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Speaker 1: This season has left us so many topics to discuss.

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Speaker 1: did this weekend. Oh yes, please. You went to Boston

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Speaker 1: But then she also knows that how having sex is

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00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: before marriage is probably not what the Bible says to do.

429
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: It's a conversation that I cannot wait to continue to

430
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Speaker 1: have and one that I'm super thankful so one, I mean, Courtney,

431
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: I do want to say, as a Christian, thank you

432
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: for allowing us to like helping us be one of

433
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: the first to talk about this kind of stuff. It's

434
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: healthy no matter what you believe and who you are

435
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: and where you come from and what your convictions are.

436
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: At least now we're talking about it, and I want

437
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: that to continue and coordinate. I will say it took

438
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: a lot of courage for you to write a book

439
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: and also you know, speak about your experience on TV,

440
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: so that my goodness, well, I mean that, and it's

441
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: something that I want to talk about. We've we've been

442
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: growing up in the church and then knowing people that

443
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: haven't and that don't have a belief. Sex has been

444
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's there's so much unhealthy communication around it,

445
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: and there's so many assumptions and there's so much confusion

446
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: and we don't understand each other and judgment and shame,

447
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: and at least now we're talking about it. So if

448
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: you're a Christian and you're watching the show and you're like,

449
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm on Luke p side, like abstinence forever, all those things,

450
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: well okay, but I encourage you to at least talk

451
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: about it. And if you're on the other side, I

452
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: encourage you at least talk about In Courney, You've done

453
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot to facilitate that. Corney. Before we let you go,

454
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, is there anything in your

455
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Speaker 1: life that you're working on that you're doing that you'd

456
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Speaker 1: like to promote on the Almost fame As podcast. Oh

457
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 1: my goodness, Um, you know what. I'm still doing real

458
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: estate here in Arizona. That's going really well. But I'm

459
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: actually working on with my life coach on some workshops

460
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: and anxiety of a huge saying. You know a lot

461
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: of people suffer from, so I have caught a couple

462
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Speaker 1: of workshops I've teamed up with her on. So I

463
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: just really want to put stuff out in the world

464
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: that is helpful and authentic to who I am, UM,

465
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: without a code, you know, just to kind of open

466
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Speaker 1: the conversation for a little bit more mindful way of living.

467
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I've got going on. Where

468
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: can people follow you? Bug Robertson, roberts sug Robertson, Yeah,

469
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm one inside. I don't do a whole lot. I

470
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: just post, but I love um And then congrats to you.

471
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: You're in a new relationship too. I saw that, so

472
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: congrat you and Askley. I'm loving the wedding planning, so

473
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: keep it coming. Thanks for Partney. Um. I just want

474
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: everybody out there to know, I know we said this

475
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: last time. You're on Best Bachelor. Read out there not

476
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Here to Make Friends by Corney Robertson check it out

477
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: on Amazon, And you just mentioned you have a new boyfriend.

478
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you all do. He's awesome. And

479
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: I am still debating if I'm going to write another

480
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: book again goes back to the sex stuff, So I

481
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: really want to, you know, to do a continuation and

482
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: be that vulnerable and put it out there. I've definitely

483
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: got some good follow up stories. So but yeah, thank

484
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm happy. I'm always happy to chat

485
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: with you guys, and hopefully we can keep the converse

486
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: Asian going and positive. That's right, Thanks a lot, Courtney,

487
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Bye by Jared and I are all about

488
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Speaker 1: making our place the most hd TV it can be,

489
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490
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491
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Speaker 1: and Barrel has been helping us inch our way there.

492
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493
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Speaker 1: Turkish towels and those amazingly thick, sturdy bathrobes, and now

494
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Speaker 1: we are working on getting our bedroom put together and

495
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Speaker 1: making it a place that we want to just crawl

496
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Speaker 1: into even more at the end of a long day.

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Speaker 1: My aunt just got us the most amazing gray flannel

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Speaker 1: sheets from our registry. So I know those are a

499
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Speaker 1: little hot for the summertime, but cannot wait to put

500
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Speaker 1: them on when it gets a little bit brisk outside.

501
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Speaker 1: And we have just the most amazing thread count sheets

502
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503
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504
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505
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Speaker 1: understand them. Yeah, Marks here said, shaking his hand, doesn't

506
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Speaker 1: get it. I was told by a guy this week

507
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Speaker 1: that was in our apartment. He's like, what's with all

508
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Speaker 1: like the layers of pillows on the bed. I'm like,

509
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Speaker 1: it doesn't look normal if you don't have this like

510
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Speaker 1: triangle of throw pillows. So we've gotten to some really beautiful,

511
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Speaker 1: high quality, timeless, classic stuff that we know that we're

512
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513
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Speaker 1: but for a long time to come. Because Crate and

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Speaker 1: with them with our our registry, our wedding registry our

516
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Speaker 1: wedding is just around the corner. It's so crazy. If

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Speaker 1: straight when there's an order now. Starting with Peter Pilot Pete.

523
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: Pilot Pete has made the news this week. Lauren Ze

524
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: will open up an article about Pilot Pete having a

525
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: girlfriend before he went on the show. So fans are

526
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: emailing us reacting. Twitter is going psycho saying, hey, how

527
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: is this different than Jed? Before we talk about I agree, actually,

528
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: but before we talk about Pilot pete overnight date, let's

529
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: talk about why you feel Pilot pete scenario of dating

530
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: is different than good old jetters. Well, he broke up

531
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: with the girlfriend before going on the show, so that

532
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: is the biggest component as to why it's different. Um,

533
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: he also wanted to break it off early enough so

534
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: that she they didn't date too long, they didn't get

535
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: too far deep, and then he wasn't leading her on.

536
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I think that he broke up with her in December

537
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: because that's probably when the casting process started for him.

538
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: It was absolutely not when it was finally decided like

539
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: that he was an official cast member. That doesn't happen

540
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: until February for these guys. So as soon as he

541
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: was part of the casting process, he was like, let's

542
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: not take this any further. I gotta break up with

543
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: her now. It's so different, yeah, I mean it. He

544
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have broken up with her if it was the

545
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: love of his life, right, and he was probably I

546
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: think Nick Nick tweeted last night. Nick Vile tweeted last

547
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: night that he was nominated. I don't I know that

548
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: they've hung out before, so he probably actually knows this

549
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: for a fact that Peter was nominated. He didn't sign

550
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: up for the show himself. He didn't have a motive

551
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: like Jed did to get exposure. So he was nominated.

552
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, man, once in a lifetime opportunity.

553
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Am I going to spend the rest of my life

554
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: with this girl? Kaylee? Probably not, so I gotta take

555
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: this right now. Yeah, I mean, it's just different, Like,

556
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: what's the timeline December, they break up. Like you said,

557
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: he's not even chosen until February, he's nominated. It's not

558
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the love of his life. Jed literally got on the

559
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: plane still texting this past girl friends, saying, Hey, when

560
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I get back from this whole thing, it's gonna be good,

561
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: like Pete broke up with the girl like And I've

562
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: discussed as many times. I have a few friends that

563
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: have gone through some really big breakups recently and some

564
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: really hard breakups. And the conversation we have often is,

565
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, how soon is soon enough for that you

566
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: have to wait to start dating again? And really there's

567
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: no answer to that. It could be the next day.

