1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 4: super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 4: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 4: the stuff they don't want you to know, as the 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 4: calindrical prow flies. It is Thursday if you're hearing this, 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 4: and it is time for one of our favorite things 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: we do on the show. In between our episodes, we 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: have a listener male segment where we crowdsource with you. 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 4: You and your fellow conspiracy realist are the stars of 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 4: our weekly listener mail segment. We're going to have some 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 4: shout outs around the world. We got a lot of 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: feedback on our recent Vibes episode. We're going to explore 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: that one of our pals in Atlanta might be haunted 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 4: and there are some serious worries about signing in online. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: Following up as we were talking about earlier. Following up 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 4: on our recent conversations regarding privacy. Before we get to that, 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: I just went to a quick shout out at the top, 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: you guys, shout out to our longtime listener Yena. This 25 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 4: is just a really short one. We won't read it 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 4: in full, but our pal Yenna, who was a longtime 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: listener in Maine and actually reached out to us for 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: using the phrase down sella thanks to our pal Andrew 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: Howard of follow Maynor. Jenna wrote to us and said, 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: since we aired a story about Lobster being potentially late 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: to a couple of deletorious health conditions in New Brunswick, 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: they haven't looked at Lobster the same and they say, 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: I live in Portland, Maine, Lobster is like one of 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: the best things about living in Portland, Maine. That's true, 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: and ask if we could follow up on this with 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: an update on the show. We will have this on 37 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: the way. We've got our eyes and our technacles on it. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: But most importantly, Yenna, we want to say, with great affection, 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: we hope you enjoyed the episode where we ruin caned Seafood. 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: If you haven't checked. 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 4: That one out, then give it a listen and tell 42 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: us what you think we also got an interesting email. 43 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: I think you guys saw it as well, from Little 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 4: Girl in a Little Island. It's a great yeah, yeah, 45 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: and this person writes to us with some strange news 46 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: from Palau, which I don't believe is making a lot 47 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: of a lot of waves here in the US. Essentially, 48 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: Little Girl in a Little Island, as a US citizen 49 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: who was born and raised in the southern West coast 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: of the US and liked it for some time, described 51 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: their childhood as the epitome of an American dream. And 52 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: then when her extended family was growing older, her family 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 4: relocated back to the island. And there's a lot going 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: on in this part of the world that the US 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: has huge influence on that the US public is not 56 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 4: generally aware of. You know, we've talked about nuclear experiments 57 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: back in the day in the Marshall Islands. We've talked 58 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: a little bit in the past about other nefarious activities 59 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: Uncle Sam has engaged with in you know, places like Diego, 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: Garcia and so on. But this part stood out to me. 61 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: Loved to hear everybody's thoughts. Little Girl from a Little 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: Island says, my country is a quote freely associated state 63 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: with the US so pretty much we accept usaid chump change. 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: Think like twenty mili a year in exchange for the 65 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: chance to be colonized. Uncle Sam is finally gone to 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: cash his chips. And there are soldiers everywhere. Our once 67 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 4: quiet skies are now filled with noisy military jets are 68 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: already crowded, streets are being worn by military vehicles that 69 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: are in these streets are not built for heavy equipment. 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: There are even a couple of Patriot missile launching systems 71 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 4: and missiles themselves on the island. I'm miserable. It's like 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 4: everything I was running from followed me home. I'm devastated. 73 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: US military get the out of my country. Being very 74 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: polite little girl on a little island, said GTFO. But 75 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: we'll do away with the niceties. When we're talking about imperialism, 76 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: What do you guys think about this? 77 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: Off the top of. 78 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: The dome or there's some compelling reasons that the US 79 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: would be increasing the militarization of US forces on these 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: sovereign countries. 81 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, strategic perhaps. 82 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: I mean, we're all getting ready for World War three. 83 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: Every country in the world is getting ready for it. 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: We just cluster bombs to Ukraine. That's a great idea. 85 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, there are more. There are more toys on the way. Yeah, 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 4: and we're doing an episode on the Chip War as 87 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 4: well in the future. It just it seems like the 88 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: people of this country, I think it's okay to say 89 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: it's plow. The people here are not really being given 90 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: an opportunity to say whether or not they want a 91 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: foreign military power occupying slash colonizing their land. 92 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: Isn't that kind of them though? Of you know, of 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: a force like you know, the United States military and 94 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: the Navy, and I've so many other powers like that. 95 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: You kind of show up once you establish a base 96 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: of any kind there. 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always forget how many countries there 98 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: are US military presence in and it's not like on 99 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: paper we're quote unquote occupying them, but through you know, 100 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: deals that have taken place in the past, those presences 101 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: just remain, you know, like like Germany. I mean there's 102 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: a huge military presence there and that's where I grew up. 103 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: I literally grew up in Germany because my father was 104 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: the choir director at a church on a US military base. 105 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: And it seems reminiscent perhaps of the island hopping strategies 106 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: that occurred in World War Two in the Pacific Theater 107 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 4: between Japanese forces and the US forces. It also these 108 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: are little chess moves, right, It's kind of like how 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: France passed that sketchy service valence law, completely cognizant that 110 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: they are going to use that against domestic descent, even 111 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 4: if it's just peaceful protesting this. It seems like a 112 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: move little girl on a little island, for the US 113 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: to better position itself for a possible hot war or 114 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: maritime conflict with China, depending on how things go in Taiwan. 