WEBVTT - Ep. 112: Bear Grease [Render] - Three or Four Dogs ’til You’re Dead

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nuckleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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<v Speaker 2>The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting

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<v Speaker 2>and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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<v Speaker 2>the place as we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a much awaited Bear Grease Render. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been working on the David Crockett series literally since we

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<v Speaker 2>got done with Boone, and I'll have you know that

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<v Speaker 2>I was discouraged from working on a Crockett series. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any guesses who discouraged me from working on Crockett?

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Steve Ranella. Steve Ranella discourge. He was like, Crockett,

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<v Speaker 2>come on Crockett, and so that didn't discourage me though

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<v Speaker 2>I continued to work on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start off with this right here, this

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<v Speaker 2>book David Crockett, Lying of the West by Michael Wallace.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, from the books that I've read, which

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<v Speaker 2>I've not read all the Crockett biographies, there are just

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<v Speaker 2>almost uncountable biographies on Crockett for going way back to

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteen hundreds. But this one is a really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really in depth, but it also is in the

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<v Speaker 2>common man's vernacular from a guy who really was passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about Crockett and is just a reputable historian.

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<v Speaker 3>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically Michael Wallace. I was waiting on Michael Wallace to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the guests on the podcast, and and

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<v Speaker 2>we've corresponded a lot, and it was not his fault

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<v Speaker 2>that he couldn't. He wanted to, but he was unable

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<v Speaker 2>to be on the podcast, but he kept thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>he might, and so literally for a year, I delayed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have emailed him at least once every three

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<v Speaker 2>months for a year and a half and he's been very,

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<v Speaker 2>very nice, but has not been able to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so finally I just had to pull the trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd already gone to New York to interview Robert Morgan,

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<v Speaker 2>who's just an expert on anybody. Like any American historical figure,

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<v Speaker 2>you go talk to Robert Morgan, He's the man. Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan also wrote a pretty robust chapter, probably like a

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<v Speaker 2>forty or fifty page chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>On Crockett in his book.

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<v Speaker 3>His book.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it's called Lions.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the West.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that one called this one's called David Crockett the Lion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so his book Lions of the West. I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to fact check it. Well, somebody looked that up. It

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<v Speaker 2>it it goes through all these different historical characters, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes through Boone and Crockett and Kit Carson and

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys and so. But Robert Morgan was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And then our Scott Williams I just found out about

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<v Speaker 2>him just recently went over to Tennessee interviewed him.

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<v Speaker 1>So long waited, long waited.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm I'm pleased to have a very strong group

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<v Speaker 2>of people here today. We're gonna we're gonna switch it

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<v Speaker 2>up to my right, Michael Roseman sun Spotlights. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>on here twice, an'ge Michael twice before? Yes, twice before, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael owns sunspot Lights, the coon Lights. They always see

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<v Speaker 2>me and Brent wearing heerd buy in the media store.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you're a Crockett expert.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I told you, Brent thinks I'm a Crockett expert

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<v Speaker 4>because I know more than he does. But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>take much.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I had suspicions that you would be a

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<v Speaker 2>Crockett guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Why.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, it's the way you look in

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<v Speaker 2>that coonskin hat. Oh yeah, we haven't told everyone. We're

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<v Speaker 2>all wearing legitimate Ozark Mountain Dog Tree coonskin hats.

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<v Speaker 4>So everyone of the one size fits all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was a little disagreement on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yours. Yours is on your.

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<v Speaker 4>Head though barely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you really look like a Crockett expert with

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<v Speaker 1>that hat on.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet no.

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<v Speaker 1>So were you what year were you born?

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<v Speaker 4>Seventy six?

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy six, Okay, so you're not You're you're just a

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<v Speaker 2>few years older than me. Did you watch Crockett growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>like the like the Disney shows.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've seen some, the most of it those from

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<v Speaker 4>reading in the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Okay, So it wasn't like you had the

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<v Speaker 2>lunch boxes, guitars and the knives.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got on eBay and uh, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>really nice David Davy Crockett pocket knives, like legitimate vintage

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<v Speaker 2>pocket knives you could buy for like five bucks that

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<v Speaker 2>really are from that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can tell they're just kind of junk.

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<v Speaker 1>But I almost taught a couple.

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<v Speaker 5>But and I probably will restart the market for that

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<v Speaker 5>with this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have I have legitimate plans to revitalize the

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<v Speaker 2>American raccoon fur trade.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, I was gonna say it, be honest. Is this

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<v Speaker 5>just an attempt to get the raccoon numbers down a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit? This whole podcast just to get people to

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<v Speaker 5>wear coonskin?

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<v Speaker 1>To wear the coonskin caps?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you say who made these.

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<v Speaker 2>Early josher Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker made these hats for us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've introduced Michael Roseman to his right, my good

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<v Speaker 2>friend Jay Webb Jonathan Webster. Yeah so Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Did did Ben? Did you recognize Jonathan's voice? Of course

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<v Speaker 1>you did? Yeah, mao myself. I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>With me. You may be on the next man.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to embarrass the people by telling their names. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Webster was the second.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the third person ambushed by Clay Nucomb with

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<v Speaker 5>a recorder asking if I knew anything about Davy Crockett,

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<v Speaker 5>And every thought in my head, which was not many,

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<v Speaker 5>left me in that very moment. But I literally could

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<v Speaker 5>not have told you a single thing. It was amazing

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<v Speaker 5>how much I was just like, I don't know anything

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<v Speaker 5>about David Crockett, So it was perfect. Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 5>your target audience.

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<v Speaker 2>But now you did tell me afterwards that you confused him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you thought, who'd you think he was? Daniel Boone?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I totally You know. Who I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>used is Michael Roseman.

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<v Speaker 4>Crockett was a martyr, he was a bear hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at the audition, he was at there Alimo.

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<v Speaker 2>He formed American identity on manhood and self made man.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been like, get out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>I totally confused him, and I was.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I even said like he's a man's man,

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<v Speaker 5>I was thinking of that song for about Daniel Boone

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<v Speaker 5>being a big man.

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<v Speaker 1>Confusing him.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time, I was confusing him all over.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but your your thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I played right into what I was trying to say,

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<v Speaker 2>and you saying that he was a man's man. I

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<v Speaker 2>brought the question did David Crockett inform Americans about manhood?

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<v Speaker 1>And he absolutely did?

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>In Wallace's book, he talked about how he used his

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<v Speaker 2>bear hunting identity to bolster this hyper masculine identity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh, I love it. Let's go. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so now the French? Were you actually speaking French?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>I took French in high school, right up to the

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<v Speaker 5>point where I was about to be able to speak it,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you say?

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<v Speaker 5>I said, I'm sorry, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I could say cheese omelet in French? Go ahead, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>omelet do from mom.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing that's a little Dexter's laboratory from back in

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<v Speaker 5>the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I don't know what that is, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you know that?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I heard Steve Martin say it on a comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Say that again, Brenton? What it is?

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<v Speaker 3>Omelet do fromage?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Cheese omelet, cheese omelin.

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<v Speaker 5>We've gone international now we're sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that that was perfect to h to your right,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Lagron.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben's been stepping in here recently quite a bit old

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<v Speaker 2>history teacher. Balance families on Instagram, Balance birth couple. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>balanced birth couple on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, speaking of which, the first time I was on here,

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<v Speaker 6>The first time I was on here, there was a

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<v Speaker 6>bear grease fan that had listened to us just to

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<v Speaker 6>share the handle. And he was like this young guy

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<v Speaker 6>probably you know, early twenties and passionate hunter, not married,

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<v Speaker 6>no kids, and he was so excited that I was

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<v Speaker 6>on bear grease. He started promoting, you know, if anybody

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<v Speaker 6>out there's pregnant, check this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny, he was. He was getting pumped. That's good,

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. Did you ever teach Crockett Ben.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, especially with the Alamo?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh really, yeah, that's always kind of mentioned just in

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<v Speaker 6>American history.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in American history.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know when you came up to me like

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<v Speaker 6>you did, jawb Ask, I fumbled around it.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that all the time as a history teacher.

