1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to post friend High. Today is a very 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: exciting day because I am here with Julianne. Huh. Julianne 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: is an award winning dancer, singer, actress, entrepreneur, author from 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Gracing Our Screens on Dancing with the Stars, starring in Footloose, 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Rock of Ages, Safe Haven, and so many more things. Wow, 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: you have truly done it all and we are currently 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: sitting here in Julianne's Kinergy studio. How are you? How 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: is the run for you? 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean it was great. I was with you, we 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: were talking. 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: We were talking about our bob haircuts, so that's all 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: I care about. 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: But we just thought Julian's bob haircut is literally perfect 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: right now. And I love You've rocked every hairstyle, but 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm loving the short hair. 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: You know what I always say that like hair is 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: like my outward expression of what I'm going and like 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: going through internally. 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: What are you going through internally right now? 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: Internally? Freedom? 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: That's why it's as short as possible and sassy and 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: free like that is. 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: That's definitely that's the era. 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: I love it. 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: I love it too well. 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Our run was a short burst today. We was we 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: ran approximately two la blocks, but it was just enough 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: to get our post frum high going. And then we 30 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: hit a few dance mooths, which was really fun. 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and I will tell you right now, I won't 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: be able to sit still while we're sitting here. I 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: will be in seven different positions by the time this podcast. 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: We're on a yoga map. So you do it ever. 35 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: Full downward dogget. 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: No. I'm obsessed with Julian's energy. Like as soon as 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: she got here, she was like doing this salsa move. 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: It was amazing. It's like those guys that do jiu jitsu, 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: where everywhere you go they're just like made a conversation. 40 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: Moving and yeah, that's me. I'm just fully just and 41 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: every conversation that it's perfect. 42 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Okay, talk to us about Kinergy. We're here in your studio. 43 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: What is Kinergy? When did you start it? And how 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: did this amazing studio come to be? 45 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: So the first thing is, first, anywhere I have ever 46 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: gone for the last fifteen years or seventeen now that 47 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: I've been on Dancing with the Stars that long, the 48 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: number one question I get asked from anyone around the 49 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: world is when are they going to do dancing with 50 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: Stars for the regular people. And I'm like, well, first 51 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: of all, nobody is regular. Everybody is special and amazing, 52 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: But why do you want to do dancing with Stars? 53 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: I was like, is it because you want to do 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: apasitoblay or like They're like no, no, no, I just 55 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: I want to learn how to dance, like I used 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: to dance when I was a kid and I haven't since. 57 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: Or I feel like when I watch the celebrities, I 58 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: just feel confident again, and like I also want to 59 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: lose weight and get into that dancer body. So I 60 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: was like, how do I how do I transfer the 61 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: like ten weeks of transformation because it's a dance show, 62 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: but it's really a transformation show, And so I was like, 63 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: how do I take ten weeks and put it in 64 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: like a forty five minute class? And So through everything 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: that I've done in my life, it's all been through dance. 66 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: It's through the lens of dance, it's through the lens 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: of transformation. And I realized, like dance is also so healing, 68 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: and so I kind of just took everything that I 69 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: had gathered throughout my whole life dance, healing, transformation, and 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I just like was like ding. 71 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: This modality came to fruition and that's what k energy is. 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: So it's a forty five minute class that when you 73 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: first come in, you don't have to dance at all. 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: It's supposed to not be intimidating. It's our whole mantras. 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: It's not about perfection, it's about expression. So when you 76 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: come in, you know, people are a little like nervous 77 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: to start, and by the end, I mean they're laughing 78 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: and crying and hugging and connecting. And that's the experience 79 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: that you get on Dancing with the Stars. It becomes 80 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: a family. And I think that's the essence people feel 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: when they're watching the show is I get to transform 82 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: my body, I get to learn how to dance, I 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: feel confident, and I have this new family. That's why 84 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars just lasts as long as it 85 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: has is because of that like key formula. 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: So that's what kinergy is. 87 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: But for the average person who just wants to connect 88 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: to themselves, relate to people around them, and then just 89 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: experience the world. 90 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: I can definitely see that the fandom of Dancing with 91 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the Stars runs so deep and I feel like I 92 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: have connected with Dancing with Stars with the Stars in 93 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: a whole new way literally through TikTok Oh my god, 94 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: and just seeing them post their lives, all the celebrities 95 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: and the pros that are partnered up together post their 96 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: lives and then really like a reality show almost Oh 97 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: you these social media platforms and it's wild. 98 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you should do Dancing with the Stars. M that 99 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: would be amazing. 100 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: That would be a true transformation after what we just 101 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: witnessed on the running show. I love it. Yeah. 102 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: Hey, but that's the whole point, right, Like even the 103 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: dancers that go on the show, or the celebrities that 104 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: go on the show that aren't necessarily the best quote 105 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: unquote best, it's about the energy and the commitment that 106 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: they put into it and the vulnerability that they share. 107 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: That's what people fall in love with. That's who they 108 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: want to root for. 109 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, you've been dancing your whole life, 110 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: Like to now have a studio class that resembles the 111 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: work that, of course you've been doing with Dancing with 112 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: the Stars for the past seventeen years, but also the 113 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: work that you've been doing your entire life training. It 114 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: is so amazing, and I'm sure as an athlete it's 115 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: cool to be able to express yourself and the workouts 116 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that you love to do and now be able to 117 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: give them to a broader range of people. 