115 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: That's the guess, right, Does that seem like the most 116 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 4: obvious guess, just given the the expense involved in getting 117 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: all that stuff out there m m. 118 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: And then once it's there and just kind of set 119 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: up shop. You mentioned Ben in your travels abroad as well. You, 120 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: but also other friends I have that have been in 121 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: the Navy, you know, spend tons of time in Korea 122 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: and in Japan. And I mean it really is just 123 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: like we kind of police the world in a weird way. 124 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: I mean, not police, it's all in ways that benefit 125 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: us or to kind of keep us, you know, unilaterally present. 126 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: The force projection. For a long time post World War Two, 127 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: the United States, through the Navy and through various other institutions, 128 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 4: ensured the safety of international shipping lanes, right ensure the 129 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: predictability and sustainability financially at least of global trade, and 130 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: increasingly this really hot topic in the world of foreign affairs. 131 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: Increasingly the current US administration is seen as pulling away 132 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: from that role, kind of deglobalizing its power or its 133 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: existence as an ubiquitous superpower. What does that mean for 134 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 4: the world. No one's really sure at this point. And 135 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: what does that mean if a global conflict breaks out? 136 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 4: No one sure either. And that's why there are that's 137 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 4: I would posit, that's why we see various world powers 138 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 4: that want to be the next hedgemon putting their anchor 139 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 4: holes on their anchor their anchor heads, of their footholds 140 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: in places far away from home, so that they don't 141 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: have to cross the Pacific to touch you if something 142 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: goes wrong. And that's that's a scary thing to think 143 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: about it. I think collectively it gives all of us 144 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: a bad vibe. 145 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: Because it's like a segue vibes into the film. We're 146 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: gonna do some Film Corner with with Ben about the 147 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: excellent piece of cinema that is Vibes the movie. It 148 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: should be called Vibes the movie, just just to separate 149 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: it from Vibes the concepts. Sure, what happened? Why didn't 150 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: they make Vibes too? I feel like, didn't it sort 151 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: of have the potential for a sequel? Honestly, I'm sorry 152 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: to go Vibes fanboaight for a second, but that movie 153 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: is like as good as Ghostbusters. I'm just good. I 154 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: will die on that hill. I really like the movie. 155 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: That's nice to say. 156 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's definitely some. It's definitely we something we 157 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: enjoy on the show, and we did. I think in 158 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: that episode we did a pretty good job of exploring 159 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: the concept of Vibes and not going too deep into 160 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: that amazing film, And we knew we would get a 161 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: lot of responses, so we just wanted to share a 162 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: couple of these responses that we got. One that was 163 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: really interesting was from Dan, and Dan says he was 164 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: listening to the episode about Vibes and had a theory 165 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: or some speculation about that study we cited regarding rating 166 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 4: professors based on ten seconds of silent video remember that one. 167 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: Nsley nuts, Yeah, because what is it If they had 168 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: to write down how they would judge the professor beforehand, 169 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: their conclusions were less likely to match the conclusions of 170 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 4: the students in the class the entire time. It's very 171 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: weird and counterintuitive. And Dan brings up something that I 172 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: had not heard of, a phrase I had not heard of, 173 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: and says, could the correlation between their rating and the 174 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: rating of the students who had taken the class not 175 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: also be explained by both groups making the same jump 176 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: to conclusion decisions because of hereditary heuristics or whatever? And 177 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: then the semester long kids not changing their mind appreciably. 178 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: You know the old adage about first impressions, just the thought. 179 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 4: Keep it up, guys, Thanks Dan. Hereditary heuristics, it's very interesting. 180 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: That's a great word. There's a Brian Eno song where 181 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: he talks about the heuristics of the mystics, and I 182 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: just think that's one of the most clever rhyme schemes 183 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: I've ever heard. 184 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the fiction worlds I write, heuristics are 185 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: treated as a superpower. But essentially heuristics is it's a 186 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: fancy word for mental short cuts that all human brains 187 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: use to solve problems in a quick way that is 188 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: not perfect but good enough to work. You know what 189 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,479 Speaker 4: I mean. Someone throws something at you, then you instantly 190 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: your brain makes a calculation, can I get this is 191 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: just a bottle of the breeze I have here? I'm 192 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: sure it's terrible for the world. But someone throws a 193 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 4: bottle of for breeze that you your brain, without much 194 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 4: conscious thought, will quickly make the calculation one, do I 195 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: catch this? Do I flee from it? 196 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: Right? 197 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: And then how do I catch it? And that's that's 198 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 4: an example of like touristics, right, figuring out how to 199 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 4: untie a knot, you know, all these little kind of 200 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: programmed psychological and physiological combo moves that we have and 201 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 4: without I couldn't find much on the term hereditary heuristics. 202 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: But I think maybe what we're describing, maybe what Dan's 203 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: describing here is similar to what we clocked with preconceptions 204 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: and prejudice, right, Like what was that is that part 205 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 4: of the conversation where we're saying, well does the professor 206 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: have glasses? Because no matter how intelligent people are, you 207 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 4: do tend to unconsciously attribute more intelligence to people who 208 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 4: wear spectacles. It's so weird, it's so true. So maybe 209 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: maybe there are those little subtle signals. I don't know. 210 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: It gets ugly when you talk about like perceived gender 211 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: or race as well, because of all those preconceptions. 