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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Hey, everybody, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Six presented by A A R

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Speaker 1: P DJ and Bucky with you here, not in the

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Speaker 1: same country, but always together. How you doing, Buck Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I can't complain. Things are good over here

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Speaker 1: across the pond. Uh the UK assume you what the guy.

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Speaker 1: The fans in London love American football, so it's been

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Speaker 1: great to kind of expose them to the game from

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Speaker 1: my my standpoint. All right, now tell me this, now,

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Speaker 1: give me a little behind the scenes. Here. Are you staying,

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Speaker 1: like in the same place that you stayed last time?

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Speaker 1: And what's what's our set up over there? What we're

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Speaker 1: working with. Our set up is I'm in a little

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, DJ, if you can imagine like being

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Speaker 1: and kind of stand at an extended state hotel, but

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Speaker 1: that is nice, man. I gotta get a piece of

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Speaker 1: this action. Man. I love I love you over there

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Speaker 1: a couple of times now, uh and I we were

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Speaker 1: talking before we went on here. Uh. People on social media, Man,

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Speaker 1: they love Bucky Brooks. They love having you over there. Man.

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Speaker 1: So I look a the NFL started with a little lead,

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Speaker 1: a little lead on us, But I've got you as

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Speaker 1: like you're like my number one, uh, my number one

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Speaker 1: guy right now over there, just freaking preaching to move

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Speaker 1: the six gospel over there. I love it, you know, DJ.

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Speaker 1: Somehow we have to find a way to do some

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Speaker 1: draft stuff, um that gets back to the UK so

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Speaker 1: they can experience that. I know they're around. The NFL

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Speaker 1: guys kind of have a foothold on some of the

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Speaker 1: separate ourselves by providing us in contact to the UK

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Speaker 1: strictly on the NFL Draft and some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that goes along around that from your lips to our bosses. Ears, Um,

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Speaker 1: who Man, it's it's awfully kind of him to join

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a cheap shot because ESPN literally right

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson the twelfth pick um. So you know, having

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Speaker 1: to get that guy in the first, second or third pick.

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Speaker 1: We have recent evidence of Hey, you know, look since

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Speaker 1: Anati Bengals, even with if they if they take Chase Young,

431
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Speaker 1: who's the best player in the draft, to get some

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Speaker 1: of these guys back healthy, more than likely they're probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be picking in the top. You know, seven to

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Speaker 1: twelve range, and we've seen in recent history you can

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Speaker 1: get your quarterback there. So I don't know. If you

436
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Speaker 1: get a player like that, you take him, just take

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Speaker 1: take Chase and don't think twice. They can look at

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Speaker 1: the success they had with Andy Dalton, a second round pick. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think if they're doing that we talked about this

440
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Speaker 1: quarterback class, I think, what you go and do, using

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton as the model, go and get someone who

442
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Speaker 1: has played a ton of football games, uh, someone who

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Speaker 1: has experienced so when he is ready to take it over,

444
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Speaker 1: he has that stuff. And I'm not saying that Ryan

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Speaker 1: Finley can't be that guy. I think what they have

446
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Speaker 1: to ask themselves how much do they like Ryan Finley?

447
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Speaker 1: How can he develop over the next year or two

448
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Speaker 1: to become the quarterback? Did they threw him out there

449
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Speaker 1: too soon? I know a lot of us on this

450
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Speaker 1: side make these quick judgments on a player. Look, he

451
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Speaker 1: only play like three games, So I'm not ready to

452
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Speaker 1: say that Ryan Finley can or can't play because we

453
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Speaker 1: haven't seen them long enough. But I do know that

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton gives them an opportunity to jump start to

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Speaker 1: rest of their team while you don't and have to

456
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Speaker 1: worry about that quarterback is the top ten quarterback. No,

457
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Speaker 1: but he's good enough. He's a midlevel quarterback that you

458
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Speaker 1: can win games with. Because they have one games with them,

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Speaker 1: I think they can continue to go down that course. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we we talked about and we'll get into this

461
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Speaker 1: in the spring as well. We had, um, we talked

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Speaker 1: about those twelve players you need, you know, to be

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Speaker 1: a championship level team, and we kind of classified them

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Speaker 1: right playmakers quarterback, two pass rushers, you know, three playmakers

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Speaker 1: in the back end, you know, combine the second third

