WEBVTT - How QAnon Took Root in Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions

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<v Speaker 1>came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came,

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<v Speaker 1>but Q and on is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is series two of Q Clearance Podcast, shedding

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<v Speaker 1>light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to be speaking about the confusing world

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<v Speaker 1>of Q and on Japan. That's right, the trump centric

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<v Speaker 1>US online conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories has

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<v Speaker 1>managed to take roots seven thousand miles away in Japan. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have seen Japan in the news recently due

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<v Speaker 1>to the Olympics being hosted there and the protests that

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<v Speaker 1>that has caused. Many people in Japan feel that the

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<v Speaker 1>Olympics will essentially act as a super spreader event for COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Japan has had over fifteen thousand deaths from the virus,

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<v Speaker 1>with almost one million cases in total. Hundreds of Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>citizens have taken to the streets to air their concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about the further spread that the Olympics could cause. However,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of people in Japan, of course, not concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about covid ah. The Japanese Q and Ons, like their

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<v Speaker 1>American counterparts, they believe it's all a hoax and a

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<v Speaker 1>quote scam. DEMI to get an idea of how the

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<v Speaker 1>hell Q and On gained a solid following in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be speaking to Sarah Hightower. You've probably

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<v Speaker 1>heard of her. She's been on the podcast a few

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<v Speaker 1>times and she helps with the research. Sarah is a

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<v Speaker 1>researcher specializing in cults with an incredibly in depth knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of Japanese cults. She's also one of the very best

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On researchers out there, so as you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>she is very well versed in Q and on Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going to explain how this all happened. So Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just explained to us how did Q and on

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<v Speaker 1>managed to kind of make it infest its way into Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's a very America centric thing, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of unusual. Um, maybe give us an idea, give us

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of timeline of how this happened. Yeah, people

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<v Speaker 1>are still shocked when they hear the Japanese Q and

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<v Speaker 1>On it's just like a thing. But around the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>internet over on that side of things, there's varying degrees

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<v Speaker 1>of interest in Q and on since the earliest days

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<v Speaker 1>of Q and on. Now is Q non America centric? Yeah? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the gult of personality centator around this image of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump as an infallible god game. Yeah, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really stupid and it is really American. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not all you and on is. Yeah, pull back

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<v Speaker 1>and look at the bigger picture. What else is Q

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<v Speaker 1>and I? Q and On is an anti Semitic conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories plucked straight out of the Protocols of the Learned

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<v Speaker 1>Elders of Zion. If you don't know what Sarah is

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, their the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a hoaxed anti Semitic text from the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds. It originated in Russia and was eventually taught

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<v Speaker 1>by the Nazi regime in schools as if it were real,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, to demonize the Jewish people. Many parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Q and On conspiracy theory are very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They don't always

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<v Speaker 1>name Jews directly. However, the ideas are often the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and the protocols and these anti Semitic conspiracy theories, they've

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<v Speaker 1>also taken hard at various points throughout Japanese history. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think you wanted the timeline, so let's do that. Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time team rolls around over here, four Chuan

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<v Speaker 1>has already chased given On off the site in Q

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<v Speaker 1>and on made their home over on h Chan, now

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese counterpart to four Chan. At this time, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not to channel anymore, it's five channel now. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>from series one that Q and on first gained prominence

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<v Speaker 1>on the Chan boards to channel five channel. These are

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<v Speaker 1>very similar things, although most of them are just text

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<v Speaker 1>and they exist mostly for the Japanese audience. Whilst all

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<v Speaker 1>of this Q and on stuff was happening on four

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<v Speaker 1>Chan and h Chan and then a con a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it actually started appearing on the two channel and

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<v Speaker 1>five channel boards in Japan as well. I know it's complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a big mess where all of this started,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all points to the channel boards both in

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<v Speaker 1>America and apparently in Japan outside of the channisphere or

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<v Speaker 1>in Happenese Internet. You have the blogger sphere, because blogs

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<v Speaker 1>are still a really huge still in Japan. You have

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<v Speaker 1>these blogs are more in touch with like conspiracy theories, subculture,

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<v Speaker 1>with the people who are just really really way to

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<v Speaker 1>go into it, honestly, so, Sarah said, blogging is still

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<v Speaker 1>a very big thing in Japan. As Q and On

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<v Speaker 1>began to gain traction on the Chan boards, Japanese conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory bloggers transferred that information onto their blogs. The blogs

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<v Speaker 1>spread like wildfire. They've got a lot of things, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually some of Japan's many so called new religious movements

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<v Speaker 1>began to take notice. In short, some cults in Japan

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<v Speaker 1>began posting about Q and On. Quite early on. There

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<v Speaker 1>were blogs that were owned and operated by people who are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, either running cults, are or affiliated the culting movements.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one in particular as a new age a wellness cult.