212 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: Very true. 213 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 4: Do you guys think that explain it? 214 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: Well? 215 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: I just think you could use that for breeze to 216 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: smell less fearful and or disgusting. I mean, if we 217 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: were doing the test again, might. 218 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: The smell of fear it washes it with a patina 219 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 3: of like fake flowers. You know, everyone, we all know, 220 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: we all know what that smell really is. 221 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: It's such a weird study. 222 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: It is a weird study. And I think people, you know, 223 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: including de Grout, like the people we were name checking 224 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 4: who are working on this, I think they're still figuring 225 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: out the implications of these sorts of things. And yeah, 226 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: our answer, though it does seem to be based on 227 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 4: a lot of responses we had as well. Our answer 228 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: does seem to be the concept of unconscious smell, perhaps 229 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: even even as important as body language, and a little 230 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: bit more secretive, a little bit more conspiratorial, because it's 231 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: very rare. It's pretty rare unless someone smells very bad 232 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 4: for you to meet someone and say I don't like 233 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 4: him because he smells. But then again, in English, if 234 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: we don't like something, we say it stinks. I don't 235 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 4: know stuff to think about. We can. We'll keep this 236 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: one pretty short. There's one more vibe shout out, and 237 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: again there's so we want to thank everybody who wrote 238 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: to us or called are hit us up on social 239 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 4: media about vibes. There was one thing we should mention. 240 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: It was not specifically related to our episode, but it 241 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: was a great point from our friend Sean or sheen 242 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: Sei n apologies and from mispronouncing your name. 243 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: There. 244 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: This conspiracy realist says, I just listened to the Our 245 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: Vibes real episode and within minutes I was saying to myself, 246 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: I hope they talk about Rastafarian culture and belief about vibes. 247 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: So during their time in their adventures, this person was 248 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: traveling around Kingston, Jamaica with some musicians and learning about 249 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: Rastafarian culture and says quote, the overall message of vibes 250 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: in this culture is vibes are like a communal fire 251 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: that we all feed with care and are rewarded with 252 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: light and heat. 253 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: Every day. 254 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: We were told to regularly align with the intuition we 255 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: feel and how we connect to everything and everyone around us. 256 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: Be aware of how great you are to the people 257 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: you pass, the message and tone you speak, and the 258 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: willingness to connect those vibes. Actual acts and behaviors of 259 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: kindness and selflessness will reverberate in making one person feel good. 260 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: In an instance, you will give good vibes, and likewise 261 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: that experience will be passed into you. My experience, their 262 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: vibes were very real and very much about oneness, and 263 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: then shared some great stuff about We haven't done a 264 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: ton of stuff about Rastafarian culture, but the culture is fascinating. 265 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 4: In many cultures, selflessness is not in like reward driven cultures, 266 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: let's say very anarcho capitalistic cultures. Then selflessness is not 267 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: seen as an action that induces reward, but selflessness should 268 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: not be enacted for a reward in the first place. 269 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: To take it a step further, it's often seen in 270 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: some anarcho capitalist cultures as a sign of weakness, like 271 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: how could you possibly think of anyone other than yourself? 272 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: Or like how could you possibly look at portraying yourself 273 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: as helping others? As anything but a grift as anything, 274 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 3: but like a means to an end of like getting 275 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: what you ultimately want, like very self serving. So I mean, 276 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's important, I think, to bring ourselves 277 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 3: back to this idea. I mean, it's just referred to things, 278 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: you know, like karma or whatever, which I don't know 279 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 3: if I am all in on the spiritual aspect of that. 280 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: I think it's more of a functional thing. Like I think, 281 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: to me, karma can be measured by like the good 282 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: works you do come back to you because your reputation 283 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: precedes you, and people know about the things that you've done, 284 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: and they know you to be a person with quote 285 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 3: unquote good vibes, and therefore they'll think of you when 286 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: when an opportunity arises. 287 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: You know. 288 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 3: I don't think it's some mystical force. I think it's 289 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: literally just being a good person and training people with respect. 290 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 5: You know. 291 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do have mystical force too. It's it's kind 292 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: of a cultural framework. 293 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, any. 294 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 4: Study of evolution shows that the natural state of the 295 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 4: human being and of the primemates in general is to 296 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: attempt to collaborate and attempt to help when possible, you know, 297 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: And that's a good positive note for us to end on. 298 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 4: We would love to hear continuing thoughts about vibes. We 299 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: would love to hear your thoughts, of course, about expanding 300 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 4: US imperialism. 301 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: You can reach us. 302 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 4: We read every email we get where we're conspiracy at 303 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio dot com. You can also drop us line our 304 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: number one eight three three std WYTK. We're going to 305 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll be back 306 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 4: with more messages from you. 307 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: And we've returned a couple quick shout outs here. There's 308 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: an anonymous so and so that asked about our Cambridge 309 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: Analytica Classic episode. Wanted to know when it was originally published, 310 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: and that was from late April twenty eighteen, quite a 311 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 2: while ago when that first came out. So people have 312 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: been remarking that in that episode, we're really all three 313 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: of us. The stance of it sure seems like Facebook 314 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 2: is listening, but we have no way to prove that 315 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: it's listening. 