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Speaker 1: level of defense. We can go back into that in

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Speaker 1: the spring. But Sincinnati Bengals have a lot of empty

468
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Speaker 1: chairs in all those spots, so it's gonna take time

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Speaker 1: to fill them. So if you can get if you

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Speaker 1: can get the best of the bunch that fills a chair,

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Speaker 1: get him. And that's Chase Young. He fills that chair

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Speaker 1: for them. So um again, we're gonna have all spring

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Speaker 1: to have this debate in this discussion book. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's fun. It's gonna be a fun to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great discussion to talk about. Is

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Speaker 1: one does that we have to because it all comes

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Speaker 1: down to your team building model. Um, how do you

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Speaker 1: believe even building your team for sustainable success is that

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback first, didn't build around it later or

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Speaker 1: build the rest of the team. And then when you

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Speaker 1: find your quarterback, drop him in and you're ready to

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Speaker 1: go yep, And I like that. I like that thinking

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Speaker 1: they're building up the team and dropping him in. Financially

484
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Speaker 1: it makes more sense as well. Um, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: get to our buddy here, Bruce Feltman. Uh, who again

486
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Speaker 1: is the best in the business when you're talking about

487
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Speaker 1: reporting on what's going on in the college football world,

488
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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to coaches, um during this time

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Speaker 1: of year. So I had a chance to catch up

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Speaker 1: with him. Here's our conversation with Bruce Feltman. All right, Buck,

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Speaker 1: here he is our buddy, Bruce. Bruce, First of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. I know

493
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Speaker 1: this is your busy time here in the coaching carousel,

494
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Speaker 1: and one of the things that's taking place as we're

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Speaker 1: talking right now is Chris Peterson's press conference. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: let's start there because that's a name we've always talked about,

497
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Speaker 1: is somebody to keep an eye on for the NFL

498
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Speaker 1: potentially making that switch, and now he decides to just

499
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Speaker 1: kind of step down from the universe. Still watching they

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Speaker 1: promote Jimmy Lake, and now the big question is what's

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Speaker 1: next for Chris Peterson. What do you think? I think

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Speaker 1: Chris Peterson talked about getting recharged and rested a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he went in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is so so big into the development and helping

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Speaker 1: kids beyond just football that I don't think he's wired

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Speaker 1: to be an NFL coach. I don't think it gets

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Speaker 1: him what he really is driven for. I mean I

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten to know him over the last you know,

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Speaker 1: six or seven years. I mean, he's a very deep thinker.

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Speaker 1: He's a really interesting guy, has a lot of interest

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Speaker 1: beyond just football. Uh that factor into people's lives. So

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna be sitting in some TV

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Speaker 1: studio that's not him. I think he's gonna sit there

514
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Speaker 1: and say, Okay, how how do I kind of gets

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Speaker 1: the passion back? But just you know, he's a grinder.

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Speaker 1: It's always a grind. I mean, more for him than

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Speaker 1: almost any other coach I can think of. When we

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Speaker 1: do our Friday production meetings for TV. Most uh college coaches,

519
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Speaker 1: they get where that's coming from. Chris Peterson just he

520
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Speaker 1: just wants to get to the game. And I think

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Speaker 1: what he talked about today on at his press conference

522
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Speaker 1: was a little bit how he stopped enjoying the things

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Speaker 1: that he knows better that he needs to enjoy. And

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Speaker 1: so I think he's going to try to figure out

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Speaker 1: how do I kind of get that back, or maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't come back. And I think he probably fine

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Speaker 1: if he didn't do that, you know, Bruce, I I

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Speaker 1: do wonder because like he went from boys in no

529
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Speaker 1: disrespect to boys, but boys. It was a little under

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Speaker 1: the radar, a little lower profile program too. Now he's

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Speaker 1: in the pect. Well, if he's coaching at Watchington, he

532
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Speaker 1: wrote he brought them back to prominence. Do you think

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Speaker 1: he could be a guy that may just be comfortable

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Speaker 1: kind of coaching at like a mid major level where

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Speaker 1: he can just kind of really focus on coach with

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Speaker 1: all without all the fanfare, or do you believe he

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Speaker 1: just needs arrest Indian he will take on another challengee

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Speaker 1: like he had at Wahington. I think it's probably he