118 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: That's the key, is like taking everything that I've learned 119 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: in my life and being able to share that. I 120 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: think I'm in that stage of my life now, which 121 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: is like I definitely tried a bunch of different things, 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: and it was about my own self expression, my own transformation. 123 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: But now it's about how can I pass this on 124 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: to other people and share the joys that it is 125 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: brought to my life as well as even just in 126 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: dance in general, like the next generation of dancers, you know, 127 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: Like that's that's the thing that I'm the most excited 128 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: about in this phase of life. 129 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Now. What is your relationship to fitness? 130 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: Ah, that is a very good question. 131 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it's so funny the word fitness feels it 132 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: feels like a thing. 133 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: I think. 134 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: For me, I'm just active. I think when I move 135 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: my body, I feel better. When I am dancing, I 136 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: feel better. When I work out, I feel better. But 137 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what it is. I'm going to go 138 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: snowboarding this weekend or go surfing. Like, just being connected 139 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: to my body is probably the greatest gift that I 140 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: think I learned at such an early age, and I 141 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: always think of it it's like out of your head 142 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: and into your body because we can get so focused 143 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: on like all the things that we have to do. 144 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: My whole mantra is like, get out of your head 145 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: and into your body, because your body, it actually is 146 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: your language, and if you allow your body to speak 147 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: for you, like it doesn't lie. I don't know if 148 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: you've ever felt this when you're like on the train 149 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: right in New York and you're like, I can feel 150 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: somebody looking at me, and you can feel it, you know, 151 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: like your body doesn't lie. 152 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: You feel things right. 153 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: And when I think a lot of the times when 154 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 3: you're not to your body, you're not sensing the world 155 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: around you. You can kind of be locked into your 156 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: head and trying to just like willpower things versus like 157 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: really feel it. 158 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: I completely relate to that with running too. I feel 159 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: like so much of movement for me, and what we 160 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: talk about a lot on this show is movement for 161 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: me really is all about the feel good nature of it. 162 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: And I agree, it's like I've been active since I 163 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: was so young that working out in fitness is more 164 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: about living just an active lifestyle. 165 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: I think so too. 166 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that it's interesting I 167 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: was listening to one of my mentors talk and then 168 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: just like over the years, just like the research of 169 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: like the science and how it's connected, I geek out 170 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: on all of that. But like inflammation, so like, it 171 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: doesn't matter how hard you work out to like lose 172 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: the inflammation and stuff like that. If you're not emotionally 173 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: connected or feeling like you're releasing that energy or crying 174 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: or get you know, working on the other stuff, you're 175 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: gonna be inflamed. 176 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how hard you work out, you know. 177 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: And that's and that's sort of like I think the 178 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: testament to what you were just saying, which is like 179 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: just being active for how it feels versus how it 180 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: looks is all the is totally what the kinergy philosophy is. 181 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 2: It's like, it's about how you feel. 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: It's not about what you look like that's just the 183 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: result and the plus and the cherry on top. 184 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: But it's all about the connection to feeling first. 185 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I agree. Okay, let's back up a little bit, because 186 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: you said a little bit about how you've been active 187 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: your whole life. Tell us a little bit about your childhood. 188 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: You grew up in Utah. You're one of five, which 189 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: is wild. I mean, what is it like a growing 190 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: up in a household with five kids. 191 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: I was the observer. So you're the youngest too, right, Yeah, 192 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: I'm the baby of five. And actually my mom had 193 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: a miscarriage right before me, so I just learned this. 194 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: I was like the rainbow baby. So I was like, oh, 195 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: I feel so special. 196 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: Also, your mom has to be a saint raising five kids, right, I. 197 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: Mean, she's amazing. But yeah, I was just the observer. 198 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: Like I watched my three older sisters and then my 199 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: older other and I wanted to be just like them. 200 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to be included in everything that they were doing. 201 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: And then I ended up moving out of my house 202 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: when I was like nine, lived with Russian family first, 203 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: and then at ten, my brother and I moved to 204 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: London and we were there, so it was kind of 205 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: an interesting thing. It was like I was really close 206 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: with my family and then there was almost like this 207 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: separation and even with my older sisters, like we kind 208 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: of separated for a little while, and now that I'm 209 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: an adult, I mean I've like reconnected with my sisters 210 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: in like such a fun way, whereas like my brother 211 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: and I have always been like this. But again, as 212 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: an adult, I like got to like reconnect with my sisters. 213 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: And they were quite a bit older than me too, 214 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 3: so I think now at our age, it's like it's 215 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: easier to connect now to. 216 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing better than this sibling dynamic. When did 217 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: you start dancing? And was it your siblings that were 218 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: your early role models for dance, because of course Derek 219 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: is also a dancer, but were your sister's dancers. 220 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: So my oldest sister, Shari, she was she was a 221 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: ballet dancer and was like so serious about it, and 222 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 3: then we all just like went to her lessons because 223 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: my mom would drive the big red van that was 224 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: like known as big Red and we would, you know, 225 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 3: like have Wendy's in the backseat, and like I was 226 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: too young to take any of the classes, but I 227 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: was watching and so I knew every like lyric to 228 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: every song that they were singing. I knew every dance move, 229 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: and I was just again an observer and I would 230 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: just watch and so yeah, and then we would come 231 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: home and they'd practice and I'd be like, watch, I 232 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 3: can do it. 233 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: Too, so cute. 234 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: And when did you first start start taking dance classes? 