568
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: Is that healthy? I don't know, it's your own personal story.

569
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: You say yes or no that. But as soon, in

570
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: my opinion, that you break up and that's been communicated,

571
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: you're free to start dating. It might not be healthy,

572
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: but you're you're free to it. There's no moral obligation.

573
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: And so if Pete ended this thing in December and

574
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: it starts filming in what like May March, then he's fine.

575
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: It's totally different. He's fine. Um, okay. So Pete is

576
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: the one that we assume we didn't get clarity, but

577
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: we that had sex with Hannah twice in the window.

578
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: If we couldn't get much more clarity, I guess only

579
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: one windmill, there's only one. She had sex with him twice,

580
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: so their date, you'd assume went pretty well. We didn't

581
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: see a lot because obviously a lot of this episode

582
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: was taken up by by Lue Pete again um, but

583
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: Pilot Pete and Hannah seemed to have, in my opinion

584
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: right now, the most full holistic relationship. Okay, I can

585
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: see that. However, I find his parts of the episodes

586
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: to also also be the least memorable. For me, I

587
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: feel less, I have less lingering feelings about them, jar

588
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: jar and I always say that, like you can tell

589
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: if a movie is really good or not based on

590
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: how much you think of it after you leave the theater,

591
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: the days and the weeks after. I feel like with Peter,

592
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I think about him very little after the episode is done.

593
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: So that's a really good point. I never thought about

594
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that way. But yeah, like I couldn't even hardly tell

595
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: you what they did on their days. I just remember

596
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the windmill being really cool, yeah, the sailboat, and I

597
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: remember them making out on the sailboat. Nothing else. Um. Wow, Well,

598
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: so Ashley once again stumps me. We'll move on from

599
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Peter because what we know about Peter is this. It's

600
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: a good thing. It's going well there, obviously, have the

601
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: physical connection. They're talking a little bit, they're making out

602
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot. Things are going great for the two of them.

603
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: But it's not memorable. And are we looking for something memorable.

604
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of memorable, we have Tyler C. So actually, there's

605
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: something that happened with Tyler C that shook me this week.

606
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. This it's so interesting that you

607
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: just said that. That word choice was amazing because when

608
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: I think back on this episode, because Ben and I

609
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: get to watch it a little earlier. I watched it

610
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: on Thursday. When I watched this episode, over the past

611
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: couple of days, I've been thinking of Tyler, not Luke.

612
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: That was my long lasting feeling from this episode, really,

613
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about Luke quite honestly, really, I I

614
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't really thinking about look until today

615
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: when I had to start talking about it. Yeah, I

616
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: have a lot of feelings on Luke. Though maybe I'm

617
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: just passionate about Luke because it's touching so many things

618
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: that I'm really fired up about. But I agree, Tyler see,

619
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Speaker 1: I remember, and here's a couple of examples. Actually, and

620
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Speaker 1: I think our viewers are listeners to this podcast, we'll

621
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: probably um agree. And I'm gonna talk about later on.

622
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: You know, as I said, but Tyler C and Hannah

623
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: had an adult conversation about sex. And I don't know

624
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: if anybody is comparing, you know, I know people are

625
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: saying Tyler C was so respectful to Hannah and her

626
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: what she wanted, which I agree with. But also the

627
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: way that two have been discussed having sex and not

628
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: having sex was how two adults have that conversation. It

629
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: was open minded, It was one of curiosity and understanding,

630
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: not it lacked judgment. And I don't care if you're

631
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: a Christian or not. What the conversation they had was

632
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: a very healthy conversation based on a moral conviction of Hey,

633
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable about having sex tonight. And they

634
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: both said, Okay, if that's what you feel, if that's

635
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: what you think, if that's what your desire is, then

636
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: as your friend, partner and lover, I will agree to that.

637
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: Opposite of Luke P which I don't want even get

638
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: two now, but I thought that was a really good

639
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: thing to see, was a two of them communicating on

640
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: such a high level, completely agree. It was the ultimate

641
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: parallel situation, and that's why I was. I was very

642
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: moved by Tyler and the way that she reacted when

643
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: he left that morning. She said that she had never

644
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: bet felt that respected by a man before, and she

645
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: was moved to tears because of it. And I think

646
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: she was moved to tears because of another thing too.

647
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: I watched this interview from her speaking after mental all,

648
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: just before we got in here, and she said that

649
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: going into the fantasy suite with him, she thought that

650
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: they had a great physical connection, but she wasn't sure

651
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: how much there was beyond that. And she said that

652
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: after the fantasy Suite she felt so deeply connected to

653
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: him that I think she started to um stress out

654
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: a bit because she was like, holy moly, he does

655
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: have everything I need. I thought maybe I had this

656
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: figured out, but now this man is just so wonderful.

657
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Hmm. There's a couple

658
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: of things that confused me about this, this segment with

659
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: the two of them. One is when you see Tyler

660
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: seeing Anna started getting hot and heavy. These poor masseust

661
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like where did they go by? Guy? Everybody else has

662
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: signed up for this. But you see, if you watch

663
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: it back, you see the masseuse that's like massaging Tyler.

664
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: As he gets up off the bed, she kind of

665
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: looks like confused, like what is he doing? And then

666
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: she uses in the corner as he like pounces on

667
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: top of her. That woman was like, wait a second, sir,

668
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep touching you. Yeah, like You're like,

669
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: what is happening here? Like I'm gonna have to watch

670
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: these two people hook up? Like how many times in

671
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: their life have they had? You know, twenty people with

672
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: cameras come into a room as they're trying to give

673
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: relaxing massages and then two people start hooking up. I

674
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: bet they feel a little weird about this. How super weird.

675
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Before we move on to the Jed day, I do

676
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: want to say that I just reiterate the fact that

677
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: I loved how moved she was by the respect that

678
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: he gave her. I think it was so wonderful. And

679
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: then did you see how nervous he got when she

680
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: was starting that conversation about going into the fantasy suite.

681
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: I think he thought he was going to get dumped

682
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: there and it was so heartbreaking. Yeah, he's had a

683
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: couple of those moments. He likes her. No, Actually, I

684
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: want to ask you though before we close up here.

685
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: So I took some different approach to seeing her so

686
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: emotional about Tyler. I took it as she's emotional leaving

687
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: him and not excited about what she learned because in

688
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: her mind, Tyler was already gone. So she's sad because

689
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: she's not realizing that Tyler might be it. Yeah, in

690
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: her mind, she's already sent him home or thought he

691
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: was the one. So now she knows that she's going

692
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: to be even more convicted towards the end and be

693
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: more conflicted towards the end than she ever ever knew. Well,

694
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: I think I kind of brush on that too. It

695
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: was a respecting plus. It was like, holy damn, I

696
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: am super confused now. Yeah, So it was weird for

697
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: me because, like you would think if you knew going

698
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: into a date that oh, this could be the person

699
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: I spen the rest of my life with, this is

700
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: our night together, this is gonna be awesome. And you

701
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: go into the day and it is awesome. Then you

702
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: come out the next morning ecstatic, excited, at peace, full joy,

703
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: full of understanding all those things. Instead she has all

704
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: those feelings. Yeah, she's a little bit sad about it

705
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: because she's like, oh no, this is gonna get hard.

