1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: nineties six and today the show, I'm joined by mediators 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Janice Proteller to analyze his Wisconsin whitetail bow hunt and 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: to explore ways that all of us can better learn 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: from our hunts and unfilled tags. All right, welcome to 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: X and Tanna show. We've got Janice protell Us with me, 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: and most of you probably know Janice. He's a producer 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: and host and do it all extraordinary over at mediator 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: and a damn good hunter. But most of that hunting 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: over the last two decades has happened out West for 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: big game animals other than white tails. But this year 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: his white tail interest was rekindled as he planned a 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: return trip to a property in Wisconsin that he grew 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: up gun hunting. Now, Janice and I talked a lot 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: leading into this hunt about all sorts of different ideas 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: and strategies. He was listening Wired Hunting podcast and he 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: was pretty pumped to get out there and try a 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: bunch of this crazy white tail stuff that we talked 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: about here, but which he never really had a chance 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: to try back when he was hunting white tails in 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: his teenage days. So very interesting to see a really 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: experienced Western hunter like this come back to the Midwest 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: and and try to explore this different aspect of hunting. 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: And that hunt it happened last month spoiler alert, he 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: did not fill his tag, but he had a great 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: experience and some interesting learning experiences. So today what I 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: want to do was get your Honest on the show 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: to debrief on what happened on that hunt, the challenges 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: he's faced, what went well, what he struggled with trying 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: to take his white tail game to this new level, 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: and and maybe what he was able to learn from 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: all of this too, And that last aspect, that's I 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: think what I'm the very most interested in, which is 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: how can Yannice or you and I better learn from 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: a quote unquote failed hunt, or really any hunt for 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: that matter. How can we learn from a hunt? How 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: can we learn from a hunting season? Um? You know, 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: I know that for some of you listening, maybe that's 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: not something you're worried about. For you, maybe hunting is 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: just an opportunity to relax and have a good time 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: and you don't want to overthink things in that kind 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: of way. You just want to enjoy it. And that's 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: that's absolutely fine and dandy and great. I think you're 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy Janice's story just for the sake of a 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: good hunting story. Um. But I also I also know 50 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of you out there like me, 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: who are driven to just go deeper and deeper into 52 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: this thing and constantly find ways to fine tune what 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: you're doing and take your hunting experience to the next level. 54 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: And so for those of you out there like that, 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: I want to spend some time here today talking about 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: this larger idea of how do we learn from a hunt? 57 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's something we talk about on this podcast 58 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: a lot, but usually pretty generically. You know something some 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: something you gotta learned from your experiences or YadA, YadA, YadA. 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: As long as you learn from a hunt, it wasn't 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: a failure. You've heard me say that kind of stuff, 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: you heard Dan say that kind of stuff. But how 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: do you actually do that and is it really just 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: that easy, as you know, going out there hunting, screwing 65 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: things up or doing something then saying well I learned 66 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: this lesson. I don't think it is that easy, at 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: least from my experience. I think there's more to it 68 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: than that, or at least there can be more to 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: it if we have a little bit of a more 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: thoughtful way of trying to learn from these things. So 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: over the past year so I've been doing a lot 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: of reading and studying about this, in particular, you know, 73 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: studying decision making and how to analyze your decisions and 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: how do you learn from your outcomes? How do you 75 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: how do you come to some kind of clear takeaway 76 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: that you can you know, move forward from. Ah. I 77 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: know this is some some nerdy stuff, um, and it's 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: it's it's usually written about and thought about in the 79 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: context of something like business or war or poker or 80 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: other strategy based activities. But I just see so many 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: parallels to hunting, especially white tail hunting, because white tail 82 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: hunting rights as many of you guys know, it's it's 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: very strategy focused. You know, once you understand the basics 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: of dear biology and behavior and some kind of standard 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: foundational elements of hunting strategy. From there, it all comes 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: down to decision making. Right, what am I going to 87 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: do today based on all this stuff? I know? Do 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: I sit there or there? Do I hunt today or tomorrow? Uh? 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Do I, you know, take this risky move or not? 90 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: And then learning from all those things. So here we 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: are in December, and for a lot of us, probably 92 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: most of us, there's a bunch of hunts in our 93 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: rear view mirror, a bunch of decisions have been made 94 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: and some turned out well, some maybe not so well. 95 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: And the question now is, at least for me, is 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: how do we learn from that? What do we do 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: different next time? What do we do the same next time? 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: What should we be thinking about as we plan our 99 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: next hunt or our next sit or what the hell 100 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna do in one I'm gonna talk about some 101 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: of these things with Janice, and I want to hear 102 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: his thoughts. But before that, I want to lay out 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: some ideas that I want all of us to keep 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: in mind as we listen to you, honest, and that 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you can try to put into action 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: for yourself when all this is over. So, as I mentioned, 107 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: I've been doing a bunch of reading on this UM. 108 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: A couple of the most interesting books on this topic 109 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: were written by a woman named Annie Duke, and she's 110 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: a former professional poker player who has then applied a 111 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: bunch of the decision making strategies and analyzes from poker, 112 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: um and and and taking all that and apply it 113 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: to the business world in other places. So she's got 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: some really interesting ideas. I'm gonna share some quotes and 115 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: ideas from her books UM for reference if you do 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: want to take a look at these. The books are 117 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: one titled Thinking and Bets Making Smarter Decisions when you 118 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: don't have all the facts, and then secondly how to 119 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: Decide Simple Tools for making better decisions. Some good books here. 120 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I definitely recommend them. UM. So let's get into a 121 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: couple of ideas here. I think it's I think it's 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: fair to say that one of the keys to getting 123 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: better after and you know, an unfilled tag or a 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: failed hunt, right, it's it's learning from them. If that's 125 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the case, we need to understand what can help us 126 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: learn from an experience or hunt and what keeps us 127 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: from doing that. And there's a couple of things that 128 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: Annie talks a lot about in these books that keep 129 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: us from learning, keep us from being able to accurately 130 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: judge our decisions, and they're something that are referred to 131 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: as cognitive biases, and basically cognitive biases a fancy word 132 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: for a mental shortcut that our brains make to kind 133 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: of make life easier. There there are ways that the 134 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: brain kind of jumps to assumptions that oftentimes they're right, 135 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: but sometimes they're not, and they can lead to mistakes 136 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: and are thinking. The first one of these is something 137 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: you've heard me mention a few times this season as 138 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this, since it's called resulting and resulting, 139 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'll quote the definition here from the book 140 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: is is the tendency to look at whether a result 141 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: was good or bad to figure out whether a decision 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: was good or bad. So, in other words, it makes 143 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: you think you know something about the quality of decision 144 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: because you know of the outcome. So because this bad 145 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: thing happened, my decision was bad. Or because this good 146 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: thing happened, my decision was good. But sometimes that's not 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: the case. So for example, let's say I make a 148 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: decision to hunt a certain tree based off a bunch 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: of stuff, trail campis win direction and observation so on. 150 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: But then the hunt progressive and I see the buck 151 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: I was targeting and he moved a hundred yards away. Now, 152 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: given that result, it would be easy for me to say, well, 153 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: that was a bad decision to hunt from this tree 154 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: because the buck was a hundred yards away. It didn't 155 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: kill him, So bad decision because of that bad outcome. 156 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: But maybe it was a damn good decision based off 157 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: everything I knew, But it was just outside factors or 158 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: luck the influenced where that buck was and kept the 159 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: outcome from matching that good decision. Right, there was a 160 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: whole bunch of different potential outcomes, even though it might 161 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: have been a really good decision to be there based 162 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: off what I knew. If we give into this tendency 163 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: to focus just on that result and let the result 164 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: dictate how we judge our decisions a k A resulting 165 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: excuse our ability to learn from those experiences. And here's 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: another one of these tendencies that we humans have that 167 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: mess up our ability to learn, and it's called hindsight bias, 168 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: and this is the tendency to believe that an event 169 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: after it occurs was predictable or inevitable, something happens, and 170 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: then after it happened, we will sometimes say, well, of 171 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: course it happened. Um, it's that whole hindsight kind of thing. 172 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: So for example, we decided to go sit the corner 173 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: oak tree on a hunch and a big buck comes 174 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: rolling through and when you get a shot, and after 175 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: that happens, you look back on it, and you know, 176 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: the power of hindsight bias will make a lot of 177 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: us jump to the conclusion that, yeah, of course it happened. 178 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: I sat there because you know, there's two trials that 179 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: came together, and yeah, it worked out just like I 180 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: planned it. I knew, I knew this is gonna be. 181 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: Where would happen, right, I know you all have a 182 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: buddy who will tell you the story. And man, just 183 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: like I called it, I knew it was gonna happen. 184 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: But in reality, yeah, it did happen. But there are 185 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: plenty of other outcomes that are possible. This time it 186 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: panned out. But if we're being honest with ourselves and 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: if we honestly think through our decision process and how 188 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: we execute on it, was it really just right? Or 189 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: we may be giving ourselves a little bit too much 190 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: credit sometimes, And if we do that too often, if 191 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: we start patting ourselves on the back too often, if 192 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: we look at things say well, of course that happened 193 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: that way, sometimes that's going to start impacting our future 194 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: decisions too. Now, the same thing can be said on 195 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: the flip side, when the outcomes didn't go our way 196 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: and you see the buck traveling off in the distance 197 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: and you tell yourself, dang it, I should have known that. 198 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Of course you'd be over there. But really, you know, 199 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: this hindsight bias is something we've got to watch out for. 200 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: So these two little mental shortcuts resulting in hindsight bias, 201 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: these things can mess with our ability to learn from experiences. Um, 202 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, they can keep us from analyzing a hunt 203 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: clearly or or learning from a decision clearly. So here 204 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: are two things to think about that can that can 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: help us battle that, I guess, and I'm gonna I'm 206 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: gonna read two quotes here from one of these anti 207 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Duke books that I think are are pretty key. Here. 208 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: Number one, what makes a decision great is not that 209 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: it has a great outcome. A great decision the result 210 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: of a good process. So thinking about the process, not 211 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: the outcome, but the process. And then number two, to 212 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: assess the quality of a decision and to learn from experience, 213 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: you need to evaluate your state of mind honestly and 214 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: recall what was noble and what was not noble as 215 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: accurately as possible. So one of the keys to determining 216 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: decision quality or you know, learning something from a hunter 217 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: and experience, is to think more about the decision process 218 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: than the actual outcome, clearly remembering and identifying what did 219 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: I know as I was trying to make that decision? 220 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: What did I know? What did I not know? What 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: couldn't I have known? And being able to separate those 222 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: two things from you know, the future and from what 223 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: the actual outcome was, And then you have to think about, 224 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, this is what I knew, this is 225 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: what I couldn't have known. Now what was the whole 226 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: process given what I knew, now that I've had time 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: to thoroughly think it through. Did I use that information 228 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: to put myself in the right position? And then did 229 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: I execute on that decision and that idea the way 230 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: that it could have Did I just not have enough 231 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: information or did I have the right information? But I 232 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: just got lazy or tired or sloppy. This this step here, 233 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: this idea of reflecting back on your hunts and thinking 234 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: through not just the outcomes of your time, but the 235 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: process you took. I think that is what's actually going 236 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: to help us get better. And here's the real kicker though, 237 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: in a really important point that I think Annie makes, 238 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: and it's it's so true when it comes to hunting. 239 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: She says, a lot of experience can be an excellent teacher, 240 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: but a single experience not so much. Think about that. 241 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: Let me say it again. A lot of experience can 242 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: be an excellent teacher, but a single experience not so much. 243 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: So so one single hunt, one single decision, one single 244 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: outcome that ship can will you. Sometimes things happen because 245 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: he made a great decision, But sometimes things happen because 246 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: of good luck, or on the flip side, because of 247 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: bad luck. If we focus too much on any one 248 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: single data point or one single experience, or risk of 249 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: being fooled by randomness. But if if on the you know, 250 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: on the flip side, we focus on the entirety of 251 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: our experiences or the averages, the trends, the overall some 252 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: of our progress. I think that's when we can start 253 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: getting a more clear and honest picture of what's happening 254 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and how our changes in process are either helping or 255 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: hurting us. So here's what I want you guys to 256 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: try to do, if you're willing to play along with me, 257 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: here a little bit, while you listen to J Honest 258 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: and I break down his hunt. Don't just listen to 259 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: his story, but also try to listen for examples of 260 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: this resulting or listen for examples of hindsight bias, you know, 261 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: as the Honest is discussing what he's doing, you know, 262 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,239 Speaker 1: listen to his decision making process and how he interpreted 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: the outcomes he saw, and use this as a little 264 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: bit of a aisle run for your own future reflections. 265 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you Honest about any of this kind 266 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: of stuff, leaving up to do it. So he's just 267 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: recounting what happened and questioning his decisions and all that 268 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: just naturally. Um And it's a fun story on its own, 269 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: but I think it's it's it's interesting to hear how 270 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: he worked all of this and then think about that 271 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: through the lens of what I just told you. These 272 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: these tools, these biases to watch out for, and these 273 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: these ways to think through things a little bit differently. 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: So when you're done listening to the to the story, 275 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: the next time you've got a long car ride, or 276 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: maybe on your next morning run or during a long shower, 277 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: try to apply a little bit of this thinking to 278 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: your own hunting season or maybe your most recent hunting trip. 279 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Think through the decisions you made and the outcomes that 280 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: came from those, and then the conclusions you drew from. 281 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Push yourself to consider whether or not resulting or hindset 282 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: bias might have clouded your vision a little bit. Try 283 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: to pick apart that process and be honest about it. 284 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: Be honest about what you could have known in the 285 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: moment and what you couldn't have. Tried to remove the 286 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: stuff that you discovered later, like yeah, the big buck 287 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: jumped the string and you missed him, or yeah, the 288 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: big buck came out over here, or yeah the neighbors 289 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: there was fifteen neighbors hunting on the other property, and 290 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: you know that stuff after your decisions, But try to 291 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: think about what did you know in the moment when 292 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: you were deciding what to do and when you were 293 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: actually doing it, And also then think about not just 294 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: one single moment or experience or decision, but the some 295 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: of those experiences. So we're not going to be fooled 296 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: by one single data point, We're not gonna be fooled 297 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: by randomness, and we're gonna look at the sum of 298 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: the whole. And then after all that, after all that 299 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: thinking and reflecting and picking things apart a little bit, 300 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: I think then you can have some useful, clear, uh takeaways. 301 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: And my one thought on that is to is to 302 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: try to focus your takeaways to just maybe one or 303 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: two things. Um, At least for me, it can be 304 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: easy to you know, look back on my hunt. Let's say, 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: look back on my hunt for Tram. Right, you've heard 306 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: me talk about that and reflect on that, and I 307 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: could sit here and I could list off like three, 308 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: four or five six different things that I learned from 309 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: this hunt, and that maybe, you know, I want to 310 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: incorporate into future hunt so that I want to change 311 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the different takeaways some lessons learned. Um. If you do that, though, 312 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: it's really easy to get overwhelmed by all that and 313 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: then none of it stick. On the flip side, if 314 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: you can focus on just one or two things and say, okay, 315 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: from this hunt or this season. These are my two 316 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: big takeaways. These are the two things I want to 317 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: get better at, or that I want to do different, 318 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: or that I have to remember for next time around. 