235 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: Like how was were you? 236 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean it was like the first the first class 237 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: was like I ever took was in my neighbor's basement 238 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: and like they had like a cute little ballet bar 239 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: with like all the little girls. I think it was 240 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: probably three and then I really started though, at like 241 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: six seven years old. And it's one of those studios 242 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: in Utah that's probably one of the most iconic studios. 243 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: It's called Center Stage, and it's where probably eighty percent 244 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: of the dancers that you see on Dancing with a 245 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: Stofe came from. 246 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say so. I interviewed with a couple 247 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: people from Dancing with the Stars, Derek being one of them, 248 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: and then also Ezra, and I did not know that 249 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: so many of the pros and people on Dancing with 250 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: the Stars come from Utah. And I'm like, what is 251 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: in the water in Utah that's making all these incredible dancers. 252 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 3: It's literally there is something in the water. I don't know, 253 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: it's like the Mormon something. I don't know, but it's 254 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: kind of funny too. My grandparents were ballroom dancers. My 255 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: parents also met in college on the ballroom dance team, 256 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: and then obviously we danced. And in Utah, it's weird. 257 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: It's like ballroom dancing is like it's like the center 258 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: of the United States to go and learn. I think 259 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: BYU has a big program, but I always find it 260 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: so fascinating that it's like the culture of like the 261 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: Mormon culture, the LDS culture, and then like ballroom dancing 262 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: feels like so wide, but it's like for some reason, 263 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: it's like this big culture in Utah. So I remember 264 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: when I came back from London, I was fifteen, and like, 265 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: I would, you know, go back to this studio and 266 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: teach and train some of the younger couples. And that 267 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: was like Whitney and Lindsay and Jenna, and now they're 268 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: like these beautiful mothers like on the show and like 269 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: crushing life and it's just it's pretty cool to see, 270 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: like you sometimes forget the life that you've lived and 271 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 3: I think back sometimes I'm like wow, like I have 272 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: been doing this since I was like coming out of 273 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: the womb, you know, like this has been the through 274 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: line of my life. 275 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: No, you've been doing it for so long, and I mean, 276 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: it's so wild to think too that at ten years 277 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: old you were moving to London to really pursue it 278 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: to another degree. And I'm curious, what is it about 279 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: London and the school that you went to that is 280 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: so good for dance. 281 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: So what's interesting is how I said, like Utah was 282 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: sort of the capital of the United States for dancing, 283 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: London is sort of the capital of the world for 284 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: ballroom dancing. We had dance coaches that used to come 285 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: to our studio in Utah and at the time, they 286 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: were like, why don't you come and train over here 287 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: for a few months and do the biggest competition in 288 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: the world, which is Blackpool. 289 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: But in the center of it is this. 290 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: Like gold encrusted ballroom and it is just like the 291 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: weirdest place to like the seaside resort town with like 292 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: this beautiful ballroom, and like people from all over the 293 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: world come to it. And it was just such a 294 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: vivid memory for me. But we were supposed to stay 295 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: for three months. I ended up saying for five years. 296 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: My brother stayed for almost ten. And yeah, it's I 297 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 3: think maybe just because it's like centrally located, like all 298 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: the Europeans would come in and fly in, and that 299 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: competition was there. But it wasn't actually the school that 300 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: I went to for ballroom dancing. It was the coaches 301 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: that I lived with. And then of course we had 302 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: to go to school, so we went to a performing 303 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: arts school there too. That's where we were singing and 304 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: acting and doing all other styles of dance as well. 305 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Did Derek go out before you? 306 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: He went out for like three months before me. I was. 307 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: I was in Florida with a Russian family dancing. I 308 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: mean that's the part I didn't know about what's happening. Okay, 309 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: go from Utah, so Florida to London. Yeah, what is 310 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: your family thinking? During this time? 311 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: They knew that there was a lot of talent there. 312 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 3: I think that like when you also see other people, 313 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: like our coaches, being like, there's massive talent here. We 314 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: know how to nurture this and grow it. I think 315 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: they saw that as well as you know, they were 316 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: going through a divorce and I think, I mean, I've 317 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: been through a divorce and I know that when you're 318 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: in that state, like you can barely take care of yourself, 319 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: let alone all these kids. And I'm not saying that 320 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: was the case for them, but like there was an opportunity, 321 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: there was an opening where they could take care of 322 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: what they needed to while their kids were having this unbelievable, 323 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: once in a lifetime experience. And so so yeah, so, 324 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: but I know it was really challenging for them. I mean, 325 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: they missed us so much, but then they saw what 326 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: was happening and we wanted to stay. 327 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: And you got to have this incredible experience at such 328 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: a young age. And I feel like it's also your 329 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: parents were, like, you know what, they're really good at this. 330 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: So if London's the place, if Florida's the place, then 331 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: they have to go do their thing. And if you 332 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: had stayed in Utah, do you think you would have 333 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: had the career that you have had today. 334 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: It's hard to say, because I feel like, you know, 335 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: everything is designed, like there's like the invisible thread, right, 336 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: Like everything's kind of like magically happening for you. Not 337 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: that I am like my life is predestined, but I 338 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: kind of feel that way a little bit, like I 339 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: know my energy and I know whatever I would have 340 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: done in my career I would have done it to 341 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: like the highest standard, because that's just innately who I am. 342 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: I also love like interior design, and you can tell 343 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: when you come to my house because I hold everything 344 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: that I do to a high standard of like being 345 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: fully expressed, you know. 346 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: And I think that you're a performer. 