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<v Speaker 6>People think, because you're a history teacher, you know everything

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<v Speaker 6>about every historical topic. I do know a substantial amount,

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<v Speaker 6>but you can't be an expert on every topic ever,

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<v Speaker 6>and so you always get stumped with stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 6>and especially older people will they'll stuff studies something really

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<v Speaker 6>in depth. Did you read such and such and such,

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<v Speaker 6>and you just kind of nod your head, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they think you're an expert because you're a history teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>In your head and your hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I find that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys that I want to interview, maybe that have even

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<v Speaker 2>written a book, will well. For instance, the Dacompsas series,

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<v Speaker 2>the Peter Cosens, who's an incredible author, a very legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>historical author. When I first approached him about being on

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<v Speaker 2>the Tacomps series, he kind of was like, wow, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been it's been a couple of years since I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that book. I wrote it in twenty seventeen. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh and and you know you read this book, this book,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just thinking, man, this guy lives and breathes

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<v Speaker 2>this He could he could recite this book in his sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he was wanting to do to come to justice.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, man, I want to I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do him justice. And so he actually went back and

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<v Speaker 2>reread the book and then came on the podcast. And

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<v Speaker 2>I find, uh, I find that he re read the

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<v Speaker 2>book he wrote, yeah, and so yeah, I find I

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<v Speaker 2>find that just the human brain is able to pick

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<v Speaker 2>up and remember some things in incredible detail, but typically

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<v Speaker 2>big ideas about people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why you were able to say, well, you're

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<v Speaker 1>guessing on the wrong guy. A man's man.

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<v Speaker 2>But most people like like the Spillmakers did pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>So I interviewed Josh and Christie Spillmaker, who Josh is

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<v Speaker 2>on here a lot, and they hit they hit King

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<v Speaker 2>of the Wild Frontier, the Alamo Coonskin hat, Walt Disney song.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's basically his whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, And that's that's a pretty good that's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good, pretty good, robustal tidbit of information there. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you start talking about the more specifics of how

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<v Speaker 2>he actually influenced American culture and identity, then that's where

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been able to answer that really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>until I had studied it. But that's when it really

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<v Speaker 2>gets interesting, because what people remember is the high points,

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<v Speaker 2>but like underneath the surface, the undercurrent is all these

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<v Speaker 2>things that are there. But and then our final guest,

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<v Speaker 2>Brent Reeves, Brent, you look good in a coonskin.

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<v Speaker 3>Hat, man, I look good at anything, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I asked Brent before he listened to the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and he told me he was telling the truth and this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, make me recording of what you know

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<v Speaker 2>about David Crockett.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he said, Let's see what do I know

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<v Speaker 3>about David Crockett. He was from Tennessee. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>bear hunter. He was elected to Congress. He was good

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<v Speaker 3>friends with Uncle Jed from Beverly Hill Billies. He looked

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<v Speaker 3>exactly like Daniel Boone and he got at Alamo. Some

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<v Speaker 3>say he rose death, some say others. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think those folks are allowed in Texas. And that's about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good, pretty hit. You hit the high points there.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody argued with me that he didn't look just exactly

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<v Speaker 3>like Daniel, but.

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<v Speaker 4>He did as far as I knew as a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Parker. So I did ask my wife about if she

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<v Speaker 3>knew anything about David. She's in Texas. Yeah, she said

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<v Speaker 3>she remembered that he they taught that he wrote the

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<v Speaker 3>Declaration of Independence and he was the first man to

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<v Speaker 3>walk on the moon. Well I did, but I said,

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<v Speaker 3>she said that he was very prominent in Texas history.

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<v Speaker 3>Big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, I asked the guys from the Element who

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<v Speaker 2>the Element guys, uh, Casey Smith and Tyler.

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<v Speaker 1>Johns, And they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They're big Texas guys, but East Texas guys, and they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just like a I mean, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>like any big cultural hanging point on Crockett.

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<v Speaker 1>So but so was that funny?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can just see that I can't see them

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<v Speaker 3>studying near as hard in school as my wife did.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, now, those boys are smart. I ain't

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<v Speaker 3>saying they're not, but I would say that their minds

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<v Speaker 3>were a little more on hunting and fishing than it

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<v Speaker 3>was what was going on with that true story.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is a good reason to bring up their

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<v Speaker 2>buck Truck series on the Meteor channel. So so the

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<v Speaker 2>Element they had their own YouTube channel for years and

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<v Speaker 2>their own company. They now are inside of the meat

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<v Speaker 2>eater world, and so they made.

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<v Speaker 1>A series called the buck Truck, which is where they.

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<v Speaker 2>Drove around the country hundred quite a bit of public land,

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<v Speaker 2>some private land, and white tail hunted and I think

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<v Speaker 2>six or seven different states last year.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they put.

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<v Speaker 2>Up their the They have been putting up their videos

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<v Speaker 2>every every Tuesday, and we're four or five in probably

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<v Speaker 2>by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time this comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it's unique because it's a it's a way

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<v Speaker 2>different style video than typically what the media audience would

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<v Speaker 2>be used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Their longer forms.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them are like forty five minutes long, and

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<v Speaker 2>usually Metior stuff is a lot shorter than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they're a lot of fun. I really like that.

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<v Speaker 3>They're genuine guys. And it's man, that is that's just

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<v Speaker 3>how it happens if you've traveled anywhere and done any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of hunting. I mean, you know, that's just exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's it's a little bit more of the

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<v Speaker 2>like rough cut YouTube style travel vlog feel as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's well produced, but as opposed to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some cinematic thing, even though it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, those guys, yeah, they're from Texas. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know a thing about crocking.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did have some people. We're gonna get in.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust me, We're gonna get into the stuff on the Alamo.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust me, boys, it's gonna it's gonna get good. So, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>did you see my video I put on Instagram yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one catching the coon?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, he showed it. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>I tagged him in it. That's good, that's good. I

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<v Speaker 1>tag sun Spotlights.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I I caught that coon by hand on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, Oh yeah, yeah at the farm?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you did, I said it in the video.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been around coons my whole life, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would have never I would have never thought you

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<v Speaker 2>could catch one by hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Off. Caught a bunch of them. We used to train

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<v Speaker 4>puppies like that. I ride up and down the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Seehim in the road, ditch, run them down, You give

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<v Speaker 4>them a little boot. They'll turn around to fight you,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can catch them by the tail and then

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<v Speaker 4>you hold them out the window of the truck when

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<v Speaker 4>you're going where you're going to where you're lose.

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<v Speaker 1>That works, that'll do it. That works.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I saw Michael catch one. I think we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this on the render before, but I saw Michael

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<v Speaker 2>jump out of the side by side run down a

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<v Speaker 2>coon in a field. And yeah, there's a trick to it.

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<v Speaker 2>You bump them with your foot while they're running. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you gotta be semi coordinated to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The coon turns, he'll stop when you do that, spin around,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you grab him by the tail and they

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<v Speaker 2>can't reach around and bite their rear.

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<v Speaker 1>Ind Okay, yeah they can, they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta kind of keep them in a spinning motion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Spin them a little bit, keep them occupied.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like you're holding a big snapping turtle kind

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<v Speaker 2>of yeah, well, hey, anything else we should talk about

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<v Speaker 2>before we start talking about. We've kind of just jumped

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<v Speaker 2>right in the crocket, which is good.

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<v Speaker 6>I have several things I can always talk about. I've

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<v Speaker 6>actually had a question I've been dying to ask Brent

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<v Speaker 6>for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I ask it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, just just phrase it up, just be like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, well it's pretty arbitrary, so you can cut this out.

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<v Speaker 6>I have been dying to know the functional benefit of

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<v Speaker 6>overalls versus just other good, durable paint work pants. I've

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<v Speaker 6>been one to ask Brent that ever since we've been

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<v Speaker 6>on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think it's more style, style, okay, as well

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<v Speaker 3>as function. If you listen to this Country Life, I

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<v Speaker 3>talk about all the stuff that I carry in my pockets,

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<v Speaker 3>and I heard that.

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<v Speaker 6>I heard that one and I thought, I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>if I could quite carry all that stuff is effective,

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<v Speaker 6>Like two pockets and my hiking cargo.

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<v Speaker 3>All that stuff I would either have to carry, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>either have to wear overalls or a backpack or purse,

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<v Speaker 3>and overalls was socially more acceptable where I.

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<v Speaker 1>Grew up, is that all you got that's as deep

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<v Speaker 1>as the philosophy goes.

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<v Speaker 3>I can make something up real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me talk. And you think you wear overalls

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<v Speaker 1>too well, I think the answer primarily was that wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Was my answer wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't wrong, it just was it didn't have as

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<v Speaker 2>much function and philosophy as I expected.

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<v Speaker 3>It was missing a certain what do you think? I feel.