706
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get hard because she's really in

707
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: the jet, which leads us now to jet again and

708
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: my mind Jet is even there. But we got to

709
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: talk about it. Ashley, what was your take on jet

710
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: um trying to separate myself from him having a girlfriend

711
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: and just looking at this in a more neutral way.

712
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: I didn't super mind the fact that he said that

713
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: he um what did he say about Luke? He said

714
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: that he questions how difficult it is for her to

715
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: give up things that are bad for her. I didn't

716
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: have an issue with him saying this. I thought it

717
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: was perceptive of him. I think it shows that he

718
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: understands her, he's trying to figure her out, and that

719
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: he feels open and honest enough to express concerns that

720
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: he has about getting into a relationship with her. But

721
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: I also have heard different interpretations of that. Some people

722
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: think that that was like a little bit a little

723
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: bit controlling. Yeah, I mean, we just heard Courtney Robertson

724
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: used the word manipulative. Yeah, she said that Jed was

725
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: manipulative and his speak to her. I actually don't disagree

726
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: at this point. It's hard for me to judge because

727
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't do it. I mean I can't

728
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: because I said it last week after now watching back

729
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: the season and now seeing when Jed what we two said.

730
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not I was here originally a famous but

731
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: but now I'm falling in love with you and all

732
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: of us going, oh that was sweet and honest and transparent,

733
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: but now we know that it was just him trying

734
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: to get something off of his chest that was actually

735
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: fake and manipulative. I think he's still doing it like

736
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: and another thing is to me, I here's one thing. Actually,

737
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: there is no man I will ever be threatn and

738
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: buy that wants to talk about me on the night

739
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: he's going to spend the evening with his fiance. He's

740
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna go. He's going into this thing thinking that she's

741
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: the one, yet spending their their date together talking about

742
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: another dude. Something that's bothering. I'm gonna cut you off

743
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: again because this is what fired me up. And then

744
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: good old Jet known all season to be this guy

745
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: that's just been around. He says all these things. He

746
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: doesn't like console or comfort her, even though I feel

747
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: like she is answering his questions. Cold. He's cold, He's

748
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: saying there. And then she goes, I just need a second.

749
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: I need to get away and walk, meaning, hey, dude,

750
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: leave me alone for a second so I can breathe.

751
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: What is good, little Jed does. He jumps right up

752
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: out of his chair and follows her and then gives

753
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: her this weird behind the back hug and like holding

754
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: her shoulders, like I don't know what to do with

755
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: you right now, but I'm gonna be here because it

756
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: seems like it looks right. No, dude, either leave her

757
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: alone and let her think, or go up to her,

758
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: grab her by the shoulders and say, damn it, woman,

759
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: I love you. I care so much that this dude

760
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: is in your life. But all I want to do

761
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: is be in your life and give her the biggest

762
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: freaking kiss that you've ever imagined to say, all of

763
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: that gone, You're my woman. Okay, okay, So this is

764
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: where I played Devil's advocates to my own interpretation, and

765
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I wonder because he did feel cold because he didn't

766
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: make a move, like Ben just said, was he trying

767
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: to put doubt in Hannah's mind that they aren't meant

768
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: to be together. He wanted to turn her off just

769
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, leave her with some questions because he

770
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: was ready to be eliminated. That's the only reason he's

771
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: now at the end. He's like, oh, yes, top three,

772
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: and that's perfect. Please make me top three, you know,

773
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: get rid of Luke. I'll be three. I'll get what

774
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I need out of this. I just feel like it

775
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: was a weird time to like concentrate so much on

776
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: another man. And that's the only reason I could really

777
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: come up with it. Unless his ego was so bruised

778
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: that the week prior he was sort of like equated

779
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: to him at the Row ceremony. M hmm, then we

780
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: still that's an ego issue, you know. Uh, you're onto something, Nash.

781
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. The poor guy was like,

782
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: oh crap, I've got a girlfriend at home, and I'm

783
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: a country music legend in my mind, and I'm about

784
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: to get engaged to a woman that like I like,

785
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: but like definitely aren't. Isn't that I'm not that into

786
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: I've done really good at job getting this far. How

787
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: can I ruin it now? Talk about another dude? Exactly exactly.

788
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: It's right out of the Bachelor handbook of how to

789
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: ruin something. So actually, let me ask you before we

790
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: move on to the big one. Luke p Um. It

791
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: will be last week talking about him, hopefully. I'm probably

792
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: now he's going to be a tell all next week.

793
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: But um, okay, so answer with this. Is there anything?

794
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: Famously Jed came out two weeks ago and said, hey,

795
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: please be patient. All I have things to say, but

796
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: I can't say him till after the season. Is there

797
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: anything Jed could say at this point that would allow

798
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the public to completely forget and forgive? Brainstorming? I'm thinking

799
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: I can't really think of anything, Okay, so let's ask

800
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: our listeners, Hey, listeners, if there is anything Jed could

801
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: say this week or I guess whenever he gets let

802
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: go or ends up with Hannah that would allow you

803
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: to forgive and forget. What would that be? Please hashtag

804
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast to let us know. I'm hey, do

805
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: you have anything that would make it better? Um? I

806
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: think he could admit that he I think I could

807
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: see him in Hannah sitting this side by side, and

808
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I think if he was doing that and he said, hey,

809
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: I went to this with a girlfriend. Uh, my intention

810
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: was to come on this to get famous, but I

811
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: fell in love with this woman and as a result,

812
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: my heart is with her. Then yeah, I think I

813
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: could say, Okay, I get it. I think I think

814
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: we can all get it and perhaps forgive. But I

815
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know if Hannah could ever forget. And I'm concerned

816
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: about Hannah and her trust with him. Yeah, so if

817
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: that exactly so, she would have had to know going

818
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: into it this story and get totally supportive in behind

819
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: him and say, yeah, I knew this side of the story.

820
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: We knew it was a little confusing, we knew it

821
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: was gonna be hard, but it was you know, we

822
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: love each other, so this is what we chose to do.

823
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: I could get that now if they aren't together, I

824
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: really think a lot of things are gonna go one

825
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: in one ear and out the other for me, because

826
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's anything he can say at

827
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: this point that I would trust and not that even

828
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: it's important that I trust it. Like again, who am

829
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: I in his life? And like he doesn't have an

830
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: effect on my life, So I don't really know if

831
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: I even want to hear it because we know at

832
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: this point he had a girlfriend and he left going

833
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: on the show with his girlfriend, So I feel more

834
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: bad for the girlfriend back home that do for anybody else.

835
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: And then now I feel bad for Hannah because she

836
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: invested her heart in this dude who is is playing her.