316 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: I think that's the jupiter. 317 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: I think that's still kind of the same thing that 318 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 2: we're in. I mean, we're all kind of in that 319 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: same boat, right. Nobody at metas slash Facebook is saying 320 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: your phone is listening to you, and then that is directly, 321 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, transferring into the ads that you get served. 322 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: But question comes up a lot, the observation comes up. 323 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: A lot, exactly. But in response to that classic episode, 324 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: we also had someone named Ryan who wrote to us 325 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: who told us about an instance when he was loudly 326 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: and we imagine humorously singing Drops of Jupiter in a publix, 327 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: only to find himself being served Facebook ads for a 328 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: particular wine titled drops of Jupiter, which sure is a 329 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: dang coincidence. 330 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: I think it's from one of the guys from the 331 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: and the seminole early two thousand's alt rock country band Train. 332 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: There you go, it's getting Train ads for singing their 333 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: song in publics. Or maybe it was just a coincidence. 334 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: Was it in publics or just in public? It was 335 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: in public, in public, in published, got it. 336 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: We also received a message from someone named Chris in 337 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: Atlanta who is gonna tell us a story. It's almost 338 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: the full three minutes, so prepare yourselves to listen closely. 339 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: Here is Chris's message. 340 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 5: Hey guys, how's going? As is Chris from Atlanta? Here, 341 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 5: longtime listener to the show. Love it. I especially love 342 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 5: hearing about ghost stories and anything paranormal. I had an 343 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 5: experienced years ago that will kind of creeps me out. 344 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 5: I'm wondering if I'm haunted. In college, I gave it 345 00:20:54,200 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 5: a young woman and she had some odd mannerisms. I 346 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 5: noticed early on she would occasionally pause and stare off 347 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: into the distance with the blank stare, and I kept 348 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 5: getting the feeling that maybe she was theen things there 349 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 5: that I could not see. I eventually asked her about this, 350 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 5: and she revealed to me that she practiced WICCA, and 351 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 5: she in fact considered herself a medium, and that she 352 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 5: could sense spirits and could in some way converse with 353 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 5: them telepathically. Basically, she told me that there was a 354 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 5: little three year old girl a spirit that was somehow 355 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 5: attached to me and had been following me for several 356 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 5: years since I was a young child. Of course, I 357 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 5: thought this very odd and didn't believe it, and we 358 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 5: eventually broke up. Years later, I'm at a family get 359 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 5: together and my little sister is an old story of 360 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 5: when we were kids. I was probably ten or eleven. 361 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: We were exploring the woods out beside behind a farmhouse 362 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 5: that we lived in in Dylwan Virginia, we unwittingly stumbled 363 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 5: upon a very very old family grave site. These were 364 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: graves that dated back to pre Civil War times. It 365 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: was very old, very creepy, and in the process of 366 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 5: exploring this site, my sister and I tripped slid down 367 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 5: a bit of a hill and accidentally knocked over a 368 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 5: complete headstone. It was the headstone of a three year 369 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 5: old girl who died in the early nineteen hundreds. And 370 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 5: as my sister is recounting the story, I got the 371 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: biggest chill up my spine. The hair stood up on 372 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 5: the back of my neck. Oh my god, we desecrated 373 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 5: a grave and this spirit has been haunting me, following 374 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 5: me around my whole life. I don't know what do 375 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 5: you guys think. Have you ever done a show about 376 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 5: Wickan ideology? Is it possible to actually be a medium 377 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 5: and see spirits? I hope I'm not haunted? But thanks guys, 378 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 5: love the show. 379 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry it cut off there was right at 380 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: the three minute mark. Chris Din call back again and 381 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: just to make sure everything will well, And it did, 382 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: and we just played it on the air. Chris, so 383 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: thank you so much for calling in and telling us 384 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: that story. Man my goodness. Questions do you think do 385 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: you think knocking over the headstone of a grave site? 386 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: Do you think that is desecration? 387 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: If you did it by accident, I mean intent? Does everything? 388 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 5: Right? 389 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 4: The most boring, most accurate answer probably be it depends 390 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 4: on the culture, right, because in some cultures graves are 391 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 4: moved or exhumed after amount of time, you know, and 392 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 4: there are different things one can do to move it 393 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: in a respectful manner. And then also, you know, if magic, 394 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: if we accept the idea of magic or the supernatural, 395 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: is kind of having a weaponized psychology aspect to it, 396 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 4: you can also perform some active obedience to let like 397 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: to apologize. Right, that's fiction and fiction folklore and real 398 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 4: life anecdotes are are full of that. But I think 399 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 4: it's if we're talking about the supernatural, it's about intention. 400 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Right. 401 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 4: Did you knock over the gravestone with a malicious intent? 402 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 4: Or was it an accident? Do you feel bad? Et cetera? 403 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: Those are starting questions. 404 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: Got you no, okay? My wonder is that the headstone 405 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: is a completely separate thing from the actual grave, right, 406 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 2: it is in the same vicinity of it. It's represent 407 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: its representative of the remains that are you know, in 408 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: the earth six feet down or whatever. But it's not 409 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: the same thing as the person, you know, the physical 410 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: body and where it is in the grave. 