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Speaker 1: may not come back to coach again. I mean, I

540
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Speaker 1: feel like they're from from talking to guys who are

541
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Speaker 1: close to him at Boise, and they thought he got

542
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Speaker 1: really burned out and needed a new challenge there towards

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Speaker 1: the end, they had noticed the difference in the last

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Speaker 1: two years, because remember, you know, it's been a while now,

545
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Speaker 1: but there was a long time where people like, he's

546
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Speaker 1: never gonna leave boys, because everybody assumed he would. And

547
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Speaker 1: then eventually he started. You know, I remember talking to

548
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Speaker 1: one specific guy who had been on his staff who said,

549
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Speaker 1: this is it he he really need is looking to

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Speaker 1: get out. He wasn't looking to go to USC because

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Speaker 1: you know, we're all in southern California and that's more

552
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Speaker 1: of a fish bowl and it's a different kind of

553
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: job than his personality probably covets and everything. But Washington

554
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: was a good fit at the time. I mean, he

555
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: actually six or seven years anywhere these days in college

556
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Speaker 1: coaching is a long time. I don't think it's coincidental

557
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Speaker 1: that the time this came out was right when the

558
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Speaker 1: startup coach that we're going on the recruiting, recruiting trail.

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Speaker 1: Some coaches love that. I don't think that's Chris Peterson

560
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Speaker 1: wants that grind right now. So I I you know,

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Speaker 1: it would not at all surprise me if this was

562
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Speaker 1: it for him as a college coach. I mean, he's

563
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Speaker 1: not Urban Meyer in terms of, you know, the same

564
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Speaker 1: kind of personality. He's a super you know, super competitive guy.

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Speaker 1: But I just think some of the things that he's

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Speaker 1: wired for a little different than a lot of other

567
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Speaker 1: coaches we've seen. Well, one thing is he's universally respected,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: a couple other college coaches potentially making the leap, because

570
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Speaker 1: we're looking around the NFL and we've been talking about

571
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Speaker 1: it on our podcast all the time about how it's

572
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Speaker 1: kind of throwback football right now. When you look at

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Speaker 1: what the Baltimore Ravens are doing with Lamar Jackson playing

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Speaker 1: with three tight ends all the time, you look at

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners, what they're doing with all

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Speaker 1: the tight ends and fullbacks, and and gets me thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if we do the copycat thing, which we saw the McVeigh,

578
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Speaker 1: you know, copycat thing explode last year. So if these

579
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Speaker 1: are the hot teams this year, I start thinking about

580
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Speaker 1: guys like David Shaw at Stanford, who is long resistant

581
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Speaker 1: making the move to the NFL, but somebody that definitely

582
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Speaker 1: knows how to play with multiple tight ends and fullbacks

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Speaker 1: and and while that's kind of gotten away from the

584
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Speaker 1: college game a little bit, the NFL has embraced it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: That's one that's interesting to me. The man who he

586
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Speaker 1: worked for, Harbaugh, Jim harball See and his brother John

587
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: with success he's having is another one. I would keep

588
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Speaker 1: an eye on just those two guys specifically, who would

589
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Speaker 1: you say would be more likely to take that opportunity

590
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Speaker 1: should have present itself. Well, I mean I would guess

591
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Speaker 1: David Shaw. And for this reason, Jim Harbaugh, as competitive

592
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Speaker 1: as he is, can he really live with himself if

593
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Speaker 1: he walked away from his alma mater going oh and

594
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Speaker 1: five against the one opponent that really matters. I mean,

595
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Speaker 1: not only did they lose, I mean a couple of

596
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: years ago, it was a close game, but they got

597
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Speaker 1: their butts kicked the last two years. How does he

598
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Speaker 1: walk away from that? And I know Stanford, you know

599
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Speaker 1: we did the opener of the Stanford had against Northwestern,

600
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Speaker 1: which looked like it was the top twenty five game,

601
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Speaker 1: and both teams stunk this year. Obviously, Stanford had a

602
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: bunch of bad injuries. But I think and David Shaw

603
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Speaker 1: loved this situation up there from everything I've been told

604
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Speaker 1: and everything I've heard from him in conversation. Um, but

605
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Speaker 1: just I don't see how Harriback could leave. You asked

606
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Speaker 1: me to pick one over the other, who would be

