2:06:36.280 Get him involved in it, those guys, because every every 2:06:36.280 --> 2:06:39.560 time I'm talking to chicken people, it seems like there's 2:06:39.560 --> 2:06:42.720 a question about what do you do with the ones 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:46.360 that like the ones that get killed by this, the 2:06:46.520 --> 2:06:51.280 roosters that you gotta kill. It would be um chicken 2:06:52.320 --> 2:06:58.280 everything chicken egg people need to know about eating their chickens. Oh, 2:06:58.280 --> 2:07:00.240 because they don't know how to like clean it. Well, 2:07:00.240 --> 2:07:02.200 it's like can you do this? And can you do that? 2:07:02.280 --> 2:07:04.440 And how should you cook a little ship and chicken 2:07:04.440 --> 2:07:07.120 that just started crowing and you gotta go kill him? 2:07:07.320 --> 2:07:10.840 The dog killed one. Be like all because this is 2:07:10.880 --> 2:07:13.280 for like very entry level people who don't have a 2:07:13.320 --> 2:07:16.320 lot of blood on their hands, right, So you'd lay 2:07:16.320 --> 2:07:18.280 out for them all the things they need to know 2:07:18.320 --> 2:07:22.520 about eating, all the how to make the best of 2:07:22.560 --> 2:07:24.600 all the death that goes on in egg raising. I 2:07:24.600 --> 2:07:26.720 could write. I could write that article all the different 2:07:26.760 --> 2:07:28.600 life stages of chicken, like what you do with him? 2:07:30.160 --> 2:07:32.040 Every chicken person I talked to you, most of the 2:07:32.040 --> 2:07:35.200 things they talk about is things that happened to their chickens. 2:07:38.760 --> 2:07:40.840 One of the other guy saw about they had a 2:07:40.840 --> 2:07:42.200 tree fall on is. I don't want to get into 2:07:42.200 --> 2:07:43.680 his name, but the guy that had a tree crushed 2:07:43.680 --> 2:07:52.120 his truck. He says, this guy lives downtown. He's like, 2:07:52.640 --> 2:07:55.000 fox got my chickens. I'm like, no, it didn't. Like 2:07:55.080 --> 2:07:58.040 it's probably chiop a cobra. So he puts out a 2:07:58.040 --> 2:08:04.360 trail cam and students downtown man, some fox, Downtown bowlsman. Yeah, 2:08:04.960 --> 2:08:07.560 some fox. I don't feel like that's a stretch. I 2:08:07.640 --> 2:08:12.960 thought it was. There's like a hundred bucks walking around downtown. 2:08:13.440 --> 2:08:16.200 I gave him. I gave him some kyote lure and 2:08:16.240 --> 2:08:18.800 he put the that out and uh, he said that 2:08:18.880 --> 2:08:21.880 stuff could melt glass, you know. But he had pictures 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:23.160 of it coming up to smell it. And that's what 2:08:23.240 --> 2:08:27.400 he's got anyways, even like that. So now he's got 2:08:27.400 --> 2:08:32.160 dead chickens laying around going to waste. I think people 2:08:32.160 --> 2:08:34.760 throw them in the garbage can. That's really sad. I 2:08:36.000 --> 2:08:39.120 take a chicken home from the park. There you go. 2:08:39.640 --> 2:08:42.640 So I'm talking about the article. Whatever. We haven't an 2:08:42.640 --> 2:08:45.400 aversion at our house too, for eating, Like when we 2:08:45.440 --> 2:08:48.120 had a fox, you know, platter a bunch of them. 2:08:48.280 --> 2:08:49.880 No, no no, no, no, we don't mind eating them, like 2:08:49.920 --> 2:08:51.800 if you just go and kill him. But like when 2:08:51.800 --> 2:08:54.120 you find him laying around and there was this like 2:08:54.280 --> 2:08:58.120 stress incident maybe or whatever, and then the fox, you know, 2:08:58.320 --> 2:09:05.840 ravaged him. I don't think you feed a tomingous. I 2:09:05.840 --> 2:09:08.600 guess that's a good question, is could you contract anything 2:09:08.720 --> 2:09:11.960 if like an animal like a rodent had been chewing 2:09:12.080 --> 2:09:16.240 or eating? Don't ask This sounds like a collaborative effort here, 2:09:16.280 --> 2:09:18.400 So we need Danielle to talk about raising chickens. We 2:09:18.440 --> 2:09:20.640 need y need to talk about what kills your chickens. 