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<v Speaker 1>It's run out of Hiurussima, and they have three blog

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<v Speaker 1>lugs and one in Japanese like two in English, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're already selling you privacy ship. They also have Haywald

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory newsletters with prophecies and times bullshit. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it all together. These are like some of the

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<v Speaker 1>original pioneers like spreading Q and on, but also showing

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<v Speaker 1>how cu not could be adapted over here on the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese Internet for their domestic audience. So basically, when Q

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<v Speaker 1>and On came out, it was very similar to what

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<v Speaker 1>some of these cults in Japan believe in already doomsday prophecies,

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<v Speaker 1>all different ideas and conspiracy theories fling together to project

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<v Speaker 1>one kind of idea that this specific cult adheers to.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds a lot like Q and on, right, So instead

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<v Speaker 1>of going against Q and on some of these cults,

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<v Speaker 1>is Sarah mentioned just picked up and ran with it

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<v Speaker 1>and said, yeah, this is something we believe in as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a while, but over the years Q and

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<v Speaker 1>on conspiracy theories started to gain traction in Japan because

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<v Speaker 1>of these people that were translating them and putting them

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<v Speaker 1>out on their blogs. So let's go to now people

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<v Speaker 1>who are translating Q and on stuff into Japanese. They're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to give some actual traction. And the biggest one

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<v Speaker 1>is ari Ari's translating all of the Q drops. She's

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<v Speaker 1>translating q map dot pub and she's doing is professional quality.

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<v Speaker 1>So this person Ariy that Sarah is talking about. She

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<v Speaker 1>starts translating Q and On texts into Japanese very professionally.

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<v Speaker 1>They're well done. Everybody can understand them. This gives Air

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<v Speaker 1>some credibility within the global Q and On movement, and

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<v Speaker 1>before you know it, she is then promoted by the

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<v Speaker 1>regular US Q and ON crowd Q and on h

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<v Speaker 1>Q Q and on General Command whatever, the main group

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<v Speaker 1>of people that have helped spread this all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So then Area is getting promoted by them. The circle

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<v Speaker 1>is complete, the networks are made, and Q and On

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<v Speaker 1>starts to grow larger in Japan. So this little movement

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<v Speaker 1>starts to can't call less around Area's propaganda output. Aria's

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<v Speaker 1>little movement would become Q Army Japan Flin. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, Q Army Japan Flynn. This is in regards

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<v Speaker 1>to Mike Flynn, Mike Flynn being one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On proponents in the US, probably in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole world. If you remember. Mike Flynn is a retired U.

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<v Speaker 1>S Army lieutenant general who became the twenty five U

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<v Speaker 1>S National Security Advisor for Trump before he was sacked

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<v Speaker 1>after twenty two days for lying about his connections to

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<v Speaker 1>Russia Q Army Japan. Flynn was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>properly organized Q and On groups two for men a

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<v Speaker 1>following in Japan. Obviously, they have this big allegiance to

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Flynn, who many in the U s q and

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<v Speaker 1>On scene also have an allegiance to. They call him

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<v Speaker 1>the General. You know how it goes coincidentally or maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Flynn was following several Q and on Japan accounts

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter before he was banned from the platform. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the other Q and on groups in Japan, as

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<v Speaker 1>if this wasn't complicated enough, became known as j NN.

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<v Speaker 1>J Anon is a more mainstream friendly, looser collective of

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<v Speaker 1>standard nationalists who buy into a lot of stupid conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theory stuff. But they are balls too well insane rep

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Flynn and saying that the emperor is like

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<v Speaker 1>murdered and replaced the shadow clones in eighteen hundreds and

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<v Speaker 1>there hasn't done a genuine emperor since then. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting here about what Sarah just said is that Q

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<v Speaker 1>and On Japan at first took on the regular U

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<v Speaker 1>s Q and On ideas and conspiracy theories but as

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<v Speaker 1>you just heard, it later began to form in its

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<v Speaker 1>own region specific conspiracies. Take for example, Q and On's

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<v Speaker 1>belief that Joe Biden is a body double and that

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<v Speaker 1>he actually died some time ago. As Sarah just said,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Japanese Q and Ons are incorporating a

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<v Speaker 1>very similar conspiracy theory into their own mythos, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>drawing it from their own culture. Essentially, Q and on

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<v Speaker 1>is the framework, but the followers are creating their own law.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds to me is if Q and On Japan

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<v Speaker 1>is a successful Q and on franchise. What's more, jn

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<v Speaker 1>On was formed within an amalgamation of several different well

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<v Speaker 1>organized cults in Japan. Jann is organized by offshoots of

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<v Speaker 1>the Unification Church that carry around guns the gun needs

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<v Speaker 1>standard Unification Church, Happy Science, Happiness Realization Party offshoots, and

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Fall and Gone. All of those groups mentioned, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, are fairly powerful cults in Japan, or New

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<v Speaker 1>age religious movements as they like to be called. So

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On Japan is still spreading. It's got the

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<v Speaker 1>backing of influential cults, and it feeds off of Q

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<v Speaker 1>and on us to then form its own theories locally.