607
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: more like little leaves. I think David Shaw knows he's

608
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: done a terrific job, and I think he'd beat at

609
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Speaker 1: peace with what he did there. How can Jim Harbaugh

610
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Speaker 1: think that, you know, Bruce and and thinking about that,

611
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Speaker 1: like David Shaw is certainly a good a good one

612
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: to think about. But we've heard these other names that

613
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: have come out. I know, Matt Campbell just signed an

614
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Speaker 1: extension with Iowa State on the last day or so,

615
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Speaker 1: But we're hearing more people warming up to Matt Rule

616
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Speaker 1: after the great job that he's done at Baylor and

617
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Speaker 1: then before that at Temple. If you're a guy like

618
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Speaker 1: Matt Rule who's kind of got that Baylor program up

619
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Speaker 1: and running, it looks like they're on the verge of being,

620
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Speaker 1: um a major player in the Big twelve? Would you

621
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Speaker 1: leave that job maybe to venture into the NFL. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he fancies himself as a college coach or

623
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Speaker 1: does he really see himself as an NFL coach. I

624
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Speaker 1: think he would tell you he sees himself as just

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Speaker 1: a coach. I mean, when DJ started that question before

626
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Speaker 1: about Harbaugh and David Shaw, I think he used the

627
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: word I don't know if he used the word throwback

628
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Speaker 1: or old school, whatever it was. I was like, Oh,

629
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Speaker 1: here we go, We're going right that rule because his

630
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: teams are physical, they were temple tough and all that stuff,

631
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Speaker 1: and he instills a culture at the part where and

632
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Speaker 1: this is a little bit like the Chris Peterson stuff

633
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Speaker 1: where I'm like he seems like a college guy, is

634
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Speaker 1: because he's really good at developing people, not just players.

635
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Speaker 1: And I think he's won. He's eleven and one and

636
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. And basically he's played his team has played

637
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: one bad half of football and that was, you know,

638
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Speaker 1: against Oklahoma. The part that I think it goes way

639
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Speaker 1: beyond what he's done X and os and winning games

640
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: is I mean, that program and that that situation that

641
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Speaker 1: was as toxic as could be. And I saw it

642
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Speaker 1: a little bit when when Jim grow who was a

643
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: really decent man, went in there as the fill in

644
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Speaker 1: after our Briles was run out of there and the

645
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: A D was run out of there, and ken Starr

646
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: was run out of there, and and uh Jim Grove

647
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: with with great uh moral reputation took some some some

648
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, it took some some shots there from people

649
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: who thought he didn't always handle things or didn't say

650
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: everything perfect at the podium and saying that to get

651
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: to this, um, Matt Rules always says the right thing

652
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: in a time where you know, you were all on

653
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: Twitter where it's very easy to offend or say the

654
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: wrong thing, Matt Rule always seems to say the right thing.

655
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: And that kind of guy, you would think, and I'm

656
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Speaker 1: not saying there aren't good character guys leading NFL programs,

657
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: but I feel like that piece is even more critical

658
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Speaker 1: when you're the face of it, when you're really the

659
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Speaker 1: face of a university. And that's why, uh yeah, he

660
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Speaker 1: interviewed before and I know, you know, he interviewed I

661
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: think the last two years for NFL jobs. I think

662
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: they're still gonna be interest but he's done already a

663
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Speaker 1: lot of the heavy lifting at Baylor, one of the

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00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: big the other programs in the state of Texas are

665
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: on shaky ground right now. Gary Patterson TCU had some

666
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: down years. Uh. Tom Herman just had a dud of

667
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: a year where he's had to basically clean house on

668
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: his staff. If I'm not rule, I'm looking around at

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00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the landscape, going we got this thing rolling. We're in

670
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: pretty good shape right now. Let me see where this

671
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: is going to lead us. One more, one more name

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00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: on the coaching side. I want to get some of

673
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: these players. You've been around, Bruce, and we'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: But Dan Mullen is one that I found interesting. We

675
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: threw this out on the podcast a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if we've talked about this on the

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00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: phone or not, but I just thought the Dallas Cowboys

678
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: and Dan Mullen was an interesting fit. And for a

679
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Obviously the relationship with Dak Prescott can

680
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: bring some of the college offense in the in the

681
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: quarterback run game that Dack's plenty capable of doing. And