319 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: If you can have it focused there, you've got a 320 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: much better chance of actually being able to take action 321 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: on them and to actually do something with It's like 322 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: a New Year's resolution, right, If you've got fifteen New 323 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Year's resolutions, you're not gonna keep any of them. But 324 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: if you've got one of them and it's achievable and 325 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: actionable and clear, then you got a chance. So so 326 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: that's that's my that's my homework for you. I guess um. 327 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: I know you sure as hell didn't want homework from me, 328 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: so sorry about that. But but if you're if you're 329 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: game for this, try to come up with a couple 330 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: of things. Keep it tight, keep it actionable, keep it achievable, 331 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: and write it down. You know, And maybe this is 332 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: something that's best done at the end of the year, 333 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: when your whole hunting season is done, but maybe maybe 334 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: not write down this couple of things, and you know, 335 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: leading into one, you've got something to work with. You've 336 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: you've been able to take a clear look at what 337 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: you did. You're able to have a clear, accurate and 338 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: honest understanding of your process and have a few actionable 339 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: items to think about or two to move on. So 340 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: there you go. It's a lot to think about there. 341 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: I realize, UM, maybe I lost a couple of you, 342 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: But for those of you that are still here with me, 343 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: I think and I hope that this is going to 344 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: be a helpful frame work for us to have in 345 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: place as we dive into this conversation with Joannice. Um, 346 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: So there you go. I think enough of me rambling, 347 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Let's just get into Jannice the story, think about these things, 348 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: enjoy this, and uh, I hope you find it helpful. 349 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: All right with me on the line now, is my 350 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: buddy Janice tell us Janni thanks for thanks for joining 351 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: here on the show. No, thanks for taking the time 352 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: to uh make me a better white tail hunter. Mark. Well, 353 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you it has been it's been fun 354 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: seeing you kind of get re excited about white tails 355 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: this year and getting these random text messages and phone 356 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: calls from you picking my brain about this thing or that, 357 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: because I'm not used to that from you, and uh, 358 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm digging it. And I'm hoping you're gonna keep 359 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: keep on the white tail train. So are you feeling 360 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: like it's going to continue? Or was this a one 361 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: and done? No, for sure, as long as they when 362 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: I say they, you know that the powers that be. Uh, 363 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: if I did a good enough job with my white 364 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: tail hunt this year and made some good entertaining content, 365 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: then hopefully they will let me do it again next year. 366 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I think I plan on being back 367 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: in the on the same ground for well, that's something 368 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: we can talk about. I don't know if it'll be 369 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: the same dates, um, but roughly during that somewhere in 370 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: that three week peak white tail period, I'd like to 371 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: be back, um, hanging in hanging off out of a 372 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: tree for you know, a solid week or so for sure. 373 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: So what I wanted to do here, uh was, you know, 374 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: basically take a conversation I think you and I wanted 375 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: to have anyways, which was hearing about how your hunt went, 376 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of dissecting and maybe doing it 377 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: almost an autopsy of the experience and what were you 378 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: thinking leading up to it, what happened during the hunt itself? Um, 379 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: you know where the things you could have done differently 380 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: where the things you did. I kind of want to 381 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: walk through the whole hunt, your whole experience, kind of 382 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: diving back into the white tail thing after you've been 383 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: somewhat removed from it over the past couple of decades, 384 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and in seeing if not only can you learn something 385 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: from this hunt, but maybe there's some opportunities to help 386 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: everybody else learn how to kind of dissect their own experiences, 387 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: because this is something I'm always trying to do myself. 388 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: And you've heard some of my past podcast you hear 389 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: me lots of times trying to analyze what I was 390 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: thinking at a given moment, or did I make the 391 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: right decision here? Should I have done something differently? And 392 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: at least for me, I kind of geek out about 393 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: this constant fine tuning and polishing of what I'm trying 394 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: to do. UM. And I hope that's something that people 395 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: can take away from this and do themselves. So this 396 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: seems like a perfect case study. UM. And then the 397 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: goal would hopefully be that you come out of this 398 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: having found something valuable too. Uh So are you are 399 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: you game for that? For me to just start picking 400 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: it away at everything you did and see what we 401 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: can and fine, oh yeah, please please. Like I said 402 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: before we started recording, I think I'm gonna get more 403 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: out of this than uh than your listeners. Um, but 404 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: hopefully it's of equal value to both them and me. 405 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, have at it. Well, let's set it 406 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: up a little bit, because right you grew up having 407 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: done some white tail hunting and then you headed out 408 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: west and started chasing all sorts of other things. Can 409 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: you just lay the groundwork as far as what those 410 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: early white tail experiences were, like, how did what did 411 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: you have coming into this from your past? Yeah, so 412 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: you know I started hunting white sales. I don't know. 413 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: I probably started sitting in the blind with my dad 414 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: at ten or so, and I think I could hunt 415 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: at twelve. I can't remember which state was which. What 416 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: is it in Michigan now to over fourteen, it's it's 417 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: it's removed. Now if you've got a mentor with you, 418 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: you can start hunting super young. But it used to 419 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: be I think thirteen with a bow, twelve with the bow, 420 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: the two of the guns, something like that, and you 421 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: right about that age, I started, you know, carrying it 422 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: going a few years later, I got a bow, started 423 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: shooting a bow a little bit, and it's hard to 424 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: put an exact number on it, but definitely there was 425 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: a couple of falls before I left, because I left 426 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: Michigan when I was eighteen, I believe, to move out 427 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: to Colorado, So there was probably two or three falls 428 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: there where you know, I probably spent a dozen days 429 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: or you know, haunts in a tree stand on my 430 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: own with the boat. UM, took a few shots, never 431 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: killed one. UM over the years, I don't know, killed 432 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: probably ten does and then three four small you know, 433 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: basket rack, Michigan special box and UM, I know Wisconsin 434 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I killed like a crotchet horn was my first buck 435 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, and I think I was probably sixteen ish 436 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: when I killed that. UM. So as much as I 437 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: say like I grew up white tail hunting, you know, 438 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I think I left right as at the point in 439 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: time where I could have gotten kind of real serious 440 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: about it. And I know some people get more serious earlier, 441 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: but UM for me, I think, you know, roughly at 442 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: the age of eighteen, I probably could have started, you know, 443 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: really you know, focusing in on it, and I just 444 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: was was gone. You know. So there's some white tail experience, 445 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: but it's definitely limited. And then over the course of 446 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: the next twenty years, I would go back probably every 447 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: three or four years to Wisconsin and just haunt the 448 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: gun opener and then the following two days, um, all 449 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: on the same property that I hunted this year for 450 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: a full seven days. So um, there's definitely some familiarity. 451 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: But I think one thing I learned this week, like 452 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: big time, is just how you know the different levels 453 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: of familiarity. Right, you think you sort of know a place, 454 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: and then and spending a whole week there like just 455 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: pounding it, I just have a whole different view on 456 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: it now, you know what I mean. Yeah, And you 457 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: and I were talking the other day about how, you know, 458 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: just going from being in a situation that you're typically 459 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: in out west in Montana or Colorado or wherever, chasing elk, 460 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: mule deer, all the stuff you've been doing over the 461 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: last twenty years. You obviously have you know, developed a 462 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: real level of expertise doing that stuff. But then you 463 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: go back to something you did a long time ago, 464 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's a little bit humbling being put in 465 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: a slightly different position now. Right when you headed back 466 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: to Wisconsin taking on this you know, hunting in a 467 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: different kind of way, bow hunting during the rut, pounding 468 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: it for seven days. What was that like for you? 469 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: Just going from something you're super comfortable with tow now 470 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: back in a different type of situation and kind of 471 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if I wanted to say you were 472 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what the right word would be, 473 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: but but in outside your comfort zone in a weird way, 474 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I mean I think mostly what I 475 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: noticed they were that was that I just I lacked 476 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: the confidence in decision making, you know, because even though 477 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: I haven't done a lot of it. Um, you know, 478 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: I spent a couple of years ago, you and I 479 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: hunted in Michigan kind of on the same hunt, and 480 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: I spent you know, three or four days in a 481 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: tree stand. Although I hadn't really like picked locations there. 482 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: We kind of showed up and you were like, yeah, 483 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: I go sit here. Um, because I didn't really have 484 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: to do much of the homework. But um, yeah, it 485 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: was just like the lack of confidence, Like when I'm 486 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: in the woods out here out west, I just sort 487 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: of have like, like, I know him maybe not making 488 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: the right decision, but I have confidence in my decision 489 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and I go and execute on it and you know, 490 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: let the chips fall. But that week in Wisconsin this year, 491 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: I'll just constantly just battling my in my head like 492 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: should I stay? Should I go? You know, just this 493 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: classic fomo of fear missing out of what's going on 494 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: over the next ridge, and should I give it some 495 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: more time or should I not? Is it too indeed 496 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: to be on a ridge top? Um? Is if I 497 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: go off the ridge top, is the wind gonna suck? 498 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: You know? Um? So yeah, because these days with so 499 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: much information out there, you know, listening to all your 500 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: podcasts and listening and watching the hunting public guys, um 501 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, reading stuff, there's just so much out there 502 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: that you sort of like gain like us like going 503 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: into it before you get your boots on the ground. 504 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: You kind of have a false sense of confidence, especially 505 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: when you got twenty trail cameras out and you've got like, 506 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, six or more like I'm happy to shoot 507 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: kind of bucks. And then you all of a sudden 508 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: you have to put it all, you know, put the 509 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: boots on the ground and make it happen. And then 510 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: you realize that like, oh, it's not gonna be that easy. 511 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: It's just like everybody makes it sound like on every podcast. Yeah, 512 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: So so set me up with the place. This is 513 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: somewhere that you have hunt in the past, but never 514 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: like this. This is somewhere Wisconsin. Kind of paint the 515 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: scene a little bit for what you were heading into. Yeah, 516 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: we're up in and kind of like pretty central, like 517 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: over by Eau Claire across are kind of the two 518 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: nearest bigger towns. Um. What's interesting about his property is 519 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: that it lacks any real agriculture. Like we have a 520 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: couple of small fields that are on the neighbors on 521 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: one side of us, but other than that, it's just 522 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: all big oak woods, you know, and it's been it's 523 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: been managed, you know, had you know, cuts done on 524 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: it over the years, and so you have you know, 525 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: like the poplar and and uh maple, you know, kind 526 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: of younger thickets you know here and there. Um, but 527 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: there's just there's it lacks that edge habitat. You know 528 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: that if I was gonna go and like just pick 529 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: a place to go hunt, I would like find a 530 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: place that had a lot of edge habitat, right, because 531 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: it seems like like deer like it and also seems 532 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: like a good place to ambush deer is on those edges. Um, 533 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: and it's got a live topography for white tailed country. 534 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's not quite the you know, white tail 535 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: country of Montana, but like it's got ridges that go 536 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: two to three feet up from the bottom and definitely 537 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: has stuff that's deep enough to you know that that 538 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: you could ski. And it's sort of just like this 539 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: interconnected woven it's either you can say that the ridges 540 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: are connected or the bowls are connected, you know, through saddles, 541 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: however you want to look at it. But like a 542 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: lot of ups and downs, a lot of little finger 543 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: ridges popping off the main ridges. Uh. It's a place 544 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: where when you're taking the ridge out, you know before Onyx, 545 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of times where if you you know, 546 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: take the finger ridge down too early and don't walk 547 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: the extra if you're seventy five yards to stay on 548 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: the main ridge, you know, you end up going into 549 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: a hell hole and having to walk around another ridge 550 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: versus taking an easy way home, you know what I mean. Um, 551 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: it can just you know, and it it all looks 552 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: the same. We have it so easy for navigating out west. Uh, 553 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, big mountains, it's just easy to you know, 554 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: know which way is downhill and which way to go, 555 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: and when you get into you know, um, not that 556 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: this train is flatter, but it's just more covered in vegetation, 557 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: I guess. So it's always it's harder to just see, 558 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, around you and just kind of go, oh, yeah, 559 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: there's the you know sun in the south or whatever. Um. 560 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: So anyways, yeah, big ridges, big balls, all hardwoods, um 561 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: and UM I also want to say about it, Um, 562 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: is there anyone hunting other than you? I mean, there's 563 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: a pretty good group of guys at all hunted over 564 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: rifle season, um, you know, and this year it's in 565 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: the last couple of years some of the only fellas 566 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: have retired, so that this year they actually put in 567 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: uh two weekends over rifle season. But otherwise no nobody 568 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: really hunting it for for both season. UM. I mean 569 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: every now and then, you know, someone might come and 570 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: put a day or two in, but it's fairly unmolested. Okay, 571 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: So then what about fo acres is about what I 572 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: had access to. So then what was the game or 573 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: what was the prep work that you put into it 574 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: leading up to the hunt. We're able to come out 575 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: and scout or do anything in the spring or summer 576 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: or was this you know your dad hung some cameras 577 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: and then you came right out during this actual hunt. Yeah, 578 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: so I didn't get to make it out there. I 579 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: tried thought about it. Um, in retrospect, I think it's 580 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: like there's some things I could have done. I don't 581 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: know if I would have done these things that would 582 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: now do if with a trip in the summertime. But um, yeah, 583 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: so I didn't make it. So really I just poured 584 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: over you know, the topography layer on on X probably 585 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: more than anything as far as like digital scouting goes, 586 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: and just really try to just from what I know 587 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: from like general dear movement on this property and then 588 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: really just try to fine tune it and look and 589 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: like pick my saddles because like everybody knows, right like 590 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: rich country, it just seems like saddles, you know, our 591 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: our places where deer travel, you know. So I just 592 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: really try to bear down on those and figure out, 593 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, where I should try and you know, set 594 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: some you know, set of stand up. Now my dad 595 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: did hang I don't know, approximately twenty cameras. I think 596 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: we had like eight of the Moultrie um cell cameras 597 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: and then a dozen or so of just the the 598 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: standard cameras. UM. He did most of the work on 599 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: the ground. UM. I kept asking him to find me 600 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: like the thickest bedding cover, and it was something that 601 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: just never really material materialized that in him. I've kind 602 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: of realized that my dad at seventy, you know, I 603 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: can have a long list along to do list, and 604 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: m he's only got so much energy, you know what 605 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, So like where you and I could go 606 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: and cover seven miles and pretty much cover the whole 607 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: place and be like all right, here's the you know 608 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: four main really thick looking betting areas. You know that 609 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that took all summer and more UM to get out 610 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: of him. So he did pre set um I think 611 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: six or seven tree stands for himself, UM, which I 612 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: wasn't too worried about. I mean, I helped him pick 613 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: locations and again we used just historical you know data, 614 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: and then and then just where we had seen a 615 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: lot of activity you know from the cameras UM. And 616 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: then you know, he picks he picked whatever it was 617 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: six or seven spots to set up his tree stands. 