411 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: That was my only questions, Like, well, I mean, is 412 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: graffiting a mausoleum, you know, desecrating a grave? 413 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: You know? 414 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: I mean, all of these things technically are kind of 415 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: part and parcel of the same thing. Again to your point, 416 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: depending on your perspective, like your religious belief or your belief, 417 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 3: and just the burial process, like yeah, I mean, if 418 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: you look at history of certain cultures and their burial grounds, 419 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: the way they mark the grave is sort of part 420 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: of the whole deal, you know, I mean, and like 421 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: and those things can be imbued with some sort of power, 422 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: you know, or at the very least be connected to 423 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: the departed. 424 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: It's really interesting me just taking the concept that let's 425 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: say spirits or whatever lingering energy does remain after death, 426 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: and then we'd have to suppose that that energy stays 427 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: around the physical remains, right, rather than in a different 428 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 2: place where perhaps a person died, or where a tragedy occurred, 429 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: or where their greatest memory, their strongest memory was. It 430 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: would be like where they are physically in space and time, 431 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: so you kind of have to take that as that's 432 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: what happened. Then you have to take well, this spirit, 433 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, when it was disturbed by the headstone 434 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: getting knocked over, chose to basically follow these kids or 435 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: one of the two kids throughout life to then one 436 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: day be at least seen in some way by the 437 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: significant other of this person. I don't know. That's a 438 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: lot for me, but I can totally see, Chris, why 439 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: you're into paranormal and you know, these kinds of things 440 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: because that having that happened to you, or having someone 441 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 2: tell that to you, right, and then rediscovering this thing 442 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: you did in the past, that's God. I can totally 443 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: imagine why the hairs stood up. 444 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: And nobody has proved that these things don't exist. That's 445 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: the flip side of the coin that people don't mention. 446 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 3: And I don't know if there's an answer to like 447 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: can someone be a medium or like is wiccan practice? 448 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: Does it work? Quote unquote like like a lot of 449 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: it is all about what you said, Ben about intent, 450 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: and like what does it mean to you and how 451 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 3: how do you use it in your in practice? You 452 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: know in ways that like help you with your It's 453 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: the same as religion. To me. I have some people 454 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: that are very close to me in my life who 455 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: consider themselves to be witches. And it's a thing, you know, 456 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: and it is all about the belief. 457 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: You know. 458 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: My cynical side sometimes does a little bit of an 459 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 3: internal eye roll occasionally, but then I sort of have 460 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: to slap myself back out of that, you know, high 461 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: horse to be frank, because it's about what this person believes. 462 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: It's not about what I believe. I don't know if 463 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 3: I believe in like spells or in things working to 464 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: malevolently people or positively. But it's about intent and it's 465 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: about in the same way we're talking about vibes. It's 466 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: about putting acts out into the world, and it's about 467 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 3: how those acts connect with other people, whether they know 468 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: it or not. I don't know. It's a lot to unpack, 469 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: it really is, but I do find it fascinating and 470 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: I think it all boils down to belief and intent. 471 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, well said. There's also there's also Chris an episode 472 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: we did not specifically on wicked beliefs, but on the 473 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 4: concept of witchcraft. They're not one, but several wherein we 474 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: were fortunate enough to speak with some friends who are 475 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 4: practicing practitioners of bevy of those belief systems, and please 476 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 4: do check that out. Also, at the risk of sounding 477 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 4: sounding cliche in here, it is very true that you 478 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: are you are not alone in these experiences, Donny. People 479 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: have contacted us over the years on a regular basis 480 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: and they're saying, you know, they're saying very similar things. 481 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 4: I have encountered something that I cannot explain right, and 482 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: I am looking for a way to understand it. And 483 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: this is just my personal stance. I believe it is 484 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 4: tremendously unhelpful for folks to automatically dismiss another person's experience 485 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 4: that way, right, because we're not that person, and we're 486 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: not and that's something we you know, I'm very happy 487 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 4: that we never do this on the show, and we 488 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 4: never also, to be clear, our track record of conclusively 489 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 4: explaining some of this stuff, it's not that great because 490 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: no one could do it for thousands of years people 491 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: have tried. 492 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: I also think the impulse to immediately want to debunk 493 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: something that someone is passionate about is a little weird. 494 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: It's kind is not cool. It's like the actually guy. 495 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's just like, who cares? Are they hurting you? 496 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: If they're hurting you and and they're like really forcing 497 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: something upon you, then okay, game on. But if they're 498 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: just doing their thing and it's just a belief and 499 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: it makes them happy or it makes them feel some agency, 500 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: some sense of agency in this chaotic world of ours, 501 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 3: why would your initial reaction be to try to convince 502 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: them that it's bolted. That just seems really rude at 503 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: the very least, and megala maniacal and kind of sociopathic 504 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: at the most. 505 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 4: Also, those actions can often come from someone's own personal 506 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 4: trauma that they have fully export. So sometimes when people 507 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: are being gross to you, it's because something happened to 508 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 4: them yourself. 509 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: We're just asking you to check yourself, like think about that, 510 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: you know, Like we've all been through trauma, you know. 511 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 3: But it's it's important to have a little bit of 512 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: a semblance of self awareness when you're interacting with other people. 