682
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: then also he's not a star that's gonna outshine Jerry Jones,

683
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: which seemed to be kind of the three citeria you

684
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: would need to get that job. And I just think

685
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: that when you add some of those factors up and

686
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: that's seen it anywhere. It's just it actually makes a

687
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: little sense to me. Yeah, we actually you mentioned this

688
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: to me. I remember on my after my drive back

689
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: from the Bedlam game, it was like midnight. Were on

690
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: the phone and I was like, that makes a lot

691
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: of sense. I haven't heard it either. I told some

692
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: people I work with about about your theory, and it

693
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: makes it lines up. Now that's not saying I've talked

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Speaker 1: to Dan mullen or talked to anybody who represents them, um.

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00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: But but in terms of that, if he has a

696
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: remote interest in being an NFL head coach or being

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: on that big of a stage, um Man, that would

698
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: be tempting. We're talking about a guy from New Hampshire

699
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: going to become the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys

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00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: with the guy you developed as as the front of it.

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00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Um You know, that's an interesting one and I don't know,

702
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Mollen has never been one you've heard

703
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: has been like like at Osan at L s u

704
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Is is obsessed with recruiting. There are some head coaches

705
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: who are that way, most of them are, many of

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00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: them are not. I've never heard Dan Mullen fits into

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00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: that category and being there, there's a lot of there's

708
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: a lot of college coaches who I think look at

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00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: the NFL and keep in mind, last offseason, Dan Mullen

710
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: had a really messy one with a lot of stuff

711
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: and drama going on players with sexual violence allegations against them,

712
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: some of his recruiting stuff was brought up that was

713
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: messy at a bunch of people on his program that

714
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Speaker 1: we're arrested. And it's not to say that people in

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00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: the NFL won't care at all about that, but those

716
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: kinds of things get kind of more become more backburner

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00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: issues than they are if you're if you're at the

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00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: University of Florida. So even that, I think kind of

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00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: makes me think. I don't want to say there's something there,

720
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: but because again I don't know that there's anything there,

721
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: but on that part, it is more intriguing to hear it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bruce, I kin't want to flip from coaches

723
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: to just get your perspective on players, because you've been

724
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: around a lot of these guys, and I am fascinated

725
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: in the sudden ascension of Joe Burrow Um people who

726
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: talking about and potentially being the number one overall pick

727
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: in the draft, and and all those things. But I

728
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: need to get a clear understanding of the backstory at

729
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State and even the first year l s U.

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Speaker 1: Because he didn't win the starting job at Ohio State

731
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: and he was okay last year. Look, you know him

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00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: better than anybody else. Why should I believe that he's

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00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: more than just a one year one. I think because

734
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: knowing the guys at l s U who who work

735
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: with him every day, the biggest things is his intangibles

736
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: are off the charts. Here's here's what I think. Stats

737
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: are ridiculously impressive. Obviously, and what he's done in big

738
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: games on third downs, all those what if you want

739
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: to call like advanced stats. He is as good as

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00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna get. But the part that the people who

741
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: work with them really love is how smart he is. Obviously,

742
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: he's the coaches kid. His dad Jimmy, is a longtime

743
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in the MAC. But so you have a

744
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: really really smart kid. Uh, you have a kid who's

745
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: way more athletic than I think people realized. I mean,

746
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of plays with his leg extending plays.

747
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: He's a super tough kid. You go back to uh

748
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: New Year's Day last year, they're playing UCF. He throws

749
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: a pick six and he gets absolutely obliterated on a

750
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: blind side block on the way down. I remember watching

751
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: that game thinking, man, L s U is about to

752
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: get run out of this game because there's a gap

753
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: between him and Miles Brennan, the backup, and he not

754
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: only like, you know, the the energy for UCF at

755
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: that point was we're about to take down a big

756
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: SEC program. What happens next, Joe Burrow goes back into

757
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: the lineup and in a situation where you would have

758
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna he's gonna be done for the day,

759
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: and I don't. He probably completed his past from that,

760
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: and then they end up lighting up you CF and

761
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: win in the game. And I think from that moment on,

762
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: if anybody questioned who was the difference maker at L

763
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: s U, they got their answer. I mean, he's a

764
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: super tough kid, he's very smart, and he's really athletic,

765
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: and I think they, you know, credit to oseron he

766
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: made a smart higher finding Joe Brady when nobody else

767
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: knew who this guy was on the Saints staff and

768
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: he was a big believer from day one, and I

769
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: think that relationship has been has been really critical. Uh.