2:09:20.640 --> 2:09:23.040 We need Chris awagh in on how dangerous it is 2:09:23.080 --> 2:09:24.800 to eat a chicken. When you do the article, you 2:09:24.840 --> 2:09:27.240 should interview Yanni about how he doesn't want to eat 2:09:27.240 --> 2:09:29.960 the fox killed chicken. I would eat him in a second, 2:09:30.000 --> 2:09:31.320 and then I'll jump in and tell you what to 2:09:31.360 --> 2:09:33.400 do with the chicken based on how old it is. 2:09:33.600 --> 2:09:37.480 I was going to eat a tomato is gonna be 2:09:37.480 --> 2:09:44.120 like a New Yorker length article exactly? I was saying 2:09:44.160 --> 2:09:46.520 I was going to eat a tomato that a possum 2:09:46.560 --> 2:09:48.280 had already eaten half of it. I was just gonna 2:09:48.280 --> 2:09:50.839 eat the other half. My husband told me that was gross. 2:09:51.280 --> 2:09:54.640 That might be pushing it, don't I kind of disagree 2:09:54.680 --> 2:09:58.960 with your husband ought to respected you more. Did you 2:09:59.040 --> 2:10:01.840 watch it eat the other half? Or were you just like, no, 2:10:01.920 --> 2:10:05.360 you weren't like tomade jerk. No, it was the first. 2:10:05.720 --> 2:10:08.160 It was a black crim It was the first heirloom 2:10:08.440 --> 2:10:10.920 that was coming in. Gner got it. You guys call 2:10:11.000 --> 2:10:14.000 them graanners down there sometimes. I got that from Doug 2:10:14.080 --> 2:10:15.880 during We didn't call him grenners. Have I have some 2:10:15.960 --> 2:10:17.800 good postums story. We have a lot of postums, and 2:10:18.240 --> 2:10:21.280 cook those possums up. No, do you know that the 2:10:21.400 --> 2:10:25.120 old old old Joy of cooking m You know, they 2:10:25.120 --> 2:10:28.360 are always revamping it. It all kind of went ship 2:10:28.360 --> 2:10:30.400 when they started putting couz cuse recipes in there. But 2:10:30.960 --> 2:10:34.560 in the old days, the Joy of cooking head instructions 2:10:35.480 --> 2:10:39.480 about how to catch a possum, what to feed it 2:10:39.520 --> 2:10:42.440 in captivity, and then what the how to cook it? 2:10:42.520 --> 2:10:46.360 That wasn't would like that book, that old Joy cook. 2:10:46.400 --> 2:10:47.920 It'd be like you're supposed to take like, I don't 2:10:47.920 --> 2:10:50.320 know what the hell you know? How to fatten it 2:10:50.320 --> 2:10:54.879 on oatmeal? Is that the real example that they feeded oatmeal? 2:10:55.360 --> 2:10:57.280 It was like you do you feed it like a mash, 2:10:57.360 --> 2:10:59.720 like a grain or something. It was all enjoy cooking man, 2:11:00.280 --> 2:11:02.400 how to how to handle the possum, fatten it? Up 2:11:02.800 --> 2:11:06.120 to this day, I haven't eaten one. I I used 2:11:06.160 --> 2:11:11.920 to catch soul many possums fox trapping. I just didn't 2:11:11.960 --> 2:11:15.720 like them. Remember one time we're all the snow and 2:11:15.760 --> 2:11:17.840 my old man had shot a buck and never couldn't 2:11:17.880 --> 2:11:19.480 find a shot was bow and didn't find it till 2:11:19.520 --> 2:11:21.480 way later and cut the took the head offs. You 2:11:21.480 --> 2:11:24.880 wanted to get stuffed anyway. And we were and my 