837
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: So no, I'm not okay with that, no matter what

838
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: the scenari, I'm not okay with the second scenario. I've

839
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: got two things I want to talk about before we

840
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: move on from Jed. This is an interesting tibit, and

841
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: I have to be super transparent. I don't know the timeline,

842
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: the details, but at some point over the past couple

843
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: of months, Hannah's brother started following Jed's girlfriend Hailey on Instagram.

844
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: So this leads me to think a couple of things. One,

845
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: was he doing research on everyone's Instagram and like really

846
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: tearing it apart. Two, does Hannah end up with Jed?

847
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: And Jed was actually honest once off camera that he

848
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend that he left, and then out of

849
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: out of deep curiosity, of course, Hannah's brother was like, well,

850
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: let's check this girl out, m that could be. That's

851
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: always fun to kind of find out who's falling who.

852
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested see how this plays out. I

853
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: hear it's going to be crazy from everybody's you know, insights,

854
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: it's a wild ending. Obviously, we want entertainment, but most

855
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: importantly we want truth and we want this in well

856
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: for Hannah, and so let's see how it ends. Okay, Um,

857
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: there's one email from Andrea and I'm I'm just skimming

858
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: through it right now. I'm like, Andrew, Andrew, do you

859
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: know that Jed had a girlfriend. But let's read it

860
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: out loud. I have some thoughts on why I think

861
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Jed is the right pick. Hannah has been in two

862
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: big relationships, and it sounds like both of them were messy.

863
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Jet is the only one that she has had some

864
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: messy talks with, even if it was about Luke. She

865
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: got to see how he dealt with an upsetting conversation,

866
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: how he communicates with her, and most importantly, how he recovers.

867
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Tyler and Peter have been butterflies and rainbows, but that's

868
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: not reality. At some point, she needs to see how

869
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: they deal with tough situations within a relationship. Okay, Well, Andrew,

870
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I was kind of saying about

871
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: how he just just was so honest with her last

872
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: night about a concern that he had of hers. The

873
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: truth of it all is, there's some fishy things going

874
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: on with Jed, and I have to be honest. I've

875
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: dismissed his relationship with Hannah for the last few weeks,

876
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: and I don't like that I've done that. But I

877
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: watched the show in fifteen minutes of the show is

878
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: worthless to me because it just doesn't feel real and

879
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't and I hate that for Hannah because I

880
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: watched this and at this point, in my eyes, she

881
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. She has no clue that there's something

882
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: so unhealthy going on in front of her eyes. And

883
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: that's Jed right Hey. That being said, I do feel

884
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: like they do get nitty gritty. They get a little

885
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: bit dirtier in conversation that we see than the other two.

886
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: I think they have something, and I think she believes

887
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: they have something, and I actually don't doubt that he

888
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: somewhat believes they have something. I think he's just forgotten

889
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: that he has a girlfriend now, which is even worse.

890
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Hey, Ashley, Jed's not healthy. We've got to

891
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,040
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892
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930
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Speaker 1: is bachel Nation's favorite husband. He's done a great job

931
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: at representing the franchise since the very beginning. His wonderful,

932
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: beautiful wife Trista has represented the franchise well for years,

933
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: being the Bachelor, number one Bachelor at the very first Bachelor,

934
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and his family is stunning, so stunning in fact, that

935
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: Ashley brings him up sporadically at random times about how

936
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: good looking that family is. Ryan Sutter is on the

937
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: line right now. Ryan, I have to admit that Um

938
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: and Jared will hate me for this but also agree

939
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: with me. When I saw you for like the first

940
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: and only time at Jane Tanner's wedding, I was like,

941
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: that man looks like Superman. Uh. That must have been

942
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: a while back, I think, And I think it was

943
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: probably the classes. It was Clark Kent look like Clark

944
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: Kent that night. It was a class. I would have

945
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: taken those off. It would have been just regular old

946
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Come on, Ryan, I'm definitely not Car Car Kinders, Superman

947
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: and Trusts are at least eight of credit for our kids. Um,

948
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: good sort of photogenic appearances. Well, see, just proving that

949
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: you're a very kind, wonderful one. No, that's not true.

950
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: But how are you, guys? We're doing great. Ryan. You've

951
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: entered into a world recently that I've been in for

952
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: last two years. You have switched career paths and started

953
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: a coffee company called Bearded Man Coffee. So before we

954
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: really get into that, how has it been entering in

955
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: the coffee world. It's been a whirlwind. I mean, it's

956
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: a fascinating world that you know. I always, just like

957
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: most people, UM, went as far as just liking coffee,

958
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: and I can drink a lot of it. You can

959
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: sort of learn to appreciate good versus bad coffee, and

960
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: that's that was kind of enough for me for a while.

961
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I always sort of appreciate the ritual

962
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: of it and getting up in the morning and making

963
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: it into it you like to make it and sharing

964
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: conversations with people over coffee and all that sort of stuff.

965
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: But that that, um, that all is rather intuitive to

966
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: most people. And then when you start get deep into it,

967
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: you know where the beans come from and how the

968
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: blends work, and how how they roasted, and all that

969
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm sure you're intimately familiar with. Um, it's

970
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: just there. It is a whole other world of education.

971
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: And learning and process and and then um throw on

972
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: top of that trying to run a business, you know,

973
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: surrounded by it, and it's um, it's crushing me some

974
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: to some degree. But again, I mean they say the

975
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: number one thing if you're gonna start a business, be

976
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: your own customer. And at least I have that going

977
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: for me. So I'm gonna start. I'm starting there and

978
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to build from that. You describe the flavor

979
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: of your coffee. What the flavor? You said that you

980
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: have to be your biggest fans, and now I want

981
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: to know why this coffee is your favorite. Well, so

982
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: I actually didn't start this company. It started a little

983
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: over a year ago with these two. These two these

984
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: that were where we're appropriately um, largely bearded, hugely passionate

985
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: coffee guys. I mean at the time, I'm growing a

986
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: beard slow and it's it's in this sort of awkward

987
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: achieve phase which makes you want to shave it every second,

988
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: but you have no Yeah, I'm doing my best at it.

989
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: But you know, these guys started it and they have

990
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: um our roaster. This guy Chat is um, he's the

991
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: guy like the mad scientist guy. So he's the one

992
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: with the really great the ability to find the right

993
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: taste profiles and all this sort of stuff. So we

994
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: have all kinds of different stuff from single origin to

995
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: special blends. And then we have a line of infused

996
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: coffees that have like we have a vanilla cayenne and

997
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: a chocolate and uh, you know, I hate vanilla, and

998
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: all these ones that have kind of oils, not a

999
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: lot of um calories or sugar, but these different oils

1000
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: infused into the beans. Which it's fun. Um I do

1001
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that sometimes on the weekend. I love just opening up

1002
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: the bag and smelling the the smell of those and

1003
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: then grinding them and that kind of remember that the

1004
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: grocery store. My mom uves to buy them and I

1005
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: was a little did we just stick my nose in

1006
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: the bag. It's so good, I know, I know, And

1007
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a fascinating science behind creating these

1008
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: different taste profiles, and it's just it's, you know, similar

1009
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways to wine, where you half

1010
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: the time I feel like they're making up the flavors

1011
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: just because they sound appealing to people. You know. It's

1012
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: almost like your horoscope where they just they just put

1013
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: it down and you're like, oh, yeah, that's totally that's

1014
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: totally me. Well really, it's totally like of the world.