770
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: And I think what you see with that team is

771
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: there's a couple other guys who I'm sure are now

772
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: on your radar. Clyde Edwards Hilaire is a little running

773
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: back who was a three star guy. Honestly, he might

774
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: be better than the two guys who LS you just

775
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: put into the NFL in terms of being an all

776
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: around back, selfless kid, toughest could be. And you see

777
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: that you said that with Justin Jefferson, a two star recruit,

778
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: And I think all these guys kind of have followed

779
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows lead. And I think that's what I'm not

780
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: saying he's a can't miss guy because it's not like

781
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: he has a huge arm. I mean, you're gonna find

782
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: a bigger arm in Justin Herbert, and you're gonna find

783
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: certainly a bigger guy. But in terms of just the

784
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: intent engineables, I mean, look, if Andy Dalton's gonna be

785
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback for a long time, I mean I

786
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: think Joe Burrows, you know Andy Dalton times four and

787
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: probably uh, you know, I don't want I don't want

788
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna be another Russell Wilson, because Russell

789
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Wilson has a bigger arm than him. But I think

790
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: he brings some of those same intangibles that a lot

791
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: of people loved about Russell. I think you hear about

792
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff from from from Joe. We're gonna

793
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: get you one one more quarterback here, Bruce, and then

794
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: we'll let you run um. But maybe the most intriguing

795
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: evaluation of anybody that you're looking at in this upcoming

796
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: draft class, I think Jalen Hurts would be near the

797
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: top of that list when you look at the transformation

798
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: from him going from Alabama to to Oklahoma and Bruce

799
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: pass or thirty one touchdown, six picks over almost twelve yards.

800
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Uh an attempt here. I mean this is the numbers

801
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: are outrageous. We've seen out an outrageous numbers from the

802
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: previous two guys who were went number one overall one

803
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: Heisman's Uh. Jalen Hurts? What what what took off for him?

804
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Other than just the scheme because he had player we

805
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: know he had players obviously in Alabama, but other than

806
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: just Lincoln Riley in the scheme, What's what's changed with him?

807
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: I think maybe he maybe he's running it even more.

808
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a lot like a like the

809
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: old style Oklahoma offense under Barry Switzer, except it's it's

810
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: out of a spread more. I am a little more

811
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: cautious on Jalen as an NFL quarterback prospect. Here's the

812
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: things that and we did for his games this year.

813
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: So I've seen a lot of them, seen a lot

814
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: of them down the stretch. The numbers, as you said,

815
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: are really eye popping, but I would take a little

816
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: about with a grain of salt. We had them against

817
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Iowa State. I Alway State almost came back to win

818
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: that game. He threw two balls that we're gonna be

819
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: picked six as they were dropped. Uh. Sometimes his his

820
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: misses a wide open receivers would give me, give me

821
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: some pause. I think if you're an NFL evaluator and

822
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: this kind of thing doesn't I don't know, blow up

823
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: in their face in college. But if you hold the

824
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: ball too long, if you don't anticipate as well as

825
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: as what we see from some of the guys that

826
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: are on your level, I think that's that's something you're

827
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of more concern from and

828
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I think, uh, he's got a good enough arm when

829
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: he when he when he triggers, I mean it comes

830
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: out pretty well. I mean he's a tough kid. I

831
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: mean he's a strong physical kid. I don't know if

832
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: he is as athletic as Taysom Hill, right, I mean

833
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, what is he at four or four five guy?

834
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jalen's that fast. Jalen might be

835
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: a four five five guy. Yeah, So I don't know

836
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: if if teams will look at him and saying, okay,

837
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to be that and then we're gonna

838
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: see if we can continue to develop him. But in

839
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: terms of just being a pure pass or, I don't,

840
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how much you know, how

841
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: much he's really grown from where he was in in Alabama.

842
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: I think he's improved. I just don't think it's probably

843
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: a dramatic improvement. But look, credit to him. He jumped

844
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: into a situation where the last two guys had three

845
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: years in the system and they had a year to

846
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: like kind of incubate and learn their teammates and learned

847
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: the system. He didn't. I mean, he went right into

848
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: it and he hit the ground running, and he's had

849
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: a lot of success and they have a chance to

850
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: make the playoff and that's a credit to him and

851
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: his toughness and his character and his his athleticism and everything.