618 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: The guys from River's Edge actually came out and helped him, 619 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: just like they helped you on the back forty two uh, 620 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: to set up the stand. So that was super nice 621 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, huge help with the assembly of some 622 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: of those things, that's for sure. Um, for sure, it 623 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: takes some time. So that was it. Man. I wouldn't 624 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: really call it a lot of like prep work, you know. 625 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: I was counting on you know, having some at least 626 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: having an an inventory idea of of what we had 627 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: with the cameras and knowing what was there and what, um, 628 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: mostly just so I would know like, oh, okay, like 629 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: there are no big bucks, you should just shoot the 630 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: first basket six you run into, or like oh no, 631 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: there are enough like what looked to be three to 632 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: four year old deer too. I could hold out and 633 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: try to get shot at one of them, you know. Yeah, 634 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: so so walk me through where you're dead. Ended up 635 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: putting some of these trail cameras. I know you and 636 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I had some discussions through the summer, um, but well 637 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: what ended up being the plan for where those were 638 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: placed to get you that inventory? Um, well, what happened 639 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: with the cell cameras we quickly realized that you can't 640 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: just put those anywhere, you know, if you don't have 641 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: the best coverage, right. And I definitely seemed like we 642 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: just had to be up on the You could be 643 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: like halfway up a hill and get decent, you know, reception, 644 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: but if you had them on the ridge top, they 645 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: were going to be working the best. Um. So we 646 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: basically did you know what what from what he could 647 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: tell in the moment, you know. And again he was 648 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: setting them in the summertime, so it's really hard to 649 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: set in the summertime when the woods don't look like 650 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna look you know, come October November, you know. Um. 651 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: But I had a couple of spots where like historically 652 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: I knew they there's a bunch of scrapes. Um. He 653 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: would set them there. Um. Sometimes he just like you know, 654 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: was walking and just you know, I was like, all right, 655 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: here's two trails, like you know, come across the saddle. 656 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put one here. Um, Like I said, a 657 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: lot of them we put in locations that we wanted, 658 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: but we ended up having to move them. We definitely 659 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: put a couple down where we do have that little 660 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: bit of edge habitat where where like our woods, about 661 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: the neighbors agriculture and he had beans and uh corn 662 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: um and then otherwise. Yeah, just like you know, I 663 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: kept telling him, just trying to you know, when you're 664 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: walking the boundary or walking, you know, walking the road, 665 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: just look for where there's a lot of tracks crossing 666 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: the road, you know, and put one up there. So um, yeah, 667 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: that's I guess that was our tactic for where to 668 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: set them and okay, walk me through and what you 669 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: ended up discovering? Did you find out what you're wanting 670 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: to find all those cameras? Yeah. What was really interesting 671 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: is that early on, like for most of the summer, 672 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: like I'd say, like well even well into October, it 673 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: was as if there were no Bucks living there. Like 674 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: I was quite kind of surprised. I was like, there 675 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: was like literally nothing, especially nothing mature. Um. And I 676 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: think that sometime in September we finally got like us 677 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: ten point and it was like I don't know, points 678 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: like sweet, like there's one. You know. It was amazing 679 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: is that like whatever whatever tripped them in October when 680 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: they finally started moving, and I'm guessing just had to 681 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: do with the scrapes because all of a sudden, like 682 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: we had one camera. It was funny. It wasn't just bucks. 683 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: There was one camera my dad had set up on 684 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: a place that he named like mouse Meadow, and I 685 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: forget the reasoning behind it, but like it's it's an 686 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: old scrape that's been there for whatever as long as 687 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: he remembers. So he's like, yeah, I put it up 688 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: on this old scrape. And I was getting to the 689 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: point where I was gonna tell him he yanked the 690 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: camera because like literally we had zero deer on this 691 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,479 Speaker 1: thing at all, and then all of a sudden, something 692 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: change and there was doze box, doze box, doze box, 693 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: like every single day hitting this scrape and coming down 694 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: this ridge like to to this scrape. Uh So that 695 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: was like, that was very interesting, and that happened in 696 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: a lot of places. Um, Like I was telling you earlier, 697 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: Like I had a spot where I kept telling him 698 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: like please, there's like there's like a ridge where you 699 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: almost kind of go through a little tunnel of like 700 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: just like real early growth, successional growth. You know, I 701 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: don't know if it's Pulper's maples whatever that are have 702 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: grown in and it's probably been five to ten years, 703 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like you go through a tunnel almost. 704 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: It's so it's so thick on this ridge top, you know, 705 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: and we've got to cut open just as a trail, 706 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: and right when it pops out, you kind of you're 707 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: on a kind of a three way where the ridge 708 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: is intersect and there's always you know, scrapes there and 709 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: I had n't put one up there, and the same 710 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: thing there for like but when we finally put it 711 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: up there, that was getting towards the end of the summer, 712 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: but still two weeks nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, And then 713 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, sometime in October, it was like 714 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: scrape time and there was just constant activity in that zone. 715 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: And that was one of the big things that I've learned. 716 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: And then obviously I learned that there were more bucks, 717 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: like more shooter type bucks around than than you know, 718 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: we had we had previously thought, you know, how many 719 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: do you think? Mm hmm. I think we had like 720 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: trying not to count the neighbors, because the neighbors sent 721 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: me some pictures too of bucks that we never even 722 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: got pictures of, but we probably had like two or 723 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: three ten points two eights We had one that we 724 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: called the straight eight because he just had these main 725 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: beams that just like we're out and then went just 726 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: straight out in front of his nose, no more curb, 727 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, no more cur up or in, just like 728 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: straight out. And then we had another one that we 729 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: called like the big eight, and he just had a 730 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: little bit bigger frame and the main beam that like 731 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: curved and it curved up at the end, curbed up 732 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: so much that it would almost make him look like 733 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: a ten in some pictures, you know, because the main 734 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: beam would kind of throw you off because it kind 735 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: of pointed upward. Um. And then uh, we had one 736 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of non typicals, you know, I don't know, I'd 737 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: i'd call him a giant. We never never got to 738 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 1: see him in daylight. It was only on nighttime pictures, 739 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: but it was like, I don't know, he had plenty 740 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: of little stickers and points, and he's a he's a 741 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: big giant buck, you know, definitely like a you know, 742 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: one fifty plus kind of buck. Um. So I don't know, 743 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: i'd say at least six maybe eight bucks that I 744 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: would be like super happy to shoot. You know, what 745 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: what did you think about? And maybe maybe this isn't 746 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: the case. I don't know how you guys did things 747 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: back when you're guiding elk hunts and stuff. But was 748 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: this interesting situation going to a hunt knowing like, Okay, 749 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 1: these are the bucks that I can probably expect to see, 750 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: and you you sort of were setting expectations based on that. Um. 751 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: Did that feel different compared to when you head out 752 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: into Colorado or the mountains of Montana or something, don't 753 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: really know what's up there? Um? Or what? Was this 754 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: not too different and you were just gonna kind of 755 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: set your goals as you went. Yeah, I mean, I 756 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: just I wasn't. I wouldn't say I was like hunting 757 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: particular bucks because I just I quickly realized that man, 758 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: I just didn't have it dialed in enough to be like, oh, yeah, 759 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the Big eight is always running this 760 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: ridge or he's been seeing here a bunch, or this 761 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: is his favorite travel route and maybe this is where 762 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: he bets. Like. I didn't have any really thoughts like that, 763 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: So I was going out there just thinking like, Okay, 764 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just like, shoot, you know something that looks 765 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: more like he's two, three four years old and not 766 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: a one year old, you know, and um, there's plenty 767 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: of them out there that I should have an opportunity 768 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: in seven days behind Yeah, okay, so do you? I mean, 769 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: it was cool to know that there was like some 770 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: big box roaming around, but I definitely wasn't like zeroing 771 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: in on one of them. What about that big giant 772 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: buck though I know that that got you a little excited. 773 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: Was there any part of you that when you started hunting, 774 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: you were thinking, Man, should I should I be patient 775 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: these first couple of days because there's this this super 776 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: big guy out here, or or were you honestly that 777 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: realistic from day one and you were thinking, ah, he's 778 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: probably not around. Well, I will say, because like we 779 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: rolled in in the evening, I didn't really have like 780 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: a spot set for the morning. And then one of 781 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: the few spots where like I have walked it and 782 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: been there enough where I literally knew, like I could 783 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: go in there in the dark and probably get into 784 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 1: a tree without a lot of commotion. The first morning 785 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: it was in the area where we had picked him 786 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: up on camera. So like, certainly the first morning I 787 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of was drawn, you know, you know, towards his 788 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: his little zone where we would pick up on camera. Um, 789 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: but man, just like yeah, I said, I guess I 790 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: was pretty realistic then because I just knew that I 791 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: just didn't have enough like data to be like, Okay, 792 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here for seven days and it's gonna happen, 793 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, we'll walk me through what you did. 794 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: Then let's let's let's just here the day by day. 795 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of curious from you not only tell 796 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: me what you did, but I'm also curious if you 797 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: can remember, like what your thought process was when you 798 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: were choosing what to do, or what were the things 799 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: you were struggling with, Like did you have questions like 800 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: were you struggling to think what the hell should I 801 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: do on day one? Um? That would be interesting and 802 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: then we can kind of walk through and I might 803 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: pick some of those things apart as we go. Sure, 804 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: So that was open and morning, and I want to 805 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: say that I saw I saw too deer like just 806 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: cutting cutting through the woods kind of at a quick pace, 807 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: and it was hard to tell it like if a 808 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: bok was chasing a dough like they were that far 809 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: off you know where it was just flashes and I 810 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: got my binoculars up and never really couldn't identify them. Um, 811 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 1: but that was all I saw all morning, and so 812 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: I decided to pull out and then go to a 813 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: place that's called the Oak Flat. And the Oak Flat 814 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: like I didn't have a camera up there, but it was. 815 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 1: It's basically it borders a neighbor, and the neighbor had 816 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: just like in the last two years, I think, pretty 817 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: much clear cut, like a like a forty acre chunk, right, 818 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: And I just figured that that clear cut would for 819 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: for multiple reasons in my head, would be holding dear 820 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: whether it was just young and thick, so they'd be 821 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: betting in there. Maybe there'd be some like enough sunlight 822 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: getting to it where there would be some forage that 823 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: they'd want to be eating on. And so I decided 824 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 1: to go hunt this oak flat, which is on top 825 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: of a ridge. And I get in there and I 826 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: actually bump two does like right when as I'm basically 827 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: on the oak flat kind of looking for a tree 828 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: to to set up in, and I'm thinking, all right, 829 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: that's like a decent sign, right, There's like they were 830 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: probably betted here or they were just feeding here off 831 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: this edge, I don't know, but they didn't bump too hard. 832 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,959 Speaker 1: They just kind of scampered off and you know, didn't 833 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: really know what it was. So I don't know if 834 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: if they just barely caught a whiff of me or what. 835 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: But um, this oak flat has so that was like 836 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: off to one side was this clear cut, but it 837 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: also has like probably maybe like a ten year old 838 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: cut on another side of the flat, like coming off 839 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: the steep ridge, which is super thick, and the wind 840 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: was blowing kind of out of that ten year old 841 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: cut thick stuff up onto the oak flap. So as 842 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm the oak flats maybe I don't know, hundred yards 843 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: wide or so ish, and I just in my head, 844 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: I thought, Man, if a buck comes up onto this 845 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: oak flat and he's cruising and checking like a betting area, 846 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 1: he's going to calm like closer to this thick stuff 847 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: then farther away from it, because he'll just be right 848 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: on top of it, you know, trying to smell what's 849 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: down in there. Maybe, so I set up, like if 850 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: you divide it into thirds, probably a third of the 851 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: way closer to like this thick edge that dropped off, 852 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: and I could still see the whole oak flap um, 853 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the other directions, so you know, it 854 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: felt good. It was a good tree with. What I 855 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: found interesting too is like just learning how to pick 856 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 1: trees like quickly, you know, when you're when your saddle 857 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: n ng um. Yeah. These like in this big oak 858 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: forest and on like an oak flat like that where 859 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: it's like a lot of mature trees and the leaves 860 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: were like gone. Like you get up there and man, 861 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: there is not a lot of cover, you know, so 862 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: you're like looking for ones that have a couple of 863 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: extra branches poking out maybe, or looking for one that 864 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: is next to a white pine that you know might 865 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: break up your slhouette a little bit. This one, actually 866 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: I did have a nice white pine next to me 867 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: kind of in my like no shooting lane, which was perfect. 868 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,440 Speaker 1: Well anyways, um, I think I have a like a 869 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: forking hornbuck come in maybe I don't know, an hour 870 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: before dark, Um I catch. I think one of those 871 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: does up and feeding again out in that clear cut 872 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: that's brand new, and then like fifteen minutes left to 873 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: go before dark, up onto the oak flat flat pops 874 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: up like I think it was the straight eight. It's 875 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: like nice eight point buck. I'm like sweet, you know, 876 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 1: like from whatever distance. It was less than a hundred yards. 877 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: I cannoculars, I can be like, oh yeah, sweet, but 878 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 1: you're bot And he kind of came. He was actually 879 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: paralleling walking. He's kind of coming up out of a bowl. 880 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: And then his path was paralleling that the fresh new 881 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: cut was on one side of him, and then the 882 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: kind of the that the ten year old cut was 883 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: on the other side of him. It was he on 884 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 1: top of the ridge or sidehilling. Well, he came, he 885 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: came straight up out of a bowl and then popped 886 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: right up on top of the ridge. He got up there. 887 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, instead of like as soon 888 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: as he popped up, taking a right like I thought 889 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: he would, and then coming along that edge that would 890 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: have brought him, you know, right into like where I 891 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: was hoping that he would walk and he would continue 892 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: to basically sent check that super thick stuff that he 893 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: had kind of come out of it. But but he 894 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: had kind of come off the edge of it, you 895 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he didn't seem like he 896 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: had come right out of the thickest part of it, 897 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, just knowing what was below me. Well, when 898 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: he pops up on the oak flap, my wind is, 899 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much going the same direction. He's traveling right. 900 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: So if he takes it right, immediately he's gonna come 901 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: across the wind and never cash my wind. But for 902 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: whatever reason, he goes almost across the Oak flat and 903 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: gets like down wind, but he's we're still here, I 904 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: still have like a parallel wind. And then he then 905 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: he takes the right and basically comes and then you 906 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 1: could tell he was he had actually turned and was 907 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: gonna come back across the Oak Flat to I don't 908 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: know where he was going to go at that point. 909 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: At this point I was guessing, but he had made 910 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: the turn and then literally as he made the turn 911 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: to come back towards me, and this is probably I 912 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: don't know when he popped up. He was probably sixty 913 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,800 Speaker 1: yards and then he went stayed at roughly sixty yards 914 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: maybe seventy, made that turn and then was gonna come 915 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: back towards me. But at that point he caught my 916 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: and caught my wind, and that was it. It's so 917 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: funny because you're watching, You're like, oh, yeah, these big 918 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: bucks are gonna be so stupid. It's November five, you know, 919 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: I'll get away with everything. It's like, well, you get 920 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,439 Speaker 1: away with everything except for when they smell you. Yeah. 921 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: So do you looking on that then that night, given 922 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 1: what you knew, if you took the fact of what 923 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: he actually did, but do you feel like you were 924 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: set up in about the best place you could have 925 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: been given the information available, or after watching that night, 926 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: did you learn something that would have change your thought 927 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: process next time around up there? Mm hmm. Man, it's 928 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: a tough call. You know. We saw I sat that 929 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: oak flat probably at least three more hunts, three or 930 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: four more hunts. That's probably like the one spot that 931 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: I spent the most time in because I was having, um, 932 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, continual success there right, Like I was at 933 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: least seeing deer there, even if it wasn't like a 934 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: mature buck. Um. And one of the following days when 935 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: I set up, I set up probably thirty forty yards 936 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: more down wind. It was interesting. We had a south 937 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: wind pretty much the whole week, which was hot week, 938 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,960 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, very very very warm. Um. I think 939 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people battled that in the Upper Midwest 940 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: that first week of our November this year. Um. But yeah, 941 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,400 Speaker 1: it was just like the south wind. So a lot 942 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: of my planning in my head, you know, and I 943 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: was like looking at saddles and and just like thinking 944 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: about where to put stands. Everything in my head was like, well, 945 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna set up for a west wind, because that's 946 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,319 Speaker 1: just gonna be like more than likely what you're gonna 947 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: be dealing with, you know. And so that really threw 948 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: me off was to constantly have to go in there like, Okay, no, 949 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be south wind. South wind, you know. And 950 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: so the when I set up consequently, I was I 951 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: was setting up more down wind. And I think every 952 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: deer that pretty much came onto that flat, like I 953 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: would have gotten close to getting a shot on him, 954 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: you know. Um, but the flat is just big enough, 955 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where you can't cover it 956 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: all if you decide to set up like on the 957 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: actual down wind side, you know. Um, and a lot 958 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,479 Speaker 1: of these like where these ridges break off and fall off. 959 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: If you get right on that edge and the winds 960 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,919 Speaker 1: blowing anything more than four or five miles an hour, 961 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: I feel like that your winds kind of getting blown 962 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: out into I don't know, just like the universe, as 963 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: opposed to like kind of falling down the hill, you know, 964 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, you'll blow overtop anything right that 965 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: comes close. Yeah, so you're almost like getting the best 966 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: of both worlds because even if something comes up the 967 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,919 Speaker 1: hill down wind of you, it's a really good chance 968 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: that your winds blowing over the top of them. Right. 