2:11:24.920 --> 2:11:26.440 brother were out rabbit hunt and we went and took 2:11:26.480 --> 2:11:28.320 a look at that deer. This is in the wintertime, 2:11:29.760 --> 2:11:32.760 and there's like a hole kind of eating through the deer. 2:11:33.680 --> 2:11:35.320 And I looked down in that hole and there's a 2:11:35.320 --> 2:11:37.760 grinner living in there. I remember hauling out by his 2:11:37.800 --> 2:11:40.440 tail and taking a picture of you know, this is 2:11:40.520 --> 2:11:43.320 probably December. I guess I have a thing of like 2:11:43.400 --> 2:11:46.040 you are what you eat eat. So as much as 2:11:46.080 --> 2:11:48.880 I look like there's a wide array of wild game 2:11:48.920 --> 2:11:51.880 that I love to eat, but like I don't know 2:11:51.920 --> 2:11:55.160 what all they're eating. If it's questionable what they're eating, 2:11:55.200 --> 2:11:56.840 I don't want to eat it. If you laid out 2:11:56.840 --> 2:11:58.640 in your garden long enough a possum to eat you 2:11:59.400 --> 2:12:02.360 eat me. Oh dude, they'll eat That's why I don't 2:12:02.360 --> 2:12:04.880 want to eat. My wife subscribes to that same plan, 2:12:04.960 --> 2:12:07.280 because we had like a squirrel issue and so I 2:12:07.360 --> 2:12:08.880 just I was like, well, I'm going to deal with 2:12:08.920 --> 2:12:10.040 it the way that we did as a kid. So 2:12:10.080 --> 2:12:11.840 I just started shooting all the squirrels in our yard 2:12:12.000 --> 2:12:15.520 tree squirrels. Yeah, And I was like getting ready to 2:12:15.520 --> 2:12:18.080 cook him up for dinner, and she was like the 2:12:19.560 --> 2:12:24.800 grill and I was like, yeah, squirrels digging and trash 2:12:24.800 --> 2:12:30.600 eating trash, So I won't eat squirrels inside. Yeah. I 2:12:30.600 --> 2:12:32.760 don't know, man. I mean you know bears I like. 2:12:32.880 --> 2:12:37.240 I like bear meat, bears, hoodles. The hogs are the 2:12:37.280 --> 2:12:39.200 same way. I still like hog meat, but they'll eat 2:12:39.240 --> 2:12:45.480 some weird stuff. Yeah, everything everything. Uh, one last question 2:12:45.520 --> 2:12:47.800 for you, Daniel, Um, you're not a back out of 2:12:47.840 --> 2:12:50.280 donating that dog to the Mediator auction house? The oddities 2:12:50.320 --> 2:12:53.640 are you? Well? I can't now tell people about that dog. 2:12:54.040 --> 2:12:57.800 It's a Girlsian Streimer. What is it called Deutsch jot heart? 2:12:59.520 --> 2:13:01.960 So I've got a Deutsch strat hard. His name is 2:13:02.080 --> 2:13:06.440 z which um these dogs talking about how to name 2:13:06.680 --> 2:13:10.200 the kid. You have to name it based on the 2:13:10.280 --> 2:13:14.880 number of litter. So litter one is a let you 2:13:14.960 --> 2:13:17.640 have to with an A. If it's the second litter 2:13:17.760 --> 2:13:20.120 out of that kennel, it's gotten have a name that 2:13:20.160 --> 2:13:22.800 starts with the B and three. And this is a 2:13:22.880 --> 2:13:28.280 rule for all dogs or that it would be like Abigail, 2:13:28.480 --> 2:13:33.640 Annie Apple Arthur. Yeah, whose rule is it? The drought 2:13:33.680 --> 2:13:41.200 harder communities. I mean you can exactly. I mean maybe 2:13:41.280 --> 2:13:44.080 that's just required. It's definitely required on paper, but you 2:13:44.200 --> 2:13:46.400 don't have to stick with it. You can call it 2:13:46.520 --> 2:13:48.880 whatever you want. And this is the first litter. Now, 2:13:49.040 --> 2:13:50.840 is the first litter that comes from the bitch or 2:13:50.880 --> 2:13:55.400 the first litter that comes from thee from the kennel? Oh? No, no, 2:13:55.560 --> 