852
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: I just wonder about, like the anticipation part and some

853
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: of those things about holding the ball too long as

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Speaker 1: a pro prospect, that's the stuff I think would give

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Speaker 1: people pause. You know, Bruce, I think those are great points.

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Speaker 1: I think those are great points on jen I do

857
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Speaker 1: want to dis because you had an opportunity to see

858
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson when he was in college. What kind of

859
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Speaker 1: impact do you think Lamar jackson success in the pros

860
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Speaker 1: will have, not only in the pro game, but in

861
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Speaker 1: the college game in terms of guys being really confident,

862
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Speaker 1: taken maybe the best athlete, and being okay with him,

863
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Speaker 1: maybe having some short comments that as a pastor because

864
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Speaker 1: he is so dynamic with the ball in his hand. Yeah, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I remember we talked about this a little bit on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and the one thing and I don't know if people

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Speaker 1: give Lamar even enough credit because I remember we did

868
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Speaker 1: a game and I think people thought I was talking

869
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Speaker 1: about about jail and I was actually talking really about

870
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Speaker 1: to be honest, Tyler Huntley, who's who's a terrific quarterback

871
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Speaker 1: and as tough a kid as there is probably playing quarterback. Now,

872
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Speaker 1: Tyler is not as big, um then from he doesn't

873
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Speaker 1: have I don't think he has as much juice in

874
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Speaker 1: his arm as Lamar does. He's also I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's anywhere near as fast as Lamar. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about Lamar, I think you're talking about

877
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Speaker 1: a rare talent. Now, the part where I do think

878
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Speaker 1: it will open people's eyes up a little bit is, hey,

879
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Speaker 1: you know what if this guy is really good at

880
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: some of these things. Let's I mean, Lamar Jackson is

881
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Speaker 1: only twenty two years old, right, I mean that's the

882
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: crazy part. I mean, he might be two years younger

883
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Speaker 1: than Joe Burrow. I mean, and he's been in the

884
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Speaker 1: league for Ferrality. This is a second year. So I

885
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Speaker 1: think when people see if you have somebody who has

886
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Speaker 1: a really special talent, whether it's Patrick Mahomes or in

887
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Speaker 1: this case, Lamar, I think there's things where if you

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Speaker 1: have the right coaching staff that is willing to have

889
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: some flexibility and say, okay, um, we're not going to

890
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: give up on a guy, because maybe we don't think

891
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Speaker 1: he's he's right now can do something at the level

892
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: of maybe a six year NFL quarterback or even some

893
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: guy who that's really the only thing that he does well. Um,

894
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: you know, they're all not gonna be Kellen Moore could

895
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: anticipate great and was super smart, but he didn't have

896
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Speaker 1: anywhere near the athleticism or arm with some of these

897
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Speaker 1: other guys. And I think if you if you have

898
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Speaker 1: somebody and say, look, we like this this kid. He

899
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: has great work ethic, he has these other you know,

900
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Speaker 1: elite traits. Let's see what let's see where we can

901
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: go with this. And I think the Ravens deserve a

902
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: ton of credit for for showcasing what he does well

903
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: and having the foresight to go, this kid is going

904
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: to be special because not just because of his athleticism,

905
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: but because of his work ethic. And you know, it's

906
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: not like about what we think he can't do, it's

907
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: about what can we what can we develop here? And

908
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: so I think if that message goes back to some

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Speaker 1: other people, um, then then great. And I think because

910
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: I think college coaches are already onto that, they already

911
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: see that if you have end look I'll use the

912
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Speaker 1: Big twelve as an example with that old Iowa State defense.