969 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,280 Speaker 1: So anyways, Yeah, that's what I did. The following sets, 970 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 1: Um and I had like a I forget what it was. 971 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: It's like either either a fork at horn or maybe 972 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: like a real small six that that I messed around 973 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: when he came in and um, one of those talks 974 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: that really anxious right like comes by once didn't make 975 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: it within raine, So I let him get to like, 976 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, just where I could barely see him, grunted 977 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: at him. Then he came all the way back, came 978 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: went down wind of us, definitely could tell he was 979 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: smelling us, and then came right back under the tree 980 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: again asking for trouble. Yeah, asking for trouble. But it 981 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: was early in the hunts. I'm like, I'll let you go. 982 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna get better. Man. What what about? What about 983 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 1: you know? Send control? Is that something you did? You 984 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: run the Western route, which is just play the way 985 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: and don't worry about stuff. Or did you try to 986 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: adopt some of the white tail fanatic approach and do 987 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 1: some stuff to minimize a little What did you do 988 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: on that front? Uh, not too much. A couple of 989 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: bottles of this sent away. We're kicking around, you know, 990 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: we would spray ourselves, you know, periodically we left. We 991 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,359 Speaker 1: did leave our hunting clothes outside. You know, we wore 992 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: rubber boots um while we hunted. But and you know, 993 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,399 Speaker 1: being that like it's two of us, right because we're 994 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: videoing it, and the fact that we were like doing 995 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 1: some pretty serious walk and it wasn't like mega hikes, 996 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: but like you know, a solid like fifteen twenty minute 997 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: hoof in the dark is definitely enough to like, you know, 998 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: if you're not dressed properly, if you've got too me 999 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: clothes on, you're gonna get lathered up a little bit. 1000 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: So Um I was. And you know what, I can't 1001 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: tell if it or not, because anytime like a deer 1002 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 1: got directly down wind, um, it seemed like they were 1003 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: onto me. You know. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really 1004 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: hard with the camera. I definitely agree with that. I 1005 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 1: feel like if I do everything just as best as 1006 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: I possibly can, when I'm solo, I can maybe get 1007 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,360 Speaker 1: away with it thirty percent of the time, you know, 1008 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: thtcent times something like that. The rest of the time 1009 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting winded, but I get away with it a 1010 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: few times. But when you've got another person up there 1011 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,479 Speaker 1: with all the additional possibilities that come with that, it's 1012 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: it's really hard. Although we definitely had a few, uh 1013 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: examples this year on the back forty where we at 1014 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: least got deer that were confused. Um, but I'm running 1015 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: things even you know, further than what you described with 1016 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,959 Speaker 1: also using ozone too, but with two guys in the tree, 1017 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: both of us being super serious and in having what's 1018 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: it's called ozonics machine, so it blows some ozone out there, 1019 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 1: which foils things up a little bit more. Even we 1020 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: had a couple of times where bucks would get down 1021 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: wind of us and know something was up, but not 1022 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: enough that they buggered out of there right away. And 1023 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: actually that was the buck I end up killing on 1024 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: the back forty. That happened on the very first night 1025 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,439 Speaker 1: of our hunt. He got down wind and was just, yeah, 1026 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 1: I don't love it, but there's a bunch of doughs 1027 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: around and I'm more interested in that, and so it's 1028 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that sometimes it can help, 1029 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. But I don't know. It's it's for me. 1030 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 1: I usually air on the side of I'd rather do 1031 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: too much too than too little. But I don't know. 1032 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: It's tough with the caraman. Like you said. I digress though. 1033 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: Another thing on the this first night's hunt, you talked 1034 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: about getting into this oak lot and trying to pick 1035 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: a tree, and how so many of them lack cover. 1036 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,880 Speaker 1: Did you find yourself having to sacrifice at all on 1037 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: the spot you want to be to get cover? Because 1038 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: this is like a thing I'm always battling with. Do 1039 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,919 Speaker 1: you pick the tree that is in a slightly less 1040 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: than ideal location but it's got great cover and you 1041 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 1: know you're not gonna get busted. Or do you get 1042 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: in the perfect location in a subpart tree where it's 1043 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, a little more risky, but you're in this spot. 1044 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: What did you have to do in this time? In 1045 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 1: this example? You know, I got lucky and there was 1046 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: there was enough good solid oaks to climb up there, 1047 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: and like I said, just a couple, like a little 1048 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: smattering of white pines. Um It seemed to work. We 1049 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 1: even had like I think the second tree we chose 1050 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,480 Speaker 1: for the for the follower following sits, it had like 1051 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: a nice v right at you know the height that 1052 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: we were setting up. You know. Also it gave us 1053 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more cover. Um. But yeah, just in 1054 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: general throughout the week, you're definitely weighing that a lot, 1055 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, along with I mean, I don't know if 1056 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,160 Speaker 1: you want to get into that now, but like just 1057 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: the prep that goes into you know, picking your spot, 1058 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, and how much that ways into which tree 1059 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: you're going to get into, Because you can get into 1060 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 1: one where there's you know, almost zero you know shooting 1061 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: lanes needed to cut and just a few limbs on 1062 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: the way up. Um, but it's like way too open, right. 1063 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,960 Speaker 1: But then if you go ten yards over, you know, 1064 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,120 Speaker 1: to get a little bit more cover, the next tree 1065 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 1: that's you know whatever, yeah, just giving you more cover. 1066 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: All of a sudden you got like you went from 1067 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: four shooting lanes down to one and it's not the 1068 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: best one, um, And then you've also got to cut 1069 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, twenty limbs and make a racket going up 1070 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: the tree. A lot of that did you find yourself 1071 00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: airing towards one of those extremes of the other man. No, 1072 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: not really, It's just because again it's like, you know, 1073 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: days are short, you know you ye, we would I 1074 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,680 Speaker 1: would sit until you know, never came down, probably earlier 1075 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: than like ten thirty eleven, And so if you sat 1076 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: to like one, it's getting dark at whatever it was 1077 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 1: five thirty, and so you've only got so much time left, right, 1078 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: so you just have to, like, if you're going to 1079 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,920 Speaker 1: a new spot, there's not let a lot of time 1080 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: to be walking around, and and plus you don't want 1081 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: to walk around too much and stink to place up 1082 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: and so a lot of times I'm just I was 1083 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 1: probably hasty. Um, And that's something I thought about retrospectively too, 1084 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: is like, but I probably could have done some nights, 1085 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 1: and I actually did it one night. Is actually because 1086 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 1: I just wasn't feeling my spot. I just got out 1087 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,919 Speaker 1: of the tree and just kind of sort of still 1088 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: hunted my way up this road where I thought I 1089 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,360 Speaker 1: might intercept something. But there's probably other times where I 1090 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,560 Speaker 1: had like just to set up wasn't right, the wind 1091 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: was wrong or whatever, and I should have just gotten 1092 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 1: out of the tree and went for a walk. You know, 1093 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: and went and did some still hunting and see if 1094 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: I can make something happen as opposed to just sitting 1095 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: there and cussing the wind. You know, that's hard to 1096 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,840 Speaker 1: do though, hard to bail on a hunt like that. 1097 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: Think it's gonna lay out and it's gonna get good, 1098 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,920 Speaker 1: or you're like the app keeps saying that it's supposed 1099 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: to be straight out, So why is it blowing out 1100 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,840 Speaker 1: of the north on me? Right now? I was tricky 1101 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 1: in that rich country is and I think that happened 1102 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: to me a couple couple of sets is where I 1103 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 1: think I was getting like a recirculating wind maybe right, 1104 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: So it's like blowing off the top of a big 1105 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,680 Speaker 1: ridge and then somehow like turning underneath itself and then 1106 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,040 Speaker 1: blowing back against it, like midway right where I was 1107 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: set up. And um, you know, obviously you're like, I'm 1108 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: like looking up this ridge expecting these deer to come 1109 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: down it towards me and the you know, the winds 1110 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: blowing right at it. Um. But yeah, hindsight, you just 1111 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: described all this prep and work it takes to get 1112 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 1: up in these trees and and moving around and whatnot. 1113 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: This is the first time this this season at least, 1114 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: has been the first year that you've tried using a 1115 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: saddle extensively like this and and been really mobile, um, 1116 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, elevated hunting from new places, hanging sticks up 1117 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 1: and down, you know, climbing up and down every hunt. 1118 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 1: What what was that like for you and and your 1119 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,880 Speaker 1: preparation leading up to it. I know you were, you know, 1120 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 1: practicing in Montana and you did some hunts out there. 1121 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: Just I'm kind of curious where your head's at and 1122 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: now having done it, used it over the course of 1123 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: a of a good rut hunt. Now what what? What 1124 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: kind of prep did you need to make it work? 1125 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,000 Speaker 1: And then when the hunt actually happened did you feel 1126 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: like you were ready for that? How did it go? Yeah? 1127 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: I shot a lot out of it, but I had 1128 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: it set up to where I could just like step 1129 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,920 Speaker 1: up onto a tree and onto the platform and clip in, 1130 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: you know, and shoot. So I felt like I did 1131 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 1: my homework there. I did my prep and I was 1132 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: ready to ready to shoot out of it. And the 1133 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 1: way I haven't set up in my house because that 1134 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make it sound like I'm getting much of an angle, 1135 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: but I've got a very steep embankment kind of gully 1136 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: at my house. So I would climb a tree that's 1137 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,040 Speaker 1: at the top of it, just like and get two 1138 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: ft off the ground and then shoot down that slope, 1139 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: which so I could shoot these like twenty yard shots 1140 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: that were it would it would be as if though 1141 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,480 Speaker 1: you were like thirty ft up in a tree, right, 1142 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: So very like steep angles, you know. And so I 1143 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: got all that practice in and I've got a full 1144 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: sized deer target. Um, you know, they'll kind of let 1145 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: me see, you know, what those arrows impact like. And 1146 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,480 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of that changes to you know, 1147 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: not I wasn't used to. That is where you know, 1148 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: you actually might have to aim a little bit higher 1149 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,040 Speaker 1: on that animal if you want to strike center of 1150 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,320 Speaker 1: the of the vitals, because as if you just hit 1151 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: the tin ring, but you're shooting from a high in 1152 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: a tree, you're probably just gonna hit one long and 1153 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: go underneath. I get long, you know. But um, otherwise, uh, 1154 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,640 Speaker 1: I probably could have done more, just like trying to 1155 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 1: get in more haunts, just like actually climbing the trees. Um, 1156 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: but I went with me. I was using those uh 1157 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 1: timber Ninja, the carbon fiber sticks and with the ropes. 1158 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: Uh initially had sent me the buckles, and then I 1159 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: saw that, like it seemed like everybody was just running 1160 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,919 Speaker 1: ropes and you can just use that very simple cow hitch, 1161 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 1: and so I just went and bought some I think 1162 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: it was like six mill static rope, and UH put 1163 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: on some chunks. And where I learned there is that 1164 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: like like I think I cut them all at seven ft. 1165 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Next year I will have probably and I was running 1166 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: four sticks. Next sure, I'll probably run three of them 1167 01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: at seven ft or maybe three of them at six 1168 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,720 Speaker 1: ft and then have one that has like maybe ten 1169 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: feet on it. Because a lot of these oaks, that 1170 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,960 Speaker 1: very first step that you attached, like I couldn't even 1171 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 1: get my arms around it, you know what I mean. 1172 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 1: And so you don't have enough cord to get around 1173 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: that sucker, You're just gonna you're gonna be s o 1174 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: l and you gotta go pick a different tree, you know, 1175 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: even if that's in the right spot. Um, but yeah, man, 1176 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's definitely a little bit of 1177 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,400 Speaker 1: a workout, you know, especially the farther apart you spread 1178 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: your sticks like, um, it takes an effort, and uh, 1179 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: but overall, Man, I enjoyed it. It's definitely like it's 1180 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,280 Speaker 1: sweet to just have the freedom, you know, to go 1181 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,520 Speaker 1: anywhere and any kind of work that you might have, 1182 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,360 Speaker 1: like you know, getting up and down trees. I think 1183 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: it's it's um outweighed by the benefit of just being 1184 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,440 Speaker 1: able to set up anywhere you want. You know, was 1185 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,440 Speaker 1: there any aha moment for you as you start doing 1186 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: it more and more where you had something click with 1187 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,760 Speaker 1: that process that made it easier or that helped you 1188 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: become more efficient? Um? I don't know. Was there any 1189 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 1: little trick to your system that ended up making things 1190 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: start flowing more smoothly? Mm hmm. Man Again, it's like 1191 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 1: you kind of as you know, we're kind of set 1192 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 1: picking trees and making sets for two people, not just one. Um, 1193 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 1: but I know that just as the week went on, 1194 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: I was much easier and quicker able to visualize, like 1195 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: where do I want my platform? What is my three 1196 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: o'clock that I'm not gonna like like that three o'clock 1197 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: is like that a that the angle or the direction 1198 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,040 Speaker 1: off the clock that you are least likely wanting to 1199 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,600 Speaker 1: take a shot right, um, and sort of visualizing that 1200 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,360 Speaker 1: and setting the sticks up and climbing the tree so 1201 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,240 Speaker 1: that when you get up there, you know, you put 1202 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 1: your you know, platform exact where it needs to be, 1203 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: and you get in there and you don't get out 1204 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,160 Speaker 1: there and go, oh no, I totally like I'm off 1205 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: by nine degrees and like where the same trail is. 1206 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: It is like not like my best shot angle, you know, 1207 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 1: or my shot position. So uh, just visualizing that, you know, 1208 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I started to come together and that was smart, um 1209 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,920 Speaker 1: knowing just like the height of like where you want 1210 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 1: to put that first step, you know, my steps had 1211 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: those eighters and I could pretty much take a step 1212 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: and like the top of it, I would like pin 1213 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 1: it to the tree with my forehead and and run 1214 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 1: it around and then pull and pull my eighter down 1215 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 1: and with the fact that it would slack a little bit, 1216 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 1: the slack would come out you know when you when 1217 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,480 Speaker 1: you step on it. That would sort of put it 1218 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,360 Speaker 1: at the right height for me to get my boot 1219 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,160 Speaker 1: into that aid and start climbing. You know, now you're 1220 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,560 Speaker 1: a decent bit taller than then Chris, who is your cameraman. 1221 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 1: Was he able to was he able to get up 1222 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,760 Speaker 1: the steps you're hanging or do you get the same 1223 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,080 Speaker 1: struggle that my caraman sometimes has with my long legged steps. 1224 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 1: Now he was fine, he was fine. Um, I would 1225 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: probably even like because what I would do is when 1226 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: you get the first one up and you're like, oh, 1227 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 1: that's not bad, and it just it's just would seem 1228 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,680 Speaker 1: as though I wouldn't be as confident setting the next 1229 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: steps as far as part using the aider to the 1230 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,720 Speaker 1: maximum advantage as I could. Um. And again, in just 1231 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: these woods and I'm hunting, I feel like getting high 1232 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: is gonna be key, um, both for wind and just 1233 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: for not being detective, because just like so many times, 1234 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,600 Speaker 1: I would just imagine, like I would look through the 1235 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,520 Speaker 1: woods and like whatever seventy yards like down a ridge 1236 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,600 Speaker 1: and be like if I was staying sitting in that 1237 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: tree right now, what would I look like? Then you 1238 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,720 Speaker 1: just imagine that, and you're like there's no cover. Like sure, 1239 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,200 Speaker 1: there's some branches and stuff sticking around, but like unless 1240 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,439 Speaker 1: you're like tucked in behind the trunk of the tree, 1241 01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: you're like sticking out, you know what I mean. So 1242 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: you can just not move, you know, and try to 1243 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: blend in. But like if you're moving around in that 1244 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: open canopy, boy, I just you know, I think getting 1245 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,960 Speaker 1: high it is important. So I'll be next year, I'll 1246 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 1: be trying to, like, you know, get the max distance 1247 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: with those steps and get up a little bit higher. Yeah, 1248 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, probably twenty you know on average, um, and 1249 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: I got we got comfortable there. But you know, when 1250 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: you're not used to that. And even though I shot 1251 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 1: hanging out of that saddle all summer, it's just like 1252 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,400 Speaker 1: it's a different feeling when you're hanging at twenty Yeah, yeah, 1253 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 1: for sure. You know. Two things on that On that note, One, 1254 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 1: you talked about how it was a struggle sometimes get 1255 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,760 Speaker 1: your step, getting your sticks the straps around those bigger 1256 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: tree trunks at the beginning of a tree at the bottom. 