1015
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of I don't want to

1016
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: be giving away trade secret to but I feel like

1017
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: to some degree, that's how they do coffee and wine

1018
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: and stuff. They just come up with sort of fancy

1019
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: ways to say it's bury and oaky and like the

1020
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: hint of um, you know, vanilla or something. But the

1021
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: infused ones they infused coffee being definitely um have a

1022
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: have a flavor that you can pick up. Well yeah,

1023
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: but like your coffee like Ben's coffee, yours gives back Yeah, yeah,

1024
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: gets back to the for the forest. So we um

1025
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: the you know, these guys approached me because of my

1026
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: sort of wildline fire experience, and they were looking for

1027
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: some way to give back in that regard, and they

1028
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: were already doing these this tree planning initiative, and so

1029
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: it goes under the philosophy of um of. I don't

1030
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: know who said it, but essentially, you know, you know

1031
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: when you're kind of a wise person, when you're willing

1032
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: to do something that you know you won't be able

1033
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: to necessarily um fully take advantage of, like planting a tree.

1034
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: By the time those trees are at the point where

1035
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: we're enjoying their shade or whatever, we may be long gone.

1036
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of the philocity behind that, and

1037
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, reforest regeneration and just trying to be environmentally conscious,

1038
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: to pay attention to our footprint and that sort of up.

1039
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: And then also UM refer to our love for the

1040
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: wilderness and that so it seems like an apropos place

1041
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: to UM donate some some time and money. D Ryan,

1042
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, what is your official role with this company? Well,

1043
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: it's turning into CEO, owner and CEO. It was initially

1044
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: kind of just influencer and then it became sort of

1045
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: business development and then I like to call myself UM

1046
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: sort of a global opportunity explorer because I was basically

1047
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: just reaching out to people all over the place trying

1048
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: to figure out how how the coffee industry works. But

1049
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: it's starting to settle down as we we mature as

1050
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: a company and try to grow, we're trying to UM

1051
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: place people in their positions of strength, and not that

1052
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: running the company is necessarily my strength, but I am

1053
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: super passionate about it, and I enjoyed and I have

1054
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: some education that lends to the skill set needed to

1055
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: do that. So I'm finding myself in in a little

1056
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: more of an administratively responsible role than I had initially intended. Yeah,

1057
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, Initially I was hoping I

1058
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: was just going to be able to tell people about

1059
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: the coffee and that was going to be what I did,

1060
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: and we would become wildly successful and I'd be able

1061
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: to retire and just drink coffee all over the world.

1062
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: And um, that was my dream that it was quickly

1063
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: realized wasn't gonna happen overnight. So I'm not surprised. I'm

1064
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: not surprised. I mean, Ryan Sutter has been known to

1065
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: do some incredible things in the world. Not only are

1066
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: you the winner of Tristan Wren now trist To Sutter's

1067
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: season of The Bachelorette, you're collared a firefighter, You're the

1068
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: father to Blakesley and Maxwell. You're also on Ninja Warrior.

1069
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: You had a stint in the NFL. I mean this,

1070
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: Your resume at this point is long, it's adventurous, it's awesome. Uh,

1071
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: you're every man's man. I remember I stopped up at

1072
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: your house a few years ago, You're leaving the next

1073
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: day to run a hundred miles literally run a hunter mile?

1074
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: Is actually, how does that make you feel? Um? I

1075
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: want to die. That may have been a mistake. I

1076
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: was that I might still be hurting from that was

1077
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: two years ago, but that was you know what it is.

1078
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe you guys will get to this

1079
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: point in your lies where you get to this point

1080
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: where you feel like you've accomplished a lot of things

1081
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: that you wanted to accomplish growing up, and you've kind

1082
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: of you've navigated your way through life well. And I'm

1083
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: certainly proud of who I am as a person now

1084
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: and what I've done, But um, I need to figure

1085
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: out how to live up to that um first half

1086
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: of my life and expand upon it in the second

1087
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: half of my life where I can't run a hundred

1088
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: miles anymore, and I can't play in the NFL, and

1089
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: um Ninja Warriors is difficult, and so all these things

1090
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: that are that we're we're kind of the low hanging

1091
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: fruit in life where you just for me anyway, I

1092
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: was always good at just being stubborn and persistent and

1093
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: working my way through these things in a lot of

1094
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: ways sort of physically, and and that becomes less and

1095
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: less of an auction. So things like like Beardoman coffee

1096
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: are my sort of new avenues of expression. Or that's

1097
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: where I'm hoping to find new avenues of expression where

1098
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: I can in part the wisdom of the past, the

1099
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: things that I've learned through all those experiences that we

1100
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: talked about, and try to redefine who I am and

1101
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: come up with a satisfying future for myself. And and

1102
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: that's the real um It's sort of a real challenge

1103
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: in life because I'd imagine most people go through I

1104
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: read an interesting article the other day about how the

1105
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: historically life expectancy was about my age, which is I'm

1106
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: almost forty five, and so now that's that's like half

1107
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: life expected to me. So people are biologically not always

1108
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: prepared for the second half of their life. When they're

1109
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: they're kind of running down and you're having to figure

1110
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: out and that's sort of the source of midlife crisis

1111
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: is and all that sort of stuff. And so I'm

1112
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: right there. I'm at that that place where I'm exploring

1113
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: for new new avenues and it's exciting, but it's also

1114
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of scary because I can't just all back on,

1115
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: um what has traditionally worked for me in the past. Yeah,

1116
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Actually, that middle life crisis is like

1117
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: a real thing and it's biological. It's super interesting. Before

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01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: we wrap up with you, we got to ask you

1119
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: if you've been watching this season. I know that Tristan

1120
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: says that she's just like the biggest Bachelor Bachelorette fan.