2:13:58.200 from the kennel. I think I don't think so, even 2:13:58.240 --> 2:14:00.960 if you're if you have multiple breeding dogs, like yeah, 2:14:01.000 --> 2:14:03.080 if I have a kennel and I have two bitches, 2:14:03.320 --> 2:14:05.480 one has on her fourth litter and one is only 2:14:05.560 --> 2:14:07.360 on her second, it's I think it would still be 2:14:08.120 --> 2:14:13.040 six because it's the kennels litter. I think someone's probably 2:14:13.080 --> 2:14:14.760 going to write in them about that. We're going to 2:14:14.800 --> 2:14:16.920 get a lot of email. Community is going to be 2:14:17.040 --> 2:14:21.080 like would be like I call him like Zeke and 2:14:21.160 --> 2:14:25.720 zebulon and stuff. And so we got Z from the 2:14:26.040 --> 2:14:28.520 Z litter. His real name is Zesu, but we just 2:14:28.560 --> 2:14:33.240 call Z. Seriously, you have a Z litter dog? Yeah? 2:14:33.440 --> 2:14:45.280 Where they hire a Yeah, yeah, you gotta start three 2:14:45.360 --> 2:14:49.960 dogs anyway, So we've got what I think is a 2:14:50.040 --> 2:14:53.040 special dog keep part of the drought hart Um in 2:14:53.200 --> 2:14:57.520 order to be registered as a German um Deutsch drotart 2:14:57.880 --> 2:15:00.640 is that you have to go through these test um 2:15:01.000 --> 2:15:03.560 tests to be able to breed them. And so like 2:15:03.680 --> 2:15:07.360 they have this puppy test. It's within a year old. 2:15:07.800 --> 2:15:11.120 It's based on natural ability alone. So they will do 2:15:11.400 --> 2:15:17.320 um pointing tracking um like with rabbit tracks. We did 2:15:17.360 --> 2:15:19.800 a lot of drags. But but the puppy test is 2:15:19.880 --> 2:15:22.720 just pure natural ability. They just want to know what 2:15:22.960 --> 2:15:27.640 that puppy it was like, just has innate inside of him. 2:15:27.880 --> 2:15:30.400 They don't they don't even care like can your dogs sit? 2:15:30.720 --> 2:15:32.840 They don't care what you've trained them. They just want 2:15:32.880 --> 2:15:35.320 to know what that dog can do, because then you 2:15:35.360 --> 2:15:38.560 can start trading around with breeding with other people with 2:15:38.720 --> 2:15:43.040 like specifically honing in on their nose or specifically on 2:15:43.400 --> 2:15:47.400 on a different characteristics of dogs. So the point is 2:15:47.520 --> 2:15:50.360 to better the breed and not water it down. Um. 2:15:50.520 --> 2:15:53.440 So z we we went through his puppy tests. He 2:15:53.520 --> 2:15:57.120 got like an eight nine, which to you guys, but 2:15:57.320 --> 2:16:01.520 these numbers don't mean anything. But he p plus No, 2:16:01.760 --> 2:16:03.840 it was one of the best in the nations. In fact, 2:16:03.920 --> 2:16:07.280 that year he tied. Only one other dog got that score. 2:16:07.400 --> 2:16:13.400 But it's a very or seventy nine whatever. Yeah, he 2:16:13.480 --> 2:16:15.520 kicked ass and he took him to an arm brewster, 2:16:15.640 --> 2:16:19.280 which is like a national um. It's a different v 2:16:19.440 --> 2:16:23.879 G p um that it does have some training involved, 2:16:24.000 --> 2:16:25.920 and they do like a live They'll put like a 2:16:26.000 --> 2:16:27.680 live duck in the water and they have to find 2:16:27.720 --> 2:16:29.680 they don't see it in the water, and then the 2:16:29.800 --> 2:16:31.840 duck swims in like the reeds and they have to 2:16:32.120 --> 2:16:34.520 find the duck um And then you do all these 2:16:34.600 --> 2:16:36.800 like drags. Have you had them duke it out with 2:16:36.840 --> 2:16:39.240 a raccoon and a barrel? Yeah, that's part of the 2:16:39.360 --> 2:16:42.880 test is they have to dispass either a fox or 2:16:42.879 --> 2:16:45.720 a raccoon, and you have to have a witness. Dude, 2:16:45.800 --> 2:16:51.360 you're you are going to you just you just did something. 