1257 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,680 Speaker 1: I've experienced the same thing. And so what I started 1258 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: doing this year, especially because this year I was I 1259 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,960 Speaker 1: took my mobile hunting to a different level. Two, I 1260 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,160 Speaker 1: was moving almost every day, bouncing all over the place. 1261 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: And because of that, what I ended up doing was 1262 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,920 Speaker 1: bringing two screwing steps with me as well, so I 1263 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,880 Speaker 1: would have three sticks and then two screwins that I'm 1264 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: just sticking a pocket on my backpack, so if I 1265 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,760 Speaker 1: ever you know, it ended up being very lightweight and 1266 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: not cumbersome at all. And throwing two screwins into a 1267 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,800 Speaker 1: tree is is fast and easy, and that would get 1268 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,439 Speaker 1: me past the really fat part of a trunk. So 1269 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,840 Speaker 1: then I could be I could be five ft up 1270 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,040 Speaker 1: now or whatever with just two quick screwings that I 1271 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,280 Speaker 1: do from the ground, and then once I got that 1272 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 1: high up, then the straps would fit around really easily. 1273 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,800 Speaker 1: Um So I essentially had the height of an extra 1274 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: stick and you know, something that just fit right into 1275 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: my pocket. I wouldn't want to do that with fifteen 1276 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,680 Speaker 1: screw ins and do the whole thing that that's a 1277 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,800 Speaker 1: pain in the butt, But just two of them. It 1278 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: was a nice little trick to use in certain situations. 1279 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Um yeah on the stick and and kind of back 1280 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,080 Speaker 1: to sent We had a dull one morning, and I 1281 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it, like if it totally messed up 1282 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,679 Speaker 1: my whole morning hunt. It might have played into there's 1283 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,000 Speaker 1: no way to tell because I can't tell one dough 1284 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,800 Speaker 1: from another, you unless she's got like a one one 1285 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: white eye and one black eye or something. But she 1286 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,400 Speaker 1: came in right, was she as she was supposed to 1287 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,680 Speaker 1: coming cutting across this saddle, and she gets right underneath us. 1288 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean literally underneath us. It wasn't a strong wind now, 1289 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,160 Speaker 1: I had like, I think it was only forecast to 1290 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,680 Speaker 1: be like two or three, right, But it's blown enough 1291 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,880 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't think my sense dropping straight down. 1292 01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,880 Speaker 1: But she gets next to our tree and catches something. 1293 01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,960 Speaker 1: Did she catch us like when we walked in? Was 1294 01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 1: she was that what she was smelling? Or did was 1295 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 1: she smelling my steps on the tree? I would say both. 1296 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,000 Speaker 1: It's really hard for them not to pick up your 1297 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,040 Speaker 1: ground scent. But then also imagine, you know, whatever was 1298 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,479 Speaker 1: on your boots and your bare hands or your gloved hands. 1299 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure the some scent on that, um, you know, 1300 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 1: as you're going up those steps. And then where were 1301 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,680 Speaker 1: you putting your sticks? Where those in the in the 1302 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: house or those in the bed of the truck. That 1303 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: could be a thing too, So I would guess a 1304 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 1: combination of both, probably, right. I I have wondered about 1305 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: that too. I keep my sticks and straps outside all 1306 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: the time, or at least in a borrowed or garage. Um, 1307 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: but I have wondered. You know, I know you laughed 1308 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 1: at me when I was spraying down trail cameras last fall, right, 1309 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 1: because I was touching those on my bare hands. But 1310 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:40,680 Speaker 1: I have seen so many times where if I am 1311 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,600 Speaker 1: not wearing gloves and I touched something or I or 1312 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,599 Speaker 1: I walked through a brushy grassy field, and then later 1313 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: in the day I'll see a deer walk through there 1314 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 1: and when they hit that trail or where they hit 1315 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,679 Speaker 1: where I grabbed a branch and got lazy and didn't 1316 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't careful about it. They can pick 1317 01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:01,320 Speaker 1: up on that stuff, so asked. And if it's the 1318 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,840 Speaker 1: wrong dough, you know, and then and it's the dough, 1319 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,240 Speaker 1: there's a buck behind or something when I could ruin 1320 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,720 Speaker 1: everything that one little thing. So I constantly trying to 1321 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: find these little errors like that that I can fix 1322 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,000 Speaker 1: next time. So I'm trying to make sure I'm wearing 1323 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 1: fully gloved hands when I'm walking in so I don't 1324 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: have to grab and push a branch out of the 1325 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,719 Speaker 1: way that maybe a buck will walk by and smell 1326 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: or those little tiny things can sometimes make the big difference. So, 1327 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 1: like you said, you don't know if that made a 1328 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,559 Speaker 1: difference in the long run, but it could have. Yeah, Well, 1329 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 1: so what happens is like she runs off kind of 1330 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,600 Speaker 1: the same way she came. And then like I don't know, 1331 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: a while later, hour, maybe more later down off the 1332 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:49,280 Speaker 1: saddle in this bottom below me maybe yards like mega 1333 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:55,559 Speaker 1: crashing and running chasing activity, right, and like the comment 1334 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,800 Speaker 1: or like the sort of like the path of least 1335 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,479 Speaker 1: resistance add this bottom would be up through this saddle 1336 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,519 Speaker 1: that I'm set up in. Well, like I get bits 1337 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: and pieces of deer running around there, and I finally 1338 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: catch a g limb of this box and it's probably 1339 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,200 Speaker 1: the biggest box. That is the very last morning of 1340 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,720 Speaker 1: the hunt, the biggest buck that I've had in my 1341 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,320 Speaker 1: binoculars all the whole hunt. I'm like, wow, like look 1342 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 1: at that, you know, like there's a mature one. And 1343 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: they run around down there for a little while, and 1344 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,760 Speaker 1: we're far enough away that like I wasn't worried that, 1345 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,840 Speaker 1: like they're picking picking up on us. But eventually, when 1346 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,280 Speaker 1: they're done doing their little thing in that bottom, the 1347 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: dough goes not directly away from us, but definitely like 1348 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: just climbs up and out of this bottom and goes 1349 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: to a high ridge like away from us and not 1350 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: towards us at all. Now I don't know if it 1351 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,720 Speaker 1: was the same dough and if her experience from two 1352 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 1: hours earlier, you know, like made like affected that decision 1353 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,760 Speaker 1: in that moment. But you know it's in the back 1354 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,640 Speaker 1: of my head that it could have been. Yeah, I 1355 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,840 Speaker 1: hear there. That's that's one of those things you never 1356 01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,840 Speaker 1: know what little like It's the butterfly effect. They say 1357 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,600 Speaker 1: that one little butterfly's wings could change everything. I have 1358 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,720 Speaker 1: so many moments as a hunter where I wondered, was 1359 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,160 Speaker 1: that little thing actually what resulted me not getting the shot? 1360 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: Or if I'd done this one small thing different yesterday, 1361 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,360 Speaker 1: could that have changed what happened today? You never know, um, 1362 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 1: but I do try to consider the possibilities and and 1363 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,240 Speaker 1: so what you did there, you know, consider well that 1364 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,599 Speaker 1: might have been in an impact, that might have been 1365 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,600 Speaker 1: the thing. So so tell me this then, as you 1366 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,880 Speaker 1: sat there that day and we're thinking about well, ship, 1367 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: was that my sticks or my steps that spooked that 1368 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,879 Speaker 1: dough and then led her to go the other direction? 1369 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,080 Speaker 1: Thinking is that being a possibility? Would you have done 1370 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,280 Speaker 1: anything differently now? Or do you think you try to 1371 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: do something differently next time around in any kind of 1372 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,200 Speaker 1: way with your setup or your gear something. Having the 1373 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,519 Speaker 1: fact that yes, you've had a deer that win died 1374 01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,800 Speaker 1: something down low on a day like that and maybe 1375 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,920 Speaker 1: screwed your opportunity. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. 1376 01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,559 Speaker 1: I mean all of our gear, backpack, sticks, all that stuff, 1377 01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,560 Speaker 1: if it was back at the camp, it all stayed outside, 1378 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 1: like on a deck where it was. It's like a 1379 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,720 Speaker 1: covered deck but open, you know, on three sides, so 1380 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,000 Speaker 1: it's getting plenty of you know, breeze all the time, um, 1381 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: not getting infected with smells from inside. Um. So yeah, 1382 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, what do you do? Carry 1383 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: a bottle of sent Away and just spray down your 1384 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,479 Speaker 1: your sticks as your as you put them on the tree. 1385 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Probably probably can't do that. Oh that sounds like even 1386 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,040 Speaker 1: more worth than I'm willing to do. But yeah, happy 1387 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,880 Speaker 1: that Like there's like a direct route from camp to 1388 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,560 Speaker 1: this saddle that we had said it up in that 1389 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,000 Speaker 1: would have been you know, ten minute walk, and instead 1390 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,799 Speaker 1: I did like climb the ridge kind of the opposite direction, 1391 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: walked our ridge top and came all the way around 1392 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,360 Speaker 1: and probably took me thirty to forty minutes to come 1393 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,080 Speaker 1: in from the down wind side and not come in 1394 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: where I thought the deer we're gonna be coming to 1395 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:25,000 Speaker 1: me from and that that seemed to pay off. I 1396 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,439 Speaker 1: think had I had I come through the bottom and 1397 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,559 Speaker 1: straight up into that saddle like those deer that were 1398 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,320 Speaker 1: there in there later in the morning, they wouldn't have 1399 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, they wouldn't have been in there. YEA interesting, Well, 1400 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 1: that certainly seems like the right way to go about 1401 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 1: with that access route, at least. You know. One other 1402 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,960 Speaker 1: thing I do, which you know, some people will things 1403 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,479 Speaker 1: over the top, but a lot of things I do 1404 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: are over the top. I guess, um, I spray vanilla extract. 1405 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,040 Speaker 1: It's that there's a company that makes the stuff called 1406 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,600 Speaker 1: nose Jammer. You maybe heard me talk about it, But 1407 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,280 Speaker 1: I do spray a little bit of that on like 1408 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,920 Speaker 1: right by the tree and my first step, um, every 1409 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,680 Speaker 1: time I go up, as just like it's little, you know. Basically, 1410 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,680 Speaker 1: the idea of this stuff is that it's a very 1411 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,240 Speaker 1: strong odor, kind of like the whole cover scent idea. 1412 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,800 Speaker 1: It just kind of overwhelms or roll factory system. And 1413 01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,479 Speaker 1: I have seen examples of times when I thought that 1414 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,519 Speaker 1: helped me. And so that is something I do at 1415 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,920 Speaker 1: the base of my tree, just just because you know, 1416 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: that's the spot where there's a lot of human scent 1417 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,960 Speaker 1: pooled at the bottom. Not only do you have your 1418 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,439 Speaker 1: sticks there, but when you're getting set up you know, 1419 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,760 Speaker 1: to head into or to set up your tree stand 1420 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,599 Speaker 1: or set up your sticks, you maybe had to set 1421 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,120 Speaker 1: your backpack on the ground, you have to set your 1422 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: bowl on the ground. You're standing there for a long 1423 01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,120 Speaker 1: time as you organize your gear and you get your 1424 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,160 Speaker 1: stuff prepped. So that's that point where there's a lot 1425 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:48,000 Speaker 1: of potential for contamination. Um, so doing that little sprits 1426 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,360 Speaker 1: of the of the vanilla maybe has held me a 1427 01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,000 Speaker 1: few times too, and that might be something worth considering. 1428 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,680 Speaker 1: But everyone's got away. How much junk did they want 1429 01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,519 Speaker 1: to take it with him out there? You know? How 1430 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,240 Speaker 1: much do you want to deal with? But that's that's 1431 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,960 Speaker 1: something to consider. Um, I'll definitely have that in my 1432 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 1: pack next next November. So so rewind me a little 1433 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,680 Speaker 1: bit up because you told me about the first time. 1434 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,599 Speaker 1: Now you just told me about the last time. Talked 1435 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,640 Speaker 1: me through now like day two. It sounds like day 1436 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,439 Speaker 1: two you decided to push to another spot on that 1437 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,840 Speaker 1: same oak flat. Um what else? What else happened after that? 1438 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,680 Speaker 1: I actually haunted the oak flat. The next morning. Um, 1439 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,120 Speaker 1: so day two I was, I was there at the 1440 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:36,080 Speaker 1: break of dawn, and I think that's I don't know, 1441 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,240 Speaker 1: somewhere around day two or three, like the heat was 1442 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,840 Speaker 1: like overwhelming, and we definitely started realizing that it's like 1443 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,720 Speaker 1: the deer were moving like very early and very late. 1444 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember which if that was that morning or 1445 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,360 Speaker 1: if it was a morning after that, but we literally 1446 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:57,680 Speaker 1: walked in there, red lights going, and there's there's two 1447 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,000 Speaker 1: deer like standing right there on the oak flat, you know, 1448 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,400 Speaker 1: ten yards from the tree. We get up in and 1449 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 1: so we basically just you know, stood there and let 1450 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,720 Speaker 1: them just kind of feed away. They didn't bump out 1451 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: of there get into the tree. And just as we're 1452 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: finishing setting up, it's still totally dark, like a deer walks, 1453 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, definitely within shooting distance right underneath us and 1454 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,880 Speaker 1: kind of goes the same way the other two went. 1455 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,519 Speaker 1: And then it got light and nothing, you know, like 1456 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,320 Speaker 1: absolutely just dead. Um, and so we just started I 1457 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: definitely still was starting to get the feeling like, man, 1458 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,800 Speaker 1: I gotta like I got a zero in on on 1459 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 1: something to like get a little bit closer to them, 1460 01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, or find the action. So I don't know 1461 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:46,560 Speaker 1: which day this was, but I did. I did a 1462 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: loop and found like they just cut in a new 1463 01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,559 Speaker 1: road where they're gonna get ready to do some uh logging. 1464 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 1: And so the road was fresh and soft, you know, 1465 01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,200 Speaker 1: it's like very sandy soil there. And so this road 1466 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,240 Speaker 1: is covered up in deer tracks and there's like a 1467 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,240 Speaker 1: nice buck track in there. I think I actually sent 1468 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,640 Speaker 1: you the picture of that buck track, and uh so 1469 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,479 Speaker 1: I basically just was like, okay, there's a thicket here 1470 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,320 Speaker 1: near this road. It was basically just to the north 1471 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,320 Speaker 1: side of it, and it was pretty big sized like thicket, 1472 01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,560 Speaker 1: like just thick young white pines with like interspersed just 1473 01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 1: brambles and whatnot. It seemed like a really good betting area. 1474 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,720 Speaker 1: And I just went to the downwind side of that 1475 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,080 Speaker 1: and got into the first tree act that I could 1476 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,120 Speaker 1: and climbed in there and set up. Um. Nothing popped 1477 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:39,719 Speaker 1: that night, like zero deer um. At one point, because 1478 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,960 Speaker 1: I was getting a little frustrated of like not seeing 1479 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,680 Speaker 1: enough action, UM, I just decided to, you know what, 1480 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,320 Speaker 1: instead of like trying to get somewhere and make a decision, 1481 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, in the dark, and just have like a goal, 1482 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually wait until it gets light and then 1483 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,720 Speaker 1: leave camp and literally go for a walk in the 1484 01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,000 Speaker 1: its until something tells me set up here, whether it's 1485 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,679 Speaker 1: bumping into deer, a whole bunch of tracks, fresh scrape activity, 1486 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. Because you know, I heard so much 1487 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: over the over listen to all the podcasts over the 1488 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,599 Speaker 1: months leading up to this about like during the rut, 1489 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,280 Speaker 1: if you're not in the action, then you need to 1490 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,800 Speaker 1: go find the action, right. I kept thinking, Man, if 1491 01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm not like seeing or hearing these doughs getting pushed around, 1492 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 1: or seeing the bucks looking for these dolls, like, I'm 1493 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,280 Speaker 1: just not in the zone. So the morning I did that, 1494 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,599 Speaker 1: it actually as a day as a whole, it worked 1495 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,360 Speaker 1: out good. The morning itself was kind of uneventful, and 1496 01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,559 Speaker 1: I think I didn't get into a tree and probably 1497 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:47,360 Speaker 1: till like I don't know, at least probably two hours 1498 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,679 Speaker 1: after he got daylight. But I got onto a saddle. 