1121
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Now she's like, I don't even know that I was

1122
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: part of the show sometimes anymore. I didn't watch it

1123
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: like a fan. So what do you think? What do

1124
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: you think of the luke p situation? And who do

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: you think that Hannah should end up with? Um. I

1126
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: can provide very little insight here because I haven't I

1127
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: haven't had time to watch much of it because I've

1128
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: been trying to do all this cofee stuff in and

1129
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: it that's extending into the evenings. So the only thing

1130
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: I know about it is what I hear from Trista,

1131
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: and I think she tries to be understanding. Um, it's

1132
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: it's Becca. Is that her name right? Well? Hannah? That

1133
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: alright right? So I have to give her the benefit

1134
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: of the doubt. And um, there's a lot of generational

1135
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: differences between her and us, and so we don't I

1136
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: don't really understand where she's even coming from as a

1137
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: young woman and how things have changed since since I

1138
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: was in that phase of life. So I hope she's

1139
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: enjoying the process and I hope it works out for

1140
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: her in the end. We all always hope that, um,

1141
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: but you know, when it comes down to like like

1142
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: Ben for example, he was a Colorado guy, and so

1143
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: that was like, all right, I'm gonna watch that one,

1144
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: But this one, I just haven't had the time. It

1145
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: just hasn't worked out in my life to pay attention

1146
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: to obviously, since I don't even know I don't know

1147
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: who Luke p is and I didn't even know who

1148
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: what Hannah's actual name was. So I'm always guys, I'm

1149
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: I am definitely a fan of the franchise. Is changed

1150
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: my life forever, and you know, everyone who we have

1151
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: ever met through that process has been a wonderful assition

1152
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: to our lives. But I just am not very informed

1153
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: these days. That's totally fine. You guys can check out

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Speaker 1: five percent of all sales to the National Forest Foundation,

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Speaker 1: and every dollar donated a tree will be planted. Make

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Speaker 1: bag of bearded bad coffee. Perfect. Bye, Ryan, thank you,

1160
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks Ryan. All right, you guys, you know

1161
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Land and Vail Bail. There's some nice people and

1162
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: Veil Phils doing all right for some people who live

1163
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: in Veil. You're doing pretty well. Pretty got a pretty

1164
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: ritzy reputation, it does. But he's saving money. I wonder

1165
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: if Ryan is using Honey. I'm sorry about something we

1166
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: can all agree on. Saving money. Honey. It's free browser

1167
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Speaker 1: extension that scans the web for cupon codes and discounts

1168
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: while you shop online. Hey, Ash, I remember growing up

1169
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Speaker 1: my mom used to I think it was on Tuesday's

1170
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: have all the coupons from the magazines at the house,

1171
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: and she used to clip them. She's a clip clip

1172
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: coupon and we used to take them to the store.

1173
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: It's a tedious job because then we get to the

1174
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: line and we have to like sort through them all. Hey,

1175
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: Honey comes in and says, now, let's automate this. Honey

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Speaker 1: automatically applies the biggest savings to your car at checkout

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Speaker 1: like magic. It's magic, really freaking awesome. Like, I don't

1178
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Speaker 1: know how this idea hasn't existed for much longer than

1179
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: it has. It's kind of how I feel about most

1180
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: things that are successful is oh did I not create this?

1181
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: And this one is definitely one of It works on

1182
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: over twenty thousand sites like Amazon, norths Room, j cru, Nike,

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1185
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: you shop. All right, listen, I don't care how much

1186
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: money you make our listeners. You're doing great for yourselves.

1187
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're rolling and grooving and moving in this

1188
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: world making bookoo bucks. It doesn't mean that you don't save.

1189
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Can we all agree on that? Like, saving money is important?

1190
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Speaker 1: What did you just last save on? I have been

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: saving fifteen dollars on a new bedframe last night using

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: honey on Amazon, So I'm get a new bedframe. We

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: just bought a house in the mountains, but I guess

1194
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: my buddies and I did. Holy yeah, we just closed

1195
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: on it. It's a house in the mountains. You can

1196
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: actually rent it. Actually, it's it's gonna be up for

1197
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: rent um. Yeah, so we're gonna use it a couple

1198
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: of times a year, gonna rent it. But were bought

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Speaker 1: a new bedframe, we say fifteen bucks using Honey on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: You might think it sounds too good to be true,

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Speaker 1: like it's free and it saves you money, But what's

1202
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: the catch, Well, there's no cash. It's pretty simple. When

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: you use a coupon provided by Honey, they'll earn a

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Speaker 1: small commission from the merchant and they pass along some

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01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: of the savings to their members. So it's a win

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Speaker 1: win for everyone. But there's really no reason not to

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Speaker 1: use Honey. It's free to use and it's easy to

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Speaker 1: before the spot talked about talked to Ryan Center a

1213
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: man that communicates, Well, now let's talk about a man

1214
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: that communicates poorly. Luke P. We've talked about before in

1215
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: the podcast. Luke P is not going to get a

1216
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: place on this podcast that we're just gonna destroy him.

1217
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: Twitter has done that, the public has done that, a

1218
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: lot of fans have done that. This podcast is not

1219
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: going to destroy Luke p as a person. Um just

1220
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: not something that we necessarily want to get into. It's

1221
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: not fun, it doesn't make us feel great, But we

1222
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: want to discuss our opinions on the behavior is being done.

1223
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: And that's exactly when we discuss UH today. Hey, Ashley,

1224
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: let's start before we get into it. I have a

1225
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: few things to say about Luke for it um. I

1226
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: want to hear from you. First. I thought the first

1227
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: part of this date was good, like it seems like

1228
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: it was going in a way where was like all

1229
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden going Holy cow, Luke Pete could be

1230
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: it yep, and he's still the best kisser in her opinion.

1231
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: It felt like a relationship that was gonna last pass

1232
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: this week, where like the Jet relationship felt mega could

1233
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: end any at any moment. Could you imagine if they

1234
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 1: didn't have this conversation, how the date could have ended.

1235
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the conversation was probably inevitable.

1236
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: Once the fantasy suite that they want in the doors

1237
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: of the fantasyuite, fantasy suite if they got to that point.

1238
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: But good thing had happened on camera, right, What if

1239
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: that happened in the fantasy suite, we wouldn't have been

1240
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: able to see all this. Well, Actually, here's what we

1241
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 1: want to jump into that because we can talk about

1242
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: the first part of this day, it really doesn't matter

1243
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: because the last conversation is the moment that really matters

1244
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: to the listeners and to us. Luke P confronts Handah

1245
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: once again on her sex life. And after last week,

1246
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: we had some amazing conversation about sex. I mean, Twitter

1247
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: was really really healthy coming back to me about convicting

1248
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: me of Hey, you're a Christian. The Bible says x

1249
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: y Z, and you're saying, hey, let your freak flag

1250
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: fly and do what you gotta do. And we're some

1251
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: really healthy conversations back and forth and and and ones

1252
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed having um both publicly and privately

1253
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: offline with some of you. I want to contin that

1254
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: this week. Ashley and I've talked extensively about this whole scenario,

1255
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: but this is one that we want to sit in now.

1256
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: So last week we're gonna really probably talk about Luke

1257
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: P and sex and how Christians view sex, and I

1258
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: had my mom actually watched the episode and get her opinion,

1259
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: because my mom's going to come about it from a

1260
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: lot more conservative approach than I would. And here's what

1261
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: we came up with. You know what there's like. As

1262
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, Luke P is terrible at communicating

1263
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: first off, but I think he really went into this

1264
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: believing Hannah was gonna be his wife, and so we

1265
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: felt like this conversation was needed now a caveat. If

1266
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm about to marry somebody and I haven't talked to

1267
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: him about my preferences on sex, that's a problem. So

1268
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't blame luke P for wanting to have this conversation,

1269
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: and I think his lack of ability to communicate has

1270
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: thrown a cover over what he was actually trying to say,

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Speaker 1: which was, Hey, this is how I feel about sex,

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Speaker 1: this is what I desire for sex, and in any circumstance, man, woman, whatever,

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Speaker 1: same sex couples, you should have these conversations. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think he was wrong for one to have it.