2:16:51.400 --> 2:16:57.039 You're gonna regret doing what you have opened up worms. Man, 2:16:58.520 --> 2:17:02.480 You're gonna get blown up. I for what Because there's 2:17:02.560 --> 2:17:05.240 people that know that that's true, and there's people that 2:17:05.320 --> 2:17:08.000 want to hide that that's true. You're going to hear 2:17:08.040 --> 2:17:10.240 it from the people that want to hide that that's true. 2:17:10.959 --> 2:17:17.720 Not if you're a drawn our owner a rabbit hole 2:17:17.840 --> 2:17:23.560 on this whole thing. Yeah, before before Ron was like 2:17:23.920 --> 2:17:28.000 stage five and the whole thing. Well, they're gonna come 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:32.480 after you bad. I'm okay with that anyway, I'll just 2:17:32.840 --> 2:17:38.959 release release the draught r on them. No. Um. So anyway, 2:17:39.240 --> 2:17:42.320 he's a he's a great dog. So he's having his 2:17:42.520 --> 2:17:46.560 first pup. Um. We just bred them like a week ago. Um, 2:17:46.920 --> 2:17:52.160 and she's pregnant now she should be Okay. Here's here's 2:17:52.160 --> 2:17:55.800 where I get really interested. Let's say all these dogs 2:17:55.920 --> 2:18:00.160 but one die, all the puppies but one die. Are 2:18:00.200 --> 2:18:03.600 we still having the auction? Yes? Because as a as 2:18:03.760 --> 2:18:07.640 a stud fee, you get pick of the litter, So 2:18:07.800 --> 2:18:10.760 I get the first puppy, even if everybody's dead. Yeah. 2:18:10.840 --> 2:18:13.600 So the other guys that that'll be interested to try 2:18:13.680 --> 2:18:17.640 that and to have that be tested in court. I'm 2:18:17.680 --> 2:18:21.880 sure it happens. Um No, because I think everybody else 2:18:21.920 --> 2:18:24.400 it's like you get the second pick, you get the 2:18:24.440 --> 2:18:26.600 third when you put your deposit in. It's kind of 2:18:26.680 --> 2:18:29.920 a first come first or so you get like, um, there, 2:18:29.959 --> 2:18:34.640 I think four puppies so far spoken for outside of mine. 2:18:34.840 --> 2:18:37.480 So if the if the if she has a litter 2:18:37.600 --> 2:18:39.720 of five or six or seven, then we can sell 2:18:39.840 --> 2:18:42.120 more because you're providing the stud It's sort of like 2:18:42.280 --> 2:18:44.920 understood that you come in and you get your pick first. Well, 2:18:44.959 --> 2:18:48.720 you either take money or you get the puppy. I 2:18:48.800 --> 2:18:50.920 can I can choose. I can choose if I want 2:18:51.000 --> 2:18:53.880 to accept a stud fee and then somebody else gets 2:18:53.920 --> 2:18:56.880 the pick of the litter. But you chose, Yeah, I 2:18:56.959 --> 2:18:58.920 chose pick of the litter. Do you do you have 2:18:59.000 --> 2:19:01.320 a right to watch? Do you have a right to be? Like? 2:19:01.600 --> 2:19:04.200 I want my pick of the litter as agreed upon, 2:19:05.400 --> 2:19:07.320 and then I want like another one, Like I want 2:19:07.360 --> 2:19:09.400 to come out of this with two Yeah, but I 2:19:09.400 --> 2:19:11.400 would pay for the second one, but you don't. But 2:19:11.560 --> 2:19:16.360 also you don't pick that second one early? Right? Um? 2:19:17.879 --> 2:19:20.280 I guess she had put in her deposit first. Yeah, 2:19:20.320 --> 2:19:24.000 if I'm the first one, yeah, but the one you're 2:19:24.000 --> 2:19:30.360 going to donate to these oddities? Yeah? Um, how