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<v Speaker 4>The biggest reason is so he doesn't wind up like

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<v Speaker 4>that guy that we've seen on the way up here

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<v Speaker 4>who seriously needed a belt.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the biggest What I was going to say was

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<v Speaker 2>that a pair of overalls, it takes that the the

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<v Speaker 2>pressure off your waist and it puts it on your shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you wear pants and when you wear

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<v Speaker 2>a belt, you're constantly pulling your pants up, tightening your belt,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just like there's this pressure around your waist.

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<v Speaker 2>When you wear a pair of overalls, it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a robe. It's like it's like it's like now

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<v Speaker 2>the energy, the energy, the weight is on your shoulders

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a shower curtain going all the way

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<v Speaker 2>down to your boots. And so it's more comfortable and

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<v Speaker 2>you can Brent typically wears one button undone on top. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll button, he'll butt. So there's two two buttons on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides, right.

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<v Speaker 1>At the hip.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you can, you know, if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feeling informal, you're around family and friends, you

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<v Speaker 2>run them too down. You get a little more.

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<v Speaker 3>Airflow too much. That's hard, that's hot a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, two downs a lot because but but if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of a little bit more formal gathering,

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<v Speaker 2>Brent's gonna be running one button.

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<v Speaker 1>If we went.

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<v Speaker 2>To, say the steakhouse, he'd probably run two up.

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<v Speaker 3>Doubtful. Doubtful, but possible. But I just they're comfortable and

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<v Speaker 3>I've grown. I've been wearing them since I was a

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<v Speaker 3>little kid. I got pictures of me and I was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, three years old wearing overalls and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just wasn't then oshkoshes or whatever youngins were. It was

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<v Speaker 3>regular overalls. And I've been I wore them in high

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<v Speaker 3>school all the way, I've been wearing them forever.

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<v Speaker 2>It Also what I like about him is, uh, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're working, And I don't wear them as casually as

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<v Speaker 2>Brent does, but I wear them when I work and

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<v Speaker 2>used to wear them a lot when I landscaped, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just this frontal protection, this one piece, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're really working a lot, stuff gets down in

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<v Speaker 2>your pants, you know, I mean just like wood chips

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<v Speaker 2>or grass or whatever, you know, and overalls kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keep that from happening.

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<v Speaker 3>You're selling me, I might have to try.

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<v Speaker 6>Y'all need a Brent Reeves line overall marketed as the

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<v Speaker 6>shower roob of the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent needs a pair of overalls with a flip up

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<v Speaker 2>coonskin hat the back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like a hoodie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question. Any other questions for brand

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<v Speaker 2>or anyone else?

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<v Speaker 3>Pyramids, pyramids, pyramid schemes. How can I get in? And

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<v Speaker 3>he's gonna have in this overall business?

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a lot of a lot of interest

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<v Speaker 2>in the mule trainer that Banjo's at.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of people right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, from multiple well from more than one state,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to trying to get hooked up with my mule trainer.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I told him, none your business.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave him his number, but only after I was

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<v Speaker 2>really convinced that guy was serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you get a referral commission?

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I wish maybe we'll see I guess now

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<v Speaker 2>Banjo's got a couple more a couple more weeks at

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<v Speaker 2>the trainer there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I just took him over there. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a pretty good trip over there.

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<v Speaker 4>Banjo's the one you thought was going to kill you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, hence the need for the trainer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But when I brought up Banjo, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>guy say, what happened to Hoot? So Hoot was the dog?

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<v Speaker 2>Was the young plot hound that I had that I

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<v Speaker 2>was training that I hunted the fair bed last fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent hunted him some, Michael hunted with her a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and somebody said, we heard about Banjo? What

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<v Speaker 2>happened to Hoot? And I think this is a great

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<v Speaker 2>time to tell the world that, like like Crockett brought

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<v Speaker 2>in to helped usher into American identity, that you get

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<v Speaker 2>what you get by merit.

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<v Speaker 1>Who didn't make now who's alive? We didn't like take me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I felt like I gave I gave a Hoot

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<v Speaker 2>a good chance. I left her with a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>hunted a man used to I would have never done this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm traveling and I had a guy hunter for

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<v Speaker 2>me for about forty five days, and he hunted probably

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<v Speaker 2>twelve or fifteen times up here in the mountains. I

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<v Speaker 2>sent her down with Brent. How long did y'all have her?

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<v Speaker 2>Michael and Brent.

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<v Speaker 3>Month? About a month? Over a month?

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, only hunted her like three times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, you said, how long did we have her?

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<v Speaker 3>We had it a little over a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But y'all didn't hunt her that much?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, because of water and yeah, we were floodshed,

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<v Speaker 3>so that was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and then I hunted her quite a bit,

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and she just she just never she didn't She didn't

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 2>hunt hard enough for me. She was almost two years

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>old and just wasn't making it happen. And so I

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 2>considered buying a dog from Michael. But and it was

0:24:58.560 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you'll have Rocker, yeah night.

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 4>No, it's not for sale, No, not unless you want him. Yeah. Yeah,

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 4>he's been hunting last night.

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 1>So if it gets out that I was hunting a walker,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>my my career is over. Because you guess you got

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to do the plotthounds, right, I mean I don't have to.

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to give you a piece of advice, the

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 4>same piece of advice that I gave Brent about dogs,

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 4>I get a dog that I like every between six

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 4>to eight years. This is so said six to eight.

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 4>About every six to eight years, I find one to

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 4>replace what I'm currently hunting. So in the meantime, we

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 4>try a lot of puppies, a lot of young dogs,

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.640
<v Speaker 4>and we go through them and they get home somewhere

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 4>else because they're just not going to make for what

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 4>I want, just like what happened with you with who.

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 4>But my piece of advice is go buy one is

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 4>doing what it's doing. Because I told you seven to

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 4>eight years, I asked Brent, I said, Brent, how old

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 4>are you? How old are you? Brent? I said, man,

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:12.199
<v Speaker 4>you only got two or three dogs left, and a

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 4>lot of aggravations he said, He said, I had never

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 4>thought of it. He said, I wish you wouldn't even

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 4>call me. But it's true, you don't have that many

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 4>dogs left.

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I got a few.

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 4>More, Brent, one or two.

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>True story.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean that when you start counting in fives and tens,

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 4>it goes by pretty quick.

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes sense to invest in. Yeah, it started.

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay now here here's what you got to talk me

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>down from and I'm open to people from outside the

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>coon hunting community chiming in Ben and Jonathan, which both

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 2>of y'all have coon hunting with me.

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've a coonhu with me, hadn't you been?

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 6>And and technically I was a coon dog owner as

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 6>a child.

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, black and tent.

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 3>It didn't work out at the whole nother long story.

0:26:56.000 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>So here's my problem is that I it's hard for

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>me to to take a dog from somebody else that

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>just bought. I mean, because it's almost and now I'll

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 2>make a case against it, and then I'll probably go

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and maybe do it.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's almost like.

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Do it feel like cheating?

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you didn't. You didn't You didn't raise a dog,

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you didn't train it and.

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 5>Find that right one.

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've been through these stages where you're at YEP.

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 4>I used to if I didn't raise it, I didn't

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 4>want it. I went through a phase where if it

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 4>wasn't out of my dogs that I owned, that I

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't carry anything about it. And I'm to the point

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 4>now that if it'll do what I wanted to do,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't have but four or five left, so I

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 4>need to get what I can get.

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, how many in your experience, Michael, how many? What's

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 5>like the percentage of like good coon dogs that you

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 5>try out that actually work out? Is it like ten

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 5>percent or less or fifty percent or less actually turn

0:27:57.600 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 5>out to be good.

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>He's not trying out just the average run of the

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>mill dog. I mean, Michael is like a very very

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 2>serious coon.

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 4>Now, there's a difference in a dog that will running

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 4>tree a coon and a coon dog. Okay, that's the first.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 4>So as far as dogs, it will tree coons maybe,

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean, just you can turn it loose hunted enough,

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 4>it'll tree a coon. Maybe fifty percent, Okay, the kind

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 4>that I'm looking for one percent?

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 3>One percent. Yeah, here's the difference. Because what he ain't

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 3>saying that I know to be a fact is he's

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 3>got a dog right now and any dog that he's

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 3>ever had that I've hunted with. And when that when

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 3>he says, this dog is started and going good and

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe not finished yet, but a dog that

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 3>he can turn loose and it will leave there in

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 3>a cloud of dust and trail and tree a coon

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 3>in ten minutes. When we get when we get to

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 3>the tree, look at the coon. He turns them loose

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 3>to go tree another. He looks at me and says

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 3>he should have done that in eight minutes.

0:28:58.200 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 4>I am a little picky.