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Speaker 1: I thought Hannah had probably, like we said, had wounds

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Speaker 1: opened up earlier in the season, so that when he

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Speaker 1: started talking about this, she resorted back to those thoughts

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Speaker 1: when he did shame her, when he did guilt her,

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Speaker 1: and so she reacted in a defensive manner, which put

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Speaker 1: him on the defense and put her on the defense.

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Speaker 1: And they just want to add each other. And that's

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Speaker 1: one thing that was sad, because they do think they

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: could have had a really healthy conversation about this. But

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Speaker 1: what Luke did is once again he approaches this and

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: in a very i would almost say chauvinistic way. His

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Speaker 1: toxic masculinity has covered up the core thing that he

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Speaker 1: was trying to say, which is, Hannah, I love you

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Speaker 1: so much and as my future wife, I want you healthy,

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Speaker 1: I want you thriving. I want you feeling joy and

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Speaker 1: feeling hope filled, and for whatever reason, he feels like

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Speaker 1: sex is taking that away. Now here's my question, though,

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Speaker 1: and it's in a style he's approached at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Here's the hardest part for me is any Christian can

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Speaker 1: do this and don't let him do this to you.

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Speaker 1: You can throw the Bible in the face and say

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Speaker 1: There's a tweet that Luke p started to give last night,

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Speaker 1: and it said, I just want people to hear biblical truth. Now, Luke,

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Speaker 1: get it. I think your heart is probably in a

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Speaker 1: decent place, good place. I'm not even I don't know

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01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: your heart. But let's not throw the Bible in people's

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: face as a weapon to shut down the conversation. You

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01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: were wrong, brother, you were wrong. And how you have

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01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: approached Hannah. You came out that with judgment and criticism.

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: And when Luke has judgment, criticism, isolation and anger and

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: any type of discord resolving around those done anything to

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01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: perpetuate truth, when his biblical truth ever been shared successfully

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01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: through the motivation of shame and Gail And now, don't

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: or a second tell me that he didn't come about

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: this from a place of shame and guilt. He used

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01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: words like you owe me. He used words that are

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: reference that if she did mess up, oh don't worry,

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: Holy old Luke will be there to catch you. Luke,

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: humble yourself, confront whatever insecurities are going on in your

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: own life, realized that yes, God does love you, He

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Speaker 1: also us love Hannah, and that yes, sex is a

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01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: massive topic that Christian, non Christian male female, whatever you

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01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: identify as, we are talking about and we are discussing.

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: Allow that discussion to happen. Do not put the conversation

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: in a corner from the beginning, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: you did. You mentioned sex, you surrounded it with a

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: bunch of negative terms and negative connotations, pushing Hannah into

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: a corner to allow her to get defensive instead of

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: opening up and saying, hey, as a Christian, my conviction

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: is that sex before marriage is not appropriate. It's not healthy,

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01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: it's not good. And as a woman I love and

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: my future wife, can we discuss what this looks like

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: for you? Instead? You assumed, because you assume that her

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: morals were the same as your morals, and as a result,

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: ends with you looking like a fool. And also happened

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: to use your good old, wholesome desire to share biblical

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: truth as the end all be all, And quite frankly,

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it because the Gospel says this that yes,

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: Jesus does love, he loves all, He's sacrificed all for

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: every single person walking the earth. That God does love you.

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: I I know that, and his desire is never to

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01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: reject anybody. The only thing that he rejects is rejection.

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, you opened the door up for rejection immediately,

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: and it's unhealthy and it's unsafe, and I have to

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01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: convict you of checking yourself now to make sure that

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: you aren't throwing the first stone. Sermons by Ben I

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01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: think that was so great. I don't want to elaborate,

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01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: but I do have two questions for you. Earlier I

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: said that uh Luke should leave the judging up to God.

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: After hearing that, I feel like I don't want to

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: even say that God's judge of minds all. I think

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: there's things that got I mean, this is my belief

1347
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna yeah, I was gonna say, what

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: do you personally interpret? I so interpret this that there

1349
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: are things in our life that Jesus has opened up

1350
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: to be the most wise way to live on this earth.

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: We talked about last week sex is powerful. Let's I

1352
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: don't think there's any person in this world that's gonna

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: say that sex is not powerful. It is powerful, Christian

1354
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: or non Christian. And I think we have to confront

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: as humans, what is the healthiest way for us to

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: practice and participate in sex. Now, outside of that, I

1357
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: would have to know your history, your traditions, your backstory,

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: your story leading each of this day. To even come

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: to a place to understand why you choose to have

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: sex or not to have sex, I would have to

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: know your story really on every topic, to know what

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01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: convicts you and what doesn't. Now we can surround it

1363
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: by saying, yes, the Bible says do not have sex. Now.

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to generalize this,

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: but the Bible says a lot of things that we

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: don't follow to this day, and I think oritually in

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: this world, Christians have grew drug sex and alcohol and

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: the same grouping and forced us to feel shame even

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: talking about sex. And so yeah, we can dismiss the

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: conversation by saying the Bible says a lot of different

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: things that we don't follow. We can also dismiss the

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: conversation by saying that the Bible says do not have sex.

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: We can shut down the conversation using your trump card, card,

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: the Bible or God in a second. That's not what

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01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm interested in. I'm interesting having the conversation. I'm interested

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: in understanding who you are and what you're doing and

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: why you're participating in things you are. Outside of that,

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: I have no place to judge you, I have no

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 1: place to react to you. I need to know you first,

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 1: and so Luke or anybody's approach here, and I challenge

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01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: all of us to be curious first, to try to

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: understand first, to ask questions first, and then you are

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: more than welcome to share your opinion second. But until

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: you understand who I am and where I've came from

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: and what I've been through, you have no right to

1386
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: criticize me. And I hope that's what Hannah saying. I

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: think that's what Hannah saying because I hope that one

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01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: day Hannah finds a man that loves her so much

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: and respects her so much that both of them can

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: hold them to each other accountable to things that are

1391
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 1: healthy and not healthy in their lives and in their relationships.

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: I hope that when she says no man will ever

1393
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: tell me what to do, I hope she means that

1394
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,879
Speaker 1: outside of the confines of a loving, respectful, healthy marriage,

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: that is keeping each other supported and accountable. But I

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: don't think Luke coming about it as a place of

1397
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: this is right and wrong, and I know right and wrong,

1398
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 1: and I want to share biblical truth with you, and

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: don't worry when you slip up. I'm the best guy.