913
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Speaker 1: When I say old, it's like two years old. Like

914
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Speaker 1: people saw, Okay, this is how you should be defending

915
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: defending these offenses. So it's kind of an umbrella and

916
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now, well, what what's the what's

917
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: the kind of cryptonite to that? If you're you're gonna

918
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Speaker 1: run your quarterback more? And so we see like TCU

919
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: as a terrific young quarterback. And you guys probably remember

920
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: from the lead eleven Max uh Dug in Iowa kid,

921
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: really athletic, and he's a he's a difference maker. He's

922
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Speaker 1: busted off a bunch of runs, brought purty Iowa State

923
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: busted off a bunch of runs. I mean, these guys

924
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Speaker 1: are talented. I don't know if you want to call

925
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: him dual throughout quarterbacks, but I think if you have

926
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who can run, and we're gonna see that because

927
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Speaker 1: that's the answer to these defenses, it gives them something

928
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: to work with. Absolutely, And I think when we talk

929
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Speaker 1: about NFL quarterbacks, now, if your quarterback can't move, it's

930
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: hard to be you know, successful. With the way the

931
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: game has evolved, in the way the game has changed,

932
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: and I think that needs to be factored in the

933
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Speaker 1: evaluation of the high school kids as they're coming to college,

934
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Speaker 1: as well as the college kids as they're going on

935
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Speaker 1: to the NFL. Last question, Bruce, and then you're out

936
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Speaker 1: of here. You've been in so many college towns, um,

937
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: not only covering games with Fox, but also going out

938
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Speaker 1: and visiting with coaches. Most underrated, uh college town out

939
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: there that you've been like a Bruce Feld been favorite

940
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: out there? What what is it? Um? You know what?

941
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Speaker 1: It's Iowa City. Um, It's It's not something I would

942
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: have thought I would have said six years ago. They

943
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: treat you well. It is a hard place to get

944
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: to and it's an even harder place to get out of.

945
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: But it is a really cool college town. The fans

946
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: are awesome. They have the best tradition in college a

947
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: ball with the wave that happens at the end of

948
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: the first quarter where it's just like, I mean, if

949
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: you have kids, you're gonna start crying when when this happens.

950
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: Because of the children's hospital and what it means. And

951
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Speaker 1: I think those guys like I have a ton of

952
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Speaker 1: respect for Kirk Fern's um, in terms of how he

953
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: runs the program. I just feel like there is a

954
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: vibe that you get when you get around there. It's

955
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: a very underrated college town. Great answer, there, I've been there,

956
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: uh been many many years. I'm gonna go out a

957
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: limit say it hasn't changed. Um, all right, Bruce, you're

958
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: the best man. I appreciate your time, especially during this

959
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: busy season. Go break some more stories. I'll catch up

960
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: with you down the road. Always a pleasure, guys. Thanks

961
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: all right, buck Well, there he is the great Bruce Feldman.

962
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Speaker 1: And not only is he the best at what he does, Buck,

963
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: He's just a great dude. Man. I have I have

964
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: fun anytime something's going on in the college football world

965
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: gets a little spicy. Uh you know that's that's my

966
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Speaker 1: first text message I I send out is to Bruce

967
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: to get his take on things, because nobody has their

968
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of college football quite like Bruce.

969
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he knows everything. Like this guy is really

970
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: really plugging anyone who follows his tweets. He is up

971
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: on the college coaching changes, and he kind of knows

972
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: these guys back around whatever. So I love just kind

973
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: of texting him and asking him about things whatever we

974
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: just heard in that conversation. Guys, a wealth of knowledge

975
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to college game. That's so true. Um,

976
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: all right, Well, that's gonna do it for us today.

977
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Speaker 1: Fun episode. We will be back in a couple of days.

978
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna have our buddy Brian Baldinger going to join

979
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: the show on Thursday. Looking forward to that conversation. Um,

980
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Buck doing work over there in England. Appreciate uh, appreciate

981
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Speaker 1: you you What time is it over there while we're

982
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: doing this? Buck, By the way, what time is It's

983
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: only it's only four? I mean, so it's not it's

984
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Speaker 1: not too bad. It's not too bad. You gotta flip,

985
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: gotta flip my entire mind when it comes to timing

986
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: and thinking and all the other stuff. But it's not

987
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: too bad, not too late, not too earth. All right, Well,

988
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: it's great to catch up with you, man. Look forward

989
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Speaker 1: to seeing you here, uh down the road. That's gonna

990
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Speaker 1: do it for us today again. If you have any

991
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: questions for us, you can drop them in Apple Podcast,

992
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: leave us a review, put your question in there. We'll

993
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: do our best to answer it each and every week

994
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: on our Thursday episodes. Appreciate you. Guys. Listen and we'll

995
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Speaker 1: catch you next time. Right here on move the sticks,

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