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 3>He ain't. He's a lot pick Clay. Would you have

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>that same level of pickiness because if he.

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Undred dogs, Yeah, I mean, Michael and I would be

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a different I mean, I'm just not as a serious

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Michael's business in his life has been dedicated

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to coon hunting. I am a recreational coon hunter.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I love a good dog, and I appreciate a good

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>dog when I'm with one, and I feel like I've

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 2>owned one good dog and uh and I so I

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>would be happy with less than what Michael would probably,

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 2>but I have been trying so. My dog, Fern died

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 2>in December.

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>She was eight years old. Died a little prematurely.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I probably had a couple more winners with her,

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>and she died a little prematurely. And I've been trying

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>to replace her with dogs from the line that she

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>was out of for about five years and couldn't quite

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>make it happen. Though Michael I may have made him.

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a mistake, but I

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>gave Straight Cdio out in New Mexico a dog that

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I had started on Coon that was doing good, and.

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of thought.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>We hunted was straight out there, and I just thought

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>she would do good for him. And I was feeling generous,

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to see how one of my dogs

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>would do on lions out there in the west, and

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 2>so I told straight if he'd drive Darkansas and get her,

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd give him to him. I think she was eleven

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>months old. So he literally drove straight from New Mexico here,

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>got the dog, turned around, drove straight back and is

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>hunting Opie to this.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Day and doing good.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he says, she's a real lying dog. She probably

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>would have been a dog that I had been happy

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>with if i'd have kept her and hunted her and whatnot.

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>But I've been through at least four or five dogs

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that didn't work out right.

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 4>But even Rocker. You liked Rocker. He did good. The

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 4>first night we cut him loose, he treated three just bam,

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 4>bam bam. I looked at Clay and I said, now, look,

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 4>he is not this good. That's what I told him.

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 4>I said, I know, he looks like I'm telling you.

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 4>He is not this good and and he showed more

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 4>kind of he he messed up in the next few nights.

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 4>But he is a really nice dog. But he's still

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 4>not what I would hunt even at that.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm I'm in the market for a dog.

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 2>I just gotta have a dog by this winter, you know.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>And and I do have a coon dog. I got

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Jed right right back out there, and Jed on a

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>good night would go trick coon for us. But he's

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>he's not a coon dog. He was sure a coon

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>dog when he was with Fern though.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a lot of them are like that.

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So all right, David Crockett, Jonathan what so

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you we know where you start and after what most

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 2>stood out to you in this episode one? And man, hey,

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 2>there are three more episodes gonna I'll go ahead and

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>tell you we've never done a four part series on anybody.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 2>We've always done, We've done, We've been successful at running

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>these three part series.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>This one's gonna be for Are you.

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 5>Gonna pace it after what Robert Morgan said, the bear

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 5>hunter the politician?

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna pay after.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 5>That's cool?

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, man, him as a bear hunter was was pretty impressive,

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 5>Like I kind of get why people back east would

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 5>have been impressed just hearing that segment that you read

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 5>from his autobiography. I mean, not only did the man

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 5>survive like three instances in like a weekend that would

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 5>have been like life defining for me, but he did

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 5>even though various clips that you said, he just had

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 5>a way of talking that I don't I don't know.

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 5>It's when you read these things that it's kind of

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 5>easy to think that everybody back in that time would

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 5>have talked that way, thought that way. But I think

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 5>what you're keying in on and one of the reasons

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 5>he was such an archetype was that maybe not everybody

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 5>was talking that way and not every but he was

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 5>describing themselves that way, acting that way. But man, his

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 5>what you described of him as a bear hunter was

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 5>was pretty impressive. Yeah, I do have go ahead, Well

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 5>I have a question about his bear hunting. So do

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 5>you you read that section and he said he killed

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 5>one hundred and five bears in a year?

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Is that?

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 4>What is you?

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 5>What do you guys think about that from like a

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 5>conservation standpoint? Now, obviously it's totally different two hundred years ago,

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 5>but would that have been.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Ago.

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Those guys are the reason we have game laws today.

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the market hunting era of the US was

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a wanton a wanton.

0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Waste of wild life.

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's probably the wrong way to describe it.

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 2>It was an excessive, unsustainable use of wildlife, and so

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the pendulum swung. The pendulum when when those guys first

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>got here was that this is an inexhaustible resource that

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>will never go away, so we can do whatever we want,

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>no rules and regulations. They were market hunting these bears.

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Crockett was making money. He was incentivized financially to go

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and kill as many bears as he could, along with

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>thousands of other people. Yeah, and honestly, Krockett killing one

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>hundred and five bears in a year really wasn't that

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>big a deal. I mean, I there are people in

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the country today who have dogs that they don't they

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>don't kill that many, but they tree way more than

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes in a year, like groups of people like

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>a like a in traveling to different states.

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>So absolutely.

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>But but the way I like to think about it

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>is that the wanton disregard of the sustainability of the

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>thing produced the most robust wildlife management system in the

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:50.879
<v Speaker 2>history of mankind, so.

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely fascinating, fascinating man.

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 2>And and it's those stories about Boone and Crockett that

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 2>have have fueled and I'm gonna call it sport hunting,

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>even though I don't like that term. Those stories, those guys,

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>those archetypes, those icons have fueled the American sport hunting

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>culture because we all want to be like those guys.

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean we do. I mean, like, I.

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Just love hearing these stories about crocatt And and you know,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 2>we go out and kill a couple of bears a

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>year maybe, and it's like incredible until we eat the

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 2>meat and render the fat. And these guys were killing

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>hundreds a year and it's just just wild.

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 4>Do you like bear meat better than deer meat?

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Me too.

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 4>I do not, but I do like it, but I

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 4>don't like it.

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 2>You have never if you I fed bear meat last

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>night to a family that's not from here and not

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>introduced it all to wild game, and every one of

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the kids ate it and loved it. Bear meat doesn't

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>have a wild taste. You can screw it up. And

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how people do. They probably leave a bear.

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't have wild taste at all. Well, I

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 4>just liked the texture and the taste of deer meat better, really,

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 4>But I've ate deer meat all my life, so that

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 4>may have something to do with it. But I was wondering,

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, so they they seem to like bear meat

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 4>better than deer meat. Do you think they liked bear

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 4>hunting better than deer hunting because of the dogs.

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's just like today.

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's one of people that, I mean, they

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>were market hunting for deer as well and making big

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>money off of selling the skins. I'm sure it would

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 2>be there would be people that didn't like bear hunting

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>with hounds back then because of the work and taking

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>care of the dogs, all the same reasons that somebody

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>might like not like hound hunting today, just for the

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>technicalities of the sport. They might like deer hunting better,

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I think so. I mean, Crockett, it's known who loved

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the bear hunting with hounds, because usually that was the

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>thing they were most excited about, and Crockett clearly was.

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Even though there's lots of lots of stories of Crockett

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:13.879
<v Speaker 2>killing Big Bucks Crockett once in all, in his autobiography,

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.439
<v Speaker 2>he tells that at his house he has on one

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 2>side of the room the rack of a giant buck

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and on the other side the paws of a bear

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 2>in his house.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, so he was a big dealer.

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 3>How commonplace that was back then, of keeping antlers as

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 3>trophies and stuff like that, Yeah.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>It certainly wasn't as common as is today. I mean,

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 2>like pretty much any buck we killed today, keeping the horns.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I think those guys kept horns if they were in

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 2>a place where they could get them back to their

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>house easily, or a spectacular set of horns like Gershtocker

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>when he was in Arkansas would have killed an incredible

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>amount of deer in seven years and one time once

0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>or twice in his book he talked about the side

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 2>of a buck. Now he didn't have the boonecrack and measurement.

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>He didn't have a way to say it was one

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.959
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty inch buck, or his times were long,

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>or like they the way they described deer was just

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>very rudimentary, a giant stag.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 1>You know. Now we have these technical ways that we

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 1>describe antlers.

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 2>But I'm amazed though too, even today, like lou Delle

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and Charlie, we did this genuine Outlaws series on Loudale

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.399
<v Speaker 2>and Charlie. Both these guys are passed away, these guys

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 2>from Arkansas. I asked Stony their sons. I said, do

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you have any of the horns from the bucks your

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>dad and uncles killed? And he looked at me. It

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 2>was just like now, And I said really and he said, well,

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>there's one they had mounted. And I said, what about

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.399
<v Speaker 2>all the other deer and he said, oh, they gave

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 2>horns away. He said, the last last couple of years,

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>his dad killed or his uncle killed a big bucket

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 2>deer camp. I mean a big bucket deer camp. And

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 2>he said, we skinned it out and dad gave the

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>horns to one of the boys. Well, they just didn't care.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 4>These deer up here on your wall, why do you

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 4>have them? I mean in your thought process? What do

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 4>you keep antlers for?