347 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I am a performer. 348 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm an artist. 349 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, I just want to like, I love beautiful 350 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: things and creating beautiful experiences. And I actually remember I 351 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: did this like exercise where I had to write a 352 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: hundred things that me happy. It's harder than you think, 353 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: by the way, but you kind of say the same 354 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: things and then you clump them into groups and chunks 355 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: and stuff, and then you whittle it down. And then 356 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: by the time you whittle it down, you think, oh, 357 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 3: there's like a theme here, and it's creating beautiful experiences 358 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: for others is the thing that makes me the happiest. 359 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: And that can be in any form. 360 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: It can be a dinner party with people coming over, 361 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: or it could be teaching somebody to dance. It could 362 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: be having somebody here in energy, or it could be 363 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, doing a movie, and like 364 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: creating beautiful experiences for people, and I love that. 365 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: What I think is so cool about getting to know 366 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: you is you live maybe the busiest life out of 367 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: anybody that I've ever met. And I even said this 368 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: to before. I'm like, I've known you as a dancer 369 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: and an actress, but you also are an entrepreneur, You're 370 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: an author, You've got all these other business she's got 371 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: a wine company. We're not going to talk about it. 372 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: Like you do so much. And you're also so present 373 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: in your life, and I feel like you take so 374 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: much time to like self reflect and do activities like 375 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: that where you can kind of work on yourself and 376 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: get to know yourself. And I think that's so amazing. 377 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: That's thank you. 378 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying that because I think, at the 379 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: end of the day, like don't we all just want 380 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: to be seen? 381 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: So thank you for seeing me. No. Absolutely, have you 382 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: always been like that, like when you were in your 383 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: early twenties, was it ever like, oh my god, I'm 384 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: doing so much. 385 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: A couple of things I remember, like when I look 386 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: back my childhood, I remember being like twelve, and I 387 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: remember these like kids in my school would like come 388 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: up to me for like relationship advice, I'm like, I 389 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: don't know, but for some reason I was able to 390 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: like have a conversation with them and then they could 391 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: share that. I was always fascinated by human behavior and 392 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: psychology and like the why behind everything. So looking back 393 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: and like, oh, there were signals and signs. 394 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I think you're empathetic and you like connecting with people. 395 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: Do yeah, you. 396 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: Really do, and like putting yourself in somebody's shoes. Then 397 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: you know you're not projecting your own stuff onto them. 398 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: But anyway, in my twenties, I think it was really 399 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: interesting because I also look back at my twenties and 400 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, the stars were aligned. I don't take 401 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: that for granted. I worked really really hard as a 402 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: kid and sacrificed a lot. But from like eighteen, when 403 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: I moved out to LA with two thousand dollars, I 404 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: got a lucky break being on Dancing with the Stars, 405 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: and from that I won my first two seasons. I 406 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: released an album and had a number one album and 407 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: like got to do movies, and like, I don't take 408 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 3: for granted the momentum that was happening, Like it was 409 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 3: kind of just going. 410 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: I never felt busy. 411 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: I never felt like overworked because it was it was aligned, 412 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: you know, like I it was just it was energy 413 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: creating more energy. When I was twenty five, I kind 414 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 3: of went more into self reflection and I realized that 415 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: a lot of what I was doing was isolated and 416 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: proving myself. That was like underneath it. I didn't realize 417 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: that a lot of my dreams were being manifested through 418 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: being like watch me, you know. And then once I 419 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 3: kind of realized that, I kind of like started going inwards. 420 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: So like twenty five was when I started like my 421 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: inward journey, and then that was all cognitive like having 422 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 3: more awareness. And then probably around like twenty nine thirty 423 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 3: is when I really started like a deep healing. And 424 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: when that happened, it was like a whole unraveling of 425 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: my life. But what I ended up finding was that again, 426 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: everything that I've done that has led me here through 427 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: my career, whether it be dancing, singing, acting, entrepreneurship, whatever 428 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: it is, it's kind of planted seeds for me to 429 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: be like, wow, like I have so much experience. I 430 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: have life experience in all of these different industries and 431 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 3: how to connect and what people in every one of 432 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: these industries as well as like people who watch want 433 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: to feel and so now because I've kind of done 434 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: it for everyone else, I'm in this stage where I'm like, 435 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 3: what is it that I want to create? And I'm 436 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: realizing more and more it's less about me and it's 437 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: more about like, how can I share what I've learned 438 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: with others and amplify other. 439 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: People's stories and. 440 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: Also use it like through the body, because I believe 441 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: so much in the body, like you do, you know, 442 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: like when you can feel the effects of what like 443 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: the body does, the freedom that you can feel, I mean, 444 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: I guess maybe that's the whole thing. 445 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: I just want everybody to feel free. That's like my 446 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: mission in life. 447 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: Just I want to make you feel free and happy, 448 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: and however that is expressed, go for it. I think 449 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: the body is a huge way to like access it. 450 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think the self reflection has kind 451 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: of come from It's a journey. Like I don't know 452 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: if I was always like that, but I feel like 453 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm right on time. 454 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. And it's so cool knowing too that 455 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: when in your late teens early twenties, when you were 456 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: doing all this amazing stuff winning the first two seasons 457 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: and Dancing with the Stars. Because I think the one 458 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: fascinating thing too that I saw is that when you 459 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: were first offered the role as a pro on Dancing 460 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: with the Stars, you turned it down. What was going 461 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: through your mind when you turned down Dancing with the Stars. 