513 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: And if you can do that and take a look 514 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: at yourself, maybe it'll cause you to not do that. 515 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: Maybe you'll have more friends. 516 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: Well, hey, that was Chris's story. Let us know what 517 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: you think about it. Chris. If you got anything else 518 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: to say let us know, or anything to add to it, 519 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: you can always reach us one A three to three 520 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: STDWYTK Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We'll be right back 521 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: with more listener meal. 522 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: And we're back with one last piece of correspondence from you, Yes, you, 523 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: This one comes from Nemesis, and I'm not going to 524 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: read this. There's some really nice, lovely complimentary gushing about 525 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: the show at the top, but I'm going to leave 526 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: that out lest we sound to self aggrandizing. But I 527 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: do love the the intro here the salutation dear esteemed gentlemen, 528 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: Gods of podcasting and champions of conspiracy. Apologies if this 529 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: has already been covered on a previous episode, as I've 530 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: only just started working my way in time on your 531 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: back catalog. In the last I've noticed ever increasing attempts 532 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: by Google to gain access to my data by requesting 533 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: that I log onto websites using my Google credentials rather 534 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: than the websites existing username password system. Websites forums that 535 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: I have used for years have suddenly logged me out 536 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: and up pops a Google prompt hinting that it will 537 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: be so much easier to never have to remember multiple 538 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 3: passwords and user names and just use Google for everything. 539 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: As far as I can remember, this first happened on eBay, 540 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: but it has happened on multiple others. I'm well aware 541 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: of many websites giving you the option to use existing 542 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: social media credentials when creating a new account, but this 543 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: is the first time that I've seen one using an 544 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 3: attempted aggressive takeover. I assume that Google must be offering 545 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: the websites a fee for allowing the access, which implies 546 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 3: the websites are complicit in the process. My thoughts are 547 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: that this is a reaction to the initiative started by 548 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: Apple when they stopped background app tracking slash tracing via 549 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: an iOS update, where you had to opt into being 550 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: tracked in the background, and since most didn't realize they 551 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: were being tracked, opted out. I read that this had 552 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 3: an immediate effect on the quote value of private data 553 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: being quote stolen. This restriction and the chains to the 554 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: more widespread use of ad blockers and VPNs means that 555 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: previously freely available data streams and hence revenue, have been closed. 556 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: The reaction to the loss of covert acquisition was the 557 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: more direct approach of offering you a service so uninformed 558 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 3: majority grant them direct access back to the data that 559 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: had just been blocked. In the UK, at least, TV 560 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 3: Google adverts had been broadcast with a young man extolling 561 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: the virtue of the latest Google phone, with the line, 562 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 3: while you already use Google for mail, maps, searching, browsing, smartphones, etc. 563 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: Why not get a Google phone and complete your indoctrination. 564 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: I added the last word winky face emoji. Your thoughts. 565 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: I am happy for this email to be broadcast if 566 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: deemed interesting enough. Well, it has been deemed best regards Nemesis. 567 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. This is just kind of like a 568 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 3: roundtable here, fellas. Like I've certainly seen Facebook doing this. 569 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 3: Apple definitely does this. There are certain apps or websites 570 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 3: that all of a sudden will let you log in 571 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 3: using your Apple thing. And it gets confusing because I'll 572 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 3: go to one that I'm pretty sure I've already made 573 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 3: an account on, but I've forgotten what the account is, 574 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 3: and then I'll do the Apple version of it. Then 575 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I have like this weird, redundant 576 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: account that's linked to Apple, and then like all my 577 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 3: stuff from the account that I already created isn't there, 578 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: And it's just God, it's a mess. Yea, all the 579 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: Internet is a mess. It's become a real trash heap. 580 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: What do you guys think about this? Because all of 581 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 3: these things that were just so easily accessible to Google, 582 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 3: they were the king of the mountain. Now they're not 583 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: so much anymore, and so they're having to like find 584 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: little back doors into getting this data. 585 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 5: Now. 586 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 587 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: Really popular ten twelve years ago to sign in to 588 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: like various places is with your you know, as a 589 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: single sign in with one social media thing. It was 590 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 2: usually Facebook, I think. 591 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 3: But it's back though, Man, I'm seeing it all over 592 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: the place. 593 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, please, Well it's definitely returned in force, and 594 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: it does feel like a reaction to to some of 595 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 2: the tightening, the privacy tightening that's happening all over the place. 596 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: But I you know, I don't have anything to directly 597 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: point to that. 598 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, when you agree to do it, there's 599 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: a lot of fine print that you probably should read 600 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 3: that many people aren't. And that fine print basically says 601 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: that when you log in using that social media account, 602 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 3: the website that you're accessing has access to that. I 603 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: always assumed it was to benefit the website or the 604 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: other service rather than benefiting Google. But I guess it's 605 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: a two way street. 606 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know if you guys have been 607 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: getting these messages. If I access Gmail on any browser 608 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: or in any other way outside of an official Google 609 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: app or Chrome, it gives you a pop up message 610 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 2: that says basically like, you should be using this on 611 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 2: Google Chrome. Click here and you can do it right now, 612 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: go and switch over to Google Chrome. Do it now 613 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: on Google Chrome, which. 