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would I'm a I'm a product of

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the modern white tail hunting world. I mean, to me,

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a white tail antler is a thing of extreme beauty,

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a unique art form of nature. That is,

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 2>each one is unique. There's not another one like it.

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I think they the size of a buck represents oftentimes

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the maturity of that animal, the difficulty to kill that animal.

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's art man.

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 4>They're just memories for me. Now we're human beings. Are

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 4>there were memory collectors that after this moment, all we

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 4>had of the previous moment was memories, and those are

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 4>memory reminders. That's what they are for me. I can

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.959
<v Speaker 4>look up there and I can say, I remember that day,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 4>I remember what happened. I remember other than that, they

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 4>don't hold a place for me, but they are memory

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 4>reminders of what.

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, mister coon hunter. If you

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 2>got a mounted coon in your house.

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.280
<v Speaker 4>I do, and it was bought at Bastpro.

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean you couldn't buy a real coon?

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Mountn't anything about a coon. I could never. I could

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 4>treat possums. I don't care. It's all about the dog.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Did you see my stop tree possums?

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>And not care.

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if there were no coons.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Possum Look up above your head, you see that coon? Yeah?

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>That coon?

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, when I killed that coon, I've got a mounted

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 2>coon right up there, Michael, When I killed that coon,

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I we had been hunting hard for five years and

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 2>shooting every coon that we treat and when we killed it,

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I told my son, I said, that is the biggest

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>coon I have seen in this five year block, like

0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 2>without a doubt. I'd only remembered one I felt like

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>was bigger that we killed ten years ago. When I

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 2>was hunting with another guy, I went to my neighbor's

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>certified scale. He has a certified livestock scale, and again

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 2>this coon was so big that I was like, boys,

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, this is the biggest coon we have

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>killed in five years hunting. What do you think that

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 2>coon weighed?

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>This is I mean, you don't even need to see it,

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:26.240
<v Speaker 1>just like it's a mountain coon.

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, twenty pounds.

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Twenty pounds, okay, biggest coon in five years, fourteen fourteen,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that's the one that's it, that's him.

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 6>Oh man, yeah, I would say like around fifteen, yeah, fifteen.

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 5>Twenty two, eighty bob.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 3>One dollar.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I thought you, I thought you were going to speak French.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>That coon weighed eighteen and a half pounds. Eighteen and

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 2>a half pounds, wow. And most of them are weighing,

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:58.879
<v Speaker 2>you know in.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 1>The twelve twelve, bigger one, fourteen fifteen big yeah, oh yeah.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 4>The biggest one I ever killed was the second coon

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 4>we ever killed. He was thirty pounds in Arkansas in

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 4>the Delta. Yeah, and that's huge for down there too.

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean a ten to fifteen pound coon to a

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 4>great big coon down there. He was just abnormally large.

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 4>It was second coon we ever treat.

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:24.919
<v Speaker 3>Hey.

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is I don't know, it's been a long

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>time since I thought about Opie.

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 1>You know what dog struck that coon?

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Opie? Opie did?

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:33.479
<v Speaker 1>She sure did.

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 2>That was the first time I thought she might have

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 2>some potential because I turned her out by herself and

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>she went up in this hollow and struck a coon

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and she was working at and I tell she couldn't

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 2>quite figure it out. So I turned fern loose right

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 2>behind her or you know, like ten minutes later, and

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>they went in there and treated it. So she she

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was young though, but they treat that coon.

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 5>Another question about coming back to David Crockett. Yes, do

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 5>you think he was an exceptional bear hunter or do

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 5>you think that it was like do you think that

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.760
<v Speaker 5>he was a bear hunter just like other bear hunters

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.479
<v Speaker 5>would have been at that time, and there was something

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 5>about his personality that made him really stand.

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Out, like his self promotion or whatever.

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think he was. I think he was

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a top end bear hunter. Like I don't think there

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>were many guys that were better than him. I don't

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>think he would have been like the best in the

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>country at that time. I mean he he was good.

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 2>He was just known. Huh, you know, he was just known.

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 5>Something about that story where he said his friend when

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 5>he went to go get him back, and he said

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 5>that he wouldn't have chased that bear in there. I

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 5>didn't know if that meant he was just taking more

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 5>risks and just kind.

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 4>Of yeah, kind of a wild man.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>That was a good catch because it was hard to

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>catch what he was saying. But yeah, he was saying, man,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even gone after that bear like you did.

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:47.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he was really good, but I think there

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>were other guys that were just as good that you

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>just didn't care about.

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 4>Didn't the way he was bear hunting with dog though,

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 4>I mean how good a bear hunter he was most

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 4>but depending on how good his dogs were too, and

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 4>they were treeancons, he wasn't still hunting them.

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>He may have seen those guys though.

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Back then without GPS callers, it was an athletic event.

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Ohh for sure, you have to stay with the dogs

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 2>and be with them, be within here in distance, going

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to these dogs late at night, spending the night out.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 3>In the wood.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was like a trying to triathlon trying

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to knee kap a bear when you get right next

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to him. And that was that was.

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 2>A pretty good descriptor in the dark feeling the bear

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:36.840
<v Speaker 2>being bade by me.

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 3>And Michael was listening to it again on the way

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 3>up here today and I said, well, when he was

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 3>talking about he fell down and started his behind, I said,

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 3>well he started on the right end.

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:53.399
<v Speaker 4>Now, obviously he was in the the earthquake area. What

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 4>was he calling the hurricane?

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that is a good question, and I don't have

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.720
<v Speaker 2>a great answer. I had a guy text me today

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 2>and said, what is a hurricane?

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to assume it was tornado damage?

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>That's what I said, really, yeah, I think, yeah, Do

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>you have any any more?

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean, no, no, that I just assumed that obviously

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 4>there wasn't a hurricane in Tennessee. Yeah, And I don't

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 4>know what they called them back then, but it would

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.720
<v Speaker 4>have probably been tornado damage, which would have been great

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:22.959
<v Speaker 4>for bear because it would have been exposed to the sun,

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:24.840
<v Speaker 4>it would have had berries, it would have had.

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's exactly what I said, because just think about

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the Eastern deciduous forests being just this one big blanket

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty much of a big forest. And like I know

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>for a fact, the Hurricane Creek drainage that's within about

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that's in the Ozarks, one of them, Yep, that Gersh

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Darker talked about. He said that they called it the

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:53.839
<v Speaker 2>hurricane because of a hurricane that came through and went

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 2>through the valley, and they called them hurricanes.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 1>It was a tornado.

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>And then that would create essentially like a clear cut, right,

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>it would knock all the trees down. Then the underbrush

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 2>would start to grow up secondary trees, grape vines, berries, blackberries,

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.880
<v Speaker 2>and so if you're if you're in an ancient primeval

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 2>forest that's never been cut before, that would be like

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>big hardwood and pine timber like over and over the

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>over in that country be a little different, but basically

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 2>big hardwood forest which would have expansive canopy and not

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of understory, which would not be that great

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 2>for wildlife. Where there was disturbance, like a tornado would

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 2>be incredible for wildlife. So that's where they went. Yeah,

0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>well that's a great that's a good that's a good question.

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Ben. What stood out to you off the top of

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>your well, A coupleskin hats.

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 6>It's compty, I like a couple of things. Number one,

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 6>when you're talking about memories, I was immediately transported to

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:06.840
<v Speaker 6>one of the oldest things I kept from childhood, which

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 6>was my coonskin cat that I got at disney World.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Really five years old.

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, five years old, so early nineties, and.

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:25.880
<v Speaker 3>So that trip.

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.479
<v Speaker 6>I don't remember a ton about that trip, except for

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.879
<v Speaker 6>it's a small world because of its possessive power over

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 6>the human mind, being terrified of the haunted mansion and

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:44.240
<v Speaker 6>getting that coonskin cat, and I remember my dad buying

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 6>it and handing it to me and be like, that's

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 6>a Davy Crockett hat, and as a youngster being like

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 6>crowned in this superpower. But I didn't know much about him,

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 6>you know. And so one of my one of the

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 6>things I've been pondering about since yesterday listening to it,

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 6>was like I understand why he was significant in a

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 6>celebrity status back then, and just knowing the context and

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 6>the lack of media and the like if you get

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 6>published with anything. I mean, that is like the Internet

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:17.919
<v Speaker 6>for people.