462 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: I think because I had spent my whole you know, 463 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: childhood and teens competing in ballroom and Latin dancing. I 464 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: was a little burnt out because again it was like competitive, 465 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: and I think I lost a little bit of the 466 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 3: like reason I love to do it. And when I 467 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: moved to LA, I really wanted to act and sing 468 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: and I wanted to be taking seriously and give the 469 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 3: same amount of time and effort that I put into 470 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: my day dancing into working on my craft to being 471 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: an actor and a singer. And so I was like, 472 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 3: I don't want to be on a reality show because 473 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a connotation to that that like, 474 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's so different now, but at the time, 475 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, reality show. But it was a 476 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: competition show. So I was like, there is skill, there 477 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: is talent here. So I was like, you know what 478 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to do. I'm going to sign this contract, 479 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: but I'm going to get out of my contract early. 480 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: That's how like headstrong I was. 481 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: And I did, and I ended up doing the show 482 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: for two and a half years, which was five seasons, 483 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: and then I left and did music and films for 484 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: five years, and then I came back as a judge 485 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 3: for two and a half years, which was five seasons. 486 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: And then I left for five years and started companies 487 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: and got married and had like sort of different priorities. 488 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: And now I'm back as a host, and I hope 489 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: that I'm not here for two and a half years. 490 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: I hope I'm here for a lot longer, because again, 491 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: what I was saying before, it was like I was 492 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: trying so many different things, trying to figure out what 493 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: life was, and now I'm like this, this is the 494 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: greatest I don't even want to call it a job, 495 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: like this is the greatest opportunity to do what I 496 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 3: love again, amplify other dancers, share people's stories, and like 497 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: get to be part of this family that has literally 498 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: given me so much. I'm so grateful for the show. 499 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: One of the amazing things too about Dancing with the Stars, 500 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: based on what you just said, is they've given you 501 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: the freedom since you were young, Yeah, to do things 502 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: that you've always wanted to do, like have these incredible 503 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: roles in movies like Footloose and starring in Burdlesque with 504 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera and share. It's so cool that they let 505 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: you kind of have those moments, and then they've always 506 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: been like when you're ready, come back. 507 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: Totally totally. 508 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: I feel so so grateful because that's not always the case. 509 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: And there's been other projects that I've done and things 510 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: that have been good experiences, but nothing like the family 511 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: that has been built and created over the last almost 512 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: twenty years being on this show. 513 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: So it's it's been amazing. 514 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: But again, it kind of goes back, and this is 515 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: kind of the narrative that I'd love to like share 516 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: about dance in general, is just that, you know, I 517 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: think as a young dancer, there's almost this hidden narrative 518 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: that dance being a dancer is not enough. It's almost 519 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: like it's the third tier supporting act and dance. So 520 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: I always felt like, oh, I needed to be an 521 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: actor to have the level of respect or the level 522 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: of like I've made it. Whereas now again, as I've 523 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: gone through all of this exploration dance is the most 524 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: beautiful thing and should absolutely be at the forefront and 525 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: have And I think a lot of dancers feel this 526 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: way because you know, it's so hard to earn a 527 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: living as a dancer, and then if you are a dancer, 528 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: there's a shelf life and you're usually supporting the artist. 529 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 3: But I think what Dancing with the Stars has done, 530 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 3: or my brother and I doing our tours, or we 531 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: started ovation, which is about helping like the next generation 532 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: of dancers grow into like a new pathway. But it's 533 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: like this is hopefully to show that dancers are artistic 534 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: athletes and deserve a seat at the table and you 535 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 3: can have a real career. And I want to hopefully 536 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: add more more opportunity, not me personally, but just amplify 537 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: dance in a way to add more opportunity for dancers 538 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: to be seen and to be at the forefront. And again, 539 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: I have to give so much credit to Dancing with 540 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: the Stars because they have been that platform for so 541 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: many people. And now TikTok is happening and people are dancing, 542 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: But like, what's the next thing that's going to allow 543 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: dance to really be at the forefront like all these 544 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: other beautiful sports and entertainment, and that's like my mission now. 545 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Do you think when you were 546 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: in London and you were attending a performing art school 547 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: and you were, you know, taking acting classes and singing classes, 548 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: do you think it was in that school that you 549 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: almost put dance in your mind as a third tier. 550 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think it was culturally. 551 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: It is a thing in me. 552 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: I think it's a thing in the industry. 553 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 3: I think it was always sort of like that was 554 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: like sort of we're in support of we are we 555 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 3: are the background dancers, backing dancers, you know, like and 556 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 3: I remember like we changed the word from background dancer 557 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: to company dancer because it was and just the association, 558 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: just the language that was used was very much like 559 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: we're behind. And so I really try to be impeccable 560 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: with like my language as well to like continue to 561 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: elevate dance. 562 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: Because you've done so many things and were in so 563 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: many different hats within the industry, and you've done it really. 564 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: To the top level. 565 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Right, What when somebody would ask you, you know, what 566 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: do you do for a living? What would you say? 567 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: Would you say, I'm a dancer. 568 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: I love that you're asking me this question, like I 569 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: need to know, because similarly, this was a whole psychological 570 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: break for me which I finally had this massive breakthrough. 