are 2:19:30.400 --> 2:19:31.800 you so you're not trying to come out of this 2:19:31.879 --> 2:19:35.520 with a dog? No, I don't need a puppy right now? Okay, 2:19:35.600 --> 2:19:37.960 now I understand doing this for you guys, like this 2:19:38.120 --> 2:19:40.720 is gonna be big time pick of the litter. And 2:19:40.840 --> 2:19:44.560 I say pick of the litter, it really just means like, 2:19:44.840 --> 2:19:48.200 whoever wants this dog, first of all, they need to 2:19:48.440 --> 2:19:51.240 I would highly encourage them to like already be very 2:19:51.320 --> 2:19:56.520 well aware of what this breed of dog is. Um well, 2:19:56.560 --> 2:19:59.280 I'll say, like the reason we fell in love with 2:19:59.360 --> 2:20:02.080 this breed is they are a versatile hunting dog. But 2:20:02.280 --> 2:20:05.800 unlike a GSP that's just sort of wired. He comes 2:20:05.840 --> 2:20:10.080 in the house and it turns it off. Chill German 2:20:10.160 --> 2:20:14.920 Shorthair pointer. He's like very chill and very calm in 2:20:15.000 --> 2:20:18.600 the house, just a lovable dog. But when he is 2:20:18.760 --> 2:20:24.040 outside in the field, it's like this, it's like a machine, 2:20:24.120 --> 2:20:27.120 like it's he's a machine, like something clicks and he's 2:20:27.200 --> 2:20:32.280 just like not blood thirsty. You're make it him sound 2:20:32.320 --> 2:20:35.600 like he's like this killer. He depends on whether or not. 2:20:37.600 --> 2:20:39.240 And then you say that as if it's like a 2:20:39.360 --> 2:20:45.680 bad thing. It's just no combination by part. I just 2:20:45.760 --> 2:20:53.800 hear stories. There's there's stories. Test they fail, they just 2:20:53.920 --> 2:20:56.640 then turn into a German war. Not everybody has to 2:20:56.720 --> 2:20:59.360 go through the test. You you go through the test 2:20:59.480 --> 2:21:01.920 if if you just want to go through it with 2:21:02.000 --> 2:21:05.880 your dog, if you are planning on hunting the dog 2:21:05.959 --> 2:21:08.600 a lot. It helps the dog become a better hunting dog. 2:21:09.320 --> 2:21:12.320 But if you got through it and you fail or whatever, 2:21:13.040 --> 2:21:16.120 nothing happens. I mean, you can't breathe the dog. You 2:21:16.200 --> 2:21:19.080 can't breed them. Could you breed them as a German 2:21:19.120 --> 2:21:22.280 wire or you can because that's an a case, so 2:21:22.440 --> 2:21:25.959 this is a German breed. What would be the monetary 2:21:26.040 --> 2:21:29.000 value of this puppy? So nobody short She's gonna put 2:21:29.040 --> 2:21:34.200 in a minimum bid? Many dog? Maybe? Well, Danielle is 2:21:34.200 --> 2:21:36.160 still in a lot of red tape, bought all the 2:21:36.200 --> 2:21:39.879 red tape. Um, it is a minimum because that's how 2:21:39.959 --> 2:21:41.800 much all the other puppies are being sold for. And 2:21:41.920 --> 2:21:45.000 so if somebody, if it went for less than auction, 2:21:45.120 --> 2:21:48.360 then I'll just there's somebody in line wanting that puppy 2:21:48.560 --> 2:21:52.520 for hundreds, So that's what we'll do. Well the red tape, 2:21:52.520 --> 2:21:56.800 you gotta come get it, um. Yeah, So right now 2:21:57.040 --> 2:22:00.160 because of COVID, you can't fly the dog anywhere. Lot 2:22:00.200 --> 2:22:02.400 of times with with this you can just ship the 2:22:02.480 --> 2:22:04.840 dog to where you're at. But because of COVID, you 2:22:04.959 --> 2:22:07.640 can't fly with the dog. So you probably have to 2:22:07.720 --> 2:22:11.080 come to get it. And that's in North Dakota, not 2:22:11.200 --> 2:22:15.800 in Texas, North Dakota. Minimum you gotta pick it up, 2:22:17.600 --> 2:22:21.840 and it got all the paperwork. Yeah, does that person, 2:22:26.320 --> 2:22:30.240 we'd like them too, But they don't have to just 2:22:30.360 --> 2:22:32.480 let Spencers take it off the table and they'll have 2:22:32.640 --> 2:22:34.760 to go through all this auction stuff. I'll set the 2:22:34.800 --> 2:22:38.400 minimum bid, and I think I say pick of the litter. 