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like everybody had a whole lot to choose from.

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly, And you know, bear hunting is an exciting

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 6>those are exciting stories because of some of the danger

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.879
<v Speaker 6>involved and stuff. But anyway, the question in my mind

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 6>is like why do we why why does he impress

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 6>himselves so much on us? And my conclusion is that

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 6>it's because he was introducing our childhood, and anything introduced

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.280
<v Speaker 6>in your childhood imprints on you differently than as an adult.

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 6>Like if somebody came to me now and told me

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 6>about the same guy that I never heard of, it's

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 6>gonna be Oh, that's cool. And one example is like sports.

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.319
<v Speaker 6>You know, I when you follow sports guys now as

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:05.439
<v Speaker 6>an adult, you're like, yeah, they're they're really good. It's cool,

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:07.719
<v Speaker 6>you're excited, especially if they're on the team that you like.

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 6>But the sports guys I follow when I was a kid, yeah,

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 6>like Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, I was a big Cowboys fan.

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 6>I saw those guys in person. I mean it was

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 6>like I remember writing a letter to Emmitt Smith and yeah, yeah,

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 6>and I found it later unmailed by my parents.

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 3>But uh yeah, last.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>One on the coon hat minus one.

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.759
<v Speaker 3>I got behind him on the JFK. That what goes

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 3>around Dallas the Interstate Park really and it was I

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.439
<v Speaker 3>remember the license place that catch twenty two. I thought,

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of weird. As with Drow. I was riding

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 3>my brother. I was driving by and to hit he

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 3>was a Mercedes and his winds rolled down and there

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 3>was in with Smith like that was just wow, that's crazy.

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I should I should have asked you did you ever

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:00.840
<v Speaker 3>get that?

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.959
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a funny letter because back as a kid,

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 6>I thought when you really like something, you always use

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 6>the word love. So the whole letters me saying I

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 6>love you, man, I love you.

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I love you.

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Didn't Yeah, yeah, exactly so. But anyway, that was what

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about.

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.720
<v Speaker 6>I was like, because I was introduced to this figure

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:22.480
<v Speaker 6>as a young kid, it's like such a.

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's who Disney targeted in the nineteen fifties. They

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't target the dads. They targeted the kids and sold

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>them a bunch of stuff brilliantly like we we America

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 2>came back from World War Two and had all this

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 2>ability to produce trinkets, and people had extra money, and

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 2>there was all this manufacturing and plastic and all this stuff,

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and it it it created this merchandising frenzy over Crockett,

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 2>which imprinted the nation. And then we inherited it. You know,

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm ten years older than you or something, Ben, and

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 2>we we kind of inherited Crockett.

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And I remember the Crockett song vividly.

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I could have told you all the high

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 2>points of Davy Crockett and that he was like a

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 2>bad to the bone dude and a hunter coonskin hat.

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Just liked him.

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Like when I see when I see fest Parker's picture

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.840
<v Speaker 2>wearing buckskins and carrying a long rifle, it just I

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>just like it, like I just I mean, I would

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>have even pre researching him. It's just like ingrained in us.

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's what's so interesting to me. It's like,

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>why does my brother was the one who sang the

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Davy ballat of Davy Crockett, Zach nukelemb Oh, it was Zach.

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.919
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, Zach's not a big hunter.

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 2>He did kill a nice buck last year, two years ago,

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:47.799
<v Speaker 2>but you know, like why does Zach neuclemb Remember the

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Davy Crockett song. I mean, how many how many songs

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 2>from nineteenth the nineteen fifties could he just sing with

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a with a single cue of one.

0:51:56.239 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Word Crockett, go Davy even Crockt. Probably not many. So

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 1>it's like how why It is kind of a mystery.

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 6>It's your childhood swear you're at Devenamilenny, how you grab

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 6>a hold of things.

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's more complex than that though, be

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's definitely major component, But I also think

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>it's because there's something to grab on too that goes

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 2>back to this American identity of when we were first America.

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, even if you're patriotic, you're not patriotic.

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying the

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:33.800
<v Speaker 2>fact that he was. He did something to the culture

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that was big. And what we're going to learn in

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.160
<v Speaker 2>episode two is that Crockett influenced a bunch of people.

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Crockett influenced Lincoln, Crockett influenced Mark Twain. Crockett influenced American

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:51.439
<v Speaker 2>culture like BAM and so when we hear him, it's

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 2>like our blood, you know what I mean, And it

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:59.279
<v Speaker 2>just like and obviously to some people more than others.

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in rural America and hunting and something. You know,

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 2>crock is gonna mean something.

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.360
<v Speaker 3>It was really you know, I didn't see it was

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 3>reruns when I was a kid. I was born in

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:13.320
<v Speaker 3>sixty six. So when did that Walt Disney Stuffy five? Yeah, okay,

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.560
<v Speaker 3>so it was there were reruns that when Walked Wide

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.479
<v Speaker 3>World of Disney or whatever it was. It it came

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:22.879
<v Speaker 3>on Sunday evenings, and we was always wanting, oh, man,

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:24.879
<v Speaker 3>I hope it's David Crockett. Hope it's Daniel Boom.

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 2>You mean, you couldn't fast forward and record actually had

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 2>to be there, you had to be there.

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:34.799
<v Speaker 3>On NBC on Channel four. But when when that would

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.719
<v Speaker 3>come on, it was immediately we were engaged in it

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 3>because he was doing stuff that we knew about. You know,

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:45.840
<v Speaker 3>we could watch Escape from Which Mountain or all the

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:51.440
<v Speaker 3>other stories and movies that you know, Herpie and Doctor,

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:54.720
<v Speaker 3>the Professor, the Nutty Professor or whatever, and he's making

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.040
<v Speaker 3>tennis shoes that you can jump over and shoot a basket,

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:02.239
<v Speaker 3>getting shoot a basketball. All of these movies that were

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.280
<v Speaker 3>just so far fetched from anything that I'd ever seen before,

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.840
<v Speaker 3>but somebody walking out of the house with a rifle

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 3>in your hand and dragging a deer back. Oh yeah,

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 3>not only do I know that I've done that, or

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I watched my dad do it, or it was something

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.879
<v Speaker 3>immediately that you could you could grab on through that,

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 3>you know this he's like us, yeah, and we're like

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 3>and we're like him like a reality show. Yeah for real.

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 3>It was just like he's femine uncle Charles there, you know,

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 3>or something.

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So what was your favorite part? What stood out to you, Brent.

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 3>In this part or in this this edition, I guess

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 3>episode the part where knowing I didn't know here that

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.239
<v Speaker 3>he wrote his own book, I didn't know that. So

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 3>and I've I actually ordered it from Amazon and I'll

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 3>be yep, that's the one, and I'm.

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.920
<v Speaker 5>Titled David Crockett not Day Yeah David.

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.319
<v Speaker 3>So I'm anxious to read that and out of all

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:06.239
<v Speaker 3>the stuff, you know, I've been familiar with in my

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 3>whole life since I was six or seven, you know,

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:12.240
<v Speaker 3>and remember that kind of stuff. And I'm I'm today

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 3>years old, actually Wednesday when that came out that I

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 3>learned that he wrote his own autobiography. Yeah, so I'm.

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Not feeling like Michael. I'm gonna be coming back to

0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you in just a second to ask you what was

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.600
<v Speaker 2>your favorite part or what you learned. I think I

0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:35.839
<v Speaker 2>think the Crockett autobiography in a way did him disservice.

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think you'll see it if you read it

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:40.800
<v Speaker 2>when I first read it.

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Don't.

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will, I will taint. I will put my

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on top of you. But that's kind of what

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>we do on this podcast.

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 3>You can want to try to step out, just try

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to anything he puts towards me anyway.

0:55:56.719 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>No, Crockett, this was a political rebuttal. This was a

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 2>political rebuttal. He was he was being we're gonna learn

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 2>all this in episode three about his political career. But

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.919
<v Speaker 2>basically they thought he was the only guy that could

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 2>beat Andrew Jackson. And so this this group, this political group,

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 2>the Whigs, were trying to recording him for presidential run,

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.240
<v Speaker 2>which was wild, like it would it would be almost

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.799
<v Speaker 2>equivalent to like a Donald Trump running for president. It's

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 2>just this this like wild yeah, even though he was

0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>in politics, but it was just like just like wow, really.

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And those two were enemies also Jackson. Jackson and

0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 4>for sure. Yeah, they didn't like each other at all,

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.320
<v Speaker 4>hadn't liked each other from way back.