1499 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean I had a rough idea of the path 1500 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna take, and I get into another saddle 1501 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:59,200 Speaker 1: and there's a scrape and like in I can't remember, 1502 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,600 Speaker 1: it was in a leaf are just like in a 1503 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,640 Speaker 1: divot in I think it was on a leaf in 1504 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: the scrape, but you could like see fresh piss, you know, 1505 01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,920 Speaker 1: on this scrape. Sweet like this is like this is 1506 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,960 Speaker 1: good right saddle and I scrape got some fresh piss 1507 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,160 Speaker 1: in it. So I got into a tree, had a 1508 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,280 Speaker 1: nice white pine next to me. Get in there and 1509 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,640 Speaker 1: I have a dough come in and bed down like 1510 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, seventy eight yards from us on the 1511 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,120 Speaker 1: on kind of saddle, but just on the on the 1512 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,640 Speaker 1: least side of it. And I'm thinking, jeez, like this 1513 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 1: is gonna work out, you know. Well, the whole day 1514 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,720 Speaker 1: goes by nothing nothing, not quite the whole day. But 1515 01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 1: it's getting like mid afternoon, like nothing, no action. I'm like, 1516 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,800 Speaker 1: all right, we're moving. I get down. Chris is still 1517 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 1: in the tree and no sooner do I like get 1518 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,120 Speaker 1: put my both feet on the ground. He's like there's 1519 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,880 Speaker 1: a book. I'm like, oh my god. Well it turned 1520 01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 1: out to be a small box, but still like a buck. Nonetheless, 1521 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,679 Speaker 1: we let him pass. I'm like, all right, let's see 1522 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,920 Speaker 1: if something shakes out the bed. A dode gotten up 1523 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,599 Speaker 1: at some point and just kind of wandered off. Um, 1524 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 1: So I got back up for another hour nothing. We 1525 01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: get down and just the way I decided to go 1526 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,599 Speaker 1: down this ridge, it's kind of I was going from 1527 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,839 Speaker 1: a saddle to like one of these three way spots 1528 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,599 Speaker 1: where like a ridge splits kind of and we get 1529 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,960 Speaker 1: there and it's like fresh rub central and I'm like sweet, 1530 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,240 Speaker 1: Like this looks good, you know, like stuff is crossing 1531 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,599 Speaker 1: through here. Get up into it, Get up into a tree, 1532 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:45,839 Speaker 1: and it's dead until like literally the last twenty minutes 1533 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,240 Speaker 1: of the day, where it's already kind of getting dark 1534 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,160 Speaker 1: and you're starting to like look at your pins, going, man, 1535 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,880 Speaker 1: can I make a shot? That's when the first buck 1536 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:58,280 Speaker 1: comes through and he was like a He's definitely kind 1537 01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,320 Speaker 1: of a scraggling eight. But at that point I'm like, man, 1538 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm shooting if I get a chance, and he actually 1539 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,360 Speaker 1: stops where I had a shot opportunity, but there was 1540 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,559 Speaker 1: like one just limb that I hadn't cut out during 1541 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,600 Speaker 1: my quick prep and it's like going right across his 1542 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,800 Speaker 1: body and I just don't have it. But I get 1543 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,600 Speaker 1: drawn back and he's like he starts walking again, and 1544 01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,920 Speaker 1: just like it's thick, thick, thick, And then there's like 1545 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,720 Speaker 1: a couple of shooting lanes and I try to give 1546 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,800 Speaker 1: him the you know map sound a few times, and 1547 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,880 Speaker 1: he just keeps on moving like he just he definitely 1548 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,760 Speaker 1: had a plan in his head, you know. He the 1549 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,479 Speaker 1: whole encounter lasted like twenty seconds. It was fast. Well, 1550 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,080 Speaker 1: then like ten minutes later, it's even darker, and literally 1551 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,960 Speaker 1: from the same direction that that buck just went. A 1552 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:51,160 Speaker 1: different buck just like an an eight pointer, comes almost 1553 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,000 Speaker 1: on the exact same trail. So I'm able to get 1554 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,439 Speaker 1: drawn back because he's coming through like the stiff, thick stuff, right, 1555 01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have a shot earlier, and I'm hoping for 1556 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,439 Speaker 1: him to pop up like same place that first bucket 1557 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of stopped in the open shooting lane, and for 1558 01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,000 Speaker 1: whatever reason, when he pops up, like instead of being 1559 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,360 Speaker 1: at like thirty, he's more in that like forty yard range, 1560 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,519 Speaker 1: and just like nothing I can do about it, you know. 1561 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,280 Speaker 1: I let him go and then grunted at him, and 1562 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,479 Speaker 1: it kind of seemed like he half circled towards me 1563 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, but eventually he just faded away. Um 1564 01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: So I felt good about like the way that day 1565 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,160 Speaker 1: played out and the decision I had made. You know, 1566 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,720 Speaker 1: it's like found signed set up like even though that 1567 01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,960 Speaker 1: didn't work out. I moved and and then I only 1568 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,840 Speaker 1: moved like two yards between where that scrape was with 1569 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,240 Speaker 1: the with the fresh pists in it to where all 1570 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,360 Speaker 1: these rubs were on this like ridge intersection was only 1571 01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,880 Speaker 1: a couple of hundred yards and um, you know, lo 1572 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,320 Speaker 1: and behold, like two bucks you know, came by me. 1573 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:59,479 Speaker 1: Um and then like that's probably where where like I 1574 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,120 Speaker 1: started of like having because it sounds like I'm having 1575 01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,040 Speaker 1: like retelling this story. I'm like, well, jeez, sounds like 1576 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,519 Speaker 1: you're having a bunch of action the moment you're like, well, 1577 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,360 Speaker 1: we sat all day and then right a dark it 1578 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,120 Speaker 1: was like two bucks that scurried by. For whatever reason, 1579 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:20,760 Speaker 1: I never sat that spot again. Hm. I mean it's 1580 01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,960 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say, but I guess depends on 1581 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,200 Speaker 1: what you went on to do later. Um. But if 1582 01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,280 Speaker 1: you had a terrain feature which sounds like a couple 1583 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 1: of ridge ridges coming together with the fresh sign and 1584 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,559 Speaker 1: then you saw two bucks cruising through it last light, 1585 01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,240 Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like something I would try again, um, 1586 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,920 Speaker 1: especially given the weather. So the big thing I saw 1587 01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,800 Speaker 1: during that same week was what you just described, which 1588 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: was zero activity throughout the heat of the day and 1589 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,120 Speaker 1: then a bunch of it the last twenty minutes. Um. 1590 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,960 Speaker 1: And so in that case, because the last twenty minutes 1591 01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,760 Speaker 1: with that weather is essentially your whole day, UM, it 1592 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,200 Speaker 1: might have been worth trying to get end because you 1593 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,080 Speaker 1: certainly had some pieces of puzzle working out there. Why 1594 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't you because it was just slower through the rest 1595 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,400 Speaker 1: of the day, um, Or did you have another plan? 1596 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:17,200 Speaker 1: You know? I want to say that was like far 1597 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,519 Speaker 1: enough into the hunt where we basically had I hunted 1598 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,320 Speaker 1: seven and a half days, and I want to say 1599 01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:29,200 Speaker 1: we had four days of like that miserable heat, hot weather, 1600 01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,000 Speaker 1: and then we had a day of rain, and I 1601 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,960 Speaker 1: think that rain was coming on the heels of this, right, 1602 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,240 Speaker 1: and so this is kind of like I was gonna do, 1603 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,840 Speaker 1: like what would Mark Kenyan do in this situation. We 1604 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:46,439 Speaker 1: had a river's edge pop up line set up, and um, 1605 01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,200 Speaker 1: there's enough, there's a room for two people, and so 1606 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:57,120 Speaker 1: it was gonna rain enough to where it's like, especially 1607 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,760 Speaker 1: again with cameras, it's like I probably could have made 1608 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: it by myself in a tree and just stuck it out, 1609 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,360 Speaker 1: but with the camera were like, you know what, let's 1610 01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,559 Speaker 1: just go and sit and stay dry and hopefully something 1611 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,920 Speaker 1: will happen. And we had like a small box passes 1612 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,639 Speaker 1: by like a hundred yards and it's just funny. It's 1613 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,680 Speaker 1: like this thing set on like a the corner of 1614 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,680 Speaker 1: this cornfield and we had a camera there and then 1615 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,000 Speaker 1: there's been does you know enough doughs there in that 1616 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,439 Speaker 1: zone where I was like feeling pretty good about it. 1617 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:34,360 Speaker 1: But that morning zero um, midday, I think like three 1618 01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,760 Speaker 1: or four dolls pop out. They go back into the 1619 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,800 Speaker 1: woods and we kind of see them trickle off up 1620 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,000 Speaker 1: a ridge um, which was interesting to me to see, 1621 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:47,680 Speaker 1: like doz hit a corn field at like two and 1622 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,640 Speaker 1: then not just stay out there like I would have 1623 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,880 Speaker 1: thought they were just gonna be out there for the 1624 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,000 Speaker 1: rest of the evening, but instead they actually went back 1625 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,200 Speaker 1: into the woods and then went upper ridge, like up 1626 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,360 Speaker 1: into the big woods. So I don't know, I don't 1627 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,200 Speaker 1: have no idea why they were doing that, Like was 1628 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,640 Speaker 1: there were they going after acorns up there? Like it 1629 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:09,040 Speaker 1: was there not enough corn in the field. Um, didn't 1630 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: make sense to me. Interesting, I would say, one thing 1631 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:17,600 Speaker 1: I would think is that I do see something like 1632 01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:23,240 Speaker 1: this and that dear they require and desire diversity and 1633 01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,240 Speaker 1: what they're gonna eat so throughout that you know, they're 1634 01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,439 Speaker 1: just not going to stick it on one thing forever. 1635 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,639 Speaker 1: They're going to constantly want to get some other options 1636 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,679 Speaker 1: in there. So I'm not surprised entirely that that early 1637 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,000 Speaker 1: in the day that they would be bouncing from thing 1638 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: to thing, and with with all those oaks that you described, Um, 1639 01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 1: I gotta believe that was a big part of what 1640 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,880 Speaker 1: they're eating. But but yeah, that is interesting to see 1641 01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:53,760 Speaker 1: them go out there for so little time. Um, it 1642 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,479 Speaker 1: was cool that rain day. Unfortunately was on the neighbors 1643 01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't have permission to hunt over there, but 1644 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,080 Speaker 1: I did get to see out in the rain kind 1645 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,040 Speaker 1: of late afternoon, like a pretty nice shooter buck tending 1646 01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 1: to a dough and just very much on lockdown. Like 1647 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:13,000 Speaker 1: they popped out of like a little thicket. Um that's 1648 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,439 Speaker 1: right off the side of the road. They fed out 1649 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,800 Speaker 1: there for an hour. He was pretty much just you know, 1650 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,880 Speaker 1: just watching her, and then they kind of disappeared right 1651 01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:26,800 Speaker 1: back into the thicket. Uh. And I think that was 1652 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,960 Speaker 1: the evening where it finally kind of the rain showed 1653 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,639 Speaker 1: out enough where I'm like, you know what, I'm done 1654 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,200 Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm just gonna go for a little walk, 1655 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,240 Speaker 1: and uh, I kind of went for a walk, and 1656 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,320 Speaker 1: then for the last maybe hour, I basically just stepped 1657 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 1: off the side of a trail and just kind of 1658 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,679 Speaker 1: stood there, you know, fairly well concealed, thinking that hey, 1659 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, never know, like a deer might just come 1660 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,920 Speaker 1: walking right down um this trail that I was walking up, 1661 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, but nothing panned out, So I don't know. 1662 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,000 Speaker 1: We talked about this before we started. Is like the 1663 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 1: reason I probably didn't go back to that spot that 1664 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,200 Speaker 1: had a bunch of fresh rubs and I saw two 1665 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,719 Speaker 1: bucks one night is that like I had four acres 1666 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,080 Speaker 1: to hunt, and it was almost like I had too 1667 01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,640 Speaker 1: much to hunt, and so you know, you kind of 1668 01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm like I gotta hit it all. I gotta sit 1669 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,280 Speaker 1: on every ridge top and the bottom of every bowl 1670 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:24,639 Speaker 1: one time. So so you just kept pushing into new spots. 1671 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,720 Speaker 1: And after that, well, like I said, I did hunt 1672 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:34,520 Speaker 1: that oak flat like probably two evenings and three mornings. 1673 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:40,720 Speaker 1: I think, Um, I kept I can tell you, like 1674 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I kept thinking like it's weird because you're like in 1675 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,479 Speaker 1: this country, You're like, am I gonna hunt on the 1676 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,920 Speaker 1: ridge top or am I gonna hunt in the bottom 1677 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,000 Speaker 1: because it doesn't really seem You told me about this 1678 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,040 Speaker 1: when we were talking about Prepper for this hunt this summer, 1679 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,200 Speaker 1: about how like in that hill country, a lot of 1680 01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:58,000 Speaker 1: these bucks like to run like a third of the 1681 01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,400 Speaker 1: way down the ridge, right, Yeah, that's the side tell. 1682 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,640 Speaker 1: These ridges are almost so steep where it seems like 1683 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,960 Speaker 1: I kept thinking that was going through my mind, and 1684 01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,000 Speaker 1: maybe I just wasn't like looking at it right. Maybe 1685 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,519 Speaker 1: I was thinking just like I should have been a 1686 01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,080 Speaker 1: third of the way down, like lengthwise on the ridge, 1687 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,000 Speaker 1: like where a ridge goes from high to low a 1688 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,559 Speaker 1: little bit, and set up kind of there where they 1689 01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:22,160 Speaker 1: might kind of like again cross the ridge as their 1690 01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,080 Speaker 1: side hilling. But a lot of these ridges, when you're 1691 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,120 Speaker 1: looking at if you just go and set up, let's 1692 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,120 Speaker 1: say it's a three ft ridge and you go instead 1693 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:33,240 Speaker 1: of a hundred feet down, like it's so steep that 1694 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:38,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna be, you're gonna have like a perfectly perpendicular 1695 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,679 Speaker 1: or parallel to gravity shot to the hillside right next 1696 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,960 Speaker 1: to you, you know what I mean. It's like it 1697 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,360 Speaker 1: just didn't make sense to set up like that. Um 1698 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,519 Speaker 1: So I kept thinking, like, man, the bottoms must be 1699 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,559 Speaker 1: where it's at, because I'm just not seeing the deer 1700 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,800 Speaker 1: moving that much during the day up top. Maybe it's 1701 01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,000 Speaker 1: somehow cooler in the bottoms, you know, maybe that's where 1702 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,040 Speaker 1: there's more just thick bedding cover. But man, every time 1703 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,760 Speaker 1: I went into the bottom, I just seemed felt like 1704 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,240 Speaker 1: I was getting hosed by the wind. Yeah. I already 1705 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,519 Speaker 1: explained that one set up where I just felt like 1706 01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,559 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be bowing south and I felt 1707 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,800 Speaker 1: like it was it literally blew north the whole time 1708 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,120 Speaker 1: and just totally screwed my evening hunt. And then every 1709 01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,760 Speaker 1: time I was just popping in these bottoms, it's just 1710 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,960 Speaker 1: like it's I couldn't trust it like I could trust 1711 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,479 Speaker 1: it on a ridge top, and it made me. It 1712 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,479 Speaker 1: pulled me to those ridge tops where I'm like, you 1713 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,679 Speaker 1: know what, even if I'm not seeing as many deer, 1714 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,559 Speaker 1: like if I at least if I see one up here, 1715 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,640 Speaker 1: like it's gonna if it comes when I think it's 1716 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna come, the wind's not gonna hose me. Yeah, And 1717 01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,200 Speaker 1: that seems I mean, that's pretty consistent both from what 1718 01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,160 Speaker 1: I've experienced. And then a lot of guys you talked 1719 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,160 Speaker 1: to those bottoms are they are where dear want to 1720 01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,960 Speaker 1: be a lot of the time because that effect you 1721 01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,680 Speaker 1: just described, the fact that the wind does pool down there, 1722 01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,320 Speaker 1: it swirls down there. Uh, they can win a lot 1723 01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,880 Speaker 1: of stuff going on, but really hard to hunt. Um. 1724 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,280 Speaker 1: The only thing I found is sometimes you can find 1725 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,679 Speaker 1: with certain features there will be like one wind direction 1726 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,439 Speaker 1: where you will get consistent winds. You can sometimes get 1727 01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:15,960 Speaker 1: away with it, Like there might be a valley with 1728 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,519 Speaker 1: little bowls coming off the side, but that valley runs 1729 01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:23,519 Speaker 1: let's say, you know, from northeast to southwest, and if 1730 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,160 Speaker 1: you happen to get a wind that blows straight on 1731 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,080 Speaker 1: that angle, it doesn't spin around, and you'll get that 1732 01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,240 Speaker 1: one consistent. But you have to kind of know that 1733 01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,439 Speaker 1: from experience to know the little those little edges you 1734 01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,280 Speaker 1: can cut on days like that. So I don't think 1735 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,200 Speaker 1: you made a bad decision trying to play a safer 1736 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,880 Speaker 1: with a wind that probably is the better bet. Nine 1737 01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:50,519 Speaker 1: times that attend that kind of situation, did you did 1738 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,360 Speaker 1: you find yourself once you got to those last couple 1739 01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,719 Speaker 1: of days, though, wanting to throw caution to the wind 1740 01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,759 Speaker 1: for lack of better term, and conduce hail Mary stuff 1741 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:06,040 Speaker 1: like that. You know, I think what sort of educated 1742 01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:07,960 Speaker 1: the last two days, because I think we had the 1743 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,920 Speaker 1: rain day and then I think I had a one 1744 01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,120 Speaker 1: full day of like good cool at Tempts, and then 1745 01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,960 Speaker 1: I had a half day after that. And I'm trying 1746 01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,920 Speaker 1: to think where I started. Oh, I started on the 1747 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:26,479 Speaker 1: oak flat in the morning and Chris my my camera guy, 1748 01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,160 Speaker 1: was like, we should see here all the day, we 1749 01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,840 Speaker 1: should see here all day. I'm like, nope, it didn't happened. 1750 01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like I'm out of here. And again I 1751 01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,800 Speaker 1: had some spots in mine and we slid down into 1752 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,320 Speaker 1: a saddle that was kind of like a it's like 1753 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,720 Speaker 1: a subridge um and I get into the saddle and 1754 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,320 Speaker 1: right as we were kind of entering the saddle, I 1755 01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,320 Speaker 1: bumped I don't know, three or four dolls in a buck. 1756 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,040 Speaker 1: Couldn't really tell how big he was, maybe a shooter 1757 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,400 Speaker 1: or maybe not, but they're they're just off the side 1758 01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,200 Speaker 1: of the saddle, kind of in the bottom. And again 1759 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,679 Speaker 1: didn't bump real hard. I think they armped on seeing 1760 01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:02,680 Speaker 1: or hearing us. And that was the other thing. Man, 1761 01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,400 Speaker 1: It was so dry that those woods were so loud 1762 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,960 Speaker 1: that like it was even hard to tell if you 1763 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,200 Speaker 1: were going to bump anything, because they were gonna hear 1764 01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,920 Speaker 1: you a hundred yards away and they could just sneak away, 1765 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I bumped him, but 1766 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,599 Speaker 1: then I could like still see a dough as she's 1767 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,439 Speaker 1: like kind of doesn't know what's going on, she's feeding. 1768 01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,160 Speaker 1: She kind of just walks away, something like perfect, I'm 1769 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:29,360 Speaker 1: in the saddle. We're setting up here, set up and 1770 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,600 Speaker 1: and get the saddle. Was kind of closer to some 1771 01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,120 Speaker 1: of this agg than, uh than a lot of other 1772 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,880 Speaker 1: stuff I was hunting, and uh, I set up and 1773 01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't think anything happened that evening. But then the 1774 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,200 Speaker 1: next morning, you know, it was the last morning I 1775 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,720 Speaker 1: told you about where I had like the dough right 1776 01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,160 Speaker 1: at first light, and then an hour later I had 1777 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,240 Speaker 1: the buck pushing the go around and there was like 1778 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,800 Speaker 1: a little a small buck in and the monks them too. 1779 01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,600 Speaker 1: So that wasn't That was a day where I had 1780 01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,960 Speaker 1: I was so confident that spot and it just look 1781 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,519 Speaker 1: good because it's just, you know, such a good saddle, 1782 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,040 Speaker 1: and I had like a good thick looking betting area 1783 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,519 Speaker 1: off to one side of it. I'm like, I'm just 1784 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,760 Speaker 1: leaving the setup, you know, and number is gonna come 1785 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,080 Speaker 1: back here in the morning and hunt it, and um, 1786 01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,160 Speaker 1: you know it paid off. I mean I definitely got 1787 01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,800 Speaker 1: a view of, like, you know, a real good buck. Um, 1788 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,840 Speaker 1: he just didn't walk underneath my stand. So what we're 1789 01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:31,800 Speaker 1: what were the questions you had out of the hunt, 1790 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,840 Speaker 1: like did you did you the hunt wrapped up? And 1791 01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:35,840 Speaker 1: did you find yourself like damn, should I have done 1792 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,680 Speaker 1: this different? Or was this did do this wrong? Or 1793 01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,200 Speaker 1: did you did your head away from it thinking I 1794 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,720 Speaker 1: just you know, I just needed more time? Or what 1795 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,040 Speaker 1: was your thought process at that point? Oh man? All 1796 01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:54,439 Speaker 1: the above? Um, certainly could you. I mean it's so 1797 01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,360 Speaker 1: hard to tell to you because it's like you go 1798 01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,679 Speaker 1: and hunt the rut and it's like you have highs 1799 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,880 Speaker 1: that were like almost reaching seventy in November. It's just 1800 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,360 Speaker 1: like not normal, you know what I mean. So it's 1801 01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,040 Speaker 1: like it's really hard to like extraculate much when you're like, 1802 01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,920 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I remember that. It is like you could 1803 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,720 Speaker 1: hunt it in a T shirt the whole time, you know. Um, 1804 01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:25,559 Speaker 1: But you know, I think trying to get more out 1805 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:30,439 Speaker 1: of my trail cameras would be like sometimes it's funny 1806 01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,920 Speaker 1: before you start using them, you're like, oh man, it's 1807 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna be so easy. If you just get trail cameras 1808 01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,960 Speaker 1: up everywhere, you'll know that that box is here at 1809 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,240 Speaker 1: one pm, then he's here at two pm, and then 1810 01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,120 Speaker 1: they're at three. And if you set up in this tree, 1811 01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:46,120 Speaker 1: you know what met you. And it's just not like 1812 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:50,320 Speaker 1: that great big buck that we had on camera. We 1813 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,840 Speaker 1: had had him only on camera maybe one time during 1814 01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,760 Speaker 1: daylight leading up to the season, but during season, I mean, 1815 01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,240 Speaker 1: he was like running. He was probably the closest buck 1816 01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:04,200 Speaker 1: to where we were sleeping um that we were hunting, 1817 01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,519 Speaker 1: like like literally sometimes crossing, kept cutting his tracks like 1818 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,840 Speaker 1: less than yards from the camp itself, but we only 1819 01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:17,479 Speaker 1: caught him on camera at night, you know. So it's 1820 01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,120 Speaker 1: like I don't even know if that if if I 1821 01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,760 Speaker 1: would have sat on his travel route for seven days, 1822 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if it would have paid off because 1823 01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,519 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that buck moved during the 1824 01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,880 Speaker 1: daylight during that week, you know, even though it was 1825 01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:35,160 Speaker 1: November five, twelve. Yeah, trail cameras can only tell you 1826 01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:39,880 Speaker 1: about one little snippet of time. And and the other 1827 01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,320 Speaker 1: thing is that they only tell you what's you know, 1828 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,439 Speaker 1: in front of you at that one angle, you know, 1829 01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,400 Speaker 1: there's there's a whole lot of space around that camera 1830 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,679 Speaker 1: that these bucks could be passing through and hanging out 1831 01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,960 Speaker 1: and spending time and going just twenty yards of the 1832 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,800 Speaker 1: direction and you would never know it. So they give 1833 01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:59,479 Speaker 1: you this little glimpse, but it is far from all knowing. Um. 1834 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:04,000 Speaker 1: And I keep finding year for a year that the 1835 01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:08,160 Speaker 1: less I depend on them the better, usually because when 1836 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,439 Speaker 1: you become too dependent on them, I think you get 1837 01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,080 Speaker 1: your judgment becomes clouded by this like my opic view, 1838 01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Like you get you're looking at the world through a straw, 1839 01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,960 Speaker 1: and you need to look at the world at a 1840 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:24,000 Speaker 1: much higher level when making these decisions. They they should 1841 01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:28,839 Speaker 1: inform you. But if you only let that dictate your strategy, 1842 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:34,679 Speaker 1: I think you really put yourself in Um, You're you're 1843 01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,040 Speaker 1: just handicapping yourself if you do that. So it doesn't 1844 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 1: sound like you did that though. I like the way 1845 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,040 Speaker 1: that you were, you know, looking for sign trying to 1846 01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,840 Speaker 1: find the action, especially given the fact that you didn't 1847 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,960 Speaker 1: really have a ton of historical knowledge about what they're 1848 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,080 Speaker 1: doing at that time of year across the place like this, 1849 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,800 Speaker 1: and you know, going in relatively blind. I think it 1850 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,120 Speaker 1: was smart that you moved around key did on stuff. 