2:22:38.720 --> 2:22:43.800 It's really what like I think most reputable breeders will do, 2:22:44.160 --> 2:22:46.520 is they watch these puppies as they start growing up, 2:22:46.640 --> 2:22:50.200 and they can start to tell differences in their qualities. 2:22:50.840 --> 2:22:53.120 And if you're a guy that's looking for like this 2:22:53.320 --> 2:22:55.560 certain type of dog, this is the dog for you. 2:22:55.680 --> 2:22:57.640 If you're looking for something else, this is the dog 2:22:57.720 --> 2:23:01.560 for you. So it's it's not like I feel like 2:23:01.640 --> 2:23:03.680 the pick of the litter is kind of a cheesy term. 2:23:03.800 --> 2:23:05.400 But yeah, if you took it and showed at pictures 2:23:05.440 --> 2:23:09.520 of house cats and watch how it responded, they're all 2:23:09.600 --> 2:23:12.000 going to have a scuffle with a house cat. So 2:23:12.160 --> 2:23:15.880 that's another red day. You probably shouldn't have a housecat 2:23:15.959 --> 2:23:24.840 you deeply love. Oh Spencer, you're out this cat lady. 2:23:24.959 --> 2:23:30.600 I think I think you can because like Bart George, 2:23:31.040 --> 2:23:34.920 you wouldn't believe it. He's got at least two I 2:23:35.000 --> 2:23:38.160 think house cats lion kill a house bowl of hounds. 2:23:38.480 --> 2:23:41.240 And when Mingus has stayed over there recently a couple 2:23:41.280 --> 2:23:44.360 of times. It's just like we kind of talked to 2:23:44.480 --> 2:23:46.600 Mangus and he's like, yeah, don't let him because that 2:23:46.760 --> 2:23:49.360 cat will f up your dog. And I'm like really, 2:23:49.879 --> 2:23:51.879 and so we kind of talked to Mingus and yeah, 2:23:51.920 --> 2:23:54.600 after a couple of passed buys, Manx is like, I'm 2:23:54.640 --> 2:23:57.680 not messing with Bart's lion hounds. Like, but that cat 2:23:57.800 --> 2:23:59.959 they live in the house. Yeah, they live in the house. 2:24:00.080 --> 2:24:01.880 Us with it. What do you say to Mingus when 2:24:01.920 --> 2:24:05.039 you're like laying out what's going on to say, no, okay, 2:24:06.000 --> 2:24:10.360 yeah there. My kid's dog was like, not like a 2:24:10.440 --> 2:24:16.520 genius dog, but I gotta where. I gotta where. It's 2:24:16.720 --> 2:24:20.880 not animal school. That dog knows not touching animal skull. 2:24:21.160 --> 2:24:24.240 It just knows because early from the day it came over, 2:24:24.320 --> 2:24:27.280 I'm like no, and now it's like say, yeah, I 2:24:27.360 --> 2:24:32.440 get it, I get it. I actually had to give 2:24:32.520 --> 2:24:34.200 up like an access dear rug in my house to 2:24:34.280 --> 2:24:36.000 my dog because he was so obsessed with it's like 2:24:36.120 --> 2:24:39.960 his rug. Now, yeah, it's his Like from I am 2:24:40.040 --> 2:24:44.600 surprised that we've somehow our dogs know the difference between 2:24:44.640 --> 2:24:46.880 well obviously taxter, I mean they don't they have no 2:24:47.080 --> 2:24:50.320 interest in any tax that smells like chemicals and stuff. Yeah, 2:24:50.440 --> 2:24:54.080 and then we have like this shelf of just sheds 2:24:54.640 --> 2:24:56.840 that like we don't want them to touch that. But 2:24:57.000 --> 2:25:00.160 I've started picking up little sheds and I give out 2:25:00.160 --> 2:25:02.600 to him and they know the difference somehow. I don't 2:25:02.600 --> 2:25:05.320 know how. Yeah. Yeah, my kids dog is the same thing. 