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep.

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>And so this book is not If I was his editor,

0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I would have been like, hey, dude, we got to

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 2>cut all the last fortune, you know, you would have

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 2>about half of it's really about his life and the

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 2>other half is kind of political retribution in a way,

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of talking about and so he's it's in some

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.319
<v Speaker 2>ways it's incredible that we have this book because we

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 2>actually get to hear the voice of Crockett through his words,

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 2>which we didn't have for Boone.

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Did I talk about that?

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:21.760
<v Speaker 2>So that was one of the things that was kind

0:57:21.760 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 2>of mysterious about Boone is we never heard his actual voice.

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>There was a chapter that was supposedly written by him

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 2>in his voice in Philson's book, but it wasn't Boone

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 2>at all. Like Philson wrote it in Boone's voice.

0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because his son said that wasn't the words of

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 4>his father.

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, that's right, And this is Fox Show

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the words of David Crockett. And so like when he

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 2>tells bear hunting stories, when he talks about his childhood

0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and he talks, he does talk a lot about very

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 2>personal stuff, which is incredible. But anyway, you kind of

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I make a lot of excuses for Crockett, uh, trying

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to prove that he's cool so that Steve Ronelle will

0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>like him, saying that if he'd have had a good editor,

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't have had this problem because Azure would have

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.560
<v Speaker 2>been like, hate you can't you can't talk about yourself

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 2>like that, and Crockett would have been like, no problem,

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I won't.

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I got.

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 3>To remember the time it was, consider everything that was

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 3>the time that it was in. You know, the way

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 3>we think now about things is far different from what

0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 3>they thought about stuff. Yeah, so I think he gets

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 3>a pass on that, on a lot of that. Yeah yeah,

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 3>because of the world he was in.

0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 6>You could see how it would eat at you too

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 6>as a person in politics, not ever getting to feel

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 6>like the whole truth's out your side of it, and

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.480
<v Speaker 6>then you pass events that that happened.

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 3>You want to get your beef out. You know, it

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 3>ain't like now when everything you ever have ever said

0:58:56.360 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 3>can come out. I mean that, dude, what a very

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 3>minute percentage of his thoughts and ideas were probably got out.

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yet we got whipped whipped my wit and wildcats

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 5>out of them.

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 4>So, but him speaking about politics in that book was

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 4>something that had to have driven him quite a bit

0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 4>there in the last part of his life, because politics

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.680
<v Speaker 4>is what ended him up at the Alamo. I mean,

0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 4>losing those elections is why he'd still been in Tennessee

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.280
<v Speaker 4>or in Congress or something. So that that's a huge

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 4>part of his life that he wants to set the

0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:34.480
<v Speaker 4>record straight on.

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's hard.

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to blame him for it because they they

0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:43.000
<v Speaker 2>had written multiple fake autobiographies, which at the time there

0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was nothing.

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:44.000
<v Speaker 1>People could do.

0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 2>People people would I mean, there was no retribution and

0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:49.560
<v Speaker 2>there was no way to know it was gonna happen,

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.160
<v Speaker 2>or they didn't even know who wrote them.

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just like David Crockett.

0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was funny that when the guy you

0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.320
<v Speaker 3>talked Tom trying to remember his name.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Scott Williams, Yeah, our Scott Williams.

1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:04.400
<v Speaker 3>When he said he got interested in that name, image

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.520
<v Speaker 3>and likeness stuff, and I thought, wow, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>was the thing even back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and that that was a it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of splitting hairs a little bit because when

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about Boone, we talked about how Boone was

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<v Speaker 2>an American archetype and he was one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>folk heroes of America and Boone rose to global fame

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<v Speaker 2>in his lifetime. Crockett did the same thing. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>some hair splitting difference in what happened with him Boone.

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<v Speaker 2>And again we said this on the podcast, but Boone

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<v Speaker 2>didn't become famous till he was in his mid fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the stuff he did that made him famous,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not knowing anyone would ever know about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why Steve says that Boone should not even

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<v Speaker 2>be on the same page as Crockett, because that's cool, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you want your hero to be doing what

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing, not because somebody's going to put him on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>not because somebody's going to write a book about him

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody's going to say he's cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that is that Stevenella's beef with Crockett, that he

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<v Speaker 5>was interfa with his own old jack about Crockett.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to after he listens to this.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, no, that that it was the celebrity status.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't And it's the same thing that I am

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<v Speaker 2>working through with Crockett, like I'm really trying to understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>because Boone didn't become famous until mid fifties, and Boone

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<v Speaker 2>did stuff to try to capitalize on that fame to

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<v Speaker 2>some degree, but he was already but but he just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in control of it as much. And Boone dies

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<v Speaker 2>an impoverished man. If you remember when Boone died, the

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<v Speaker 2>last guy, the only real portrait that we have of

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<v Speaker 2>Boone was painted of him when he was in his

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<v Speaker 2>late seventies, maybe even early eighties, right before he died,

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<v Speaker 2>and a painter went from the North down into Missouri,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was no way to like call and say,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Boone, can I come next Thursday to your house

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<v Speaker 2>to paint your picture? And a painting session would take

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<v Speaker 2>days or even weeks, you know, because they're literally having

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<v Speaker 2>the guy set there and they're they're painting him. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this guy travels from the northeast, hoping that Boone

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<v Speaker 2>is still alive, and goes and goes to Boone's neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>who lived within a mile of him, and says, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know where this mister Boone is? And the guy

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't even know who you're talking. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an old man and he looks like this, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh that guy, yeah, he lives right.

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<v Speaker 1>Down the road.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was Daniel Boone Crockett. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say Boone was more of an archetype folk hero,

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<v Speaker 2>not so much a celebrity. Crockett knew of his fame,

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<v Speaker 2>interacted with his fame, tried to capitalize on his fame,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't blame him for. I mean, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>that's what people do.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And he he did stuff like write books, and then

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<v Speaker 2>what busted him for Ranella is the Line of the

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<v Speaker 2>West play that was a Broadway play that was in

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<v Speaker 2>Europe as well. I mean, this is like major and

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<v Speaker 2>this is major American stuff too, because this is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first major American theatric theatrical productions that went global,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's called Line of the West. Key character is

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<v Speaker 2>Nimrod Wildfire, who is one Davy Crockett.

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<v Speaker 1>Crockett's alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Crockett's like in his thirties and and everybody knows Nimrod

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<v Speaker 2>Wildfire's Crockett and uh in Crockett, they invite him to

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<v Speaker 2>New York.

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<v Speaker 1>To go to the play. That's what gets Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he went because he went.

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<v Speaker 1>He went, He went to the play.

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<v Speaker 2>And when Nimrod Wildfire walked out onto the stage Broadway

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<v Speaker 2>production of New York Nimrod Wildfire, the actor stops, takes

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<v Speaker 2>off his coonskin hat and tips his hat to Crockett,

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<v Speaker 2>who's sitting in the balcony.

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<v Speaker 1>And what does our boy Crockett do? He stands up

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<v Speaker 1>and waves to the crowd, just like reeves what it does.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, So this is my question. If Stevid hunted his

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<v Speaker 4>entire life, no one really knew who he was, somebody

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<v Speaker 4>heard a little something about him, and he found out

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<v Speaker 4>in New York there was a play about him. You

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<v Speaker 4>think he wouldn't have went and seen him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I'll ask him. Yeah, No, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so in a SoundBite you would you could say Crockett

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<v Speaker 1>was like vain compared to and we'll hear other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm telling you I think I I I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it's apples and oranges different times. Yep. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean there's a little overlap, but it was after you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I was thinking. There was a huge difference

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<v Speaker 3>between I mean when Daniel Boone was in his thirties

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<v Speaker 3>and when David.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I'm not picking on Steve Vanella in this

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<v Speaker 2>in this segment, but what would Crockett have today if

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<v Speaker 2>he were here? What what would he do? He'd have

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<v Speaker 2>a television show, He'd be on Instagram, I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>like me, I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, just like me. And he'd be looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>good dog. But he only had one walker dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael, Oh, that's it. He would.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you pick up on that in in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the bear hunting story when they were in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the cracks.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't hear anything about a walker dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and he didn't say walker see you boys, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta turn on your listening ears. He said that it

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<v Speaker 2>was at night, and he said there was one white dog.

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<v Speaker 2>See I mean if there was one white one, that

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<v Speaker 2>means the rest of them were dark. Ye, So that

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<v Speaker 2>it had to be a walker you know, some type

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<v Speaker 2>of walker dog they like to bob their tails.