1851 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:02,120 Speaker 1: One thing I was cure us about was just how 1852 01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,559 Speaker 1: does factored into your hunting. You know, you were looking 1853 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,280 Speaker 1: for sign Excuse me, but did you did you ever 1854 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,920 Speaker 1: find anywhere that had the most consistent dough activity, Because 1855 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,800 Speaker 1: that's the one other thing that you know, from from 1856 01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,160 Speaker 1: an outside perspective, I would have said, Man, if there 1857 01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:23,040 Speaker 1: was anywhere the head that consistent doe group, you know, 1858 01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,439 Speaker 1: betting or feeding, I would have camped there to a 1859 01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,760 Speaker 1: degree to because that's the one other thing that in 1860 01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,360 Speaker 1: big country like this, if you can find that, it 1861 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:36,040 Speaker 1: can somehow, you know, you know, tighten what you need 1862 01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,920 Speaker 1: to focus on. You know, the only place we were 1863 01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,080 Speaker 1: seeing it, both just by through our own eyes and 1864 01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,320 Speaker 1: through the camera were kind of on that corn field 1865 01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,240 Speaker 1: edge there. And I probably didn't hunt down there quite 1866 01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,759 Speaker 1: as much because we had more of the tree stands 1867 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,040 Speaker 1: that were set up for my dad in that zone, 1868 01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,280 Speaker 1: and so I was letting him, you know, hunt those 1869 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,479 Speaker 1: spots a little like that, just that general area, more 1870 01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:08,240 Speaker 1: than I was um And again they were sort of 1871 01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,600 Speaker 1: at the bottom and the toe of this hill, and 1872 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,200 Speaker 1: I was just getting so burned by you know, the 1873 01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,840 Speaker 1: wind hunting the bottoms of those hills. That was probably 1874 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,720 Speaker 1: scared a little bit of that, but like, yeah, there 1875 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,960 Speaker 1: what I can't say, you know, besides that one road 1876 01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,240 Speaker 1: that I cut across. And again it's hard to stay 1877 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,800 Speaker 1: there too because it's like, well, finally you have like 1878 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,960 Speaker 1: this medium that will show you a bunch of tracks 1879 01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,639 Speaker 1: because it's not hard or it's not covered in leaves, 1880 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,080 Speaker 1: it's not covered in grass, and you're like, oh my god, 1881 01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,639 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of deer tracks. But you wonder if 1882 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:45,400 Speaker 1: the whole forest floor on acres looked like this freshly graded, 1883 01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, soft sandy dirt road, you probably find that 1884 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,840 Speaker 1: all over the place, right, Well, it kind of you know, 1885 01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,640 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, tracks, but then you gotta think, you like, 1886 01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:01,600 Speaker 1: but it's hard to see the tracks because there's just 1887 01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,160 Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of places that just show tracks 1888 01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:09,760 Speaker 1: like that, Like I know, hunting Doug Dern's um a 1889 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,040 Speaker 1: lot of times you just cut these tracks where they're 1890 01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:14,160 Speaker 1: coming out of the woods and and coming out of 1891 01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,799 Speaker 1: like corners or you know, some sort of strained feature 1892 01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,320 Speaker 1: that that funnels them and and there's a there's a 1893 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,320 Speaker 1: trail that spits them out into a big field, and man, 1894 01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,040 Speaker 1: like my kids could walk down there and be like, 1895 01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:28,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a deer trail, you know what 1896 01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Like you don't have to be sure like Holmes, 1897 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,479 Speaker 1: but I feel like in this country you so rarely 1898 01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:39,120 Speaker 1: get that. It's just those trails are You're like, anytime 1899 01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:40,720 Speaker 1: you're on a ridge top, you're like, sure, there's a 1900 01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,200 Speaker 1: deer trail running down the middle of this thing, But 1901 01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:46,920 Speaker 1: like every ridge top has that, you know what I mean. 1902 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:49,960 Speaker 1: It's never like you're just like looking at that one 1903 01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,000 Speaker 1: muddy trail and you're like, holy cow, look at the 1904 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,360 Speaker 1: deer traveling down this thing. You know they've got to 1905 01:42:56,439 --> 01:43:00,880 Speaker 1: run it out. Um. And again, maybe I'm just making 1906 01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,200 Speaker 1: excuses and not able to you know, read the sign 1907 01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,160 Speaker 1: properly up there, But I don't know, when it's six 1908 01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:10,120 Speaker 1: inches of oak leaves on the ground, how do you 1909 01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,360 Speaker 1: find a trail. They're very at least from my experience, 1910 01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,680 Speaker 1: you're very rarely going to get what you described at 1911 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,599 Speaker 1: Dougs and and you have to just rely on those 1912 01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:25,000 Speaker 1: those lightly just just seeing where the leaves are kicked up, 1913 01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,799 Speaker 1: and and then depending on sightings and sign to determine 1914 01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,960 Speaker 1: if it is well used. But it sounds like this 1915 01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,920 Speaker 1: wasn't a super high deer density area anyways, so you 1916 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,479 Speaker 1: probably weren't going to get to those pounded cow trails 1917 01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:41,160 Speaker 1: no matter what. No, And we know that you know 1918 01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:43,200 Speaker 1: where dogs areas, right, I mean, it's some of the 1919 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,360 Speaker 1: highest deer density probably in the state of Wisconsin, right man. 1920 01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:48,800 Speaker 1: That's one of the tough things when you get in 1921 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:54,400 Speaker 1: one of those lower deer density areas where there's the 1922 01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:57,080 Speaker 1: one school of thought like you described in which some 1923 01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,479 Speaker 1: folks in the podcast you know, talked out, which is 1924 01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,519 Speaker 1: if you're not in the action, move to get to it. 1925 01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,840 Speaker 1: So there's that school thought. But when you're in these 1926 01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,519 Speaker 1: lower deer density areas, you know there's not a whole 1927 01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,120 Speaker 1: lot of action to be had, and sometimes you know 1928 01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,320 Speaker 1: there won't be any dear action anywhere. You count for 1929 01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,160 Speaker 1: several days or at least relatively few, until you wait 1930 01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,960 Speaker 1: it out. So sometimes it's a matter of finding the 1931 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:30,320 Speaker 1: spot and knowing that, Okay, this has the ingredients I 1932 01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,000 Speaker 1: need and it's the right time of year for this spot. 1933 01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,519 Speaker 1: If I give it three days, eventually something will come 1934 01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:39,280 Speaker 1: through here. But I have to give it that three 1935 01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:42,720 Speaker 1: days for that to happen. Um, But it takes a 1936 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,479 Speaker 1: certain amount of comfort and experience in a place to 1937 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,160 Speaker 1: know that. It's really hard to make that guess without 1938 01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,679 Speaker 1: having the experience that tells you these kinds of spots 1939 01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:53,559 Speaker 1: are where you need to put the time, because sometimes 1940 01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,760 Speaker 1: you get a camp, sometimes you get a move. And 1941 01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,160 Speaker 1: I dealt with that a lot um this year myself, 1942 01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,519 Speaker 1: where first I was like, Okay, I got to bounce 1943 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,040 Speaker 1: from here to here and keep moving, keep moving. But eventually, 1944 01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:06,840 Speaker 1: on the tail end of my rut on some of 1945 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:11,040 Speaker 1: my Michigan spots, I realized that you can sometimes get 1946 01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:12,639 Speaker 1: to the point where you're chasing your tail a little 1947 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:14,360 Speaker 1: bit too much. And if you find those few key 1948 01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,160 Speaker 1: places and if you can hunt it without buggering it 1949 01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,920 Speaker 1: up too much, you do need to put in some 1950 01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,040 Speaker 1: volume in your few key spots to allow the randomness 1951 01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:29,679 Speaker 1: to finally work into your favor. Um walking that lines 1952 01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,000 Speaker 1: the trick. That's that's the tough part is knowing when 1953 01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,840 Speaker 1: to go those two directions. One of those two directions. Yeah, like, 1954 01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:39,880 Speaker 1: I like I like that Buck. The first night on 1955 01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,880 Speaker 1: the Oak Flat smelled me like hardcore, right, Like, I mean, 1956 01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:46,120 Speaker 1: he just gotta win nose full, and three bounds later 1957 01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:49,640 Speaker 1: he was out of my life. I never saw him 1958 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,360 Speaker 1: again up there. Like when you spook a buck like 1959 01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,680 Speaker 1: that and he wins you. You know, even if it is, 1960 01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, the middle of the rut, like should I 1961 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,439 Speaker 1: just had given up on that spot because I'm like, 1962 01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, how many bucks are gonna 1963 01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,599 Speaker 1: be coming through here? That's the question too. It's like, well, whatever, 1964 01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,000 Speaker 1: you just bumped one out there, there should be at 1965 01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:09,960 Speaker 1: least two others are gonna cross come through here in 1966 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,000 Speaker 1: the next two days, right, Yeah, I would have thought 1967 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. Yes, he might be less likely to 1968 01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,439 Speaker 1: come through there, but there's other bucks I would have 1969 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,280 Speaker 1: I would have not felt bad at all about focusing 1970 01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:25,600 Speaker 1: on that. And even even with a buck winning you 1971 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,920 Speaker 1: that one time during the rut, you know, if the 1972 01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,160 Speaker 1: right lady comes through, I think they look past it. 1973 01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean I saw that this year that I had 1974 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:36,880 Speaker 1: a buck win me um and then you know, hours 1975 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,040 Speaker 1: later where it's a hot dough and he was right 1976 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,599 Speaker 1: back in the general area because the right dough was there. 1977 01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,920 Speaker 1: So you know, the rut does crazy things. Sometimes you 1978 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:51,439 Speaker 1: gotta put the put the overthinking glasses aside and just 1979 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,519 Speaker 1: realize that you gotta let mother nature do its work 1980 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,800 Speaker 1: sometimes too well. I did that definitely kept me in 1981 01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:03,520 Speaker 1: the woods, and it kept me, you know, thinking optimistically. 1982 01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a word, thinking positively, being 1983 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,639 Speaker 1: an optimist. It was just that, like keep telling yourself 1984 01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:13,680 Speaker 1: it's a rot. It can happen any moment, just like 1985 01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,320 Speaker 1: be in the woods and keep sitting still, you know, 1986 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,240 Speaker 1: be in the woods, being the woods. What would you 1987 01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,400 Speaker 1: do anything differently now when you when you look back 1988 01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,000 Speaker 1: and think it through, are there any clear things? I 1989 01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,920 Speaker 1: know that for me, one thing I try to do 1990 01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:30,280 Speaker 1: after a trip or hunt or a season is I 1991 01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:34,400 Speaker 1: will try to identify just two things, because it's it's 1992 01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:36,880 Speaker 1: really easy to list off a whole bunch of stuff 1993 01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:40,000 Speaker 1: I did wrong, but then be overwhelmed by all those 1994 01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,360 Speaker 1: things and never be able to actually take action on it. 1995 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,040 Speaker 1: But if I narrow it down to the two most 1996 01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:48,320 Speaker 1: important things, then I can actually do something with that 1997 01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,400 Speaker 1: and remember it and focus on that. Is there. If 1998 01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:54,559 Speaker 1: you had to pick two things you would do differently 1999 01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,320 Speaker 1: or try to do differently this next time, what do 2000 01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:02,160 Speaker 1: you think that would be? M m m M. I 2001 01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:07,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I mean kind of sorry, yeah, 2002 01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:09,719 Speaker 1: I mean I guess one thing would be tree prep 2003 01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:14,120 Speaker 1: right for the saddle, like even though you can just 2004 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:17,960 Speaker 1: move anywhere you want with that saddle. And again maybe 2005 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm placing too much, like sort of like 2006 01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:28,120 Speaker 1: negative connotation on having to like cut limbs and cut 2007 01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:31,760 Speaker 1: shooting lanes when you get to a spot, but like one, 2008 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:36,000 Speaker 1: it took time where I wasn't hunting, and to it 2009 01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,439 Speaker 1: makes racket right where you know, if there happens to 2010 01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,519 Speaker 1: be something better than a hundred yards away, Like I 2011 01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:45,200 Speaker 1: don't know, are they gonna be okay with hearing me 2012 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:50,200 Speaker 1: saw down thirty to forty branches and some small trees. 2013 01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. So I feel like maybe what I 2014 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,120 Speaker 1: could have done is like instead of just like being like, okay, 2015 01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:57,880 Speaker 1: you gotta get in the wood and start hunting, maybe 2016 01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,120 Speaker 1: I should just take in the first day and like 2017 01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,840 Speaker 1: walk the whole property, which again some people be like, 2018 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,439 Speaker 1: you don't want to do that because she's gonna run 2019 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,040 Speaker 1: your scent all over the place, But like walk the 2020 01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:13,080 Speaker 1: whole property, identify like you know, some hot scrapes, some 2021 01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,439 Speaker 1: hot trails, Maybe maybe find that road you know earlier 2022 01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,880 Speaker 1: in the week they had the uh you know, a 2023 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,519 Speaker 1: bunch of tracks on it, and maybe you know, hunt 2024 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,080 Speaker 1: it at a different time, um and maybe just pick 2025 01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,920 Speaker 1: out some trees and just go that spend a day 2026 01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:32,000 Speaker 1: climbing up and down trees and cutting out shooting lanes, 2027 01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, and cutting out you know, just prepping the 2028 01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,280 Speaker 1: tree itself to get into it. And that way leave 2029 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,439 Speaker 1: leave myself in six days where you know, not every 2030 01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,560 Speaker 1: set up, but almost every setup, you could be like 2031 01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,360 Speaker 1: I could go in there and know that I'm just 2032 01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna slip in quietly and and get into the tree 2033 01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:58,840 Speaker 1: and be hunting, you know, um man. Otherwise I could 2034 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,800 Speaker 1: probably have just sat more. You know, I think having 2035 01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,760 Speaker 1: the ability to move so much, like I never in 2036 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,880 Speaker 1: those seven and a half days, I never sat one 2037 01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:13,520 Speaker 1: tree dark to dark, like I moved every single afternoon. 2038 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,280 Speaker 1: And I think that, like you just said, you gotta 2039 01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:22,519 Speaker 1: you gotta give the animals the opportunity to walk underneath you, 2040 01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, and every time you get down, and that 2041 01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:27,320 Speaker 1: it happened to me that one day where I couldn't 2042 01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:29,360 Speaker 1: take it any longer and got down at one or 2043 01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,479 Speaker 1: whatever it was. Sure enough, you know, there's a buck, 2044 01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,799 Speaker 1: even though he's a little buck. But it's like, hey, 2045 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,280 Speaker 1: he could have been a twelve pointer, you know. Um, 2046 01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:42,120 Speaker 1: so I probably just you know, two or three days 2047 01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:45,080 Speaker 1: should have just been like you know what, it's as 2048 01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,960 Speaker 1: good as spot as any else. Just sit it out, 2049 01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,519 Speaker 1: you know, and instead of taking those because like moving trees, 2050 01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:53,960 Speaker 1: even if even if you just moved two hundred yards 2051 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,600 Speaker 1: like I did that day after the I had the 2052 01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,439 Speaker 1: scrape with the pists in it, even I only moved 2053 01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,479 Speaker 1: two hundred yards, it still took a solid two hours 2054 01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:08,640 Speaker 1: from my hunting right where like I'm out of the tree, um, 2055 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,680 Speaker 1: walking around, um, you know, sawing limbs, I'm prepping the 2056 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:16,120 Speaker 1: next tree. And you know, you add that up over 2057 01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,080 Speaker 1: the course of the week. And if I did that 2058 01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,120 Speaker 1: every single day, and I'm guessing because I thought I 2059 01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:25,920 Speaker 1: would be faster, it takes time, right, I bet you 2060 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,439 Speaker 1: it was two to three hours every time I wanted 2061 01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,920 Speaker 1: to move. And so you add that up over you know, 2062 01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,640 Speaker 1: a week, and all of a sudden, it's like I 2063 01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:36,960 Speaker 1: almost burned a day, right, You easily burned an eight 2064 01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,920 Speaker 1: hour day middle of the day walking around, you know, 2065 01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:41,800 Speaker 1: And I know some guys don't even sit the middle 2066 01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:45,240 Speaker 1: of the day, right, But like had I been in 2067 01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,920 Speaker 1: the tree, I don't know, maybe something else could have 2068 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:53,160 Speaker 1: walked by me. Yeah, and you do have it's it's 2069 01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:58,360 Speaker 1: um oh what do they call it? That there's just 2070 01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:03,280 Speaker 1: basically the tendons see two, look at what happened, and 2071 01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,679 Speaker 1: then trying to come up with answers for why it happened. 