571 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: It was like I would try to say, well, I 572 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: do this, and I do that, and I do this. 573 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: I think I even said it to you on the run. 574 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I do this and I do that. 575 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: What do I do? 576 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: But owning the fact that I'm a dancer like that 577 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: was a big deal for me, and that that is enough. 578 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: Being a dancer is enough, and in fact, it's even 579 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: more than enough. In fact, dancing is healing, Dancing is medicine. 580 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: Dance gives joy to others. Dance is a universal language. 581 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: Dance connects people. Dance allows you to like celebrate life. 582 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: It allows you to express yourself. I mean, dances dances life. 583 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter how well you do it. 584 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: It's not about right or wrong. Dance is just moving 585 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: your body and feeling free. And so, yeah, I'm a dancer. 586 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: She is a dancer. Guys. No, it's amazing and it's 587 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: also so cool too, Like you've been to do so 588 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: many incredible acting roles where I feel like you've been 589 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: able to combine all the things that you love. What 590 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: was it like starring in burlesque? And what was it 591 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: like starring in footloose? Like was that a dream come 592 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: true for you? Because you're able to combine all of 593 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: these things? 594 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like again those like early films that 595 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: I did, And again that's why, like I had to 596 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: change my relationship with dance because dance gave me everything. 597 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: And I see other dancers today that are like, I'm 598 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: so much more look at what else I can do, 599 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, man, if they only just like 600 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: owned being a dancer the way that I didn't just 601 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: fully grasp it when I was younger, Like, they could 602 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: actually do everything that they want to do. They can act, sing, 603 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: they can do all these things. But they're going to 604 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: own it and more opportunities going to come. And I 605 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: think that's the biggest thing that I've learned is I 606 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: tried so many things, but I always came back to dance. 607 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: But I was resisting just owning it. 608 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: Building a personal brand is the hardest thing you can 609 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: possibly do. You don't want a pigeonhole your and you 610 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: don't want the world to be like, oh, this is 611 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: what you are when it's like, well, I can actually 612 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: do all of these other things as well, you know, 613 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: And it's cool knowing that you love interior design and 614 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: you love hosting dinner parties, and like, there's so many 615 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: more things that you love to do. But sometimes within 616 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: a career it's okay to just be niche and do 617 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: this thing that you love, you know what I mean? 618 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: Oh No, I was having at this conversation with one 619 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: of my actor friends. He's him and his wife are 620 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: like my best friends, and he is a massive actor. 621 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: He is an incredible entrepreneur and he's been a producer 622 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: as well, and he was just like, I need to 623 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: get rid of my production company because I'm so busy. 624 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: But the feeling of that I need to be having 625 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: seventeen jobs is so real in life right now because 626 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: we're all like, we're all entrepreneurs and it's amazing and 627 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: we can create our own life and careers. But it's like, 628 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: if you only do one thing, why does that not 629 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: feel like it's enough? And it's like, I mean, I'm 630 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: preaching to the l No, I feel this all the time, 631 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: you know, But it's like and then it's the comparison thing, Oh, well, 632 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: this person's doing this and this and this and this, 633 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: but like, oh, just being a dancer or you know, 634 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: is enough. 635 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: How do you deal with comparison and say, okay, like 636 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to be looking at this right now. 637 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable as I am. 638 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I'm gonna botch this saying, 639 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: but comparison is the thief of joy, you know, And 640 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 3: I think that, like when I continue to remind myself 641 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: that easy phrase, then it reminds me that, like I 642 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: want joy in my life, I don't need to. 643 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: I've competed my whole life. 644 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: I mean that was literally my entire life was to 645 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: compete and to win, even in performing and being an artist, 646 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: Like you're still competing to get the job, to be 647 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: the actor that gets you know, chosen, or that's the 648 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: other thing, Like I want to be chosen. And I 649 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: kind of rephrase, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I get 650 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: to choose. I get to choose, I get to choose 651 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: how I show up. I get to choose if I'm 652 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: comparing myself or not, or I get to choose what 653 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: I put my energy towards. And actually this person over 654 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: here that did beautiful work that actually inspired me versus 655 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: makes me fearful that I can't do it. 656 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: Was there ever a role and maybe you'd be comfortable 657 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: sharing what it is that you auditioned for that you 658 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: were like, I'm dead right for this role, and then 659 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: maybe you didn't get it, and what was your kind 660 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: of mindset around that? How do you deal with rejection? 661 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: It was It was very heartbreaking because and it was 662 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: probably the first time I felt like true failure from 663 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: something that I didn't self sabotage, like I've trust me, 664 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of failures, but but that was 665 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: on me because I pivoted, you know, this one. I 666 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: felt like I did everything that I could. I knew 667 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: I was right for this part. I had, you know, 668 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: even the creative team that were around this project really 669 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: believed in me and wanted this for me as well, 670 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: and the studio just they were like, we won't hire 671 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: her and so, and like everybody fought for me to 672 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: have this role, and I fought really hard. I worked 673 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: on it so hard with an acting coach, and I 674 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: knew I crushed it, and to not be chosen for 675 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: something that I knew it was. 676 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: That was really devastating. 677 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think failure is a 678 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: big part of And I don't mean to say this 679 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: in like the cliche thing like failure is good, but 680 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: I mean it like I had had so many wins 681 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: and and I had had so much like goodness that 682 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: it felt like a big blow that like I didn't 683 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: win this, Like it's like Glinda and Wicked. 