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<v Speaker 4>Some kind of English foxhound more than likely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it wouldn't have been a straight

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<v Speaker 2>up walker because it really probably wouldn't even hardly made

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<v Speaker 2>by then.

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<v Speaker 4>Walker's no, well, I mean they come mid nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>The actual straight up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, actual treeing walker b Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>Crockett said, And we're gonna learn about this on the

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<v Speaker 2>next episode. I don't know why I'm telling you now,

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<v Speaker 2>but they like to bob the tails of their bear dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>Makes sense, Yeah, especially hunting in the hurricane. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 4>are gonna whip its pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we didn't have a squirrel dog. The tail wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Yeah, it's really just aesthetics.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it gives it's a little less to grab a

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<v Speaker 4>hole to by bear. Also, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but today you won't find houndsman bobbing tails out west.

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<v Speaker 2>They do sometimes because their tails are him cactus and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen a lot of beagles with bob tail. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>really Yeah, because they beat him to death and the briars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Michael, what stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to see him slide down that honey locus.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, he might make the Ohio. He's not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>make it down that honey locus without a scratch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I enjoyed it. I don't guess what I've read. There

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't been a whole lot about the bear hunting stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of what you read covers his childhood and then

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<v Speaker 4>on into that. It calls him a hunter, but it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't really go into depths on the bear hunting stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was pretty neat about him being in

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<v Speaker 4>those hirk or the earthquake cracks. Yeah, yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 4>pretty cool. Yeah, but you know, he was just a

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<v Speaker 4>guy doing what everyone else did. So, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 4>like we always said about Boone, he was just he.

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<v Speaker 4>He wouldn't have even known. I mean, could you imagine

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<v Speaker 4>going through your entire life thinking you were doing what

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<v Speaker 4>everyone else was doing and look up and they had

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<v Speaker 4>to play about you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So although he did, was the play before or after

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<v Speaker 4>the politics? It was before, wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Because the politics are what made him known. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the play was in the eighteen thirties and he got

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<v Speaker 2>into politics in the early eighteen twenties. So politics is

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<v Speaker 2>what took him to the national stage. I mean that it's

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<v Speaker 2>the only reason he would have had even a voice

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<v Speaker 2>for people to know who he was. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>started in his political speeches, he started talking about hunting,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to we'll get into it a lot more,

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<v Speaker 2>but basically on his first political speech he said he

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<v Speaker 2>got up before the crowd and his opponent they used

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<v Speaker 2>to travel together with their opponents, and he said, his

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<v Speaker 2>opponent spoke and was this like diplomatic, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like political speech. And Crockett had his political speech formed

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<v Speaker 2>and he got up and he said, he describes it

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<v Speaker 2>really well. He said, I felt like there was a

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<v Speaker 2>cotton There was cotton grown in my throat, and I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get a word out for any give some funny anecdote,

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<v Speaker 2>and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, I was so choked up, I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, and all I know to do was

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<v Speaker 2>start telling them a hunt It's basically told them a

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<v Speaker 2>hunting story. Yeah, And the people loved it, like they

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<v Speaker 2>they thought the other guy was a dork.

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<v Speaker 1>And Crockett was like, oh, I see how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he just got up in front of people

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<v Speaker 2>and talked about hunting, made fun of his opposition, was

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<v Speaker 2>self deprecating, stole their speech, stole yep, stole their speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, he was just ye.

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<v Speaker 4>Before the guy went on stage, he gave his speech,

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<v Speaker 4>gave the other guy's speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into all that later.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh. I did want to say one thing about you though,

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<v Speaker 4>deciduous forced.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Never in the history of He'll billy has there ever

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<v Speaker 4>been one say that? So every time you say it,

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<v Speaker 4>it takes your credibility down just a little bit. What

1:10:10.600 --> 1:10:12.880
<v Speaker 4>do you mean, I mean, they just don't say it?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you say the woods Man hard?

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<v Speaker 1>I say deciduous on this podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>You did?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah you did.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, deciduous one of my favorite words.

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<v Speaker 4>Never in the history of He'll billy them, has there

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<v Speaker 4>ever been one say that. I just wanted to warn you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, that's that's good to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you like your He'll billy crid So he's

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<v Speaker 4>faking it.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured I said it wrong. Every time I do

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast, Missy's like Clay, you said that, totally skipping

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<v Speaker 2>words that I don't know, putting a new word. No,

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<v Speaker 2>this has been a fun, fun series.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got got three more Boom podcast. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know who this guy. I don't even know who this

1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.720
<v Speaker 1>guy is. Yeah, Wallace biography is.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good. It's it's my favorite. R Scott Williams is

1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.719
<v Speaker 2>really good too. He takes a little bit his angle

1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:23.000
<v Speaker 2>is a little more narrow, which is unique in that

1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:28.439
<v Speaker 2>he was really interested in Crockett's celebrity status because R.

1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Scott Williams super neat guy, incredible guy. He he is

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<v Speaker 2>the lead man at the Discovery Park Museum in Union City, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is an incredible place.

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<v Speaker 2>Union City, Tennessee's is a little it's small town, like

1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:50.280
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand people and they have a world class natural

1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:54.280
<v Speaker 2>History American museum in that town. That there was some

1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:57.599
<v Speaker 2>rich guy that lived in that town that had an

1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:00.519
<v Speaker 2>enormous amount of money and he said, I want to

1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:04.080
<v Speaker 2>build a museum here, and it's totally worth it if

1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:05.720
<v Speaker 2>you're in that part of the world to go there

1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:08.080
<v Speaker 2>by yourself or take your kids. They got a big

1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.799
<v Speaker 2>they got a big Crocket section. But our Scott Williams

1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:12.720
<v Speaker 2>really really cool guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So his book is good.

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<v Speaker 5>Too, I know they I know there's literally saying about

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<v Speaker 5>not judging a book by its cover, but it's got

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty cool color.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Crocket wearing a pair of cool shades, looking pretty sporty.

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<v Speaker 1>America's first celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I got a question here. Everybody in here that

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<v Speaker 3>had a coonskin cap growing up, raise their hands. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>There's five of us in here, and only two of

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<v Speaker 3>us did. I would assumed you and Michael would have

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<v Speaker 3>had one. Growing up. You were just trying to put

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<v Speaker 3>me on the as I was. I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to be a four to

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<v Speaker 3>one for sure. Though, yeah I did too.

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<v Speaker 2>I may have had one. I don't want to lie

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<v Speaker 2>and say I did. It wasn't prominent.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're the only grown up that I know that

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<v Speaker 3>has any right now. But as a kid, I was

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<v Speaker 3>just wondering, and it was. It was. It was because

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<v Speaker 3>that well you just said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's now, Ben, your hat would have had probably

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<v Speaker 2>a real tail, but a fake precisely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about yours, Brent?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was wherever. I mean. It came with a

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<v Speaker 3>flint lock rifle on the flint lock pistol.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Missouri last year and I saw a

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<v Speaker 2>double coontail hat for the same price as a single coontail.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious. The gas station in central Missouri. Walk in

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<v Speaker 2>there and there's rack full of Daniel Boone. They market

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit with Boone on the coonskin.

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<v Speaker 5>Hats these days, so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually it's Daniel Boone. But there was a rack of

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Boone coonskin caps and their their foe like they're

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<v Speaker 2>a faux fur on top, but they actually are real

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<v Speaker 2>coontails because the coontail and the actual fur market is

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<v Speaker 2>not valuable, like when they're they are making fur garments

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<v Speaker 2>out of coon hides and so, but they don't use

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<v Speaker 2>the tail. They just use the prime parts of the

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<v Speaker 2>hide today and so the tails they sell to make

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<v Speaker 2>kids hats, but they use faux fur. Anyway, there was

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<v Speaker 2>this hat. It had double coontails coming off the side,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like twelve ninety nine. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh dude, if that's twelve ninety nine, the

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<v Speaker 2>single coontail is probably like six ninety nine, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was twelve ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Two. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been a really unique experiment to send

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<v Speaker 1>a kid in there and say pick out which coonskin

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<v Speaker 1>hat want the one with the two tails with the

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<v Speaker 1>one tail. Thank you guys for coming up here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Good looking forward to the next three episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, life changing, It's gonna be good. Gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day we'll sell these hats on the metator

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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Just get some more, Just get some more.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a freezer full of coon hides out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Can he make one a little bigger?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe for you special justiflgainness. All right, guys, this is

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<v Speaker 1>an awesome take care