614 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 3: Is you know ful first of all, yeah, yeah, that's. 615 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 2: A mouthful, but just the concept of they want you 616 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: on their platform as well, not only using their services, 617 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: but do it on their platform because they've got stuff 618 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: built in they you know, they can track for their 619 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 2: own purposes. 620 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 3: What do you think then? 621 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 4: It's absolutely true, Nemesis. The the things that you're looking 622 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 4: at are not occurring in a vacuum. What Matt and 623 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 4: Miller describing here has accelerated and will continue to accelerate 624 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 4: in the future. Talking a little bit about this off air, 625 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 4: the age of privacy in the modern sense is a 626 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: short lived historical fad. The Internet will not retain the 627 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 4: illusor the illusion of anonymity for much longer. The data 628 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 4: that you generate by your movements, including your psychological movements, 629 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 4: are valuable in an aggregate form to these private entities 630 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 4: that simply are too new to be effectively regulated by 631 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 4: old school legislation. Now, why is every place insisting on 632 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 4: a sandbox? Why does every large company of this sort 633 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 4: want to be the doorway that you have to walk 634 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 4: through to access the wider web. Well, it's because right 635 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 4: now there are a lot of big players, but there's 636 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 4: not a single there's not a single ring to rule 637 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 4: them all. 638 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 3: Yet. 639 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 4: That's what the race is about. It's an arms race 640 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 4: for data, and it's an arms race for control of 641 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 4: the door. And you're going to see it like it's 642 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 4: going to be related to things like sesame credit. We 643 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 4: called it. That started as opt in. Now it's very 644 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 4: much can't opt out. And what we're seeing is history 645 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 4: being made in real time. It's just going to continue. 646 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 4: There's not a way to stop it. 647 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 3: Well, it's the idea of the Internet, you know, initially 648 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: the open Internet, like the pipes of the Internet being 649 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 3: content agnostic, meaning that like whatever flowing through the Internet, 650 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 3: you can't throttle it or like mess with it, depending 651 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: on what it is, like, nobody gets a better deal necessarily. 652 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: So this is like different megaith megalithic providers or services 653 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 3: that are essentially becoming the largest, you know, sources of 654 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: traffic on the Internet, trying to become that thing right 655 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 3: and to be able to like police you and control, 656 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 3: maybe not control you, but the very least have access 657 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 3: to like everything that you're putting out there, you know, 658 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 3: whether it be your data, whether it be you know, 659 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 3: how you do commerce, because a lot of these platforms 660 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 3: also offer like e commerce solutions and like you know, 661 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: and and I don't know this for a fact, but 662 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: I have a feeling that a lot of these like 663 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: pay later services, they're probably owned by a company that 664 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: has interests in all of these particular you know, platforms, 665 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 3: and they're pushing one over the other for a very 666 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 3: self serving reason. So I mean, it's like all of 667 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 3: this is to try to like push back the hands 668 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 3: of time on the idea of open internet. To me, 669 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: maybe I'm like overthinking it or like overstating it, oversimplifying, 670 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 3: but that's how it feels. That's why I just said 671 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 3: the Internet's a mess, like with you know, it's just 672 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 3: not what it used to be. I hate to be that, 673 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: like you know, Boomer saying things used to be better 674 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 3: or whatever. But it's getting so cluttered. The same with 675 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: like the streaming wars or we don't know what service 676 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 3: a certain show is on. This is bouncing all over 677 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 3: the place, and like everyone is just vying for supremacy 678 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 3: and in doing so, diluting everything. Like everybody is so 679 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: fed up with all this stuff. 680 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 4: Right, I don't know. No, Yeah, I agree. I tend 681 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 4: to agree with that. There's also there's a larger existential 682 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 4: threat here, nemesis, and it's one one that keeps me 683 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 4: up sometimes. Which is which is the following? And I 684 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 4: think we've talked about it a little bit previously on 685 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 4: the show. And the best comparison is an OS update right, 686 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 4: planned obsolescence of your favorite overpriced gadget, right, which isn't 687 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 4: proven exactly, it is proven, it's been proven, and it's 688 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 4: under the guise of like they learned the lesson from 689 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 4: the Phoebus cartel, so now it's under the guise of 690 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 4: maximizing performance. Right, that's why we're slowly bricking your late 691 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 4: model iPhone. But this is useful as an analogy because 692 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 4: I posit to you that the human brain, the operating system, 693 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 4: and the hardware of the human brain, wasn't prepared for television, 694 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 4: much less social media, much less the Internet. Human species 695 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 4: is running into a technological limit and may not have 696 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 4: the cognitive hardware to interact with this technology in a productive, 697 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 4: non harmful way. But to your point, Noel, turning back 698 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 4: the clock there, screwing the lid back on Pandora's jar 699 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 4: is a herculean, if not impossible effort, and you're gonna 700 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 4: see the erosion of privacy continue, Nemesis. What's going to 701 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 4: happen unless there is a catastrophic event. What's going to 702 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 4: happen is that in successive generations, after a couple of 703 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 4: backlash reactions to this kind of invasion, successive generations are 704 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 4: going to grow up with this id that never leaves 705 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, the online version of your 706 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 4: social Security number, a unique identifier, and that will follow 707 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 4: them like a shadow all the days of their digital lives. 