684 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: She's like, I didn't get my way. Something's really wrong. 685 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: By the way, you are so glod enough, like I 686 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: am so alpha Barrat now she is so glined. 687 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: I love it, but it was very that but it 688 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: was so important for me. It's so important to learn 689 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 3: how to fail and to still have like belief in 690 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 3: yourself and to not be not be a victim in 691 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: the moment and to like take it and be like, 692 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to take this personally. 693 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: I am going to just say whatever was in the 694 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: cards was not for me. And and in fact, the 695 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: person that did get it I am a huge fan 696 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: of and like she crushed it and deserved to have 697 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: that role. And it was interesting because they found her 698 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: after I had auditioned, so it wasn't like we were 699 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: even competing. But I'm a huge fan of her. And 700 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: what happened from it and I heard this like I 701 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: don't know where I heard it from, but like if 702 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: you believe in God or universe, whatever you believe in, 703 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: but like rejection as God's protection. So it's like I 704 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: would listen to that also and be like, you know what, 705 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 3: who knows what would have happened if that were on 706 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: the case, And I will never know, but I have 707 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: faith that it was putting me in the right position. 708 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: I have faith that maybe even feeling that rejection and 709 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 3: feeling that failure was what I needed in order to 710 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: show my resilience, to show that I am capable of failing. 711 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: But let me fail fast and get back on track. 712 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Was there another opportunity that kind of came up in 713 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: synergy that you then got and you were like, Oh, 714 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: this is what I was supposed to be doing or 715 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: was it a growth period for you? 716 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not sure exactly. 717 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have one of those like cool 718 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: stories that's like I was about to quit the industry 719 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: and then you know, I got the cause. 720 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: I got situations where like I'm supposed to do an 721 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: interview and then like you know, something falls through and 722 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, I'm so upset, Like I was 723 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: so excited, but then an hour later, something else. 724 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: Pops up totally and and you know what, maybe at 725 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: the time I was so far in it that I 726 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 3: couldn't really see what that thing was. But I will 727 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: say that after that, I ended up doing a project 728 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 3: with Dolly Parton, and as I'm sitting here thinking about that, 729 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I am such a relationship person 730 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: and to have had that experience connecting with an icon 731 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: and a legend that has not only created incredible art, 732 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: but her just who she is as a human being. 733 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 3: And I got to spend time with her and she 734 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: got to give me beautiful advice that I'll never forget. 735 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: Wait, what advice did Dolly Parton give you? I need 736 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: to know. I'm obsessed with her. And what was the 737 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: project you guys worked on? Yeah, we can just everybody 738 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: of her is like laughing. 739 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 3: But but you know what, maybe that's what it was, 740 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: and like and I will I will hold on to 741 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 3: that experience with Dolly Parton forever. And I'm a relationship person, 742 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: So maybe that was the reason. But I remember telling 743 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 3: her all of the things that I love to do, 744 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 3: and I was like, I want to do this, and 745 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 3: I want to do that and all these different things, 746 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 3: and she goes, you know, Julian, you sound a lot 747 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: like me, and I see a lot of similarities. And 748 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: she goes, just remember to stay the artist, and she goes, 749 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: I wanted a theme park. Do you think I knew 750 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 3: how to build a theme park? No, but I hired 751 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: people who did and they were smarter than me. But 752 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: in turn, I'm smarter than them because I hired them. 753 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: And so what I took from that was I didn't 754 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: have to do everything. If I'm an artist, Let me 755 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: be an artist. I'm not trying to do operations in 756 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 3: this and marketing and like it's so overwhelming. Like, let 757 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: me do the thing that I am gifted at and 758 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 3: hire the people that are gifted at their job and 759 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: as they become you know, your team and your family, 760 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 3: like you're creating magic together and anything is possible when 761 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: you're trying to do it all by yourself. I mean, 762 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 3: that just is suffering right there. And yet like she is, 763 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 3: she has been able to stay Dolly part in the 764 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 3: Dreamer and look at everything that she's done and like 765 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 3: and her heart and her light and all of that, 766 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: like she she knows what she will and will not compromise, 767 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 3: and what she will and won't tolerate, and yet she 768 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 3: is who she is. And so I just remember thinking 769 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 3: that because I felt very much like, ah, I'm doing 770 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 3: all these things and I'm just like grinding. 771 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 2: She's like, stay the artist. You are an artist. 772 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: No, It's so true, And oh my gosh, getting like 773 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: work ethic advice from somebody like Dolly Parton is so iconic. 774 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, it is so important to make sure, especially 775 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: when you're building a team and building your business and 776 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: your empire and you know you're trying to be a 777 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: leader and do all these things, like you have to 778 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: bring team members in because it is way too much, 779 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: especially when you're doing. 780 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 3: So hard, boring and isolating to do it by yourself. 781 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 3: Like there are so many talented, beautiful people that I 782 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: want to create and collaborate with, and like there's I mean, 783 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 3: I'm a true believer were in Like collaboration is key 784 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 3: and like you get the most magic out of that. 785 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 2: I mean, like my ideas are not the best ideas. 786 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: On the topic of collaboration. When you're a pro on 787 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, you are collaborating with a celebrity. 788 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Who is a celebrity that has surprised you the most 789 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: that's been on the show. Maybe that was your partner 790 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: or as you were hosting or judging you witnessed. 791 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just maybe just because it's so fresh 792 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 3: in my mind, but I was really excited about Joey. 793 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: I was about to make you do a three to 794 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: two to one and say at the same time, honestly 795 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: three Joey truly. 