2072 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:08,760 Speaker 1: When sometimes it's just bad luck too, Like there's this, 2073 01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes you need to be analyzing what you did and 2074 01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:16,160 Speaker 1: and understandably or or clearly be able to say, Okay, yeah, 2075 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,160 Speaker 1: that was a mistake and this is what happened. But 2076 01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:21,120 Speaker 1: then there's other times like this where what you just 2077 01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:25,040 Speaker 1: described maybe you should have said. But in the back 2078 01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,240 Speaker 1: of my mind, I'm also thinking, but it was also 2079 01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:31,200 Speaker 1: seventy five degrees um probably wasn't going to be shipped 2080 01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,400 Speaker 1: moving through there anyways. Now that could have been. But 2081 01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,599 Speaker 1: at the same time, you were dealt a tough hand 2082 01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,360 Speaker 1: with the weather during that week, and and so much 2083 01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,960 Speaker 1: of the activity was pushed to the edges that a 2084 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,080 Speaker 1: little bit was out of your hands there. Um So 2085 01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't know when I when I hear about what 2086 01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,720 Speaker 1: you did, it seems like there's there's a lot of 2087 01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,559 Speaker 1: stuff that made sense, But at the same time, there 2088 01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,840 Speaker 1: was things where you know, I think if you had 2089 01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,519 Speaker 1: a little more confidence with some of your decisions, you 2090 01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:01,679 Speaker 1: maybe have stuck it out in places a little longer 2091 01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:05,800 Speaker 1: than that might have helped you. Um All that takes time, 2092 01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:11,360 Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like confirming decisions takes time. It 2093 01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:13,880 Speaker 1: takes like years in these kinds of places to be 2094 01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,800 Speaker 1: where I'm at. You know, in some days, I'm thinking, Man, 2095 01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,920 Speaker 1: I just know, with these three factors lined up, this 2096 01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,200 Speaker 1: is a place that deserves time and attention. Or based 2097 01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:26,240 Speaker 1: off the fact that I saw this happen last week 2098 01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,639 Speaker 1: and this week, I know that this is somewhere somewhere 2099 01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:31,799 Speaker 1: that I'm willing to sit eight hours without seeing anything 2100 01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,160 Speaker 1: because I know that if I give it ten eventually 2101 01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:39,280 Speaker 1: something should. Um. But you know, ten fifteen years ago 2102 01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, before spending thousands of hours doing this stuff, 2103 01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,439 Speaker 1: I would have been questioning myself the whole time. Um. 2104 01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know how to you know, there's really 2105 01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,320 Speaker 1: no way to build that up except for just time 2106 01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:56,080 Speaker 1: seeing it, testing it and seeing what happens. You know. Yeah, No, 2107 01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:58,320 Speaker 1: I feel like you know, my dad actually ended up 2108 01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:04,360 Speaker 1: getting a shot. Unfortunately, he had he had lost a 2109 01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,559 Speaker 1: release and then was using a release that he hadn't 2110 01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:10,840 Speaker 1: practiced with as his backup, and um, I think it 2111 01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:15,320 Speaker 1: was much uh lighter released than his old one, and 2112 01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:19,600 Speaker 1: so he basically touched the arrow off long before you know, 2113 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,400 Speaker 1: he had even kind of settled his pen and uh 2114 01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,479 Speaker 1: you know, had had a clean miss um. But uh, 2115 01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's actually the rainy day. And he 2116 01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,560 Speaker 1: basically went into a zone where we had been getting 2117 01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:35,720 Speaker 1: some you know, fairly good activity, and he's like, you 2118 01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,680 Speaker 1: know what, that's a place we haven't hunted yet. I'll 2119 01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:40,920 Speaker 1: take my little pop up blind in there and set 2120 01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,400 Speaker 1: up and hunt him. And sure enough, a bunch of 2121 01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:47,720 Speaker 1: great running activity and he has a nice ten pointer 2122 01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:52,520 Speaker 1: come right by him. And unfortunately he uh he uh 2123 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, didn't get it. But um, so yeah, I 2124 01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,400 Speaker 1: think you know, between my dad and I, we got 2125 01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:01,920 Speaker 1: like some pretty close calls, you know, how to just 2126 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:05,080 Speaker 1: a couple of things gone a little bit differently. Um 2127 01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, might have gotten to you know, fling an 2128 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,640 Speaker 1: arrow at a or had a dead buck. You know, 2129 01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,040 Speaker 1: do you think that is there anything you can point 2130 01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,880 Speaker 1: to that you I feel like you really took away 2131 01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,960 Speaker 1: as far as like a learning experience that that you 2132 01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,960 Speaker 1: can point to. It is like, man, I'm gonna I'm 2133 01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:34,000 Speaker 1: gonna be better because of that. Jeez, do you think 2134 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,600 Speaker 1: you're a better deer hunter now after after this hunt, 2135 01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,080 Speaker 1: having experienced all that, you know. I was gonna say, 2136 01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,920 Speaker 1: just if there's if there's one thing, it's like the 2137 01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:47,440 Speaker 1: whole thing of just like spending a full week, seven 2138 01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:50,320 Speaker 1: days boots on the ground, you know, having to go 2139 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,040 Speaker 1: through all the all that decision making and pig trees 2140 01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:58,560 Speaker 1: and and all that stuff, um, and just looking at 2141 01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,760 Speaker 1: that proper which you know, I hunted since I was 2142 01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:04,440 Speaker 1: a little kid, but never through the eyes of a 2143 01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:09,760 Speaker 1: serious bow hunter. And now having done that for seven days, like, um, yeah, 2144 01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:13,720 Speaker 1: I've just got like such more intimate knowledge of the place. 2145 01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:16,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna help me, you know, informed decisions that I'll 2146 01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:21,560 Speaker 1: make in the future. Um. Yeah. So I don't know 2147 01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:23,600 Speaker 1: if it's like a better dear hunter, but I think 2148 01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:28,080 Speaker 1: that joh. I mean yeah, I mean I guess you 2149 01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,360 Speaker 1: could say that, you know, and hopefully hopefully when it 2150 01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,640 Speaker 1: gives me out of more than anything, it's just the 2151 01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,240 Speaker 1: confidence to make a decision right and be like, yeah, 2152 01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:37,040 Speaker 1: that was the right decision. You know, go with it 2153 01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,880 Speaker 1: and not be swinging around that tree constantly going no, 2154 01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:45,360 Speaker 1: should I move? If it makes you feel any better, well, 2155 01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:47,320 Speaker 1: I just told you that I'm a lot more confident. 2156 01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,120 Speaker 1: I still have plenty of days where I'm sitting there 2157 01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,640 Speaker 1: wondering should I move? That still happens to me too. 2158 01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:55,480 Speaker 1: I know one thing, man, if like the wind is 2159 01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:59,160 Speaker 1: not happening, I'm not gonna waste my time if like, 2160 01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,720 Speaker 1: even if I that up and it's just the best, best, 2161 01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:05,560 Speaker 1: best spot, because I just don't feel like sure if 2162 01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:07,280 Speaker 1: it's like kind of off, if you're like, oh, I 2163 01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,880 Speaker 1: was supposed to blow south and it's blowing southwest, sure, like, 2164 01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,760 Speaker 1: I'll stay there. But when when it's blowing north and 2165 01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,080 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be blowing south like it just is 2166 01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,280 Speaker 1: not gonna happen, You're gonna I'm gonna have to get 2167 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,080 Speaker 1: out of the tree and do something else. You know. Yeah, 2168 01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:25,120 Speaker 1: it's a tough pill of swallow, but it's true. It is. 2169 01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:28,280 Speaker 1: And maybe use that evening to just go and glass 2170 01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:30,880 Speaker 1: the field from the road and see what pops out 2171 01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:33,720 Speaker 1: on the field, you know, and you know, get some 2172 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:39,200 Speaker 1: information that way. So do you did you like it? 2173 01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you went from like the deer hunting you've 2174 01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,160 Speaker 1: done the past was was, like you said, a little different, 2175 01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:46,480 Speaker 1: little gun season type stuff. But now you kind of 2176 01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:50,680 Speaker 1: dove in head first this full blown bow hunting, A 2177 01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,240 Speaker 1: lot of strategy, a lot of puzzle pieces you gotta 2178 01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:57,400 Speaker 1: put together. Are you into it? Totally? Man? I love 2179 01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,040 Speaker 1: you know, the older I get, the more That's what 2180 01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm drawn to is the hunts that are hard for me. 2181 01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I still don't get me wrong, I still 2182 01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:07,360 Speaker 1: love a squirrel hunt because it's like casual and just 2183 01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,160 Speaker 1: fun and it can be easy at times. Not the 2184 01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:15,680 Speaker 1: squirrel hunting is always easy, but um, you know, even 2185 01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:17,760 Speaker 1: though I haven't, No, I did kill a bowl this 2186 01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,800 Speaker 1: year with my bowl, but like I kind of just 2187 01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:22,680 Speaker 1: have an idea of what to expect when I go 2188 01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:26,600 Speaker 1: out into the Elk woods, you know, And like I 2189 01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:28,920 Speaker 1: had four really hard days of hunting a week ago 2190 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:33,160 Speaker 1: here to finish out the Montana Big Game season. But 2191 01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,360 Speaker 1: it was tough conditions. You know. It's like I I 2192 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:42,600 Speaker 1: went and hunted, but like I know, like why things happened, right, 2193 01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,120 Speaker 1: Like I have answers for all of it. But I think, 2194 01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:47,040 Speaker 1: like I said was saying, I think What's what draws 2195 01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,240 Speaker 1: me towards this and like any kind of new hunting 2196 01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing, is that like I don't know it and 2197 01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:56,280 Speaker 1: it's a challenge and there's like a lot to figure out. 2198 01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot more to learn, and that gets me excited, 2199 01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, and to know that like how close we were, 2200 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,760 Speaker 1: you know this year, you know, having a dead bock, 2201 01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:11,040 Speaker 1: um should I got a feeling we're gonna be like 2202 01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:15,520 Speaker 1: that much closer you know next year with what we 2203 01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,920 Speaker 1: know now. Um, But you just kind of have to 2204 01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,920 Speaker 1: you gotta tighten the news a little bit, you know 2205 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,720 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, Like we had like a kind 2206 01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:26,560 Speaker 1: of a medium sized news going and never really snugged 2207 01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,480 Speaker 1: it up, you know, to really to really dial in. 2208 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:36,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, h you gotta be careful. You gotta be carefully, Johnny. 2209 01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:39,960 Speaker 1: It's a slippery slope. When you start to get excited 2210 01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:42,440 Speaker 1: about this stuff and getting into the nitty gritty details 2211 01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,840 Speaker 1: and strategy, it can can grab hold you fast. So 2212 01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:52,040 Speaker 1: be prepared. I'm ready, man, I'm ready. I told myself 2213 01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:55,000 Speaker 1: one of my uh, one of my resolutions, and I've 2214 01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,640 Speaker 1: already done it since I've since Big Game season has ended, 2215 01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,720 Speaker 1: as I've shot my bow once this week, and uh, 2216 02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot that socker all we're long. I'm not 2217 02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:08,480 Speaker 1: gonna have this where like Turkey season ends and I'm like, 2218 02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:12,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, I better start shooting my bow. Yeah, um, 2219 02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:14,200 Speaker 1: because that's kind of where I've been in the last 2220 02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:18,080 Speaker 1: three or four years. Um. And uh, I want my 2221 02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:20,440 Speaker 1: like bow shooting be too like the lat It's like 2222 02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it's something I can control much easier, 2223 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,800 Speaker 1: and it should be the last thing that's on my 2224 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:30,320 Speaker 1: mind when I'm actually out there hunting. It's like, oh am, 2225 02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I gonna make a good shot, you know. Um, I 2226 02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:35,880 Speaker 1: want to have that all dialed. Like I'm gonna switch 2227 02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,200 Speaker 1: arrows this year. I'm gonna go I'm going to the 2228 02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:42,280 Speaker 1: super heavy set up, super high fo C. And I'm 2229 02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna get that done in the next you know, month 2230 02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:48,320 Speaker 1: or two and not in the summertime. You know. Uh, 2231 02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:54,600 Speaker 1: I agree with your your thought there with it, not 2232 02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,120 Speaker 1: necessarily just the archer thing, but if there's something that 2233 02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,520 Speaker 1: is in your control that you can do something about 2234 02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:03,560 Speaker 1: right now, like do it because in the field out there, 2235 02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:05,440 Speaker 1: you know that next time you're out there for a 2236 02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:07,480 Speaker 1: week in November, there's going to be so much that's 2237 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:10,800 Speaker 1: outside of your control. Whatever you can turn you know 2238 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and and have dialed. Now, that's that's one of those 2239 02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:16,320 Speaker 1: things when you're trying to tighten that tighten things down 2240 02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:18,120 Speaker 1: that you can control ahead of time. You gotta you 2241 02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:22,360 Speaker 1: gotta try to do that. So where where you we 2242 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,920 Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up? Um? I feel like I do 2243 02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,680 Speaker 1: have kind of one more thing I want to kind 2244 02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:30,640 Speaker 1: of discuss quickly we have the time. Is like one 2245 02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:34,040 Speaker 1: thing I saw in the trail cameras is that, like 2246 02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I was telling you, there was like that it seemed 2247 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,320 Speaker 1: like it was the last two weeks of October. We're 2248 02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we were like, oh my gosh, 2249 02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:42,960 Speaker 1: like we're gonna have some bucks to hunt, you know, 2250 02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:45,080 Speaker 1: like they're here, like all of a sudden, they're showing up, 2251 02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, they're hitting those and they were hitting the 2252 02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:49,240 Speaker 1: scrapes hard. And then it seems like when we got 2253 02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:52,760 Speaker 1: there it like and again could have been this like 2254 02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,880 Speaker 1: crazy hot weather too, right, like that played a part 2255 02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,160 Speaker 1: in it, but like it almost seemed like the buck 2256 02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:02,120 Speaker 1: activity on camera slow down and then it picked back 2257 02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:05,360 Speaker 1: up like after what I mean most people would consider 2258 02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:09,040 Speaker 1: like peak Rutt like sort of somewhere middle of November 2259 02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:12,600 Speaker 1: or trying to think I left on the twelve, but like, 2260 02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:16,080 Speaker 1: so after that, towards the end of November, it's sort 2261 02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,080 Speaker 1: of picked back up, and I saw like I caught 2262 02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,640 Speaker 1: two box that we had never seen yet on camera, 2263 02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:26,480 Speaker 1: like completely new box, and so I'm like wondering, like 2264 02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,720 Speaker 1: what my dates are going to be next year? Hmm, 2265 02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:36,560 Speaker 1: it's there's go still for the first week of November. 2266 02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Do I maybe slide into three or four days of 2267 02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:43,200 Speaker 1: October and then hunt into the first four days of November. 2268 02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:48,480 Speaker 1: I always look at the first two weeks as being 2269 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,520 Speaker 1: your safest bet. The first week or two November is 2270 02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:56,840 Speaker 1: is just safe. But if if you get a weather 2271 02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,280 Speaker 1: front like what we had come through, can really change 2272 02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:01,520 Speaker 1: things and make things more difficult. So I mean, like 2273 02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:03,320 Speaker 1: in your situation where you have to lock down the 2274 02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:05,240 Speaker 1: dates way ahead of time, you're kind of s o L. 2275 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,120 Speaker 1: I would still air towards somewhere in that range, just 2276 02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:12,120 Speaker 1: because it's just hard to beat it in a year 2277 02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,120 Speaker 1: in and year out if you had to average things out. 2278 02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:17,160 Speaker 1: But you know, hunting pressure could have impacted you a 2279 02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:19,280 Speaker 1: little bit, right, I mean, once you start being around 2280 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:21,680 Speaker 1: there and you walking around and your dad walking around 2281 02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff like that could be part of the 2282 02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,720 Speaker 1: reason why things slowed a little bit. Of course, the 2283 02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:29,400 Speaker 1: weather slowed things. Um who who knows what else is 2284 02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:32,800 Speaker 1: going around there. I wouldn't read into it too much 2285 02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,080 Speaker 1: given those factors, as I guess what I'm trying to 2286 02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:40,520 Speaker 1: tell you. At the same time, though, you know, you 2287 02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:42,320 Speaker 1: can start to get to know property, and like in 2288 02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,920 Speaker 1: my case, I've got a spot that always is better early. 2289 02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I've hunted it for over a decade now, and I 2290 02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:50,800 Speaker 1: have found that, for whatever reason, there's some doughs that 2291 02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:54,200 Speaker 1: come into heat, you know, early consistently. There's always a 2292 02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:56,920 Speaker 1: hot dough. You know that last week in October, so 2293 02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:02,520 Speaker 1: peak rut type stuff starts happening for me that round there, 2294 02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,480 Speaker 1: and so I hunt that week just as if I 2295 02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,280 Speaker 1: was hunting November five. But it's taking me time to 2296 02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,160 Speaker 1: figure that out. And you know, there's no other way 2297 02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:15,280 Speaker 1: to find other than that kind of thing. So always 2298 02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:18,600 Speaker 1: something more to learn, Ynni, Always something more to learn, man. 2299 02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:22,680 Speaker 1: But that's what fun it does. That's that's for me. 2300 02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:24,960 Speaker 1: That's what I love about it. Like you said, it's 2301 02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:29,360 Speaker 1: the challenge. It's this puzzle it's it's chess and poker 2302 02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:32,960 Speaker 1: and checkers all mixed in one and and I just 2303 02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:37,520 Speaker 1: I geek out about the never ending process. So it's 2304 02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:40,920 Speaker 1: it brings a smile to my face knowing that I've 2305 02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,320 Speaker 1: got a kindred spirit over there in Montana right now. 2306 02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:45,880 Speaker 1: And uh, I think we just gotta figure out a 2307 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,680 Speaker 1: way to share the white Tail woods together here soon 2308 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:51,560 Speaker 1: and do something, do something, get a hunting on the books. 2309 02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, man all Uh let's uh we'll end this 2310 02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:59,360 Speaker 1: and get on the phone, start planning. I like it. 2311 02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,400 Speaker 1: We're can people see this hunt? You honest? Where's where 2312 02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:05,320 Speaker 1: is this all gonna be? And when? Uh? This will 2313 02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:08,640 Speaker 1: be a meat Eat Hunts episode which will air on 2314 02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:13,000 Speaker 1: the meat Eater YouTube channel, and I believe now they're 2315 02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:18,600 Speaker 1: talking um like April time frame, ish um, and I'm 2316 02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna have six episodes coming out and I can't tell 2317 02:05:22,040 --> 02:05:24,840 Speaker 1: you which one this one's gonna be, but uh yeah, 2318 02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:28,840 Speaker 1: start looking forward late March, um and keep an eye 2319 02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:30,600 Speaker 1: up for it through April and then if you still 2320 02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,840 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, maybe in the first two weeks of May. 2321 02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:38,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, Meat Eater YouTube channel, Meat Eater Hunts awesome. 2322 02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward checking it out. Yeanni, thank you for 2323 02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,320 Speaker 1: taking the time to walk us through all this stuff. Um, 2324 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I still feel like there's fifteen other things I wanted 2325 02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:48,720 Speaker 1: to ask you about, But like we talked about, we 2326 02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:51,040 Speaker 1: always go longer than the planned time and we already have. 2327 02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, well maybe we'll uh maybe you ought to 2328 02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:58,800 Speaker 1: come out this spring or summer to the property and 2329 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:00,600 Speaker 1: we can go do it two or and then we 2330 02:06:00,720 --> 02:06:03,680 Speaker 1: can sit down to a podcast after we walk the 2331 02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:07,760 Speaker 1: property and you can give me your your feedback. Sign 2332 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:09,760 Speaker 1: me up. I like that idea. That sounds like fun. 2333 02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:14,280 Speaker 1: All right, you're honest. Thank you, and uh, let's figure 2334 02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,480 Speaker 1: out that spring trips in sounds good? Thanks again, Mark, 2335 02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:22,000 Speaker 1: all right, that's a rap. I hope you enjoyed the 2336 02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:24,240 Speaker 1: honest story. I hope that maybe some of the things 2337 02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:27,480 Speaker 1: we talked on the front end we're able to help 2338 02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of color some of this conversation for you and 2339 02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:32,360 Speaker 1: and left you with some different things to think about 2340 02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:35,280 Speaker 1: now that we're wrapped up. Um, if you can do 2341 02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:38,400 Speaker 1: some of that homework I mentioned, hit me up on Instagram, 2342 02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:40,560 Speaker 1: leave a comment on Facebook or Insta, and let me 2343 02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:42,760 Speaker 1: know some of the things that that you took away 2344 02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:45,600 Speaker 1: either from this podcast or from your own hunts after 2345 02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:47,160 Speaker 1: you were able to do a little bit of that 2346 02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:53,200 Speaker 1: um decision analysis or or learning. So thank you all 2347 02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:57,040 Speaker 1: for tuning in, Thanks for riding along with me as 2348 02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:59,640 Speaker 1: as I go down these crazy rabbit holes. But I 2349 02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:04,320 Speaker 1: hope and and really what I think this podcast has 2350 02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:06,960 Speaker 1: the most opportunity to do, not just this episode, but 2351 02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:10,080 Speaker 1: in general. Right I want to make the Wired Hunting 2352 02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:12,480 Speaker 1: Podcast be a place where where those of those with 2353 02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:14,600 Speaker 1: a similar passion can get together and have a good time, 2354 02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:16,880 Speaker 1: but also where we can push ourselves and push each 2355 02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:20,160 Speaker 1: other to take that next step. And I think this 2356 02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:24,680 Speaker 1: type of exercise is a way to do that. So 2357 02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:28,600 Speaker 1: if you're game for it, give a shot, think about 2358 02:07:28,640 --> 02:07:32,000 Speaker 1: these things, let me know what you're thinking, and uh, 2359 02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:37,760 Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.