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<v Speaker 1>So should people in Japan be worried about Q and

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<v Speaker 1>on Japan, Well, it depends as the number of people

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<v Speaker 1>actually involved in it is kind of unknown. Sarah Planes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think in a recent interview air from a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Q Army Japan flin and she said they had around

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<v Speaker 1>like five hundred members, which means they have like five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred members who have signed up to be like an

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<v Speaker 1>actual member member, and they have been vetted and granted

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<v Speaker 1>actual like membership status into an actual group, and they

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<v Speaker 1>meet up at each other's houses and pastile propaganda train stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might hear that and think, Okay, well five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred there's millions of people in Japan, that's not such

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. But just think about what Sarah said.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not just five people that are vaguely interested or

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<v Speaker 1>are reposting the stuff that Airy puts out. That is

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred people that have signed up as start up

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<v Speaker 1>members of Q Army Japan, Flynn. That's a very big

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<v Speaker 1>movement that is connected, has very specific goals, and they

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<v Speaker 1>all go out onto the street and spread the proper ganda,

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<v Speaker 1>meet up at people's houses, talk about this stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just an internet movement anymore. That is five people

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<v Speaker 1>who sound highly motivated by a deeply worrying conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 1>that has already had dieret consequences, as we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the Capital Building storming in January of this year. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully Ariy is lying and there isn't five hundred members,

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<v Speaker 1>but either way, Q Army Japan FLYNN is actually by

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<v Speaker 1>the sounds of it, pretty well organized. And that's just

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<v Speaker 1>one faction and you've got you know, the j and

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<v Speaker 1>on that we discussed, the more magat oriented. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still like really not good ship. I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know how many you got there, but what I do

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<v Speaker 1>know so is that like it doesn't really matter because

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<v Speaker 1>we know it's there and we're seeing it. We know

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<v Speaker 1>there's a Q and UN presence here. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>the cult is here, and it is a destructive cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Destructive cults in Japan have a serious history. Take for example,

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<v Speaker 1>am Shinrikyo, the doomsday cult responsible for the country's largest

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<v Speaker 1>domestic terror attack. Members of am Shinrikyo released Sarah nerv

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<v Speaker 1>gas onto the subways of Tokyo. They killed fourteen people

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<v Speaker 1>in this attack and caused several thousand more serious injury.

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<v Speaker 1>They did this as a means to bring about some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of apocalyptic scenario in Japan, when they believed only

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<v Speaker 1>all members would survive. What's interesting about am shin Rikyo

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<v Speaker 1>is that they had many, many members, They had hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions in cash, and they went on to form

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<v Speaker 1>a global movement. Their ideology, much like Q and On

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<v Speaker 1>tour families apart and ruined relationships is a destructive cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Innocence that it causes lasting psychological, in emotional damage to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who gets drawn in is a destructive cult, and

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<v Speaker 1>sense that it's tearing families apart. And it's a destructive

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<v Speaker 1>cult in the sense that, as we've seen demonstrated multiple occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a prevnsity for racticalization viles. How concerned should we

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<v Speaker 1>be about Q and On Japan. I'm not gonna sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and say I think they could be the next

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that they are similar to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I can say that they're a destructive cult in all

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that own ones. But I also don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to have, you know, multiple murders and

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist attacks on your hand to then be taken seriously

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<v Speaker 1>I think people should be concerned because there is a

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<v Speaker 1>cult that's actively recruiting and hurting people. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>q and On Japan. Born from the radical ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>the more conventional U S q and On crowd, the

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<v Speaker 1>q and On Japan crowd seems to have started franchising

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<v Speaker 1>itself into more radical groups, and some are even organizing

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<v Speaker 1>with proper membership lists and activities for the other q

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<v Speaker 1>and Ons to do. Now, I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully me and Sarah are wrong. Hopefully the comparisons to

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<v Speaker 1>aum Shinrikyo are completely baseless. However, I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>very much worth mentioned in such things in the context

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<v Speaker 1>of a cult building up building steam in Japan, and

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<v Speaker 1>one that specifically caused for violence against people that don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe the same things that they do. Hopefully none of

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<v Speaker 1>this ever turns violent. To get an idea of how

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<v Speaker 1>badly q and On has begun hurting people, hurting families

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<v Speaker 1>all over the world, next week we're going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand from someone who helps families affected by human on.

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<v Speaker 1>In one case, the results of the q and On

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<v Speaker 1>ideology was potentially deadly. Q Clearance is brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by I Heart Radio and Coudata Media. I'm Jake Hanrahan.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find me online at Jake Underscool Hanrahan. That's

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<v Speaker 1>was produced by myself, with fact checking and additional research

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<v Speaker 1>by Sarah Hightower. The music is by Sound Black and

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