2:25:05.360 --> 2:25:07.280 If it finds antler out in the yard, little chew it. 2:25:07.480 --> 2:25:09.199 There's no way in hell to chew an antler inside 2:25:09.240 --> 2:25:11.400 the house. Yeah, maybe my dogs aren't that smart. I 2:25:11.480 --> 2:25:13.920 had a life size have a life size mountain goat 2:25:14.120 --> 2:25:16.560 mount and it was in the house for a little bit, 2:25:16.640 --> 2:25:18.680 like I had to bring it inside before I transported it, 2:25:18.800 --> 2:25:21.080 and my dog like lost his mind about this animal. 2:25:21.160 --> 2:25:22.480 Like he would just circle it and be like what 2:25:22.600 --> 2:25:25.080 is this thing? Like for hours on end. You'd be like, 2:25:25.160 --> 2:25:26.640 where's Jonah And You're like, oh, he's in there, like 2:25:27.240 --> 2:25:30.520 like staring at the mountain goat. Yeah, my dog right 2:25:30.560 --> 2:25:35.600 now is uh um three D target. I took it 2:25:35.640 --> 2:25:40.039 off the box. The dog is not relaxed in the yard. 2:25:40.840 --> 2:25:43.680 It's like it's like a little mini elk one, you know, 2:25:44.560 --> 2:25:46.200 and thinks since that thing has been the yard. A 2:25:46.280 --> 2:25:49.080 dog is just like eyeballs. It walks around and sneaks 2:25:49.200 --> 2:25:51.920 up on it. It's just waiting to do something. It's 2:25:51.959 --> 2:25:54.560 like at that point in time, that thing is gonna 2:25:56.360 --> 2:25:59.400 think he's gonna beat my ass. All right, man? So 2:26:00.560 --> 2:26:06.080 uh finished my thoughts. The dogs coming stay tuned should 2:26:06.160 --> 2:26:08.880 be the first thing we auction off. Well, it's so 2:26:09.520 --> 2:26:13.560 I think the duration of the pregnancy is sixty days 2:26:13.920 --> 2:26:16.320 and then there's eight weeks until you can take the 2:26:16.360 --> 2:26:17.760 puppy home. So I don't know if you want to 2:26:17.879 --> 2:26:20.400 wait to like put it on auction until the puppy 2:26:20.520 --> 2:26:22.840 is born and we know how many there are? Can 2:26:23.760 --> 2:26:27.400 you need? Are? Oh? Yeah? D some bids off sense 2:26:27.400 --> 2:26:29.080 he's gonna wat, he's gonna see them cute poppy, and 2:26:29.120 --> 2:26:30.920 you really don't want like a new born photo. You 2:26:31.000 --> 2:26:33.720 want like a four week photo that they're so cute 2:26:33.720 --> 2:26:35.800 because they're born with little beards. Is like a little 2:26:35.840 --> 2:26:42.040 Benjamin Button furniture. Well, because here's the thing too, is 2:26:42.200 --> 2:26:44.880 the he's like a cat lady. But I think it's 2:26:44.920 --> 2:26:47.880 his wife's cats. Am I wrong? That's right? He this 2:26:48.000 --> 2:26:53.320 might all be part of his plan. No, I have 2:26:53.480 --> 2:26:55.800 no idea that that kind of dog was hard on cats. 2:26:56.840 --> 2:26:59.720 No one told me that, And all of a sudden, 2:26:59.720 --> 2:27:02.080 you're not a can't lead all right, every bay, thanks 2:27:02.120 --> 2:27:08.000 for joining. Stay tuned for meeting or cooks. Yep. Daniel 2:27:08.120 --> 2:27:14.640 show in hopefully October, and hopefully before then we'll get 2:27:14.640 --> 2:27:17.600 down to the Maybe not sometime around then we'll get 2:27:17.600 --> 2:27:19.800 down to auction and just puppy off. Yeah, look at 2:27:19.840 --> 2:27:23.640 it before that, take care of all you can't problems. Okay, 2:27:24.720 --> 2:27:25.400 thanks for joining,