708 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's only one step removed from the way 709 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 3: things already are been. I mean, like my kid and 710 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 3: her cohort, they have no illusions of privacy, like I mean, well, okay, 711 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 3: they you know, they try to. They try to control 712 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 3: it in as much as they can and keep their 713 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 3: Internet interneting to a certain close knit thing. It is 714 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 3: the reason that things like Isstagram stories for close friends 715 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 3: as a thing, right. But they also have no illusions 716 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 3: that like this stuff is out there and it's not 717 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 3: causing them to like shrink away in horror and like 718 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 3: not put anything out there because it's so fun and 719 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 3: it's literally how they do business, it's how they make friends, 720 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 3: it's how they do all of this stuff. So yeah, 721 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: they don't have any illusions of this. And honestly, for them, 722 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 3: they don't know what a social Security card is or 723 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 3: it ideas or whatever. For them to all of a 724 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 3: sudden be told, yeah, this is also on the Internet forever, 725 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 3: they'd be like, cool, can I keep looking at TikTok? 726 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 3: All right? Cool, I'm good. I don't care. Like I 727 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 3: think there's a that generation doesn't care. And I would 728 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 3: argue in certain ways, it doesn't matter because that stuff 729 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 3: can be found, it can be hacked, it can be stolen, 730 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 3: So why not just have it out there. I don't know, 731 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm being nihilistic, And maybe flippant. But seeing 732 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: my kid in the way she lives her life on 733 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 3: the Internet, it's different than the way we grew up 734 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 3: because we came into internet one point oh, already kind 735 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 3: of grown, you know what I mean. Like, I think 736 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 3: we probably all had AOL and stuff when we were 737 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 3: like in our late teens, and then DSL modems didn't 738 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 3: come out until we were in our late teens early 739 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 3: twenties maybe, and we had to kind of adapt, you know, 740 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 3: we were sort of like standing astride to eras of 741 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 3: this stuff. These kids are growing up with it at 742 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 3: its like peak, you know, and now it's like it's 743 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 3: this whole shuffle, you know. I don't know, it's just 744 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 3: very interesting. It fascinates me. It scares me, but it 745 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 3: also fascinates me. But I'm also like, I think in 746 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 3: the way we were talking about showing gorillas TikTok videos 747 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 3: and how that like you could like screw up their brains, 748 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 3: gorillas are designed to work in a very old school model. 749 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 3: When I say old school, I just mean a primal 750 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 3: model of like, you know, how they interact. Our kids 751 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 3: are growing up with a completely different model. So it's true, 752 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 3: I think if they're smart about it. It's not wrecking 753 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 3: their brains, it's changing their brains. But I don't think 754 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 3: that means they're all totally they're adapting, you know, you 755 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 3: have to adapt because this does not going away. 756 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not ft because of that, They're ft because 757 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 2: of the planet's dying. 758 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 3: Oh there you going and think the show with me 759 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 3: wanting to jump off a pier. Sorry for Jesus. So 760 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 3: you're right, man, where we're focusing on that, we're asking 761 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 3: the wrong questions. Should we be showing gorillas TikTok videos? Yeah? 762 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 3: The real genie that's out of the bottel isn't a 763 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 3: technological one. It's a existential you know, like actual facts 764 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 3: one to quote Lauren vocal Boon. 765 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 4: Also, it's important to realize that if you're hearing this, 766 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 4: you have agency. Your personal decisions do matter, right, and 767 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 4: we're very glad you're here. It is easy, of course, 768 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 4: for us to fall into nihilism. It is dangerously, delightfully 769 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 4: easy to practice optimistic nihilism. Nothing matters, Everything's going to 770 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 4: be okay. But we cannot remove ourselves from the equation, folks. 771 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 4: And this doesn't mean that you're gonna end up being 772 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 4: the future version of a boomer saying, back in my day, 773 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 4: we're had to use our hands to touch buttons to 774 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 4: talk to the internet. 775 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 3: And destined for that fate unfortunately, I. 776 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 4: Mean, but it doesn't have to be curmudgeonly nor cantankerous. 777 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 4: The future is as exciting as it is terrified, and 778 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 4: there are amazing things on the way. So please, please, 779 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 4: please do your best to stick around. 780 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 3: And do your best to reach out to us via 781 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 3: the Internet. Yeah, because that's the way. 782 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 4: The rumors are true. You can find us all over 783 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 4: this early version of the Internet, and they're still more 784 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 4: than one door to walk through to reach us. We're 785 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 4: talking Instagram, we're talking TikTok, we're talking Friends to, We're 786 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 4: talking Pinterest, we're talking Farmers Only. We're talking for Square. 787 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 4: Remember for Square, Back before people were a little more 788 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 4: cognizant of the dangers. They were like, I do want 789 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 4: people to know, when I'm not at home, exactly what 790 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 4: it was where I'm at. 791 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 3: I thought four screw was like a restaurant y kind 792 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 3: of thing. It was sort of like about reviewing places. 793 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 3: But I guess it was geo. Yeah, tagged that was 794 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 3: the whole deal, wasn't it. 795 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you could become like the mayor of 796 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 4: a certain place. Anyway, you can find us all over there. 797 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 4: We still keep our venerable YouTube channel up. You can 798 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 4: see some of the I think objectively really good work 799 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 4: we've done there. And if this internet conversation, these conversations 800 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 4: about big data have put the capital F fear into 801 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 4: you and you prefer to go a little more old school, 802 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 4: there are two other ways you can always contact us. 803 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 3: That's right. You can give us a telephone call and 804 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 3: you might hear your voice if you give us permission 805 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,479 Speaker 3: on one of these weekly listener mail episodes. Our number 806 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 3: is one eight three three syk. 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