796 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 3: I mean, what I loved so much about him is 797 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 3: that he is a normal guy who like yet like 798 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 3: you can try anything and is good at kind of anything. 799 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm guys, I'm not like this was okay? Were you 800 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: in context here? Really quickly, when we were filming the 801 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: running interview, Jeremy, my fiance, was we were doing the 802 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: dance part and he was like, hat is like good 803 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: at at anything except not dance? And I'm like, Okay. 804 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: The reason he was saying this is because and golfers 805 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: are going to love this right now. I was telling 806 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: Julianne before we started filming, I don't want to sidetrack you. 807 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: I was playing with one of the really the best 808 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: golfers in the world. Crazy to say, John raw the 809 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: other day. It was my first time ever holding a 810 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: golf club. I called it a golf poll when I 811 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: grabbed it, and he was like, it's a club and anyways, 812 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: then he was like this is going to be a disaster. 813 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: And then he was like, I'm really not a good teacher. 814 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's all about the interview. I'll fake it. 815 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: We don't really have to play. I hit every single ball, 816 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: which if you know golf, it's actually really hard to 817 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: hit the ball. And it was every it was like, 818 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: we're going to make the funniest cut out of it 819 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: because I did so well. I made it in in 820 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: seven hits, whatever that means, and he made it in 821 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: five and every single shot. He was like what is 822 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: going on? 823 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: He's like, you're just joking with me this whole time. 824 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pro. We had so many people watching us. 825 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: I was sweating so much on Oh anyways, but and 826 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: then I got to the second hole and it was 827 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: such beginner's luck because then I started indenting the course. 828 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll put that into the video. 829 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: I kind of want to make myself look like a 830 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: rock star because why not. But anyways, I'm not good 831 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: at everything. Okay, I love it. 832 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I relate a little bit because like it's 833 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 3: so funny. My brother too, like he'll try anything. 834 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: I at everything. 835 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 3: He's pretty good at everything except for surfing, and I 836 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: love that. And I and I'm good at surfing and snowboarding, 837 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 3: and he's like he's like he's great at wake surfing, 838 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 3: like wake surfing, but like in the natural elements. 839 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: He's like, huh. 840 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 3: We also call him Grandpa Huff because he's scared of everything. 841 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: And so that. 842 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: Is so bad asking you that you're a good surfer 843 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: and snowboarder. 844 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 3: I love those again. Body yeah, and like anything I 845 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 3: can do with my body I'm good at. And why company, 846 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 3: Well that's true. So so snow League. I actually they 847 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 3: did like a whole new snow league or it's a 848 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: brand new league that he created. And I was like, 849 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 3: you know what, I should do a series kind of 850 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 3: like what you just did with the golfer. But I 851 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 3: was like I was talking to some people on the 852 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: chairlift and it was like I get deep very fast, 853 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 3: clearly hello everyone, and. 854 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: My god, not the chairlift. 855 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh my god, chairlift therapy, like 856 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: we need to have like like is the Top Show, 857 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 3: dancing with the Show on the chairlift, like it was amazing, 858 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 3: so anyway, but I was like, but it's great because 859 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 3: you're in your body, you're doing something athletic. You're putting 860 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 3: yourself in a position to fail, but you try it anyway. 861 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 3: And I think when people are in vulnerable moments, you 862 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 3: get out of your head into your body, like so 863 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 3: much as possible. 864 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: It's like five minute countdown, how much Caul Julian get 865 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: out of this person on me on the anyways? 866 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 2: Okay, I gotta like I was gonna like change position. 867 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: We have talked about so much. So much is going 868 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: on right now we are in this room. Okay, as 869 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: we wrapped it up, knowing what you know, now, what 870 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: would you say to your younger self? 871 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 3: Oh, first of all, I would just I'd grabber and 872 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 3: I just like make her hug me. 873 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 2: Forceful parent. Okay, we're just kidding. No, I would. 874 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 3: I would grab her and I would just like hold 875 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 3: her and just say. 876 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: See, I know Radcliffe will not be your boyfriend, but 877 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: maybe someday. 878 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 2: Exactly how did you know that? That was in my mind? 879 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 1: That was exactly what. 880 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: I was gonna say. 881 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 3: Sorry, continue, but I did see him recently while he 882 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 3: was on Broadway, and he knew the story because. 883 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 2: I've told it a hundred times. He's like, I'm so sorry. 884 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 3: I never got the Beanie baby sidebars. 885 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: So you guys don't know what we're talking about, just 886 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: like look it up, just google it. 887 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 3: Okay, Younger, I'd hugger and I would just say that 888 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 3: obviously you are enough. Being a dancer is enough, but 889 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 3: also you're going to create so much in your life. 890 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 2: Enjoy the ride. 891 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, Julianne, thank you so much for 892 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: being on the show with us today. 893 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 2: Thank you. 894 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: Final shout outs. What do you have coming up? What's 895 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: next for you? And what should we be on the 896 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 1: lookout for. 897 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 3: I don't know, just follow along, I mean all on 898 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 3: the social media and all that, you know, but obviously 899 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 3: coming back to Dancing with the Stars and hosting this 900 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 3: next season, but lots lots of things that kind of 901 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 3: to wrap up what we've been talking about, which is 902 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 3: like owning more of like being a dancer, and you know, 903 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 3: just anything kind of through the lens of dance. Just 904 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: look out anything dance related. I'll be sneaking up and 905 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 3: popping up everywhere. 906 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: If you want to have a potential bump in with Julia. Yeah, 907 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: kind of. 908 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 2: Come to Kindred to k Energy, come take a class. 909 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 3: Also, DM me if you want to dance ants, let's 910 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: like do some collaborations because I love collaborations. 911 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, thanks. 912 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: Well that's a rap and you're the best. Thank you 913 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: so much, Chank you