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01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm the best guy ever, So I'm gonna be there

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01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: to catch you because I got your girl. I hope

1402
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: he knows that that comes from a place of ego

1403
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: and insecurity and he needs to check himself. And I

1404
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: would tell him that to his face right now if

1405
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: he was on this call. He needs to check himself,

1406
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: because that got really scary really quickly. It got really

1407
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 1: weird to watch. I have one last thing to talk about,

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01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: because you just mentioned it briefly. I love how Hannah

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01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: pointed out that pride is a sin, just as having

1410
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: sex before marriage is a sin. And he has demonstrated

1411
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: that and plenty of other sins throughout the season, but

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: it was Secks that he decided to harp on well,

1413
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: and I want to say this. This is where maybe

1414
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: I want to talk to Hannah is because she says

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: those things and I agree with her. Right, we could

1416
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: all point out each other sins. We could all point

1417
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: out the planks in her own eye and the things

1418
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: that we're missing in ourselves, and we could also cast

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01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 1: a stone every single person around us and say, hey,

1420
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: you're doing this wrong, and you're doing this wrong. It's easy,

1421
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: but that's not hard to do. We're all doing stuff

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: wrong Christian, non Christian, you know, the Pope to Mother treaty.

1423
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: So we're all messing up. But I'm wondering what one

1424
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: thing I can't do. And there's a great little section

1425
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: in the Bible it talks about this is by God's grace.

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01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: We are all forgiven, at least in your the Christian

1427
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: belief system, that we are fully forgiven by God's grace

1428
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: for everything we have done and will do. That's how

1429
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: big God's grace is, and that's how much he loves us.

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01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: But it also says, shall we just go on sinning? Then,

1431
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: if we're already forgiven? Should we just let ourselves lose?

1432
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: Of course not, because it's not healthy, it's not good.

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01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: It's not cultivating a life of joy, of fulfillment. It's

1434
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: not allowing us to be the biggest, best versions of

1435
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: ourselves in this world. If we just keep on sinning, going,

1436
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: don't worry. God's forgiven me. So the thing that I'm

1437
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: confused by, and I have to ask Hannah is when

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: she tells Luke, hey, I'm good with this then as

1439
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: a friend of hers or as a participant. I go, Okay,

1440
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know your backstory, Hannah. If you're good with

1441
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: this and this isn't something that's taking away from your

1442
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: life and that you don't see as an issue that

1443
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: you haven't been convicted of, then I don't have a

1444
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: place to make you feel shame filled for it. But

1445
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: in your tweets or in your Instagram captions, if you're

1446
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: saying I do feel shame for this. I've messed up,

1447
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: I keep messing up, but God's for giving me, then

1448
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: I want to come beside you as a friend and say, well,

1449
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: then how do we help you stop making decisions that

1450
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: are not making you feel like the best versions of yourself.

1451
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm confused. That's why I'm getting the

1452
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: miss miscommunication from her. Is it feels like at one

1453
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: point she's saying one thing in confidence, and the next

1454
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: point she's saying something like, no, I know I'm messing up,

1455
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: but then w God's forgive me, And I say, yeah,

1456
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: of course he has that's not of course God's forgiven you.

1457
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: But is it healthy? Is it good? Is it right? Ben?

1458
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for all that. It was really like I

1459
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to sit here and listen. It was really

1460
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: perfectly articulated. And to end this episode on a fun note,

1461
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: that was great. It was super fun, super fun. But like,

1462
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: way to change the topic. We have a winner for

1463
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: the What's in Your Console email challenge? Yeah, this is

1464
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: from r L. She says she has wax strips. I

1465
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: keep it wax strips in my center consoles so I

1466
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: can wax my eyebrows on the go. I get in

1467
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: the road to grab a strip, turn up the heat,

1468
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: let the strip warm, and then wax. People think it's silly,

1469
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: but the sun is the best for lighting and heating it.

1470
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: That is that isn't Yes, you do have to warm

1471
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: it up like those at home. Wax strips like usually

1472
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: run between your hands and really really fast. I went

1473
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: through mine yesterday and I found a parking ticket from

1474
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: Syracuse first from six and a half years ago, and

1475
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: I found some of my favorite albums. Just sit in

1476
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: the center console I found Uh. I found lip Bomb

1477
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: that had melted probably three or four years ago and

1478
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: has continued to melt ever since then. So it's given

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Speaker 1: me a nice layer of hydration at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: my council. Oh great, um, hey, uh really appreciate you Hannah.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. Thanks for letting us talk about

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Speaker 1: you for the last few weeks. We're gonna continue to

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Speaker 1: do that next week on the Almost Famous podcast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Courtney Robertson and Ryan Center for coming on. Ashley,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations having a great bridal shower. Congratulations on meeting Jess's family.

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Speaker 1: Big deal. Hey, I don't want to talk about this

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Speaker 1: all the time. It's not my place, not the podcast

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Speaker 1: to do it. I just want to let you know,

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: ash and the listeners out there no that conversations about

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Speaker 1: God and about sex are super healthy. We should keep

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01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: talking about it, like beliefs and ideals and stories and

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01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: backgrounds and sex and everything that we do in our lives.

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01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: It's healthy to be vulnerable. I want to encourage you

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Speaker 1: all to be vulnerable, because I promise you, once you

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01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: start talking about this stuff, you realize that even when

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01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: you feel at your darkest and you're most alone, you're

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01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: on alone. All of us are struggling, all of us

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: are dealing with stuff. All of us have done things

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Speaker 1: that now we feel convicted of that we know weren't

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Speaker 1: healthy for us, but yet we did them and we

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01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: can't stop doing them. Sometimes or maybe we stopped doing

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01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: him and we realized that it's healthy. Whatever that is.

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Speaker 1: Just know that you're not alone and that I truly

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: personally believe she just really does love you, that that

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: at the core of it all mess up or not,

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: that that there's a guy that really does care. And

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Speaker 1: so Hannah, thanks for talking. Let us talk about it. Luke,

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Speaker 1: I do want to say, for all the things that

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Speaker 1: you've done really wrong and that we've made fun of,

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Speaker 1: your not gone from this show and I'm gonna miss

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Speaker 1: it a little bit because I do think that you

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Speaker 1: felt convicted of talking about something that was super meaningful

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Speaker 1: to you. I might not agree most of the time

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Speaker 1: with how you shared it, or in what context you

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Speaker 1: shared it in, or how you treated others, but dude,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about it. You're being vulnerable to the best

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Speaker 1: of your ability, I would believe, and I would I

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Speaker 1: would have to say to that, congrats. I hope that

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Speaker 1: you feel good about your experience on this show, and

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Speaker 1: that I want nothing for anybody but really positive things

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: to happen after it, because damn it, man, this could

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01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: be really hard on somebody that comes into the show

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01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: and leave feeling like they left something on the table.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he did not enjoy the show. However,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna learn a lot from it and

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Speaker 1: he hopefully will be a changed man from it. So too,

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Speaker 1: ash You're the best. Appreciate you, Appreciate you. Come on, hey,

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Speaker 1: uh if you have any comments, questions, concerns, if you

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Speaker 1: really want to disagree with me, I would find that

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Speaker 1: super enjoyable this week. Hashtag almost Famous podcast on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: or email us at Ben and Ashley R heart media

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, we appreciate you. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next week. I've been, I've been Ashley. Follow the Benn

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Speaker 1: and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or

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